Here are answers to some questions and remarks I got: - The data is from aoe-elo.com (as stated in the description of the video). Values use to rank players is Elo from there - There is no decay implemented, so I just removed players when they get to 1 year of total 1v1 tournament inactivity. You get some weird things because of that such as Riut still being here after 2019 when he was barely playing tournaments anymore (just barely enough to makes him stay in there.) - In the last 2 minutes of the video event dates in the annotations all say "24 January". Oops. Obviously events happen on other days throughout the year :) was plain and simple editing oversight, my bad. - You might notice a slight discrepancy of a few days between total number of days at #1 in the animation and in the last still of the video. It's because the animation needed some adjustments to make it smoother, but sometimes it means the positions change a couple days before or after they do in the raw data. - available 1v1 tournament data in the early days is scarced! You might find some of the placements curious or imprecise, it boils down to this lack of available tournament records. - Sorry for the spelling/typing mistakes! I'm cringing at myself seeing them all now. thanks for watching the video anyway :)
Competitions of all kinds go through phases of information available and player development. A new meta develops, there's a scramble at the top, then a champion or two settles out once the meta has been fully figured out and whoever is the best player wins. Then someone has a good idea or the game gets changed a bit and everything shakes up again. In games with small and/or inactive (as in, just playing how they know and not trying to figure out new things) playerbases the meta can stagnate where there isn't enough innovation happening quickly enough to knock down the champion. You see this in e-sports, auctions, speed running communities, etc. Chris dominated pretty much until all the Voobly players came over, and while Chris was familiar with more civs, the Voobly meta and mechanical skill were just that much more focused because Hun Wars.
hes basically the argentinian DauT XD which is why i always root for him. he tends to choke a lot in tournaments so i think the pressure gets to him, his ladder games are way better
We need to give more respect to player like nicov that never dropped from the top 15 since he came back in 2017, even if he lacks a brillian tournament performance, he has always been there
I used to play AoE2 in the early years and remember them well, all the names mentioned here 2000-2003. The GoaT then was Koven, no doubt. While others tended to stick to highly efficient strategies and build orders, Koven had a far more creative, yet highly effective approach. Replay data with Koven was rare and it always was worth to publish and discuss his play in the community, if one got hands on those.
Hera is amazing, and there is no doubt that he is the greatest player at the moment. But Daut and The Viper = The biggest goats in AoE2 history, and it's not even close. And now I understand why Tyrant/Secret/GL has been the OG team for as long as I have watched competative AoE2
Its just a matter of time, DauT and Viper dominated AOE for almost an entire decade respectively, Hera has been the best from approximately 3 years so if hera keeps the level he has right now (and surely will) he will gain the title of GOAT too and btw if the rank were made of ELO Hera would be a lot ahead right now.
You can clearly see how DE revived the game. I would love to see this more often with old games. Instead of weird spin-offs just apply some state-of-the-art quality of life changes, some proper balancing patches, and an ingame ranked game system.
This helps to give some perspective to people who overestimate the last year(s). It happens in all sports and to all of us tho. I feel Hera is still not #1 in history but he's getting close!
Not even close, to even appear in the "days in the top 15" list, he needs at least another 5-6 years, according to the numbers of the video, to even appear in the bottom of that list. And that is on the assumption that that list doesn't change for anyone else, which obviously it is, for quite a few of the players in it still, so realistically it is probably gonna be closer to 8-9+ years before he even appears there, let alone getting up near the top, which would be one of the requirements for being "#1 in history" at least.
This is based on major tournament performance, whereas back in Voobly days, there were events played with no prizes or with token ones. It's a nice effort, but there are question marks over how the website awarded elo points.
Aside from all the achievements, I'm grateful to The Viper for what they brought to the game. If game has undergone an evolution, The Viper is its chief revolutionary. All the while he was always funny, entertaining and a helpful gentleman. Hera always try hard, want to win and he is just succesful.
I still remember watching the tyrant wars as a freshman in college. It's probably one of my fondest memories from that time. It was just so entertaining to watch the matches as well as the shenanigans over text chat. Also makes me miss zeroempires and resonance22. And where did kkab ever go?
okay as someone who was not active in the community for the last 2~ years its insane to see Tatoh, ACCM being that high - Hera was great back then, and I assumed with Viper getting older and his injuries that he might be a good rival - but he has completely taken over now... wow
Yeah that was the real competitive Aoe2 scene before Steam and before Microsoft joined the e-sports scene. A lot of pros, like DauT, were on there a long time developing their skills. People mock the Hun wars, but it was an extremely accessible and balanced way to play that made it pure skill.
Viper will always be the one that changed how we see the game. Watching 2015-18 gameplays from him never fail to blow my mind as we never saw that kind of play before. Right now, Hera mastered the game mecanics way better than Viper, but he will never have the same panache as there is less to invent. #clearly
Vipers influence is interesting to see. When he reached top 3 then #1, his elo was much higher than most. It was that way for a long time. Then you see the top 8’s elo skyrocket from, 2k to 2.3/4k all at basically the same time. It took a while, but once they learned how to adapt to Vipers style, their win rate climbed substantially. Compared to when Chris was top 1, for a majority of his time, his elo score was not insanely ahead of everyone else’s . I wonder if viper is interested in adopting new style to keep in the top 5, or if he feels no need to chase top 5 as long as he remains competitive in top 10/15
most people wouldn't have considering it was the super early days of aoe2, "pros" back then would get destroyed by even 1500 players today "if they played the same way that is" it was a totally different game back then
@@blazenightash5781I was 1800 then, over 20 years ago. Got destroyed by the top guys like FletcheR, 13lur, DevilZ clan, Chris etc. Calibrated at 1300 in DE without knowing a build. Just one data point and I did play SC2 in between but people generally underestimate how good the guys back then were. Look at Capoch. He took a 15 year break or something and was a top 20 player within like a month.
@@blazenightash5781 Well of course. If a new strategy game dropped tomorrow first best players wouldn't stand a chance against some that come few years after them. But who is really better gamer: one that excels first in total unknown land or one that copies and learns from their predecessor. It's a philosophical question.
que sera la vida de High,KOVEN, Grunt,Halen,KKAB espero que esten bien , daria un buen dinero por ver almenos una partida mas y contra los que estan actualmente en el GL., 1 min de silencio si te dio nostalgia GG AGUANTE VOOBLY!!!
This list is absurd. You should be between top 5 to 10 according to my calculations. Also I putting the danish player "High" as top in the early years is nonsense.
por favor si amas este hermoso juego 1 min de silencio en honor a las leyendas que siguen en pie y mas por las q se retiraron del AOE (High,KOVEN, Grunt,Halen,KKAB y Chris grandes pioneros junto con RiuT ,capoch, DauT,JorDan y a The viper) y si faltaron muchas gracias , ( 24 años resumidos en 10 min, es hermoso y nostalgico),
oh damn forgot about BlinG thats a blast from the past, i think he even came back to play for a few months in 2020? and did really well on the ladder anyway :)
Imagine, that Hera managed to gain 450 elo in 20 days. when it took them (overall AoE2 players) to get to 2400 from 2000 24 years 🤣. No offense in this, just crazy stuff
This is based on tournament elo. Thus it may not correspond what people thought back in the day are top players. Like today Sebastian is Top4 in this list, do you think he is top4 player? Yes, this method has it's downsides too.
TheMax peak was in 2019 when he did 3-4 in Hidden Cup 2 finals against then dominant world number one TheViper. Sadly TheMax didn't continue his 1v1 tryharding for long after that. He had potential to move his TG brilliance into 1v1 but only pushed for it like year or two..
@@Calgaryman10 both are fair points and kinda my point. This is a nice graphic but I just to say that it is not a perfect reflection of actual ability. E.g. Liereyy is seed 9 in wwc2 but we both know that since he sowed up, he is a top 4 player
Es impresionante lo q juega y ha jugado Daut! Es una verdadera leyenda del AOE2, SORPRENDENTE QUE SIGA SIENDO DE LOS MEJORES EN EL MUNDO DESDE HACE 24 AÑOS! 🎉
You can tell the real competition started with the definitive edition. Before it, more than half of the top 15 were hovering around 2k elo for a long time, but when DE hit you can see all the good players switching places and climbing way over 2000.
@@PatataMaxtex Ok, you're wrong, but even if you weren't, you can clearly see the numbers balance out at the end, it's gotta mean something when the best player isn't 15% higher elo than all the competition.
Daut is the goat, he never got out of the Top 15
I didn't realize he has been there from the beginning. He actually is the GOAT for sure
21 years :O
we have to give capoch credit too as he is generally top 20 still
And Jordan and F1Re.
im pretty new to this game and just watched a DauT game 3 days ago. i freaked out when i saw him climb up there in 2003. insane longevity.
That Viper run at the top is insane
also impressive is DauT with over TWO DECADES in the top 15, over 3 different versions of the game, and hes still here!
@@HappyDragneels_pagehe's the real og mvp
Insane how fast it went!
Here are answers to some questions and remarks I got:
- The data is from aoe-elo.com (as stated in the description of the video). Values use to rank players is Elo from there
- There is no decay implemented, so I just removed players when they get to 1 year of total 1v1 tournament inactivity. You get some weird things because of that such as Riut still being here after 2019 when he was barely playing tournaments anymore (just barely enough to makes him stay in there.)
- In the last 2 minutes of the video event dates in the annotations all say "24 January". Oops. Obviously events happen on other days throughout the year :) was plain and simple editing oversight, my bad.
- You might notice a slight discrepancy of a few days between total number of days at #1 in the animation and in the last still of the video. It's because the animation needed some adjustments to make it smoother, but sometimes it means the positions change a couple days before or after they do in the raw data.
- available 1v1 tournament data in the early days is scarced! You might find some of the placements curious or imprecise, it boils down to this lack of available tournament records.
- Sorry for the spelling/typing mistakes! I'm cringing at myself seeing them all now.
thanks for watching the video anyway :)
Good cooking!
Thanks mate, great watch and ty for all the details!
I basically started watching when T90 exploded some years ago, interesting that DauT is a top player for like 20 years for now
What's amazing to me was how long Chris dominated the game.
He was basicly Viper before there was Viper, thats why Vipers and Jordans playstyle look so similar, they both looked at him and daut.
Competitions of all kinds go through phases of information available and player development. A new meta develops, there's a scramble at the top, then a champion or two settles out once the meta has been fully figured out and whoever is the best player wins. Then someone has a good idea or the game gets changed a bit and everything shakes up again. In games with small and/or inactive (as in, just playing how they know and not trying to figure out new things) playerbases the meta can stagnate where there isn't enough innovation happening quickly enough to knock down the champion. You see this in e-sports, auctions, speed running communities, etc. Chris dominated pretty much until all the Voobly players came over, and while Chris was familiar with more civs, the Voobly meta and mechanical skill were just that much more focused because Hun Wars.
Back in the day they weren't as many tournaments that is why you see little to no movement, in contrast to past years everyone is moving up and down
Didn’t realize Daut castles were over 20 years old
I think he started when he was 14
His castles never age.
Daut is the heart of the game.
Daut is still using the same mouse and keyboard since 2005.
It's so nice to see how many shifts we had in the recent years - AoE2 is doing better than ever!
The Age of Hera is starting
He’s an incredible talent.
Has been there for quite some time now.
@matthieumenard8149 based on the video, it's been Viper's playground until like last year lol.
Viper will always be > Hera
@Nublus if Hera stays on top for another 4 years, then your statement will be very debatable.
Didn't realize Capoch has been on the scene for so long. Damn good player!
hes basically the argentinian DauT XD which is why i always root for him. he tends to choke a lot in tournaments so i think the pressure gets to him, his ladder games are way better
He also went to a WCG in SC2.
Check his history in other games, he was top player in many games, not just aoe2
I would love to see the return of some old legends like Bact, RiuT, Edie, Ruso or even the oldest ones like Koven or Grunt. Excelent video!
Grunt was a long time Aoe3 player, practically dominating it till 2010. He then went on military service, never to be seen again.
Also missing was a certain Mastermind91... Flauta´s time!
Mueva la burra, comente el video. Ojo hijo, ojo.
Its trange what happened with BacT.
He went from quite active to a complete deadstop one day to the next.
Also rip Edie_cz, Clown King
We need to give more respect to player like nicov that never dropped from the top 15 since he came back in 2017, even if he lacks a brillian tournament performance, he has always been there
Viper the GOAT, and RiuT peak was insane, would be great to see him playing now!
Around 2006 Grunt started playing AOE 3 among other pros, also dominated and then completly vanished when he had to go to the military
He might have passed away.
Mysterious Edie disappearance also.
Has anyone heard from him since 2009?
love how the competition for such an old game continues to be at its peak.
I used to play AoE2 in the early years and remember them well, all the names mentioned here 2000-2003. The GoaT then was Koven, no doubt. While others tended to stick to highly efficient strategies and build orders, Koven had a far more creative, yet highly effective approach. Replay data with Koven was rare and it always was worth to publish and discuss his play in the community, if one got hands on those.
IIts the same today, you see alot of bot play, around bild orders
Sweet to hear Creative play were rewarded back by Koven being #1
Great video. Cheers from Nilli's channel
Started watching around 2016 - it's been a fun few years!!
Thank you for making this.
Hera is amazing, and there is no doubt that he is the greatest player at the moment. But Daut and The Viper = The biggest goats in AoE2 history, and it's not even close. And now I understand why Tyrant/Secret/GL has been the OG team for as long as I have watched competative AoE2
Its just a matter of time, DauT and Viper dominated AOE for almost an entire decade respectively, Hera has been the best from approximately 3 years so if hera keeps the level he has right now (and surely will) he will gain the title of GOAT too and btw if the rank were made of ELO Hera would be a lot ahead right now.
Also it's unfair to Chris and Ryut not to mention them in the grand hall of fame.
You can clearly see how DE revived the game. I would love to see this more often with old games. Instead of weird spin-offs just apply some state-of-the-art quality of life changes, some proper balancing patches, and an ingame ranked game system.
I still remember playing on gameranger and voobly long live aoe2
I like how the transition of BGM, it is like go through from the dark age to the current age of competitive AOE2
watching Hera and Yo EXPLODE out of no where is wild.
The Lord is unsurpassed with almost 8000 days in top 15
This helps to give some perspective to people who overestimate the last year(s). It happens in all sports and to all of us tho. I feel Hera is still not #1 in history but he's getting close!
Not even close, to even appear in the "days in the top 15" list, he needs at least another 5-6 years, according to the numbers of the video, to even appear in the bottom of that list. And that is on the assumption that that list doesn't change for anyone else, which obviously it is, for quite a few of the players in it still, so realistically it is probably gonna be closer to 8-9+ years before he even appears there, let alone getting up near the top, which would be one of the requirements for being "#1 in history" at least.
This is based on major tournament performance, whereas back in Voobly days, there were events played with no prizes or with token ones. It's a nice effort, but there are question marks over how the website awarded elo points.
Aside from all the achievements, I'm grateful to The Viper for what they brought to the game. If game has undergone an evolution, The Viper is its chief revolutionary.
All the while he was always funny, entertaining and a helpful gentleman.
Hera always try hard, want to win and he is just succesful.
4:00 look at this 😮 and this 7:31
Wasn't there a sheriff number one in aoe2
Presenting DauT as number 1: *uses the sharpest mugshot in the world*
Presenting Viper as number 1: *uses random picture taken in a rush*
Should used Viper pic from 2013. He looked badazz
I still remember watching the tyrant wars as a freshman in college. It's probably one of my fondest memories from that time. It was just so entertaining to watch the matches as well as the shenanigans over text chat.
Also makes me miss zeroempires and resonance22. And where did kkab ever go?
i played vs and with Jordan, Grunt, Elfanor. Mimmox, Ugnis, Bender, Crouvex, GeeK, Iron, Rip and Storm-Clan... long time ago😅
QUEN ERA BENDER?
@kevinsantiagotorresayala2750 PG_Lance, best DM Player and Legion Clan Bender!
@@christiangebhart6042 gracias bro un honor:)
Without the rise of Hera, theViper would still be No 1. today
I remember playing on the Zone when "The Sherriff" was the man...
Yea mate! Was expecting to see his name on here
I remember him at some point. I was part of AoKB forum and clan then on the zone. My id was Pyrosin... any other aokb members out there?
@@rilewis3 I was in the IFL clan…I played as IFL_Warpig..
Wow Unbelievable Daut #1 for 24 years straight
What a video ! Well done 👏👏👏👏👏
okay as someone who was not active in the community for the last 2~ years
its insane to see Tatoh, ACCM being that high - Hera was great back then, and I assumed with Viper getting older and his injuries that he might be a good rival - but he has completely taken over now... wow
Thanks for making this video.
you guys remember voobly
poor voobly, too focused on aoe2
Yeah that was the real competitive Aoe2 scene before Steam and before Microsoft joined the e-sports scene. A lot of pros, like DauT, were on there a long time developing their skills. People mock the Hun wars, but it was an extremely accessible and balanced way to play that made it pure skill.
@@misteral9045 It was all Huns war and Maya.
Lojza was very underrated. Long run in top10 in not too old history.
Incredible work mate. Where did you pull this data from?
thanks! data is from aoe-elo.com
Wow, it's way closer than I thought!
Incredible video 🙌❤ My respect to CHRIS
Viper will always be the one that changed how we see the game. Watching 2015-18 gameplays from him never fail to blow my mind as we never saw that kind of play before. Right now, Hera mastered the game mecanics way better than Viper, but he will never have the same panache as there is less to invent. #clearly
This game never dies
Vipers influence is interesting to see. When he reached top 3 then #1, his elo was much higher than most. It was that way for a long time. Then you see the top 8’s elo skyrocket from, 2k to 2.3/4k all at basically the same time. It took a while, but once they learned how to adapt to Vipers style, their win rate climbed substantially. Compared to when Chris was top 1, for a majority of his time, his elo score was not insanely ahead of everyone else’s . I wonder if viper is interested in adopting new style to keep in the top 5, or if he feels no need to chase top 5 as long as he remains competitive in top 10/15
I think ppl would say he's still top 2-3 tho. I don't think he's worrying about keeping competitive :)
damn this is so weird I recognize almost all names but I swear I never heard of "High" till now
most people wouldn't have considering it was the super early days of aoe2, "pros" back then would get destroyed by even 1500 players today "if they played the same way that is" it was a totally different game back then
Pretty sure he was from DevilZ clan
@@blazenightash5781I was 1800 then, over 20 years ago. Got destroyed by the top guys like FletcheR, 13lur, DevilZ clan, Chris etc. Calibrated at 1300 in DE without knowing a build. Just one data point and I did play SC2 in between but people generally underestimate how good the guys back then were. Look at Capoch. He took a 15 year break or something and was a top 20 player within like a month.
@@blazenightash5781 Well of course. If a new strategy game dropped tomorrow first best players wouldn't stand a chance against some that come few years after them. But who is really better gamer: one that excels first in total unknown land or one that copies and learns from their predecessor. It's a philosophical question.
Not sure how the ELO is estimated for those early days
Just wild that daut won a huge tournament 11 years later
que sera la vida de High,KOVEN, Grunt,Halen,KKAB espero que esten bien , daria un buen dinero por ver almenos una partida mas y contra los que estan actualmente en el GL., 1 min de silencio si te dio nostalgia GG AGUANTE VOOBLY!!!
que grande el nicky, leyenda total
El nicky guy, el nicky
Chris! Wow! I always heard about Grunt and Daut and Koven (?).
The Viper was number 1 for 8 of the 24 years. GOAT
Respect to Daut man
mad respect to daut and chris for being in top 15 for over 10 years, same with viper now i guess
Didn't know Capoch been there that long
And now hera hit the 3000 Elo !! insane !
so having Hera hit 3k now, and a lot of people behind him. That's quite the explosion of elo the last few months??
thats ingame ranked ladder elo this list is based of tournament elo.
I was rank 1 teamgame Empire wars for over 1 year and I am not on the list??
This list is absurd. You should be between top 5 to 10 according to my calculations. Also I putting the danish player "High" as top in the early years is nonsense.
I feel like Empire wars is not yet accepted within the community. Even though we are clearly better skilled than for example Hera or Viper
Agreed. Hera even called you out lately as the best pocket player he has ever played with.
Sebastian2002 próximamente top1
What happened to Chris
He's semi around still. Played recently for team Canada but it like their 3rd best player these days.
Cmon. He he played this game like 25 years ago. Let a man do something else in his life :D
Sebastián representando 🇺🇾
Daut… Legend ❤
Seems decent for considering top 10.
Ngl I watched this to see how fast that Hera bar grew to cover the whole screen
How many memories and names!
3:54 LONG LIVE THE KING!
2010's will always be dubbed the "Age of TheViper"
Who is Iamjordan in beginning?
I guess he is Jordan
OG Jordan (not the 23 one)
amazing, amigos!!!
ACCM world number one most forgotten recent AOE2 history 😂
Hera 3K now.
por favor si amas este hermoso juego 1 min de silencio en honor a las leyendas que siguen en pie y mas por las q se retiraron del AOE (High,KOVEN, Grunt,Halen,KKAB y Chris grandes pioneros junto con RiuT ,capoch, DauT,JorDan y a The viper) y si faltaron muchas gracias , ( 24 años resumidos en 10 min, es hermoso y nostalgico),
Riut ❤❤
oh damn forgot about BlinG thats a blast from the past, i think he even came back to play for a few months in 2020? and did really well on the ladder anyway :)
Also didnt realise how close to the top Villese was for so long
What were the dark ages of aoe2?
2009-11
Is TheViper goat of Aoe2?
is this for normal elo in 1v1s ?
nah, this is for the tournament elo top 15 isnt it ?
Arch_Koven first one
Sometimes i forget dauts is 40 xd and others pros are around or over 30 as well xd
I thought he were 50.
What is this number？
King Hera
Why am I not on the list?
Imagine, that Hera managed to gain 450 elo in 20 days. when it took them (overall AoE2 players) to get to 2400 from 2000 24 years 🤣. No offense in this, just crazy stuff
Hera gained 450 pts in ranked ELO, this is tournament ELO (It is much more difficult to climb). For example: Hera is 2k5 in tournament ELO.
@ oh, didn’t know that. Where can you see tournament elo?
viper goat por siempre
Hera just reached 3000 ELO but at the end of the video he is at 2543.
What source and numbers did you use for the video?
this is tournament elo not ranked ladder
VIPER is old
nah you're missing people. TheMax was top 8 for a while
True, Max was great! But he was best in team games with his Suomis!
@@hendrik6084 i miss old rubenstock ngl. 2018 world cup 2v2
This is based on tournament elo. Thus it may not correspond what people thought back in the day are top players. Like today Sebastian is Top4 in this list, do you think he is top4 player? Yes, this method has it's downsides too.
TheMax peak was in 2019 when he did 3-4 in Hidden Cup 2 finals against then dominant world number one TheViper. Sadly TheMax didn't continue his 1v1 tryharding for long after that. He had potential to move his TG brilliance into 1v1 but only pushed for it like year or two..
@@Calgaryman10 both are fair points and kinda my point. This is a nice graphic but I just to say that it is not a perfect reflection of actual ability. E.g. Liereyy is seed 9 in wwc2 but we both know that since he sowed up, he is a top 4 player
Impresionante el despegue del bueno del Sebas en este año, esperemos que siga cosechando triunfos como hasta ahora
Todo un grande ese muchacho
Es impresionante lo q juega y ha jugado Daut!
Es una verdadera leyenda del AOE2, SORPRENDENTE QUE SIGA SIENDO DE LOS MEJORES EN EL MUNDO DESDE HACE 24 AÑOS! 🎉
wait this doesn't make sense, is this ELO rating? Here is currently 3k ELO but chart shows him stopping at 2,500
must be tournament elo
Top 1 my
HERA atualmente está 3k 11
You can tell the real competition started with the definitive edition. Before it, more than half of the top 15 were hovering around 2k elo for a long time, but when DE hit you can see all the good players switching places and climbing way over 2000.
Elo is never a measurement of absolute skill and you cant compare elos from different points in time
@@PatataMaxtex
Ok, you're wrong, but even if you weren't, you can clearly see the numbers balance out at the end, it's gotta mean something when the best player isn't 15% higher elo than all the competition.
@@Gatitasecsii You are the one who is completely wrong.
More games mean more elo for elite players
No that's when the player base shot up again (and surpassed the original MSN Zone player base even). More players, more tournaments, more points.
PORFAVOR ALGUIEN QUE CUENTE DE LA HISTORIA SOBRE High quein era el jaja lol literal fue como que el primer elite! ajjajaa
The only thing that surprised me in good video is idk who RiuT is.
He's a god gamer man. Doesn't play anymore I heard.
RiuT is a top 5 player of all time probably.
RiuT is mainstream wdym.
I hadn't heard of alot of hte others tho lol
Hera elo 3k !!!
bonito pero no concuerdo con los datos, si es el elo se paso el 2.5k hace como 2 años y solo se muestra a hera y algun otro superarlo
Hera is 2k9/3k is this legit?
It is only tourney data and ELO, not ranked.
Its astonishing how fcked up i have to be to watch to with vivid interest, thx mate it was very informative but remided me how old im actually am:-)