I've been wanting to see this. But I don't actually think it'll be too hard for the ones that have already finished it. They seem to have mastered it all, and dd1 is easier so it would just be a longer dd2
Wirtual: "It doesn't matter how many resets I take if it's not author medal." Wirtual a few minutes later: "I'm not gonna reset because I want to preserve gold medal"
3:00 it makes a lot of sense, think about it: you ride backwards off of the first pizza slice and then rotate from backwards to normal position on the second one.
Scrapie couldn't understand that simple part either. It seems to me that a lot of pro players don't often play royal s**t and try to be as fast as possible, which makes them slower.
i think he means its to hard to get an author medal. if they make the map really hard but you need a perfect run to get author medal you can argue the map is to hard. if they make campaign maps where noone can get an author medal unless you are are like in the top .0001 % then the map is to hard
@@maartendetemmerman393 It felt to me mostly like the critique was towards the type of difficulty (frustrating, rng, blind, buggy, etc). Though the more consistent pet peeve he's had has indeed been about unrealistic AMs, I guess.
@@ChiefFalque well rng will definitely make it harder to get to the author medal if you need a perfect run to do it and it has rng then its no longer skill based but just luck based. so that will frustrate skilled players
Tbf, I think the complaint is more directed at having your entire run dictated by a single excessively difficult trick Like you're not playing the map, you're playing that one single part of the map and everything else only exists to lead up to or follow it
Ooooh, this is fascinating. This means that the deep dip competition can have checkpoints, because it can be a 0 respawn challenge, while still letting people freely practice specific sections in-map.
This is what I was saying on his other video where he called this mode trash. You can make Deep Dip 3 EVEN harder than anything else that has ever come before it and it won’t be as bad if you use this mode. People will be able to finish the map a lot faster with respawns so it will prevent burnout like how Wirtual quit until they released the practice maps, but the king will be whoever does it without a single respawn first. To me, it’s kinda the best of both worlds. The goal is still to finish it without respawns, but you can at least practice what you failed without needing to make practice maps or anything.
That would be the same as just releasing the floors. I am not against that, but that is against the spirit of the event. You see it is a completely different event when you can practice the floors. Wirtual was not really able to compete for the win, but holds the WR now (which is an amazing feat).
This would be a completely different challenge and imo a very bad change. What made DD2 interesting and had me coming back to watch streams day after day was seeing people reaching new heights and seeing new sections for the first time. I know I wasn't the only one because the streamer highest on the tower always had their viewer numbers shoot through the roof, especially when someone was first to reach a new floor. It kept the excitement up for the entire month. If you make a platform map with checkpoints the best players will finish the map day 1 and after that you've already seen it all. From that point on there's nothing new to be seen. There would constantly be players all over the tower and there's no way to tell who is on a good run or who is not by looking at their current height.
@@hctazbut the gamemode needs a leaderboard to facilitate such an event properly. Sure people will make plugins but official support like that would be huge
of course they liked deep dip, sales for trackmania went WAY up during/after both Deep Dip sagas - it got a lot of non-trackmania players looking at the game. I know if I was Nadeo I'd be trying to foster it, it's just smart to capitalize on opportunities in life and in business
@@Uindus Yes, he realised this after he passed it by reversing out of the second one. He just never had the chance to go back and do it because he finished it that run.
Watching Scrapie and others constantly complain that this mode was "pointless" since it didn't have any real leaderboard potential annoyed me to no end. Was Deep Dip about your time? No, it was a race to the end with ultra difficulty. They're trying to ease a new player into that same feeling, progressing through the maps to try and one shot them. It's not a mode about leaderboards or competition, it's trying to give new/lower skill players that same deep dip feeling. And I think it really succeeds. It annoys me that all the streamers who are the player's voice in this game only want competitive modes etc. Can we just get some fun modes like this? I'm never going to top leaderboards nor will 99% of players, so I don't care as much about that aspect of the game.
Trackmania mostly is the endless battle against timer, speedrunning game, which requires playing the track over and over to improve. Popular streamers play in this competitive mindset for years, what would you expect from them with new gamemode?
the point is that there's no replayability, you get the author medal and that's it. that doesn't mean it needs to be "competitive" or have a "leaderboard" or "take away from new players" or anything, just that there should be something to improve even after doing all they intended.
@@petrikhorr so what? So many people already don't replay the campaign maps after they got whatever medal they wanted on each map. And how many people replay trial maps again and again after they finished them once or had one clean run)? That replayability is for the 0.001% of the players that hunt for WRs.
this is so obviously Nadeo looking at the huge groundswell of support Deep Dip caused and saying "we need to make this into a game mode NOW." Its just a means for them to feed you increasingly hard platforming content. Honestly genius.
@@Saol.Alainn You know you DON'T have to always try and sound like the smartest person in the room? Try and comprehend instead of immediately calculating what to say to make it seem like you "won" the conversation.
Regarding the text-to-speech being on by default: This is actually the proper way. People with a vision impairment will have significantly more trouble finding the option to turn it on than people with good vision have trouble finding the option to turn it off. So while to us this is a minor inconvenience at best, to them this might make the entire game unplayable. On that note, the perfect way is how minecraft does it. The first time you boot up the game you will be met with a screen that has all the accessibility settings and the cursor is on the "disable narrator" button to toggle the default text-to-speech of
actually minecraft's is better, the cursor defaults to the *enable* text-to-speech option, but the voice is forced saying "press enter to enable narrator", so if you just hit next it'll be off
I think they designed these maps to help those who want to get good at the game to have something to practice on. It being official gives a lot of motivation.
I think this mode doesn't need a timer. However, I think it would be great to see a graph/histogram when finishing that shows how many respawns other players had, and where you are. For example as the Zachtronic games do. Then you could see that you are in the top 2% out of 10000 finishers, with 3 respawns, for example.
as a geometry dash player I really like this concept! Finishing a hard map in one full run without respawns or checkpoints is what defines geometry dash. people will spent ten thousends of attempts to get runs like 0-33%, 33-67% and 67-100% just to then beat it eventually after intensly practising each part and doing longer and longer runs until the beat it 0-100% I would love to see a niche of trackmania be the same The current hardest geometry dash level beaten by humans has 200 frame perfects scattered around 3 minutes of stupidly hard gameplay without any pauses Trackmania could convert that to speed checks and extremly precice jumps without any sections where you could pause.
@Saol.Alainn well deep dip 1 and 2 are like those XXL extremes, shinigami, void wave, eon I'm thinking 2 minute maps that dont have a singular easy jump or input :D
For the record the reason that Narrators should be on by default is that if you need it there's no way to find it without it. I prefer minecraft's that makes it super easy to choose as the very first thing on boot though.
Was going to write this comment myself. Glad someone beat me to it. Make it the default, make it easy to disable. It's crazy the number of games that have TTS capabilities but that people with vision disabilities can't even play because it's not the default 😠
OMFG, that's what these tracks are for! Sure, they're easy to the point of bewilderment for the man who fucking WR'd Deep Dip 2. But keep in mind how many other people never even finished. _These maps are teaching a whole new generation of players how to play Deep Dip maps!!_ Nadeo was insanely brilliant enough to recognize, 'This is where the game is going. It's not a direction we chose, but it's one they clearly love, so let's encourage them to build more maps like that and teach new players how to get into seeing Trackmania as being made for that kind of play.' Genius! EDIT: I commented this before he got to Meep Mip. LET'S GOOOO.
I think the best way to solve platform dilemma for experienced players is to simply make a new gamemode called "platform race", where you have a separate leaderboard for each number of respawns (or just sort the leaderboard by respawns first and time second, that also works)
Honestly I think those guys should stop complaining abuot something tha doesn't matter. Even for people who eat and breath this game, it takes HOURS to get ONE author medal. For the avarage player, it'll be a monumental challenge. Getting the medals is already a crazy accomplishment by itself. Adding time to platform will totally change the dynamic, it'll not be about getting over the platforming challenges, but it will be about going fast at it. It'll only put pressure on the avarage player with little to no gain to the experience. The mode is about platforming, if you get over the platforms then you did it, that's it.
Nadeo saw all the hype around Deep Dip and Deep Dip 2 and decided to make bite-sized Deep Dips, but for casual players... And they possibly trained their map builders on Deep Dip tricks, or even simply asked Deep Dip floor builders to participate.
I watched Lars play through these before watching wirtual and I got to say I’m thoroughly impressed by Wirtual’s quick judgement, learning, and car control. Obviously I know if his skill watching him over the years but still, impressed.
They likely just want to give tools to facilitate that kind of thing being more accessible so that it actually converts hyped viewers into players at a more manageable skill level
24:49 that jump Wirt thought was sick is the one that had me quit the platform campaign (for now) I was probably over 200 respawns in and I made it up there one time and slid right off. I didn't consider landing sideways cause I barely had enough speed as it was
Really neat to watch! One note about the editing, I would have liked to see the successful runs unedited from start to finish even if we'd seen parts of the runs a bunch. GGs!
1:00 "I'm basing this on the expectation that it will be difficult" was also exactly why no-one in my class could answer our music teacher's question "What string instrument starts with 'vio' and ends with 'lin'?"; it was maybe the second week or so in secondary school (or whatever that's called in English, it was 5th grade on a German Gymnasium, so the first year after elementary school).
I think in America, they have two types after elementary school. Middleschool (something like Hauptschule), and Junior High (I guess thats comparable to a Gym). But I'm not sure, I'm Austrian 🤷😅
@@thehemperor3967 In the U.S. it's not that consistent, because population density varies so much and because schools are run at a local level (and to some extent a state level). But, yes, the most common model is two levels after elementary school. Typically, kindergarten and 1st through 5th grades (ages 5-11, roughly) are in "elementary school", and then 6th through 8th grades are in "middle school", and 9th through 12th grades are in "high school". That's almost always what's going on in U.S. media, but real life can be different. Where I grew up, there weren't enough kids within reasonable driving distance of the schools to have that many different schools, so we had kindergarten through 7th grade in elementary school, and 8th through 12th in high school. And I'm sure there are places with very few people where everyone's just in one school. Some places separate high school into "junior high school", which is typically 7th grade through 9th grade, and "high school" (sometimes called "senior high school", I think?), which is 10th through 12th grade. These places may also have middle school for 5th and 6th grades, or may cover all of kindergarten through 6th grade with elementary school. We also sometimes refer to things as "primary school" (which means the same as "elementary school"), and "secondary school" which means everything after elementary school, but those words aren't used as often and mostly only when we're referring to categories of schools rather than a specific school. We do also have the word "gymnasium", but we use it to refer specifically to the large athletic room that is part of a school and typically has stadium seats along the sides and a wood floor for playing basketball and similar sports, rather than to a type of school.
I love the jump at 11:35 (and many other times), where it feels not quite so smooth as trackmania normally is but still flows nicely and works consistently. Just feels like that roughness gives it an extra bit of character.
omg the person commenting "how do i get the voice girl off my game" that was literally my reaction like an hour ago when I booted up trackmania for the first time in years. It's the option under sound settings called "text to speech" btw. It was like a steering wheel in my pants, it was driving me nuts. Also, kind of disappointed that I couldn't try these tracks without paying :(
It would be interesting if players or even Nadeo build maps that are physically not possible with 0 respawns (not even with TAS) with the use of standstill respawns and/or ring checkpoints. You could do pathfinding maps and other stuff in general. I had this vision since i saw the first set of Maps.
A standard leaderboard wouldn't be particularly useful, but a histogram might be a good alternative. It depends on whether a significant percentage of players actually get a 0 respawn run or not. Histogram and percentile ranking seems the best way to score this mode.
2:57 it's not that strange; they specifically put two there so you could drive onto the first one normally, drive off backwards, drive onto the second one backwards, then drive off normally
Holy crap, seeing the clock casually jump over an hour *more than once* as this poor man just beats his head against a wall with these challenges is heartbreaking.
I do not have any concerns about the overall difficulty of the maps. Sure, this is the hardest tracks that Nadeo ever put out, but that's not the point. My main concern is that the maps include some advanced mechanics, that a casual player may or may not know. Bugslides, speed slides, backwards tech, turtle, ice tech, gear knowledge. This is a difference of a casual player takes 100 attempts but sees small improvements every time, making him want to play more and a casual player takes 250 attempts to slam himself into a knowledge check. So he thinks it's literally impossible and drops the map. Sure, Nadeo put out hard Platform maps before, every TM veteran probably shutters by the mention of Vertigo (atleast I do). However this is just plain absurd. You either know it and beat it, or you don't and can go throw yourself in the trash.
i feel like they should add leaderboards, and increase the difficulty even more. like ridiculously high but author medals are like 50 respawns orso instead of a 'perfect' run
There should be several counters, there should be a run timer, there should be sum of all runs timer [until medal], respawn counter exists, there should also be a total runs counter [until medal] then you have all levels of challenge, and a super prestigious 1 run with zero respawns in fastest time, and only ever get one chance at that.
I think the point of these maps is exactly to replicate deep dip goals. First time deep dip completions aren’t about time, but about just getting there. Except deep dip is an extreme version as resets aren’t an option. So these maps are a great friendly approach to the same niche
Watched you video while folding laundry. I left right near the end to put it away and came back 20 mins into a 23 min "AD" that played at the end of your vid. Your welcome lol
if they had time leaderboards with grouping by number of respawns people could hunt for checkpoint-abuse re-routs that aren't necessarily shorter than thee overall record but ARE the shortest way to finish while resetting x times. just a thought
5:21 Can they make Deep Dip 2 into a platform map with a checkpoint after every floor? I think that would be nice because it would give more players the chance to play through DD2 "as a whole" and still keep it competitive, since then the goal is to have as few respawns as possible.
@@adnanassaf350 Yes, I think the point is just that the deep dip 2 "cp every floor" map should be a platform map rather than a timed map. (I don't think Felipax was aware that that map already existed; I wasn't.)
I had two thoughts when watching you do these maps. The next “vehicle” they should add should be a skateboard, and a skateboard/parkour styled map would be pretty rad.
I guess just unlocking a timer when you reach author for bragging rights could work. Gold would be the goal for normal people, author for the pros and WR for the people that live through Trackmania
For this game mode, if you want to have none 0 author time - you would need to add a trigger to make view go black after certain time - this way there would be no time for proper setup - you would have to send it. The problem with this would be that worse players would not be able to go below certain threshold unless it would be possible to trigger different times till darkness, but in this concept to not allow cheating - trigger would also need to add respawns. Ie. author - 1min + 0 respawns, author record 2 respawn, gold - 1:20 +2respawns, gold medal 5 respawns etc. possible?
I think this gamemode is Nadeo trying to capitalize on the popularity of the Deep Dip event by both having more content in this style out there as well as making the genre more accessible for less hardcore players (new players might want to try these maps while they probably wouldn't even touch Deep Dip even if they watched it being played). Which would not be a bad strategy from them in any way, I think.
It would be cool to have a multiplayer tournament where everyone has a set of maps and a set amount of time to get their total number of respawns as low as possible.
This mode kind of reminds me of the motorbike game “Trials” where leaderboards put you higher with fewer respawns. But in that game ties for respawns are done with time taken. I just don’t get why they don’t look at time in this game mode.
It reminds me of older FFXIV player calling attacks centered on the boss or enemy “chariots”. All that means, in FFXIV terms, is that Nael deus Darnus is so burned in their head even the easier earlier things like “chariots” and “dynamos” are standard terminology.
i think the best thing to do would be to give medals by respawns, and also have a timer for leaderboards but in a way that everyone with 0 respawns is higher ranked than a faster 1 respawn run. honestly i think the game mode is pretty good for the average deep dip viewer like me
13:50 I don't think it's their first time publishing something really difficult. Have you ever tried TM United Platform E1? Maybe I just don't personally understand the difference in difficulty here, but I'd be interested to see Wirtual try that.
Okay, after seeing him finish that map I think I can agree it is much harder than Platform E1. The old platform levels were hard jumps but standard driving style. This is wacky kacky type of hard. Not quite kacky level but there are bugslides and flips and so on.
What I kinda dislike about this vid is how Wirt is constantly complaining just because they're Nando maps. If these were community maps built by regular mappers, I doubt he'd complain. Just kinda frustrating imo
For it to be a true achievement they should track how many attempts you’ve made. That way you completing with zero respawns at two attempts would be the real Author medals. Then leaderboards could be the best 0 respawn at a certain number of attempts with tie breakers being the total of all attempts’ respawns added together. Then the final tie breaker being time.
There are times where the music is way too loud. Instead of the music being the background noise, it feels like Wirtual himself is the background noise.
Can't wait for his expression when they just add Deep Dip 2 stacked atop Deep Dip 1 as the final map.
I've been wanting to see this. But I don't actually think it'll be too hard for the ones that have already finished it. They seem to have mastered it all, and dd1 is easier so it would just be a longer dd2
And call it Zeep Zip
ddeeeepp ddiipp 21
At Hhgregg’s Gaming Event you can play Ddepeep Diipiip 2.5!
Then they gonna add a DLC that just puts meep mip on top
"Do I just have trauma from deep dip?"
Nadeo: "anyway here's meep mip"
Wirtual: "It doesn't matter how many resets I take if it's not author medal."
Wirtual a few minutes later: "I'm not gonna reset because I want to preserve gold medal"
literally on the same map too 😂
and he doesn't even get it lol
3:00 it makes a lot of sense, think about it: you ride backwards off of the first pizza slice and then rotate from backwards to normal position on the second one.
That's what i did lol
Scrapie couldn't understand that simple part either.
It seems to me that a lot of pro players don't often play royal s**t and try to be as fast as possible, which makes them slower.
@bmxrichard21 tru tru i just hunt odd maps lol
Yeah, as soon as he did it for the second half it was obvious to me, as a non-player.
Wirtual: Maps are too easy, what's the point of this gamemode?
Also Wirtual: Maps are too hard, what's the point of making it so hard?
I think he means the maps are hard because either an rng trick or just badly made tricks, but it was funny seeing him so tilted at the end
i think he means its to hard to get an author medal.
if they make the map really hard but you need a perfect run to get author medal you can argue the map is to hard. if they make campaign maps where noone can get an author medal unless you are are like in the top .0001 % then the map is to hard
@@maartendetemmerman393 It felt to me mostly like the critique was towards the type of difficulty (frustrating, rng, blind, buggy, etc). Though the more consistent pet peeve he's had has indeed been about unrealistic AMs, I guess.
@@ChiefFalque well rng will definitely make it harder to get to the author medal
if you need a perfect run to do it and it has rng then its no longer skill based but just luck based. so that will frustrate skilled players
Tbf, I think the complaint is more directed at having your entire run dictated by a single excessively difficult trick
Like you're not playing the map, you're playing that one single part of the map and everything else only exists to lead up to or follow it
Ooooh, this is fascinating. This means that the deep dip competition can have checkpoints, because it can be a 0 respawn challenge, while still letting people freely practice specific sections in-map.
This is what I was saying on his other video where he called this mode trash.
You can make Deep Dip 3 EVEN harder than anything else that has ever come before it and it won’t be as bad if you use this mode.
People will be able to finish the map a lot faster with respawns so it will prevent burnout like how Wirtual quit until they released the practice maps, but the king will be whoever does it without a single respawn first.
To me, it’s kinda the best of both worlds. The goal is still to finish it without respawns, but you can at least practice what you failed without needing to make practice maps or anything.
That would be the same as just releasing the floors. I am not against that, but that is against the spirit of the event.
You see it is a completely different event when you can practice the floors. Wirtual was not really able to compete for the win, but holds the WR now (which is an amazing feat).
This would be a completely different challenge and imo a very bad change. What made DD2 interesting and had me coming back to watch streams day after day was seeing people reaching new heights and seeing new sections for the first time. I know I wasn't the only one because the streamer highest on the tower always had their viewer numbers shoot through the roof, especially when someone was first to reach a new floor. It kept the excitement up for the entire month.
If you make a platform map with checkpoints the best players will finish the map day 1 and after that you've already seen it all. From that point on there's nothing new to be seen. There would constantly be players all over the tower and there's no way to tell who is on a good run or who is not by looking at their current height.
@@hctazbut the gamemode needs a leaderboard to facilitate such an event properly. Sure people will make plugins but official support like that would be huge
I'd say use this mode for the practice map, and maybe shallow dip, but the main mode should not have checkpoints, it'll kill it for the event
Platform is basically Nadeo's way of telling their players that they liked Deep Dip, and Meep Mip is the pinnacle of that.
of course they liked deep dip, sales for trackmania went WAY up during/after both Deep Dip sagas - it got a lot of non-trackmania players looking at the game.
I know if I was Nadeo I'd be trying to foster it, it's just smart to capitalize on opportunities in life and in business
Wirt struggling to understand the moving platforms on the first level with this many years of experience under his belt just cracks me up lol
I was like, just reverse!!!! Expecting him to hear me through the screen...
He realised it on the same run he got 0 respawns, which was his second run.
@sorrynotsorry8224 you are supposed to reverse in the middle, so that way you exit forward, which is what he was complaining about.
Doesn't even have to do with experience, it's just basic common sense lmao
@@Uindus Yes, he realised this after he passed it by reversing out of the second one. He just never had the chance to go back and do it because he finished it that run.
Watching Scrapie and others constantly complain that this mode was "pointless" since it didn't have any real leaderboard potential annoyed me to no end.
Was Deep Dip about your time? No, it was a race to the end with ultra difficulty. They're trying to ease a new player into that same feeling, progressing through the maps to try and one shot them. It's not a mode about leaderboards or competition, it's trying to give new/lower skill players that same deep dip feeling. And I think it really succeeds.
It annoys me that all the streamers who are the player's voice in this game only want competitive modes etc. Can we just get some fun modes like this? I'm never going to top leaderboards nor will 99% of players, so I don't care as much about that aspect of the game.
Trackmania mostly is the endless battle against timer, speedrunning game, which requires playing the track over and over to improve. Popular streamers play in this competitive mindset for years, what would you expect from them with new gamemode?
fr i was getting really annoyed listening to wirtual complain this video.
the point is that there's no replayability, you get the author medal and that's it. that doesn't mean it needs to be "competitive" or have a "leaderboard" or "take away from new players" or anything, just that there should be something to improve even after doing all they intended.
@@petrikhorr so what? So many people already don't replay the campaign maps after they got whatever medal they wanted on each map. And how many people replay trial maps again and again after they finished them once or had one clean run)? That replayability is for the 0.001% of the players that hunt for WRs.
It's a perfectly reasonable take from people who gain popularity by winning in racing games
this is so obviously Nadeo looking at the huge groundswell of support Deep Dip caused and saying "we need to make this into a game mode NOW." Its just a means for them to feed you increasingly hard platforming content. Honestly genius.
Yeah. This is basically official support for trial maps as a game mode.
I think it's super cool of them. Especially for them to put out actual hard maps? Crazy cool.
Platform has been around far longer than Deep Dip 😊
It's like they said "Ships have crashed way before the Titanic 😊" in response to a history lesson about the disaster.
@@Saol.Alainn You know you DON'T have to always try and sound like the smartest person in the room? Try and comprehend instead of immediately calculating what to say to make it seem like you "won" the conversation.
Regarding the text-to-speech being on by default: This is actually the proper way. People with a vision impairment will have significantly more trouble finding the option to turn it on than people with good vision have trouble finding the option to turn it off. So while to us this is a minor inconvenience at best, to them this might make the entire game unplayable.
On that note, the perfect way is how minecraft does it. The first time you boot up the game you will be met with a screen that has all the accessibility settings and the cursor is on the "disable narrator" button to toggle the default text-to-speech of
actually minecraft's is better, the cursor defaults to the *enable* text-to-speech option, but the voice is forced saying "press enter to enable narrator", so if you just hit next it'll be off
How exactly is a racing game gonna be playable for a person who has a vision impairment strong enough to not even see the menu items?
@@Kiwi2703 the road and car are way bigger than the letters of the options screen. it is playable with vision impairment.
yeah mate but it's a racing game you think a lot of people with bad vision will opt to play it?
@@q2yogurt people who need reading glasses can still play video games :)
I think they designed these maps to help those who want to get good at the game to have something to practice on. It being official gives a lot of motivation.
It feels like it's for people (like me) who are way too bad to play Deep Dip. So we have something to do too. I love it.
Last 10 maps are death though, I mean I have 500 hours on this game and was happy to even finish 3 of them😂
@@lordfolter9709 exactly
@@adnanassaf350 I only got 160 hours lol I don't think I could beat the maps from week 3
Wirtual: "I guessed the correct angle this time."
Chat: "Was it 34%"
LMAOOOOOOOOO
I think this mode doesn't need a timer. However, I think it would be great to see a graph/histogram when finishing that shows how many respawns other players had, and where you are. For example as the Zachtronic games do. Then you could see that you are in the top 2% out of 10000 finishers, with 3 respawns, for example.
This is actually a great idea
It would be cool too if it showed where on the map people respawned the most and where all of your respawns were on the map
"I did not think it would take 4 hours to beat 5 maps"
me: 4 hours to get AT on hypothermic (best map yet imo)
as a geometry dash player I really like this concept! Finishing a hard map in one full run without respawns or checkpoints is what defines geometry dash. people will spent ten thousends of attempts to get runs like 0-33%, 33-67% and 67-100% just to then beat it eventually after intensly practising each part and doing longer and longer runs until the beat it 0-100%
I would love to see a niche of trackmania be the same
The current hardest geometry dash level beaten by humans has 200 frame perfects scattered around 3 minutes of stupidly hard gameplay without any pauses
Trackmania could convert that to speed checks and extremly precice jumps without any sections where you could pause.
You really just described Deep Dip, check it out if you haven't seen it 😊
@Saol.Alainn well deep dip 1 and 2 are like those XXL extremes, shinigami, void wave, eon
I'm thinking 2 minute maps that dont have a singular easy jump or input :D
For the record the reason that Narrators should be on by default is that if you need it there's no way to find it without it. I prefer minecraft's that makes it super easy to choose as the very first thing on boot though.
Was going to write this comment myself. Glad someone beat me to it.
Make it the default, make it easy to disable.
It's crazy the number of games that have TTS capabilities but that people with vision disabilities can't even play because it's not the default 😠
It's wild to me that there isn't a standard yet so I can put my PC into visual impaired mode and games can read that information and act accordingly
OMFG, that's what these tracks are for! Sure, they're easy to the point of bewilderment for the man who fucking WR'd Deep Dip 2. But keep in mind how many other people never even finished. _These maps are teaching a whole new generation of players how to play Deep Dip maps!!_
Nadeo was insanely brilliant enough to recognize, 'This is where the game is going. It's not a direction we chose, but it's one they clearly love, so let's encourage them to build more maps like that and teach new players how to get into seeing Trackmania as being made for that kind of play.' Genius!
EDIT: I commented this before he got to Meep Mip. LET'S GOOOO.
I think the best way to solve platform dilemma for experienced players is to simply make a new gamemode called "platform race", where you have a separate leaderboard for each number of respawns (or just sort the leaderboard by respawns first and time second, that also works)
Honestly I think those guys should stop complaining abuot something tha doesn't matter.
Even for people who eat and breath this game, it takes HOURS to get ONE author medal. For the avarage player, it'll be a monumental challenge.
Getting the medals is already a crazy accomplishment by itself. Adding time to platform will totally change the dynamic, it'll not be about getting over the platforming challenges, but it will be about going fast at it. It'll only put pressure on the avarage player with little to no gain to the experience.
The mode is about platforming, if you get over the platforms then you did it, that's it.
I think your time should be recorded on a leaderboard but only if you get 0 respawns
Nadeo saw all the hype around Deep Dip and Deep Dip 2 and decided to make bite-sized Deep Dips, but for casual players...
And they possibly trained their map builders on Deep Dip tricks, or even simply asked Deep Dip floor builders to participate.
I watched Lars play through these before watching wirtual and I got to say I’m thoroughly impressed by Wirtual’s quick judgement, learning, and car control. Obviously I know if his skill watching him over the years but still, impressed.
MAYBE nadeo plans on building a DEEP DIP map themselves.... because it was an amazing success, player and views wise.
They have MEEP MIP, their next map will be WEEP (WIP) and it shall never come out of the WIP status.
They likely just want to give tools to facilitate that kind of thing being more accessible so that it actually converts hyped viewers into players at a more manageable skill level
This is such an incredible way for the Developers to honor the Community, after the Deep Dip 2 competition!
That ice map needs cruise control
The ice map needs a mayo slide
I love this "new gamemode is trash" to "new gamemode is great" through "they fixed the new gamemode" story arc
24:49 that jump Wirt thought was sick is the one that had me quit the platform campaign (for now)
I was probably over 200 respawns in and I made it up there one time and slid right off. I didn't consider landing sideways cause I barely had enough speed as it was
Also the turtle map, with standing respawn I was never able to get enough speed to make it to the first checkpoint. Bonkers.
Really neat to watch! One note about the editing, I would have liked to see the successful runs unedited from start to finish even if we'd seen parts of the runs a bunch.
GGs!
This gamemode is basically Nadeo trying to emulate the hype around deep dip
This gamemode is 13 years older than deep dip is. It just took them a while to add it to the new game, after adding Stunts earlier.
@@Zooz. And near perfect timing too, considering DD. Nadeo already had a old gamemode, and it's coincidence that it matches perfectly well.
1:00 "I'm basing this on the expectation that it will be difficult" was also exactly why no-one in my class could answer our music teacher's question "What string instrument starts with 'vio' and ends with 'lin'?"; it was maybe the second week or so in secondary school (or whatever that's called in English, it was 5th grade on a German Gymnasium, so the first year after elementary school).
I think in America, they have two types after elementary school. Middleschool (something like Hauptschule), and Junior High (I guess thats comparable to a Gym). But I'm not sure, I'm Austrian 🤷😅
@@thehemperor3967 In the U.S. it's not that consistent, because population density varies so much and because schools are run at a local level (and to some extent a state level).
But, yes, the most common model is two levels after elementary school. Typically, kindergarten and 1st through 5th grades (ages 5-11, roughly) are in "elementary school", and then 6th through 8th grades are in "middle school", and 9th through 12th grades are in "high school". That's almost always what's going on in U.S. media, but real life can be different.
Where I grew up, there weren't enough kids within reasonable driving distance of the schools to have that many different schools, so we had kindergarten through 7th grade in elementary school, and 8th through 12th in high school. And I'm sure there are places with very few people where everyone's just in one school.
Some places separate high school into "junior high school", which is typically 7th grade through 9th grade, and "high school" (sometimes called "senior high school", I think?), which is 10th through 12th grade. These places may also have middle school for 5th and 6th grades, or may cover all of kindergarten through 6th grade with elementary school.
We also sometimes refer to things as "primary school" (which means the same as "elementary school"), and "secondary school" which means everything after elementary school, but those words aren't used as often and mostly only when we're referring to categories of schools rather than a specific school.
We do also have the word "gymnasium", but we use it to refer specifically to the large athletic room that is part of a school and typically has stadium seats along the sides and a wood floor for playing basketball and similar sports, rather than to a type of school.
Never thought I would hear Bella Ciao in a Trackmania video.
That version is originally from Road 96, he has the game's songs in the playlist
Surely the next weeks maps wont be even harder...
Already been released
@@nukewurldand?
@@Calamari23 so the outcome is already known
@@nukewurld and the outcome is....?
@ and what is the outcome?
I love the jump at 11:35 (and many other times), where it feels not quite so smooth as trackmania normally is but still flows nicely and works consistently. Just feels like that roughness gives it an extra bit of character.
Trackmania DS had this game mode as well, even though that game wasn't developed by Nadeo
Wirtual, blink twice if a Nadeo employee is pointing a gun towards you
Pov: Wirtual trying not to mention deep dip every 30 seconds
Thats not what a pov is
@@BARUtubbig Pov: Random TH-cam commenter arguing with zoomers over memes
This man was broken by deep dip so deeply...
omg the person commenting "how do i get the voice girl off my game" that was literally my reaction like an hour ago when I booted up trackmania for the first time in years. It's the option under sound settings called "text to speech" btw. It was like a steering wheel in my pants, it was driving me nuts. Also, kind of disappointed that I couldn't try these tracks without paying :(
It would be interesting if players or even Nadeo build maps that are physically not possible with 0 respawns (not even with TAS) with the use of standstill respawns and/or ring checkpoints. You could do pathfinding maps and other stuff in general. I had this vision since i saw the first set of Maps.
A standard leaderboard wouldn't be particularly useful, but a histogram might be a good alternative. It depends on whether a significant percentage of players actually get a 0 respawn run or not. Histogram and percentile ranking seems the best way to score this mode.
2:57 it's not that strange; they specifically put two there so you could drive onto the first one normally, drive off backwards, drive onto the second one backwards, then drive off normally
Trackmania Players: We want harder maps
Nadeo: Adds hard maps
Trackmania Players:
Wirtual's new favourite reason to complain about Nadeo maps: "It's difficult for the wrong reasons"
Am I the only one who bobs his head left and right whenever I watch someone turtling?
Now setup a sight-reading tournament where players solve trial/puzzle maps blind and advance based on respawn score.
I think Nadeo saw the achievement of the Deep Dip team and thought to themselves: it's time to teach our players the little tricks in the game.
We are gonna get Deep Dip in 2 weeks time 💀
Imagine not knowing the final maps have already been released
@@nukewurldsome people don't want to spend 60 whole dollars for a game sometimes? It's not crazy to not know,plus with the video being so recent
Imagine thinking trackmania cost 60 dollars @@adnanassaf350
@@nukewurld I do know it's mostly just a meme, plus the other guy who stole my comment already has 500 likes.
a Wirt video right as I’m going to bed is crazy timing 😴
I love that you've been playing Road 96 music lately. Just played through it for the first time a few weeks ago. Incredible game.
Holy crap, seeing the clock casually jump over an hour *more than once* as this poor man just beats his head against a wall with these challenges is heartbreaking.
These platform maps were beyond crazy
i thought i was tripping, but the music in the video is just all from road 96, fucking great game
"I guessed the correct ice slide angle" He sounds like me when I take an hour to get a gold medal on a green track.
I do not have any concerns about the overall difficulty of the maps. Sure, this is the hardest tracks that Nadeo ever put out, but that's not the point. My main concern is that the maps include some advanced mechanics, that a casual player may or may not know. Bugslides, speed slides, backwards tech, turtle, ice tech, gear knowledge. This is a difference of a casual player takes 100 attempts but sees small improvements every time, making him want to play more and a casual player takes 250 attempts to slam himself into a knowledge check. So he thinks it's literally impossible and drops the map. Sure, Nadeo put out hard Platform maps before, every TM veteran probably shutters by the mention of Vertigo (atleast I do). However this is just plain absurd. You either know it and beat it, or you don't and can go throw yourself in the trash.
4:17 That is when wirtual realised he got PTSD from playing Deep Dip 2
i feel like they should add leaderboards, and increase the difficulty even more. like ridiculously high
but author medals are like 50 respawns orso instead of a 'perfect' run
There should be several counters, there should be a run timer, there should be sum of all runs timer [until medal], respawn counter exists, there should also be a total runs counter [until medal] then you have all levels of challenge, and a super prestigious
1 run with zero respawns in fastest time, and only ever get one chance at that.
I think the point of these maps is exactly to replicate deep dip goals.
First time deep dip completions aren’t about time, but about just getting there.
Except deep dip is an extreme version as resets aren’t an option. So these maps are a great friendly approach to the same niche
wirtual complaining about medals and map difficulty will never fail to tick me off
Song at 40:37 is Boxplot - Only Us
This take on surviving trial maps makes me think this of some Trackmania Parkour Civilization
Watched you video while folding laundry. I left right near the end to put it away and came back 20 mins into a 23 min "AD" that played at the end of your vid. Your welcome lol
if they had time leaderboards with grouping by number of respawns people could hunt for checkpoint-abuse re-routs that aren't necessarily shorter than thee overall record but ARE the shortest way to finish while resetting x times.
just a thought
Bro says it's hard to learn maps but he remembers 90% of it after seeing it just once
40:30 That Bella Ciao musical hits different.
Wirtual if all of these are giving you flashbacks to to Deep Dip, that's called PTSD lol
5:21 Can they make Deep Dip 2 into a platform map with a checkpoint after every floor? I think that would be nice because it would give more players the chance to play through DD2 "as a whole" and still keep it competitive, since then the goal is to have as few respawns as possible.
That would be straight up stealing deep dip 2s "cp ever floor" map no? They already have a map exactly like that, just without the respawn counter
@@adnanassaf350 Yes, I think the point is just that the deep dip 2 "cp every floor" map should be a platform map rather than a timed map. (I don't think Felipax was aware that that map already existed; I wasn't.)
Dude the in game soundtrack for these levels is crazy
[Nadeo staff watching this stream and furiously taking notes on his every criticism]
Helldivers 2 has text to speech on by default but also presents the option to turn it off almost immediately
I had two thoughts when watching you do these maps. The next “vehicle” they should add should be a skateboard, and a skateboard/parkour styled map would be pretty rad.
Love the Haven OST as BGM for these videos. Thanks, editors
I guess just unlocking a timer when you reach author for bragging rights could work. Gold would be the goal for normal people, author for the pros and WR for the people that live through Trackmania
Honestly some trial maps that have limited respawns would be fire. Like they just hard reset you once you go over a certain amount of respawns.
38:24 Minecraft Java does that when you first launch it, but you immediately get an option to disable it if you don't need it
For this game mode, if you want to have none 0 author time - you would need to add a trigger to make view go black after certain time - this way there would be no time for proper setup - you would have to send it. The problem with this would be that worse players would not be able to go below certain threshold unless it would be possible to trigger different times till darkness, but in this concept to not allow cheating - trigger would also need to add respawns. Ie. author - 1min + 0 respawns, author record 2 respawn, gold - 1:20 +2respawns, gold medal 5 respawns etc.
possible?
I think this gamemode is Nadeo trying to capitalize on the popularity of the Deep Dip event by both having more content in this style out there as well as making the genre more accessible for less hardcore players (new players might want to try these maps while they probably wouldn't even touch Deep Dip even if they watched it being played).
Which would not be a bad strategy from them in any way, I think.
16:55 wirtral money/life advice time!
It would be cool to have a multiplayer tournament where everyone has a set of maps and a set amount of time to get their total number of respawns as low as possible.
18:14 I just want more of these high quality videos
The DD2 flashbacks do have a name, it is called PTSD
new drinking game: when wirtual says or mentions deep dip take a drink.
This mode kind of reminds me of the motorbike game “Trials” where leaderboards put you higher with fewer respawns. But in that game ties for respawns are done with time taken.
I just don’t get why they don’t look at time in this game mode.
Wirtual has that Deep Dip 2 PTSD man, literally EVERYTHING reminds this man of DD2 at this point lol
It reminds me of older FFXIV player calling attacks centered on the boss or enemy “chariots”. All that means, in FFXIV terms, is that Nael deus Darnus is so burned in their head even the easier earlier things like “chariots” and “dynamos” are standard terminology.
I love how Nadeo trolled the likes of Wirtual with "easy" maps at the start, but in the last 5 hes hitting 50 respawns on them 😂
i think the best thing to do would be to give medals by respawns, and also have a timer for leaderboards but in a way that everyone with 0 respawns is higher ranked than a faster 1 respawn run. honestly i think the game mode is pretty good for the average deep dip viewer like me
13:50 I don't think it's their first time publishing something really difficult. Have you ever tried TM United Platform E1? Maybe I just don't personally understand the difference in difficulty here, but I'd be interested to see Wirtual try that.
Okay, after seeing him finish that map I think I can agree it is much harder than Platform E1. The old platform levels were hard jumps but standard driving style. This is wacky kacky type of hard. Not quite kacky level but there are bugslides and flips and so on.
can we all just force wirtual to play all of these levels blindfolded...
What I kinda dislike about this vid is how Wirt is constantly complaining just because they're Nando maps. If these were community maps built by regular mappers, I doubt he'd complain. Just kinda frustrating imo
For it to be a true achievement they should track how many attempts you’ve made. That way you completing with zero respawns at two attempts would be the real Author medals. Then leaderboards could be the best 0 respawn at a certain number of attempts with tie breakers being the total of all attempts’ respawns added together. Then the final tie breaker being time.
41:16-41:23 i love the environmental storytelling
I was sad to find out that Simo900's Final Enigma didn't make it into the campaign.
The music from danger/haven is just perfect
There are times where the music is way too loud. Instead of the music being the background noise, it feels like Wirtual himself is the background noise.
i think there should be a timer and a formula that takes into account your time and respawns to find a score that you get ranked on
lmao, instrumental epic bella ciao at 40:08
Does anybody have link/way to find the playlist of the songs from this video please?
New drinking game
Take a shot every time Wirtual says deep dip.
Lost all of yesterday because of this.
What a story arc. From hater to lover.
The in game TTS scared the fuck outta me, my volume was way up 😭
the haven music during this got me so happy