@@That-_-Guy To be fair, with Glass cards Dusk is pretty much the same as Idol, because you get x2 per card in both cases. And playing one or four hands realistically doesn't matter for endless.
@@Schilani In fact, because 1.5*1.5 = 2.25, dusk is even better and entirely consistent whereas idol is rng dependent. (edit) I just realized that since the glass card applies its 1.5 mult either way, dusk is actually just a 1.5 per card, but still entirely consistent which is necessary in the higher antes.
this is a great example of why you want to put the tarot seal on your best cards. it seams unintuitive, but you see how often he's discarding his best card to find the tarot seal. the goal is to have your deck full of just your best card so ideally you will always draw your best hand and all the rest are tarot you can discard and still have your best hand in hand. its very unintuitive cause you would think you will always discard your bad cards so you want them to have the tarot seal, but eventually you will be dicarding good cards, trying to find that bad cards, which you dont what to do.
But since you can't put purple seal on top of red seal (unless you can, but I'm pretty sure you can't), he wouldn't want to be stopping himself from getting a better overall deck in the future.
@@dwarian5252 yes you can replace anything you do to a card. you can replace purple seal with red seal, just like how you can replace a glass enhancement with a lucky card or mult or whatever.
@@MartijnTV i didn't say that's what you should do. I was just correcting the other guy. Realistically you'll probably never have to turn the purple seals into red. You'll have plenty of each.
When it comes to calculating where to put the blueprint you can count out how many times the cards will trigger and how many times the idol (or whichever joker is relevant to your build) will trigger per card trigger. With dusk and idol active and all glass cards having the red seal you will have 3 card triggers and 2 x2s per trigger (one from glass, one from idol) making it 6 total x2s per card. Putting the blueprint on dusk will make that into 8 total x2s, whereas putting it on the idol would give you 9.
I had to think about it so much, so here's my math on where to put blueprint. Please correct me if I'm wrong: We assume 5 cards with red seal and that Idol triggers that round. C = Cards rs = RedSeal bp = BluePrint I = Idol Blueprint on Idol: (C1, I, Ibp, C1rs, I, Ibp, D, C1, I, C1rs, I, Ibp) = 8 Idol triggers per card for 5 cards = 40 total Idol triggers per hand played. Blueprint on Dusk: (C1, I, C1rs, I, D, C1, I, C1rs, I, Dbp, C1, I, C1rs, I) = 6 Idol triggers per card for 5 cards = total 30 Idol triggers per hand played. Conclusion: In copying Idol, you effectively trigger Idol 2*per count of the card. And since we double trigger the cards with RS, this becomes 4 triggers before dusk and 8 after dusk. Makes 40. While in case 2, we trigger Idol only once and every card 2 times, then two times with the Dusk and 2 times again with the disk copy for a total of 6 triggers per card for a total of 30 triggers on Idol. I don't see where you get your 9 from, but I also conclude that using it on Idol is better if we only take Idol triggers into account.
This. The fact that he's duping so many aces, *doesn't* put the purple seal on them, then complains that he doesn't have enough tarots to thin the deck to make idol work and sells the idol hurt me You can always replace the purple seal with the red seal once you want scoring, but putting the purple seal on something you're okay with playing guarantees value I'll admit, I've made my fair share of misplays while playing balatro, and I'm aware watching is nowhere near playing, but that's such an obvious thing that I'm surprised he didn't do it, especially given how insanely strong turning your discards into tarots is
Glass breaking is ACTUALLY based on the seed. If your 3rd glass use breaks, it will ALWAYS be the third glass card played that breaks. No matter when you use them.
But not.. really? Glass joker scaled so much faster with all the dna copying glass. And skipping blinds is counterintuitive to trying to benefit off dna.
it does scale about as fast, but he was already on Ante 10, so it's really too late to take it. By the time Hologram catches up he would been in Ante 13, which if you can get to Ante 13 with an unbuilt Hologram, you probably didn't need Hologram in the first place.
@@jerkopawdusk is at minimum a x32, and is significantly better once you also factor in idol. The glass joker was the worst joker he had, as it wasn't better than a x32 and didn't really provide that much. Granted, the DNA would have to go eventually, probably for something like a brainstorm or seltzer, assuming he'd want to go as far as possible with aces (which dont have that great of endgame synergies, unlike kings for Baron/sock & buskin or low cards for hack), but still, the glass joker scaling is MUCH slower than the ante scaling
@@jerkopaw He would have to add 124 new cards to his deck for it to match dusk (not even considering the possibility of polychrome cards or idol), basically never also with an average of 1.25 breaks per hand of 5 glass cards, glass joker scales faster than hologram with 2 DNA jokers and he had already used it a lot don't backseat
32:55 I hope I'm not being too annoying here, but it's not actually 40 money. It's 40-your earnings from playing the blind normally (I think it would be 15). Then math (Possibility of gold cards to increase profit, possibly scaling glass joker, value from purple seals, DNA value) probably reduces the value of the skip. And then you consider the expected value of a shop, which is hard to quantify.
FYI, you can still move jokers when you play a hand. You can move them until they activate from left to right. There are some strats of people slowing the game time to move a blueprint so it pops off twice.
Yeah I just came down to the comments looking for this. The game that lives in your brain forever. Also; absolutely not this channel's style, and I get the sense that Tyler wouldn't like it, but it a puzzle game... maybe one day?
me either, especially since I didn't think Tyler played Outer Wilds after some research though, I've found he did stream it once (that I could find) but apparently never made videos on it if you're curious, the vod's up on the Aliensrock Archive channel as "Aliensrock Archive - The Variety Shitshow 3 FULL STREAM", and OW gameplay starts 7 hours in according to TwitchTracker
i used the online balatro calculator to see what your perfect hand would look like with 5x red seal glass polychrome ace of clubs and dusk+idol activated, at the same level mult of the glass joker and your flush five and with your steel cards in hand youd get around 1.0087e26 which is a bit over 100 septillion (100,870,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). thats a lot of chips
With the blueprint on idol you trigger the good ability twice every time it's triggered, which is twice, so 4 times. With dusk you trigger everything an additional time so 3 times the good ability. This is a difference of power 4/3 be ause exponential scaling. The difference is the good ability is triggered an additional time but all other good abilities (glass cards) are only triggered twice, so it is about equal because glass and idol are both x2.
Oh nice! I had no idea red seal worked on card-left-in-hand effects! Like gold and steel cards very cool! Thinking about it now, you probably had the perfect start if you were able to get by with steel red seal aces instead of glass aces. Sure you miss out in the 2x glasses, but none of your aces would have gone away, and so your deck and thus also your hand would be full of cards that multiply your mult by 1.5^2 every time! Not that this wasn't amazing, because it definitely was! GG man!
Yeah, the run couldn't have gone to much further if Idol was that necessary. Just the basic issue with a unpredictable random effect. You got some amazing numbers that run.
52:40 Classic blueprint duping problem. Happens with all card dependent multiplicative mult and retriggers (for example Baron and Mime, Triboulet and Seltzer). Consider for each glass red sealed card, every trigger gives 2^(1 glass + a idol) mult and trigger times is (1 base + 1 red seal + b dusk). Look at the exponents and simplify it to (a+1)(b+2), the product will be the highest if those 2 factors are equal to each other since they add up to 3+a+b when a+b is determined by how many Jokers you have, in this case 3. So if blueprint is duping dusk, the mult each card will give is 2^8 while duping idol will give 2^9. For non red sealed cards duping either way would give 2^6. For chips each retrigger will add, they can be ignored since they’re even less than 2x. So in conclusion, if you have 1 or more red sealed card, dupe idol. If you don’t have any red seals, dupe dusk for the chips
Kinda feel like there needed to be some culling of other cards, since DNA strictly adds cards, and holding on to Death prevented drawing more copies of Death to gradually turn the trash into more glass aces.
35:28 The page crashed at this exact timestamp, right as it was doing the SUPER POWER NINJA TURBO NEO ULTRA HYPER MEGA MULTI ALPHA META EXTRA UBER PREFIX COMBO. *_The hand was so good, it caused TH-cam to have a stroke._*
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I watched this in the livestream and now again and it is still awesome.
Came to this video to find out just how it's actually possible to hit the ultra-high numbers, and less than 10 minutes in, I'm already getting tips: I didn't realize that the glass enhancement could be stacked on top of foil! Good to know for my future runs! D
On the debate between blueprinting the dusk vs the idol, the difference maker is the red seals. If you have red seals they only add one retrigger, not every time you disk the card. Therefore you get more x2 if you blueprint the idol, not the dusk. Otherwise I would default to the retrigger on dusk
man, when i saw this live i knew it's be physically impossible for you to NOT make it a video, It was that insane of a run. i legitimately was waiting every upload for this run because i couldn't stick around for the whole stream.
Oof. Seeing you turn down that hologram was rough. Quite possibly correct (dusk proooobably does more if idol was kept), but two (or three with blueprint) added cards per fight scales pretty quickly.
55:38 I'm not too sure, so Imma do the math XD, cause there's many other things affecting, like not only you did buff the flush five in the shop before doing it again making a huge difference with the mults, but also one of the glass card broke in the previous one buffing the glass eater joker, and the steel card not present (which Tyler already mentioned), making it an even bigger difference, so Imma do the math without any of those factors involved, in theory: The idol joker just gives a 2x and not chips, for each glass card you get two x2 (glass card itself and the Idol), the blueprint joker adds 1 more to it, making it three 2x, this with the dusk makes six 2x per glass card, with the red seal it makes it nine 2x per glass card (red seal does not get triggered again by Dusk), so with 2 glass cards and 3 red sealed glass cards you get * thirty nine 2x *; Each glass card gives 50 and 11 chips cause they are enhanced, so 61 chips, Dusk bumps it to 122, if the card has red seal on it, it adds 61 more to it, making 183 chips for those, so we have with that setup a total of * 793 chips * (taking only chips from the cards themselves, not counting any other form of chips for now), this makes 793 x 2^39 which is * 435,956,360,413,184 points *. Now the same thing but this time with the blueprint joker with the Dusk, for a glass card it does give out the same amount of 2x, six, but for a red sealed glass card it gives one less as it gets only eight 2x, but you get more chips instead, do these cheaps make out for a better result than more 2x? probably not, but let's see, so with the exact same setup (2 glass cards and 3 red sealed glass cards) you get *thirty six 2x*, as for the chips, since we have a double Dusk in this case, and each card by itself (not red sealed) gives 61, we get 183 for each one of them, and with red seal, we get 61 more making it 244, so for the same setup we get a total of * 1,098 chips *, this makes in total 1,098 x 2^36 which is * 75,453,985,456,128 points *, which is of course, way less. So yes indeed blueprint joker duplicating the behavior of The idol joker is better than duplicating the behavior of The Dusk joker, the three missing 2x really make the difference in the second case, kinda obvious probably. PD: If I did a mistake, please let me know!
I think the maximum one can (realistically) get is 5 glass polychrome aces with red seal, dusk, blueprint and idol so Tylers deck with polychrome instead of foil I wonder what this gets to
I could be wrong. But wouldn't it be better to have Kings (or face cards, for that matter) and the "Retrigger Face cards" Joker in the hand? I mean, DNA, despite copying his cards, didn't add that much to the overall score. So if you're lucky enough, you could remove DNA in the later stages when having the opportunity to buy the retrigger face cards one.
two idols is better since retriggers dont stack. having both red seal and dusk is not 4 total with each one doubling the triggers. instead, each effect adds one to the total for a total of three. two dusks, red seal, and one idol is 4×1 = 4 idol procs per card, while one dusk, red seal, and two idols is 3×2 = 6 idol procs
I think a fun legendary joker would just also scale the same way all other jokers do, so if you had vampire gain x0.2 mult, then the legendary would gain it too, and if at the same time like rocket, square joker, and the pants one all scaled, the legendary would gain all of that too.
55:50. Blueprint on dusk turns it from trigger twice to trigger thrice. blueprint on idol makes it go from 2x to 4x that's why it's better. 4X twice beats 2X thrice
Fun fact: you don’t have to play crap hands when you have dusk. You just have to play hands. idk why Tyler is obsessed with throwing away his hands when he has dusk
Amazing run, and I'm sure you've heard it a lot considering it's been out a month, but blueprint on dusk would retrigger the holographic aswell as the rest
Remember when someonte told u to use death bc holding it made it impossible to appear in packs, u can hold a bad taro card until u get a foll or an emperor so they won't appear in packs
"It's just, I don't know what I'm gonna do with DNA yet." - Life, pre-Cambrian Explosion.
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Most accurate comment I've ever seen
Pre-Cambrian life? Graboids!?
@@GM_Neowow. I've finally found someone else who has watched tremors
5:29 single celled organisms when they see the benefits of multi-celled organisms
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love biologiste jokes
"TWOOOO DNAS?"
@@albas4923 it's so specific it's funny
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Shoutout to the hero in chat who explained to him how Idol works before he skipped it
Then he sold it for blueprint… should’ve sold dusk ugh
@@That-_-Guythen he got it back lmao, it was all worth it
he is hero for all of us, im not going to see idol the same way ever again
@@That-_-Guy To be fair, with Glass cards Dusk is pretty much the same as Idol, because you get x2 per card in both cases. And playing one or four hands realistically doesn't matter for endless.
@@Schilani In fact, because 1.5*1.5 = 2.25, dusk is even better and entirely consistent whereas idol is rng dependent.
(edit) I just realized that since the glass card applies its 1.5 mult either way, dusk is actually just a 1.5 per card, but still entirely consistent which is necessary in the higher antes.
49:41 it was only fitting for tyler to get foil on his glass joker after having foil on all his other glass cards
Hah, so true. The second it happened I thought "How poetic" lmao
"Neolithic cypriots being offered wheat" is such a niche thing to say this is why editors are awesome lmfao
This shit is my exact sense of humor thank you editor
roguelike enjoyers seem to have a knack for applying unnecessary amounts of context to random sentences
What does this mean?
Extra little tip for idol or rebate runs, transforming non-target cards into stone cards will make idol more likely to hit the card you want
People who haven’t seen this run are in for a treat.
I sure hope so
naninf runs be like
Even to the ones who have lmao
I stopped watching the streams because it spoiled moments like this
Meanwhile there is me who hasn't beaten a single game 😭
this is a great example of why you want to put the tarot seal on your best cards. it seams unintuitive, but you see how often he's discarding his best card to find the tarot seal. the goal is to have your deck full of just your best card so ideally you will always draw your best hand and all the rest are tarot you can discard and still have your best hand in hand. its very unintuitive cause you would think you will always discard your bad cards so you want them to have the tarot seal, but eventually you will be dicarding good cards, trying to find that bad cards, which you dont what to do.
this broke me 1:03:52
But since you can't put purple seal on top of red seal (unless you can, but I'm pretty sure you can't), he wouldn't want to be stopping himself from getting a better overall deck in the future.
@@dwarian5252 yes you can replace anything you do to a card. you can replace purple seal with red seal, just like how you can replace a glass enhancement with a lucky card or mult or whatever.
@@Roger_808 Well yes, but then you lose the purple which is the only reasonable way to keep thinning his deck
@@MartijnTV i didn't say that's what you should do. I was just correcting the other guy. Realistically you'll probably never have to turn the purple seals into red. You'll have plenty of each.
When it comes to calculating where to put the blueprint you can count out how many times the cards will trigger and how many times the idol (or whichever joker is relevant to your build) will trigger per card trigger. With dusk and idol active and all glass cards having the red seal you will have 3 card triggers and 2 x2s per trigger (one from glass, one from idol) making it 6 total x2s per card. Putting the blueprint on dusk will make that into 8 total x2s, whereas putting it on the idol would give you 9.
So it's a 16 times versus 18 times
@@RealMakotoYuki no its 2^8 vs 2^9
@@RealMakotoYuki No, it would be x2^6 (×64) per card with no blueprint, ×2^8 (×256) per card with it on dusk or ×2^9 (×512) per card with it on idol.
@@Jengamouse Ah, so it was a reading comprehension thing, I see. Yea, I understand now.
I had to think about it so much, so here's my math on where to put blueprint. Please correct me if I'm wrong:
We assume 5 cards with red seal and that Idol triggers that round.
C = Cards
rs = RedSeal
bp = BluePrint
I = Idol
Blueprint on Idol:
(C1, I, Ibp, C1rs, I, Ibp, D, C1, I, C1rs, I, Ibp) = 8 Idol triggers per card for 5 cards = 40 total Idol triggers per hand played.
Blueprint on Dusk:
(C1, I, C1rs, I, D, C1, I, C1rs, I, Dbp, C1, I, C1rs, I) = 6 Idol triggers per card for 5 cards = total 30 Idol triggers per hand played.
Conclusion:
In copying Idol, you effectively trigger Idol 2*per count of the card. And since we double trigger the cards with RS, this becomes 4 triggers before dusk and 8 after dusk. Makes 40.
While in case 2, we trigger Idol only once and every card 2 times, then two times with the Dusk and 2 times again with the disk copy for a total of 6 triggers per card for a total of 30 triggers on Idol.
I don't see where you get your 9 from, but I also conclude that using it on Idol is better if we only take Idol triggers into account.
Dan White's edits are so funny. "What the fuck is this seed?" with the caption "Neolithic Cypriots being offered wheat:"
The reason they didn't break at all early is because it was wrapped in protective foil
Wait is that true
can you play glass foiled cards forever
@@alphadevilllno it's just a joke. You can see glass foil breaking in the video
My headcanon: Foil is (like) metal so it's holding the glass together.
P.S glass breaks as often as wheel of fortune triggers
isn't glass 1/4 and wheel 1/5?
wheel is 1/4 @@dwarian5252
@@dwarian5252 wheel was 1/5 in the demo. In the full game it is 1/4
So...never? 😭
caught this on stream. safe to say that the ending of the last balatro video gave me ptsd. thank you tyler
what happened in the last one?
@@jwideuluisinaein heard the words "spectral pack" and instantly knew what was coming next
00:13 wouldve been waaaaay funnier if he was holding the business card joker
Adding the purple seal would have been baller! It wouldn't remove any effects and he'd get an enormous amount of tarot cards
This. The fact that he's duping so many aces, *doesn't* put the purple seal on them, then complains that he doesn't have enough tarots to thin the deck to make idol work and sells the idol hurt me
You can always replace the purple seal with the red seal once you want scoring, but putting the purple seal on something you're okay with playing guarantees value
I'll admit, I've made my fair share of misplays while playing balatro, and I'm aware watching is nowhere near playing, but that's such an obvious thing that I'm surprised he didn't do it, especially given how insanely strong turning your discards into tarots is
Blessed for no midroll ads during this whole video
49:43 Foil on the Glass Joker. How Fitting.
Glass breaking is ACTUALLY based on the seed. If your 3rd glass use breaks, it will ALWAYS be the third glass card played that breaks. No matter when you use them.
40:53 Seeing Tyler skip Hologram knowing it would scale almost as fast as Glass Joker hurt
But not.. really? Glass joker scaled so much faster with all the dna copying glass. And skipping blinds is counterintuitive to trying to benefit off dna.
it does scale about as fast, but he was already on Ante 10, so it's really too late to take it. By the time Hologram catches up he would been in Ante 13, which if you can get to Ante 13 with an unbuilt Hologram, you probably didn't need Hologram in the first place.
@@jerkopawdusk is at minimum a x32, and is significantly better once you also factor in idol. The glass joker was the worst joker he had, as it wasn't better than a x32 and didn't really provide that much. Granted, the DNA would have to go eventually, probably for something like a brainstorm or seltzer, assuming he'd want to go as far as possible with aces (which dont have that great of endgame synergies, unlike kings for Baron/sock & buskin or low cards for hack), but still, the glass joker scaling is MUCH slower than the ante scaling
@@jerkopaw He would have to add 124 new cards to his deck for it to match dusk (not even considering the possibility of polychrome cards or idol), basically never
also with an average of 1.25 breaks per hand of 5 glass cards, glass joker scales faster than hologram with 2 DNA jokers and he had already used it a lot
don't backseat
@@snebr I get what you are saying, but its backseating when you are doing this DURING the run. Not in the comments after its on youtube.
32:55 I hope I'm not being too annoying here, but it's not actually 40 money. It's 40-your earnings from playing the blind normally (I think it would be 15). Then math (Possibility of gold cards to increase profit, possibly scaling glass joker, value from purple seals, DNA value) probably reduces the value of the skip. And then you consider the expected value of a shop, which is hard to quantify.
24:45 that’s a wild edit 😂
XDDDD
I remember seeing this run on the stream VOD and it was INSANE
After the 1st minute I was thinking: didn’t he already do a polychrome dna run? Then I remembered I’d just seen this before in the VOD
23:13 when i lose all of my glass marbles.
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FYI, you can still move jokers when you play a hand. You can move them until they activate from left to right. There are some strats of people slowing the game time to move a blueprint so it pops off twice.
I was wondering earlier about the same things but I was too afraid to try it because I was late into the run at that point.
man imagine selling the second DNA for the idol when the DNA would've just kept stacking redseal glass.
Love the litthe adds the editor does lmao.
25:40 Imagine the universe where he sells the first joker for Diet Cola and Double Tags the Negative Joker tag.
What for?
0:51 bro "neolithic cypriots being offered wheat" goes crazy the editor cooked too hard
49:09 me when I break the fabric of spacetime
I'm glad there are others that can pick up on the single second of outer wilds music... I'm not alone
Yeah I just came down to the comments looking for this. The game that lives in your brain forever.
Also; absolutely not this channel's style, and I get the sense that Tyler wouldn't like it, but it a puzzle game... maybe one day?
49:00 I did not expect outer wilds lol
me either, especially since I didn't think Tyler played Outer Wilds
after some research though, I've found he did stream it once (that I could find) but apparently never made videos on it
if you're curious, the vod's up on the Aliensrock Archive channel as "Aliensrock Archive - The Variety Shitshow 3 FULL STREAM", and OW gameplay starts 7 hours in according to TwitchTracker
Tyler, keep this in mind for future runs, the same or similar amount of repetitions and multiplier gives you more chips. Ex; 1x3 =3 but 2x2=4
Can you elaborate
i used the online balatro calculator to see what your perfect hand would look like with 5x red seal glass polychrome ace of clubs and dusk+idol activated, at the same level mult of the glass joker and your flush five and with your steel cards in hand youd get around 1.0087e26 which is a bit over 100 septillion (100,870,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). thats a lot of chips
With the blueprint on idol you trigger the good ability twice every time it's triggered, which is twice, so 4 times. With dusk you trigger everything an additional time so 3 times the good ability. This is a difference of power 4/3 be ause exponential scaling.
The difference is the good ability is triggered an additional time but all other good abilities (glass cards) are only triggered twice, so it is about equal because glass and idol are both x2.
Oh nice! I had no idea red seal worked on card-left-in-hand effects! Like gold and steel cards very cool! Thinking about it now, you probably had the perfect start if you were able to get by with steel red seal aces instead of glass aces. Sure you miss out in the 2x glasses, but none of your aces would have gone away, and so your deck and thus also your hand would be full of cards that multiply your mult by 1.5^2 every time! Not that this wasn't amazing, because it definitely was! GG man!
Love the cut at 41:45 didn’t see it until I noticed both packs were gone
Dang 2 DNA into glass joker is insane synergy. No wonder the tile seas best hand yet!
loved that the glass joker turned foiled, it was destiny from having all those foiled glass aces
balatro be ballin'
55:50 not sure if this checks out but
Dusk = 5 more 2xs
Idol = 15 more 2xs
Balatro is love. Balatro is life
2:37 unexpected Haikyu reference nice:)
Idea; a false idol joker which is like an idol, but only either suit or rank(not both) of a card and has 1.5x multiplier.
If this video came out yesterday it would've been SO GOOD
when i first used this deck i got burnt joker first shop and then the ankh right after plus blueprint and got a level 100+ pair
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the ride from "yes... YES..." to "no, non no no, no, NO" was astounding.
tyler you had three more hands you couldve done that twice.
nvm i misunderstood it. its the first hand you play.
disregard everything i said
lol it’s ok
Duplicating Idol and Dusk would be equal if you didn't have red seal.
But you did have red seals, so Idol is better.
I've never been this emotionally invested in one of your Balatro videos
On ante 11, "DO NOT DNA, DO NOT DNA, DO NOT DNA!". I would have doing the same exact thing. Lol. Nice run
So glad to see this run edited
28:53 Tyler is flabbergasted (It's so big!!!)
Are we not gonna talk about what was in the search bar at 6:45?
We will not
What would you like to say about it
Dang the polychrome bait at the end
Yeah, the run couldn't have gone to much further if Idol was that necessary. Just the basic issue with a unpredictable random effect. You got some amazing numbers that run.
realizing you got lucky early in balatro > being good at balatro
40:55 you sold hologram is SOOO GOOD ON THAT DECK
Right
52:40 Classic blueprint duping problem. Happens with all card dependent multiplicative mult and retriggers (for example Baron and Mime, Triboulet and Seltzer). Consider for each glass red sealed card, every trigger gives 2^(1 glass + a idol) mult and trigger times is (1 base + 1 red seal + b dusk). Look at the exponents and simplify it to (a+1)(b+2), the product will be the highest if those 2 factors are equal to each other since they add up to 3+a+b when a+b is determined by how many Jokers you have, in this case 3. So if blueprint is duping dusk, the mult each card will give is 2^8 while duping idol will give 2^9. For non red sealed cards duping either way would give 2^6. For chips each retrigger will add, they can be ignored since they’re even less than 2x. So in conclusion, if you have 1 or more red sealed card, dupe idol. If you don’t have any red seals, dupe dusk for the chips
Tyler’s luck is just godly escept for the wheel of fortune tarot
Ok, I started writing a "let's diagram how this works," and now I think I need to finish a simulator to understand things. Incredible.
Not taking hologram killed me😭😭
Kinda feel like there needed to be some culling of other cards, since DNA strictly adds cards, and holding on to Death prevented drawing more copies of Death to gradually turn the trash into more glass aces.
6:47 “easy dances to spice up a balantro video”
Your editors are killing it
35:28 The page crashed at this exact timestamp, right as it was doing the SUPER POWER NINJA TURBO NEO ULTRA HYPER MEGA MULTI ALPHA META EXTRA UBER PREFIX COMBO.
*_The hand was so good, it caused TH-cam to have a stroke._*
I watched this in the livestream and now again and it is still awesome.
Came to this video to find out just how it's actually possible to hit the ultra-high numbers, and less than 10 minutes in, I'm already getting tips: I didn't realize that the glass enhancement could be stacked on top of foil! Good to know for my future runs! D
hes already hitting 1.7 million and im only a quarter of the way through the video how ridiculous is this about to get
On the debate between blueprinting the dusk vs the idol, the difference maker is the red seals. If you have red seals they only add one retrigger, not every time you disk the card. Therefore you get more x2 if you blueprint the idol, not the dusk. Otherwise I would default to the retrigger on dusk
Tyler was so hyped for that e12
man, when i saw this live i knew it's be physically impossible for you to NOT make it a video, It was that insane of a run.
i legitimately was waiting every upload for this run because i couldn't stick around for the whole stream.
Oof. Seeing you turn down that hologram was rough. Quite possibly correct (dusk proooobably does more if idol was kept), but two (or three with blueprint) added cards per fight scales pretty quickly.
4:15
As I say in roguelikes when I get away with being greedy: "never punished"
43:00 Tyler's greed arc has come in full force
55:38 I'm not too sure, so Imma do the math XD, cause there's many other things affecting, like not only you did buff the flush five in the shop before doing it again making a huge difference with the mults, but also one of the glass card broke in the previous one buffing the glass eater joker, and the steel card not present (which Tyler already mentioned), making it an even bigger difference, so Imma do the math without any of those factors involved, in theory:
The idol joker just gives a 2x and not chips, for each glass card you get two x2 (glass card itself and the Idol), the blueprint joker adds 1 more to it, making it three 2x, this with the dusk makes six 2x per glass card, with the red seal it makes it nine 2x per glass card (red seal does not get triggered again by Dusk), so with 2 glass cards and 3 red sealed glass cards you get * thirty nine 2x *; Each glass card gives 50 and 11 chips cause they are enhanced, so 61 chips, Dusk bumps it to 122, if the card has red seal on it, it adds 61 more to it, making 183 chips for those, so we have with that setup a total of * 793 chips * (taking only chips from the cards themselves, not counting any other form of chips for now), this makes 793 x 2^39 which is * 435,956,360,413,184 points *.
Now the same thing but this time with the blueprint joker with the Dusk, for a glass card it does give out the same amount of 2x, six, but for a red sealed glass card it gives one less as it gets only eight 2x, but you get more chips instead, do these cheaps make out for a better result than more 2x? probably not, but let's see, so with the exact same setup (2 glass cards and 3 red sealed glass cards) you get *thirty six 2x*, as for the chips, since we have a double Dusk in this case, and each card by itself (not red sealed) gives 61, we get 183 for each one of them, and with red seal, we get 61 more making it 244, so for the same setup we get a total of * 1,098 chips *, this makes in total 1,098 x 2^36 which is * 75,453,985,456,128 points *, which is of course, way less.
So yes indeed blueprint joker duplicating the behavior of The idol joker is better than duplicating the behavior of The Dusk joker, the three missing 2x really make the difference in the second case, kinda obvious probably.
PD: If I did a mistake, please let me know!
I think the maximum one can (realistically) get is 5 glass polychrome aces with red seal, dusk, blueprint and idol
so Tylers deck with polychrome instead of foil
I wonder what this gets to
Showman changes things though
I could be wrong. But wouldn't it be better to have Kings (or face cards, for that matter) and the "Retrigger Face cards" Joker in the hand?
I mean, DNA, despite copying his cards, didn't add that much to the overall score. So if you're lucky enough, you could remove DNA in the later stages when having the opportunity to buy the retrigger face cards one.
@@antaxas7068it actually is, look up balatro infinite score
That play at 43:00 who else was thinking playing the red seal was dumb when he didn't get copies... Should save it for when he has multible copies
imagine playing this irl, you're just getting glass shards all over the floor
two idols is better since retriggers dont stack. having both red seal and dusk is not 4 total with each one doubling the triggers. instead, each effect adds one to the total for a total of three. two dusks, red seal, and one idol is 4×1 = 4 idol procs per card, while one dusk, red seal, and two idols is 3×2 = 6 idol procs
35:47 1.496 e^12 is actually 1.4 quadrillion. It's 12 digits added to movement of the decimal place.
Fun fact: The glass jokers ability triggers also from immolate so taking it would have been valid 24:05
3:09 Bruce Wayne after getting his parents killed
I think a fun legendary joker would just also scale the same way all other jokers do, so if you had vampire gain x0.2 mult, then the legendary would gain it too, and if at the same time like rocket, square joker, and the pants one all scaled, the legendary would gain all of that too.
55:50. Blueprint on dusk turns it from trigger twice to trigger thrice. blueprint on idol makes it go from 2x to 4x that's why it's better. 4X twice beats 2X thrice
6:46 Why not just go for it? Let’s groove! 🎉🕺💃🎶
I wonder if all the glass foil aces make the run OP?
You can count on Alienrock to turn Balatro into Adventure Capitalist.
Tyler after playing exclusively flush 5 for the last 5 antes: "Am I really about to go ace, ace, ace, ace, ace?" 1:01:07
My respects to the editor for the seed joke, its perfect
The pre-history meme to kick things off is A1
Here’s a cool idea: if you had 3, 4, or 5 of a kind kings, then it would be called 3, 4, and 5 of a king, respectively
def could have scored more on that last hand.... you had it all at your fingertips.... just pissed it away. lmao
Bro the editor so so funny man he always gets me
The best part about that run is that it counts as a real run.
absurdly high numbers are an easy way of getting me to watch roguelikes/incrementals
Fun fact: you don’t have to play crap hands when you have dusk. You just have to play hands. idk why Tyler is obsessed with throwing away his hands when he has dusk
The idol overall did a x16 4 times in the best scenario which results in a x65536. It really mattered.
Amazing run, and I'm sure you've heard it a lot considering it's been out a month, but blueprint on dusk would retrigger the holographic aswell as the rest
Remember when someonte told u to use death bc holding it made it impossible to appear in packs, u can hold a bad taro card until u get a foll or an emperor so they won't appear in packs
This is the 2nd greatest seed of all time
Also, I really want to see him finally make use of stone cards
Edit: The RTGame seed is way better & funnier
0:13 I think that was Tyler’s worst voice crack I’ve heard at least. 😂
Skipping over hologram in this deck is a warcrime