Vtubing itself is not political, but due to who watches Vtubers, the political Vtubers who get to be successful do represent similar opinions many young men have.
There’s not a big difference between the Vtubers who get radicalized in either direction, whether it be kiwitubers or twitubers … both say their side is based and the other is cringe, but in reality only the ascended centristtubers get the last laugh as they can play both sides.
@@anonymousalexander6005False. Centrists die the most gruesome deaths. People will only tolerate short fat otaku like takes for so long. What people misunderstand is that vtubing gives right leaning introverted women a safe space to express themselves online. This is the reason for the rise in right leaning TH-camrs. There isn't a "radicalization" of vtubers to the right. They are simply allowed to be who they have always been. At least until left leaning psychopaths trying to get them removed from every platform.
@@anonymousalexander6005 no, over the years I've seen so many "centrists" who try to play both sides and pretend they're above either get their mask off moment. They often have very little to contribute, beyond adding more noise.
@@kylethomas9130The trick is that anime style by default creates pleasing character models by default, but sexiness isn't a prerequisite to attractiveness
@@asummerday4448 No disagreement here but I believe this comment was more focused on today's social media era, I do not follow nor am informed of sigourney weaver other than her roles in the alien franchise.
That's the type of reaction content that should be respected. Not Hasan's "wow that's creazy" every 10 minutes and no other input or even going to toiled with video still playing.
Gamergate actually had nothing to do with Anita Sarkeisian until she aggressively inserted herself into it with hate baiting. She sure knew how to grift back in the day, but no one falls for that scammer anymore I think. You know what, I’m grateful she gave me Sargon and his anti-feminist content, though. I’m pretty sure that’s what really kicked him off as a commentary channel.
i dont think as many fall for it anymore (i mean look at all the backlash directed at sweetbaby), but we're still dealing with the remnants of those that did. My prime example is niel druckmann and the Last of Us pt2
Only difference between a "pick me" and a modern feminist is that the former does things that will get them what they really want, while the modern feminist will either be in denial or try to lecture their way into a relationship (Spoiler: That doesn't work).
@@ClokworkGremlin Pickme girls basically just sound like normal, healthy women to me. Feminists, just like any other type of leftist are nothing but spiteful mutants.
58:30 I can't remember the actual case but i do remember there was one where 1young woman accused a young man of sexual assault, and a group of feminist were shaming the mom because she wouldn't believe all women and one said "what if it was your daughter that this happened to?" Her immediate response was "what if it was your son being falsely accused?" don't know what the result of the case was but that was a W mom for not condemning her son without trial.
Same shit happened to my uncle, cousin and another time to a close friend. All cases were false accusations with evidence to prove so, luckily the rest of family and friends had the same attitude as that mom.
People love the "sex sells" thing, but they don't realize that "sex does not retain." You could have the hottest vtuber model but that isn't going to keep a community going. Vtuber fans stay in a group that they vibe with with content they enjoy. I find a vtuber by looking at my recommends, and if they aren't reacting/playing something I don't care about I'm not going to go in there regardless of how hot the vtuber model is. The nice model is just a bonus the person and the content is what keeps a channel going.
Yes. Like how after Stellar blade came out hardly anybody talks about it anymore cuz the game is probably ok but not great. Meanwhile people are STILL bringing up elden ring and such.
@@Ghalion666Tbh, that's a universal thing for an overwhelming majority of games, be they good or not. The reason why people talk about elden ring is because it's just another dark souls game, which is a very normie friendly and popular series/genre. You probably don't hear people talking about drakengard games, despite them being stellar series with a cult following, which is still active in their own small corners
@@Shiroi0moi pretty sure stellar blade is way more normie friendly than elden ring. Baldurs gate 3 also had discussions way more post launch, as did nier automata, a similar game. Lots of games lose discussion post launch even if good sure, but stellar blade was completely flooding discussion spaces moreso than any of those examples. I havent seen a game pre-hyped so much since no mans sky
@@Ghalion666 it's because journos were sounding all the alarm bells and were pre-emptively labeling the game problematic goon kino for chuds. Bigger reason why the game captured it's spotlight is a complete lack of sexuality in modern media, so much that a regular high effort fan service game shines like a bright spotlight in the ocean of mediocrity and genuine hatred towards an average male consumer. It would have been an average 7/10 middleware with a cult following, like Lollipop Chainsaw, if it were to release during PS3 era, so I guess I agree with you on it being somewhat forgetable outside of it's cultural context. Tbh, I never see bear sex game discussions at all, outside of "who's the best girl" conversations on imageboards
Pretty much when a progressive tells me that someone or something is bad, I immediately think the opposite because their judgement is entirely backwards. Also congrats on making it into a Mentiswave video
Yeah im in Canada and they had a skit talking about how Brazil was in for a glorius new golden age cuz Lula won. I immediately thought "damn, Brazil is about to become a communist hellhole now isnt it?"
towards the end she talks about just being weird and i think that touches on the biggest problem with the whole "autism is a spectrum" thing. it broadened the definition far too much to be medically or scientifically relevant. instead of being a disorder which can be diagnosed based on a set of symptoms which negatively impact the persons life, which can then be treated once identified, it became any little quirk and considering it a problem becomes offensive because obviously it would be silly to try to "treat" an irrelevant personality quirk in a perfectly healthy person, meanwhile the people with symptoms that genuinely hinder their development and life who could be helped with more study and treatment methods are abandoned under the guise of acceptance.
The problem isn't people thinking that silly personality quirks get "diagnosed" and people want to "treat it", it's the opposite actually, it's people treating simptoms that make the life of these people harder and trating like it's a personality quirk so you have the problem that any treatment is seen as wrong in the eyes of society today
@Th3GAMP that's precisely what I was saying. The over generalizations has lead to the dilution from a genuine disorder to any little quirk and thus the actual disorder doesn't get treated properly
@@Th3GAMP right, thats my point. by saying that autism is a spectrum and including every little quirk under that umbrella we've diluted the term so that its no longer treated as a disorder. so the people with an actual disorder dont get treated properly
I've always disliked the idea that harem anime is inherently bad or for "virgins". I've never watched it and thought it was realistic or went "yep, that's how girls are". I've always been cognizant even as a teen that it is fantasy and just dumb fun. I have to imagine most guys that watch harem anime see it as silly enjoyment and not actual relationship advice. I mean I'm sure there are some weirdos that do but really it is just dumb fun and we all know it. In a similar vein, I don't think most women reading fantasy romance believe guys act like that for real or it could actually happen to her or something
There are, among women, the small number that think rom-coms and the like are how falling in love and getting married should look for them. There are still some mid-30's girls looking for their Edward from Twilight. It's not all of them, but I think it might happen more to women because guys are taught to know that they have to put effort into relationships more than women are these days. These women (who seem to invariably have a high subscriber count on Instagram and TikTok) really believe that they are inherently at their apex, and deserve an equally-apex man, without doing anything. They want a husband, but not to be a wife. And they are the example girls have in their faces.
I think one should keep in mind that just because something has a target audience doesnt mean its audience is the target. For example Pokemon is for children but clearly has a large adult following. Shonen anime is for teenage boys but many adults eat it up.
47:35 I'm so sorry that other vtubers you thought as friends blacklisted you for playing Hogwarts Legacy. I bet they're the same people who cut off friends who voted for Donald Trump. They'll never have true friends doing that atleast if thats of any comfort to you. If you ever want to collab with some actual nice people, a bunch of them in this video like Kirsche, Shondo, SmugAlana, etc. would surely be glad to collab with you if you ask! :) (I know its not easy to ask and its even harder to answer dms lol, but still worth a shot!)
They are political for the mere fact of them being appealing to lonely men who they don't browbeat into complying with absurd demands for perpetual self humiliation
Silvervale is such a sweetheart. Watching her first stream of the wizard game showed how big of a Potterhead she is. It's unfortunate that some of her "friends" decided to throw her under the bus for their own sake.
Yeah she wanted to play a game and the "everything is political" crowd didn't like that. That's more common from the left but while it does happen sometimes on the right, from the right it's more pointing out hypocrisy. If you say or do something related to politics/political culture then for people on the right they see that person open to being talked about politically
Actually there’s some misinformation about that if you’re talking about Froot. The everyone makes mistakes comment was about the auto mod not about her playing the game so in context it actually was defending her But regardless what happened to her was horrible and anyone who harasses others over something like that should get off the internet, go touch grass, and seek professional counseling
@@tomraineofmagigor3499 if they can search to find a reason to harass someone over playing HL, they can search under the snow for some grass/j (I just didn’t think about that it was winter pfff)
23:10 Harem anime is generally bad sure but there are more exceptions than that. At least 'The world God only knows' should be mentioned as one of the good harem anime.
When someone tells me they have a problem or something, I've gotten into the habit of asking "Is this a problem or a gripe?" because if it's a problem, I'll listen and offer advice on how they might be able to fix it, but if it's just a gripe, I just listen and offer generic platitudes.
My brain has equated vtubers to just being another visual format for content creators, like "png tubers" or those folk who animated their character in SFM/GMOD Do hope you and your family had a good newyear miss!💙 🐟🐟🐟
The previous video I watched was Nepqueen playing Neptunia Re2 and low and belong she has a png avatar that changes facial expressions as she choses to animate.
59:08 "what about your son" they either turn them into daughters or they say something like "I'll raise him right so he doesn't become a rapist" as if assuming it would happen unless she specifically guards against it
@@icyatlasartworks edit: I re-read your comment and realized I could have misinterpreted you, lol. If I did, please ignore the rest of my comment. you missed a bit of context in their comment, the ":" represents unvoiced contradiction to the presented statement. for example Normal Feminists: Feminism is about treating people like people regardless of gender! Radical Feminists: That example is also a shorthand of what that meme format originally was, where the unvoiced contradiction was voiced. Mens Rights Activist: We need to have parity in the law for men and women so that people can be treated like people regardless of gender! Radical Meninists: Women are the problem! So Lucas' comment being, "Uki Violeta:" could be interpreted as: Corpo vtubers: We aren't political! Uki Violeta: I love being political!
@@TheCalmPsycho I didn't even realize I got this reply until right now lol, but you're right! Also yeah, the contradiction at the end of your comment is what I meant, normally being a childish or a corpo V-tuber would lead to you not wanting to make your content political (or being required not to, as is the case with most companies), but since Uki is both, he found a way to produce a double negative and be political anyway
I was also pointing out to people while the anime adaptation was airing that Marin Kitagawa was a MPG. Done well, mind, whereas I think the trope is usually executed really badly. It is not inherently bad.
42:08 It's free on TH-cam, but it's basically 10 hours "Women Touch Down on The Island | The Island with Bear Grylls | Season 2 | Full Season | Part 1" "Men vs Women on The Island | The Island with Bear Grylls | Season 2 | Full Season | Part 2"
Because I mostly listen to you at work, i can't really watch the food or video game ones. It also means i miss all of the good editor comments. You guys are awesome.
Harem is good but it always depends if the written is good, actually almost everything in fiction is a powerfantasy if you think about it. "The hero is misunderstood but in the end he wins" even some "bad end" stories can be a power fantasy some people want to be Scarface. Like always what matters is if the story is good.
Actually a lot of fiction isn't powerfantasy, especially pre-modern and early modern fiction, some fiction is for sure, but there's a lot that absolutely isn't.
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 No, he's talking about really any pre-Boomer fiction. The top 10 of the 1940s: The Catcher in the Rye Fahrenheit 451 Lord of the Flies Charlotte’s Web Lolita The Old Man and the Sea East of Eden Night (The Night Trilogy, #1) The Chronicles of Narnia On the Road None of them are power fantasies. They're commentaries on society, human nature, religion, but not power fantasies. One could argue the Chronicles of Narnia are, but that's really it.
I think the key archetype failure with the easy going pixie girl is that she can be too easily bullied into a floormat. She needs a spine and some teeth, cute ones to be sure, but a bite all the same, in order to resist devolving into the agentless accoutrement of another.
23:08 - I’m throwing down my choice of Rosario + Vampire specifically because it’s about one guy trying to get with one girl and they’re both too nice to get rid of the other girls trying to vy for the guy. It also helps that the girls get development specifically rooted in fact that they all know that the guy doesn’t like them like that and are all lowkey or highkey suffering for it. Also, the series specced into becoming a battle shonen with political intrigue so it’s not all about the nonexistent romance or wacky frenemy/quasi-harem school life antics. I must emphasize that this is only about the manga, the anime is basically the standard harem fare but way egregious on the fanservice.
Maybe I'm just thinking about Haganai (which I assume is a genre-savvy parody or deconstruction of a harem anime) but a harem anime can evolve into "MC + main girl + friend group?" SAO allegedly does this in particularly bad way. Some anituber described "every girl who isn't named Asuna" as a member of "spurned ladies' club" or something like that.
@@Xazamaspretty much, second part of season two, there's a scene where Kirito and Asuna are in Alfheim resting on a giant mushroom while all of the girls they've encountered up to that point (Liz, Silica, Sinon, Leafa) are just watching them from a relative distance.
If I had to describe Vtubing to someone who doesn't know what it is, I'd say it's similar to a radio personality and a puppet show, just more interactive.
I heard the Trash Taste boys compare it to wrestling with waifus: they have a character and lore, but that's not who they really are, and sometimes who they are shines through.
The puppet show part needs to be emphasized. Controlling a vtuber model is exactly like puppetry and a lot of vtubers don't seem to realize this, letting expensive and expressive models go to waste.
you say that women are more likely to derive happiness from making others happy, but to that i counter. a lot of men having an inherent urge to become happy by being usefull to someone who genuinely cares. and being theire protector. is that not another form of the same behaviour but more male oriented?
and what both have in common, is that they are both evolutionary traits, that survived when humans began making more complicated social structures and societies larger than small nomadic tribes. Society itself, is a resolute of swapping over from hunter gatherer nomads, in to actual farming groups. So being able to survive in a group, gave traits that helped survive in a group. Though, one evolutionary pressure has been a constant for men, and never in all of history been one for women. That being consequence of actions/decisions, and why men cooperate so well in groups, while women in groups, backstab each other baseline. When men in any society/group, did not cooperate, they where all killed by other groups, and their women taken over. So cooperation and threat assessment prediction became a massive need by evolutionary pressure. Meanwhile, the largest evolutionary pressure for women, was to get the top man, and dethrone other women from the top guy. So while men died out for their decisions, women had no such pressure. Speaking on a large scale, genetically, less than 20% of all men ever procreated the next generation, meanwhile over 80% of women procreated, giving them no pressure in decision making. And why all societies in all of history that achieved large societies, always had harsh societal pressure to get women to have children, as it was the only thing tying a woman to said society, and not open the gates for the enemy to take over their own society. It is also why close to all mythos, has a version of what Islam states that "1 man is worth 2 women in testimony". Since men had evolutionary pressure to cooperate, while women had pressure to backstab and lie. It is why every society in all of history, has a 100% fatality rate, when "equality" becomes a thing, as it removes all the "societal evolutionary pressure" that would hold a society together, as women genetically in all of history, has ever had consequence for bad decision-making. Bringing us back to men and women deriving happiness from making others happy. This itself is half true, half wrong. Men being a protector/provider indeed has this as true, due to cooperative evolutionary pressure since the inception of society. But for women, this has to be * with it being in relation to her immediate family, and not society at large, like it is with men. Women inherently do not derive happiness from making others happy, only immediate connections, not others at large. This is due to the little evolutionary pressure women had, where immediate connection to other humans, and the highest threat where other women in their immediate surroundings (family and friends that they competed with for the top guy). All in all, we come to the conclusion, that while both men and women "can" derive happiness from helping others, women only get it from immediate 1st link connections, while men can derive it from all of society, as they had to apply their cooperation to all of society, or their society fell to outside threats, and the men died out.
Leaflits cries of dispare at looking up dates of games brings a special kind of joy to my life lol. Maybe it's schadenfreude, maybe it's understanding EXACTLY the pain she felt.
Asmond is such a wild situation, that if you showed animations of him to people who weren't familiar with him or him hobo cooking content, they would think he was, indeed, a character.
Fun fact, shrimping actually means to suck on someone's toes. Explicitly for a particular kind of gratification that I keep getting auto deleted for mentioning the word so. Or simping for Gawr Gura apparently. Man urban dictionary has some weird definitions on it
shrimping, was another term for simping, that took off in the vtuber scene, after the word simp was banable both on twitch and youtube chat, and had a negative connotation previously. So "shrimping" was a rebranding of the word simping. Gawr Gura is credited with rebranding and making its usage common in vtubing, as it fit that her fans "the shrimps" (fan name), are behaving like shrimps for her (donating to their content creator, which if she where not a vtuber, would be called simping over an e-girl)
You are probably a introvert leafiit, there are many types that are introverts but most like to socialize and have alone time on their own terms, introverts are broad group of people not just people with certain diagnosis. Quite a few vtubers have openly stated that they are introverts which is no surprise as many introverts love socializing online in their own place, which works well for streaming.
18:54 It's interesting to me that you see Sarkesian as "the gamergate person" as I believe the height of her relevance predates gamergate, and while she was certainly a person of interest during that debacle, she was more so a behind the scenes person than front and center during that controversy (though she did have some moments where she thrust herself into the spotlight on the topic). If anything, I would expect Zoe Quinn to be remembered as "the gamergate person"
Quinne, while instigating it, was never really the central focus of it so much as the journalists parroting talking points off the momentum of Sarkeesian.
@@CarlosAlbertoGarcíaJiménez The journalists is why Gamergate started and by far the primary focus once people caught on that it was bigger than a single instance with Quinn. Quinn herself was not that important to the overall movement but the straw that broke the camels back.
@@NevisYsbryd While it's true that she wasn't important to the gamergaters side, only the inciting incident, she was constantly trotted out as the victim of harassment by the anti-gamergater side in order to try to shut down discourse. At the very least, she's far more relevant to GG than Sarkesian who, as far as I can tell, really only took a public facing role once or twice, and one of those was side by side with Quinn when the UN brought them in to act as consultants. In contrast, Quinn was continually being brought into the spotlight, she convinced a judge to put an injunction on her boyfriend so he couldn't post anything on social media to defend himself, she got the Fine Young Capitalist's gaming jam shutdown only to never set up her own as she claimed she would with the donations she received. Sarkesian was mostly in the background during GG, acting on the boards of organizations that people like Zoe Quinn and Briana Wu were using to help collect donations (or something similar, I don't remember exactly how that shell game worked). Sarkesian's main claim to fame is her series of videos critiquing video games as being sexist, which happened in the years leading up to gamergate.
18:32 - As a resident old man, the sad thing is we've been so static with computers in general that both floppy discs and zip drives are way obsolete at this point and since at least 2010 or onward all you really see is flash storage as a USB device of some sort, or SD cards of various types. If you look at a game from 2002, like Metroid Prime, it looks old but not egregiously so. A few changes to raise the render resolution and change the display aspect ratio and if told it was a new game most people would find it acceptable. Now if you go back the same amount of time from now to 2002, 22 years, and went back from 2002 you'd be looking at something like Space Invaders for the Atari 2600. Just in storage for computers and electronics in the 90s we went through 5.25inch floppies, 3.5inch floppies of various densities, CD-Rom, CR-RW of various types, zip drives, usb based flash drives, and various types of flash cards including the now dominant SD cards.
Honestly at 47:37 I no longer see keeping the named quiet as "being the bigger person". To me it's just feeding them more power because they know they can do anything and won't be punished. Even if they blacklist you in secret it still effects your ability to network which is important for Vtubers, not just specifically you but other people that maybe want to collab with you might be bullied out of it because if they do then they'll also be blacklisted. Let's use a big name as the example. Nux. Let's say him and a smaller creator are talking and the smaller creator wants to do a collab. Even if Nux wants to and even if he knows it would help the smaller creator out, Nux would still refuse the collab because he knows if he did it that the small creator would be blacklisted in response. This effectively cancels out any brand building that collab would have created. Yet, because the people making these blacklist lists never get named they can keep on doing it. Shutting down smaller creators and even stunting the growth of medium sized ones. The only follow options those creators then have is to either quit, keep it a small hobby or lock themselves into being a "controversial" Vtuber even if it's not what they want to do. To many bad people get away with bad things because to many good people "Don't want to be that guy"
@ExplosiveSalami yeah that turtle is a bot sometime the person behind it do manual comment but most of the time it is on auto pilot. People have pattern recognition skill, this turtle is all over the place with high likes. Also the comment is a flawed one since vtuber are irl women with anime avatar, the bot mistook it for the "anime girl > irl girl" meme.
@@Dayz3O6 maybe though could be a 'just some guy with a moustache' kind of phenomenon where people see them comment everywhere. Some people are just very online and like commenting on videos, I wouldn't be very surprised that there's another person like that.
1:09:22 Every female on the spectrum I've known has had the *exact* same experience growing up that you've described. I've heard 9 accounts from ladies I've known over the years, and I refuse to believe this is coincidence. I would recommend getting evaluated. It may clear things up.
Look at Mentis Wave's character _(The eye in the ring wearing a business suit),_ if he wanted to, he could upgrade his character into a PNG Tuber or even a VTuber model, but I suspect that his character serves mainly as a glorified logo, and you are not to pay any special attention to it beyond as an identifier and instead focus purely on his content and voice.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 oh i care about politics all right I HATE politics. if i want to talk politics then i can literally look anywhere else. so i don't want it infecting the last bastion of escapism we have. no i am not exaggerating i WISH i was exaggerating but identity politics has infected everything else. if i have to live in this dreadful reality i refuse to live in it on a permanent basis its either i have my breaks and escapism or i quit the game of life.
Never realized your history with the Hogwarts Legacy era of VTubing. It’s truly a shame you had to go through that tidal wave of absolute manure. I’m glad you stuck around and learned who was sensible enough to stick by you. I would’ve regretted coming across your channel last year.
FUNNY part about hogwarts stuff is, JK didn't get money from the game since she got money already from sellling the rights to Universal studios for making the game. Only thing she will make money on is book sales and stage play sales.
One important aspect of whole red pil is holding a mirror shield in front of a woman and showing men their true nature so in the future the next guy don't potenttialy end them self because they did not know bad sings tho ofc there are those who don't listen and learn the og hardway.
The "some vids get way more views than others" makes a lot of sense to me, 90% of the vtubers I've discovered I found through them reacting to a video I just watched someone ELSE react to. Although for me, that includes a lot of "funny" reactions and Kitchen Nightmares, so.
If Leaf's first png model was a kid, she'd be starting high school this year. Edit: If you do watch a Survivor Men vs Women video, watch the one by Think Before You Sleep, it's *much* better than the one that seems to get reacted to more often for some reason. He actually shows some of the times the male group had issues but worked through them, and gives more/better backstory on things the Modern King one glosses over.
Personally I like watching different Vtubers for their takes, but Leaflit is the first I've tried to watch on Twitch due to how similar her views seem to be to my own. Unfortunately my internet is trash lmao. Happy New Year!
Yeah I usually stayed away from vtubers mostly cause of the cringe coomers they attract like that one guy who had a schizo meltdown over bao doing IRL stuff. But honestly the shoeonhead reacts have been a blessing for both vtubers and viewers, I may not agree with all of them but its fun to simply see the "why" of how people think as opposed to simply the "what". Plus it shows that people on both sides are nuanced and not extremists like morons like to push. Leaflit is more right leaning but doesnt have problems with things like LGBT individual people (though the community does have problems). Kitsunero is more left leaning but also despises identity politics, DEI and blatant pandering.
Clannad was 100% harem story, but for 1st half. Then it suddenly hit us with a hammer to the heart and decided to hit everyone with emotional damage. I fully recommend for anyone wishing for feels.
1:00:29 I'm instantly reminded of the short film, "It's Not About the Nail." Worth a watch if you're not familiar with it. Good job also pointing out that it doesn't apply to all women and some guys are like that, too.
I've had similar shit happen with "friends" Had a group of people I had met on a minecraft server, and played with them for years. one day I get home and the discord server isn't in my list anymore. Start messaging around, finally get into contact with the one that made the server. apparently I was making people uncomfortable, and I shit you not, she told me they were "being pretty nice about it" (nobody EVER said anything) and to top it off, finished the message by saying she "didn't want to me [me] in the dark." Again, after getting rid of me without ever saying anything. I knew they were fairy progressive types, but in my naivety thought they wouldn't be that bad. safe to say I learned to never trust anyone that gives me that vibe again.
As the saying goes, Love is a two way street. But man... hearing about what happened to you during that day. It still boils my blood sometimes to remember what happened across the internet when the mob needlessly harassed people. I share my condolences for being one of the many victims of that event. I think one of the worst instances out of that were the people showing their real faces in participation, mockery, and disdain toward not just VTubers but regular people who just wanted to play a game. Genuinely irrational behavior that never would've happened any time before 2015. Also I'd say you're more cute than sexy. Would make for a good friend than anything else. That is my comment. Have a nice day.
Ok, manic pixie dream girl as a trope was not sexist as a criticism in media, because it was about bad writing similar to criticizing Mary Sue characters. It’s only sexist when it’s misused on well rounded characters that feminists simply don’t like, or real women that appeal to men more than feminists. In media, in the original context, it was actually an annoying trope at it’s height, and women who were a bit alternative or artsy were rightfully annoyed at guys who were constantly projecting that caricature on to them and then being upset that the girls weren’t into them or didn’t fit the cliches once they got to know them. It died out as a trend after a short time.
I wasn't intending to bring up other chuubas but considering that door is open for this vid... I don't think Kirsche is inherently a political streamer. Just like you, she likes talking about topics that she's passionate about, and that involves talking about some of the problems in the world, and it just so happens that many of those topics have a political element because politics has it's hooks in everything. Some may try to argue that makes her political, but in truth it's that politics affects everything so you can't talk about anything of real substance without touching on it. I feel the two of you would get a long. You're similar in a number of ways. Pair of based wholesome ladies.
Just for the sake of the information being out there I've seen her before saying "of course I'm political. I have things I care about and worry about" (paraphrased but the general meaning is maintained). A Vtuber being political is no different then any regular political TH-camr, there's still a person behind the avatar and any individual person can be political
Just want to say, this channel has become one of my favorites in such a short amount of time I am actually kinda sad that I didn't discover your content sooner but oh well, that's life I guess👍🏻
It really REALLY super ultra wasn't. MPDG is older than color TV. Everyone thinks about Ramona because that's what the critics called her, not because she was the most popular MPDG. 500 days of summer was more popular in the same decade, but Breakfast at Tiffany's was far more culturally relevant for a long time than both. Hell, Belle of Beauty and the Beast is more popular than Romana. All of them feature an MPDG before critics convinced our brain-damaged culture that MPDGs started with Ramona.
I would love to have more political talk with some of my friends, but given how this election was, it made it so hard to want to converse with them about it. Mostly because they have a hatred rooted so deep that you don’t recognize them anymore. Just as I have deep opinions in certain matters, the next person could have the opposite, and we can never discuss it.
I realy hope you do some collabs with other vtubers in this video like Kirsche in the future. Not just would that be entertaining, I think you will find you share plenty of opinions.
Some are for example Kirche is for some of the stuff she talks about. Then you have someone like Pippa who gets mistaken for being political, but she isn't for the most part.
If you want to hate the Hogwarts legacy situation even more, JK Rolling got no money from any video games with the Harry Potter world. She sold those rights years ago like before the movies came out. She only makes money from the books. There's a video that explains it in more detail. So yea, food for thought.
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Yup going to watch your stream now.leaflit my new hag toobaa !
Great video of serpentza on the 1 sec mark
0:00-0:05
You sounded as if one your major life dreams came true.
@@cursedboyir No, it's funnier this way.
Vtubing itself is not political, but due to who watches Vtubers, the political Vtubers who get to be successful do represent similar opinions many young men have.
that is actually a very good way of putting it
There’s not a big difference between the Vtubers who get radicalized in either direction, whether it be kiwitubers or twitubers … both say their side is based and the other is cringe, but in reality only the ascended centristtubers get the last laugh as they can play both sides.
I have opinions too
@@anonymousalexander6005False. Centrists die the most gruesome deaths. People will only tolerate short fat otaku like takes for so long.
What people misunderstand is that vtubing gives right leaning introverted women a safe space to express themselves online. This is the reason for the rise in right leaning TH-camrs. There isn't a "radicalization" of vtubers to the right. They are simply allowed to be who they have always been. At least until left leaning psychopaths trying to get them removed from every platform.
@@anonymousalexander6005 no, over the years I've seen so many "centrists" who try to play both sides and pretend they're above either get their mask off moment.
They often have very little to contribute, beyond adding more noise.
Vtubers have done more for women in entertainment than any other type of female content creator and that says a lot.
It's actually kinda inspiring just how prominent non lewd chuuba are, you'd think they'd be nonexistent with how media talks and jokes about men.
@@kylethomas9130The trick is that anime style by default creates pleasing character models by default, but sexiness isn't a prerequisite to attractiveness
I disagree with the idea that any modern day vtubers have done more for women in entertainment than sigourney weaver
@@asummerday4448 No disagreement here but I believe this comment was more focused on today's social media era, I do not follow nor am informed of sigourney weaver other than her roles in the alien franchise.
@@ASqdrnDA She was the woman to become the Action Movie Star in the era when Action Movie Star was only a man's role.
leaflit turned a 24 minute video into 1+ hour long react. just beautiful.
I don’t really feel right doing react videos if I’m not adding any real commentary.
@@LeaflitAsari Hey, the more leaflit the better!
That's the type of reaction content that should be respected.
Not Hasan's "wow that's creazy" every 10 minutes and no other input or even going to toiled with video still playing.
She's Asian, she has to overcompensate over length.
@@Piromysl359 Agreed! My original comment was not meant to be a diss, for anyone that thought that.
Gamergate actually had nothing to do with Anita Sarkeisian until she aggressively inserted herself into it with hate baiting. She sure knew how to grift back in the day, but no one falls for that scammer anymore I think. You know what, I’m grateful she gave me Sargon and his anti-feminist content, though. I’m pretty sure that’s what really kicked him off as a commentary channel.
Sargon of Applebees? Please spare us the condescension
Carl of Swindon
i dont think as many fall for it anymore (i mean look at all the backlash directed at sweetbaby), but we're still dealing with the remnants of those that did. My prime example is niel druckmann and the Last of Us pt2
Shame Sargon fell completely down the post-liberal rabbit hole.
From one grifter to another, what a fucking journey
Only difference between a "pick me" and a modern feminist is that the former does things that will get them what they really want, while the modern feminist will either be in denial or try to lecture their way into a relationship (Spoiler: That doesn't work).
Modern Feminism:
Wanting all the rights of men
Demand the privilieges of women
Cling desperately to the accountibility of toddlers
Leftists are the actual pickmes, projection as always.
Not the *only* difference, but it's probably the biggest differentiator. "Pickme" is less of an insult than "Incel."
@@ClokworkGremlin True...because the funny thing about pick me's? They get picked.
@@ClokworkGremlin Pickme girls basically just sound like normal, healthy women to me.
Feminists, just like any other type of leftist are nothing but spiteful mutants.
58:30 I can't remember the actual case but i do remember there was one where 1young woman accused a young man of sexual assault, and a group of feminist were shaming the mom because she wouldn't believe all women and one said "what if it was your daughter that this happened to?" Her immediate response was "what if it was your son being falsely accused?" don't know what the result of the case was but that was a W mom for not condemning her son without trial.
Same shit happened to my uncle, cousin and another time to a close friend. All cases were false accusations with evidence to prove so, luckily the rest of family and friends had the same attitude as that mom.
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Oh, it's the best lib-right youtuber online.
Mentis Wave? Here?
Thank you for the great videos o7
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 In this economy?
People love the "sex sells" thing, but they don't realize that "sex does not retain." You could have the hottest vtuber model but that isn't going to keep a community going. Vtuber fans stay in a group that they vibe with with content they enjoy. I find a vtuber by looking at my recommends, and if they aren't reacting/playing something I don't care about I'm not going to go in there regardless of how hot the vtuber model is. The nice model is just a bonus the person and the content is what keeps a channel going.
Yes. Like how after Stellar blade came out hardly anybody talks about it anymore cuz the game is probably ok but not great. Meanwhile people are STILL bringing up elden ring and such.
@@Ghalion666Tbh, that's a universal thing for an overwhelming majority of games, be they good or not. The reason why people talk about elden ring is because it's just another dark souls game, which is a very normie friendly and popular series/genre. You probably don't hear people talking about drakengard games, despite them being stellar series with a cult following, which is still active in their own small corners
@@Shiroi0moi pretty sure stellar blade is way more normie friendly than elden ring. Baldurs gate 3 also had discussions way more post launch, as did nier automata, a similar game.
Lots of games lose discussion post launch even if good sure, but stellar blade was completely flooding discussion spaces moreso than any of those examples. I havent seen a game pre-hyped so much since no mans sky
@@Ghalion666 it's because journos were sounding all the alarm bells and were pre-emptively labeling the game problematic goon kino for chuds. Bigger reason why the game captured it's spotlight is a complete lack of sexuality in modern media, so much that a regular high effort fan service game shines like a bright spotlight in the ocean of mediocrity and genuine hatred towards an average male consumer. It would have been an average 7/10 middleware with a cult following, like Lollipop Chainsaw, if it were to release during PS3 era, so I guess I agree with you on it being somewhat forgetable outside of it's cultural context.
Tbh, I never see bear sex game discussions at all, outside of "who's the best girl" conversations on imageboards
Pretty much when a progressive tells me that someone or something is bad, I immediately think the opposite because their judgement is entirely backwards. Also congrats on making it into a Mentiswave video
Yeah im in Canada and they had a skit talking about how Brazil was in for a glorius new golden age cuz Lula won. I immediately thought "damn, Brazil is about to become a communist hellhole now isnt it?"
towards the end she talks about just being weird and i think that touches on the biggest problem with the whole "autism is a spectrum" thing. it broadened the definition far too much to be medically or scientifically relevant. instead of being a disorder which can be diagnosed based on a set of symptoms which negatively impact the persons life, which can then be treated once identified, it became any little quirk and considering it a problem becomes offensive because obviously it would be silly to try to "treat" an irrelevant personality quirk in a perfectly healthy person, meanwhile the people with symptoms that genuinely hinder their development and life who could be helped with more study and treatment methods are abandoned under the guise of acceptance.
it shouldn't be relevant if there aren't any perceived issues, or one don't fill basic psychiatric requirement. maybe with some exceptions.
The problem isn't people thinking that silly personality quirks get "diagnosed" and people want to "treat it", it's the opposite actually, it's people treating simptoms that make the life of these people harder and trating like it's a personality quirk
so you have the problem that any treatment is seen as wrong in the eyes of society today
@Th3GAMP that's precisely what I was saying. The over generalizations has lead to the dilution from a genuine disorder to any little quirk and thus the actual disorder doesn't get treated properly
@@Th3GAMP right, thats my point. by saying that autism is a spectrum and including every little quirk under that umbrella we've diluted the term so that its no longer treated as a disorder. so the people with an actual disorder dont get treated properly
Mentis always makes me see things in a way I never even considered. Also seeing a vtuber watch a mentiswave vid about vtubers feels like a fever dream
I've always disliked the idea that harem anime is inherently bad or for "virgins". I've never watched it and thought it was realistic or went "yep, that's how girls are". I've always been cognizant even as a teen that it is fantasy and just dumb fun. I have to imagine most guys that watch harem anime see it as silly enjoyment and not actual relationship advice. I mean I'm sure there are some weirdos that do but really it is just dumb fun and we all know it. In a similar vein, I don't think most women reading fantasy romance believe guys act like that for real or it could actually happen to her or something
There are, among women, the small number that think rom-coms and the like are how falling in love and getting married should look for them. There are still some mid-30's girls looking for their Edward from Twilight. It's not all of them, but I think it might happen more to women because guys are taught to know that they have to put effort into relationships more than women are these days. These women (who seem to invariably have a high subscriber count on Instagram and TikTok) really believe that they are inherently at their apex, and deserve an equally-apex man, without doing anything. They want a husband, but not to be a wife. And they are the example girls have in their faces.
I think one should keep in mind that just because something has a target audience doesnt mean its audience is the target. For example Pokemon is for children but clearly has a large adult following. Shonen anime is for teenage boys but many adults eat it up.
@@Ghalion666 on Pokémon, a large part of why it has an adult audience, is that the adults, used to be the child audience in the past
I wanna see Mentis, Leaflit, and Kirsche collab.
I never knew I wanted this
That would be great, for a while now I have been thinking the best person for Leaflit to Collab with would be Kirsche.
Definately need ot see this.
Kirsche is probably gonna have massive disagreement with Mentiswave compared to Leaflit.
@@Spartan322Kirsche the neocon of the pol-tubing space, so of course she has to.
47:35 I'm so sorry that other vtubers you thought as friends blacklisted you for playing Hogwarts Legacy. I bet they're the same people who cut off friends who voted for Donald Trump. They'll never have true friends doing that atleast if thats of any comfort to you. If you ever want to collab with some actual nice people, a bunch of them in this video like Kirsche, Shondo, SmugAlana, etc. would surely be glad to collab with you if you ask! :) (I know its not easy to ask and its even harder to answer dms lol, but still worth a shot!)
And nothing of value was lost...
@@nickkorkodylas5005 True, but the hurt from losing what you valued as friends and cared about them still remains.
Pikamee didn't deserve this... But at least she came out better for it.
@@Sleepyhead080808 Preferred her old avatar tbh.
@@nickkorkodylas5005That's your opinion. In the end it doesn't matter.
Ye vtubers are just inherently political.
They promote self care and positivty
True. They make me happy. Got me laughing through dread years ago at my bottom of life
They are political for the mere fact of them being appealing to lonely men who they don't browbeat into complying with absurd demands for perpetual self humiliation
Silvervale is such a sweetheart. Watching her first stream of the wizard game showed how big of a Potterhead she is. It's unfortunate that some of her "friends" decided to throw her under the bus for their own sake.
Yeah she wanted to play a game and the "everything is political" crowd didn't like that. That's more common from the left but while it does happen sometimes on the right, from the right it's more pointing out hypocrisy. If you say or do something related to politics/political culture then for people on the right they see that person open to being talked about politically
Actually there’s some misinformation about that if you’re talking about Froot. The everyone makes mistakes comment was about the auto mod not about her playing the game so in context it actually was defending her
But regardless what happened to her was horrible and anyone who harasses others over something like that should get off the internet, go touch grass, and seek professional counseling
@megarotom1590 telling people to touch grass in the winter is wild
@@tomraineofmagigor3499 if they can search to find a reason to harass someone over playing HL, they can search under the snow for some grass/j
(I just didn’t think about that it was winter pfff)
@@megarotom1590 Isn't froot that cheating waste of space, or am I thinking of someone else?
23:10 Harem anime is generally bad sure but there are more exceptions than that. At least 'The world God only knows' should be mentioned as one of the good harem anime.
Konosuba too, although it's really mainly a comedy thing
One of the best “harem” anime out there, love it to death and the romance actually made me tear up in the latter episodes.
Overlord also fits a "harem anime", even though the theme of overlord, is the new worlds reaction to the Lovecraftian horror that is nazzarick
When someone tells me they have a problem or something, I've gotten into the habit of asking "Is this a problem or a gripe?" because if it's a problem, I'll listen and offer advice on how they might be able to fix it, but if it's just a gripe, I just listen and offer generic platitudes.
My brain has equated vtubers to just being another visual format for content creators, like "png tubers" or those folk who animated their character in SFM/GMOD
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The previous video I watched was Nepqueen playing Neptunia Re2 and low and belong she has a png avatar that changes facial expressions as she choses to animate.
1:05:45 I love the way Leaf treats her mom. That tells you a lot of the kind of person she is. ❤
Says a lot about the kind of person her mom is too!
59:08 "what about your son" they either turn them into daughters or they say something like "I'll raise him right so he doesn't become a rapist" as if assuming it would happen unless she specifically guards against it
_"as if assuming it would happen"_
Tbf political orientation is largely hereditary.
@@nickkorkodylas5005 That makes no sense.
Thing is there are only 2 kinds of Vtubers that aren't political:
1. Corpo Vtubers
2. Mentally 14
Uki Violeta:
@@lucaslevinsky8802 he applies to both 1 and 2, resulting in a double negative that loops him back around to being political
@@icyatlasartworks edit: I re-read your comment and realized I could have misinterpreted you, lol. If I did, please ignore the rest of my comment.
you missed a bit of context in their comment, the ":" represents unvoiced contradiction to the presented statement.
for example
Normal Feminists: Feminism is about treating people like people regardless of gender!
Radical Feminists:
That example is also a shorthand of what that meme format originally was, where the unvoiced contradiction was voiced.
Mens Rights Activist: We need to have parity in the law for men and women so that people can be treated like people regardless of gender!
Radical Meninists: Women are the problem!
So Lucas' comment being, "Uki Violeta:" could be interpreted as:
Corpo vtubers: We aren't political!
Uki Violeta: I love being political!
@@TheCalmPsycho I didn't even realize I got this reply until right now lol, but you're right! Also yeah, the contradiction at the end of your comment is what I meant, normally being a childish or a corpo V-tuber would lead to you not wanting to make your content political (or being required not to, as is the case with most companies), but since Uki is both, he found a way to produce a double negative and be political anyway
That comparison with Manic Pixie Dream Girl trope is actually spot on, Mentis is a genius for this
I was also pointing out to people while the anime adaptation was airing that Marin Kitagawa was a MPG. Done well, mind, whereas I think the trope is usually executed really badly. It is not inherently bad.
But Gojo is the Maniac Pixy Girl not Marin.
42:08 It's free on TH-cam, but it's basically 10 hours
"Women Touch Down on The Island | The Island with Bear Grylls | Season 2 | Full Season | Part 1"
"Men vs Women on The Island | The Island with Bear Grylls | Season 2 | Full Season | Part 2"
Because I mostly listen to you at work, i can't really watch the food or video game ones. It also means i miss all of the good editor comments. You guys are awesome.
Harem is good but it always depends if the written is good, actually almost everything in fiction is a powerfantasy if you think about it. "The hero is misunderstood but in the end he wins" even some "bad end" stories can be a power fantasy some people want to be Scarface. Like always what matters is if the story is good.
Actually a lot of fiction isn't powerfantasy, especially pre-modern and early modern fiction, some fiction is for sure, but there's a lot that absolutely isn't.
Are you talking about when the protagonist dies?
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 No, he's talking about really any pre-Boomer fiction.
The top 10 of the 1940s:
The Catcher in the Rye
Fahrenheit 451
Lord of the Flies
Charlotte’s Web
Lolita
The Old Man and the Sea
East of Eden
Night (The Night Trilogy, #1)
The Chronicles of Narnia
On the Road
None of them are power fantasies. They're commentaries on society, human nature, religion, but not power fantasies. One could argue the Chronicles of Narnia are, but that's really it.
I think the key archetype failure with the easy going pixie girl is that she can be too easily bullied into a floormat. She needs a spine and some teeth, cute ones to be sure, but a bite all the same, in order to resist devolving into the agentless accoutrement of another.
23:08 - I’m throwing down my choice of Rosario + Vampire specifically because it’s about one guy trying to get with one girl and they’re both too nice to get rid of the other girls trying to vy for the guy. It also helps that the girls get development specifically rooted in fact that they all know that the guy doesn’t like them like that and are all lowkey or highkey suffering for it. Also, the series specced into becoming a battle shonen with political intrigue so it’s not all about the nonexistent romance or wacky frenemy/quasi-harem school life antics.
I must emphasize that this is only about the manga, the anime is basically the standard harem fare but way egregious on the fanservice.
Maybe I'm just thinking about Haganai (which I assume is a genre-savvy parody or deconstruction of a harem anime) but a harem anime can evolve into "MC + main girl + friend group?"
SAO allegedly does this in particularly bad way. Some anituber described "every girl who isn't named Asuna" as a member of "spurned ladies' club" or something like that.
@@Xazamaspretty much, second part of season two, there's a scene where Kirito and Asuna are in Alfheim resting on a giant mushroom while all of the girls they've encountered up to that point (Liz, Silica, Sinon, Leafa) are just watching them from a relative distance.
If I had to describe Vtubing to someone who doesn't know what it is, I'd say it's similar to a radio personality and a puppet show, just more interactive.
I heard the Trash Taste boys compare it to wrestling with waifus: they have a character and lore, but that's not who they really are, and sometimes who they are shines through.
The puppet show part needs to be emphasized. Controlling a vtuber model is exactly like puppetry and a lot of vtubers don't seem to realize this, letting expensive and expressive models go to waste.
whenever Leaf says she is a good girl, the only thing i hear is Asari laughing
you say that women are more likely to derive happiness from making others happy, but to that i counter. a lot of men having an inherent urge to become happy by being usefull to someone who genuinely cares. and being theire protector. is that not another form of the same behaviour but more male oriented?
and what both have in common, is that they are both evolutionary traits, that survived when humans began making more complicated social structures and societies larger than small nomadic tribes.
Society itself, is a resolute of swapping over from hunter gatherer nomads, in to actual farming groups.
So being able to survive in a group, gave traits that helped survive in a group.
Though, one evolutionary pressure has been a constant for men, and never in all of history been one for women.
That being consequence of actions/decisions, and why men cooperate so well in groups, while women in groups, backstab each other baseline.
When men in any society/group, did not cooperate, they where all killed by other groups, and their women taken over. So cooperation and threat assessment prediction became a massive need by evolutionary pressure. Meanwhile, the largest evolutionary pressure for women, was to get the top man, and dethrone other women from the top guy.
So while men died out for their decisions, women had no such pressure.
Speaking on a large scale, genetically, less than 20% of all men ever procreated the next generation, meanwhile over 80% of women procreated, giving them no pressure in decision making. And why all societies in all of history that achieved large societies, always had harsh societal pressure to get women to have children, as it was the only thing tying a woman to said society, and not open the gates for the enemy to take over their own society. It is also why close to all mythos, has a version of what Islam states that "1 man is worth 2 women in testimony". Since men had evolutionary pressure to cooperate, while women had pressure to backstab and lie.
It is why every society in all of history, has a 100% fatality rate, when "equality" becomes a thing, as it removes all the "societal evolutionary pressure" that would hold a society together, as women genetically in all of history, has ever had consequence for bad decision-making.
Bringing us back to men and women deriving happiness from making others happy. This itself is half true, half wrong.
Men being a protector/provider indeed has this as true, due to cooperative evolutionary pressure since the inception of society.
But for women, this has to be * with it being in relation to her immediate family, and not society at large, like it is with men.
Women inherently do not derive happiness from making others happy, only immediate connections, not others at large.
This is due to the little evolutionary pressure women had, where immediate connection to other humans, and the highest threat where other women in their immediate surroundings (family and friends that they competed with for the top guy).
All in all, we come to the conclusion, that while both men and women "can" derive happiness from helping others, women only get it from immediate 1st link connections, while men can derive it from all of society, as they had to apply their cooperation to all of society, or their society fell to outside threats, and the men died out.
Leaflits cries of dispare at looking up dates of games brings a special kind of joy to my life lol. Maybe it's schadenfreude, maybe it's understanding EXACTLY the pain she felt.
It can be both...it's definitely both.
@Aeonbarr your probably right
Asmond is such a wild situation, that if you showed animations of him to people who weren't familiar with him or him hobo cooking content, they would think he was, indeed, a character.
Fun fact, shrimping actually means to suck on someone's toes. Explicitly for a particular kind of gratification that I keep getting auto deleted for mentioning the word so.
Or simping for Gawr Gura apparently.
Man urban dictionary has some weird definitions on it
shrimping, was another term for simping, that took off in the vtuber scene, after the word simp was banable both on twitch and youtube chat, and had a negative connotation previously. So "shrimping" was a rebranding of the word simping.
Gawr Gura is credited with rebranding and making its usage common in vtubing, as it fit that her fans "the shrimps" (fan name), are behaving like shrimps for her (donating to their content creator, which if she where not a vtuber, would be called simping over an e-girl)
@@gampie13 Ahhh that makes sense, thanks!
You are probably a introvert leafiit, there are many types that are introverts but most like to socialize and have alone time on their own terms, introverts are broad group of people not just people with certain diagnosis.
Quite a few vtubers have openly stated that they are introverts which is no surprise as many introverts love socializing online in their own place, which works well for streaming.
Was waiting for Leaf to react to this. Leaflit-Mentis-Leaflit is peak content.
18:54 It's interesting to me that you see Sarkesian as "the gamergate person" as I believe the height of her relevance predates gamergate, and while she was certainly a person of interest during that debacle, she was more so a behind the scenes person than front and center during that controversy (though she did have some moments where she thrust herself into the spotlight on the topic).
If anything, I would expect Zoe Quinn to be remembered as "the gamergate person"
Quinne, while instigating it, was never really the central focus of it so much as the journalists parroting talking points off the momentum of Sarkeesian.
Both names mentioned I only know exist because of gamergate
@@NevisYsbryd What? She was literally the reason GamerGate started.
@@CarlosAlbertoGarcíaJiménez The journalists is why Gamergate started and by far the primary focus once people caught on that it was bigger than a single instance with Quinn. Quinn herself was not that important to the overall movement but the straw that broke the camels back.
@@NevisYsbryd While it's true that she wasn't important to the gamergaters side, only the inciting incident, she was constantly trotted out as the victim of harassment by the anti-gamergater side in order to try to shut down discourse.
At the very least, she's far more relevant to GG than Sarkesian who, as far as I can tell, really only took a public facing role once or twice, and one of those was side by side with Quinn when the UN brought them in to act as consultants.
In contrast, Quinn was continually being brought into the spotlight, she convinced a judge to put an injunction on her boyfriend so he couldn't post anything on social media to defend himself, she got the Fine Young Capitalist's gaming jam shutdown only to never set up her own as she claimed she would with the donations she received.
Sarkesian was mostly in the background during GG, acting on the boards of organizations that people like Zoe Quinn and Briana Wu were using to help collect donations (or something similar, I don't remember exactly how that shell game worked).
Sarkesian's main claim to fame is her series of videos critiquing video games as being sexist, which happened in the years leading up to gamergate.
"thank you for the water mommy" - Cute widdle Leaflit
Mentis and Leaflit being based as usual.
18:32 - As a resident old man, the sad thing is we've been so static with computers in general that both floppy discs and zip drives are way obsolete at this point and since at least 2010 or onward all you really see is flash storage as a USB device of some sort, or SD cards of various types. If you look at a game from 2002, like Metroid Prime, it looks old but not egregiously so. A few changes to raise the render resolution and change the display aspect ratio and if told it was a new game most people would find it acceptable. Now if you go back the same amount of time from now to 2002, 22 years, and went back from 2002 you'd be looking at something like Space Invaders for the Atari 2600. Just in storage for computers and electronics in the 90s we went through 5.25inch floppies, 3.5inch floppies of various densities, CD-Rom, CR-RW of various types, zip drives, usb based flash drives, and various types of flash cards including the now dominant SD cards.
Honestly at 47:37 I no longer see keeping the named quiet as "being the bigger person". To me it's just feeding them more power because they know they can do anything and won't be punished. Even if they blacklist you in secret it still effects your ability to network which is important for Vtubers, not just specifically you but other people that maybe want to collab with you might be bullied out of it because if they do then they'll also be blacklisted.
Let's use a big name as the example. Nux. Let's say him and a smaller creator are talking and the smaller creator wants to do a collab. Even if Nux wants to and even if he knows it would help the smaller creator out, Nux would still refuse the collab because he knows if he did it that the small creator would be blacklisted in response. This effectively cancels out any brand building that collab would have created.
Yet, because the people making these blacklist lists never get named they can keep on doing it. Shutting down smaller creators and even stunting the growth of medium sized ones. The only follow options those creators then have is to either quit, keep it a small hobby or lock themselves into being a "controversial" Vtuber even if it's not what they want to do.
To many bad people get away with bad things because to many good people "Don't want to be that guy"
Vtubers > IRL women
@@housemanaAI?
@ExplosiveSalami yeah that turtle is a bot sometime the person behind it do manual comment but most of the time it is on auto pilot. People have pattern recognition skill, this turtle is all over the place with high likes. Also the comment is a flawed one since vtuber are irl women with anime avatar, the bot mistook it for the "anime girl > irl girl" meme.
@@Dayz3O6 maybe though could be a 'just some guy with a moustache' kind of phenomenon where people see them comment everywhere. Some people are just very online and like commenting on videos, I wouldn't be very surprised that there's another person like that.
I much prefer IRL women, but only the nice ones.
DO NOT HEART HIM, YOU FOOL!
YOU ARE ENABLING HIM TO BREED!
1:09:22 Every female on the spectrum I've known has had the *exact* same experience growing up that you've described. I've heard 9 accounts from ladies I've known over the years, and I refuse to believe this is coincidence. I would recommend getting evaluated. It may clear things up.
I didn't know Leaflit worked on "The Lost Vikings" (1993) while she was at Blizzard.
Look at Mentis Wave's character _(The eye in the ring wearing a business suit),_ if he wanted to, he could upgrade his character into a PNG Tuber or even a VTuber model, but I suspect that his character serves mainly as a glorified logo, and you are not to pay any special attention to it beyond as an identifier and instead focus purely on his content and voice.
Isnt he already a PNG tuber?
Had a poll that asked if vTubers were 2D or 3D girls, and the winner was 2.5D.
"Are Vtuber polital?"
No, but like everything else, people make it polital. Not mentis directly, but you get the point.
You might not care about politics but politics cares about you.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 oh i care about politics all right I HATE politics. if i want to talk politics then i can literally look anywhere else. so i don't want it infecting the last bastion of escapism we have. no i am not exaggerating i WISH i was exaggerating but identity politics has infected everything else. if i have to live in this dreadful reality i refuse to live in it on a permanent basis its either i have my breaks and escapism or i quit the game of life.
You worked at blizzard? Holy shit. Can you make a video of your story?
Iv been waiting for you to cover this since mentis wave made that video
Never realized your history with the Hogwarts Legacy era of VTubing. It’s truly a shame you had to go through that tidal wave of absolute manure. I’m glad you stuck around and learned who was sensible enough to stick by you. I would’ve regretted coming across your channel last year.
Love the editor notes, very entertaining.
I was wondering when the vtuber reactions to this were going to start rolling in
@14:50 you can see leaf get defeated with no comeback. That sigh was so real. Love it.
FUNNY part about hogwarts stuff is, JK didn't get money from the game since she got money already from sellling the rights to Universal studios for making the game. Only thing she will make money on is book sales and stage play sales.
One important aspect of whole red pil is holding a mirror shield in front of a woman and showing men their true nature so in the future the next guy don't potenttialy end them self because they did not know bad sings tho ofc there are those who don't listen and learn the og hardway.
The "some vids get way more views than others" makes a lot of sense to me, 90% of the vtubers I've discovered I found through them reacting to a video I just watched someone ELSE react to.
Although for me, that includes a lot of "funny" reactions and Kitchen Nightmares, so.
If I find a vtuber I really like, I'll watch ALL their vids--usually as substitute for television while doing something else on my main screen.
Oh man that was a fun late night stream se definitely kept that long. Mentis wave did an amazing job great job Leaflit team
Its ok to get old, vtubers stay young and cute
If Leaf's first png model was a kid, she'd be starting high school this year. Edit: If you do watch a Survivor Men vs Women video, watch the one by Think Before You Sleep, it's *much* better than the one that seems to get reacted to more often for some reason. He actually shows some of the times the male group had issues but worked through them, and gives more/better backstory on things the Modern King one glosses over.
Personally I like watching different Vtubers for their takes, but Leaflit is the first I've tried to watch on Twitch due to how similar her views seem to be to my own. Unfortunately my internet is trash lmao. Happy New Year!
Yeah I usually stayed away from vtubers mostly cause of the cringe coomers they attract like that one guy who had a schizo meltdown over bao doing IRL stuff. But honestly the shoeonhead reacts have been a blessing for both vtubers and viewers, I may not agree with all of them but its fun to simply see the "why" of how people think as opposed to simply the "what".
Plus it shows that people on both sides are nuanced and not extremists like morons like to push. Leaflit is more right leaning but doesnt have problems with things like LGBT individual people (though the community does have problems). Kitsunero is more left leaning but also despises identity politics, DEI and blatant pandering.
The ADD was strong in this one, lol.
For real, seems like she only caught half of the video all together 😂
I support the Make Everything Anime Today party.
I would guess that the "eisha" from Pickmeisha is pulled from Geisha, which are female Japanese performers
Sadly I think pickmeisha was used specifically against women of color.
12:05 H-H-HAG!!!!! 👀👀👀
Exactly what I thought. Sheers a peer. Even better.
Clannad was 100% harem story, but for 1st half. Then it suddenly hit us with a hammer to the heart and decided to hit everyone with emotional damage.
I fully recommend for anyone wishing for feels.
1:00:29 I'm instantly reminded of the short film, "It's Not About the Nail." Worth a watch if you're not familiar with it. Good job also pointing out that it doesn't apply to all women and some guys are like that, too.
I've had similar shit happen with "friends"
Had a group of people I had met on a minecraft server, and played with them for years. one day I get home and the discord server isn't in my list anymore. Start messaging around, finally get into contact with the one that made the server.
apparently I was making people uncomfortable, and I shit you not, she told me they were "being pretty nice about it" (nobody EVER said anything) and to top it off, finished the message by saying she "didn't want to me [me] in the dark." Again, after getting rid of me without ever saying anything.
I knew they were fairy progressive types, but in my naivety thought they wouldn't be that bad. safe to say I learned to never trust anyone that gives me that vibe again.
As the saying goes, Love is a two way street. But man... hearing about what happened to you during that day. It still boils my blood sometimes to remember what happened across the internet when the mob needlessly harassed people. I share my condolences for being one of the many victims of that event. I think one of the worst instances out of that were the people showing their real faces in participation, mockery, and disdain toward not just VTubers but regular people who just wanted to play a game. Genuinely irrational behavior that never would've happened any time before 2015. Also I'd say you're more cute than sexy. Would make for a good friend than anything else. That is my comment. Have a nice day.
Ok, manic pixie dream girl as a trope was not sexist as a criticism in media, because it was about bad writing similar to criticizing Mary Sue characters. It’s only sexist when it’s misused on well rounded characters that feminists simply don’t like, or real women that appeal to men more than feminists. In media, in the original context, it was actually an annoying trope at it’s height, and women who were a bit alternative or artsy were rightfully annoyed at guys who were constantly projecting that caricature on to them and then being upset that the girls weren’t into them or didn’t fit the cliches once they got to know them. It died out as a trend after a short time.
Beta "How caviar is made" (5k) versus Sigma Mentis Wave React (10k in 7 hours)
hoe_math is the best!
I disagree.
I mean, let's be real. Most Vtuber girls absolutely act like the MPDG trope, they know what they do.
Yo was that serpentza at the start?
Yeah, we were watching one of his videos when someone came in chat and said Mentis uploaded this
This video is a goldmine for leafit's noises
Alternate title: "Leaflit coming to terms with how old she is"
oh man sounds like leaf has some bangers lined up
I wasn't intending to bring up other chuubas but considering that door is open for this vid... I don't think Kirsche is inherently a political streamer. Just like you, she likes talking about topics that she's passionate about, and that involves talking about some of the problems in the world, and it just so happens that many of those topics have a political element because politics has it's hooks in everything.
Some may try to argue that makes her political, but in truth it's that politics affects everything so you can't talk about anything of real substance without touching on it.
I feel the two of you would get a long. You're similar in a number of ways. Pair of based wholesome ladies.
Yeah, and politics is like half at most of what she talks about anyways.
Just for the sake of the information being out there I've seen her before saying "of course I'm political. I have things I care about and worry about" (paraphrased but the general meaning is maintained). A Vtuber being political is no different then any regular political TH-camr, there's still a person behind the avatar and any individual person can be political
Is Vtubing political?
*Kirsche has entered the chat*
Let's derailed with Sounding.
@@drockwell1583 If only feminists could induce 1/1000th of the intimidation Kirsche UNINTENTIONALLY causes to the patriarchs.
Vtubers are some of my favorite political commentators currently
Just want to say, this channel has become one of my favorites in such a short amount of time
I am actually kinda sad that I didn't discover your content sooner but oh well, that's life I guess👍🏻
Mentis and Leaflit love for the algo 🎉
Original Video link in the description is incorrect, just figured I'd let you know
The "Manic Pixie Dream Girl" trope was popularized by Ramona Flowers in Scott Pilgrim.
I just want to watch and “make me laugh or I just leave” entertainment industry. Usually I don’t care for most vtuber feelings.
It really REALLY super ultra wasn't. MPDG is older than color TV. Everyone thinks about Ramona because that's what the critics called her, not because she was the most popular MPDG.
500 days of summer was more popular in the same decade, but Breakfast at Tiffany's was far more culturally relevant for a long time than both. Hell, Belle of Beauty and the Beast is more popular than Romana.
All of them feature an MPDG before critics convinced our brain-damaged culture that MPDGs started with Ramona.
Ngl. Thanks to TH-cam Algorithm, I had no idea you had food content/videos. Now that I know I'll be checking those out!
Poor Leaf getting distracted by the relentless march of time.😔
Leaflit was taking a lot of psychic damage this video.
I would love to have more political talk with some of my friends, but given how this election was, it made it so hard to want to converse with them about it. Mostly because they have a hatred rooted so deep that you don’t recognize them anymore.
Just as I have deep opinions in certain matters, the next person could have the opposite, and we can never discuss it.
I realy hope you do some collabs with other vtubers in this video like Kirsche in the future. Not just would that be entertaining, I think you will find you share plenty of opinions.
Yeah, someone like Kirsche or SmugAlana would be great.
The guy in the background at the start looked like SerpentZA from the China Show and I was so profoundly confused. lol
Who doesn't want a pretty young girl with a fun personality who can also be a life coach and help you fix your problems?
bro her PNG model was goated wtf
I'm very interested in this footage of the filter
33:36 "Victims ? Aren't we all ? "
I didn’t know Leaf worked in Riot and Blizzard.
Some are for example Kirche is for some of the stuff she talks about. Then you have someone like Pippa who gets mistaken for being political, but she isn't for the most part.
If you want to hate the Hogwarts legacy situation even more, JK Rolling got no money from any video games with the Harry Potter world. She sold those rights years ago like before the movies came out. She only makes money from the books. There's a video that explains it in more detail.
So yea, food for thought.
So what you are saying Leaflit is that you played controllers in City of Heroes back in the day.
7:23
Truer words have never been spoken
Wow. I was about to recommend you this video, but it seems like you already familiar with his channel