Yeah, I was caught off guard with that "Correct!" from him. I was like "What? Jinzo was great at the time, but fair enough to stay around." EDIT: I paused after he said correct and checked the comments. Then I unpaused and he caught himself. lol
Voxy being soooo quick to correctly evaluate cards and then talk herself out of it just as quickly is the emotional roller coaster I never knew I wanted 😅
One day on a playground somewhere some Timmy was able to change of heart a magician of faith, get back change of heart and use it on Tommy's Dark Magician, tribute both for his Blue Eyes, and then monster reborn Tommy's Dark Magician, and Tommy ran home crying and has continued to cry to this day.
I like to imagine that that was the plan, he change of hearts that face down monster, flips it and ITS A MORPHING JAR!!!! say goodbye to your blue eyes, Monster reborn and that 2nd change of heart!!! screw timmy, tommy for president!!
@@matthiashornke9969you dont have to flip it immediately and youre also privy to private info on your side of the field so you would know immediately once you take control of it so you then just set monster reborn, change of heart and any other useful spell/traps before flipping it
@YukiFubuki. NGL, I was going to call him out on that but I haven't played yugioh in about 20 years, and while I think that's what we always did on the playground, I have no idea if that was the official rule. I'm sure there were many times when Timmies and Tommies not knowing the rules did assume they had to take a gamble flipping it without knowing too though.
It's only in listening to Voxy so quickly evaluate Ultimate Offering that I realized in MTG this would read as "during your opponent's battle phase all your creatures have Flash and pay 1 life every time you summon with this card."
Better than that really, since in yugioh you only get 1 normal summon. So in mtg it would also say you don't pay their mana costs, since it breaks yugioh resource system as well
@@xolotltolox7626 I'd say more like my beloved Aluren but one sided. With offering you are almost never using it to sacrifice and up to 3 cost is fairly comparable to level 4 monsters.
its obvious she doesnt know mtg deeply. she is just using it as a funnel for followers on her social medias. she could have just as easily branded herself with another card game.
@2:14 Damn, I got niche knowledge. There is a similar card to Wall of Illusion in MTG. It's called [[Æther Membrane]]. 1RR, Wall, 0/5, Defender, Reach, "When [this card] blocks a creature, return that creature to its owner's hand at the end of combat." One of the first MTG cards I ever got back in middle school.
I was thinking Wall of Tears, the uncommon no one played from 1998, so when she said "there's probably some one-off no one ever heard of and it's from 1999," Voxy kind of nailed that
@@AliceLoverdrive The brackets especially around the name has to do with websites that have Gatherer (effectively the semi-official rulings, and errata database for MTG) integration. so if you are on say the MTG official forums you would put the cards name in brackets like that, and it would give you a link to the Gatherer page (along with a pop out picture of the card) so you didn't need to constantly be stating the given cards text.
@@CasualCoreK as a Magic player who follows into these videos from the crossovers with Voxy & Rarran & CGB, here's my assumptions about YGO: - There's basically NO direct card draw because there's no mana cost, so even just a card that said "draw a card" probably isn't legal. - Because there's no card draw, replaying and looping from the graveyard is really good; that's where your card advantage is, so isn't everything a graveyard deck? - they don't have lands, so there shouldn't be the equivalent of a 1 land/6 spell or 6 land/1 spell non-hand to get wheeled into. Getting hit with a Winds of Change in Magic can really really suck because your get forcibly mulliganed and might just draw a nonfunctional hand, but I don't think that can happen in YGO - Aren't most of the effects you could activate on your opponent's turn something you had to set on yours? So your wheeled hand isn't a bunch of instants, they get their turn & probably cast more than you did. You get +5 cards but can't use most of them, right? Holding them is useless if your opponent just wins on their turns. Like, if a player could *choose* to throw the top five cards of their deck into their graveyard at the start of a YGO game, wouldn't most decks say yes to that? Or am I totally misunderstanding the game? IDK, I could have gone either way. I guess with so little draw and everything being manaless, you really are getting a ton of advantage by hand-dumping and then wheeling. So that seems good, but I could have been persuaded that it was really really bad as well.
Its also essentially the same as all the degenerate wheel effects like ironically enough, Memory Jar, from Urza block that had to be emergency banned for allowing essentially an identical deck in magic to empty jar.
@@51gunnerokay so, you’re right that raw card draw is really good. We have plenty of “draw one” effects, but they usually come with stipulations or activation requirements. Graveyard is also very good to interact with yes, but while most decks do have SOME interaction with GY, plenty of decks don’t make a reliable use of the graveyard. You’re also right that many players would choose to mill for the chance to draw, since games usually go fast enough that you aren’t at risk of a deck out, and what’s the use of cards that stay in the deck? The deck is one of the least useful locations for a card to be. Also yes, vast majority of instant speed effects have to be set on the field on your own turn first. Hand traps are an exception, which is why they’re such popular cards to the point of being staples. I may be wrong on this point but I believe it’s much harder for a pro player to brick their starting hand since they’ll usually have spells and traps designed to search for playable monsters, but an amateur could still easily brick if they don’t know how to build a deck properly
Funny story, back in the day (2010?) there was a mega thread on the Pojo forums that attempted to catalogue every OTK achievable in under 3 cards in the game as both a resource for players and an inspiration for deck building. The OTK list specifically asked players to not include Ultimate Offering because even back then there were too many conceivable OTKs with that card.
The pojo list was for garbage otks like Ancient Sacred Wyvern stuff. People in OCG figured out frog ftk day 1 (probably i wasn’t around that back then).
I'd kinda love to see Voxy and CGB legitimately work together to try and decide bans just because I think it'd be fun to see them try to talk each other in and out of things. CGB trying to convince Voxy that robbin goblin is the most bannable card of all time. Voxy trying to convince CGB change of heart is totally okay. It'd be the greatest comedic duo of all time. I've seen them COMPETE to guess power levels of cards before, but not actually and truly work together. Will combining their powers be a positive, or will they collectively lose braincells. There's only one way to find out!
Ooh, yeah, I like that! Instead of competing against each other, work "with" each other. Like, they both get a cumulative score and both get a point for what they get right. And 0 or even a negative point for what they get wrong. It would make each agreement so impassioned. I'm going to steal this and repost it for extra visibility I like it so much.
Discarding on turn 1 in magic is like a race car driver walking up to another race car driver and stabbing a nail into their tire, and saying "good luck!", in yugioh it's like stealing their wheels.
The great part is when you merge eras of the game and throw your opponent off because they aren't expecting older tactics (or cards) and are defenseless against 'em! Although rare, the anime highlighted this strength of the eternal format; Varis, aka "Revolver" in the VRAINS series, employed several first-year cards to counter his opponents. This was devastating because Link monsters are always in Attack position, which means the likes of Mirror Force wipe the field of those who charge blindly in, and he backed it up with Magic Cylinder too. The man even played Solemn Judgment, so when he said "No.", he meant it! Play the weird, the rogues, the memes! Just be a good sport and don't be a jerk when you do it, and make sure to have some fun!
I mean playing around mirror force is easy (only lost because anime characters are dumb and dont set up negates or pop the backrow), but yeah Judgment is still awesome and so are all the limited DM staples and formerly limited DM staples @LittlepipMLP
@@LittlepipMLPits alos hilarious how they hyped it up, like he has the perfect counter to link monster and you were left wondering what it was; a skill drain or deck destruction virus equivalent to links, maybe galaxy eyes photon dragon but just against links… no its mirror force
It's a great idea, just often really hard to implement. This is a 1 hour video, but probably 2+ hours of footage. For streamers, this is a large amount of their work time they're giving up for your work. So usually you both will do a collab for each other's channels. That extends the recording time much longer. Add in a 3rd person, and you could easily be asking all of them to use up a half a work day on recording.
Reminds me of the Rarran videos where both Cimo and CGB (separately) evaluated Hearthstone cards and ranked them. Was even funnier because this was before Cimo and CGB got acquainted with each other lol
33:39 - The better explanation is "With negation, you can still activate Traps but their effects won't work and will go to the GY if they're not Continuous. _Preventing _*_activation_* on the other hand means that you can't even flip them up so they're stuck on the field and can't do anything."
I think he meant in the old days where you went through your deck so you could draw back the best card semi reliably also tearlaments is the best deck in unlimited, so you really don't want to discard any of those
well back in the day sending their monsters to the graveyard meant you had fodder for turn 1 monster reborn into jinzo or summoned skull (And you get to see if they had a board wipe before doing it). In unlimited it is a bit different since sending cards into the deck is the strongest form of removal vs most competitive decks.
Also regarding The Forceful Sentry, at that point in the game you were still allowed to take notes on the opponents hand etc so you didn’t even have to remember what they had.
For future reference, when an magic player asks how common is trap/spell removal, answer back “about as common as artifact/enchantment removal”, it exists but is more often sideboard or tech
It's interesting, I think Voxy has the most unusual instincts on what's good and what's not in a card game, like 0 mana board wipe or revive sounds busted in any card game, while going 1 for 1 with a random card (time seal) sounds awful, but because of the nature of these videos wanting to be surprising, she performs the best.
Listening to her magic takes makes my brain burn. How long has she played that she's never seen a combo deck use a wheel, what formats has she played that she's never been thoughtseized before?
A byproduct of only playing draft... like ever, she evaluates card pools on a completely different level than someone in yugioh or a regular MTG player would
You also forgot to mention that one the main reason exodia was so broken in old yugioh was because of pre errata last will allowing to cycle through monster with sangan and witch
There are two creatures in all of Magic that have the "return a blocked creature" type effect: "Aether Membrane" and "Wall of Tears". The first is from Planar Chaos and the second is all the way back in Stronghold. So it's not surprising that she wouldn't remember them. Hell I thought it would have been a jellyfish that had that but "Gomazoa" does something else.
okay, imagine if you and cgb present voxy a card each turn, him a magic card you a yugioh, one of them is banned one is not, and she has to pick which one is banned of the two of them.
I cannot wait for one of these magic tubers to get to pendulum summoning. If Nirvana High Paladin could destroy the climate, it can destroy their brains.
@32:50 I love how she explains s card she feels is relevant to call of the haunted and cimos like 'fuck that magic, this is my video - next yugioh card please'
She is so good at this. Interesting to see someone extremely intuitive just nail the right answers, and then explain their reasoning. It feels like as soon as she knows how the card even works she has a pretty damn accurate intuition of how strong it is. I hope we get to see Voxy again.
Voxy's Limited brain really hurt her with Morphing Jar. Wheeling is generally pretty good in every constructed format since you're the one who gets to determine when to pull the trigger.
The closest MTG equivalent to Wall of Illusion that I can think of is Aether Membrane. It's a wall and it bounces the enemy creature back to hand after combat.
11:54 at first I thought "I mean, its strong, but like for nowadays yugioh? You mainly special summon so 1 extra normal summon dont exactly matter THAT much" ...Then I noticed the lack of a 'once per turn' clause on it.
Tbh even being non opt it could come back nowadays. It falls into the unfortunate combination of requiring your deck to be built around it to get good value out of it, but also being unsearchable and slow. Like if Gimmick Puppet ftk was allowed to be printed into the modern game, Ultimate Offering is little timmy playground level in comparison. If you really wanted to go infinite there are much easier and more consistent ways anyway, like just getting out two Morphtronic Telefons lol.
@@JumbaJumby Its searchable Awkwardly, but you can, and there's more and more ways to cheat it into play turn 1 as well, plus its exactly the kind of card that enables burn FTK horseshit from that position, its not unreasonable that it stays banned, I also think it stays banned for reasons similar to why Yata took forever to come off the list, its likely a yardstick of sorts as to what kind of designs are unacceptable to approach
The Dark Hole and Monster Reborn bans are interesting because for a number of years they would swap places on the banned/limited lists. Dark Hole would be banned for a bit while Reborn was limited, then a new list would come out and Reborn would be banned for a bit while Dark Hole was limited, then a new list would come out again and they'd trade places again. It was weird, and I don't think it ever happened for any other cards.
42:30 I think most players would say The Forceful Sentry is the strongest hand destruction card because you look at the hand (unlike Delinquent Duo) and you deny graveyard effects / discard effects which funnily probably makes Delinquent Duo the worst of the three.
Forceful Sentry got infinitely better as more graveyard setup/discard interaction became available. Delinquent Duo was undoubtedly far stronger earlier on in yugioh.
Had to think about it for a minute but I'm pretty sure Senju of the Thousand Hands eas the first YGO card that added on summon and it was indeed in the first year. Ritual support before it was cool.
Voxy should download master duel and take your masochist challenge. I say this as a somone who last played the physical game when Marik starter decks were on the shelf. I took your masochist challenge myself and surprisingly found it to be very educational in relearning the game. Specifically in its design of applying a healthy dose of pressure to find a line to a win condition and build synergy.
It's so weird to compare YGO with MTG because of how their resource systems dictate what comes at a premium. YGO only has 1 normal summon per turn. MTG only has 1 land drop per turn. As such Ultimate Offering is comparable to Fastbond. And Gem-Knight Seraphinite is comparable to Exploration. YGO has no mana so its resource system is more about card advantage. As such, hand destruction is comparable to land destruction. Similarly, card draw in YGO is comparable to fast mana in MTG. And the weirdest part is, when I was starting to learn MTG, I asked a friend if there's a card in MTG that makes you win by drawing your deck. He told me, there's Laboratory Maniac. So yeah, as weird as it is, the unstoppable Exodia is comparable to some non-legendary crazed guy from Innistrad.
Voxy's limited-only background really showed on a few of these. "Wheels are awful because your opponents get cards too". "Thoughtseize does nothing when your opponents are out of cards". It sounds like she's never seen a single constructed match of Magic in her entire life.
I mean, limited is almost an entirely different card game than standard. Add in the way limited is pretty much a single set; yeah it would be hard for Voxxy to apply her limited knowledge to MTG standard let alone a game like yugioh with an eternal format.
I'm right there with Voxy half the time - I love Limited and it skews my evaluations all the time. - Weird enchantment effect that needs specific triggers for value? Absolutely unplayable, never put this in your deck. (It is half an infinite combo that wins the game instantly) - Creature that's mildly above rate and can provide value over several turns? SLAM that shit. (It just gets removed before triggering more than once)
Thoughtseize is a good limited card though. Not a bomb, and maybe not better than a premium removal spell, but it's still an efficient 1-for-1 of taking their best card in hand for just 1 mana (like C+/B- level).
19:29 SHE SAID THE THING! Edit regarding Exodia: In the WCT 2006 game (7 Trials to Glory), if you beat the main championship, you gain access to another location called the Dark World where all your YGO Antagonists hang out. It has its own market which switches character owner every day (you get to buy their respective deck on their day) once you beat that character once if you managed to beat Rare Hunter, he will be in charge of the stall on tuesdays. His deck costs about 20-30k credits and has all pices of Exodia 3x besides the head (1 copy), 3 Torrentials, 3 Raigekis, 3 BOs, 3 Sangan, 3 Wotbfs, 3 Pots, 3 Charities and a few other things. The deck itself is almost good as it is with only a few minor exchanges to make it absolutely unlosable often winning you on turn 1, netting you the 10x turn1win bonus. Downside is: You can only use it in Dark World (Where all earnings are cranked up MASSIVELY) and the only one capable of defeating you would be Rare Hunter if he goes 1st (if you chose to do the Survival Tournament, enemies are picked at random) _Dark World has no Restricted/Banned lists,_ you can use whatever you want to whatever number (still not more than 3)
My theory is they keep Exodia off the ban list not only because of its recognition and history, but also to serve as a sort of warning sign for broken card draw engines or strong search tools. If Exodia starts becoming competitive, you know that Exodia isn't the problem: some card draw engine or search tool is, because if the Exodia deck is competitive then *most* decks are probably doing a bit too well, and as fast as Yu-Gi-Oh is they can't let the game become TOO fast.
Exodia has been competitive in very slow stall decks that do a lot like either draw exodia or deck you out so it's not necessarily beneficial to be fast or slow. Like 3 card destructions with 3 upstart goblins then 3 days of peace and then 3 ups business days equals you win easy peezy.
@@cjyoung5635 That's totally fair, but either way an Exodia deck being competitive is probably a sign that something is rotten in the state of the game, and is likely being abused by other decks as well. Be it card draw or stall that's simply too hard to overcome, it's likely not healthy for the game for the pieces that allow Exodia to be competitive to be rampant.
@@maccaebus I mean the enablers for exodia are never really rampant in comp but definitely rogue, they're usually in a spot where something else in engine does way better but this fits your general need.
Aether membrane from Planar chaos in 2007 “Whenever Aether Membrane blocks a creature, return that creature to its owner's hand at end of combat.” I’m sure cards earlier also given how planar chaos was designed.
The thing about morphing jar is it usually either gets flipped in your main phase or your opponent's combat phase, which means if both of you draw ridiculous monsters, they can maybe play some in second main but they can't attack until their next turn, then you play your Dark Hole and all the monsters you drew and win.
Hand disruption, especially targeted disruption like Forceful Sentry which gives perfect information, is equally devastating in all card games, MtG is no exception. Were I to guess the reason MtG players are so disillusioned to this fact, likely stems from WotC’s unwillingness to ban these effects. Not to say WotC doesn’t recognize them as problematic, they frequently recognize problems they’re unwilling to ban, like Hogaak or Felidar Guardian. WotC openly stated Thoughtseize is one of their biggest design mistakes & sports over 90% winrates when cast on-curve, but overlook it as just being “part of the game.”
13:34 I think offering could come back to 1. When u think about it, the only decks that benefit are stun decks and even so it’s not a floodgate or a consistancy card. Sure u can double summon a barrier statue or a fossil dyna but as soon as u have 1 you’re already doing fine. Floo could play it as a worse dreaming town and play at the start step of battle phase, but by that point they have a negate. Plus dreaming is good since it lets u get to a Raiza to interrupt. The combo piles setting this up turn 1 can do other degenerate things and there’s so many other funny table 500 combos you could do. So, it’s too slow, doesn’t offer consistancy or power to turn 1 decks, and it can only be used turn 2 in battle which is kinda awkward.
Offering can come back to 3, any of the degenerate combo decks that would abuse it, don't want to play trap cards. Maybe Floo would be annoying but Floo's whole gimmick is turning one normal summon into 5 anyways.
@@ДюсековИльяс yes it is a broken card, but u can remove or negate it very easily in modern YGO. It allows for some crazy combos but u can do many other combos, such as setting up Tierra source of destruction or trying to resolve a calamity lock and offering doesn’t let u convo turn 1 like these decks want to do. It is isn’t good until turn 3 or 4 and by that point the game is done.
@@ДюсековИльяс So what? Most modern combo decks can do something close to that already, without having to play a card that doesn't do anything for a turn.
I would love to see what people think of Triple Tactics Talent. -Draw two cards(Pot of Greed) -Take control of an enemy monster until the end phase(Change of Heart) -Look at your opponents hand and discard one(The Forceful Sentry) All on one card, but with a once per turn clause and a minor restriction. And I would say its perfectly fine at 3. Its not even in 50% of ranking decks(on MD at the time of posting)
I feel like if Voxy and CGB played a fast format with Gitaxian Probe, they'd understand why a card like Confiscation(or even the handrip traps) is so busted. Perfect knowledge of exactly what interaction the opponent does and doesn't have up coming at no loss of tempo or card advantage just takes a lot out of a game. Thoughtseize was already insanely good, if Thoughtseize cost a Phyrexian black mana instead, it would be turbo mega giga banned lmao
Also Thoughtseize and most other targeted discard in MTG cannot touch lands so you dont usually get completely ruined on t1 seize taking 1 of your 2 lands, where as game without mana system you can always take the absolute best card to ruin whatever opponent was cooking
Wall of Tears (and its presumably shifted counterpart Aether Membrane) actually work very similarly to Wall of Illusion. Delayed trigger so the attacker gets bounced at the end of combat, after the damage is dealt.
I think "Everything is free" is quite a confusing thing to say to non-YGO players when it comes to evaluating cards. Let's put it in terms of Blue-Eyes. Blue-Eyes (on its own) has always been a fairly mediocre card, even if you limit yourself to only considering it up against other Normal Monsters. Why? Well, because of its cost. Even among only other cards with no effects, where their entire value is their stats, Blue-Eyes' best-in-class stats *don't matter* because you need to spend so many resources - your Normal Summon, plus 2 monsters that you need to get onto the field. "Everything is free" also gets in the way of explaining Extra Deck mechanics; the intended balancing factor behind the upside of Extra Deck monsters being available without the RNG of a shuffled deck is that you need to assemble the resources to summon them, after all. But it's hard to explain that to people if they've been told "everything is free." It's already difficult enough getting across the difference between Synchro, Xyz, Link, and Fusion Summons without overwhelming people, but the best way I've found of explaining it to someone is by referencing the 'resource' they use - Synchro Monsters' resource is summing up the exact right Levels and Tuner/Non-Tuner ratios, Xyz Monsters' resource is getting multiple of the same Level on the field, Fusion Monsters' resource is getting the right combination of Fusion Spell and valid materials in hand, and Link Monsters' defining feature is largely *not* being subject to those restrictions and just needing *stuff* on the field.
Aether Membrane does something similar. 2R and 1 when it blocks a creature, return that creature to it's owner's hand. I'm sure I'll be making multiple posts lol
21:40 you missed the part were if you atack into a defense position monster and your attack is lower than the defense of the monster that is also considered battle damage
Really we need one of these with one of the older format players. No idea if there's any vintage creators up to it, but someone from the legacy range like Bosh'n'roll or Thraben U, maybe even a modern main like Aspirigspike, or someone in between like mengu... Maybe cedh guys like the Spike Feeders or Playing with Power... Because yeah, magic is much slower than Yugioh - but only if you're talking to the lower powered format players. Standard, Limited or Casual EDH players, even Pioneer, are just at a completely different speed. Sure, yugioh is still a lot faster than modern, but the gap gets smaller, and with cedh, legacy, or vintage we're getting pretty close, and i believe that would also make for an interesting video.
My fave from back in the day with Change of Heart was to use it as a pseudo board wipe. Yoink the stronger of my opponent's bigger monsters, run it into their weaker one to remove it, then tribute the stolen monster for a boss of my own. Always felt so good to pull off!
I was really hoping when Time Seal came up that Cimo would slow roll the reveal of it being banned by bringing up how, along with having to have it set for a turn since it’s a trap, you had to basically wait ANOTHER full turn to get use out of it since it can’t be activated before your opponent draws for their first draw phase of the game
Change of Heart -> Magician of Faith -> Flip MoF to get Change of Heart back -> Sac MoF to summon Jinzo = Dealing psychic damage to the opponent back in playground days.
FYI with the wall of illusion comparison... Aether Membrane, Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch, and Wall of Tears. I remember these because 2 I run in Arcades... And 1 i sadly can't... Because for some ungodly reason they decided that membrane is red.
Cimo and Voxy bounce off each other really well, so much that they kept talking for a while after the deed was done and it was very enjoyable to listen to. This was a super fun video to watch. Please keep coming back, love the energy she brings to the format!
Im so happy that Konami released a Once Per Turn version of Monster Reborn, now i can run 4 copies of it in my deck, and three of them are quick spells
I find it funny how Cimo mentioned having multiple copies of the Exodia pieces and if you really would want that when the anime showed us an example of this through the one Rare Hunter character, iirc his name was Seeker, who ran all the Exodia parts at 3 copies alongside a bunch of draw cards and ways to stall out the opponent like Swords of Revealing Light and High Defense monsters to assemble Exodia quickly and only when he was 1 card away from summoning Exodia did he lose because Yugi played Lightforce Sword to banish one of the parts out of hand and he kept bricking on duplicate pieces.
@@stinkygoat2686I want to say that there was a wheel effect printed in commander legends. I am going to go check and report back. Edited, There is a wheel effect in commander legends, Wheel of Misfortune.
She states multiple times she only plays draft, she has never had to play with a prominent wheel of fortune effect, as well as her stating her hate of assisting the opponent
@@stinkygoat2686 There's a wheel effect in Modern Horizons 3, Wheel of Potential. The card is mostly notable for being a mistake that needed errata; by its original wording, you could name any number for X and then each player exiles their hand and draws X. Post-errata, you actually need to have & pay the amount of energy. I can't find a deck currently playing Wheel of Potential in Modern. The energy aggro decks don't make space for it, nor do the energy control lists that are still hanging around at
@@joshuahoots5299 that cards such a headache to read tho. i played for 5 years and read it the first time and could not understand how it worked so. also 1 card from the whole set, in addition to her game philosophy means even if she did see the card while drafting she would have thought it was bad then too. its just a matter of inexperience with that type of effect, and the lack of printings.
Cimo’s gaslighting has become so strong that he gaslighted himself with Jinzo 💀
Yeah, I was caught off guard with that "Correct!" from him. I was like "What? Jinzo was great at the time, but fair enough to stay around."
EDIT: I paused after he said correct and checked the comments. Then I unpaused and he caught himself. lol
@@zanpakutoman4225iirc he did make that mistake in the CGB video that mentioned jinzo
*Cimooo hurt itself in its confusion!*
@@KeshavKrishnanFinding that frustrating is first world problems to the extreme 😂
@ I'm not sitting around thinking about it all the time lmao. But yeah pretty much any ygo opinion is first world problems
Voxy being soooo quick to correctly evaluate cards and then talk herself out of it just as quickly is the emotional roller coaster I never knew I wanted 😅
It is almost like she is a woman...
The hype ADHD energy is going all over the place
Absolute hypergremlin energy 😭
@@lurrielee2755 hypergremlin energy 🤣🤣🤣
One day on a playground somewhere some Timmy was able to change of heart a magician of faith, get back change of heart and use it on Tommy's Dark Magician, tribute both for his Blue Eyes, and then monster reborn Tommy's Dark Magician, and Tommy ran home crying and has continued to cry to this day.
Were you Tommy?
@kylepinpin3037 you're Tommy!!!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I like to imagine that that was the plan, he change of hearts that face down monster, flips it and ITS A MORPHING JAR!!!!
say goodbye to your blue eyes, Monster reborn and that 2nd change of heart!!! screw timmy, tommy for president!!
@@matthiashornke9969you dont have to flip it immediately and youre also privy to private info on your side of the field so you would know immediately once you take control of it so you then just set monster reborn, change of heart and any other useful spell/traps before flipping it
@YukiFubuki. NGL, I was going to call him out on that but I haven't played yugioh in about 20 years, and while I think that's what we always did on the playground, I have no idea if that was the official rule. I'm sure there were many times when Timmies and Tommies not knowing the rules did assume they had to take a gamble flipping it without knowing too though.
"Gimme that dark hole."
"You guys f with the graveyard."
"I pull my guy out."
great quotes brought to you by voxy
Fantastic start to the year lmao
"I show you mine, you show me yours kinda thing?"
"I have a limited brain"
It's only in listening to Voxy so quickly evaluate Ultimate Offering that I realized in MTG this would read as "during your opponent's battle phase all your creatures have Flash and pay 1 life every time you summon with this card."
Better than that really, since in yugioh you only get 1 normal summon. So in mtg it would also say you don't pay their mana costs, since it breaks yugioh resource system as well
Well, the more accurate comparison is Fastbond, where you pay 1 life to make an additional landdrop
@@xolotltolox7626 I'd say more like my beloved Aluren but one sided. With offering you are almost never using it to sacrifice and up to 3 cost is fairly comparable to level 4 monsters.
@@nykthosacolyte5710 more talking about the "paying life to circumvent the thing limited to only once per turn normally"
It's called Sneak Attack
Was so happy to see that clip from the tournament.
Wow i havent seen a cimooo vid all year
I see what you did there
Funny; I haven't seen Voxy all year either. What a coincidence~
I haven’t seen my dad all year, and the year before that, and the one before that
Dad, is that you?
Same bro cant Imagine a year without cimoo
Fun fact: There IS a magic card like Wall of Illusion. It's Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch. It's an old uncommon that's not very noteworthy though.
theres also wall of tears apparently, from stronghold
Æther Membrane as well
But the funny stuff is that you summon WoI into a Blue-Eyes and attack into it, bouncing the two sac monster to the hand 😂😂😂
its obvious she doesnt know mtg deeply. she is just using it as a funnel for followers on her social medias. she could have just as easily branded herself with another card game.
Acererak the Archlich is pretty similar and actuallyis run in some commander decks
@2:14 Damn, I got niche knowledge. There is a similar card to Wall of Illusion in MTG. It's called [[Æther Membrane]]. 1RR, Wall, 0/5, Defender, Reach, "When [this card] blocks a creature, return that creature to its owner's hand at the end of combat."
One of the first MTG cards I ever got back in middle school.
This card sounds like a witch house musician's name, especially with those brackets
I know these cards exist as someone who never played MTG before or since seventh edition.
I was thinking Wall of Tears, the uncommon no one played from 1998, so when she said "there's probably some one-off no one ever heard of and it's from 1999," Voxy kind of nailed that
I like how you assume the scrybot or whatever will pick up the card name.
@@AliceLoverdrive The brackets especially around the name has to do with websites that have Gatherer (effectively the semi-official rulings, and errata database for MTG) integration. so if you are on say the MTG official forums you would put the cards name in brackets like that, and it would give you a link to the Gatherer page (along with a pop out picture of the card) so you didn't need to constantly be stating the given cards text.
Ah, time for another episode of "Magic Player misjudges the value of raw card advantage in a Manaless economy"
I never understand how Magic players see a 0 mana Wheel of Fortune and go "well that obviously sucks"
"While cimo shits on their game the whole time"
@@CasualCoreK as a Magic player who follows into these videos from the crossovers with Voxy & Rarran & CGB, here's my assumptions about YGO:
- There's basically NO direct card draw because there's no mana cost, so even just a card that said "draw a card" probably isn't legal.
- Because there's no card draw, replaying and looping from the graveyard is really good; that's where your card advantage is, so isn't everything a graveyard deck?
- they don't have lands, so there shouldn't be the equivalent of a 1 land/6 spell or 6 land/1 spell non-hand to get wheeled into. Getting hit with a Winds of Change in Magic can really really suck because your get forcibly mulliganed and might just draw a nonfunctional hand, but I don't think that can happen in YGO
- Aren't most of the effects you could activate on your opponent's turn something you had to set on yours? So your wheeled hand isn't a bunch of instants, they get their turn & probably cast more than you did. You get +5 cards but can't use most of them, right? Holding them is useless if your opponent just wins on their turns.
Like, if a player could *choose* to throw the top five cards of their deck into their graveyard at the start of a YGO game, wouldn't most decks say yes to that? Or am I totally misunderstanding the game?
IDK, I could have gone either way. I guess with so little draw and everything being manaless, you really are getting a ton of advantage by hand-dumping and then wheeling. So that seems good, but I could have been persuaded that it was really really bad as well.
Its also essentially the same as all the degenerate wheel effects like ironically enough, Memory Jar, from Urza block that had to be emergency banned for allowing essentially an identical deck in magic to empty jar.
@@51gunnerokay so, you’re right that raw card draw is really good. We have plenty of “draw one” effects, but they usually come with stipulations or activation requirements.
Graveyard is also very good to interact with yes, but while most decks do have SOME interaction with GY, plenty of decks don’t make a reliable use of the graveyard. You’re also right that many players would choose to mill for the chance to draw, since games usually go fast enough that you aren’t at risk of a deck out, and what’s the use of cards that stay in the deck? The deck is one of the least useful locations for a card to be.
Also yes, vast majority of instant speed effects have to be set on the field on your own turn first. Hand traps are an exception, which is why they’re such popular cards to the point of being staples.
I may be wrong on this point but I believe it’s much harder for a pro player to brick their starting hand since they’ll usually have spells and traps designed to search for playable monsters, but an amateur could still easily brick if they don’t know how to build a deck properly
2:59 Wall of Tears was indeed 1998, lol
was thinking the same thing, printed in stronghold, not in ice age, but still pretty accurate ^^
To be honest wall of tears is more like neo spacia grand mole
Holy shit what a hip draw coincidence
I only knew about Æther Membrane, which I thought was cool enough to name my online handle after
@@AEtherPiMy first thought was Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch. I knew there were others, but I actually used Kaijin in a block tournament.
Funny story, back in the day (2010?) there was a mega thread on the Pojo forums that attempted to catalogue every OTK achievable in under 3 cards in the game as both a resource for players and an inspiration for deck building. The OTK list specifically asked players to not include Ultimate Offering because even back then there were too many conceivable OTKs with that card.
Is that where Frog FTK came from?
The pojo list was for garbage otks like Ancient Sacred Wyvern stuff. People in OCG figured out frog ftk day 1 (probably i wasn’t around that back then).
20:48 "AND THAT WEIRD _FUCKING_ *_ROCK_* FUCKED ME UP"
This is amazing, we need her on more episodes
I'm sure most modern Yugioh players can relate
Honestly, I thought this comment was talking about Nibiru until I got to that point in the vid. 😅
everyone's favorite weasel :3
Don't look, janitor from Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide.
Everyone's favorite Rogue cosplayer :3
I'd kinda love to see Voxy and CGB legitimately work together to try and decide bans just because I think it'd be fun to see them try to talk each other in and out of things. CGB trying to convince Voxy that robbin goblin is the most bannable card of all time. Voxy trying to convince CGB change of heart is totally okay. It'd be the greatest comedic duo of all time. I've seen them COMPETE to guess power levels of cards before, but not actually and truly work together. Will combining their powers be a positive, or will they collectively lose braincells. There's only one way to find out!
Ooh, yeah, I like that!
Instead of competing against each other, work "with" each other. Like, they both get a cumulative score and both get a point for what they get right. And 0 or even a negative point for what they get wrong. It would make each agreement so impassioned.
I'm going to steal this and repost it for extra visibility I like it so much.
"You guys fuck with the graveyard" 😂😂
And Alex happily agrees!!!
We really do.
"Gimmie that dark hole," is an absolutely insane thing for someome to say out of context.
"Such a nice wipe"
Came straight to the comments as soon as she said it 😂
@@LonewolfKhujoI came straight too but the comments section escaped aim.
the speed at which I scrolled for this comment once I heard it.
I expected a reply like this here, i'm happy to not be dissapointed XD
Discarding on turn 1 in magic is like a race car driver walking up to another race car driver and stabbing a nail into their tire, and saying "good luck!", in yugioh it's like stealing their wheels.
Nah half the time its stealing the wholeass engine, and selling the catalytic converter at the same time
There's gonna be a non-zero number of people whose favorite moment of this video is Voxy saying "Hell yeah gimme that Dark Hole."
cimooooo: "does it say anywhere there won't be?"
Or the “gimme that right foot” lmao
We need to show her fancing fire ferret (or whirlwind weasle)...for no particular reason😂
I really like doing this in chronological order, as it paints the picture of how drastically different early Yugioh is from modern Yugioh
Yugioh 2 really is the perfect description for it, CGB nailed that on the head at least.
The great part is when you merge eras of the game and throw your opponent off because they aren't expecting older tactics (or cards) and are defenseless against 'em!
Although rare, the anime highlighted this strength of the eternal format; Varis, aka "Revolver" in the VRAINS series, employed several first-year cards to counter his opponents. This was devastating because Link monsters are always in Attack position, which means the likes of Mirror Force wipe the field of those who charge blindly in, and he backed it up with Magic Cylinder too. The man even played Solemn Judgment, so when he said "No.", he meant it!
Play the weird, the rogues, the memes! Just be a good sport and don't be a jerk when you do it, and make sure to have some fun!
I mean playing around mirror force is easy (only lost because anime characters are dumb and dont set up negates or pop the backrow), but yeah Judgment is still awesome and so are all the limited DM staples and formerly limited DM staples @LittlepipMLP
That's what makes series like The History of Yugioh and the Progression Series so fun.
@@LittlepipMLPits alos hilarious how they hyped it up, like he has the perfect counter to link monster and you were left wondering what it was; a skill drain or deck destruction virus equivalent to links, maybe galaxy eyes photon dragon but just against links… no its mirror force
My mind completely blanked on ultimate offering like "surely it has a once per turn" and then i never checked
READINNNNGGGG
If you chain cosmic cyclone or negating the effect, your opponent can just go chain link 3 ultimate offering
You should bring multiple people on at the same time and make them go through these questions in a form of competition
It's a great idea, just often really hard to implement. This is a 1 hour video, but probably 2+ hours of footage. For streamers, this is a large amount of their work time they're giving up for your work. So usually you both will do a collab for each other's channels. That extends the recording time much longer. Add in a 3rd person, and you could easily be asking all of them to use up a half a work day on recording.
Reminds me of the Rarran videos where both Cimo and CGB (separately) evaluated Hearthstone cards and ranked them. Was even funnier because this was before Cimo and CGB got acquainted with each other lol
Can't wait for Cimo showing DAD to Voxy, she guessing it was banned and Cimo telling her she is wrong.
That is omega bait.
33:39 - The better explanation is "With negation, you can still activate Traps but their effects won't work and will go to the GY if they're not Continuous. _Preventing _*_activation_* on the other hand means that you can't even flip them up so they're stuck on the field and can't do anything."
its like the difference between being bulletproof and preemptively removing the bullets beforehand
"and this is the worst of the 3"
afaik, its the only played one in the unlimited format, so prob best now.
I think he meant in the old days where you went through your deck so you could draw back the best card semi reliably
also tearlaments is the best deck in unlimited, so you really don't want to discard any of those
well back in the day sending their monsters to the graveyard meant you had fodder for turn 1 monster reborn into jinzo or summoned skull (And you get to see if they had a board wipe before doing it).
In unlimited it is a bit different since sending cards into the deck is the strongest form of removal vs most competitive decks.
Also regarding The Forceful Sentry, at that point in the game you were still allowed to take notes on the opponents hand etc so you didn’t even have to remember what they had.
For future reference, when an magic player asks how common is trap/spell removal, answer back “about as common as artifact/enchantment removal”, it exists but is more often sideboard or tech
It's interesting, I think Voxy has the most unusual instincts on what's good and what's not in a card game, like 0 mana board wipe or revive sounds busted in any card game, while going 1 for 1 with a random card (time seal) sounds awful, but because of the nature of these videos wanting to be surprising, she performs the best.
Listening to her magic takes makes my brain burn. How long has she played that she's never seen a combo deck use a wheel, what formats has she played that she's never been thoughtseized before?
@@davidy22 Sounds like she just plays limited on Arena. It's a different world than modern or vintage cube, with different boogeymen
@@davidy22she quite literally ONLY plays draft and only just a little while ago started standard with CGB assistance
A byproduct of only playing draft... like ever, she evaluates card pools on a completely different level than someone in yugioh or a regular MTG player would
@@cheeseitup1971 Not just Arena from what I know, but she's primarily a limited (and commander) player.
When Voxy gets annoyed, she goes full Rita Repulsa voice and I love it.
She swears like a sailor. It’s funny.
The weasel is back! Two of my favourite members of the rarren cinematic universe together
What are u yapping
Rarran is a crybaby
You also forgot to mention that one the main reason exodia was so broken in old yugioh was because of pre errata last will allowing to cycle through monster with sangan and witch
There's too many things to mention, like the sanwitch duo being able to proc their effects when discarded via graceful charity back in the OCG
Also, the fewer cards he tells her about, the more cards he can show her in Part 3.
That sailor moon comment about monster reborn is inspired as hell lmao cant unsee it
Voxy starting 2025 off strong with out of context bangers like "Gimme that Dark Hole"
There are two creatures in all of Magic that have the "return a blocked creature" type effect: "Aether Membrane" and "Wall of Tears".
The first is from Planar Chaos and the second is all the way back in Stronghold. So it's not surprising that she wouldn't remember them. Hell I thought it would have been a jellyfish that had that but "Gomazoa" does something else.
okay, imagine if you and cgb present voxy a card each turn, him a magic card you a yugioh, one of them is banned one is not, and she has to pick which one is banned of the two of them.
27:04 she just cooked the ENTIRE card game
Hearing a Magic player complain about a game having too many rules is WILD.
I cannot wait for one of these magic tubers to get to pendulum summoning. If Nirvana High Paladin could destroy the climate, it can destroy their brains.
Or the pendulum Endymion
Cimo: "You don't fuck with the opponent's hand"
*Lovely Labrynth has entered the chat*
@32:50 I love how she explains s card she feels is relevant to call of the haunted and cimos like 'fuck that magic, this is my video - next yugioh card please'
She is so good at this. Interesting to see someone extremely intuitive just nail the right answers, and then explain their reasoning. It feels like as soon as she knows how the card even works she has a pretty damn accurate intuition of how strong it is.
I hope we get to see Voxy again.
Whenever you show Dark Hole, you should show White Hole right after 🤣
35:02 Cimoo: Jinzo was banned!
35:30 Comment Section: Nani?! Jinzo wasn’t ever banned?!
Voxy's Limited brain really hurt her with Morphing Jar. Wheeling is generally pretty good in every constructed format since you're the one who gets to determine when to pull the trigger.
The closest MTG equivalent to Wall of Illusion that I can think of is Aether Membrane. It's a wall and it bounces the enemy creature back to hand after combat.
Their is also Kanin of the vanishing touch from betrayers of kamigawa
There's Kaijin of Vanishing Touch 0/3 and Wall of Tears 0/4 as well.
@@livedandletdie Except wall of tears bounces itself too but ya
Voxy's ADHD is on full display here and it's so relatable
56:06 The most top tier gaslighting of all time.
11:54 at first I thought "I mean, its strong, but like for nowadays yugioh? You mainly special summon so 1 extra normal summon dont exactly matter THAT much"
...Then I noticed the lack of a 'once per turn' clause on it.
Tbh even being non opt it could come back nowadays. It falls into the unfortunate combination of requiring your deck to be built around it to get good value out of it, but also being unsearchable and slow. Like if Gimmick Puppet ftk was allowed to be printed into the modern game, Ultimate Offering is little timmy playground level in comparison.
If you really wanted to go infinite there are much easier and more consistent ways anyway, like just getting out two Morphtronic Telefons lol.
@@JumbaJumby Its searchable
Awkwardly, but you can, and there's more and more ways to cheat it into play turn 1 as well, plus its exactly the kind of card that enables burn FTK horseshit from that position, its not unreasonable that it stays banned, I also think it stays banned for reasons similar to why Yata took forever to come off the list, its likely a yardstick of sorts as to what kind of designs are unacceptable to approach
The Dark Hole and Monster Reborn bans are interesting because for a number of years they would swap places on the banned/limited lists. Dark Hole would be banned for a bit while Reborn was limited, then a new list would come out and Reborn would be banned for a bit while Dark Hole was limited, then a new list would come out again and they'd trade places again. It was weird, and I don't think it ever happened for any other cards.
Voxy: (sees wheel of fortune) "THIS CARD IS SO BAD"
"And it's UGLY!?" Had me rolling Voxy 🤣
41:29 To clarify: Radom discards= fine, Hand Engineering= restricted/banned
42:30 I think most players would say The Forceful Sentry is the strongest hand destruction card because you look at the hand (unlike Delinquent Duo) and you deny graveyard effects / discard effects which funnily probably makes Delinquent Duo the worst of the three.
Forceful Sentry got infinitely better as more graveyard setup/discard interaction became available. Delinquent Duo was undoubtedly far stronger earlier on in yugioh.
Had to think about it for a minute but I'm pretty sure Senju of the Thousand Hands eas the first YGO card that added on summon and it was indeed in the first year. Ritual support before it was cool.
He had to bring "the profesor" one of thesse days. It would be hilarous
Voxy should download master duel and take your masochist challenge. I say this as a somone who last played the physical game when Marik starter decks were on the shelf. I took your masochist challenge myself and surprisingly found it to be very educational in relearning the game. Specifically in its design of applying a healthy dose of pressure to find a line to a win condition and build synergy.
It's so weird to compare YGO with MTG because of how their resource systems dictate what comes at a premium.
YGO only has 1 normal summon per turn.
MTG only has 1 land drop per turn.
As such Ultimate Offering is comparable to Fastbond. And Gem-Knight Seraphinite is comparable to Exploration.
YGO has no mana so its resource system is more about card advantage.
As such, hand destruction is comparable to land destruction. Similarly, card draw in YGO is comparable to fast mana in MTG.
And the weirdest part is, when I was starting to learn MTG, I asked a friend if there's a card in MTG that makes you win by drawing your deck. He told me, there's Laboratory Maniac.
So yeah, as weird as it is, the unstoppable Exodia is comparable to some non-legendary crazed guy from Innistrad.
I'm not sure Voxy's knowledge on old MTG Cards, but I think the most obvious comparison we have to Ultimate Offering is Fastbond.
Voxy's limited-only background really showed on a few of these. "Wheels are awful because your opponents get cards too". "Thoughtseize does nothing when your opponents are out of cards". It sounds like she's never seen a single constructed match of Magic in her entire life.
I mean, limited is almost an entirely different card game than standard. Add in the way limited is pretty much a single set; yeah it would be hard for Voxxy to apply her limited knowledge to MTG standard let alone a game like yugioh with an eternal format.
She has 2 recent vids on CGBs channel of her trying standard for her first time. It's a good watch, and they are very entertaining together as well.
You can tell if you've seen her streams testing Constructed
I'm right there with Voxy half the time - I love Limited and it skews my evaluations all the time.
- Weird enchantment effect that needs specific triggers for value? Absolutely unplayable, never put this in your deck. (It is half an infinite combo that wins the game instantly)
- Creature that's mildly above rate and can provide value over several turns? SLAM that shit. (It just gets removed before triggering more than once)
Thoughtseize is a good limited card though. Not a bomb, and maybe not better than a premium removal spell, but it's still an efficient 1-for-1 of taking their best card in hand for just 1 mana (like C+/B- level).
19:29
SHE SAID THE THING!
Edit regarding Exodia: In the WCT 2006 game (7 Trials to Glory), if you beat the main championship, you gain access to another location called the Dark World where all your YGO Antagonists hang out. It has its own market which switches character owner every day (you get to buy their respective deck on their day) once you beat that character once
if you managed to beat Rare Hunter, he will be in charge of the stall on tuesdays. His deck costs about 20-30k credits and has all pices of Exodia 3x besides the head (1 copy), 3 Torrentials, 3 Raigekis, 3 BOs, 3 Sangan, 3 Wotbfs, 3 Pots, 3 Charities and a few other things. The deck itself is almost good as it is with only a few minor exchanges to make it absolutely unlosable often winning you on turn 1, netting you the 10x turn1win bonus. Downside is: You can only use it in Dark World (Where all earnings are cranked up MASSIVELY) and the only one capable of defeating you would be Rare Hunter if he goes 1st (if you chose to do the Survival Tournament, enemies are picked at random)
_Dark World has no Restricted/Banned lists,_ you can use whatever you want to whatever number (still not more than 3)
I only experience Voxy in these misc. collab videos, and with the prof, but man she has some infectious energy lol. Pretty damn hilarious too.
Check our her drafts with Rarran. The "hearthstone player drafts my deck", they are sooooo great to listen to.
@@matd2892 I'll be sure to check it out some time. I really enjoyed when Cimo drafted her deck, so I'm sure it'll be at least as good lol.
Wait a second, I didn't hear "Life keeps using solemn judgement on my hopes and dreams" in the supporter section, hope they're ok
My theory is they keep Exodia off the ban list not only because of its recognition and history, but also to serve as a sort of warning sign for broken card draw engines or strong search tools. If Exodia starts becoming competitive, you know that Exodia isn't the problem: some card draw engine or search tool is, because if the Exodia deck is competitive then *most* decks are probably doing a bit too well, and as fast as Yu-Gi-Oh is they can't let the game become TOO fast.
Exodia has been competitive in very slow stall decks that do a lot like either draw exodia or deck you out so it's not necessarily beneficial to be fast or slow.
Like 3 card destructions with 3 upstart goblins then 3 days of peace and then 3 ups business days equals you win easy peezy.
@@cjyoung5635 That's totally fair, but either way an Exodia deck being competitive is probably a sign that something is rotten in the state of the game, and is likely being abused by other decks as well. Be it card draw or stall that's simply too hard to overcome, it's likely not healthy for the game for the pieces that allow Exodia to be competitive to be rampant.
@@maccaebus I mean the enablers for exodia are never really rampant in comp but definitely rogue, they're usually in a spot where something else in engine does way better but this fits your general need.
Aether membrane from Planar chaos in 2007
“Whenever Aether Membrane blocks a creature, return that creature to its owner's hand at end of combat.”
I’m sure cards earlier also given how planar chaos was designed.
The thing about morphing jar is it usually either gets flipped in your main phase or your opponent's combat phase, which means if both of you draw ridiculous monsters, they can maybe play some in second main but they can't attack until their next turn, then you play your Dark Hole and all the monsters you drew and win.
Voxy should do voice acting. 100% think she'd be good at it
For those curious,
Here is the final score
Spoilers ahead
8/15
Definitively above average
Bro got a fresh fade and beard line up for his video with voxy.
I think it happened mid-video on Rarran’s channel lmao
@@TaycenTimothyThats was a funny video
Hand disruption, especially targeted disruption like Forceful Sentry which gives perfect information, is equally devastating in all card games, MtG is no exception. Were I to guess the reason MtG players are so disillusioned to this fact, likely stems from WotC’s unwillingness to ban these effects. Not to say WotC doesn’t recognize them as problematic, they frequently recognize problems they’re unwilling to ban, like Hogaak or Felidar Guardian. WotC openly stated Thoughtseize is one of their biggest design mistakes & sports over 90% winrates when cast on-curve, but overlook it as just being “part of the game.”
13:34 I think offering could come back to 1. When u think about it, the only decks that benefit are stun decks and even so it’s not a floodgate or a consistancy card. Sure u can double summon a barrier statue or a fossil dyna but as soon as u have 1 you’re already doing fine. Floo could play it as a worse dreaming town and play at the start step of battle phase, but by that point they have a negate. Plus dreaming is good since it lets u get to a Raiza to interrupt. The combo piles setting this up turn 1 can do other degenerate things and there’s so many other funny table 500 combos you could do. So, it’s too slow, doesn’t offer consistancy or power to turn 1 decks, and it can only be used turn 2 in battle which is kinda awkward.
Offering can come back to 3, any of the degenerate combo decks that would abuse it, don't want to play trap cards. Maybe Floo would be annoying but Floo's whole gimmick is turning one normal summon into 5 anyways.
But it has no once per turn clause so you literally can normal summon infinite amount of guys on your next turn
@@tehy123 exactly, the combo decks aren’t even thinking of turn 3 and floo is offering the archetype.
@@ДюсековИльяс yes it is a broken card, but u can remove or negate it very easily in modern YGO. It allows for some crazy combos but u can do many other combos, such as setting up Tierra source of destruction or trying to resolve a calamity lock and offering doesn’t let u convo turn 1 like these decks want to do. It is isn’t good until turn 3 or 4 and by that point the game is done.
@@ДюсековИльяс So what? Most modern combo decks can do something close to that already, without having to play a card that doesn't do anything for a turn.
goddamn, I have to thank Rarran for introducing he to CGB, Voxy and Cimo
I can't remember any card right now, but that Wall of ilusion effect probably exists in some blue creature...
I would love to see what people think of Triple Tactics Talent.
-Draw two cards(Pot of Greed)
-Take control of an enemy monster until the end phase(Change of Heart)
-Look at your opponents hand and discard one(The Forceful Sentry)
All on one card, but with a once per turn clause and a minor restriction. And I would say its perfectly fine at 3. Its not even in 50% of ranking decks(on MD at the time of posting)
57:23 Ironic that the Forbidden one 🚫 isn’t actually forbidden more like Exodia the Limited one.
15:15 Nice to see Magic players believe we are necromancers, suits the description of a ygo player realy well ^^
"Give me this sh-t! Give me that Dark Hole."
-Voxy.
I love how Voxy asks what levels are called immediately after reading "Gravity Bind"
Kid hiding under the desk running the 39trap and 1 monster deck 33:30😂
57:07 Voxy's escalating expressions here is such a powerful testament to Cimo's delivery of the tokyo dome story
I love how Voxy evaluates cards. Great video Cimo.
I feel like if Voxy and CGB played a fast format with Gitaxian Probe, they'd understand why a card like Confiscation(or even the handrip traps) is so busted. Perfect knowledge of exactly what interaction the opponent does and doesn't have up coming at no loss of tempo or card advantage just takes a lot out of a game. Thoughtseize was already insanely good, if Thoughtseize cost a Phyrexian black mana instead, it would be turbo mega giga banned lmao
Also Thoughtseize and most other targeted discard in MTG cannot touch lands so you dont usually get completely ruined on t1 seize taking 1 of your 2 lands, where as game without mana system you can always take the absolute best card to ruin whatever opponent was cooking
not only that, its thoughtseize that doesn't send to the graveyard and shuffles their deck if they tutored at all
Wall of Tears (and its presumably shifted counterpart Aether Membrane) actually work very similarly to Wall of Illusion. Delayed trigger so the attacker gets bounced at the end of combat, after the damage is dealt.
I think "Everything is free" is quite a confusing thing to say to non-YGO players when it comes to evaluating cards.
Let's put it in terms of Blue-Eyes. Blue-Eyes (on its own) has always been a fairly mediocre card, even if you limit yourself to only considering it up against other Normal Monsters. Why? Well, because of its cost. Even among only other cards with no effects, where their entire value is their stats, Blue-Eyes' best-in-class stats *don't matter* because you need to spend so many resources - your Normal Summon, plus 2 monsters that you need to get onto the field.
"Everything is free" also gets in the way of explaining Extra Deck mechanics; the intended balancing factor behind the upside of Extra Deck monsters being available without the RNG of a shuffled deck is that you need to assemble the resources to summon them, after all. But it's hard to explain that to people if they've been told "everything is free."
It's already difficult enough getting across the difference between Synchro, Xyz, Link, and Fusion Summons without overwhelming people, but the best way I've found of explaining it to someone is by referencing the 'resource' they use - Synchro Monsters' resource is summing up the exact right Levels and Tuner/Non-Tuner ratios, Xyz Monsters' resource is getting multiple of the same Level on the field, Fusion Monsters' resource is getting the right combination of Fusion Spell and valid materials in hand, and Link Monsters' defining feature is largely *not* being subject to those restrictions and just needing *stuff* on the field.
Aether Membrane does something similar. 2R and 1 when it blocks a creature, return that creature to it's owner's hand. I'm sure I'll be making multiple posts lol
voxy is the only that would see a demon coming out of another demon and say "he's tickling him".
21:40 you missed the part were if you atack into a defense position monster and your attack is lower than the defense of the monster that is also considered battle damage
first card mtg
1/3 wall, after it takes combat damage, return any creature that dealt combat damage to this card to their owner hand.
Cimo needs to show Voxy the clip of him beating MBT using Exodia by playing a single card.
Really we need one of these with one of the older format players. No idea if there's any vintage creators up to it, but someone from the legacy range like Bosh'n'roll or Thraben U, maybe even a modern main like Aspirigspike, or someone in between like mengu... Maybe cedh guys like the Spike Feeders or Playing with Power... Because yeah, magic is much slower than Yugioh - but only if you're talking to the lower powered format players. Standard, Limited or Casual EDH players, even Pioneer, are just at a completely different speed. Sure, yugioh is still a lot faster than modern, but the gap gets smaller, and with cedh, legacy, or vintage we're getting pretty close, and i believe that would also make for an interesting video.
Voxy screaming swears is weirdly refreshing on modern TH-cam.
I actually love the comparison voxy made to land destruction, that's a neat way to think about it
My fave from back in the day with Change of Heart was to use it as a pseudo board wipe. Yoink the stronger of my opponent's bigger monsters, run it into their weaker one to remove it, then tribute the stolen monster for a boss of my own. Always felt so good to pull off!
I was really hoping when Time Seal came up that Cimo would slow roll the reveal of it being banned by bringing up how, along with having to have it set for a turn since it’s a trap, you had to basically wait ANOTHER full turn to get use out of it since it can’t be activated before your opponent draws for their first draw phase of the game
Change of Heart -> Magician of Faith -> Flip MoF to get Change of Heart back -> Sac MoF to summon Jinzo = Dealing psychic damage to the opponent back in playground days.
FYI with the wall of illusion comparison...
Aether Membrane, Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch, and Wall of Tears.
I remember these because 2 I run in Arcades... And 1 i sadly can't... Because for some ungodly reason they decided that membrane is red.
Aether Membrane is from Planar Chaos. Colors were all over the place.
@connorhamilton5707 yeah but it's a travesty still that I can't use it in arcades
Cimo and Voxy bounce off each other really well, so much that they kept talking for a while after the deed was done and it was very enjoyable to listen to. This was a super fun video to watch. Please keep coming back, love the energy she brings to the format!
Im so happy that Konami released a Once Per Turn version of Monster Reborn, now i can run 4 copies of it in my deck, and three of them are quick spells
I find it funny how Cimo mentioned having multiple copies of the Exodia pieces and if you really would want that when the anime showed us an example of this through the one Rare Hunter character, iirc his name was Seeker, who ran all the Exodia parts at 3 copies alongside a bunch of draw cards and ways to stall out the opponent like Swords of Revealing Light and High Defense monsters to assemble Exodia quickly and only when he was 1 card away from summoning Exodia did he lose because Yugi played Lightforce Sword to banish one of the parts out of hand and he kept bricking on duplicate pieces.
Voxy's reaction to Morphing Jar is hilarious to me. Like did she forget how good Wheel of Fortune is in MtG?
I don't think wheel effects have really been printed in the last five years. I could be wrong but.
@@stinkygoat2686I want to say that there was a wheel effect printed in commander legends. I am going to go check and report back. Edited, There is a wheel effect in commander legends, Wheel of Misfortune.
She states multiple times she only plays draft, she has never had to play with a prominent wheel of fortune effect, as well as her stating her hate of assisting the opponent
@@stinkygoat2686 There's a wheel effect in Modern Horizons 3, Wheel of Potential. The card is mostly notable for being a mistake that needed errata; by its original wording, you could name any number for X and then each player exiles their hand and draws X. Post-errata, you actually need to have & pay the amount of energy. I can't find a deck currently playing Wheel of Potential in Modern. The energy aggro decks don't make space for it, nor do the energy control lists that are still hanging around at
@@joshuahoots5299 that cards such a headache to read tho. i played for 5 years and read it the first time and could not understand how it worked so. also 1 card from the whole set, in addition to her game philosophy means even if she did see the card while drafting she would have thought it was bad then too. its just a matter of inexperience with that type of effect, and the lack of printings.