I would like to think that shapeshifters has extremely fast regeneration and metabolism rate, that’s how they transform. Hence she is immune to poison. TnT i want Weems back😢
I don’t think Thornhill is dead, we saw her get a boot to the face and that’s it. When Crackstone came back to life Thornhill looked at his ring and gasped, not him. The camera also showed the ring fall to the ground when he died. This ring means something.
One clue was when Mayor Noble Walker said he recognized Miss Thornhill when they were at the Weathervane. She played it off as them both being regulars there but it was most likely because he investigated Laurel and the Gates family years before when he was sheriff. This also made him bring up the Gates file after speaking with Morticia and Wednesday (he already knew the truth when it came to Garrett Gates' death) . He then went to the Gates house because of the call about lights being on. What he saw there and with what happened so far is what made him figure it all out before getting to meet with Sheriff Donovon Galpin.
As Wednesday herself said: "Usually when someone gets killed on their way to tell the police crucial information it usually means they were on to something."
This makes so much sense! Also Laurel being a teacher of poisonous plants and her dad giving Garrett a poisonous plant extraction to spike the punch at the Rave’N. Now i see it
My clue in that scene, was what she said she ordered and was drinking each day, versus what Tyler remembers as her drink.. It was a different drink entirely and I found that sus.. Then because he said she looked familiar and looked at the picture of the family. I knew at that moment.
I really was suspicious of Xavier but the suspicion was cleared when Tyler was attacked by Hyde and somehow only got a scratch on his shoulder since the Hyde has never left anyone living.
tbh I don’t think The Hyde would be that stupid to draw The Hyde out though , is The Hyde transforming into The Hyde and looks into the mirror and though, Hm lemme paint myself. The biggest possibility would be him being the master of it even if he’s suspicious which makes us wonder why, perhaps his father, but I personally think the father is just to make him look suspicious so that there’ll be a plot twist for people who didn’t rly check the details and enjoyed it as a normal drama
Yes I got suspicious to but I always thought it was 1 of they 1s Wednesday 1st thought thought but I was wrong but here is a question how did he hurt himself just scratched himself or did something or somone acctually hurt him and how does everyone barely cry or anything when they get hurt and heal so quick
Yeah but that incident is exactly why I didn't suspect Tyler as the hyde. I thought how could Tyler be the hyde if he was right by her side when she had that vision. Wednesday leaving Tyler was what allowed him to attack Eugene in the first place.
@@shubh8122 No, when she had vision of rowan, it was tyler she touch. So basically, it was shown in episode 1 tyler is the monster. But Wednesday thought she had that vision when she touch rowan, but it was Tyler
Don't you think bad characters talk waaaaay to much? I mean, Wednesday could've died at least 3 times in the last episode. 1. When Tyler wanted to slice her but (of course) he had to wait till Enid came. 2. I have no idea how Crackstone was supposed to kill Wednesday with his wand (by pressure or sth?, cuz it didn't do much except that) but anyway he had to say sth just to give Bianca enought time to stabb him in a back. 3. Laurel comes to the rescue of evil, pointing gun at Wednesday (I really thought she'll shoot her cuz c'mon, it doesn't take long to pull the trigger and I'm sure that would be a great plot twist at the end) but NO. The bee turned out to sooth her rage towards Wednesday immediately and made Laurel wonder where are all these bees coming from instead of just pulling this trigger and then ran away. Also, who shots to bees?
I got super suspicious of Tyler and Thornhill when in the first episode Thornhill mentioned to the mayor that she gets a matcha latte everyday at the Weathervane. Then at the Rave'n when Thornhill says hi to Tyler she tries to cover it up by saying she goes to the Weathervane everyday. Only Tyler gets her drink wrong and says she gets some coffee with sugar and milk instead of a matcha
Yes! This was the first big hint I noticed as well. I suspected her and Tyler the entire time. Tyler became very obvious as the season went on, but they did throw me off a bit briefly with the doctor. 😅
I got suspicious of Tyler very early on, because he was too nice, a normie, and his character didn’t make much sense on the story. But, instead of Thornhill, I suspected the therapist.
I was sus of Tyler when I first saw him. He seemed too good to be true, casually too soft and nice. The scene where Tyler is in the tub and is talking about inner demons and therapy got me VERY Suspicious of him. That's the scene where I think I mentally confirmed my theory. He also kept ominously mentioning his mother with no explanation of what happened to her. I figured his mother was someone who went to the school because of the empty explanation of that throughout the season. He also shows up at the strangest times and was WAY too interested in Wednesday without even really knowing her. At least Xzavier had reasoning and showed constant obvious acceptance to her.
Bro I had the same thing with Tyler he was easy to figure out. But that redhead girl with the glasses was way too easy to figure out like the moment they mentioned a second person it took me like 5 minutes to figure it out. I was screaming whenever they thought it was the therapist
@@brooklynnmiller4984 yeah she was way too emotionless too when she asked if Eugene was still alive after he was attacked and it just didn't make sense how she was there at that exact moment
Games of Thrones in the house. She was fantastic than and firm on Wednesday. So happy to see her on the Wednesday. I hope we have a second season and she comes back. She is a Shape-shifting.
Something my wife pointed out that made her suspicious of Thornhill was how she mentioned to the mayor that she always came in for her daily matcha latte. Then when Tyler saw her he mentioned she came in daily for a completely different drink.
I just must say, I am SO glad they actually stayed true to the name Werewolf in this show, a lot of shows call their creatures "werewolfs" but often times they are just dire wolfs or half breads, Enid was a full force Werewolf and I loved every second of it! (also, I laughed my ass off when she dropped kicked Tyler).
So I think that laurel is definitely alive. Because she only got attacked by bees and Wednesday then stepped/kicked into her face but she never took the gun to kill her. So I’m sure that she will come back
She swore to thing that whoever did this will suffer slowly and then she just goes home for summer. She loves funerals but skips weems’?? Ugh so many things keep bothering me. I need to be a writer but I’d probably drive everyone I work with mad.. smh
i can't understand how i didn't suspect Tyler at all until his own confession. like even when Wednesday saw a vision of him being the Hyde. I thought it was just a wrong vision, as Goody said, you start to see darkness or something in everyone. But Tyler being the Hyde made so much sense. Cause he always been there. And even before they got too close, he started initiating the romantic relationship with Wednesday. At first I thought, if he didn't love her actually, then why he didn't killed her earlier or why did he protected her from Rowan. But then I realized that if she was dead they wouldn't be able to bring back to life that pilgrim. And I also noticed that when Wednesday asked Tyler about the gate showing the picture, Tyler said he have no idea. When he actually knew that it was the house of his master. Xavier did tell Wednesday about the location of that gate, because he was not the hyde obviously
But one question is still unclear. Why did he wanted to kiss her two times ? I mean he knows that if she touches him that she will get a vision. So why did he tries to kiss her twice ? It doesn’t make any sense. Expect if he loved her even a bit. Iam still hopeful that they’re will be end game and that his new master will be Wednesday if Lauren is really dead. It would be so cool to see more abkommt Tyler and his character deployment.
@@emmi3058 I think because he wanted wedsendsy to know he’s the Hyde. I always suspected Tyler because seemed sketchy to me. I think Thornhill was using him to get close to her sense she’s the key. If he could suduce her, she’d go with him wherever.
My guess is Wednesday is his new master. Since Wednesday liberated him from his previous liberator, thus the end scene where he was in the vicinity of Wednesday.
@@emmi3058 I do think that Tyler is beyond the salvation, because he confessed he didn't liked being monster at first, but then he was enjoying it. The only way I can see to him being seen as good character would be really long process to redeem himself. I am not sure if he was aware of Wednesday having visions because of touch - I would need to rewatch to check if she ever told him... but regardless of that he played with her and it was a game for him, game he thought he won. So torturing her with making her fall for him make sense
There was a big clue in episode 7 where the mayors kid tells Wednesday that his father saw Laurel at outreach day and in that episode he officially meets miss thronhill and asks her if they have meet before
There’s another scene where Thornhill sees Tyler the first time at the coffee shop and says “hi Tyler” and covers up and says he knows her from ordering coffee.
Also something you missed. In the last scenes where Wednesday is driving off, her driver Lurch has different eyes from when we saw him the first time. He appeared to be fully blind (completely white/gray eyes) and cross eyed. In those last scenes he looks forward and his eyes are very dark. Maybe its not him but rather a certain shape shifting principal that mightve survived some poison. Or maybe someone else entirely
@@Littlegreetings but Tim only directed 4 first episodes ;) I've heard about crazy theories about Lurch and I don't really like them, so I hope it have been mistake... Hopefully we will see in next season(s)
i realized tyler was the hyde when he got "attacked" in the old gates house, before him all the attacks that happened left two or three slashes on the victim which meant they were slashed by another person since the thumb and pinky fingers are shorter and wouldn't make contact with any victim but when tyler got attacked he had five slashes on his chest which meant the hyde hadn't slashed him and if you do a motion of slashing your own chest you will notice all your five fingers make contact with the skin
You just made me think completely different about the scene I thought it was shady because xaier came up but we saw thing lead him there , the 3 slashes defeatly show he would’ve inflected that on him self THANKK YOU❤️😭
I knew Tyler was going to be The Hyde when it essentially saved her from the Telekinetic kid. He was running along with her and stopped… he was always there or nearby for the attacks. When they talked about a Hyde being controlled I thought of thornhill due to her interest in Wednesday
Tyler's nose is unique and I just kind of looked at his face and the Hyde's face to compare; it literally looked like they mutated Tyler's face to be the Hyde.
I just assumed it was Tyler cause that’s normally how these shows go and then I knew Thornhill was involved when she gave Wednesday the Frankenstein book after specific body parts were taken from the victims
I noticed something was up with Tyler when he had those teeny tiny slashes on his chest, but all of his victims were practically turned into freakin’ manwich
I also knew something was up when he stated he also had court appointed therapy. There had to be something very traumatic in his life and clearly he had lashed out before by the court appointed therapy.
I really hope some part of Tyler wasn't all bad, laurel really manipulated Tyler to the person he is in the series and made him think all of the outcastes and Wednesday were bad. so I hope in season 2, he realizes they aren't as bad as laurel made him think. also I really hope some part of him actually liked Wednesday! they were so cute together! I really hope he gets a redemption arc in season 2!
I actually thought Xavier and Wednesday looked cuter togther and would end up together despite how whiney he was. Even her uncle acknowledged the Chemistry. Did he not make her blink? I feel like he brought out some human in her despite how sociopathic/psychopathic the character originally is.
i hope he realizes the outcasts aren’t bad either, but i also hope that Wednesday doesn’t choose him. i feel like she should choose Xavier, he’s been on her side the whole time and it’s obvious that he likes her🤭
I knew Thornhill had something to do with the murders the moment that the sheriff talked about the Gates family and how Laurel 'drowned overseas'. It just sounded like the classic plot twist where she is still alive and seeks revenge. Thornhill was already one of my suspects but that scene just confirmed, because of her weird behavior and her being a normie in the outcast school
I'm sure the stalker is Tuesday. he's always one step ahead of Wednesday. and Moonday will probably help Wednesday. she already did at the end of season 1.
I didn't think it was Xavier because his reasoning of the Hyde coming alive to scratch him from his art made sense, plus since Wednesday found out about his art hideout ages before he wouldn't keep using that space to create new sus artworks/leave more clues if he was the actual Hyde, and then of course in that last bit the evidence was way too obviously planted to frame him. But this still begs the question of why was he there at every convenient/sus moment 😂 -- was it bc he was stalking Wednesday since he's into her lmaooo?? I totally fell for it possibly being the therapist bc she's so creepy though (and blonde like Laurel in the old photo) lol...
remember when Wednesday said he was psychically connected to the Hyde? I feel like he bonded with Tyler when he attacked him a year prior, and it subconsciously draws him where the Hyde is. (Just my theory, heard it hear first)
+ Xavier was most definitely predicted the future. In one of the episodes when Wednesday and him were shooting arrows he said ‘what’s with you and Tyler?’ ‘Stay away from him’ (around the lines of that) like he had already knew the danger. During the part where he went to the therapist and said ‘I had a dream you were dead!’ Sealed the deal for me as she did die moments after. It was also interesting that Xavier could draw the door of the mansion, the cave and many photos of the monster.
@@TheBlindBandit-e8v omg yeah that's so true!!! i wonder if it's his powers?? I'm not sure why/how his art comes to life like what class that's under, but he did say his dad was a psychic, so I wonder if he inherited some of that! and/or maybe Tyler was purposely haunting him a little from earlier on somehow in order to frame him later, who knows...
@@allyeatworld that makes quite alot of sense! I think Xavier definitely has some interesting unanswered questions about him. We don’t know his family, we don’t know his exact powers, we don’t know his relation with the Hyde. Tbh I really hope we’ll get to explore more about Xavier in series 2!
you know what's funnier is that since xavier was there after every attack, we, as the audience was made to think that he was the hyde (including me. i totally thought he was, except for the last obviously planted evidence.) but the way tyler was absent from/after every attack, should've been a giveaway. like sometimes silence (here, absence) is louder. and everytime xavier was present, his presence was justified unlike tyler's absence.
I've just rewachted the entire series and in the episode about the RaveN, there is some foreshadowing about Tyler and his mom being a Hyde. In the scene where Tyler picks up Wednesday, while he is waiting for her to get dressed he stares at the picture of his mom on the fencing team. This is only a clue when you watch it for a second time tho, because it looks like he's looking at Morticia
The stalker is Xavier’s father. Super famous psychic (and his son said he’s his father’s PR nightmare). He IS definitely keeping tabs on Wednesday (for many reasons: she attracts too much attention to herself, to his son, from him and I could go on) Threatening Wednesday could keep her and Xavier apart. I have no clue if the fact she has eyes on her will play a part on Season 2. The School needs rebuilding, the community needs reassurance and there are more much larger things at play when an armored truck has a Hyde being transported. People are too worried about Tyler and Ricci being back. That would be beneath the show. My only sadness is Gwendolyn leaving the show. OMG, she was stunning.
The fact that Tyler woke up and Hyded up when Wednesday was around also could mean that Miss Thornhill is dead and Wednesday is the new master of the Hyde :) I think it was a little suspicious
@@kshithiyathish i honestly mainly agree with the manipulation thing and him being more or a good guy, but we'll have to see where the story goes, but honestly I really wish he does have a redemption arc too
@@kshithiyathish I mean ig if you’re ignoring that he legit told Wednesday he “liked it” and “how does it feel too lose” in the police station, without her around.
@@meadowcarbone4731 I think he was manipulated there. And besides he didn't have an other choice, Wednesday already found out and it's not like she's going to believe him if he tells her that he was abused or manipulated. So he basically had to do this because if he wont thornhill or lorrey will be mad and since shes his master she could do something bad to him so yeah. I think we should wait for season 2.
@@meadowcarbone4731 they related his monster to Jekyll and Hyde, so I could imagine them bringing his innocence in the matter into play. If you watch his confession again, his facial expressions are inconsistent and his words sound more like something that would come out of Laurels mouth, rather than his.
One clue I noticed was the black flower Tyler gave Wednesday during their crypt movie date in ep 7. It's the similar to the black dahlia Thornhill gave her in ep 1.
I think it's interesting to see all the foreshadowing that I... completely missed. Yet still knew she was the villain just because she had zero reason to be there otherwise. Like if you just analyze the common movie/tv tropes, the villains become obvious. Always keeping in mind one thing: There has to be a twist at the end. In fact, twist endings are SO commonplace in TV these days, that the only real twist left, is for there not to be a twist. Weems was the hardass teacher that actually cares a great deal about the academy and its students. It seems like they might be setting her up as the villain, but she's an obvious false lead. She can't be the villain because she's the one whos set up to punish the protagonist in some way until eventually coming around to the protagonist's side. The Therapist and Xavier were obvious false leads. Psycho-killer therapist has been done to death so they set her up in a very obvious way to make her look like a suspect, she's a misdirect. Xavier had a pile of evidence pointing to him, so again, a misdirect - shows always have a twist and making xavier the antagonist isn't a twist. Meanwhile Thornhill is too chummy and too forced into many of the scenes to not be important, and yet she doesn't do anything. She appears to just want to be nice and support the protagonist, but she doesn't actually have any real chemistry with Wednesday, nor any reason to like her over any other student. So the only other options is that she's prying and keeping tabs. Tyler has the same problem. He's overly friendly and nice to Wednesday. He behaves more like a little puppy dog than Eugene, who's the awkward nerdy character who would typically fit that role. He's the overly supportive love interest who's always there for Wednesday and always kind and sweet and there to lend a hand... even after nearly dying. Characters like that often end up the villain (at least in teenage dramas). They try to show his 'angry' / emotional side with his father, but that's the only real time we see him display any serious level of emotion. He could have fit into a more heroic trope, been the loyal puppy-dog boyfriend who protecc and attacc. But we never actually see him doing anything really heroic to hit that trope. Keep in mind people find Wednesday so abrasive that even Eugene (the quiet nerdy trope - a character who's usually a bit of a doormat) has a moment where he 'rebels' against Wednesday out of frustration because she abandoned him to go to the dance. Tyler meanwhile is always nice, always there for her, always kind - even after nearly dying. Good traits to have in a partner in real life maybe, but it makes for boring tv/movies - those characters always end up turning out to be the villain. Very common twist for the 'nice' guy to be just using niceness to manipulate the situation.
agreed. However, i thought that Thornhills' interest in Wednesday had simply to do with getting Christina Ricci lots of screen time. So that threw me. I figured the monster was a "normy," though and first two episodes thought might be therapist or sheriff.
@@jarlfenrir without guessing? Tyler was obvious from episode 1 and the continued forced insinuations on Xavier had me reeling from laughter. It was incredibly on the nose that I had 90% figured out by episode 2. Once Wednesday went to the morgue and that certain bodyparts were removed it was obvious that there probably was more to the murders then just a ferral monster. There was a very subtle clue in an early episode where Sheriff Galpin mentioned a report that the lights were on at the old Gates house. Then we get the parents-weekend episode and (almost) everything about it clicked: The little sister was likely alive (the no body=secretely alive-trope), resented Nevermore/Addams family. Who seems the most likely suspect? The one with means and motive: who has access to the school and students and happened to be a new and first Normie-teacher dealing with deadly and toxic plants? Thornhill. Who else used toxic? Ansel and Garrett Gates. At first I thought Thornhill might've even been the undisclosed mother to Tyler, but that wasn't the case - she did call herself "mama" though to Tyler. Knowing this I also figured out that Tyler's romantic date with Wednesday was a set-up the moment we saw her get back to her thrashed room and Thing being stabbed. Because again: means and motive. Thornhill had access AND she knew that the room would be empty as Enid told her she was staying at Yoko's room. She didn't account for Thing and thus he got stabbed.
Hyde’s eventually kill their masters and go crazy. Though we did not see Miss Thornhill die, the connection between them could have ended due to distance or he was finally powerful enough to break the connection on his own
I think it was the perfect story line. It made you suspicious of Tyler but also Xavier because Wednesday did have good solids on that. But thornhill also got me thinking. It just really pulled you in. Can’t wait for season 2
Another interesting clue: the person who takes out Mayor's life support does it with a left hand. And right in the very next scenes when Thornhill decides to do meet Wednesday to ask her side of the story (about Enid moving out), she closes the room door with her left hand!
Actually when the mayor told Thornhill that she seemed fimiliar to him, it was probably because he was already acquainted with the original Gates familiy, so she probably reminded him of their daughter
Hmmm. If they remember to follow up on the vague side stories (The Principal's hate of Morticia. The Siren cult. Ect) then this could end up being freaking amazing! Bonus points if they allow/give Wednesday the Book of Shadows that belonged to Goody. XD
Also, at least in the polish translation the flower that Thornhill gives Wednesday in the beginning (in polish Czarna Dalia) has the meaning of betrayal.
You know, I like that the series doesn’t tell us in the face if it was ALL Laurel’s control over Tyler or if some of it was of his free will and maniacal tendencies. I mean, he said to Wednesday in the police department that he remembered what he had done after several transformations and he liked what horrors he had done. At that time after he said that he blinked and his expression changed, so I thought that maybe Laurel can make him say things by their mind link. But no, after all of that Tyler wanted to kill Wednesday in the woods and there was no regret at all. So I choose to assume now that he does have maniacal tendencies and some part of him really knew everything and was aware of what he was doing. He didn’t really like Wednesday, but was just playing his role. And I don’t mean JUST his Hyde part of himself - his human one knew as well. It WAS manipulation on Laurel’s side, but Tyler initially has had this maniac inside of him and he welcomed him with no filters for his crimes, all by himself. And I like it, because it breaks the stereotype about “the good boy” so nicely for this show, it suits it so well. And this is one more reminder for people also that if someone does nice things for you and act well it doesn’t always mean that you know them fully. If this is correct, I’m in love with this series.
i have heard some poeple argue about the ”he’s expression changed adter talking to wednesday” part. i think hes just acting when hes being nice and when he was talkin to wednesday at the police station, that was the actual him
Yeah I was wondering that too I lean towards more he willingly killed. Just because of the ball scene where Tyler explained his past. Wednesday told Tyler she wouldn’t have just pulled a silly joke but done worse (something along those lines), which he was doing.
I think Wednesday's stalker is someone we haven't met yet but likes her. We all know how Garett started stalking Morticia, so, maybe Wednesday has a a stalker that likes her.
Could be, but it could also be background boy character. Like you said there was the whole thing with morticia being stalked by garrett in her school days so I also feel like it will be a similar plotline. The texts they sent also seem to imply they go to nevermore.
I don't know if it's possible for the hyde to change master, but it would be amazing if it happens I also wish that there would be another monster/killer in season 2 who either wants to kill Tyler and the outcasts/Wednesday or wants to kill Wednesday and Tyler wants to keep her safe(her being his new master would fit perfectly with that), this 2 possibilities would allow them to work together again even if she doesn't trust him and to get close again
Head Master Weem’s death doesn’t sit well with me, I hope there’s more to it. She’s the head of school for magical kids, a shapeshifter, and a long time survivor herself. Surprise attack or not, she would have never been fit to run the school if she could really have beaten so easily, night shade or not.
I had a feeling Tyler was the Hyde cause before the kissing scene, his eyes just looked a bit larger than usual and that's when I saw the resemblance. Kudos to the artists who created the monster.
Yea, i mean after all Xavier might asked his dad to buy the phone for him so he can gifted it to Wednesday, who else know her phone number beside xavier and his dad🙇🏻♀️👆🤷🏻♀️
But just as a side note, picking up Xavier for a therapy session in the middle of the woods, always made her seem a bit on the unprofessional side. And then her collection of dressed up stuffed roadkill🫤.
I already knew that Xavier wasn't the hyde. I thought it was Thornhill. But I never thought it would be Tyler! I caaaant! I was expecting a sweet ending, him being with Wednesday 😭😭😭
U missed the clue when Wednesday bumped into tyler in the dance (cause there's a panick from the fake blood rain) then she saw the vision of Eugene about to be killed.
Another clue was the black dahlia that Thornhill gave Wednesday in episode one. The black dahlia flower is named after a famous unsolved murder, as Wednesday explained in episode one. Well, as we know, Laurel Gates was also an unsolved murder as she was presumed dead, but her body was never actually found. By episode 8, we obviously find out that Thornhill is Laurel, and the “unsolved murder” was solved. I think it’s really smart that Thornhill gives Wednesday a black dahlia as a foreshadow to what we find out in episode 8
What if Tyler mother isn't dead and the Insmuth looking woman that droped of the hiker in the woods actually are her? She could be the stalkar. Or she and biancas mother might work together.
With white oleander there is one more hint. My daughter spotted that. It is connected to flower code. This flower is having few meanings and one of them is: happiness someone is leaving us. In this case our main villainess could capture Wednesday (and she planned that!), so nobody would be able to stop her plan. In other words this flower was farewell gift with double meaning. Not only that we got as explanation in this scene.
I knew it was Thornhill when in the 2nd or 3rd episode she went down to the Nightshade secret back room and being a normie she knew way too much about a secret society.
That’s what I thought too. I didn’t expect the master thing as it was obviously a later development. But I suspected her as the monster. I realised that she was laurel bc a vial of night shade used by the son to kill the outcasts in the raven dance in the 90s was poisonous and she was a specialist. As the idea of her not being dead was brought up in the next couple of episodes
I suspected Tyler was a villain on EP.4 at the Rave'N. When Wednesday touched him while dancing she got a vision of Eugene getting attacked 👀 and after that, he was telling Wednesday the old story about him and his friends harassing Xavier and saying "I'm not a bad person". That's when I knew 100% he wasn't showing who he truly was, and episodes later it was an obvious hint when he got scratched by the Hyde at Gates' house. The monster NEVER let a victim alive after attacking them 😚
When Wednesday was in the car in the last episode going home, Lurches eyes rolled back and from the other movies we know lurch has a sixth sense (sensing danger) this means that he could play a big part in the next series like thing did in season 1.
I felt like it was her but not because of all the clues but because she was the original Wednesday of the live action films.. I knew they'd give her a twisted role🤣
This 1st season was fantastic. Had me eager for more after each episode. That said, what has been on my mind, during the dance when they got pranked and Eugene was being attacked, tyler was at the school also covered in red paint while Wednesday ran off to go find Eugene, so who was attacking Eugene during that time? My bet is Tyler's mother is still alive and was also working with Thornhill. Which might also explain why Tyler is still able to transform after Thornhill got her ass kicked, but then again we don't know if she's still alive or not. I also suspect Bianca's mom is in on something. Excited for season 2!
Thornhill is the one who blew up the cave. She snuck out and back into the dance. Notice she didn't attack him when she first discovered him. I think she was in a hurry to get back to the dance, maybe as part the plan, or maybe she was coming to get Tyler. She didn't go after anyone herself until after Wednesday had negated all her tools (Tyler, Crackstone). I don't think anyone was actually chasing him at that point. Just the terror at almost getting caught and being out in the woods at night drove him. Then after Wednesday had the vision, Thornhill set Tyler on Eugene. The Hyde can move much faster than Wednesday, and so was able to get ahead of her and attack Eugene.
She got the vision when she bumped into Tyler. Which was a clue that he was the monster because her visions only trigger when she touches a certain object or person that is involved in what had happened or what is to happen.
Before even watching I assumed Christina Ricci's character would be the main antagonist, with her being a previous Wednesday. Especially once I saw the credits and read "WITH" Christina Ricci. Usually when shows do that that actors character has a larger part then the show gives on. Think S1 of Only Murders in the Building with Amy Ryan.
From the first episodes i always thought the monster was the teacher. Later, paying a little more attention, i was convinced the monster was Ryan. Ngl,at the end, they almost made me think that the one controlling him was the psychologist. But then he killed her and when they almost caught Tyler, it all felt a little too easy to be just that. At this point i was like: yup.. you better kill that bxtch or she gonna do something stupid. But resurecting Crackstone? Didn't even cross my mind.:)) Sadly it was kinda too easy defeating him.
I cant wait to see the character development for all the characters tbh. I think Tyler was heavily manipulated since Laurel unleashed the inner Hyde in him. But I have a feeling there is a way to control it and I think Tyler won't be forever the bad guy, I do believe there is always another villian behind Tyler. But yeah Laurel I doubt will be dead. I wonder who will be the new Headmaster or Headmistress might be the villian. Who knows 🤔
Yeah Tyler was manipulated by her, because the first time he became a Hyde he didn't know anything and know he has fallen to deep inside his bad side. It must be hard for his father to lose his son to .
For anyone interested the ring worn by Crackstone was originally produced by Clocks & Colours a few years ago it’s called the Kraken and came in Silver, Stainless Steel, and Brass.
Stalker is the sheriff. I’m sure of it. He clearly had an agenda and is probably upset about his son and the well-being of Jericho depleting. He has obvious reasons to be upset. But that’s just me.
I can't believe no one has mentioned that the Hyde looks just like Beetlejuice when he turns into the snake (Tim Burton, so it makes sense), and Joseph Crackstone looks like the Leprechaun when he comes back. Also, Ms. Ortega is friends with the girl from the Sia videos, and her co-star Enid looks just like that girl. Am I missing something?
No one has mentioned it (the design of the Hyde) looking like snake Beetlejuice because it's massively obvious LOL it's not like that was some kind of small little Easter egg.
They did a great job with the hints because all also alluded to themes of the episode so it was a bit tricky to determine if she was the villain or if she was just making note of themes within the episode. For example, the sexual trickery - was a clue to who the Hyde was so I focused on that as opposed to her being the villian. It was well done.
I was suspicious the minute I saw the daughter's picture. So I listened to see what sup "happened to her," and that seemed hinky. Had no idea who she actually was until the end but knew it was going to be the daughter. Really wish I knew what happened to Tyler's Mom.
i CALLED IT AT THE MUDDY BOOTS. The rest was pretty easy to Guess. i however got hungup on the hyde. Having two of them threw me off enough, but everything else i called pretty fast when i watched it. Good though. Season two will be cool i hope.
This series did a great job at EXPANDING the Addams family world without stomping on the previous versions too much. Great red herrings, depth of characters, humor and mystery. Mostly I’m interested in the character arcs, who will replace the headmaster? Will Pugsly go to the same school? There are significant things that can come into play for the future…..Goodys book, Nathaniel Faulkner's diary of creatures, Crackstones Ring, the saber used to kill Garrett, uncle festers next “incognito” vehicle, her necklace, her goth outfits, her psychic abilities maturing(one kid had telekinesis and another could bring images to life). What other kind of easter eggs will Burton bring back from the past? Cousin IT? Joel Glicker? Debbie the serial killer? The dreaded Disney film montage? Goth Pocahontas and Indians revolting and decimating all of the pilgrims? The lemonade stand? the new addams baby? guillotines!?!?!
Another hint about it being Tyler was that right after finding out Wednesday had the diary, he asked her on a date to get her out of the dorm. That way thorn hill could go and steal the diary while they were out.
This is the first netflix series that really got my attention. I was planning not to watch the movie because I thought it's only friendship and how she might open up to people... but no, it's much deeper than that. This kind of genre really intrigues me. Waiting for season 2... they better make it or else as Wednesday said I may die in suspense...
Is it just me or did the show deliberately leave out the explanation for Xavier's psychic connection with Tyler? Not sure if I dozed off during the exposition...
Did anyone else think it was strange Lucas' dad was running Pilgrim World ? Cause lets be blunt they would not have seen Lucas and his parents as equals or the only people who would look like Lucas' family would have been slaves.
Yeah as a fellow black person myself, I was utterly shook when the Lucas, apparently the only black teen in this town, said his dad OWNED Pilgrim World 😭😭 me and my mother were like “ain’t no way he said that with his chest”
I found this odd at first too but then if you think about historically, there have been prior slaves turned businessmen who boasted owing it to their previous owners. Seldom, and sad, but true. So I feel like Lucas' father just might've been from a more "forgiving" family, if that makes sense. Still a perplexing narrative but I - think - that's what the aim was?
Right you are Karen! Because in a series with werewolves, telekinesis, resurrection and a sentient hand that exists independently and can understand the people around him - realism and historical accuracy is truly that important
@@Syrum bro slow your condescending ass down, jeez. It's actually not that unreasonable for them to ask about historical accuracy -- and the problems that have occured throughout history -- when the show itself brings up said issues. Point and case being the fudge scene where Wednesday tells the tourists that the chocolate business is extremely exploitative and detrimental to Indigenous people's. So yeah, let them worry about historical accuracy WHEN THEY CAN APPLY IT and check your attitude, damn And before you say anything about my attitude I'm just matching your energy.
When I watched the first episode my dad said it could be Tyler because the monster has curly hair in the front. We also suspected thorn hill because once we found out about there needing to be a master, we figured since no body was found of laurel, Thornhill would be the right age and Kimbott wouldn’t do it.
@@Sleepycreator0433 that seems unrelated, _everyone_ met Wednesday after the murders started; the motive would be exactly the same: getting revenge on the school for what happened in the past. We just didn't know WHO was Laurel.
tbh, I quite liked Tyler a lot. Maybe in the next season, he recognises Wednesday as someone he actually likes and manages to survive without killing anymore people. Can't wait for season 2!
Theory, stalker could be someone new but seeing how sneaky the producers were hiding the mystery role of Tyler (tho kind of expected he'll be connected to Nevermore with his mother, but it was already more or less late when I concluded hes the Hyde). They probably already implanted a plot in season 1 that they will be heading in season 2. Definitely agree with the open ended characters, Bianca's mom, Mayor's son, and weirdly Yoko. A vampire. Enid said some of them were literally been there for years, so, who knows who would be plotting more on the Addams family? I have to say about Principal Weems too, she still got unresolved beef with Morticia. Unless that's just it, there might be more to see. Xavier gave the phone to Wenz and already saved his number. That means, the stalker is from Nevermore as well. And I have three possible suspects. Principal Weems, Yoko and/or Rowan's still indeed alive. As for Rowan... He had anticlimactic death for someone who vowed to kill Wenz for his mother's sake. Other than that, there's plenty more to suspect but I'll be keeping it for now. Other theories: I have a feeling Tyler would be a new student of Nevermore (Tho I hope they wont be giving Wenz love interests anymore, she seems to be aroace. And if there should be anyone, I agree with everyone sayin Enid being the healthiest bond/development with her so I dont mind either way.) Laura wont be back for the sequel not sure why I think so but I'mma gonna keep it to myself More Addams family activities More Enid and Wenz mystery solving activities. Coz everyone agrees their dynamic is the best in the series New characters
It would make sense for the stalker to be Yoko, cause a new caracter would kinda be obvious and there is a few caracters that can be trust(at least I hope so), Xavier, Enid and Eugene can clearly be trust as well as Ajax and Bianca and the syrens and the mayor's son seem to be trust worthy(Bianca doesn't seems to have anything more than an academic rivalry with Wednesday, the syrens follow her and the mayor's son seems to want to do better and get closer to Bianca)
I mean, the stalker should be someone who knows Wednesdays number. Question is: who does? I mean, I just don't think, Xavier told everyone the number, why would he? So how is it possible? Btw, I just realised, it would be super easy for Wednesday to find out if the Stalker is from Nevermore. She just needs to ask her friends if anyone knows the unknown number xD
Yeah I love the dynamic between, Wednesday, Enid, and Thing too, Enid’s all bubbly cheery and fun to be around, Wednesday’s all moody scary and has a dark exterior, and Thing is the middleman of those 2, and it has my 3 favorite characters in the series with the most screen time 3. Thing 2. Wednesday 1. Enid
I don't think Enid should be Wednesdays love interest, they just have such a beautiful friendship dynamic. And Enid is with Ajax, so I definitely think Wednesday will not focus on love interests next season or it'll still be either Tyler or xavier 😂
In the Tim Burton films and recent CGI animated movies, the members of the Addams family had some kind of supernatural invulnerability that allowed them to playfully attack each other with knives, bombs, guns, poisons, fire, etc. They're seriously depowered into quirky but highly skilled people for this version.
True, I realised that too! Always when Wednesday was about to die, I was like "can she even die?". But yeah, if course she can but I really don't mind this change in the series! ^^
I ended up watching it twice. I suspected mrs thornhill the first time and didn't really buy the mrs kimbot thing. it remained a suspicion for too long tho. what stood out to me the second time is the Eugene timeline. Wednesday has a vision, tells mrs Thornhill, Tyler gets a text and Eugene gets attacked. Thornhill following Wednesday and her reaction seeing Eugene seem fine. What's funny about this is Xavier warned her about her visions. If she hadn't told Thornhill Eugene would have been fine. Mrs Thornhill feeding worms to plants in the first episode ain't weird. she starts smiling when she hears wednesday play the cello.
Im a psych student and heres my perspective. One of the things that I thought could be possible is NONE OF IT BEING TRUE. As all of it being in Wednesday’s mind and novel to make her the hero in a place where her mum is already the hero and she’s overshadowed, what better way than by saving the whole school to defeat an all rounder school legend. That she was beginning to get crazy and confused loosing touch from reality due to her psychic delusions. 1. In the beginning, Wednesday said she devotes an hr to her novel, but we only see her typing what’s happening in the school and Jericho like its her journal, her previous 3 books were about another girl named wiper who was a detective. In the therapy, it was brought up that there is a similarity between her and the mc wiper of her novels, wiper’s interesting relationship with her mother dominica, just like Wednesday, which made her uncomfortable and she dint want to talk abt it. Maybe the editors realised it was Wednesday being delusional and writing novels which is why they suggested psychiatric help to her. 2. In every real situation related to school, she is being shown always being overshadowed by her mum. From her being famous in the whole school and her dorm ophelia hall, to being the captain of the poe cup challenge, best in fencing, past of the secret society nightshades, her mum being a carnivorous plant aficionado which is why she was good in class, etc. which perhaps fueled her motivation to be the Legend instead in a more heroic way. 3. Since she came in, she has been humiliated, one for being like a freak, then by bianca in fencing, etc etc, where her disdain filled ego was specially hurt and she realised she cant outshine her mum in reality hence to comfort herself and fuel her ego she has to do in her fantasy. 4. She dint wanted to be in love like her mum, as she said in the first episode, hence the guy she fell in love, she made him the villain, to add more to her gruesome character and choice where she can simply say, “of course the first guy she kissed would be serial killer monster” 5. Throughout the season, many ppl have told her, including Xavier, Mortisha, prin Weens, that having psychic visions drive the person crazy, illogical, delusional and its deep rooted to emotions and the only emotion Wednesday shows well is her hatred to her parents, not her brother but just parents, specially mum, hence in her delusions, school was only place where she had to be a hero and outshine her parents in her delusions. I dont hate wednesday or anything, im just trying to read the character well and the plot.
** Xavier told her that his dad is an expect and he himself says that Delusions are highly unreliable and unrealistic, probably the murder mystery was a part of her mum’s delusions nz shes psychic too
I wonder if red herrings will stay red in season 2. Wednesday had good reasons to suspect Xavier and Kinboot. They still didn't cast off all suspicions. Like why Xavier was always at the places of Hyde attacks? Had dreams and acted on them? Or is he to spy on Wednesday? Like Tyler, he is way too much into Wednesday. Always forgiving being treated like shit. And the psychiatrist. Why do the roses match? When Wednesday asked her why someone overqualified like her is working in Jericho you could tell in her expression that there was a reason. She had access to a lot of what was going on. And whos the stalker? How many peoples were truly involved?
No, I knew Ms. Thornhill was the bad guy from the very moment she was introduced. She was that "favorite" person by everyone so that's usually the bad guy. And the second they mentioned about Laurel I knew the sister that "died overseas" was Ms.Thornhill. it wasn't much of a twist for me nor a shock
@@ryonalionthunder I didn't look for clues are connected any dots really. Soon as they showed Ms. Thornhill I just right away said "Oh, she's going to be the bad guy" because usually that's the "twist" the likable character turns out to be the antagonist. It's cliche and the moment they mentioned how Laurel went overseas and "died" I figured they'd do another "twist" and say his sister was always alive and want revenge. I just thought again "Watch Ms. Thornhill be the supposed dead sister" so yeah, it was always a guess/hunch from me from the start.
The ring is key. In a call back to a Buffy plot device, Crackstone's ring dropping on the ground after he turns to dust is most likely a key that he may return in a future season.
I think it's Biánca: 1. She insisted to stay in Nevermore until the end of the school year. Nevermore is all she has, losing her reputation and honor to Wednesday is frustrating her. 2. She showed up at places where those stalking photos were taken 3. The stalkier got Wednesday's number right after Xavier. In episode 2, she went to Xavier's dorm and didn't answer how she made her way there, indicating that she could have went there again and secretly obtained Wednesday's number. Motive: Win Wednesday by distracting her into meaningless mystery solvings.
Who both tricked by Tyler? I personally thought it couldn't be him. Then it started to make sense when he was always around or she told him where she was going. I wonder who the new .principal will be.
a really cool clue you missed is that when tyler suprises wednesday he gives her the same exotic flower that the other lady gave her in the first episode
I’ll be honest didn’t see Tyler being the Hyde, but Thornhill. Her being the only normie was sus. And it was the flowers, all these white roses. Every rose has its thorns = thornhill. When she was going down the kinbolt path it was 100% it had to be thornhill to me. Plus it the lovely original Wednesday herself. I thought she was going to be the Hyde and she just didn’t know it until it said it had to be unblocked. Dr. Jekyll style.
8 episodes was not enough for me.
🤞 for Season 2!
Same I finished watching season 1 for 1 day only
Agreed but at the same time each episode was around an hour each so idk
I agree i feel like it was a bit rushed in the end. It just wasnt a satisfying ending in my op.was very good tho
X2
Please bring Weems back! She brought a lot of depth to the show.
And it was great to see her in a completely opposite role after seeing her in Game of Thrones! ❤ loved her in this!
Yes revive her we want weems back such a great character
yeah hate that they killed her off, maybe she'll survive somehow.
I would like to think that shapeshifters has extremely fast regeneration and metabolism rate, that’s how they transform. Hence she is immune to poison. TnT i want Weems back😢
She is dead
I don’t think Thornhill is dead, we saw her get a boot to the face and that’s it. When Crackstone came back to life Thornhill looked at his ring and gasped, not him. The camera also showed the ring fall to the ground when he died. This ring means something.
Finally someone else realized the ring fell!
The ring is called the Kraken it was originally made by Clocks & Colours several years ago
Damn you're sharp, now I now what to expect in season 2👏
Omg I noticed that too 😮😂! The ring falling was a little too dramatic!
Definitely
One clue was when Mayor Noble Walker said he recognized Miss Thornhill when they were at the Weathervane. She played it off as them both being regulars there but it was most likely because he investigated Laurel and the Gates family years before when he was sheriff. This also made him bring up the Gates file after speaking with Morticia and Wednesday (he already knew the truth when it came to Garrett Gates' death) . He then went to the Gates house because of the call about lights being on. What he saw there and with what happened so far is what made him figure it all out before getting to meet with Sheriff Donovon Galpin.
As Wednesday herself said: "Usually when someone gets killed on their way to tell the police crucial information it usually means they were on to something."
This makes so much sense! Also Laurel being a teacher of poisonous plants and her dad giving Garrett a poisonous plant extraction to spike the punch at the Rave’N. Now i see it
oh that's so smart
Also when they first met she said she takes her regulars green tea latte, but when he met Tyler, he said her regular was coffee
My clue in that scene, was what she said she ordered and was drinking each day, versus what Tyler remembers as her drink.. It was a different drink entirely and I found that sus.. Then because he said she looked familiar and looked at the picture of the family. I knew at that moment.
I really was suspicious of Xavier but the suspicion was cleared when Tyler was attacked by Hyde and somehow only got a scratch on his shoulder since the Hyde has never left anyone living.
The Hyde didn't kill Eugene either, but he was in a pretty bad shape after, way worse than Tyler
@@mariane5564Eugene would have died if Wednesday didn’t show up though, as seen in her vision
tbh I don’t think The Hyde would be that stupid to draw The Hyde out though , is The Hyde transforming into The Hyde and looks into the mirror and though, Hm lemme paint myself. The biggest possibility would be him being the master of it even if he’s suspicious which makes us wonder why, perhaps his father, but I personally think the father is just to make him look suspicious so that there’ll be a plot twist for people who didn’t rly check the details and enjoyed it as a normal drama
Yes I got suspicious to but I always thought it was 1 of they 1s Wednesday 1st thought thought but I was wrong but here is a question how did he hurt himself just scratched himself or did something or somone acctually hurt him and how does everyone barely cry or anything when they get hurt and heal so quick
For me i know tyler was sus after the scene where he drown in the bath and scream
Also fun clue, Wednesday gets her vision of Eugene after a random person bumps Tyler into her
And for Rowan’s too…I think 🤔
Yeah but that incident is exactly why I didn't suspect Tyler as the hyde. I thought how could Tyler be the hyde if he was right by her side when she had that vision. Wednesday leaving Tyler was what allowed him to attack Eugene in the first place.
I only paid attention to Thornhill touching Wednesday, seems very sus
@@shubh8122 No, when she had vision of rowan, it was tyler she touch. So basically, it was shown in episode 1 tyler is the monster. But Wednesday thought she had that vision when she touch rowan, but it was Tyler
Don't you think bad characters talk waaaaay to much? I mean, Wednesday could've died at least 3 times in the last episode. 1. When Tyler wanted to slice her but (of course) he had to wait till Enid came. 2. I have no idea how Crackstone was supposed to kill Wednesday with his wand (by pressure or sth?, cuz it didn't do much except that) but anyway he had to say sth just to give Bianca enought time to stabb him in a back. 3. Laurel comes to the rescue of evil, pointing gun at Wednesday (I really thought she'll shoot her cuz c'mon, it doesn't take long to pull the trigger and I'm sure that would be a great plot twist at the end) but NO. The bee turned out to sooth her rage towards Wednesday immediately and made Laurel wonder where are all these bees coming from instead of just pulling this trigger and then ran away. Also, who shots to bees?
I got super suspicious of Tyler and Thornhill when in the first episode Thornhill mentioned to the mayor that she gets a matcha latte everyday at the Weathervane. Then at the Rave'n when Thornhill says hi to Tyler she tries to cover it up by saying she goes to the Weathervane everyday. Only Tyler gets her drink wrong and says she gets some coffee with sugar and milk instead of a matcha
Yes! This was the first big hint I noticed as well. I suspected her and Tyler the entire time. Tyler became very obvious as the season went on, but they did throw me off a bit briefly with the doctor. 😅
WHOA howdid i not get this
I got suspicious of Tyler very early on, because he was too nice, a normie, and his character didn’t make much sense on the story. But, instead of Thornhill, I suspected the therapist.
Oh my god you genuis
I missed it 😂
I was sus of Tyler when I first saw him. He seemed too good to be true, casually too soft and nice. The scene where Tyler is in the tub and is talking about inner demons and therapy got me VERY Suspicious of him. That's the scene where I think I mentally confirmed my theory. He also kept ominously mentioning his mother with no explanation of what happened to her. I figured his mother was someone who went to the school because of the empty explanation of that throughout the season. He also shows up at the strangest times and was WAY too interested in Wednesday without even really knowing her. At least Xzavier had reasoning and showed constant obvious acceptance to her.
I thought it was the sheriff the whole time
Bro I had the same thing with Tyler he was easy to figure out. But that redhead girl with the glasses was way too easy to figure out like the moment they mentioned a second person it took me like 5 minutes to figure it out. I was screaming whenever they thought it was the therapist
@@brooklynnmiller4984 yeah she was way too emotionless too when she asked if Eugene was still alive after he was attacked and it just didn't make sense how she was there at that exact moment
What sealed the deal for me with him was that he was the most hurt during the escapade at the Gates house and his attitude towards her didn't change.
Yes, yes! When he already assumed they liked each other, even though they barely know each other.
Bring back Weems, she was so statuesque. Every scene she was in, it was like she was modeling. She had to go to a finishing school💁🏽♂️❤
I noticed that too. She's so firm. Every act and words are so sharp and on point. Hopefully she'll be back on S2.
Games of Thrones in the house. She was fantastic than and firm on Wednesday. So happy to see her on the Wednesday. I hope we have a second season and she comes back. She is a Shape-shifting.
I was so disappointed and a little hurt she had to die.. I hope she comes back too in season two i liked her and her poses
@@patriciari2378 They finally avenged Stannis :D
@@xx-pe4gfbruh Stannis burned his only daughter alive for no reason
Something my wife pointed out that made her suspicious of Thornhill was how she mentioned to the mayor that she always came in for her daily matcha latte. Then when Tyler saw her he mentioned she came in daily for a completely different drink.
I just must say, I am SO glad they actually stayed true to the name Werewolf in this show, a lot of shows call their creatures "werewolfs" but often times they are just dire wolfs or half breads, Enid was a full force Werewolf and I loved every second of it! (also, I laughed my ass off when she dropped kicked Tyler).
For me it was all about the hair… I literally lmao for several minutes when the wolf with the the pink hair was shown…
Bro Enid is my favorite character so I’m glad she got to kick some ass before the season ended
@@latrelltotaldrama She is my fav too and tbh I was expecting this Epic Fight since probably 4th episode 😆
@@SamanthaS92 Same here! I cracked up so hard when the werewolf turned to face Wednesday and that pink hair shone in the moonlight 😂
Ahh yes the pathetic half breads like cake. Only full breads like baguettes and tiger loaves should be called actual werewolf breads
So I think that laurel is definitely alive. Because she only got attacked by bees and Wednesday then stepped/kicked into her face but she never took the gun to kill her. So I’m sure that she will come back
I feel like she would've had some fun before killing her or Thornhill escapes 🤷
She’s definitely alive, but my gut tells me that she’s gonna die in season two 😭
Me too
She swore to thing that whoever did this will suffer slowly and then she just goes home for summer. She loves funerals but skips weems’?? Ugh so many things keep bothering me. I need to be a writer but I’d probably drive everyone I work with mad.. smh
@@jdjd8201 good
i've never watch the addams family before but this series really hooked me, watch 8 episodes in a day and got obsessed
Me to,i became obsessed with Wednesday and Jenna Ortega
Both of the 90s movies are on Netflix, watch them!
You should also watch the 2 movies that were made in the 90's. They're incredible and really funny and also has a lot of dark humor like the show.
@@nikoletageo824 Not to mention laurel gates/ms thornhill is the actress who plays the original wednesday in the 1991 and 1995 movies
Same I’ve never watched it!
i can't understand how i didn't suspect Tyler at all until his own confession. like even when Wednesday saw a vision of him being the Hyde. I thought it was just a wrong vision, as Goody said, you start to see darkness or something in everyone.
But Tyler being the Hyde made so much sense. Cause he always been there. And even before they got too close, he started initiating the romantic relationship with Wednesday.
At first I thought, if he didn't love her actually, then why he didn't killed her earlier or why did he protected her from Rowan. But then I realized that if she was dead they wouldn't be able to bring back to life that pilgrim.
And I also noticed that when Wednesday asked Tyler about the gate showing the picture, Tyler said he have no idea. When he actually knew that it was the house of his master.
Xavier did tell Wednesday about the location of that gate, because he was not the hyde obviously
But one question is still unclear. Why did he wanted to kiss her two times ? I mean he knows that if she touches him that she will get a vision. So why did he tries to kiss her twice ? It doesn’t make any sense. Expect if he loved her even a bit.
Iam still hopeful that they’re will be end game and that his new master will be Wednesday if Lauren is really dead. It would be so cool to see more abkommt Tyler and his character deployment.
@@emmi3058 I think because he wanted wedsendsy to know he’s the Hyde. I always suspected Tyler because seemed sketchy to me. I think Thornhill was using him to get close to her sense she’s the key. If he could suduce her, she’d go with him wherever.
My guess is Wednesday is his new master. Since Wednesday liberated him from his previous liberator, thus the end scene where he was in the vicinity of Wednesday.
@@emmi3058 I do think that Tyler is beyond the salvation, because he confessed he didn't liked being monster at first, but then he was enjoying it. The only way I can see to him being seen as good character would be really long process to redeem himself. I am not sure if he was aware of Wednesday having visions because of touch - I would need to rewatch to check if she ever told him... but regardless of that he played with her and it was a game for him, game he thought he won. So torturing her with making her fall for him make sense
@@emmi3058 no, tyler didn't know that she has vision.
There was a big clue in episode 7 where the mayors kid tells Wednesday that his father saw Laurel at outreach day and in that episode he officially meets miss thronhill and asks her if they have meet before
There’s another scene where Thornhill sees Tyler the first time at the coffee shop and says “hi Tyler” and covers up and says he knows her from ordering coffee.
Completely forgot about that!
AND he says a different order, thornhill says she saw the mayor when she gets a matcha latte but then Tyler says she gets a flat white or smt
Also something you missed. In the last scenes where Wednesday is driving off, her driver Lurch has different eyes from when we saw him the first time. He appeared to be fully blind (completely white/gray eyes) and cross eyed. In those last scenes he looks forward and his eyes are very dark. Maybe its not him but rather a certain shape shifting principal that mightve survived some poison. Or maybe someone else entirely
or more likely just a mistake of make-up/costume team XD
@@MaraMara89 nope, the director is a professionalist who wants every detail perfect
@@Littlegreetings but Tim only directed 4 first episodes ;)
I've heard about crazy theories about Lurch and I don't really like them, so I hope it have been mistake... Hopefully we will see in next season(s)
Na, I saw him with normal eyes in the parents episode
@@MaraMara89 oh? I didn’t know that lol
i realized tyler was the hyde when he got "attacked" in the old gates house, before him all the attacks that happened left two or three slashes on the victim which meant they were slashed by another person since the thumb and pinky fingers are shorter and wouldn't make contact with any victim but when tyler got attacked he had five slashes on his chest which meant the hyde hadn't slashed him and if you do a motion of slashing your own chest you will notice all your five fingers make contact with the skin
True. Eugene almost died while he had a minor injury. Very suspicious indeed.
You just made me think completely different about the scene I thought it was shady because xaier came up but we saw thing lead him there , the 3 slashes defeatly show he would’ve inflected that on him self THANKK YOU❤️😭
I thought Xavier was the monster and he didn't feel to hurt Tyler coz Wednesday is interested in him so he doesn't want Wednesday to feel sad..
Another cool bit of foreshadowing was when Tyler described the coffee machine as a monster having a mind of its own, just like the hyde.
Nice!
The flower Thornhill (welcoming gift)and Tyler (date ep) gave to Wednesday is the same flower which points to their connection.
I knew Tyler was going to be The Hyde when it essentially saved her from the Telekinetic kid. He was running along with her and stopped… he was always there or nearby for the attacks. When they talked about a Hyde being controlled I thought of thornhill due to her interest in Wednesday
Yeah same
Tyler's nose is unique and I just kind of looked at his face and the Hyde's face to compare; it literally looked like they mutated Tyler's face to be the Hyde.
I didn’t miss the mud. I thought it was insanely obvious.
I just assumed it was Tyler cause that’s normally how these shows go and then I knew Thornhill was involved when she gave Wednesday the Frankenstein book after specific body parts were taken from the victims
I realised it when I thought that Tyler’s eyes look suspiciously like the eyes of the monster
I noticed something was up with Tyler when he had those teeny tiny slashes on his chest, but all of his victims were practically turned into freakin’ manwich
I also knew something was up when he stated he also had court appointed therapy. There had to be something very traumatic in his life and clearly he had lashed out before by the court appointed therapy.
@Theflowergal well with that reasoning it could very well have been Xavier too. :-)
I knew it was Tyler when he got pushed into her at the dance and she immediately had a vision about Eugene getting attacked
Yup that was the most obvious clue tbh
I really hope some part of Tyler wasn't all bad, laurel really manipulated Tyler to the person he is in the series and made him think all of the outcastes and Wednesday were bad. so I hope in season 2, he realizes they aren't as bad as laurel made him think. also I really hope some part of him actually liked Wednesday! they were so cute together! I really hope he gets a redemption arc in season 2!
Me too
I actually thought Xavier and Wednesday looked cuter togther and would end up together despite how whiney he was. Even her uncle acknowledged the Chemistry. Did he not make her blink? I feel like he brought out some human in her despite how sociopathic/psychopathic the character originally is.
I actually agree to this
i hope he realizes the outcasts aren’t bad either, but i also hope that Wednesday doesn’t choose him. i feel like she should choose Xavier, he’s been on her side the whole time and it’s obvious that he likes her🤭
i agree
we could also know that tyler was the hyde when wednesday bumped him during the bal and then had a vision of eugene being attacked by the hyde
damn it was alwasy right under our noses
@@savannahcrapse9708 had to watch it twice ngl
You guys are smart😭. I’m only blaming him because he had the eyes and hair like the Hyde😭
@@alexandracarrera9816 that was my reasoning too lmao
I knew Thornhill had something to do with the murders the moment that the sheriff talked about the Gates family and how Laurel 'drowned overseas'. It just sounded like the classic plot twist where she is still alive and seeks revenge. Thornhill was already one of my suspects but that scene just confirmed, because of her weird behavior and her being a normie in the outcast school
I actually really did think it was Kinbott because of the roses and because Tyler saw her too. Thornhill never even crossed my mind for some reason
I'm sure the stalker is Tuesday. he's always one step ahead of Wednesday.
and Moonday will probably help Wednesday. she already did at the end of season 1.
Who is Tuesday??
Lmao
who’s tuesday?
Omg. I thought Monday was killed by Thursday? Hahahahahaha
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I didn't think it was Xavier because his reasoning of the Hyde coming alive to scratch him from his art made sense, plus since Wednesday found out about his art hideout ages before he wouldn't keep using that space to create new sus artworks/leave more clues if he was the actual Hyde, and then of course in that last bit the evidence was way too obviously planted to frame him. But this still begs the question of why was he there at every convenient/sus moment 😂 -- was it bc he was stalking Wednesday since he's into her lmaooo??
I totally fell for it possibly being the therapist bc she's so creepy though (and blonde like Laurel in the old photo) lol...
remember when Wednesday said he was psychically connected to the Hyde? I feel like he bonded with Tyler when he attacked him a year prior, and it subconsciously draws him where the Hyde is. (Just my theory, heard it hear first)
+ Xavier was most definitely predicted the future. In one of the episodes when Wednesday and him were shooting arrows he said ‘what’s with you and Tyler?’ ‘Stay away from him’ (around the lines of that) like he had already knew the danger. During the part where he went to the therapist and said ‘I had a dream you were dead!’ Sealed the deal for me as she did die moments after. It was also interesting that Xavier could draw the door of the mansion, the cave and many photos of the monster.
@@TheBlindBandit-e8v omg yeah that's so true!!! i wonder if it's his powers?? I'm not sure why/how his art comes to life like what class that's under, but he did say his dad was a psychic, so I wonder if he inherited some of that! and/or maybe Tyler was purposely haunting him a little from earlier on somehow in order to frame him later, who knows...
@@allyeatworld that makes quite alot of sense! I think Xavier definitely has some interesting unanswered questions about him. We don’t know his family, we don’t know his exact powers, we don’t know his relation with the Hyde. Tbh I really hope we’ll get to explore more about Xavier in series 2!
you know what's funnier is that since xavier was there after every attack, we, as the audience was made to think that he was the hyde (including me. i totally thought he was, except for the last obviously planted evidence.) but the way tyler was absent from/after every attack, should've been a giveaway. like sometimes silence (here, absence) is louder. and everytime xavier was present, his presence was justified unlike tyler's absence.
I've just rewachted the entire series and in the episode about the RaveN, there is some foreshadowing about Tyler and his mom being a Hyde. In the scene where Tyler picks up Wednesday, while he is waiting for her to get dressed he stares at the picture of his mom on the fencing team. This is only a clue when you watch it for a second time tho, because it looks like he's looking at Morticia
Whoa. I didn't even noticed that her mom was in that picture. Nice catch!
@@mykahangelinesantos4137 thanks!:)
The stalker is Xavier’s father. Super famous psychic (and his son said he’s his father’s PR nightmare). He IS definitely keeping tabs on Wednesday (for many reasons: she attracts too much attention to herself, to his son, from him and I could go on)
Threatening Wednesday could keep her and Xavier apart.
I have no clue if the fact she has eyes on her will play a part on Season 2.
The School needs rebuilding, the community needs reassurance and there are more much larger things at play when an armored truck has a Hyde being transported.
People are too worried about Tyler and Ricci being back. That would be beneath the show.
My only sadness is Gwendolyn leaving the show. OMG, she was stunning.
The fact that Tyler woke up and Hyded up when Wednesday was around also could mean that Miss Thornhill is dead and Wednesday is the new master of the Hyde :) I think it was a little suspicious
I actually wanted a redemption arc for Tyler I actually shipped them hard, is Tyler really bad? He was manipulated by Thornhill
@@kshithiyathish i honestly mainly agree with the manipulation thing and him being more or a good guy, but we'll have to see where the story goes, but honestly I really wish he does have a redemption arc too
@@kshithiyathish I mean ig if you’re ignoring that he legit told Wednesday he “liked it” and “how does it feel too lose” in the police station, without her around.
@@meadowcarbone4731 I think he was manipulated there. And besides he didn't have an other choice, Wednesday already found out and it's not like she's going to believe him if he tells her that he was abused or manipulated. So he basically had to do this because if he wont thornhill or lorrey will be mad and since shes his master she could do something bad to him so yeah. I think we should wait for season 2.
@@meadowcarbone4731 they related his monster to Jekyll and Hyde, so I could imagine them bringing his innocence in the matter into play. If you watch his confession again, his facial expressions are inconsistent and his words sound more like something that would come out of Laurels mouth, rather than his.
One clue I noticed was the black flower Tyler gave Wednesday during their crypt movie date in ep 7. It's the similar to the black dahlia Thornhill gave her in ep 1.
That's one symbolism. Good catch!
I think it's interesting to see all the foreshadowing that I... completely missed.
Yet still knew she was the villain just because she had zero reason to be there otherwise.
Like if you just analyze the common movie/tv tropes, the villains become obvious.
Always keeping in mind one thing: There has to be a twist at the end.
In fact, twist endings are SO commonplace in TV these days, that the only real twist left, is for there not to be a twist.
Weems was the hardass teacher that actually cares a great deal about the academy and its students. It seems like they might be setting her up as the villain, but she's an obvious false lead. She can't be the villain because she's the one whos set up to punish the protagonist in some way until eventually coming around to the protagonist's side.
The Therapist and Xavier were obvious false leads. Psycho-killer therapist has been done to death so they set her up in a very obvious way to make her look like a suspect, she's a misdirect. Xavier had a pile of evidence pointing to him, so again, a misdirect - shows always have a twist and making xavier the antagonist isn't a twist.
Meanwhile Thornhill is too chummy and too forced into many of the scenes to not be important, and yet she doesn't do anything. She appears to just want to be nice and support the protagonist, but she doesn't actually have any real chemistry with Wednesday, nor any reason to like her over any other student. So the only other options is that she's prying and keeping tabs.
Tyler has the same problem. He's overly friendly and nice to Wednesday. He behaves more like a little puppy dog than Eugene, who's the awkward nerdy character who would typically fit that role. He's the overly supportive love interest who's always there for Wednesday and always kind and sweet and there to lend a hand... even after nearly dying. Characters like that often end up the villain (at least in teenage dramas). They try to show his 'angry' / emotional side with his father, but that's the only real time we see him display any serious level of emotion.
He could have fit into a more heroic trope, been the loyal puppy-dog boyfriend who protecc and attacc. But we never actually see him doing anything really heroic to hit that trope. Keep in mind people find Wednesday so abrasive that even Eugene (the quiet nerdy trope - a character who's usually a bit of a doormat) has a moment where he 'rebels' against Wednesday out of frustration because she abandoned him to go to the dance. Tyler meanwhile is always nice, always there for her, always kind - even after nearly dying. Good traits to have in a partner in real life maybe, but it makes for boring tv/movies - those characters always end up turning out to be the villain. Very common twist for the 'nice' guy to be just using niceness to manipulate the situation.
agreed. However, i thought that Thornhills' interest in Wednesday had simply to do with getting Christina Ricci lots of screen time. So that threw me. I figured the monster was a "normy," though and first two episodes thought might be therapist or sheriff.
The only thing about the plot twist - i feel like it's a really good example of terrible plot twist. You couldn't foresee it without guessing.
@@jarlfenrir ?? *you* couldn't forsee it without guessing, but I managed it just fine. Just used a different approach.
@@jarlfenrir without guessing? Tyler was obvious from episode 1 and the continued forced insinuations on Xavier had me reeling from laughter. It was incredibly on the nose that I had 90% figured out by episode 2.
Once Wednesday went to the morgue and that certain bodyparts were removed it was obvious that there probably was more to the murders then just a ferral monster. There was a very subtle clue in an early episode where Sheriff Galpin mentioned a report that the lights were on at the old Gates house. Then we get the parents-weekend episode and (almost) everything about it clicked: The little sister was likely alive (the no body=secretely alive-trope), resented Nevermore/Addams family. Who seems the most likely suspect? The one with means and motive: who has access to the school and students and happened to be a new and first Normie-teacher dealing with deadly and toxic plants? Thornhill. Who else used toxic? Ansel and Garrett Gates.
At first I thought Thornhill might've even been the undisclosed mother to Tyler, but that wasn't the case - she did call herself "mama" though to Tyler.
Knowing this I also figured out that Tyler's romantic date with Wednesday was a set-up the moment we saw her get back to her thrashed room and Thing being stabbed. Because again: means and motive. Thornhill had access AND she knew that the room would be empty as Enid told her she was staying at Yoko's room. She didn't account for Thing and thus he got stabbed.
I hope the principal isn't dead. She's an amazing actress and I want her to continue in that role.
Sameee
Fester using Electricity to bring Thing back was also a nod to Frankenstein
Hyde’s eventually kill their masters and go crazy. Though we did not see Miss Thornhill die, the connection between them could have ended due to distance or he was finally powerful enough to break the connection on his own
I think it was the perfect story line. It made you suspicious of Tyler but also Xavier because Wednesday did have good solids on that. But thornhill also got me thinking. It just really pulled you in. Can’t wait for season 2
Another interesting clue: the person who takes out Mayor's life support does it with a left hand. And right in the very next scenes when Thornhill decides to do meet Wednesday to ask her side of the story (about Enid moving out), she closes the room door with her left hand!
I just want longer seasons of this. It was so so so good!!! I loved it so much!
Actually when the mayor told Thornhill that she seemed fimiliar to him, it was probably because he was already acquainted with the original Gates familiy, so she probably reminded him of their daughter
Hmmm. If they remember to follow up on the vague side stories (The Principal's hate of Morticia. The Siren cult. Ect) then this could end up being freaking amazing!
Bonus points if they allow/give Wednesday the Book of Shadows that belonged to Goody. XD
The fact that Enid has Harley Quinn’s hair…love that detail 😁
she reminds me of Luna Lovegood!
Also, at least in the polish translation the flower that Thornhill gives Wednesday in the beginning (in polish Czarna Dalia) has the meaning of betrayal.
You know, I like that the series doesn’t tell us in the face if it was ALL Laurel’s control over Tyler or if some of it was of his free will and maniacal tendencies. I mean, he said to Wednesday in the police department that he remembered what he had done after several transformations and he liked what horrors he had done. At that time after he said that he blinked and his expression changed, so I thought that maybe Laurel can make him say things by their mind link. But no, after all of that Tyler wanted to kill Wednesday in the woods and there was no regret at all. So I choose to assume now that he does have maniacal tendencies and some part of him really knew everything and was aware of what he was doing. He didn’t really like Wednesday, but was just playing his role. And I don’t mean JUST his Hyde part of himself - his human one knew as well. It WAS manipulation on Laurel’s side, but Tyler initially has had this maniac inside of him and he welcomed him with no filters for his crimes, all by himself. And I like it, because it breaks the stereotype about “the good boy” so nicely for this show, it suits it so well. And this is one more reminder for people also that if someone does nice things for you and act well it doesn’t always mean that you know them fully. If this is correct, I’m in love with this series.
Thats a really good analysis. I really love this theory.
i have heard some poeple argue about the ”he’s expression changed adter talking to wednesday” part. i think hes just acting when hes being nice and when he was talkin to wednesday at the police station, that was the actual him
Yeah I was wondering that too I lean towards more he willingly killed. Just because of the ball scene where Tyler explained his past. Wednesday told Tyler she wouldn’t have just pulled a silly joke but done worse (something along those lines), which he was doing.
I think Wednesday's stalker is someone we haven't met yet but likes her. We all know how Garett started stalking Morticia, so, maybe Wednesday has a a stalker that likes her.
Then explain the gif the stalker sent with a knife being thrown into her head
I'm the stalker
That’s a good point - I forgot about the parallels made between her and her mother, so this would be no exception!
Could be, but it could also be background boy character. Like you said there was the whole thing with morticia being stalked by garrett in her school days so I also feel like it will be a similar plotline.
The texts they sent also seem to imply they go to nevermore.
The Weeknd stalked her
I wanna see Wednesday being Tyler's new master in season 2. She was about to be his new master if only the sheriff didn't interrupt the torture part.
I don't know if it's possible for the hyde to change master, but it would be amazing if it happens
I also wish that there would be another monster/killer in season 2 who either wants to kill Tyler and the outcasts/Wednesday or wants to kill Wednesday and Tyler wants to keep her safe(her being his new master would fit perfectly with that), this 2 possibilities would allow them to work together again even if she doesn't trust him and to get close again
i dont wanna see that happend bc i think that will get in the way of her and xavier
@@mariane5564 please i so want them close together again
@@mollychristoph2404 good bc xavier is so meh
@@mollychristoph2404 nah wyler for life but yeah it's your opinion
Head Master Weem’s death doesn’t sit well with me, I hope there’s more to it. She’s the head of school for magical kids, a shapeshifter, and a long time survivor herself. Surprise attack or not, she would have never been fit to run the school if she could really have beaten so easily, night shade or not.
I had a feeling Tyler was the Hyde cause before the kissing scene, his eyes just looked a bit larger than usual and that's when I saw the resemblance. Kudos to the artists who created the monster.
it was actually director tim burton who sketched it out first and then sent it over to the artists to add more detail :D
Looked very similar to him and was my main guess
The next Principal should be Xavier's Dad, they hinted at it a few times.
You’re so right! I totally think that will happen
They talked about him way too much for him to not play a significant role in season 2
Yea, i mean after all Xavier might asked his dad to buy the phone for him so he can gifted it to Wednesday, who else know her phone number beside xavier and his dad🙇🏻♀️👆🤷🏻♀️
Principal*
Weems might not be dead, in her interview it is highly implied that she might come back. I guess we'll see what the writers decide.
I just love that the therapist probably legitimately thought Wednesday had lost her damn mind when she confronted her.
But just as a side note, picking up Xavier for a therapy session in the middle of the woods, always made her seem a bit on the unprofessional side. And then her collection of dressed up stuffed roadkill🫤.
Smash together Scooby Doo, Xmen and Harry Potter and you have Wednesday, make sure you never blink😳
I told my friend the same thing. Amd the uncle fester character was cringy
I already knew that Xavier wasn't the hyde. I thought it was Thornhill. But I never thought it would be Tyler! I caaaant! I was expecting a sweet ending, him being with Wednesday 😭😭😭
U missed the clue when Wednesday bumped into tyler in the dance (cause there's a panick from the fake blood rain) then she saw the vision of Eugene about to be killed.
Yeah, true!!!!
Another clue was the black dahlia that Thornhill gave Wednesday in episode one. The black dahlia flower is named after a famous unsolved murder, as Wednesday explained in episode one. Well, as we know, Laurel Gates was also an unsolved murder as she was presumed dead, but her body was never actually found. By episode 8, we obviously find out that Thornhill is Laurel, and the “unsolved murder” was solved. I think it’s really smart that Thornhill gives Wednesday a black dahlia as a foreshadow to what we find out in episode 8
it wont happen but imagine the sheer horror wednesday would face if morticia became the new headmistress
bruhh even i thought of that, after weems, she's the most eligible one, but the story won't be the same then, bring back weems! bring back weemss!!
im guessing that's the part Anjelica Huston will play, as she's joining season 2
What if Tyler mother isn't dead and the Insmuth looking woman that droped of the hiker in the woods actually are her? She could be the stalkar. Or she and biancas mother might work together.
I'm glad I'm not the only person that didn't forget about her character. I knew something was up with her when they showed her looking like that.
With white oleander there is one more hint. My daughter spotted that. It is connected to flower code. This flower is having few meanings and one of them is: happiness someone is leaving us. In this case our main villainess could capture Wednesday (and she planned that!), so nobody would be able to stop her plan. In other words this flower was farewell gift with double meaning. Not only that we got as explanation in this scene.
I knew it was Thornhill when in the 2nd or 3rd episode she went down to the Nightshade secret back room and being a normie she knew way too much about a secret society.
That’s what I thought too. I didn’t expect the master thing as it was obviously a later development. But I suspected her as the monster. I realised that she was laurel bc a vial of night shade used by the son to kill the outcasts in the raven dance in the 90s was poisonous and she was a specialist. As the idea of her not being dead was brought up in the next couple of episodes
I suspected Tyler was a villain on EP.4 at the Rave'N. When Wednesday touched him while dancing she got a vision of Eugene getting attacked 👀 and after that, he was telling Wednesday the old story about him and his friends harassing Xavier and saying "I'm not a bad person".
That's when I knew 100% he wasn't showing who he truly was, and episodes later it was an obvious hint when he got scratched by the Hyde at Gates' house. The monster NEVER let a victim alive after attacking them 😚
what about eugene
@@danielabay8872 Eugene got attacked when he was watching the cave while Wednesday was on the dance, but she arrived on time to save him from dying 🥺
I didn't see the Tyler thing coming but I thought it was pretty obvious that Thornhill was actually a villain ever since the Frankenstein scene.
When Wednesday was in the car in the last episode going home, Lurches eyes rolled back and from the other movies we know lurch has a sixth sense (sensing danger) this means that he could play a big part in the next series like thing did in season 1.
im forgetting who was lurches?
Oh sorry I meant Lurch but like his eyes. Sorry I’m terrible at grammar.
@@mr_woo1916 got your point..no worries
@@garimaverma5940 the driver
favorite scene from wednesday? mine was the hug at the end with enid and wednesday.
I loved that scene so much, my eyes started sweating….
I felt like it was her but not because of all the clues but because she was the original Wednesday of the live action films.. I knew they'd give her a twisted role🤣
Yeah that wasn't a big secret at all LOL I knew they didn't just hire Christina Ricci to be some plucky ass character 😆
@@ilkvomit88 right, you don’t bring her in for a small simple role.
Principal Weems cannot die so soon. She is such a strong charismatic character even off screen and i wish to see more of her
This 1st season was fantastic. Had me eager for more after each episode. That said, what has been on my mind, during the dance when they got pranked and Eugene was being attacked, tyler was at the school also covered in red paint while Wednesday ran off to go find Eugene, so who was attacking Eugene during that time? My bet is Tyler's mother is still alive and was also working with Thornhill. Which might also explain why Tyler is still able to transform after Thornhill got her ass kicked, but then again we don't know if she's still alive or not. I also suspect Bianca's mom is in on something. Excited for season 2!
Did you mean tylers mom??
He was there, but I remember him getting a text and I think he left. Wednesday had a vision that Eugene would get hurt, but it hadn't happened yet.
Thornhill is the one who blew up the cave. She snuck out and back into the dance. Notice she didn't attack him when she first discovered him. I think she was in a hurry to get back to the dance, maybe as part the plan, or maybe she was coming to get Tyler. She didn't go after anyone herself until after Wednesday had negated all her tools (Tyler, Crackstone).
I don't think anyone was actually chasing him at that point. Just the terror at almost getting caught and being out in the woods at night drove him. Then after Wednesday had the vision, Thornhill set Tyler on Eugene. The Hyde can move much faster than Wednesday, and so was able to get ahead of her and attack Eugene.
She got the vision when she bumped into Tyler. Which was a clue that he was the monster because her visions only trigger when she touches a certain object or person that is involved in what had happened or what is to happen.
Same here.
Before even watching I assumed Christina Ricci's character would be the main antagonist, with her being a previous Wednesday. Especially once I saw the credits and read "WITH" Christina Ricci. Usually when shows do that that actors character has a larger part then the show gives on. Think S1 of Only Murders in the Building with Amy Ryan.
Really…Kent? 😂 I think the mystery stalker is a new character
Yeah Kent is far more like the dumb muscle of the sirens group
From the first episodes i always thought the monster was the teacher. Later, paying a little more attention, i was convinced the monster was Ryan.
Ngl,at the end, they almost made me think that the one controlling him was the psychologist. But then he killed her and when they almost caught Tyler, it all felt a little too easy to be just that. At this point i was like: yup.. you better kill that bxtch or she gonna do something stupid. But resurecting Crackstone? Didn't even cross my mind.:))
Sadly it was kinda too easy defeating him.
Who the heck is Ryan?
I think they were loosing time so they had to like finish the villain in one episode
@@dresdenvisage I think they mean Tyler
I cant wait to see the character development for all the characters tbh. I think Tyler was heavily manipulated since Laurel unleashed the inner Hyde in him. But I have a feeling there is a way to control it and I think Tyler won't be forever the bad guy, I do believe there is always another villian behind Tyler. But yeah Laurel I doubt will be dead. I wonder who will be the new Headmaster or Headmistress might be the villian. Who knows 🤔
Yeah Tyler was manipulated by her, because the first time he became a Hyde he didn't know anything and know he has fallen to deep inside his bad side. It must be hard for his father to lose his son to .
I just finished it and I liked it a lot. I need some more uncle fester. It would awesome if he got a spin off or atleast a bigger role in season 2
Where the hell did Uncle Fester go? He was a lot of fun but all of a sudden he was just gone
This!
For anyone interested the ring worn by Crackstone was originally produced by Clocks & Colours a few years ago it’s called the Kraken and came in Silver, Stainless Steel, and Brass.
No one is going to mention that Hyde looks like Tyler? Lol it's the first thing I noticed
omg sams
Totally lol. I mixed them up plenty of times in the beginning 😅
That’s what I thought too but I didn’t want to get all crazy about it 😂
Stalker is the sheriff. I’m sure of it. He clearly had an agenda and is probably upset about his son and the well-being of Jericho depleting. He has obvious reasons to be upset. But that’s just me.
I can't believe no one has mentioned that the Hyde looks just like Beetlejuice when he turns into the snake (Tim Burton, so it makes sense), and Joseph Crackstone looks like the Leprechaun when he comes back. Also, Ms. Ortega is friends with the girl from the Sia videos, and her co-star Enid looks just like that girl. Am I missing something?
You mean Maddie Ziegler
Yup and even the stripped coats like in Beetlejuice
No one has mentioned it (the design of the Hyde) looking like snake Beetlejuice because it's massively obvious LOL it's not like that was some kind of small little Easter egg.
also looked a bit like Large Marge when she flips out, but they kinda referenced her in the first episode
They did a great job with the hints because all also alluded to themes of the episode so it was a bit tricky to determine if she was the villain or if she was just making note of themes within the episode. For example, the sexual trickery - was a clue to who the Hyde was so I focused on that as opposed to her being the villian. It was well done.
I wonder if the reason Tyler ruined Xavier's art back then, was because he was drawing the Hyde (which was him)?
I feel sorry for Tyler
I hope Principal Weems is alive. She was such a great character 🥺
She was one character and she's dead
She has to be. Wednesday loves funerals she woulda show up. And Wednesdays mom would been there too to get the last laugh
What did you think of Wednesday?!
And who do you think is sending her those text messages?
You're right it must be Kent!
I was suspicious the minute I saw the daughter's picture. So I listened to see what sup "happened to her," and that seemed hinky. Had no idea who she actually was until the end but knew it was going to be the daughter. Really wish I knew what happened to Tyler's Mom.
@@RayneSaltair Who's the daughter?
i CALLED IT AT THE MUDDY BOOTS. The rest was pretty easy to Guess. i however got hungup on the hyde. Having two of them threw me off enough, but everything else i called pretty fast when i watched it. Good though. Season two will be cool i hope.
p.s. no idea whos texting her. yet.
This series did a great job at EXPANDING the Addams family world without stomping on the previous versions too much. Great red herrings, depth of characters, humor and mystery. Mostly I’m interested in the character arcs, who will replace the headmaster? Will Pugsly go to the same school?
There are significant things that can come into play for the future…..Goodys book, Nathaniel Faulkner's diary of creatures, Crackstones Ring, the saber used to kill Garrett, uncle festers next “incognito” vehicle, her necklace, her goth outfits, her psychic abilities maturing(one kid had telekinesis and another could bring images to life).
What other kind of easter eggs will Burton bring back from the past?
Cousin IT? Joel Glicker? Debbie the serial killer? The dreaded Disney film montage? Goth Pocahontas and Indians revolting and decimating all of the pilgrims? The lemonade stand? the new addams baby? guillotines!?!?!
Another hint about it being Tyler was that right after finding out Wednesday had the diary, he asked her on a date to get her out of the dorm. That way thorn hill could go and steal the diary while they were out.
This is the first netflix series that really got my attention. I was planning not to watch the movie because I thought it's only friendship and how she might open up to people... but no, it's much deeper than that. This kind of genre really intrigues me. Waiting for season 2... they better make it or else as Wednesday said I may die in suspense...
I feel like you might like The Queen's Gambit
@@youneedtocalmdown. where can i watch it free? Hehehhehe actually I don't have subscription for netflix 😅
Is it just me or did the show deliberately leave out the explanation for Xavier's psychic connection with Tyler? Not sure if I dozed off during the exposition...
Yeah they left it vague
It could be something they're saving for next season... Fraternal twins, half-brothers -- soap opera country. Lmao.
Did anyone else think it was strange Lucas' dad was running Pilgrim World ? Cause lets be blunt they would not have seen Lucas and his parents as equals or the only people who would look like Lucas' family would have been slaves.
Yeah as a fellow black person myself, I was utterly shook when the Lucas, apparently the only black teen in this town, said his dad OWNED Pilgrim World 😭😭 me and my mother were like “ain’t no way he said that with his chest”
I found this odd at first too but then if you think about historically, there have been prior slaves turned businessmen who boasted owing it to their previous owners. Seldom, and sad, but true. So I feel like Lucas' father just might've been from a more "forgiving" family, if that makes sense. Still a perplexing narrative but I - think - that's what the aim was?
Right you are Karen! Because in a series with werewolves, telekinesis, resurrection and a sentient hand that exists independently and can understand the people around him - realism and historical accuracy is truly that important
@@Syrum bro slow your condescending ass down, jeez. It's actually not that unreasonable for them to ask about historical accuracy -- and the problems that have occured throughout history -- when the show itself brings up said issues. Point and case being the fudge scene where Wednesday tells the tourists that the chocolate business is extremely exploitative and detrimental to Indigenous people's. So yeah, let them worry about historical accuracy WHEN THEY CAN APPLY IT and check your attitude, damn
And before you say anything about my attitude I'm just matching your energy.
@@Syrum boo! They hint at gender discrimination, gender identity descrimination and conversion therapy. So, why not racism?
When I watched the first episode my dad said it could be Tyler because the monster has curly hair in the front. We also suspected thorn hill because once we found out about there needing to be a master, we figured since no body was found of laurel, Thornhill would be the right age and Kimbott wouldn’t do it.
My brother suspected Thornhill cause she was the old voice of Wednesday, so why wouldn't they give her some big role
@Gacha time with Ivy and Lexi! uhh... what specifically makes you say "Kimbott wouldn’t do it"?! o.O
@@irrelevant_noob maybe they meant kinbott didn't have a motive?
@@irrelevant_noob cause she met Wednesday AFTER the murders started happening?
@@Sleepycreator0433 that seems unrelated, _everyone_ met Wednesday after the murders started; the motive would be exactly the same: getting revenge on the school for what happened in the past. We just didn't know WHO was Laurel.
tbh, I quite liked Tyler a lot. Maybe in the next season, he recognises Wednesday as someone he actually likes and manages to survive without killing anymore people. Can't wait for season 2!
I was waiting for that moment that he'll see Wednesday even before Enid stopped him but didn't happen. 😭 hopefully in S2 haha
Who else feels bad for Tyler, kid got manipulated into doing her bidding, his life was essentially ruined
You know its not real right?
Yah
Hoping S2 will be his redemption act
not really. manipulation only goes so far, and he himself said he enjoyed killing.
Theory, stalker could be someone new but seeing how sneaky the producers were hiding the mystery role of Tyler (tho kind of expected he'll be connected to Nevermore with his mother, but it was already more or less late when I concluded hes the Hyde). They probably already implanted a plot in season 1 that they will be heading in season 2.
Definitely agree with the open ended characters, Bianca's mom, Mayor's son, and weirdly Yoko. A vampire. Enid said some of them were literally been there for years, so, who knows who would be plotting more on the Addams family? I have to say about Principal Weems too, she still got unresolved beef with Morticia. Unless that's just it, there might be more to see.
Xavier gave the phone to Wenz and already saved his number. That means, the stalker is from Nevermore as well. And I have three possible suspects. Principal Weems, Yoko and/or Rowan's still indeed alive. As for Rowan... He had anticlimactic death for someone who vowed to kill Wenz for his mother's sake. Other than that, there's plenty more to suspect but I'll be keeping it for now.
Other theories:
I have a feeling Tyler would be a new student of Nevermore
(Tho I hope they wont be giving Wenz love interests anymore, she seems to be aroace. And if there should be anyone, I agree with everyone sayin Enid being the healthiest bond/development with her so I dont mind either way.)
Laura wont be back for the sequel not sure why I think so but I'mma gonna keep it to myself
More Addams family activities
More Enid and Wenz mystery solving activities. Coz everyone agrees their dynamic is the best in the series
New characters
It would make sense for the stalker to be Yoko, cause a new caracter would kinda be obvious and there is a few caracters that can be trust(at least I hope so), Xavier, Enid and Eugene can clearly be trust as well as Ajax and Bianca and the syrens and the mayor's son seem to be trust worthy(Bianca doesn't seems to have anything more than an academic rivalry with Wednesday, the syrens follow her and the mayor's son seems to want to do better and get closer to Bianca)
I mean, the stalker should be someone who knows Wednesdays number. Question is: who does? I mean, I just don't think, Xavier told everyone the number, why would he? So how is it possible?
Btw, I just realised, it would be super easy for Wednesday to find out if the Stalker is from Nevermore. She just needs to ask her friends if anyone knows the unknown number xD
Yeah I love the dynamic between, Wednesday, Enid, and Thing too, Enid’s all bubbly cheery and fun to be around, Wednesday’s all moody scary and has a dark exterior, and Thing is the middleman of those 2, and it has my 3 favorite characters in the series with the most screen time
3. Thing
2. Wednesday
1. Enid
I don't think Enid should be Wednesdays love interest, they just have such a beautiful friendship dynamic. And Enid is with Ajax, so I definitely think Wednesday will not focus on love interests next season or it'll still be either Tyler or xavier 😂
not readin allat but we up
In the Tim Burton films and recent CGI animated movies, the members of the Addams family had some kind of supernatural invulnerability that allowed them to playfully attack each other with knives, bombs, guns, poisons, fire, etc.
They're seriously depowered into quirky but highly skilled people for this version.
True, I realised that too! Always when Wednesday was about to die, I was like "can she even die?". But yeah, if course she can but I really don't mind this change in the series! ^^
All I know is that I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed watching this series and I’m looking forward to a part 2 😊
I ended up watching it twice. I suspected mrs thornhill the first time and didn't really buy the mrs kimbot thing. it remained a suspicion for too long tho.
what stood out to me the second time is the Eugene timeline. Wednesday has a vision, tells mrs Thornhill, Tyler gets a text and Eugene gets attacked. Thornhill following Wednesday and her reaction seeing Eugene seem fine.
What's funny about this is Xavier warned her about her visions. If she hadn't told Thornhill Eugene would have been fine.
Mrs Thornhill feeding worms to plants in the first episode ain't weird. she starts smiling when she hears wednesday play the cello.
Im a psych student and heres my perspective.
One of the things that I thought could be possible is NONE OF IT BEING TRUE. As all of it being in Wednesday’s mind and novel to make her the hero in a place where her mum is already the hero and she’s overshadowed, what better way than by saving the whole school to defeat an all rounder school legend. That she was beginning to get crazy and confused loosing touch from reality due to her psychic delusions.
1. In the beginning, Wednesday said she devotes an hr to her novel, but we only see her typing what’s happening in the school and Jericho like its her journal, her previous 3 books were about another girl named wiper who was a detective. In the therapy, it was brought up that there is a similarity between her and the mc wiper of her novels, wiper’s interesting relationship with her mother dominica, just like Wednesday, which made her uncomfortable and she dint want to talk abt it. Maybe the editors realised it was Wednesday being delusional and writing novels which is why they suggested psychiatric help to her.
2. In every real situation related to school, she is being shown always being overshadowed by her mum. From her being famous in the whole school and her dorm ophelia hall, to being the captain of the poe cup challenge, best in fencing, past of the secret society nightshades, her mum being a carnivorous plant aficionado which is why she was good in class, etc. which perhaps fueled her motivation to be the Legend instead in a more heroic way.
3. Since she came in, she has been humiliated, one for being like a freak, then by bianca in fencing, etc etc, where her disdain filled ego was specially hurt and she realised she cant outshine her mum in reality hence to comfort herself and fuel her ego she has to do in her fantasy.
4. She dint wanted to be in love like her mum, as she said in the first episode, hence the guy she fell in love, she made him the villain, to add more to her gruesome character and choice where she can simply say, “of course the first guy she kissed would be serial killer monster”
5. Throughout the season, many ppl have told her, including Xavier, Mortisha, prin Weens, that having psychic visions drive the person crazy, illogical, delusional and its deep rooted to emotions and the only emotion Wednesday shows well is her hatred to her parents, not her brother but just parents, specially mum, hence in her delusions, school was only place where she had to be a hero and outshine her parents in her delusions.
I dont hate wednesday or anything, im just trying to read the character well and the plot.
** Xavier told her that his dad is an expect and he himself says that Delusions are highly unreliable and unrealistic, probably the murder mystery was a part of her mum’s delusions nz shes psychic too
I wonder if red herrings will stay red in season 2. Wednesday had good reasons to suspect Xavier and Kinboot. They still didn't cast off all suspicions.
Like why Xavier was always at the places of Hyde attacks? Had dreams and acted on them? Or is he to spy on Wednesday? Like Tyler, he is way too much into Wednesday. Always forgiving being treated like shit.
And the psychiatrist. Why do the roses match? When Wednesday asked her why someone overqualified like her is working in Jericho you could tell in her expression that there was a reason. She had access to a lot of what was going on.
And whos the stalker? How many peoples were truly involved?
No, I knew Ms. Thornhill was the bad guy from the very moment she was introduced. She was that "favorite" person by everyone so that's usually the bad guy. And the second they mentioned about Laurel I knew the sister that "died overseas" was Ms.Thornhill. it wasn't much of a twist for me nor a shock
How did you explain that Laurel was depicted in the painting with blue eyes while Thornhill had brown eyes?
@@ryonalionthunder I didn't look for clues are connected any dots really. Soon as they showed Ms. Thornhill I just right away said "Oh, she's going to be the bad guy" because usually that's the "twist" the likable character turns out to be the antagonist. It's cliche and the moment they mentioned how Laurel went overseas and "died" I figured they'd do another "twist" and say his sister was always alive and want revenge. I just thought again "Watch Ms. Thornhill be the supposed dead sister" so yeah, it was always a guess/hunch from me from the start.
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Same tbh.
The ring is key. In a call back to a Buffy plot device, Crackstone's ring dropping on the ground after he turns to dust is most likely a key that he may return in a future season.
I think it's Biánca: 1. She insisted to stay in Nevermore until the end of the school year. Nevermore is all she has, losing her reputation and honor to Wednesday is frustrating her. 2. She showed up at places where those stalking photos were taken 3. The stalkier got Wednesday's number right after Xavier. In episode 2, she went to Xavier's dorm and didn't answer how she made her way there, indicating that she could have went there again and secretly obtained Wednesday's number. Motive: Win Wednesday by distracting her into meaningless mystery solvings.
Who both tricked by Tyler? I personally thought it couldn't be him. Then it started to make sense when he was always around or she told him where she was going. I wonder who the new .principal will be.
a really cool clue you missed is that when tyler suprises wednesday he gives her the same exotic flower that the other lady gave her in the first episode
I hope the principal is still alive. I love Gwendolyn Christie way too much to see her go after merely a single season
I’ll be honest didn’t see Tyler being the Hyde, but Thornhill. Her being the only normie was sus. And it was the flowers, all these white roses. Every rose has its thorns = thornhill. When she was going down the kinbolt path it was 100% it had to be thornhill to me. Plus it the lovely original Wednesday herself. I thought she was going to be the Hyde and she just didn’t know it until it said it had to be unblocked. Dr. Jekyll style.