I converted to Catholicism in 1969 and I only found out about purgatory through my own reading and listening. I think maybe I have heard one priest mention it and that was quite recently. I have asked Jesus and heaven many times what my purpose is and I now believe it to be praying for the souls in purgatory and those that need conversion.
My grandfather was a massive influence on my faith growing up. He gave me a book called Holy Souls. It’s a collection of stories from the life of Padre Pio and his contact with souls in purgatory. He always said after you read it youll never be done praying for them 😆 and he wasnt wrong! Since reading it, I also feel a strong calling to always pray for the souls in purgatory.
@@carolereichert8844 I went to a catholic primary and secondary school and I never even heard of purgatory until I was 12 in history class learning about selling indulgences. I actually remember my teacher saying she wasn’t even sure if the Church still teaches about Purgatory
She's bedridden, gravely ill, and endures through 20,000 pages of impressions from Jesus, and then endures derision from some Church authorities. So our Lord gives her the small consolation of seeing her detractor in contrition. After all the faithful dictation that came before, what kind of heart presumes she chose to fabricate this impression?
My faith would not be where it is today if it wasnt for my grandfather. He was a great teacher to me in our faith. When i was a teenager he told me about maria valtorta and poem of the man-god and since then ive always been interested in her writings. Over the last 2 years, I’ve been heavily invested in them as well as your channel Robert. I actually sometimes wondered if you were aware of Valtorta so you could imagine my surprise when I seen you starting to promote her work! Keep it up, this has brought the poem into a whole new light for me and many others I hope. God bless
What these writings have done for me personally is burn the gospel so deep into my brain in complete vividness that if we no longer had access to sacred scripture I could still recall it all. These writings are supernatural in their ability to bring us so close to our Lord and his mother they have changed everything for me. I tremble now when I take the Eucharist my heart is so full. Like I said on another video start with volume ten and get right that into the passion it will change everything for you.
Bl. Carlo Acutis was very concerned with the souls in purgatory. He wanted to go straight to heaven and avoid purgatory. Why doesn’t the church warn of Purgatory. It’s fires we are silent regarding the Last Things. Why is this ? I don’t understand.
Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Purgatory is a place of purification and preparation for heaven. It's not a mini hell. Most of us, if we are lucky will get a stint in Purgatory.
St. Augustine said the fires of Purgatory are the same as of hell. The only difference is that they are not eternal and there's hope for those souls. That hope and the consolation they get from the angels and Saints gives them joy in the midst of sorrow. All the suffering on earth from the time of Adam to the last manager on earth combined and imposed on one person are like a slap on the wrist in comparison to the sufferings in Purgatory. They pale extremely, so says the saints and what souls in Purgatory have received. So the purification is really painful. Let's strive to get purified here and lessen as much as we can, our time in Purgatory, thru gaining indulgences and praying for the Holy souls and striving to grow in virtue
Great comment! You will hear this same sentiment if you don't believe that Medjugorje is of God. In other words, if you don't go along with their cult like following of a alledged mystic or apparition, they try to shame you.
@@monicamohan4720 I agree. In general, the Church should be suspect of personal revelation. Having a "vision" of someone who disagrees with your work in purgatory seems only slightly self-serving. He apparently was a decent theologian who rightly saw issues with Nouvelle théologie amongst other things.
So You give authority to a non recognized seer who is in severe doubt, but who gives authority of fear to her own writings telling of a punishment for a sceptical priest. This is enough for me to not believe these writings. I have read some of the writings. But this fact shows me more proof of her being wrong.
@@thecatholicman First of all You should acknowledge, that there are books also written by Saints of the Church for the discernment of the spirits. Look at the false prophets of the Old Testament for proof. Then You shold read books like those of the author Tanquerey or Poulain´s Graces of interior Prayer for the discernment of the Spirits. Not to forget Egon von Petersdorff´s Daemonologie. There are many examples for false prophets who were influenced by the devil. A seer who uses the methods mentioned above shows already enough signs for his - in this case her - "constat de non supernaturale". Read these books (I have read them in English, French and German, including the Dogmatik of Scheeben). You can also read Scaramelli. If You have not studied them, You should definetly stay away from prvate revelation not acknowledged by the church. There are so many false seers in the world. How many will fall into the abyss because of this. God can with his absolute power always let the church acknowledge the true ones. Really, You should give Poulain a try. Especially the english translation of the french original is very good and full of examples of definetly false seers. He explains also the Aftermystic of the false religions.
Great comment...too many spend way too much time chasing "signs and wonders" - which the Bible warns against - and then try to shame others who don't believe as they do in these alledged apparitions and visionaries.
We know that everything she wrote is from a supernatural source, but how do we know her writings are from God and not something else. With that being said, I have all her books and love her writings. I hope the what I’m reading comes from God.
So many comments stray from the point. Our mdern age of hyper rationalism has been gifted with treasures like the Shroud and the Poem. They force objective science (and modern society) to admit a profound supernatural reality. We fail to appreciate how obvious this truth was in prior centuries . . . and how impaired we are because of it. We should be weeping for joy that our Lord has set up these things for our unique time.
Montini commissioned her works for Vatican library. And he was secretary to Pius XIi when the work was in the motions of being published. I don’t know how much if any was his role, he definitely knew about her works.
@thecatholicman OK, I heard he wrote a preface for Roschini's "BVM in the writings of Maria Valtorta" My fear is that certain hierarchs use the work for themselves with no impetus to make it known to others. Or worse, twist truths found in the work to cause confusion and harmful doctrines. Did they not have power to make it known while they were pope? Doesn't the Eternal Father say Pius XII was "another star falling from heaven" in the Little Notebooks, because lack of approval?
I really appreciate your highlighting/inviting us to know more about Maria Valtorta’s writings. My dad is fascinated by them. I myself have not read them and the main hesitation I have is that I read somewhere that Maria Valtorta didn’t have a good opinion of Blessed Ann Catherine Emmerich’s visions, which I deeply love and appreciate. What is your understanding in regards to this? Thanks!
I've read her works. They began my process of conversion and officially Marked the beginning of my journey to the catholic Church. Through her works, I got the grace to be strong and convert, especially as I was filled with so much fear. Her writings are like no other I've seen. The life of Christ in everyday affairs, which she wrote, is so inspiring. I suggest that you do more research to verify her opinions of Ann Catherine, perhaps it was someone who misunderstood her or something. I believe Maria Varltota is a saint. Her 5 volumes, the Poem of the Man God, helped me up when I was deep into despair. God bless her for accepting to be his little John
Robert : find The Greatest Man in History speech by Anthony Hopkins on TH-cam. Impressive. On the issue of Voltorta, you make a compelling argument. The risk here is that Voltortas writings could then become subject to exegesis - so what happens then?
My advice is to follow the advice of the supreme pontiff Pius XIi and just read them. If there were dangers in her writings Ratizinger would have warned us
I haven’t read her works, though I am inclined to do so and may well do so in the near future. I am a great believer in St Faustina and her diary. I know it’s all through through the great and frightening awakening I was blessed with in the very early nineties. I have no doubt whatsoever about the validity of her Diary and am certain that it is all true, yet the greatest resistance to the Diary comes from priests and bishops? In particular, Traditional priests (TLM). I go almost exclusively to TLM masses on a daily basis and I find the priests exceptional, but I meet a brick wall when it comes to Divine Mercy. They seem to have the notion that the Diary makes God’s Mercy to be too accessible and easy when, in fact, the opposite is the case. What it actually does is follow the teachings of the Catechism of the Catholic Church to the letter, and leaves one in no doubt that Hell exists and that each one of us could end up there even if we are in full knowledge of the faith and know what the consequences of our sins are. We strive for God’s Grace, but the stain of original sin will be with us until we die. This is the lever Satan uses against us and we have a constant, never ending struggle to resist him. Onaly the Sacraments will support us and we ever think we have conquered the beast, that the point at which he will be most likely to strike - and hard! Thank you Robert and God bless to you and all your audience and their loved ones. The Truth will set us free!
Wow… you fell hook line and sinker, huh? Evidently you didn’t get to the weird parts yet. Our Lord joking with St. Peter about impure thoughts and such. Her works are crazy.
Vol. II n. 199 p.185 There are many more very troubling and problematic verses in this work, which is actually why it was condemned over and over again. The title in itself is problematic which is most likely why it was changed.
@ the title “words that give eternal life” is what Christ asked for. As for Chapter 199, that’s in Vol III and nowhere does Christ joke about impure thoughts, (not in the original text which I read in Italian) Jesus jokes with Peter because his mother has convinced them to take an orphan.
Steer well clear of M valtorta. The fact that her writings stir up division and controversy should be a sign that the devil is in the details. It seems Robert you are somewhat obsessed with promoting her and going to great lengths to propagate her writings, very cultish it appears. Stick to Sacred scripture, sacred tradition and the magisterium of the Catholic Church and stop leading people down a path of non approved and erroneous mystics.
I think your advice about sticking to sacred Scripture is very wise. I've never read the books which Robert is referring to. However having listened to Robert reading the books on his podcast, I have to wonder if the details in the book add to, or detract from, Scripture. Also I am very wary that words allegedly spoken are true and I am also very wary of the descriptions and locations described in the book. I simply cannot decide if the contents of the book are truthful or not. My misgivings are seated in the fact that what I have heard from the books have neither added to, or detracted from, the Gospel. I said that for me only. And that being the case I remain very very wary of the words that this book attributes to Jesus Christ, to the Holy Family and the Apostles.
your comment is copy paste what was said about Padre Pio and Sister Faustina. Look around the Church, what Valtorta said would happen is happening all around us.
@@thecatholicman I agree. There is no need for that stuff. If you want to pray in a language that people don't understand, at least have it in Latin which is beautiful and a language that was inscribed on the Cross of our Lord (along with Greek and Hebrew).
Is not that M Valtorta had a bad fillings about Bl K Emmerich but because dictation Katherine to Mr Brentano and he twisted many things and distorted example (pillar of the flaglation)
January 28, 1949 Today January 28, 1949 This is how Jesus responds to my perplexity. Jesus says: «I have never allowed you to know books of real revelation, or books in which you talk about visions of this or that creature. Now I've allowed it. I actually inspired others to bring you these two books, which otherwise you would never have known. And from now on I say to you: read everything that speaks of Me, if you want to do it; but you for the first time will forbid yourself that reading, because every man's narrative will seem too mean to you, it will make you nauseous, and you will reject the book. You are no longer given to taste books about Me, books of men, because you have seen the true truth of my life and death, and every word of a writer, not a seer, will seem empty, theatrical, insincere, mannered, cloying. You can still find Me, the royal Jesus, Master or Martyr, in the pages of a few, few souls to whom I, I myself have revealed myself, as Master and as a martyr. In those yes, you will still find me. In fact, you have already found me, without making a mistake in judgment, in Josefa's book. Because there really is me, just as I am in the pages you have written in these 5 years. The other book left you uncertain, even more: dissatisfied; even more: upset, almost nauseated... You're right! You didn't find Me. The true Jesus. Not my real events. Not my mother. Not his real palpitations. Not the world then. To those who are nourished with the living marrow of truth, to those to whom I have been truly "seen", cannot please the taste of the things worked by men. And these pages have been very worked by men (the pages of the revelations of A. C. Hemmerich [Emmerich]). And you asked yourself: "But then this woman, who is also said to love God so much, didn't she tell the truth?". I answer you, with charity but also with justice, reminding you to bring back to your spirit the conditions that I told you were indispensable in a tool to be a perfect tool: constant humility, scrupulous sincerity, total obedience. The German had these virtues. I'll answer you: These pages, for a complex of things, are not a mirror to the truth of things seen. The dust of humanity has corrupted the purity of truth. Men wanted to add to the work of God and have disfigured. As always. As it would have happened to the visions I gave you, if you, or others, had wanted to add... or modify. You thinking of making the story more beautiful. Others thinking of making it more perfect. You and the others would have wasted everything. Only God is Truth, only God is perfect Author. And, in this case, my teaching Church is right to be perplexed for many years in defining the revelations of Anna-Caterina. In this case. In yours she doesn't have to be perplexed. Because even a simple good sense, and a fair sense, reading the pages you wrote by seeing, and comparing them to those of the German, feels the difference, feels Me in yours, feels the historical, pure truth of your narration. In Josefa I am. And you immediately heard me. As you heard me in the few words that P. sent you. Berti as from writings sent by Mr Crovella. My style is one. I will be able to amplify my words to do complete work like the one I gave you, or reduce like Josefa, but you can hear me. You will show this to the Father. And read, if you can, how much it says about my Life. Now you can read. Because for two years you have seen and written everything about Me. However, I still forbid you to read other books that deal with the Epistles or the Apostolic Acts. I just want to teast you. Me: God. I as Father, I as Son, I as Holy Spirit. For you alone or for all I only your Master; nor do I want any other Wisdom other than mine to enter into your virgin ignorance, into your always virgin ignorance that immediately returns as such as soon as God's teaching ceases. And that's how I like it to be, because I want you "little", I want you "poor", to make you grow alone, to make you rich I alone. Hungry I want you for Me, but I alone want to be the Bread that satiates your hunger for supernatural Wisdom. Remember: in Josefa I am like in you. In Anna they are those who wanted to adorn the perfect, and gave the perfect a face that was no longer his». My note to make this dictation understandable. The 22nd c.m. Giovanni Chessa brought me books of Saints' lives to distribute to souls eager for good reading. He did it other times, and those old books served me to do good to different creatures. I distributed them without reading them. This time he brings me the book "Invital to Love" (writings by Sier M. Josefa Menendez) It had been a long time since I wanted to read these writings, since by chance I had been sent a small image of the Spanish Sous. But I had always forbidden myself to look for the book, since Jesus had forbidden me to read books of revelations, or the like, saying that only He wanted to educate me. With the book by Suor Josefa, which is adorned with a preface by the then Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli (1938), Chessa brings me "the Revelations of A. C. Hemmerich". I say to myself: "This time I'll read them! I always hear about it! Let's see!». And Jesus appears to me saying: "Read, read! But start with this» and points to the book by Sier Josefa. I'm amazed by Jesus' smile, ... different from his usual. He almost seems to be teasing me gently. I obey. In the writings of the Spanish I hear my Jesus. I find it all. And in the lessons and descriptions of the Passion. But in the other! What a disappointment! I remain disconcerted! So much so that after the last word I ask myself: "But did he really write, or at least say, what he saw? Or who helped you fix the visa changed the descriptions arbitrarily?». And I feel inclined to accept this last thought, because it does not seem possible to me that a God-loving soul can afford to alter the truth. Jesus, in his conference today, answers me like this... Perhaps the Church will also serve this lesson. What is certain is that I will keep the book of Sister Josepha for myself, because I feel my Jesus in you. But I'll give the other one away as soon as I show it to P. Berti some things I noticed in it. To those who have not seen reality may like it. But not to me, in fact it makes me unhappy because it diminishes the greatness of the figure of Jesus and that of Mary.
I converted to Catholicism in 1969 and I only found out about purgatory through my own reading and listening. I think maybe I have heard one priest mention it and that was quite recently. I have asked Jesus and heaven many times what my purpose is and I now believe it to be praying for the souls in purgatory and those that need conversion.
My grandfather was a massive influence on my faith growing up. He gave me a book called Holy Souls. It’s a collection of stories from the life of Padre Pio and his contact with souls in purgatory. He always said after you read it youll never be done praying for them 😆 and he wasnt wrong! Since reading it, I also feel a strong calling to always pray for the souls in purgatory.
Too many Novus Ordo priests refuse to promote full teachings, including Purgatory, in the idea that it will stop conversions.
@@carolereichert8844 I went to a catholic primary and secondary school and I never even heard of purgatory until I was 12 in history class learning about selling indulgences. I actually remember my teacher saying she wasn’t even sure if the Church still teaches about Purgatory
@@clarekuehn4372 too few latinistas "priests" are Christ-like......including God's love and mercy...St Faustina pray for us.
Thank you Robert 🙏❤️
She sees the priest who opposed her in purgatory, now there's a coincidence.
@@SaintOsburg It is quite likely that the great majority of Christians need purification in purgatory before entering heaven.
at least is just purgatorty
She's bedridden, gravely ill, and endures through 20,000 pages of impressions from Jesus, and then endures derision from some Church authorities. So our Lord gives her the small consolation of seeing her detractor in contrition. After all the faithful dictation that came before, what kind of heart presumes she chose to fabricate this impression?
My faith would not be where it is today if it wasnt for my grandfather. He was a great teacher to me in our faith. When i was a teenager he told me about maria valtorta and poem of the man-god and since then ive always been interested in her writings. Over the last 2 years, I’ve been heavily invested in them as well as your channel Robert. I actually sometimes wondered if you were aware of Valtorta so you could imagine my surprise when I seen you starting to promote her work! Keep it up, this has brought the poem into a whole new light for me and many others I hope. God bless
Another good insight on the writings of Maria Valtorta.
What these writings have done for me personally is burn the gospel so deep into my brain in complete vividness that if we no longer had access to sacred scripture I could still recall it all. These writings are supernatural in their ability to bring us so close to our Lord and his mother they have changed everything for me. I tremble now when I take the Eucharist my heart is so full. Like I said on another video start with volume ten and get right that into the passion it will change everything for you.
Bl. Carlo Acutis was very concerned with the souls in purgatory. He wanted to go straight to heaven and avoid purgatory. Why doesn’t the church warn of Purgatory. It’s fires we are silent regarding the Last Things. Why is this ? I don’t understand.
The Church has evil men at the top... Peter has failed - "get behind me satan"
Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Purgatory is a place of purification and preparation for heaven. It's not a mini hell. Most of us, if we are lucky will get a stint in Purgatory.
St. Augustine said the fires of Purgatory are the same as of hell. The only difference is that they are not eternal and there's hope for those souls. That hope and the consolation they get from the angels and Saints gives them joy in the midst of sorrow. All the suffering on earth from the time of Adam to the last manager on earth combined and imposed on one person are like a slap on the wrist in comparison to the sufferings in Purgatory. They pale extremely, so says the saints and what souls in Purgatory have received. So the purification is really painful. Let's strive to get purified here and lessen as much as we can, our time in Purgatory, thru gaining indulgences and praying for the Holy souls and striving to grow in virtue
We need to keep in mind that both Pope Benedict XVI and Fr Mitch Pacwa were quite critical of Maria Valtorta’s work and for good reason.
Mitch Pacwa didn't read all her works and Pope Benedict didn't restrict them
Thank You.
Asking for a friend: So if you don't appreciate the work of this mystic then you end up in purgatory for a long time...sounds diabolical.
He worked to stop the work being known, there is a difference
Great comment! You will hear this same sentiment if you don't believe that Medjugorje is of God. In other words, if you don't go along with their cult like following of a alledged mystic or apparition, they try to shame you.
@@monicamohan4720 I agree. In general, the Church should be suspect of personal revelation. Having a "vision" of someone who disagrees with your work in purgatory seems only slightly self-serving. He apparently was a decent theologian who rightly saw issues with Nouvelle théologie amongst other things.
So You give authority to a non recognized seer who is in severe doubt, but who gives authority of fear to her own writings telling of a punishment for a sceptical priest. This is enough for me to not believe these writings. I have read some of the writings. But this fact shows me more proof of her being wrong.
Its a message to the Church not to dismiss the prophets God has sent humanity to call us back to him.
@@thecatholicman First of all You should acknowledge, that there are books also written by Saints of the Church for the discernment of the spirits. Look at the false prophets of the Old Testament for proof. Then You shold read books like those of the author Tanquerey or Poulain´s Graces of interior Prayer for the discernment of the Spirits. Not to forget Egon von Petersdorff´s Daemonologie. There are many examples for false prophets who were influenced by the devil. A seer who uses the methods mentioned above shows already enough signs for his - in this case her - "constat de non supernaturale". Read these books (I have read them in English, French and German, including the Dogmatik of Scheeben). You can also read Scaramelli. If You have not studied them, You should definetly stay away from prvate revelation not acknowledged by the church. There are so many false seers in the world. How many will fall into the abyss because of this. God can with his absolute power always let the church acknowledge the true ones. Really, You should give Poulain a try. Especially the english translation of the french original is very good and full of examples of definetly false seers. He explains also the Aftermystic of the false religions.
Great comment...too many spend way too much time chasing "signs and wonders" - which the Bible warns against - and then try to shame others who don't believe as they do in these alledged apparitions and visionaries.
We know that everything she wrote is from a supernatural source, but how do we know her writings are from God and not something else. With that being said, I have all her books and love her writings. I hope the what I’m reading comes from God.
So many comments stray from the point. Our mdern age of hyper rationalism has been gifted with treasures like the Shroud and the Poem. They force objective science (and modern society) to admit a profound supernatural reality. We fail to appreciate how obvious this truth was in prior centuries . . . and how impaired we are because of it. We should be weeping for joy that our Lord has set up these things for our unique time.
Give me a break!
Where do you read Montini tried to get the work approved? Stephen Austin's Summa? Thanks, Michael.
Montini commissioned her works for Vatican library. And he was secretary to Pius XIi when the work was in the motions of being published. I don’t know how much if any was his role, he definitely knew about her works.
@thecatholicman OK, I heard he wrote a preface for Roschini's "BVM in the writings of Maria Valtorta" My fear is that certain hierarchs use the work for themselves with no impetus to make it known to others. Or worse, twist truths found in the work to cause confusion and harmful doctrines. Did they not have power to make it known while they were pope? Doesn't the Eternal Father say Pius XII was "another star falling from heaven" in the Little Notebooks, because lack of approval?
I really appreciate your highlighting/inviting us to know more about Maria Valtorta’s writings. My dad is fascinated by them. I myself have not read them and the main hesitation I have is that I read somewhere that Maria Valtorta didn’t have a good opinion of Blessed Ann Catherine Emmerich’s visions, which I deeply love and appreciate. What is your understanding in regards to this? Thanks!
I've read her works. They began my process of conversion and officially Marked the beginning of my journey to the catholic Church. Through her works, I got the grace to be strong and convert, especially as I was filled with so much fear.
Her writings are like no other I've seen. The life of Christ in everyday affairs, which she wrote, is so inspiring.
I suggest that you do more research to verify her opinions of Ann Catherine, perhaps it was someone who misunderstood her or something. I believe Maria Varltota is a saint. Her 5 volumes, the Poem of the Man God, helped me up when I was deep into despair. God bless her for accepting to be his little John
Robert : find The Greatest Man in History speech by Anthony Hopkins on TH-cam. Impressive.
On the issue of Voltorta, you make a compelling argument. The risk here is that Voltortas writings could then become subject to exegesis - so what happens then?
My advice is to follow the advice of the supreme pontiff Pius XIi and just read them. If there were dangers in her writings Ratizinger would have warned us
I haven’t read her works, though I am inclined to do so and may well do so in the near future.
I am a great believer in St Faustina and her diary. I know it’s all through through the great and frightening awakening I was blessed with in the very early nineties. I have no doubt whatsoever about the validity of her Diary and am certain that it is all true, yet the greatest resistance to the Diary comes from priests and bishops? In particular, Traditional priests (TLM). I go almost exclusively to TLM masses on a daily basis and I find the priests exceptional, but I meet a brick wall when it comes to Divine Mercy. They seem to have the notion that the Diary makes God’s Mercy to be too accessible and easy when, in fact, the opposite is the case.
What it actually does is follow the teachings of the Catechism of the Catholic Church to the letter, and leaves one in no doubt that Hell exists and that each one of us could end up there even if we are in full knowledge of the faith and know what the consequences of our sins are.
We strive for God’s Grace, but the stain of original sin will be with us until we die. This is the lever Satan uses against us and we have a constant, never ending struggle to resist him.
Onaly the Sacraments will support us and we ever think we have conquered the beast, that the point at which he will be most likely to strike - and hard!
Thank you Robert and God bless to you and all your audience and their loved ones. The Truth will set us free!
Wow… you fell hook line and sinker, huh? Evidently you didn’t get to the weird parts yet. Our Lord joking with St. Peter about impure thoughts and such. Her works are crazy.
Really, care to share with Chapter you found that in?
Vol. II n. 199 p.185
There are many more very troubling and problematic verses in this work, which is actually why it was condemned over and over again.
The title in itself is problematic which is most likely why it was changed.
@ the title “words that give eternal life” is what Christ asked for. As for Chapter 199, that’s in Vol III and nowhere does Christ joke about impure thoughts, (not in the original text which I read in Italian) Jesus jokes with Peter because his mother has convinced them to take an orphan.
Steer well clear of M valtorta. The fact that her writings stir up division and controversy should be a sign that the devil is in the details. It seems Robert you are somewhat obsessed with promoting her and going to great lengths to propagate her writings, very cultish it appears. Stick to Sacred scripture, sacred tradition and the magisterium of the Catholic Church and stop leading people down a path of non approved and erroneous mystics.
I think your advice about sticking to sacred Scripture is very wise.
I've never read the books which Robert is referring to. However having listened to Robert reading the books on his podcast, I have to wonder if the details in the book add to, or detract from, Scripture.
Also I am very wary that words allegedly spoken are true and I am also very wary of the descriptions and locations described in the book. I simply cannot decide if the contents of the book are truthful or not.
My misgivings are seated in the fact that what I have heard from the books have neither added to, or detracted from, the Gospel. I said that for me only.
And that being the case I remain very very wary of the words that this book attributes to Jesus Christ, to the Holy Family and the Apostles.
The sign of contradiction to which you refer is rather His sign...
Excellent comment!!!
your comment is copy paste what was said about Padre Pio and Sister Faustina. Look around the Church, what Valtorta said would happen is happening all around us.
A question..Why does the modern church say nothing of praying in tongues? Praying to the Holy Spirit.A gift! the church has lost sadly..
No idea. I never pray words I don’t understand
@@thecatholicman I agree. There is no need for that stuff. If you want to pray in a language that people don't understand, at least have it in Latin which is beautiful and a language that was inscribed on the Cross of our Lord (along with Greek and Hebrew).
Is not that M Valtorta had a bad fillings about Bl K Emmerich but because dictation Katherine to Mr Brentano and he twisted many things and distorted example (pillar of the flaglation)
January 28, 1949
Today January 28, 1949
This is how Jesus responds to my perplexity. Jesus says:
«I have never allowed you to know books of real revelation, or books in which you talk about visions of this or that creature. Now I've allowed it. I actually inspired others to bring you these two books, which otherwise you would never have known.
And from now on I say to you: read everything that speaks of Me, if you want to do it; but you for the first time will forbid yourself that reading, because every man's narrative will seem too mean to you, it will make you nauseous, and you will reject the book.
You are no longer given to taste books about Me, books of men, because you have seen the true truth of my life and death, and every word of a writer, not a seer, will seem empty, theatrical, insincere, mannered, cloying. You can still find Me, the royal Jesus, Master or Martyr, in the pages of a few, few souls to whom I, I myself have revealed myself, as Master and as a martyr. In those yes, you will still find me. In fact, you have already found me, without making a mistake in judgment, in Josefa's book. Because there really is me, just as I am in the pages you have written in these 5 years.
The other book left you uncertain, even more: dissatisfied; even more: upset, almost nauseated... You're right! You didn't find Me. The true Jesus. Not my real events. Not my mother. Not his real palpitations. Not the world then. To those who are nourished with the living marrow of truth, to those to whom I have been truly "seen", cannot please the taste of the things worked by men. And these pages have been very worked by men (the pages of the revelations of A. C. Hemmerich [Emmerich]). And you asked yourself: "But then this woman, who is also said to love God so much, didn't she tell the truth?".
I answer you, with charity but also with justice, reminding you to bring back to your spirit the conditions that I told you were indispensable in a tool to be a perfect tool: constant humility, scrupulous sincerity, total obedience. The German had these virtues. I'll answer you:
These pages, for a complex of things, are not a mirror to the truth of things seen. The dust of humanity has corrupted the purity of truth. Men wanted to add to the work of God and have disfigured. As always. As it would have happened to the visions I gave you, if you, or others, had wanted to add... or modify. You thinking of making the story more beautiful. Others thinking of making it more perfect. You and the others would have wasted everything. Only God is Truth, only God is perfect Author.
And, in this case, my teaching Church is right to be perplexed for many years in defining the revelations of Anna-Caterina. In this case. In yours she doesn't have to be perplexed. Because even a simple good sense, and a fair sense, reading the pages you wrote by seeing, and comparing them to those of the German, feels the difference, feels Me in yours, feels the historical, pure truth of your narration.
In Josefa I am. And you immediately heard me. As you heard me in the few words that P. sent you. Berti as from writings sent by Mr Crovella.
My style is one. I will be able to amplify my words to do complete work like the one I gave you, or reduce like Josefa, but you can hear me.
You will show this to the Father. And read, if you can, how much it says about my Life. Now you can read. Because for two years you have seen and written everything about Me.
However, I still forbid you to read other books that deal with the Epistles or the Apostolic Acts. I just want to teast you. Me: God. I as Father, I as Son, I as Holy Spirit.
For you alone or for all I only your Master; nor do I want any other Wisdom other than mine to enter into your virgin ignorance, into your always virgin ignorance that immediately returns as such as soon as God's teaching ceases. And that's how I like it to be, because I want you "little", I want you "poor", to make you grow alone, to make you rich I alone. Hungry I want you for Me, but I alone want to be the Bread that satiates your hunger for supernatural Wisdom.
Remember: in Josefa I am like in you. In Anna they are those who wanted to adorn the perfect, and gave the perfect a face that was no longer his».
My note to make this dictation understandable.
The 22nd c.m. Giovanni Chessa brought me books of Saints' lives to distribute to souls eager for good reading. He did it other times, and those old books served me to do good to different creatures. I distributed them without reading them.
This time he brings me the book "Invital to Love" (writings by Sier M. Josefa Menendez)
It had been a long time since I wanted to read these writings, since by chance I had been sent a small image of the Spanish Sous. But I had always forbidden myself to look for the book, since Jesus had forbidden me to read books of revelations, or the like, saying that only He wanted to educate me.
With the book by Suor Josefa, which is adorned with a preface by the then Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli (1938), Chessa brings me "the Revelations of A. C. Hemmerich". I say to myself: "This time I'll read them! I always hear about it! Let's see!».
And Jesus appears to me saying: "Read, read! But start with this» and points to the book by Sier Josefa. I'm amazed by Jesus' smile, ... different from his usual. He almost seems to be teasing me gently. I obey.
In the writings of the Spanish I hear my Jesus. I find it all. And in the lessons and descriptions of the Passion.
But in the other! What a disappointment! I remain disconcerted! So much so that after the last word I ask myself: "But did he really write, or at least say, what he saw? Or who helped you fix the visa changed the descriptions arbitrarily?». And I feel inclined to accept this last thought, because it does not seem possible to me that a God-loving soul can afford to alter the truth.
Jesus, in his conference today, answers me like this... Perhaps the Church will also serve this lesson.
What is certain is that I will keep the book of Sister Josepha for myself, because I feel my Jesus in you. But I'll give the other one away as soon as I show it to P. Berti some things I noticed in it.
To those who have not seen reality may like it. But not to me, in fact it makes me unhappy because it diminishes the greatness of the figure of Jesus and that of Mary.
You seem to believe any nutty thing
All documented. Part of the history of the opposition to her work.