Things I Hate About MMORPGs
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MMORPGs can, at times be really fun games, banding together with large groups of players doing epic stuff like fighting dragons, sieging cities and hunting down legendary loot to spike your dopamine, however as someone that’s been covering MMOs on TH-cam for the past 8 years I’ve realized that a lot of them have similar problems, often times when I’m doing my first impression pros and cons list a lot of the cons for one MMO could be directly applied to another MMO and It’s made me realize that there’s certain things MMOs do that really piss me off, so today I’m gonna have a bit of a rant about all the things I HATE about MMORPGs.
What do hate about the MMORPG genre in 2023? do you agree with any of my points? or perhaps you have your own things you dislike about the MMO genre, let me know in the comments below!
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Massively multiplayer online role-playing game MMORPG Wikipedia Description
A massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) is a video game that combines aspects of a role-playing video game and a massively multiplayer online game.
As in role-playing games (RPGs), the player assumes the role of a character (often in a fantasy world or science-fiction world) and takes control over many of that character's actions. MMORPGs are distinguished from single-player or small multi-player online RPGs by the number of players able to interact together, and by the game's persistent world (usually hosted by the game's publisher), which continues to exist and evolve while the player is offline and away from the game.
MMORPGs are played throughout the world. Global revenues for MMORPGs exceeded half a billion dollars in 2005, and the western world's revenues exceeded a billion dollars in 2006. In 2008, the spending on subscription MMORPGs by consumers in North America and Europe grew to $1.4 billion. World of Warcraft, a popular MMORPG, had over 10 million subscribers as of November 2014. World of Warcraft's total revenue was $1.04 billion US dollars in 2014. Star Wars: The Old Republic, released in 2011, became the world's "fastest-growing subscription MMO in history" after gaining more than 1 million players within the first three days of its launch.
Common features
Although modern MMORPGs sometimes differ dramatically from their predecessors, many of them share the same basic characteristics. These include several common features:
persistent game environment
some form of level progression
social interaction within the game
in-game culture
system architecture
membership in a group
character customization.
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Things I Hate About MMORPGs
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unnecessary loot items - DEFINITELY one of the worst parts of MMO experience.
While you mentioned it in GW2 as one of the reasons why you dont get much into GW2, its prevalent across most if not all MMORPGs and its a headache to deal with, specially so because it takes you hours of what should be time spent adventuring, just sorting out all the loot and deciding if or not to toss it away.
Even worse its when you can't sell it and its needed to craft a certain item which you may want in the future, but since you can't get it through the shop, you just have to keep in inventory until you are ready to craft it.
disliked the video just for that
@@istheway-gu6yoYou disliked the video because they need to pay rent? Just skip the ad.
@@istheway-gu6yothat wont bring meaning to your miserable life
Here are some things I hate about MMORPGs in 2023. And here is an ad for Raid Shadow Legends, which contains quite a few of these issues......Oh. you didn't say the last part :)
When they take 2 decades to release.
True 🤣
Lol, Ashes of Creation? @AshesofRelation I’ve seen your channel. I’ve had to step away from Ashes. I got too hyped
@@mikeferris6032 Ashes is at 5 years, i think that is more than fair for a game that size and feature-richness. Camelot Unchained or Star Citizen however... they are nearing that ballpark ^^
@@TheLazyPeon great points here. I really hope Intrepid does a good job mitigating RMT as much as possible. I’m going to make a video on that soon. Thanks for covering Ashes! You’re the one who put me on to it.
Ases of secretion ?
In MMORPGs I hate...when leveling feels like an inconvenience to reach end-game content. I'd much rather play a game where the entire game is about the leveling experience, and group-centric content and raids occur across all levels rather than just the end-game.
Agree. Like Gnomeragon felt like a raid too
i really miss that. in older mmorpgs i think i never reached the lvl cap and still got a lot lot lot of fun from the game.
now it feels like they are creating 90% of the world just for you to walk trough it and do few quests in every area to then be stuck forever in last town farming "endgame" dungeons and sht
imo lvl cap should be only reachable for total mega no lifers
Guild wars 2 has that tbh
Agree. Apart from the group-centric crap ;-p.
wow classic era is the only one thats been like that for me
Daily chore list is a killer for me, I don't mind grindy rewards, but let me do at my own pace.
I do chores every day. I really don't want to feel obliged to do things in a game I don't enjoy.
Can't stand dailies
Agreed. I love collecting things and don't mind a grind now and then. But when it's tied to dailies and the like, they eventually make me quit. I usually like them for a while, but eventually want to take a break without feeling like I'm "missing out" on chances, etc.
But he promotes RAID🤣
@@DragonXDrei We all gotta make a living.
Biggest problem I have with every newer MMO is that it feels like a game. In EQ, DAOC, Vanilla WoW, CoH and other old MMOs I just felt like I lived in the game and it was just an alternate dimension or reality. New MMOS are like, "THIS IS A GAME! DO THIS! AND THIS! AND THIS! AND DO THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE OR YOU WILL FOREVER BE BEHIND!"
Yes! Like i started vanilla WoW late but i didnt feel like i had to be 60 quickly
When a guy dressed like Tron wielding a giant candycane sword is riding a giant pink plush turtle, is waiting by you for an event to pop. It kinda takes you out of immersion.
Novelty, yep....Unfortunantly, it's something that is incredibly difficult to recreate nor comes easy.
Devs openly talk about "gamifying" systems (making them more game-y). Last one I heard was Dev Katy in NW saying they wanted to "gamify" world pvp (which they ended up doing).
thats because you/were we young and had no grasp of reality
"Things i hate about MMORPGs"
My Subconscious self instinctively replying : "The Inept money hungry companies behind them"
The random fextralife stray was deserved 😂
In most mmos I enjoy the leveling process and then find that to get into any form of static requires a minimum gear score. I generally do that math just after hitting max level and decide that it isn’t worth continuing.
And another thing. If crafting exists, make it a real and viable option. A lot of games will have a decent crafting system and then not allow players to actually get gear through crafting that would even allow them to participate in end game.
iirc, Revelation Online has a gear crafting system that if you got lucky with the rolls then it can be your end game gears until new ones are introduced. Tho again its RNG-based so that is the downside.
@@R1L6N and Revelation Online is a Chinese game at it's core, published by a shit Russian company, not really much to unpack there.
"Oh great! Fun! an actual crafting system...Oh. Right. Stuck making rubbish for 6 months that I can't even sell. Great, not". Don't get me started about "Oh Crap. I picked up too many rocks. Now I can't even walk". Lol.
Many good points. I think the problem is.. many of these are kinda.. major parts of what mobile games come with, are normal and even sometimes needed in those. And then they kinda seeped into "real" MMOs, where many of these things don't belong.
Some of these really just boil down to people who as kids / teens used to enjoy MMOs growing up and realizing that time is valuable.
Wrong
Yep, these games by design are supposed to take thousands of hours of course now we realize as players time is precious. The middle ground is an mmo that probably dies in like a month or 2, about the same time a single player game peaks in the market
On the inventory system front, I feel MMO's should take a note from Survival RPG's. Like Valhim where everything you take maters, each outing you have to prepare for ahead of time. A lot of MMO's don't have enough risk or struggle outside of some dps checks on bosses, etc.
Basically Albion Online. It does so much right from a world mechanics perspective. If the combat was better it would be so good. The combat is still okay, but leaves me wanting more.
I agree on the glmaour/transmog opinion. Though in classic wow it was really cool to know a players entire history in a single glance. They were as geared as the adventure they had been on. That storytelling (among all other relevant atorytelling) doesnt exist in modern day MMOGs (they arent really rpgs anymore)
It's weird, I think it both adds to and detracts from the RP element.
I love what you say about the storytelling of the gear that someone has, and think that's really cool. But at the same time, I love that I can totally customise my character and make them look the way I think they should look. In a way transmog let's me show the personality of my character (at least in my mind).
It's a bit of a trade off.
@@devoutchaos375 I think a good compromise would be to unlock transmog at max level. Or maybe needing an achievement for it. Being able to put on gear from the latest raid at level 1 doesn't make much sense.
@@renealbrechtsen9743 In FF14, the Transmog gear has to match the Level of your Character.
I love Transmog, I often find the EndGame Gear ridiculously ugly and unfitting for the role I'm playing. So I always pick something that looks like proper fighting-fit armor but also pleases my aesthetic senses. I also hate it that, if there's no Transmog, at some point everyone looks the same pretty much. There's no individuality or personality. Rarely there's MMORPGs where certain pieces are so rare that it really makes you look up to a player when you see them in that rare armor. Most of the time it's only a matter of a few weeks until a lot of players wear the self same shit. That's a problem FF11 had in it's earlier stages. Paired with the very limited character creator, you had so many copy pasta characters in that game. So I'm so happy that in this time and age we have Transmog and I can truly bring my Character to live.
For me the best solution is to have a button to hide transmog, so that would be client side only.
Transmog isnt just what he said though. Transmog being having the ability to change your gears look and retain attributes is essential in any game that has gear imo. And it should be built in and free. If I've unlocked a design, I should be able to switch to it at any time and change how I look and mix and match. Having skins on the market place to transmog with though, being what he and you are referring to, is where that problem comes in, where looking cool is no longer achieved, but bought. could you imagine if something like Fortnite, if you had to earn the skins? 99% of the player base, kids,who play the game just to look like X character while they do it, would drop it immediately if they had to win 100 games with only a pistol to unlock Gokus skin.
My favorite part of MMOs are the memories made with the community. They truly last a lifetime.
That can happen in any multiplayer game tho
@@supercal3944 mmos used to bring strangers together. Nowadays they just drive them away.
Everyone is either competition, a threat, or a ghost.
I still remember my first trip to jueno in final fantasy 11 like 16 years ago.
Was an epic journey.
Also my first trip to the valkurn dunes from windsurst
100% agree. I had experiences in MMOs from 15-20 years ago that I don't think are even possible anymore.
@@Megaman8880 you used to ask people in the game when you got stuck on something, now, information is so easily searchable online that I guess most don't bother.
Great video! Inventory management and bad UIs are definitely the things that get under my skin the most! While I understand some limitations may have their origins in code architecture, or lack thereof, but that still doesn't keep them from profiting off of selling us more bags or retainers for storage!
One of the problems with today's mmorpgs, is that there isn't an infinite amount of players in that category. Which means that most of the players already has "their game", which means a new mmorpg has to blow all the other competitors out of the water to actually get a stable player base.
This is literally every single genre, franchise or a set of similar games. Not unique to MMOs, mate.
Like CoD dude-bros will only buy and play CoD cause it is "their game"/"their fravourite franchise".
@@diamondhamster4320 But CoD needs 16 people to fill a lobby, an MMO needs an entire economy and has PvE/PvP sometimes WvW content that needs to be filled. It relies on way more people to carry the game to its fullest potential and is in that sense more difficult and player relient than a game like CoD or LoL.
@@joey5106 I was talking about the brand/franchise loyalty/tribalism aspect of it not the amount of people needed to fill a lobby, mate.
@@diamondhamster4320 I know, and I am not saying you are wrong because you aren't. I am just adding the extra bit of extra information that while you are correct, that mentality of players is less detrimental in the shooter/moba genre than it is in an MMO, have a nice day! :)
Great video. What I want every MMO design to think about when creating a game is: "how does this feature contribute to having a positive experience with other players?" There are some really great single player games out there. The thing that is going to pull me away from those and into an MMO is playing content with other players. Having challenges that are larger in scale and/or complexity that require multiple people to complete. Most of the examples in TheLazyPeon's video are exactly that. Chores and inventory management are two of the greatest sins in MMOs. How many times have you played an MMO and your buddy says, hold on, I have to finish this chore and empty my bags first.
That all said, my number one frustration with MMOs is builds. Seriously. In most games, the concept of a character build system is just a false sense of choice. Most options are there just for companies to make ridiculous statements like "Oh wow, we have so much choice", "We have X gazillion ways to build your character", or just "Make your own path". In truth, builds usually come down to whether you are willing to max/min your playstyle in that one way to achieve x% better results, the typical build most players should use, and that one niche build that works in that one fight. If MMO companies cannot present well balanced system for the "make your own path" systems, then limit the number of choices we have to the level that you are able to provide game balance.
You bring some very good points, I would say that for transmog, the only problem is the cash shop and not the system itself. If you worked hard on getting a super skin ingame but the item doesn't fit your build, I think it's nice if you could transmog it to an other item. To me, making a build is as enjoyable as finding the perfect appearance for my character so I like having options. But being able to buy skins with real money and having lvl 2 characters look better than endgame character is a big nope.
That's totally a delusional thought. You're prob still below 99 tiers of content.
Inventory space can be a cool form of progression. I personally feel like in vanilla wow getting bag drops, targeting quests that give bags, leveling tailoring or finding a tailor to make bags for you, managing inventory while leveling to maximize gold gained, etc. Is actually a fun mechanic that makes you feel your character growing in power beyond just damage and hp. That said in almost every other mmo I've played limited inventory space feels terrible and tacked on to get you to buy microtransactions.
True, I do like it when it's part of progression, unfortunately more often than not these days it's just sold on the cash shop
WoW's inventory and item system is something I didn't expect to miss so much when I started playing other MMO's where that style is not the norm and space is much more limited. I've always been a hoarder in games and WoW was perfect in that regard since I could just max out my inventory and create more alts if I ran out of space on one. Just let more hoard as many items as I possible so I can enjoy the game itself and not have to go and constantly do errands, like managing inventory space
Tibia to this day did the best, it uses weight, and you can expand your inventory as much as you want if you can carry it... yes usually it sucks, but the weight system in Tibia is fair enough where you can carry everything you need...
~unless you're a low level mage, but usually that's solved very quickly nowdays by leveling...
~~also you have infinite storage space for free.
WoW will never be big without balanced PvP servers and cheaper character boosts. also heirlooms + unbalanced servers without social interaction in open world
the cash shop makes progression into a chore because it becomes obvious you're getting spammed with junk items to make you buy more space. Also in classic even some white items are a huge gold injection (weapon drops) so almost everything in your inventory is something valuable@@TheLazyPeon
An extremely underrated feature from AQW, is having one account and equippable classes. Earning classes from grinding reputation in areas was really fun.
I believe that's why people like New World, you don't have to have 5 toons to grind separately if you want a change in playstyle.
In my opinion there are 2 ways devs should treat alts:
- Either have them as equippable classes like FFXIV has, so you can do all progression on one character (may break immersion though, maybe a class feels better as a different race) or,
- Have an alt automatically level to the highest leveled character on that account, because lets face it, leveling is supposed to "teach you" the fundamentals of a game, if your only difference is class specific abilities then... do you really need to kill 100 kobolds, speak to XYZ, and do 16-30 hours of content to reach "max level"? does it add to the experience? no.
I really loved the creative 4th wall breaking that Lost Ark did, with shifting camera perspectives, it also felt good doing guardian raids for the first time, they could make good open world bosses, loved the minigames put into boss fights, but to hell with the implementation of "1 person does mistake, whole raid wipes", P2W systems and gated alt grinding, daily chores and alike, if that game had a better more meaningful MMORPG progression loop on a subscription service I'd gladly pay for it and continue playing it, the things it did good were spectacular and the things it did bad were just awful.
@@apocrisy3588 I think it depends on how levelling is approached in games as well. For example in Classic WoW where levelling is part of the journey and the fun you wouldn't want people to skip the levelling process entirely. Furthermore in the case where classes play completely different to each other (which is the way it should be instead of them being a homogenized mess) you would need to learn how to play your class through the levelling experience. Levelling can be fun if done right. Starting from the same point with every character and class regardless of race is a mistake, it hurts the world building and does not give you the feeling that you are building your character. It essentially takes the RPG out of MMORPG.
You can play DPS/BoonDPS/BoonHEAL with one class in GW2. Plus exotic stuff is quiet enough to clear almost every end game content. Why would you quit that game for a bad gameplay and a monthtly subscription ??? Some people want to waste their money on real crap here.@@wdasgo1122
Agree with everything except the account-wide progression thing. If I start a new character, I want to play a new character. A fresh experience. It's the same with singleplayer games that don't let you replay the tutorial. Sure, most people wouldn't want to anyway, but if I'm playing a game and I know that certain parts are replayable while others aren't, it just stresses me out.
I think a compromise between these two viewpoints could be reached by tying progression to servers, so all of your characters in the same server would benefit from "server/account-wide progression" while making a new character on a different server would have you start from scratch.
@@ArthurDraco that seems like a great idea! Maybe that could also encourage players (without forcing them) to primarily stick to one server, which is also something a lot of older MMO players miss, from what I've heard and read.
Kinda not surprised that when it came to alt-friendly features you didn't highlight FFXIV being one of the best examples of how to do it right since you can do every job on one character. Which helps your attachment to that character since you won't have a need for an alt unless you wanted to play as a different race without using a Fantasia
the weakness of ff xiv would be the questing and combat tho, and everybody looks like a hooker
Agree with all of your points, especially the transmog point. I really miss the days where I could look at someone and think his gear is cool asf, which in turn would make me want to take part of end game more
The inventory thing... is one of the biggest reasons why I stopped playing GW2 and BDO (not the only reasons but one of the biggest reasons). I had sessions that were over an hour long in BDO just to sort out the items, decide which ones I should keep in my storage and which ones I should sell (which I never would've done if a friend wouldn't have helped me). It's almost like every single item is part of another feature in the game.
maybe its because i GW2 is my main MMO, but inventory was never a complaint to me. Quick button to auto deposit mats into your bank, sell junk to a vendor, and right click and break down all gear of X rarity and lower. you can buy specific bags that hold specific gear to keep it organized visually (idk how he or others play with the "one big bag" option, I have mine split so that all those different items are grouped together automatically). The only problem is there are a lot of items over the years that once the event is done, the item is useless. or so you assume. there are a bunch of items like that, especially if you're a long time player, where you're like, do i need this still? but thats as someone whos been playing since launch. not something a new player will have to deal with really.
@@hoofhearted4Yeah in GW2 it wasn't as bad as in BDO. But I remember at some point I had lots of different special items in my inventory and I didn't know what those items were for. Some of them are like you have to collect X amount of that item for it to be actually useable? Some items directed to an NPC I need to interact with, etc. Maybe that's the event stuff you were talking about 😅
@@hoofhearted4the very point you have to play the game with a specific bag option that is bought from the shop must show you there is an issue with the system.
But even ignoring that. What you describe is a chore. Store this, destroy that, store that... all things that you have learned to do mechanically. That is a chore. It's not a fun part of the game, it's something you have to do, for the sake of continuing. And even if it's not taking you that long... why do you have to do it?
But I have to say that I have also quit gw2 because of all the items and junk that is thrown in my inventory. I never reached far into the game and this was one of the main reasons why. Level up - items and boxes with items. Log in - items and boxes with items... and a lot of them as a fairly new player you have no idea of what to do with. Should I use this buff/boost now or store it for later, what are those packs, do I want to open them now and fill my bag and spend more time managing the inventory, or ignore them and proceed with the gameplay, what the f are those tokens, do I want to use this xp boost and level up just to get more "bonuses" and items as a "reward"... Then I hear people say "this or that game is bad because it has autoplay and it plays itself, just play gw2" and I think to myself, well when I play gw2 I level up without playing the game, so is it any different?
as a person who don't have much time playing games I had many cases where I log in start sorting things out in my inventory because of all the junk I was rewarded for logging in, and then I had to go and do adult stuff. without actually playing the game. And the next day when I think of logging in instead of getting exited for a login bonus, I get frustrated because of it, and I may not enter just so I don't have to deal with it.
The game itself is good, it's great even. But damn if those things are not frustrating. Devs nowadays forget that streamlining is usually the best approach and instead add a bunch of fillers that actually make a lot of people irritated.
@@IcoKirov can't say I really agree honestly. Why do we have to do those things? Because those things break down into crafting materials or things you can sell. Economy is a big part of GW2, as is crafting. Having bags that auto organize loot doesn't speak to the problem whatsoever. You don't have to, you can use the view Peon shows and the things I said will work all the same and clean out 75% of your inventory at least. The complaint just sounds like you legit don't want to have anything to do besides combat which is fine, but then MMOs aren't really a gaming genre for you. As for all the bonuses, it's not as complicated as you make it seem. Just use the boost. All the stuff you get at login isnt much and most is auto deposited because it's crafting mats. And for anything you don't know, I mean for any game this size and age you're going to have to spend some time researching and learning. Again if GW2 is complicated, MMOs might not be your thing. I'd say GW2 is an entry MMO.
@@PerionTermia haha yup. Those are from heart events where you were collecting something and you had some extra. Can just safely destroy them.
Great vid. A lot of my own sentiments are reflected in here. I recently went back to WoW, just to try Hardcore, and while it did scratch the nostalgia itch, I was also reminded of some of the nigh inescapable aspects I don't like about current MMORPGs.
The limited bag system did make it really exciting when I found a bag drop, but the amount of quest items alone that clutter your very limited inventory was very annoying. Made me want at least a separate tab just for those. And seeing how many people were using Addons that guided them through the game, kind of felt like it negated the whole exploration aspect.
I also just really wish these games would pay more attention to the issues with bots and gold sellers and ban them, but it feels like to pad numbers and puff up subs, they're here to stay. And if a game touts being able to be AFK/Idle to play, then what is even the point of playing?
An issue I dislike that I didn't see brought up, was an abundance of systems within the games. I think this is more egregious for Asian MMOs, but having multiple levels of upgrades that you need to farm and manage for weapons and gear and skills, just gets so overwhelming and tedious it turns me right off. Especially if they are selling you the solutions of not having enough materials or having materials and/or items break during the process of utilizing the system.
"If I'm spending half of my playtime that I don't really find fun, then why am I playing in the first place?" Replace half with 90% and you just described Genshin Impact.
I do gotta say tho, these days AFK activities in BDO are very insignificant in comparison to actually grinding and doing active stuff. To the point that I really dont even feel the need to do it anymore. Out here grinding for over 1bil/hr and afk fishing overnight might make me like 5 minutes worth of grinding at BEST(including what workers would bring in overnight).
Asmongold & Thelazypeon should definitely group up a dev team with piratesoftware and publsih their own MMO with all the pros and none of the cons.
Should do a video picking out which mmorpgs have nailed a system the best.
This. I am very curious about this too. What I hear most from the mmo community is griping about games. But, what current games do what the gripers want? Not really calling Peon a griper, I have my annoyances with mmos too, but just curious what ppl are playing if they arent playing the games they are complaining about.
@@jwednesdaym hate sells better than praise.
The worst part about inventory management is that it's so much worse if you're a returning player and you forgot what half of the items are for and maybe are pointless now so u have no clue if u should keep it or not.
And the daily/timegate systems have been annoying me for a while now. I get it, it's the "fix" devs implemented to avoid having to put ridiculous grind in the game. Developers don't want players to finish all the new content in a few days and then stop playing. They used to implement crazy grinds so players would have to spend weeks or months getting everything but because players complained they had to find other ways to keep people playing. But honestly this daily timegate shit isn't the way. I rather deal with grind and have players who have more time get ahead of me than being locked out of progressing more when ifeel like playing.
About the quests & npcs talking though, i agree to some extent, however I think my favourite are when npcs have their dialogue while doing something like when they talk during gameplay or talk while going somewhere.
That’s what I loved about EverQuest, in the early days hardly anything dropped, and if you did get a drop it was something like bone chips which you really needed for a pet cast or a flask of water etc stuff you really needed.
BDO really does well with the RMT situation by disabling player trading. You simply can't RMT silver without selling Pearl shop stuff. To make any reasonable amount of silver off that would be thousands of real money which is nuts. The price caps are amazing too, the whales can't own the market because you simply can't devalue stuff to oblivion like WoW or FFXIV.
They left a huge loop hole open for years. There was an epidemic of bot guilds filling guild banks with trillions of silver via sailing, then you paid on Venmo for a guild spot on guild payout days. Life finds a way. This route is significantly nerfed now, but that pretty much just grandfathers in people with a lifetime supply of silver. People are still dominating markets on the most valuable items with this botted silver.
The problem with disabling trading is some ppl like to buy stuff for their friends and give it to them. You might say fine just disable the ability to trade money, but even that doesnt stop gold selling. BDO in its early stages let you trade potions which gold sellers would just buy enmasse from npcs and then give you them to sell to get money. So they can just do that with any item and then you still have to monitor every item. Well what about adding a gift option? Gold sellers will exploit that as well or just straight up sell you the item for cheaper that it is on the cash shop. Theres no real win against gold sellers. You might as well hire a team of ppl to just ban accounts associated with them until the players base just outright stops buying from them. And you better hope they dont start taking handouts from gold sellers and lying about doing their jobs either lol.
The fact that they’re metagamed to death 100%. Blind play throughs are harder to do without sheer willpower. I think back to Preach’s stuff.
Isn't that more so modern gaming in general? Every game has a meta, hell cookie clicker has a meta. Doesn't mean you have to adhere to it lmao.
Very nice video! Short, packed with useful information and good perspectives around every aspect such as adding pros and cons. Really enjoy watching your videos!
One way to solve the cons of transmog would be to make a sort of armour "adornment" system. Granted, it'd require a lot more work from the devs (and that's likely why it's not done).
I believe that an optimal system wouldn't allow for swapping the looks of one gear piece into another, but would have quite an extensive system of addons - things that you can tack onto your armour to add your personal touch, i.e: different capes, tabards, bags, pouches, bandoliers, belts, buckles, jewelry, fur, chains, cosmetic potions bottles, scrolls etc. etc.
If each piece of armour was customisable enough (especially if all of that was mixed with armour dyeing system), it'd nearly entirely nullify the need for transmog, and the players would have both the personalised outfits, and the ability to look at a player and see their power level (the Legendary Dragonscale Titanforged Armour will still be the Legendary Dragonscale Titanforged Armour at a glance, even if you tack on a heap of belts and buckles onto it).
EDIT: Bonus points if it's tied to gear progression, so that new types (or unique pieces when it comes to legendary stuff) of armour unlock bits and baubles that you can put on your other armour. I.e: if you unlock the aforementioned Legendary Dragonscale Titanforged Armour, now you can adorn your other armours with a bit of titanforged dragonscale etc.
That should keep the system fresh and loot rewarding.
Things you hate about MMOs could also be applied to Raid Shadowlegends :)
Seriously though, I got tired of Lost Ark especially figured I could just wait a few months and get powerpassed up instead of grinding.
I played BDO at launch for about six months, then returned about three months ago. It feels much better these days and progression is easier. Coming from Ultima Online at first, I disliked that in BDO I couldn’t sell my craftables directly to other players since it felt impersonal and removed RP opportunities… but I do agree it’s a good system considering the abuse of other systems.
Honestly, my favorite thing to do in BDO is just take my life skill tools and start randomly exploring a section of the world off of the main roads, finding rare gatherables or even a secret cave. Sure it’s not the most optimal game play in terms of silver, but with how seamless BDO is, the exploration is enjoyable.
Lmao. No hate, I know he needs to get paid and sponsors do that. But knowing I'm about to here a bunch of valid criticisms about games right after the same person reads an ad for raid shadow legends was funny and ironic.
I do like games where I can get lost in the world, instead of constantly checking a daily reset/boss timer/homework list thing.
I really need to take this approach myself, I keep coming back to BDO but get caught up in the grind for money and trying to be efficient at all times. I love the games atmosphere and I think I just need to slow down and not care about making lots of money or being efficient and just enjoy the game again. Especially since I'm not in a guild and play as a solo player so I don't pvp or anything.
Remember the Lineage 2 first chronicles, where u knew from the beginning what armour is good for each lvl and grade, inventory only with materials and recipes ... simple game but with awesome mechanics. Vote for Lineage 3
C4 was pinacle
Throne and Liberty is basically sequal for L2, glad devs decided to change mechanics behind the combat, removing auto play + fixing the combat makes me excited about the game again. If Throne & Liberty fails, I'm going back to Lineage 2 again...private server.
Bro when i heard the music in the beginning, I got struck by nostalgia really hard😢
@@JustFaithless yeah man... LazyPeon uses alot of Lineage2 music in his videos... so everytime I hear it I just have to listen to the whole Soundtrack... Dion Village.. Gludin... man... good times.
@@sallee132 I hope so too... but I think Ashes of creation will take the cake
i was really into wow like 10 years ago but it’s been awhile since i’ve been invested in another mmorpg. i would love to see your rec’s for ‘beginner’ mmo’s for those that aren’t familiar with the genre. the biggest hurdle, at least for me, is definitely the learning curve 😅
Idle gameplay is only well implemented if the reward of active gameplay (non idle/afk) are tenfold or more than idle's (and its capped) OR there's a system which requires you to not move to function like the merchant class' store in ragnarok online or fishing on some mmos, in ragnarok's case it has a command to afk you character while offline, and you just collect your profits in the other day
Non-game specific videos are amazing when you cover them😊
That short GW2 shot in the first 2 mins where you are clicking on individual things to salvage hurt to see. There is an "auto-salvage all x tier of item" that is life saving.
Side note: If you do ever pick it up again, you should definitely try Bladesworn warrior for big dmg hits (100-200k from charge up attack) and try crafting a legendary.
Bladesworn sucks
You rarely get its dragon steel move to hit that hard AND it relies way too much on that move for damage, the gunblade is just a flow generator
Berserker and Spellbreaker are better
Agreed but even with auto-salvage there are a ton of items that still get backed up, or items that you dont know if you should sell or if they are even worth selling as there are a TON of items that just outright qualify as junk that arent even worth selling and yet they are hard to identify as to if or not you will need them later on.
And dont even get me started on the items that you cant even sell. like when you craft a component for an item but you realize dont have enough to craft the entire item and it will take you a long time to get all the materials, so you are stuck with that component or various components and cant sell them so they just pile up in your inventory.
Transmog issue would be easily solved by keeping it behind a playtime-wall, where it is only unlocked after reaching endgame so you can be sure they played through the mainstory and have a minimum ability and experience level to be expected.
Also helps keep the immersion from being constantly broken by others
Can someone tell me the name or direct me towards a video of the song that starts at 6:20? I thought it was a WoW tavern theme, but I can't find it
1:51 to skip raid shadow legends
Every time I feel like playing a mmo now a days I end up on Project 1999. Also reading isn’t bad… reading and stories build the world. They make the world alive. FF14 wouldn’t be half as good without the story.
Hi , I have a little suggestion for a next vod. You have given several examples of bad characteristics of MMORPGs and some examples of how to avoid these problems, but I think it would be interesting examples of MMORPGs that do these characteristics right, not just the names like you do but a little bit more depth.
Love your content and thanks again for sharing it.
sry craig, not to curtail your video, i just thought it'd be good to add timestamps. these are pretty relevant, thanks for the vid o7
1. bad loot management 1:51
2. needing 3rd party build websites 3:52
3. dailies/weekly login chores 4:50
4. in game currency sold in cash shop 6:18
5. multiple gear sets 9:16
6. quantity over quality (questing) 10:12
7. add on requirements 12:13
8. alt unfriendly mmos 13:30
9. non-accountwide completionism 14:06
10. auto/afk gameplay 14:48
11. ugly UI 16:11
12. transmog (gear skins) 17:07
Man, I have to say that suggesting that more games should disable trading player to player is an awful suggestion. I know it can be used by gold sellers, but there are other ways around that that don't detract from other aspects of game enjoyment.
Regarding transmog, I think a lesser customization option would be ideal, something like a dye system that can be used on everything. Would allow some level of creativity and fashion, prevent every max level character of the same class from looking identical, but still allow any experienced player to ID a rough gear/power level at a glance.
Agreed on Transmog.
I think the solution is to tie it to gear level. WoW already ties it to armor class, and player level. You have some good level 20 options, but not all the epics and endgame options for when you hit max level. Now if the current raid skins were locked behind having gear that is comparable in gear level to those raid skins, then you'd know that the current set of raid content can only be worn by players that are wearing gear strong enough for current raid tier. So they'd have to unlock the costume by finding it, and then they'd also have to be good enough at pvp or rich enough to buy BiS or literally pug and pray to rnjesus in order to be dressed in top tier current content.
...And hopefully the devs don't think recolours of old content is enough reward incentive for a whole new raid encounter.
Please what song is playing at 4:00?
I have to say I pretty much agree with every point that you made with the exceptions of world-building quests and NPC's talking. Great vid and great takes.
I could be wrong but I think Lotro has an option to disable the transmog system and only display the original gear on other characters.
That would be sick
Would love that in GW2
Could someone tell me what song starts with: 17:20 in transmog part
Hey peon, love the content. Even the ones where you first went to Asia. Do you play MMOs solo or do you have a group of friends/ guild? That’s my biggest problem, the toxicity at end game of any mmo makes me quit everytime. Anytime I open my mouth or type in chat i immediately regret it.
Anything that lets players get gear even cosmetic, pisses me off, everything remotely cool should be hard to earn or earnable in the game, instantly ruins my immersion.
I actually play games for the sake of story and I prefer when there are interesting conversations happening between characters like he showed in GW2. To me, it makes me feel immersed in the world and shows me the extent of creativity and attention to detail that devs can make. In contrast, every game that generally only focuses on combat gets dropped once there's no story attached to it anymore so that's just my view on it
Same Peon sure aint a pay attention kind of gamer thats for sure .
I'm on the same boat. While I understand that immersion, storytelling and worldbuilding isn't going to be for everyone, 9/10 times the people who'd complain about a game taking its story too seriously would also be the same people to ditch a game for laser-focusing on the gameplay and having no cohesive narrative structure to carry it, ironically citing that to be the very reason why they quit.
That said, MMOs should give you the option to skip dialogues and scripted NPC interactions for those who want to get straight to the action. Not an MMO, but I think Cyberpunk 2077 did a fantastic job at pulling that off.
Same here. That Is the main reason why I enjoyed swtor
Attention to detail is exactly what I get out of FFXIV. Literally everything has lore including the rocks and soil. The story is also one of the best I have seen in any RPG but I must say I like the way GW2 goes about their main story since you can do them cop-op no matter how far apart your level is from your friend.
games without story that is still being played after a long time: counter strike, minecraft, terraria, factorio, osu, dont starve, oxygen not included. dota, league, street fighter and tekken have story but most players are only there for the gameplay
hey can I ask what music names you add in your video it's so good :(
Woah! As the future indie dev (still studying in 12th grade senior high school), I'll take notes these aspects and lessons from your video to counteract the future issues of my future indie sandbox mmo combine with both roguelite-moba action combat system (inspired from Paragon, Hades, and Guild Wars 2) and sandbox building elements (inspired from Minecraft and Fortnite) to became innovative to and also unique from other existing mmos
Seriously love the idea of a dynamic skill system of sorts. Don't like seeing too many people having the same template builds.
dynamic or balanced, pick one.
I don't really agree with simply handwaving dynamic class / skill / equipment builds by saying "it won't be balanced". it's not the player's fault for minmaxing a build and getting away with it; it's the game's fault. why is your game's battle system so bland that one build can outshine every other?
give bosses different traits and behaviors. give a boss extremely high evasion so characters with high accuracy can shine. give mobs elemental resistance and weaknesses, and let the otherwise useless elemental skill shred a particular content with ease. make a boss resistant to ranged attacks, or weak to environmental traps, or immune to magical damage. create enemies that mobs in high numbers, or overwhelm you with extremely high crit bursts. let enemy units hit your backlines with debuffs, let bosses dispel buffs from your beefed up tank. make a certain boss weak to knockback/interrupt attacks. give enemy units different movement speed and attack speed. give rogues invisibility and archers / mages a detection ability to counter it. the list goes on
there's so much room for creativity in designing game mechanics aside from HP and damage. create a game with proper depth to its mechanics. let players builds their characters to excel in one particular instance, or be a jack-of-all-trades. the creative decision in designing a role playing game character should always be at the hands of the players, not the system's, for the sake of "balance".
The way these videos are edited is really well presented.
Imagine getting Silkroad with new engine and updated graphics/gameplay? I always liked the idea of trades and the job system thief/trader/hunter
Archeage had it. Though you do have Albion Online if you're interested in something similar where those trades have actual influence on the game. The idea of trading is fun, unless you did it efficiently and didn't have to deal with griefers or the mountains of gankers.
Looking back over my introduction to WoW in 2004, I personally could never wrap my head around how MMOS became popular and didn't burn out. I had fun with WoW, loved the stories in the questlines, and the 5 man dungeons. But as soon as I hit end game I felt like I had been bait and switched. Now I had show up on time and schedule my time to work with 39 other people on raid night plus farm materials during the week? That's a job, not a game. And you can't find a job where you actually enjoy 39 other coworkers.
The pathetic thing about me 20 years ago is that I went back four times trying to find a way to enjoy the game. I finally absolutely quit after Suramar in Legion. Which again - LOVED the game right up until the first raid, when I had to deal with people.
Now I only play rpgs I can solo or play with IR: friends.
For me the biggest problem of most MMO's is that they are just bloated with so many features that people expect nowadays, there's like zero level of immersion. Playing Classic Wow for the first time several months ago just made me realize how much more magical it can be when it really feels like a totally different enormous world... and you only know what Elwynn Forest looks like.
Ive been playing FFXIV for the past year and compared the problems you described and how I see them in FFXIV.
It checks most of the boxes for a good design with good implementation for most of the problems a MMO can have.
Questing probably being the most abnoxious for who don't care about it since the main story quest is huge and mandatory.
Very nice video, great points.
Yeah but FFXIV is mostly an FF game with an mmo skin.
Some people simply do not like that genre like people who can see good designs on games like racing games yet still acknowledge it's not their style.
I like ff14 but you can play it like a normal JRPG ^^
Top tier editing 😂 loved all the memes and references, BIG UP ADEN( sorry if I misspelt the editors name wrong)
whats the game from the footage while you talk about pros of transmog?
A cool part concept of an MMO is starting with nothing and being nothing. Everything you do has meaning like professions can help your journey from start to finish and where the world is big, mysterious and has many cool things in it. I like when everything has weight to it. Like if i see some guy running past and he has a cool helmet or shoulders I want to know where that came from and it was not bought in a store or he just got it because he was in the game for 10 hours straight. I want the world to also feel dangerous and difficult.
While Final Fantasy 14 does have a ton of hand-in quests, they make up for its amazing Story. There is currently not a single MMO in the market that can beat FF14's Story that somehow managed to get better in the new Expansions. On another good note, you won't have to do these quests again since you can unlock all Jobs (Classes) on just one character or you can buy shortcuts in the Store on your alternate character which are completely optional.
I honestly fail to see how the story ''make up'' the mediocre and mind numbing quest design. Bad quest design is still bad quest design, simple as that. The story is another thing entirely and if anything, I feel like its the opposite. More often then not, since it's an MMO which in themselves are not a great medium for storytelling what ends up happening is that the story is heavily dragged out and filled with a lot of filler, which doesn't necessary contribute anything lot to the larger plot other then a few details which you'd forget about anyways.
@@vikkran401played it for a couple months and couldn't take it anymore.
@@vikkran401 It really depends on what you prefer. I'm not sure what kind of games you like. Final Fantasy 14 caters towards those who enjoy the story and community. Don't believe me? The recent Expansion, Endwalker sold out on Pre Orders and the developers had to halt on physical copy sales. Bad quest design for me can be found in games like Black Desert where you have to eliminate 500 mobs just to get currency and experience points. In FF14, you can run through quests, dungeons and raids with your friends to Level 90.
Those "mind numbing quests" reward players with emotes and currency for cosmetics. In Warcraft, those quests reward players with weekly gear. It's Blizzard's way of scamming their players to subscribe to get end game gear. FF14 is a chill game, its not meant to be competitive. People are nice here and unlike Lost Ark, we don't gatekeep anyone out of raids. I did a public Raid in a recent patch and we wiped 8 times without giving up.
If you like to rush through the quests and dislike the story, then the game is not for you.
@@FutaCatto2 Just because an expansion sells well in the beginning doesn't it mean its great or gonna remain great. WoW Shadowlands also broke record with the most copies sold out of any expansion in that games history but it still sucked and considered the worst one ever released
Same with Endwalker which was hyped in the beginning for obvious reasons. But after that, the expansion just went completely down hill endgame wise with the content being a let down because of the devs being lazy and not trying it seems.
I miss Shadowbringers. Aside from it having the greatest story with Emet-Selch's slouching back carrying it. It was also really good endgame wise. They were able to strike perfect balance with having the content both be fun, but also rewarding whether you were a casual player or hardcore player.
Eden was amazing, I really enjoyed Ishgard Restoration despite not being hugely into crafting, The relic grind in Bozja was probably the most fun and rewarding grind I've ever done in my gaming history. The Trial series with the Sorrow of Werlyt had interesting fights and like Bozja, also had its own really good storyline.
Endwalker didn't have any of that. Instead we got shit like Islands which just felt like garrisons 2.0 then we got Critorians Dungeons, which where fine itself, if there was more incentive to do them by better rewards other then some minor cosmetic. And then with this expansions relic weapon, I don't even know where to start...
I unsubbed shortly after that and quitted the game as I was tired of dealing with the terrible patch cycle and dissapointing, unfulfilling content which failed to keep one enganged for more then two weeks at most. Ofc I don't expect the patch to keep me playing constantly but it's reasonable for a patch to at least be relevant 2/3 or even just half of it's life cycle, especially since its a sub MMO after all
@@vikkran401 If an Expansion sells more than the developer's expectations, shows how loyal the fanbase is towards the game. Very few games including Warcraft has had such a level in Sales. Dragonflight barely exceeded Blizzard's sale numbers and the Expansion went on a discount in just a few months. I'm not sure why you're comparing Shadowlands when the recently Warcraft Expansion was Dragonflight.
Endwalker did not go downhill. You have no proof to back on your opinion. Endwalker just like any other Expansion before has a great story that only expands throughout the year. We recently have new Dungeons and Raids. And unlike Warcraft, Final Fantasy 14 gets new content until the next Expansion.
I don't understand why you would hate on FF14 if you liked Shadowbringers. The combat and story only improved in Endwalker. Without Endwalker, we wouldn't continue the story of the Warrior of Light which just like the Expansions, improves on his or her power. Old Sharlayan has the most calming soundtrack in the game in my opinion. It's a good place to park my character while waiting for Raid queues or just chatting with a friend.
Final Fantasy 14 is a casual game and being a "hardcore player" makes me assume the game wouldn't be to your liking. Even so, PvP has been improved from what I heard. Raids still reward players with cosmetics that you can use to show off and there are actually shoulder cosmetics that glow if you're into that sort of thing.
Maybe you've played too many PvP or Competitive games and are unable to vibe with the community. But you should know Endwalker is a good Expansion and its highly rated by its players across Steam and the Playstation Store. Even critiques like Josh Strife Hayes and MMOBytes have praised the Expansion. IGN gave the Expansion a 9, even YongYea praised the sales. So again, I don't see how Endwalker does not live up to your expectations when its no doubt one of the best Expansions for many. Perhaps you're better off playing Lost Ark since you like Competitive? We don't tolerate such things in Final Fantasy 14. We're just people who have fun playing good games.
I'm not sure what you mean by "relevant" because Final Fantasy 14 is the 2nd highest played MMO currently. And we have tons of patches with new Dungeons and Raids. And to make the game more "relevant", a new Expansion Dawntrail is releasing upcoming 2024.
I hate to be playing for a few hours without needing help from strangers.
MMOs once used to bring strangers together instead of driving them away. Now every user walking nearby is either Competition, a Threat, or a Ghost.
It's a virtual world full of people:
Why not promote more meaningful interactions between them? Anything other than raid queues, PvP queues, or joining random guilds just for profit.
MMOs today are too easy and input-heavy, so there's no reason for users to join up with random players nearby, much less to say "hello" or stop grinding to reply to a simple greeting.
Transmog is "easy to fix":
- Only allow the use of transmog in town
or
- It's an option, where you can turn on / off
As a dev, I can say it's not that hard to implement.
I hope you do know that you can right click salvage kit in GW2, salvage all your loot by rarity and then send materials to bank with another button. It takes like 5 seconds.
Why is the salvagable item exist in the first place and not instantly material?
I think this just ties into his point like in like in Lost Ark where you can potentially get very good items from chaos dungeon runs, but you still have to sort out what is good and what is bad before you can salvage everything else. Thus, it's not a 5 second solution anymore.
@@ralph7704 Because of Mystic Forge.
Very good video, i mostly agree what you say in this video and it is like you are talking mostly exactly what kind of MMORPG MortalisGame will be in future. It is nice to know that there are so many things what players truly want, but sadly no big gaming studio will ever provide. That's why the future belongs to Indie gaming studios what will provide good gameplay and years of interesting and challenging gameplay options. Rock on man!
Can someone say what's the music in the background at 2:10 ?
can confirm i quit bdo before reaching level 2 cause my inventory was already loaded with paragraph long description consumables or some crap that only made it more confusing if I read it.
Yes I said before I could even reach level 2, that's how much they cram your bags with random stuff
Love you used the starlight isle song at the end
You put LINEAGE 2 DION THEME as a background and I just wanna say I incredibly appreciate that. I have never heard a better soundtrack in any game since.
I agree on most issues but some does not really matter to be honest.
Black Desert Online
AFK time - From my recent min-maxing profit experiment for AFK time from opening my PC 24/7 I get less silver than killing monsters for 30 mins - 1 hour.
So my new strategy for the future gameplay is just grind for 1 hour (or 2 if i feel fit) then be done for the day unless i am working on my PC then i can turn on AFK mode and minimize the game to get some stuffs done (mostly for crafting materials for unique items not for profit)
Costume for Silver - Everyone in the game will be happy if someone does it.
Useless Items - This is a nightmare for new players (I have to manage and optimize my inventory so much until I dont see this as a problem anymore)
Alt Characters - While it is good these days for options to switch to other classes but still u will be limited by bag slots and max weight of that specific character.
Questing - ...... One of the most annoying thing in BDO, but hey at least they are trying to fix it even it may took ages.
Multiple Gear Sets - BDO only has 4 sets [AP ACC EVA DR] where 3 of them are really endgame
Catch up to old player - watch Streamer "Choice"
General UI - Keep playing and u will memorize every single one by default. no kidding most of them are very informative
Combat UI - it is very customizable .mine is very clean and minimal
Costumes - I think old design team is gone and the new one is doing a very good job at it.
I hate that they all have cash shops now. Back in the day you paid a monthly fee then anything and everything you earned in game, when you saw someone with an amazing mount or armor you know they earned it, when you saw a max level character you respected them knowing the work they put into that character. Now you can just buy levels, armor, mounts and more from a cash shop
Honestly the ability to know the quality of an opponent's gear from how it looks is something I don't like in the first place. I like transmog.
It creates a knowledge gap, and you lose all the risk inherent to PvP. You fight people weaker and don't fight people as good or stronger.
If a game had to have the ability to determine gear quality before an ambush, I'd do three things:
- I'd put inspection behind a job, with maybe consumables to one-time increase the inspection ability.
- I'd make the inspection window have different levels of details (per-item). A successful inspection could lead you to get all the details, while one that barely passes would lead to approximations. A failed inspection on an item would lead to just question marks everywhere.
- I'd give players the ability to better "disguise" their gear with another job. A better disguised gear would fare better against inspections.
Not only does it recreate the premeditation based on gear, but it also extends gameplay for both parties in a new direction.
one mmo i used to play, elsword, went so insane with materials that you needed over half the entire material inventory of a single, not bank sharable, resource, to build a single piece of equipment of the newest set. at that point i quit, since even with the most efficient farming it took over a month per piece. just insane.
That UO music kicking in at 3:53 got me feeling like I'm back in 1996
Yup, your point about being able to translate any amount of in-game currency into real money is spot on. It really pulls me out of any experience, and it's what has been keeping me away from mmos recently. Also, I think there's another type of burnout in mmos, or at least one that affects a lot, and it's organized raiding (or other group activities). Having to follow a strict schedules makes the game feel like a job after a little while, and I end up quitting. Maybe it is because of other players' poor performance and the group getting stuck in a certain boss for weeks on end, but it's just a pattern I've noticed in the last couple of years.
That L2 soundtrack is sooo fkin good & nostalgic
I like this video, how about ranking the most popular mmos that you've covered in these different 'hate' categories, then put them together maybe in a tier list to see which game comes where? thanks
What is the piano piece at the end part of the video??
Did he just hit us with an Ultima song at 4:00 ? lol
Someone could tell me music Playing in 17:13 to 18:59? pls
Age of Conan had the best and simplest transmog system. One set of gear for stats, one for looks. You still had to earn the gear in game before you could equip it just for the skin.
Man, I remember how hype I was with that game for the first 20 levels, and how everything went to shit after you left the first starting town.
Such wasted potential.
Sub to play and pay to win are 2 of my most hated things about mmo’s. Especially when it’s sub to play and you still have to buy expansions. I typically play games in bursts so a few days or a week here and there and being able to jump right back into a game whenever without having to throw more money at it to play at all makes me feel like I actually own the game to some degree.
And then pay to win is pay to win, don’t think I really need to explain why that sucks.
I played Blue Protocol for 6 days before getting banned and it was pretty fun. And you can't even trade with other players in that game, which is ridiculous. If developers actually want to make good MMOs that are fun to play, they definitely can - if they want to, that is.
New World bank management is the one picking my nerves right now. The amount of time I spend switching between city tabs looking for my green wood. It's nicer since they allow you to access all of the cities tab from anywhere but honestly at this point make one section for Items/Gear and one section for material that can be accessible automatically from the crafting stations. (I'm not max level yet or have a house so idk if it's better later on).
The alt friendliness thing is number 1 for me. I don't want to run through the story more than once, I don't want to collect Alters of Lilith more than once, etc. I love that FFXIV allows you to do ANY job on one toon so all your currency, quest progress, collectibles, materials, EVERYTHING is on one character. It's a massive plus for me. Other MMOs are getting there with systems that help with this, but not quite. All your other points are right on. I'm with you about transmog, in that I'm in the middle about it. I don't like looking like a schmuck while I'm just getting leveled and finding new gear every other drop, but I like the idea that you can look at a person and know they're badass. On the other hand, devs would have to account for this in another way so that the gear sets were actually what was best for each class, or make the stats craftable onto those items or something so that if the community deems like "Hey only 3 of the Valor set pieces are best for warrior this patch" then there's a way to make those other pieces work. Which I think would be a way to make crafting more interesting.
what's the game at 02:23?
I agree with everything you said and personally I would also add every time there's a quest that forces me to do shit that takes me away from my character. Anything that takes the controls off my character over to something else makes me annoyed.
i love your videos, also hope the overseas living is going well. i like the videos and your editing is great but maaaaybe tune down the meme references just a bit? maybe its just me, but im an old head so i enjoy seeing slightly more gameplay and stuff. i do like the occasional meme clip and stuff that slightly relates to the narrating, just not every ten seconds. anyways, wishing ya the best!
also, for what its worth, i think the info youre putting out there is great. new mmo devs need to see this stuff and implement much of what you are stating.
I like when I pick up a set of armor, I mean a piece and I put it on and it changes the way my character looks good or bad I like the fact that you can see what you’re wearing and that every piece changes your look
im curious what is your opinion on state of the game dragon nest sea server or even on NA servers
02:00 Ahh man.. why do you have to hit me like that... Hunters Village, Lineage 2 soundtrack, chills ran down my spine. I miss this game so much, so many great memories.... the best game I have EVER played in my life
When the cash shop functions better then the actual game.
For me there needs to be more good mini games. Tower climbing ect. Good races, good fishing that requiers skill.
The best currency system i have ever seen is from PoE. All currency has a value because the currency can do something and using it removes it from the economy. This effectively means that it will never be worthless and has a built in "gold sink".