There are solutions. push to bring back and make standard the following: - P2P - Just play with friends and people you trust - no anti-cheats required. - LAN - Pc gamers use to do LAN parties - Split-screen - - Adhoc - Nintendo Switch and other handheld gaming devices would excel with this kind of multiplayer feature - offline bots - Especially with self-learning AI in modern times can boost and supplement multiplayer sessions and Internet is not even required. You will notice none of these need or require corporate services and servers and thus cannot be monetized. Corporate greed has ruined multiplayer and gaming in general, in order to turn gamers in hamsters on a wheel generating revenue for shareholders. It doesn't have to be this way if one pushes and supports open source standards and things games used to have before they were systematically stripped away.
Halo has the only good season pass system because you can always go back to old seasons. When the new season comes, you can always go back to the old one
@@tokofukawap4055you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what communism is. a fully realized communist society would not have money. its in the definition.
“They all want to be e-sports players” perfectly sums up why most are toxic af in game chat, they think that they are right 100% of the time and will try to flame you for trying a different tactic or not doing exactly what they told you to.
@@literallylawThere is nothing wrong in using the Most Effective Tactic Available if you don't tell someone else how they should play. Dictating others is wrong, not the META per se. And i would never play a moder multiplayer game like Overwatch because i don't want to be forced to play as a team.
My absolute last game of MP was an OW1 game on Dorado. Everyone chose a DPS hero, once more leaving me to decide whether the team has a health pool or healing. Everyone split up to try fighting the entire enemy team by themselves, which made playing Mercy impossible. Enemy team moved the payload effortlessly until the 2nd point. I switched to Zenyatta, which finally got the payload to stop. My team showed their appreciation by dusting off their mics and telling me that I'm a POS and need to play Mercy because she's META, and I'm throwing by playing Zen. I'm sure all of those guys went pro, like they wanted.
About the whole "more sweats in games now", I think that it's cause a lot of people are getting information about their multiplayer games from TH-camrs and Twitch streamers who try to make the strongest loadouts or builds, basically making a meta that if anyone deviates from, they're immediately singled out and shit on.
I absolutely believe streaming and TH-cam culture has increased the impact and overbearing nature of metas as a whole. Almost every person you find whining about the meta in any competitive game will usually be parroting something they heard some streamer they watched say.
I experienced this in Mass Effect 3's multiplayer of all fucking things. People latched onto the CoD gun, called the Cerberus Harrier, which _on paper only,_ had the best damage, almost the best range, but it had dogshit ammo in the reserve, required almost a full mag to kill a super elite + all your cooldowns, and basically required you to have the location of every ammo box totally memorized or you were fucked. Meanwhile, I would run around with what was usually a non-meta weapon, on a build centered around damage over time, or extending my clip sizes, and I would come up with the most insane builds that nobody would understand because _they did not understand the game,_ they only saw the spreadsheet numbers and then control+F'ed to find the highest damage value, then used the only classes that benefited that playstyle. It didn't even have a competitive mode. I'd love to pull out unusual classes with what would appear to be suboptimal builds in order to have fun, but I'd always be making kills that saved people rather than just farming every enemy in the spawn, yet I'd be able to compete with or outperform the tryhards without much issue most of the time. And it was still toxic.
Games are also a lot more complicated and filled with different “layouts”. Back then, like arena shooters and such, everyone had the same weapons. All the skills were in the mouvement and aim. You couldn’t be “overpowered” unless you had good map control and did take the “overpowered” gun. But it was still fun to play with / against.
This is why single player and indie games are getting the respect it deserves. Even modders in every gaming community made every game better to downright hilarious moments I’ve ever seen.
They were always superior, but yeah, now with people being disgusted by the current state of multiplayer, they're giving more of those types of games a chance.
All characters being equally playable and well-performed (plus award those who carey the game no matter how good your teammate is) is what roster balance should be
I've been saying this for the past 3-4 years. I'm glad more people are voicing their opinion on this aswell. It's one of the main reasons I started making my FPS game. I want to bring back casual gaming, and having genuine fun with friends.
@@literallylaw Unfortunately I don't think that's going away no matter how casual the game is made to seem. At this point it's just second nature for some people to sweat every single game like it's the next big esport even if that's not the case, just because it's how they enjoy games.
@@capnc4ke By diverting today's gamers to see gaming as a fun hobby and an escape from reality again instead of a second job or career, would cut the need for people to "got gud" at such an extended level. Think of the mindset of people in the anime Sword art online and GunGale. When real life currency is a factor and or reward, the games no longer become fun or a hobby.
This is why I play single player games. No stress, no sweats, I can take my time with it. Downside I don't really talk to friends much anymore. Got into achievement hunting too much. It's sad that so many multiplayer games have gone this route.
Really sad. Same thing for me, I've got a lot of friends that live too far away to see in person more than a few times a year, so these games are the main way to stay in touch.
@@literallylaw yea, I hear you most of my friends live far away but don't really stay in touch for the most part. I can't bear online for the most part so the friends that do game are playing something I don't want to play lol
@@Obsession3745i know right. My friends will all be playing rainbow six siege and im just like “no thanks bro”. I’d rather just play something like nightmare reaper or elden ring while i wait for them to play something fun like deep rock or l4d2
@ImNotFine44 with age I have just become more and more recluse. I don't even want to play online for most games cause then I know I have to complete it, and most multiplayer games have awful achievements
Ive grown to prefer coop pve multiplayer games as of late, like Monster Hunter for example. Much more enjoyable than games where I have to fight sweats. It's too bad that games like Monster Hunter are so few and far between.
May I suggest Deep Rock Galactic? one of the most wholesome communities I've ever seen. It's probably the only co op game that I'll join some random player's lobby and give a lending hand.
The thing that devs have been doing that's made this worse is trying to force E-sport scenes into existence. Good games, like fighting games which have grown their scenes organically over literally decades, show you what it should actually look like. But all these modern shooter devs design the game around an E-sports scene without even fucking knowing if there will be one. Thus making every single game flop on arrival.
I love CS esports, but most of these games trying so hard to emulate the success of CS is just cringe and so obviously not going to work that it's almost funny. These studios and publishers with a history of abandoning their games after a few years really expect people to dedicate the time it takes to become literally the best in the world at that game when there's such a high chance that the game becomes abandoned? CS has grown organically over more than 20 years to get to where it is now and in some ways it's because of Valve's lack of action that has allowed it to mature, only tweaking around the edges instead of fundamentally changing the game every 6 months like Overwatch kept doing. Not to mention the simple design of CS that makes it such a good game to watch is in stark contrast to the overly detailed worlds and realism that most of these games try to achieve. CS2 looks beautiful but for the most part is still clean and environments are easy on the eye.
That's because those competitive devs never made their players actually engage with their game. Or give it variety for casual players which gives incentive to later try to be competitive if they want to. No, just competitive.@@literallylaw
Funny no one thinks of guild wars 2. Another game that suffered because of the devs focus on esports despite it being an mmorpg. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why the last boss in the base game was so disappointing. Tbf guild wars 1 was a pvp focused game.
In regards to the lack of community, I fear skill based match making is going to make it worse. Every match now ends with a whole new lobby being created. I met so many people on old COD because we'd be able to see what each other was doing over many matches. It made losing not so bad since you're all learning from each other in a long lasting lobby. I can't help but feel sad at that. Communities and connections are made before playing, not while playing anymore.
Wow, I hadn't even clocked that until you just said it! But absolutely, after every post match of Halo younger me would sit in the lobby and just talk with the people there. That's completely gone now, games try as fast as possible to immediately throw you with the people their algorithm thinks are now the better skill match.
@@literallylaw That’s one thing that I feel some games do a lot better with despite not having a post-match communication section, because of how long the matches last, such as War Thunder, or because they have a way to message each other after the match, like OW2, but OW2 missing the end cards and making it much more difficult to group up at the end of a match sucks.
I love SBMM but you are correct. The same thing has happened with fighting games and MMOs. Arcades were vibrant communities that died when online matchmaking happened. MMOs became boring when you could just get matched with a squad for a raid and you didn't need a coordinated group to beat the raid. We have to realize that things change. We need to be okay making and/or engaging communities outside of games. Either that or we have to get a lot friendlier inside them.
@@Notfakeultra Nah uh, in multiplayer games u gotta earn the fun whether thats building mechanics / gamesense etc. Its not just handed to you, so thats why it feels like work to people. To me thats what makes it satisfying Singleplayer gamers expect just to plop on the couch and expect fun right away 100% of the time
When people tried getting better at games in the olden days, it was just improving accuracy and learning the map. Nowadays people breakdown every game to find bugs that can be abused for an advantage instead. I still believe streaming has ruined the gaming community. Everyone used to focus on fun, but now everyone is trying to become a millionaire any means possible.
Don't mention the 'olden days' unless you remember that it all went to hell once they began adding a player ranking screen at the end. Before that it was as close to utopia as possible.
@@tpeterson9140 yeah, but that wasn't the norm. Now, it seems having a degree in every tidbit of possible advantage taking point in the game is mandatory
The toxicity of the communities killed it for me. Not going back to that. It's not good for anyone to experience this for long periods of time. Damaging to the conscious.
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Maybe I’m just getting older, but I don’t want to keep up with all of this shit anymore. I just wanna kick back and have fun with my boys online without having to deal with all the sweaty toxic pieces of shit that pervade literally EVERY multiplayer lobby ever.
I keep hearing this, but man I'm only 24 and even I feel the exact same. I don't think it's an age issue, just shit is getting less fun the more greed takes over. You're not allowed to just want to enjoy your time playing games. You better be grinding some dumb pass and sweating for some stupid mandatory challenge telling you to use a specific gun. Cause the devs and publishers demand your soul.
I think the loss of the social scene is the real elephant in the room. You can talk about the mechanics and monetization practices all you want, but the real reason why I stopped having an interest in online multiplayer is simply because it wasn't fun for me anymore when the socialization aspect left. It's all because of the competitive gaming scene really, everyone trying to be some e-sports player and taking every match super seriously, which turns every game into a sweaty experience. I got into online gaming back when everyone had a mic and had wanted to just chat with random people as they played a game. Being the best was never the goal, it was simply having a good time, and the more social people were the more relaxed they usually were at playing the game. Now it's just all about trying to show off and "be the best" in every match, and that's just not fun for me, or engaging.
Yeah. It used to be you could make random friends from matches in these games. Nowadays you're lucky if you're not getting told to kys by your entire team for playing off meta.
For me the reason was party chat. Halo 2 online I made a ton of friends and was constantly meeting people. Then Halo 3 you still met a lot of people through custom games but that really changed from friends of friends because everyone is in party chat. Halo infinite I was shocked that they turned off mic by default and never told you. It was only when I commented that no one talks that I was told to go into the settings to ENABLE chat. Even then no one talks, it's like playing with bots and is super boring
It's weird to see league now, I used to love playing it and doing crazy builds. That's not really a thing anymore, most champions are forced to build a certain way and everyone hates it if you go off meta
omfg what games did you play? saying cs 1.6, diablo, starcraft, warcraft mods, street fighter weren't toxic, full of griefing, insulting and taunting (in various languages mind you) is simply lying and romanticising a nostalgic period in your life. tetris and pong were competitive, pvp isn't the problem, its gamers buying unfair advantages and thus allowing devs to ruin games for profit
It’s not just gaming. Greed has stripped culture from humanity. We are legit living in a post-cultural age dominated by algorithms armed with mass surveillance, set on being the most efficient moneymakers possible.
See now someone in these comments is finally speaking my fucking langauge. I agree. Culture is dead, capitalism strangled it in the crib. Personally I think without violent revolution nothing is ever going to get better. All down from here.
@@literallylawGenuinely curious. What do you mean by capitalism? To me at least, it seems like it is the "post-modern, post-Industrialized, high technology" version of capitalism that people blame for the current state. So is it not the advancement of technology outstripping the evolutionary growth of humans as a species that has led us to this? That we're operating in a world that we aren't biologically adapted to handle? Not just simply "if I make something and you want it, you pay me"?
No the problem are the gamers. What a company is abt? making money. For everything. Who gives money? the consumers. Now think abt every cheap p2w or just cheat-overall game like Starfield. Why they succeded? Better yet... WHO gives them money? Now think about it. "Nowdays gaming sucks! they just make traps to get our money!" My brother in christ, YOU'RE the one giving them money. You're the one showing them it works. Want change? then stop buying mediocrisy. How you fall for the same trap and prove it works then blame on everybody but yourself?
@@wander7812 Exactly, and I say more: The power is within the masses, there are many examples of COUNTRIES that were changed because people got togheter for a better cause, i'm talking about actual lifes here, not only games, but these days all I see is complaint but no action, people are either too lazy, dumb or passive to make a minimal change for the better. One example is FIFA ( recently changed to EAFC ), EA Sports is very known amongst the gaming community for their micro-transaction hell inside their games and very manipulative mechanics so then you live through their micro-transaction based games, people ALWAYS complain that their games are the same as the year before and that it is extremely inducing for kids to spend money in the game but why would they change? they are breaking profit records year after year. The masses hold the power but don't use it, they hold 99,9% of the worlds power but still dont control shit. Worst thing is that companies don't even have to worry about anything happening, people don't even try to make a change, and even if they do, all the companies need to do is give some AI generated apology and a few crumbs of what they wanted ( and there are some who are so used to be treated like trash that when companies give them their crumbs they feel like they are god and proced to defend any minimal change ). We can turn the world upside-down, but many are too occupied complaining with no action or afraid to get out their comfort zone and make some actual change in real life instead of their favorite rpg game.
Recently, I’ve felt that other gamers are effectively bots. No mics, no group cohesion, 50% chance of afk/leave. And the ones that do mic up, shouldn’t.
Precisely, you don't even get the social part out of multiplayer anymore. It feels like playing alone while somehow surrounded by "people". I miss early Xbox live days. I made so many friends, and all were random people from matches or post game lobbies.
If I want to chill and play a game, why would I open my mic to just have useless conversation with people who are not my friends and wgo I dont even know. Nope, relaxing is to just play and think nothing
I also think the gaming community itself has aged up on average. I mean there is probably more kids playing games now than 10 years ago, but a higher percent of the active audience are adults. I believe this creates the generally more toxic culture in in-game lobbies. I don’t mean the mindless bs’ing of each other. I mean when people make shit personal, start to persist the issue outside of in-game, and in general just like rubbing their ego’s out on other humans.
You might be right. Most people who seem utterly unhinged these days are grown ass adults who somehow act worse than children ever did when I was a child.
Look st GTA V, full of egomaniacs who spend their doll money on shitty booters to kick you offline because you hurt their feelings by killing them more than you killed them.
You're not the only one feeling this way...doing all of these battle passes and all while working a full time job can be mentally exhausting, I recently started to feel that way about CoD/DMZ. Great video!
Is started grinding DMZ but stopped after the first reset. It were the same old boring quests all over again. Who tf enjoys exfilling 50 toothpastes? And without the quests - DMZ is boring af. And after a few weeks DMZ is just sweaty Warzone. Everyone rushing the spawns. It had great potential. But it lost me a while ago.
This video explains literally all my frustrations with multiplayer gaming now! I want to believe that things will be salvaged and get better, but honestly I know that’s just a pipe dream. RIP 🪦 multiplayer shooters, you’re dearly missed! 😢
Even offline - sitting right next to you multiplayer is utter crap. Getting clowned on because of them both other opponents working together, always making me be the first to lose, then they say something along the lines of: "that's just by accident", or , " that's just how it is" or simply telling me to get gud when I'm not even allowed to improve cause they both team my @$$, leaving me to feel frustrated afterwards. And that's smash ultimate in a nutshell
I remember when voice chat felt like a novelty, it was crazy to be able to talk to people in any multiplayer game but now it's irrelevant to most people. The advent of party chat was awesome, but I realized how people and myself included, eventually just formed small social groups and never went to public chat again. Being in public chat made you interact with people, even if you didn't really want to sometimes.
I always bring this same topic up when I talk about “Xbox live back in the day.” I remember back in Gears 1 where all the dead players were in their own chat lobby. You literally could have up to the rest of the round to talk to the other team. You couldn’t escape it because party chat wasn’t implemented yet. So much shit talking during that time in ranked and if someone was popping off in casuals you’d be talking about the crazy shit going down with the other team.
The TH-cam recommendation gods have played their role, and honestly I am baffled that this is the first video on your channel, or it seems like it at least. You managed to exactly quantify why I am struggling with multiplayer games these days, especially shooters. Please keep making videos, Id love to see more content, also your voice is very soothing nearly fell asleep and I mean it in a good way.
I'm glad you stumbled upon my humble beginnings, make no mistake I plan to make many more videos to come. I feel like a lot of people I know share this feeling nowadays, this area of gaming has just completely lost its charm. Also, good to hear someone likes my voice, when you spend hours upon hours editing and hearing yourself over and over again, you do not feel that way about yourself. 😆
@@daegnaxqelil2733 I hate TH-camrs who shitpost negative content. This was a very well thought out opinion, with good arguments and wasn't overall negative. Just a thought on why they don't enjoy a certain type of game anymore. He didn't say all games are trash, furthermore even examples of good new games were provided.
@@ExplodingImplosion I don't know man, makes me a ton less miserable than conventional social media ever has. That alone should be enough to differentiate it 😜
yeah it's the same for me, been playing league of legends for a long time, about 10 years but finally dropped it when the last fun gamemode (aram) got infested with dumbasses, or like.... more than normally hey also what song is this? at about 25:00
I was in middle school when MW2 came out. Me and my friends had recently gotten Xbox 360’s with Xbox Live, and it just generally sparked a “craving” in us to play things online together. It didn’t matter what it was. Online multiplayer was just a whole new world. We would go back to old COD games for the novelty, or we’d play GTA4 online and just drive around running people over. I’ve noticed those same friends don’t have the same taste for that novelty anymore; in the same way they liked to play sports in middle school, they now want to play the latest competitive game to “prove something.” Playing anything that isn’t part of the current competitive landscape feels like a waste of time to them, since there’s no personal clout to be gained from having fun in an old game. It’s sad.
Clout is the worst thing to happen to games. Literally nothing more meaningless in the world than clout you get being good at games. All I ever say to those people is "touch grass".
Honestly you hit the nail right on the head when it comes to battle passes. I hate them because I don't have time to get on and grind. I have to balance work, social life, and other responsibilities. Not only that but when I play games in general nowadays I just feel like I could be doing other things at that moment. They say time you enjoy wasting isnt time wasted. But if I'm not enjoying my time playing video games, then I'm wasting my time.
100%. These systems are designed for no lifers and whales. The common person is factored in as, well if they care enough they'll become a whale and pay to skip the season pass and buy everything outright.
@@literallylaw Exactly dude, Fomo is powerful. Either you sit there all day and grind for the new "content" or you just throw more money at these companies.
Can I ask why game developers have gone and destroyed post game lobbies or lobbies in general? Some of my best memories in multiplayer games were the friendly or shit show conversations that happened in post game lobbies. I've moved more into playing single player games than multiplayer. I do enjoy playing with my friends but the huge changes in multiplayer games have just changed my taste in games. Though there are still a few Co-op games I love playing with them like Payday 2, L4D2, the zombie Sniper Elite games, and some others.
It is a massive shame isn't it? Without Halo 3 post match lobbies I likely wouldn't have made some of my best online friends. It feels like just another part of this forced movement from publishers and devs away from social party games and towards the matchmade skill based formula. They NEED to break up lobbies because the system post every match decides that everyone in that team usually is of a different skill level and should no longer play together.
Overwatch 1 was the last bastion of a different time in multiplayer gaming. OW2 just isn’t the same and after 1000 hours I’m on the verge of quitting it too. Can’t tolerate more than 2 matches before logging off.
Tbh in 2020 during the pandemic i used to watch a lot of videos talking about the meta and trying to rank up by any means necessery but when i actually ranked up i started caring less about the meta and trying other heroes that some could call useless and hating what i used to be in a matter of 1 year In your video i could easily relate to a lot of points he was using ow as an example
from about 2010-2021, about 85% of all of my gaming sessions were some sort of multiplayer FPS game with my friends, and towards those latter years i genuinely hated being online and always questioned why i was even playing video games. towards the end of 2021, i got a PS5 with Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and got the platinum trophy on it eventually one random day last year and that platinum popup made me go “maybe i should get more of these”. so now as of writing this, i have 41 platinum trophies with 40 of them being earned this year and i plan on getting plenty more
Literally how i started out in 2011 always played multiplayer games with friends and now in 2020 for me I definitely moved away from caring about multiplayer games.
Damn I just played this video in the background and it ended up being a really enjoyable watch. It felt real like someone out there just voicing all these emotions I’ve felt about these games but couldn’t find the words for. Good work man keep it up 👏
Man, this hit me hard. I have been a sucker for destiny 2 for a long time. Almost 500 dollars later and I have nothing to show for it. I stopped when the witch queen dlc released. I then recently picked up the dark souls series and man it changed my whole outlook on gaming. I now play games like terraria with a friend, binding of Isaac, and more Indies. This video is amazing dawg, your voice and the attitude really made this watch special one of a kind. This channel will 100% blow up.
Bro, 100 feel you with Destiny. I wish I hadn't wasted so much time and cash on it in hindsight. I've always loved single-player, but with the state of pvp games lately I find myself going hard-core back to only really playing them. Binding of Isaac is also one of my fav indies, I even used an ost from it in the vid :)
I also got stuck in a never ending 5-minute rinse and repeat online competitive hell hole. Decided to give Elden Ring a try and it was so refreshing. A game with story, at your own pace, optional co-op/pvp, and had an actual ending that left me feeling fulfilled. 5-minute matches may seem short, but they’re designed to trap you in the game. I thought 5-minute matches were perfect for a busy schedule, but i was fooling myself
this video is exactly how I feel about multiplayer games. I'm tired of forced teamwork and esports mentality for every game, not everyone has a team of friends dedicated to the game as you are, and sometimes you yourself aren't that invested. When every game makes you feel that you have to do your best or you won't enjoy it, it gets tiring and makes you not want to play anymore. It's also sad that almost every game company only focuses on how to make more money, instead of how to make a fun engaging game. This is why I think singleplayer games feel better, and not just a different form of a game.
I’ve never agreed more with a video than this one. Multiplayer games used to occupy every moment of my gaming time. But over the last 3 years I’ve gone back to playing mostly single player games and only occasionally playing multiplayer. Gotta say, you nailed it on the head with this one. Easiest sub of my life! Can’t wait to see your co-op video!
Thanks so much! The co-op video will materialise don't you worry, but today I'm going to be uploading something of a passion project that I've been working on for quite a bit. So look forward to that! :)
Being a gamer and only playing multiplayer is like robbing yourself. Isn't it so much better? I am the same way. Used to play apex all day every day for a year straight until I played the entire Uncharted Series, the entire Metro series, the entire Shadow Warrior series, the entire God of War series, Prey, Dead Space Remake, and Need for speed Unbound in just 2 years.
Update: DRG loot pool was kinda getting bloated from all the added loot, so now there going to add a system to let you regrind previous performance passes I frincking love it, especially since i'm still grinding upgrades so i don't have any resources to spare on cosmetics. I have nothing but good wishes for ghost ship games
Fr I used to play with my friends all the time and now they're barely online and when they're all online we barely have fun because all these little rats ruin the fun
I'm no psychology expert or anything, but I think there are multiple reasons for people being more toxic, for one, I think older generations raised us to well behave and be nice to people, one glance at what the youth nowadays are and you would know what I mean, for example, if you behave quite well and get good grades, your parents will reward you with that one game you always wanted, nowadays most people buy multiple games to not deal with their kids, another thing if you behave badly or swear or anything you would actually be punished and not be able to play for a while, which sucked so you would try to avoid it, also you would have a limited time to play per day or even per week, because your parents cared about you and your wellbeing. You could argue also that the stress we get from work is usually translated to anger in video games, you really don't want to see a cheater or a troll after your 9 hour job. One last reason because I feel this is important, you have to keep up with gaming or your knowledge will become obsolete, and here is the real reason, people aren't welcoming and forgiving as before, you are crap at this new video game you just played? "you are literally dogwater" instead of the things I used to hear like "oh you will get better with time" or I even used to hear stuff like "you are good for someone who just joined the game" even though I was utter trash. Side note: streamers cursing and shouting and promoting, intentionally or not, toxic behaviour do contribute to this as well, take old tyler1 for example.
I think it’s just that gaming has become more mainstream and a lot of people are bad, punishment still exists for kids, most of the time kids aren’t the ones trash talking. Of course there’s those few kids who suck, but that’s not the majority of trash talkers
Last night I played some overwatch to try to relax just to be told to kill myself 4 times in the first 20 minutes. Just makes me feel like ive outgrown multiplayer games.
@@mileskile9520kids will become trash takers too eventually when they constantly hear grown ass men trash talking to them and to each others In multiplaying games. Kids start to think this is normal adult's behavior. I really wish parents would not just put headphones on child's ears to avoid disturbing themselves with gaming noises but would actually stop to listen whats been communicated In online games or in internet over all. Im pretty sure most parents would be shocked and not let the kids join those game session anymore. Especially young girls has to listen some un imaginable humiliation and trash talk In online gaming communities always. As an adult female gamer I stopped using voice chat long ago even if I could not really care about some small soul's trash talk, I take nothing personally and only feel sorry for them But when Im gaming I want to enjoy my time not listen some idiots who has failed In their personal lives and are now putting their frustration and toxicism on others.
I can’t begin to say how much you hit the nail right on the head with this video. I miss the old days and I’m finding it hard to teach my son that games should be fun and meta/winning, etc isn’t all that matters, but in todays world and the popular streamers, TH-camrs and esports culture are pushing kids towards these negative outlooks on gaming. I remember being a kid and having a counter strike clan and all kinds of online friends, events and just generally a much different environment than todays toxic discord and other lobbies. Then you’ll sometimes get an even worse solution as the devs try to fix the issue and end up with no voice chat, etc or an extremely controlled and limited social environment… I also noticed the days of couch co-op are dead. It’s so frustrating trying to find games my son and I can sit on the couch and play together. The closet you can seem to get is buying 2 entire setups with copies of each ga,e and any dlc they might have, etc and for many peoples that’s just not an option.
The couch co-op thing hits so hard. I loved playing stuff whenever my friends would come over and we'd drink, chill out on the couch and just go through the Halo campaigns or anything with split screen. And now there's literally nothing for us to play except sports games or fighting games.
Couldn't agree more with literally everything you said. It all ended for me with the release of overwatch 2, when they announced it was going f2p I was like "please no... not again". I launched the game, and there it was, once again, fucking season pass, fucking rotating shop, fucking paying for everything. I played for a few good hours still with friends, but after a while, after a while of playing the game and not getting anything out of it, like I used to in OW 1, I was like "i'm done, i'm tired, I don't want this anymore" and unninstaled the game for good, and I don't plan on playing it ever again, overwatch used to be one of my favourite games and I have some of my best memories with it, but it died, I accept that, I don't want to play this scuffed version of overwatch, it's dead to me, so i'll move on. I now refuse to play any online f2p game, cause I know what im getting into, in every single fucking one. So I went back to playing roguelikes and singleplayer, but then... then I found it, I found Deep Rock Galactic, the one game that says "modern gaming can still be enjoyable" as long as developers do one simple thing, ACTUALLY CARING, and not being complete greedy bastards. Yes man I get it you've gotta make your money, but this is too much for me i'm sorry. Deep Rock is the absolute saint of gaming right now and deserves all the attention it's getting. Anyways, I look forward to future videos from you, +1 sub.
A beautifully written rage filled sentiment I can completely get behind by someone who's user is "Honkers". See, getting to see people express themselves LIKE THIS on the subject is the whole reason I made this channel. Hope my future videos manage to entertain to the same degree and hope to see you out there mining some of that rock and stone fellow miner ;]
I'm starting to give up on overwatch 2, I genuinely think I'm going to delete it within the week because it's obvious that the developers are incompetent and greedy. I'm sick of games where the developers constantly avoid doing the work they need to do to make the game actually fun.
The vast majority of my time used to be spent playing multiplayer games almost exclusively, now I don't even THINK about touching any of the multiplayer games I have (unless it's co-op), and I CERTAINLY don't entertain the idea of actually paying even a penny for a new multiplayer game, if it's multiplayer and came out in the last 5 years, you can be 100% certain it is, at best, mediocre, but more than likely completely unplayable/mind numbingly boring garbage that's more concerned about pan handling on the main menu than making sure you have fun in the actual game.
PVE games have just become more fun for me aside from a select few PVP, as not only can I feel like I can branch out with different playstyles and gear without getting stomped into the ground, but it’s nice when you can actually play with other people without so much animosity between people just because they are ticking each other off from different methods of doing things. Plus it’s nice when someone is the last one in something like a wave based survival and everyone is cheering the dude on to keep surviving.
@@noureldin6388Warframe its another good recomendation, everything is usefull in most of the cases and you can always found a good or a funny build, even one of the starter character is the best for one of the endgame content. In resume, the power fantasy, the good gameplay and the comunity (propably you can ask help and someone will be very grateful to help you) keep the game alive.
I largely stopped playing competitive games many years ago. All the games I play now are cooperative, or have the ability to completely avoid PvP. I'm reminded why I stopped playing competitive games every time I hop into a chat with the boys and hear them complaining about Apex / Overwatch. Talking trash about teammates, saying the game sucks or the devs suck, enemy has no skill or isn't playing honorably... all the classic lines. Those, and the two of them yelling at each other. Maybe that's how they bond now, lol, but that ain't for me. Plus, the only competitive game I truly enjoyed was Halo 3. Man. Those were the days. The sense of community I used to have while playing that game... the levity... i miss it. That and long Forge mode sessions, sometimes even with friends.
thats becouse everyone now a days blames EVERYTHING but them self for losing. its gotten to the point where its totaly normal to blame your own team for losing and flaiming in the chat. Which is so sad if you think about it, players turning on there OWN TEAM is TOTALY NORMAL in gaming.... like wtf. if you didnt play like a god/Perfekt than focus on yourself and getting better before you blame YOUR TEAM.
@@freakdavid4085 Exactly. Honestly, the mentality of deflecting blame is a problem in a lot of other areas of life, too. I'm guilty of it as well, gamer rage and all, and I've been trying to get that stuff out of me. It's so childish and embarrassing ...
@@knellhurst Im gone make a Video about this (on my main channel this is my privat acc) where i talk about the gamer copingmechanism but its gone be in german :D
I'm so glad this obsession with multiplayer gaming has cooled off some. It's not like it was 10 years ago when developers were scared that any game released without multiplayer support would sell poorly. Now we're to the point where most games are either single player or multiplayer; not much mixing of the two anymore.
16:50 i think the problem is people are stressed from FOMO. I find myself getting angrier than normal when someone kills me as im just trying to do challenges. It tilts me so hard i end up quitting soon after, but i imagine someone a bit more hard headed would blame everyone else and project that anger onto them.
I'm fully guilty of the fear of missing out and grinding in a game to complete a pass. I understand your point and yes it is scummy that games implement this.
Dude you hit the nail on the head! When I was younger I loved playing online, now it's mostly monster hunter and other coop games for me. It's good to know that others share the same sentiments I do about multiplyer games!
I've been watching a lot of "what went wrong" videos and in every single one of them the answer is always money. From fashion, to architecture, to transportation, to gaming and so on. And I still see people refusing to believe there is any connection between this system to the lack of inovation and creativity. Corporate greed is the biggest enemy we have to face when seeking joy in life, and that saddens me deeply.
I feel more and more people are starting to grasp that capitalism in its current form is the greatest enemy of joy and creativity that exists. It just takes time unfortunately. A lot of time.
To add complex layer i would say its short term greed specifically, its the Q1-Q4 format and "career" way of capitalism that ruins a lot, a lot of the finance people switching jobs like crazy and wants to have on their resume % results knowing that the havoc they make getting their results will be blamed on someone else after they switched jobs
This. I didn’t even know what I’ve been missing in multiplayer games, but it’s this. When I first got my PS3, it opened me to the world of online gaming. Eventually I moved into PS4. Gran Turismo 5&6, dirt rally, F1, Black ops 3, Battlfield 4 & 1. All had unlockables you just had to progress through the game to get. You *could* buy every car in GT6, but it just took some time. If you played enough with friends, you eventually get any car you want. We had a core group of like 30 people, with others hopping on occasionally. One night we had an entire team on the Battlefield 1 conquest lobby (32 people). Now look at GT7. I’ve stopped gaming. I don’t have time for the season passes grinds. I’d rather spend my time and money on real life. You can not possibly buy every car in GT7 before they turn off servers without micro-transactions.
You hit the nail on the head with this one. Been saying for a minute that the introduction of battle passes has been one of the worst things to happen in gaming
The worst part about the battle passes too is that most of them just contain filler junk to collect, I cant remember the last time I actually wanted to grind a battlepass
Thank you for mentioning SBMM. It's by far the biggest reason why I don't enjoy multiplier games anymore. Being punished for doing good just because the devs want everyone to have a 50% winrate is an absolutely asinine idea. Especially in casual gamemodes, where you're supposed to kick back and relax. Unfortunately, I don't see SBMM going away any time soon, since it has proven to do exactly what it was designed to do: improve the player retention and make the devs more money
It's basically what happens with anything chicks start to participate in. The dudes get chains tied to their ankles. As soon as you see chicks start to participate in something, just move on; only frustration follows. A lesson we all have to learn the hard way.
@@LavishPatchKidWow thats extremely sexist, and chicks is an extremely incel word to use. Games have sbmm because people used to complain that pub stompers ruined their games, so now they won't ever see them. I hate sbmm but it is a product of people complaining and then it working when implemented.
@@SirKittersII "chicks is an extremely incel word to use" 'Chicks' has been used for decades. 'Incel' is a couple of years old, and none of you even use it right. lol I swear, this society is so dumb.
@LavishPatchKid either way your comment makes little sense considering that most of pvp player base is male and that's especially true when you get to the e sport level. Never seen an women compete at that level.
I think skill algorithms have made games far more competitive. Before these algorithms, you'd play and sometimes you'd get stomped by players much better than you. Sometimes you you'd do the stomping. The gamble was part of the fun. Now you're always on the knifes edge where you have to be super focused and play meta or lose every time.
This is honestly one of the best videos I've seen on the state of modern multiplayer games. I really miss that earlier era of "Couch Multiplayer" I grew up on and it sucks some players might never experience something like that
I'm glad you resonated with it :) I do agree that it's tragic most people will never know what couch Multiplayer was like, ten times more fun than this toxic hellscape online. If you liked this vid, you might like my one on franchises too
Absolutely spot on assessment. We saw within a few decades, the innocent and genuine joy of gaming; Transform into yet another "industry". They took the golden goose and strapped it to an auto-egg-extractor. The constant online, time sapping, loot box, daily log in rewards, grind, rinse and repeat tactics of multiplayer games are what makes me keep my PS2 collection. But take heart; When you get up and walk away from the constant muse of multiplayer games, go invest yourself in bettering a skill or studying something deeply. Doing things for others, living a fulfilling life and loving others better, and you will soon realize that the muse of multiplayer games goes quite silent and you realize how tiny and insignificant it is compared to real living.
Oh don't worry, I'm bettering a skill right now, first by making this video to shit on current MP games. Taught myself editing from scratch for this project :)
I couldn’t agree more with what you are saying. I’v been playing competitive online games for more than a decade and the experience is just getting worse and worse. Those games are toxic on so many levels and you almost end up forgetting that you can have fun in those games. Lately I’v been playing solo adventure games or silly co-op games with my friends and it is 10 times more enjoyable.
I have experienced the same as I grew up with the early beginnings of the internet and I played my first online RPG game (Ultima Online) in about 1998. Of course I played CS (not the GO one), UT, UT2003, Battlefield 1942, etc. In the beginning you had trolls too, but in general the people were OK and nice to each other. Today I don't even have to play 5 minutes in BF V to see the first insult in the chat. In my opinion it is not only the thing that everyone wants to be an e-sport gamer, but its the frustration the games generate today! You know everyone wants to get the little extras from the battlepass as fast as possible, so in fact everyone is anoyed and even pissed to grind it. So you login and try to fulfill the next step of your pass, whatever, and you get shot down every time because you must fulfill this f****** assignment where you have to knife or kill somebody with a flamer on a map made intentionally for snipers! It don't even make you angry about the players from the other team but even teammates! Finally you get into melee range to some opponent and you are ready to knife him / roast him and then your teammate just shot him with his shotgun!!!! Because he has already the next assignment to grind which states "use your shotgun"!!!!! It is sooooooo anoying to play those games I loved in the past today! It would really be funny to play those games today too, if all this season pass, lootbox, whatever mechanics would not exist. Then you just would play the game because its fun and not for some stupid grind and many of the players would play their roles on the battlefield as it is intended from the gameplay mechanics.
Honestly, agree with this so much. That's a big issue now, it's that players are even incentivised to play more toxic and less for fun by the very way assignments and crap like that are designed.
Same as you, started with Q2 and original CS 1.0, then UT, UT2003. I liked it mostly not online but in LAN in game rooms ( dont know exact word in english, basicly place with 8-10 computers connected in lan, you pay by hour and you play either single player or you can play with others in lan). There was always fun and banter but it never went to toxic cause if you were asshole to someone three seats down, well, it could turn ugly fast. We also played lots of original Starcraft, Warcraft 2 and best multyplayer game ever, Heroes 3. Online world in 56k modem era was fun, most players didn't have microphone so it was less of toxic shit talk. Later, i played Combat Arms for few years and that game was reasonably good, you could be competitive without spending money, but you could spend money and buy some op gear that made up for lack of skill. I want even mention WoW, that game was kinda fun and good if you had good guild, but pvp was not that fun. These days, as someone in mid 30s, i dont have time to "git gud" and i don't want shell out real money on ingame shit. So i play mostly story driven games , RPGs mostly. FPS, as much as i love them, especially online multiplayer ones, are not for me. It's either invest bunch of money or bunch of time or both. I miss old games like Q3 arena, with simple mechanics, fast paced action, no special skills items or unlocks. Learn weapons, learn map and shoot at each other.
Some indie games have been using free “season passes” Deep rock galactic is a good example. There’s some hope in indie titles. Battle bit also has a free progression system. I really hope games like these don’t die out completely. They’re getting more and more rare these days.
The last multiplayer game I tried to get into was Halo Infinite and I realized that what killed Halos spirit was the heavy monetization. The older games like 3 and Reach had you earn the cool sets of armor while this game has everything monetized and locked behind paywalls. Many games have followed this trend and this is a major factor in what has killed multiplayer games for me.
i REAAAALLLYYYY felt you with that "balance characters" part. i LOVED playing azir in LOL since his realease, hell even all my nicks in video games are "shurimain" because of shurima. it had all i wanted from a champion, range, mobility and a REALLLT high skillcap that i really inverted a LOT of time in, and 2 months later when i was just getting the grasp of what i can do whith the champ, they neerfed it by removing half of his kit because in pro play, he can do more damage than any other champion IF everyone focus on protecting him . . . . yeah . . . soooo . . . because of pro play i cent really have fun with the shit i like to play anymore
I feel like what you said about every game wanting an e-sports scene rings very true. People seem to be more focused on competition than actually enjoying the game. I also feel that people nowadays are a lot more aware of their online anonymity and abuse that fact by being horrible to others in game. I can image that when voicechat first became a thing lots of people were a lot more carefull (totally speculating that btw) And does anyone know the song that plays at the end of the video? I feel like I know it, but I can't put my finger on it
If you mean the credits song it's Respite from the Binding of Isaac soundtrack. If the previous one, then it's Falling Into Dream from Far Cry 3. Don't quote me on this it has been a while since I edited this 😂
My worst problem when i played online fps games was playing against team of friends, players who playing all the time together. I was always asking myself: why i should play with random people against people who spend all games together as real team. Its hard to connect with randoms while other team always know how to work together. Thats a mess
Yeah, lots of team games have this issue of matching you against obvious premade teams. It really sucks when you're getting stomped as a group of randoms and literally have no way to match a coordinated group of friends.
That bit near the end was super relatable, sbmm in casual modes and the inability to pick up teammates slack in new games really killed modern multiplayer for me. I find myself only really playing older games or solo-multiplayer stuff. But it sucks because, I miss playing stuff like CoD, even the new Halo, but everytime I load one up, if i'm not trying my hardest and running meta, in casual, we get rolled, and that's not fun for anyone, not even the winning team. All because the system is expecting it of me.
I remember a time in games when you saw someone with fancy skins/clothes/guns it meant they were a BEAST and would usually shit on you. Now it means, Lil Timmy got moms debit card again.
The point I relate to the most has to be toxic chat segment, on CoD MW3 I filled my friends list on Xbox with randoms I enjoyed playing with. I play the new MW2 and get called every slur in the book. I know there are people who go "the good ol days" but when it bleeds into people just screaming at any noise in the lobby, it becomes less of the good ol days and just another reason to have everyone muted,
Honestly, it never felt like bad toxic in the old day lobbies. It was usually a bunch of kids screaming about each others mums. Nowadays you've got just scum, like death threats, slurs on top of slurs. It's pathetic. I miss being able to make actual friends with randoms.
Voice chat was the best part, all these games are trying to take away game chat. People just can’t handle being called words over a video game, it’s sad. Games will never be how they were
On the subject of meta, I’ve found that good roguelites constantly shatter conceptions of “good” meta. Like yeah, there may be a core set of consistently effective strategies, but sometimes, sheer rng will force you into unique (and often incredibly fun) synergistic spaces.
Loved your story telling and the delivery! This really summed up a lot of what I've been feeling with multiplayer games and I've since been exploring a bunch of single player titles like before.. Gonna go watch the rest of your videos now :)
I’ve realized that i haven’t played fps multiplayer, battle royal, or free to play game in a long while. I’ve been playing games with my friends where we can just chill like pve, story game, puzzle games, games that don’t require you to spend a dime in order to a cool cosmetic. Me and my friend do play the occasional campaign from a fps cause that’s the only fun part of them. We literally beat halo 1 on legendary for FUN.
Co-op campaigns are so good. So lame there aren't that many, when MCC came to PC, me and a friend who had loved Halo CE as kids decided to even do the LASO run of it. That was hard. But still more fun than most multiplayer matches I have.
you should try titanfall 2, oldish game that got abandoned by respawn, but honestly the best fps, period, and it’s still got an active community and multiplayer (that’s actually fun). it doesn’t have a battle pass or any FOMO, 85% all of the cosmetics are unlockable with gameplay, and the ones that aren’t are of equal quality of the ones that are, plus are pretty damn cheap (5$ max for the most expensive thing that’s not a pack if I can remember right), the gameplay is top tier, just look up any video of it, and the multiplayer is pretty fun cause it’s got no skill based matchmaking, and if pvp isn’t your thing it has a group pve mode with up to 4 people called frontier defense, and to top it off it’s got vc, which is nice but I’m pretty sure you can only hear it if you’ve got a mic, which is sad. campaign is short and sweet, but amazing at the same time, and as a quick warning the game has a history of getting ddossed cause some guy got upset he wasn’t being hired at respawn so he’s crashed apex and titanfall repeatedly over and over in the past few years, but that hasn’t happened in a bit so it should be good. no crossplay though, but still the best fps out there
@@ihaveajojoaddiction9592 I actually have that game but it’s hard getting into lobbies. I played it a lot before the DDOS attacks, but I still found the game really enjoyable and the gameplay is legendary
Damn bro top tier quality video my g You where able to describe the feelings I had towards mp games that I couldn't understand why my enjoyment was slowly receding. Picked up the re2 remake Wich I would have never done before and I enjoyed the heck out of it. Developers putting real work into something, hiding easter eggs and surprising the player when least expected.
You touched on the overall quality and your personal experience as a decent/above average player in different shooters and hero shooters, and it was so spot on! I wanted to explore the idea you put out there about simply being more access to computers/internet and gaming nowadays: I think that having a torrent of below average IQ, or even just average IQ people added to the match-making formula over the last decade, coupled with the incessant and constant patch cycles, means that these players will be the last to adapt (if they could even do it). Making your ranked games a true gacha experience almost completely outside of your control. And there is a big stinky cherry on top of it, if that wasn't bad enough... You can't carry alone anymore (my perspective is of League of Legends & Overwatch) where the games are OVERLY designed to be played as a 5 stack with VC on. So even the better solo player is afraid of the meat grinder that is the purposely horrid match-making coupled with FOMO and de-ranking, constant patch cycles means that even Champions or Heroes become part of a TIMER, as you don't know what's going to be strong or weak or even for how long. And the best part is, they can excuse the killing of your favorite character with: ''It's too strong in the hands of the 0,01% of players at the tippity top!'' However, even more comical and the one that enrages me the most is: ''we are culling this champ in lieu of it being strong in the ESPORT SCENE or just because it was BORING to watch. And so, 10 million people get shat on publicly without any type of recourse, so just around 100 underdeveloped man-children playing the game all day every day with voice comms and 0 ping in LAN, get a better experience, BRAVO! All of this makes online multiplayer games extremely stale and just taxing to play. Everyone just sheepishly follows what streamers or ''pros'' do, so if you find a cool strat or a way to use an item, etc. And THAT strat gets out to the ''influencers'' of the game? You are shit out of luck, it's going to go 6 feet under, or simply reworked to be reintroduced into this pure and sterile environment that is 'X' competitive game. Where the Devs treat their Product like the Soviets treated Russian territory. (Funny thing is... If you go to twitter, you can see most Devs of LoL and Apex Legends are borderline communists or full blown.)
@@literallylaw I added the commie thing as a metaphor for the "totalitarian" managing of a live service game, I'm a fan of a more organic development of metas and so on. 😁
@@nosferiazafora See, I appreciate you clarifying lol, I really don't like to or want to make this channel about politics. But I agree, organic metas are the best, yet at this point in 90% they barely even exist. They're literally as you suggest forced by the devs whims and balancing.
great video, sadly a lot of the gaming industry has lost touch with their original fanbase, AAA gaming will just be a cash grab going forward and gen Z and beyond will never know what true great gaming was like where we never had to pull out our wallets to unlock something.
@@literallylaw Definitely, I miss the days where you just popped in a game and you were playing right away, no day one mega patches, no stupidly long updates. no installs, no terms of agreement screen popping up saying you need to sell your data or some bullshit. The only company that still gives me that classic gaming experience anymore in Nintendo, They have yet to fall to the pure greed that has infested other companies. I see a lot of people being mad about the fact that Nintendo games are gonna be $70 going forward, But I would gladly pay that if they dont ever add in microtransactions or other monetized bullshit.
There's only one modern multiplayer game I play because it's devoid of so much of the crap that plagues the industry, Splatoon 3. It still has it's problems even beyond the infamous connection issues but I feel like it just has more respect for my time than anything else on the market. It's mechanically rewarding to master how to play unlike something like Overwatch where they actively patched out any cool tech people found (at least when I played it, no clue how they treat that shit now). Nintendo is hesitant about nerfing things (a little too much, many would argue) since they saw how it fucked up 2 nerfing shit into the ground. There *is* a battle pass but it's completely free without having to do some dumb challenges to progress, first win of the day even gives you almost an entire tier for free. The battle pass isn't perfect, I don't know of any way to get the non clothing items. The matchmaking system is... actually still kinda bad, but for an entirely different set of reasons compared to other multiplayer games. This comment is long enough as is so I'll just say to look up Squid School's "Rank Points Debt" video if you want to know more, it's a little outdated since a matched changed something but the gist is there. Just know you're not really going to be punished for winning a few games and I still prefer this over the horror stories I hear about other games. Anyway, as for the community, well, you won't have anyone describing how they splatted inside your mom because you can't communicate at all. Not through words at least, when I want to throw a squid party, I manage to get that message across. And lastly, there's progression beyond ranked. As you level up, you gain access to more and more weapons in the shop as well as the currency specifically for actually buying them. You can also get gear separate from the battle pass from the in-game shops. All free, Nintendo never has microtransactions in Splatoon and even when they added paid DLC to to 2, it was just a singleplayer campaign (and the best sp content the series had up to that point by a country mile). 3 is not looking to buck the trend of there being no mp focused DLC, either. Also, funnily enough, I find myself sweating more playing the coop than the pvp. Though it is also just way harder than it was in Splatoon 2.
Unfortunately I can't say I've ever played a Splatoon game as I've never owned a Nintendo console and don't know if I'll ever have the cash to throw about to get one. But that does sound like a fun time. My friends that do have a switch however complain to no end about how bad Nintendo are with their multiplayer and connection issues. Especially in Smash. That's always kept me away from their consoles and mainly emulating their old single player games.
@@literallylaw I usually expect people who aren't dedicated Splatoon content creators to have never played the game. That's partly why I find myself writing so much about the game, would save me so much time if I could just write "splatoon though lmao" and have people just know what I mean. As for the online problems, playing on a wired connection helps quite a bit. The worst I usually have to deal with in Splatoon is *other* people disconnecting. It's annoying when it happens but I can easily tolerate it. A wire can't save Smash, though. That game's just fucked when it comes to online play. Worst part is that the game almost got rollback but the devs couldn't figure out how to handle rng mechanics, especially annoying since there are other fighting games with rng that already figured this out.
Splatoon is my favorite multiplayer game. Sadly, I can't play it due to the dreaded connection issues. But I'm glad you mentioned it as it avoids a lot of the issues modern multiplayer games have. It also got me into gyro aim and for the first time I was semi-competent with a shooter.
This sums up multiplayer so well, it's growing so stale and average and half the time most matches feel like if you put in anything less than 95% effort all the sweats will just harrass you the whole match, it sucks but hopefully something new comes out and revitalizes how multiplayer games used to be
It’s so damn true breaks my heart that i don’t have the joy for multiplayer games anymore, whenever i pickup a long not played multiplayer game to play like overwatch 2 or … i don’t feel like enjoying it but forcing my self to win and be stressed out in the game, constantly complaining or shouting to my friends. Still i would love to play single players like RE4 remake or Dead space , cyberpunk etc but that’s another story. The love and joy for games like bo1 or mw2 etc is either dead or much less than it was before.
Interesting video! As someone who never plays shooter games, I find it interesting that my favorite types of multiplayer games have kinda side-stepped some of the issues highlighted here. Maybe it’s because I’ve historically gravitated towards one-on-one competitive games like fighting games or strategy games. Playing any team based game where your team isn’t composed of people you already know seems like a terrible experience. And probably more likely to spawn toxicity since the veil of anonymity on the internet makes people more likely to lash out at each other. Give me a fighting game and a local group of people that play together IRL… that’s the best kind of multiplayer experience in my opinion. I think it also helps that when you play one-on-one games, the “progression” that you focus on has little to do with unlocking content. It’s about your own improvement. In a one-on-one game there is no one to blame but yourself when you lose, and no one to take the credit but you when you win. You can (ideally) feel yourself getting a little better at the game with every loss and victory. As a result, I feel like these type of games don’t necessarily need unlockable content to motivate the player, paid for or otherwise. E.g. My current motivation is to get good enough that I can beat up that dude who plays Potemkin next time I see him at the bar where we play Guilty Gear haha
I enjoy fighting games and grand strategy a lot actually. I just don't really consider them the same I suppose. Fighting games are generally unplayable online to me, so mentally I don't even mark them as multiplayer. They're a thing for me to play with friends on the couch in person or at a game bar. If that makes sense. But I totally get where you're coming from with the difference of having a 1v1 against having to drag a team on your shoulders.
@@literallylaw yeah that’s totally fair. It’s really only been in the past couple years that fighting games have had halfway decent netcode. I’m thankful that fighting game developers have finally joined the rest of the competitive gaming scene in the 21st century in that regard haha
I'm tired of being called poor just because a feature i spent a good amount of my life experiencing (earning rewards through gameplay) disappeared, what is bad about being upset that something that you used to get just by spending 60 dollars now costs an additional 20 dollars once every month
Nothing is bad. The only people who'll shit talk you are brain washed drones who's opinion is worth as much as the toilet paper you wipe your ass with.
I asked myself the same thing about the absurd amount of toxicity in MP games even when the devs go out of their way to try and make the game feel less serious and more fun/goofy, and I think a part of it is social media and people that grew up largely around that. It's very easy for people's mistakes to be singled out and highlighted for everyone to see nowadays, and there's a fear of that, especially when in these team-oriented games there's seemingly always a primary person to blame for the ultimate failure of the team even if multiple players made multiple mistakes, and as a comp player you're expected to just be able to deal with being flamed and use it to fuel yourself because for some people it does work that way (maybe even for the people flaming you but certainly not for everyone). Another thing is as mentioned, the primary rewards you get without paying money for the game is ranks, stats and clips to share, so you'd be annoyed at team mates that have supposedly robbed you of those. Social media has also been seen to attract egotistical people and as games are more prevalent in that space so more egotistical people will be drawn to popular games which are also easy to make content from (people are there to see the game even if there's nothing interesting about you yet). All in all, I believe most of these kinds of issues are design issues and devs can choose what behaviour they want to incentivize in their games, and it's pretty clear where their priorities lie. It's sad coz the art teams also do a fantastic job and only get better over time, but everything else is booged down by business decisions. * About data, the problem is how much they ignore user feedback compared to it, but they do acknowledge some nuances around it, like they also know how popular a hero is and their win rate per map, and on hero mirrors vs non-mirrors, the data isn't useful unless it's that rich. The main issue is how they'll interpret it after, or what their agenda is. E.g. They're afraid of nerfing or changing Mercy too much coz she's the most popular hero.
100% agree with you on it being a tragedy that devs pretty much prioritise this. And also, that yes, the artists do amazing jobs, even with OW for example, where the character designs world and everything else are so iconic, but they're trapped in a game most people just hate now. Blizzards devs are also just inept at balancing, they always have been since basic old WoW days, so it's really not surprising that they still fail to interpret data well or in a way that's conducive to real improvement in the state of the game.
I think you nailed why competitive PVP has fallen down badly. I do think Discord has help keep that goofy fun we all miss from the 2004-2012 era of gaming (I regularly play Halo MCC and Splatoon 3 with buds and randos on a server), but most of PVP gaming and online in general has been hurt by battle passes, unfinished games, never fulfilled promises and just traeting people like crap, both devs and players. Halo and COD's competiveness came from the community, thanks to the tools that custom games brought, so big wigs and out of touch devs desperately trying to make their game into a E-sport with strict SBMM while trying to get casual players to spend more through shitty cosmetics and FOMO really sucks. I do however, have a feeling that era will end soon, thanks to the likes of co-op games, single player titles like Hi-Fi Rush and Dead Space showing how phenomenal that space is and the extraction shooter genre very much improving the formula of BRs by having stakes without being sweaty, showing that casual PVP games still have a market. Multiplayer wasn't killed.... It's just missing in action for now.
This is actually how i have been feeling for a long time with multiplayer games and i am glad TH-cam recommended me something good for once, i grew up on Black Ops 1 and 2 back in the day and i remember lobbies being full of different kinds of loadouts and playstyles, you had people rocking the LMGs, someone running around with the shotgun and the psychopath running around with the ballistic knives and it was just really fun seeing all kinds of different playstyles. Then i remembered getting MW2019 when it first came out and seeing that you couldn't compete with any loadout unless you were running around with a stockless gun that gave you the ADS time of the flash. It's just that every new multiplayer pvp game just turns me away because every time it's as if i don't conform to the meta i'm going to die every 6 seconds. I suppose the upside was that i was able to play a bunch of games that were on my bucket list a while back such as System Shock 2, Deus Ex and the original F.E.A.R. and holy hell those were such good games to play, and i still boot them up time to time along with some Co-op games because at least they don't ask of me to dedicate my life to the game just to get a morsel of fun out of it if the stars align correctly.
I don’t remember buying any modern multiplayer games besides Cod black ops 3, I’ve mainly put my mind on local multiplayer games because those always seem better to me
@@literallylawthat's why IMO online local style or online coop games are great. Games using steam's networking solution, no port forwards, no bs. Me and another friend are currently playing through borderlands 2 with all its side missions. Coop is soooo seamless its not funny
This makes me reminisce the days of Battle Field 2142! You can completely turn the tide of the game, without needing to shoot a single person if you so chose. You were seen as a hero for dropping down med packs or supplying your teammates with ammunition admits a fire fight or even by sacrificing yourself to distract the enemy while your team swarms in for a victory. Not into the shoot in the face game play that day, then stay on the ground and cap silos, slowly doing your part to take down the enemies Titan! In those days, only a very small select percent cared about their K/D ration. It was more about doing what needed to be done in order to get the victory, not about being to scared to jump in a situation because it might mess up your pointless numbers. That's the kind of game I miss. That's the kind of game I hope to make again, one day!
Back when multiplayer games did classes well and not this dog shit hero system everyone copied. Being a good medic or engineer was legitimately game changing in the old BF games. What a time.
Destiny2 broke me from fomo. It was getting to a point where i didn't have time to keep grinding because i was so burnt out and wanted to play something else. After missing a season, even though it felt bad, i think i got over it. Now i just don't attach myself to cosmetic items anymore in other games. As i got older i felt like i got worse and worse pvp anxiety, so now i just play coop survival games with 2 friends or solo storyline games. I can't even get immersed into mmos anymore, they all feel like different flavour of second jobs.
This video resonated with me so deeply, the content, the music bringing me nostalgic memories, thanks man….I really needed this video. It’s sad what gaming has become. Miss the simple times so much :(
Rock and Stone brothers! I’ve also been feeling the multiplayer fatigue the past few years. Glad to find fun co ops and games with good communities like DRG
I was thinking last night about how once I finally got my own house and I Internet, I sunk 100 plus hours into Apex legends but now I can't even play it because I have absolutely fallen in love with single player stories. I thought to myself, people who only play multiplayer games are just playing themselves as gamers because they are missing out on so many beautiful experiences just to do the same thing over and over again.
Pretty much exactly why I stick mainly to co-op and single-player now. Co-op is where I still interact with friends and other people and single player is where I actually have the most fun and engaging experiences.
I hate pvp games because i hate being overpowered by other players and the amount of toxicity the community brings because they don’t like losing a round, And i’m more into Co-op over pvp, One of the exceptions is Left 4 Dead’s Versus Mode and Counter Strike’s community made Zombie Mode, I used to play a mobile game Block City Wars and good at competing other players
One of the few multiplayers i play is actually a really, REALLY underground game: Tony Hawk's UnderGround Pro (better known as THUG Pro) and i've realized that it solves a lot of the problems shown in this video, so i thought i'd share it with you. First: no monetization. Yes, you readed it right, you don't have to pay for the game, you don't have to pay for cosmetics and you don't have to pay for anything! Second: it's a skating game. Once you play shooters for a long time, they start to all feel the same, but since THUG Pro dosen't have to fear "not selling well" they can do what they want, and in this case it's an idea that it's not new (Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 came out in 1999) but that SO many people havent experienced yet, that it almost feels like it was something new Third: community. It is no surprise that since the last Tony Hawk game done by NeverSoft (Tony Hawk's Proving Ground, 2007) the series has lost popularity, and so the community of THUG Pro is really small, but this is not something bad, at the contrary, this is perfect! You WILL encounter the same people hundreds of times everytime you play and get to meet them, and, if you get real toxic, people are just gonna ban you from their servers, and you will only be allowed to play at FCFS, and i don't think people will want to play with you so they will just leave. Fourth: skill and playing games. It's really easy to start playing Tony Hawk, but it's really damn hard to master the game, and so you will be learning tricks and tips from the people you play with, not only that but when you play a match, if you do some sick stuff people are gonna praise you, and even if you do bad, the game just displays the points at the end of the match, so you really didn't "lose" Fifth: graphics. Since this game was done for the Tony Hawk fans, there is no problem with keeping the classic PS2 graphics, so almost every PC can run it smoothly Hope some of you begin to play THUG Pro since it's such a good game with such a small playerbase, and maybe, JUST MAYBE, this will result in another Tony Hawk game being released by Activision
I've actually played this conversion mod. I always enjoyed the older Tony hawk games, but I'd much rather get another Skate instalment personally. I had way more fun with those games and the way the board controlled.
Being a gameprogramming student with previous experience in game development: i'm taking notes here, I agree on every point you've made! I remember those old days when play was more at focus... Everything is just so inflated with dopamine hacks! the colours, the sound for every little reward, the fast paste and time to kill.. Remember in Halo 3 when you found all skulls and when you went to the customzation menu the long awaited Hayabusa was there! as if santa had been around! Thank you for this video!
The only reason I sometimes still play multi-player games is if I can play with friends. At least I know they won't be toxic. Looking forward to your video on coop games. I fondly remember mw2 coop missions
@geraar88 I found that out the hard way after a racial slur was said live in the in game voice chat with a game I was playing last year. Ever since I have made sure to turn off all in game voice chats, text boxes, game usernames, etc. Amazing how games start to feel more fun again not seeing any of that toxicity!
You put everything that I wish I would’ve put in a video myself and I must say you delivered beautifully in every single way. From the nuance to the hilarious irony that plagues our multiplayer games today, you got it spot on and I’m gonna recommend this to my friends who all feel the same way. I think extra things that have been plaguing games is that now, most people that buy these games have gotten extremely complacent and take all the garbage. I loved titanfall 2 and cringe when I see that in apex legends they sell you a blue skin for 10 dollars as opposed to the standard red skin for a weapon. Now, the developers aren’t even trying and are literally just putting whatever price tag they feel like without care. Many games nowadays have also become very one-dimensional as well. I love variety as well and love when games offer many game modes with their core gameplay mechanics. Now, games don’t offer anything else besides one core game mode and it makes the games die out for me in like a week. Battle róyales are a perfect example of this and they dare to sell a battle pass. There aren’t any CTF multiplayer modes or king of the hill modes and even Team Deathmatch seems to be hard to come across in games nowadays like wtf. All in all great video man I felt literally every word in this video to my soul. Looking forward to more content whenever you feel like putting your heart out again.
Thank you so much, this is one of the nicest things anyone's ever said to me. Also, Apex Legends is one of the greatest tragedies of all time, the fact the game made to play off the shitty BR trend blew up more than the masterpiece that was Titanfall 2 will forever make me genuinely angry about this industry. But yeah, I agree with all the other points you've raised too. The one dimensional issue for sure, I've always hated Battle Royales because of it being a single mode and usually like 3 maps. That just gets so boring to me so fast.
@@literallylaw Apex legends is a super nerfed titanfall to me. Ironically, even watered down titanfall is better to many people out there than most shooters. The problem is people made EAs job super easy for them and just shit out content for that cash grab of a game. Sadly, it looks like apex took the priority over a possible titanfall 3 which breaks my heart lol
First other person I've heard compare the FOMO aspect of these online multiplayer games to having another job. It really is like having a second job trying to keep up with everything in these lives service games. My personal pet peev is "rotational" playlists for fan favorite game modes.
Maybe because most people playing these games are kids or students or people who have no clue what a job is actually like. Because I can guarantee you almost anyone who works a full time would feel the same about This FOMO shit as you and me do.
Very true. It wouldn't surprise me if the vast majority of people defending practices such as these were younger people who don't yet understand the concept of have a real job. As you said, I highly doubt they would feel the same way if they did. Side note, I think this is the real reason that a lot of older gamers are looking to retro games, and not just nostalgia. It's a lot less stressful to come home after a long day of work and just pop in a game to play for a bit. Compared to keeping up with live service announcements, balance changes, meta starts, and all the constant money grabbing, it's an easy choice. Nostalgia just makes the choice that much easier, I think.
its also the culture of everyone is somewhat good at games now and so every one including devs and players try to make everything very competitive and e-sports orientated
I even feel this with single player games now. Everyone is so into Soulsborne and older games which were harder, so Devs are trying to make all of these really challenging games. Thankfully there is a bit more accessible games in the single player space though.
Back in the days we played games like Half-life, UT and Quake for hours without any cosmetics or progression. If anyone needs progression in a multiplayer game to have fun, I'm telling you, it's you problem
Back in your day you didn't have anything that should've been with the game at launch locked away behind these pay walls. Different times completely different situation.
@Literally Law You mentioned unreal tournament so I'm using your logic, therefore it can't be a different situation. If the game is fun, that should be enough. Don't wanna pay, don't pay. Agree corporate greed is frustrating but it shouldn't stop you from having fun. Perhaps you simply outgrew Multi player.
@@hillnegus300 here's the thing, I do have fun, when there's a progression system that isn't predatory. I also have fun with a number of games that have zero progression. The issue is you took a single point out of a half hour video where I cover multiple reasons why I now dislike modern multiplayer offerings and focused it. That's just one element, my issue is that 90% of multiplayer slop being shovelled out now has all of the above wrong with it, AND never any good or non predatory progression system. When I was young I could ignore this shit, but I just can't anymore. I cannot play a game where they launched it with a measly ten maps and barely any other content and then won't update it with anything except what's in the battle pass for a whole year and just enjoy that anymore. It's fucking lazy. Triple A devs should be doing MORE than just that. We're not talking studios with the kind of miniscule budget they had for the original Half Life Death Match or Unreal. We're talking greedy bastards who already release barely there anemic games and then string you along with systems where you can't earn any of the shit that should be there day one. Again, Overwatch now locks ENTIRE CHARACTERS behind a battle pass unlock in the season they launch. That's comedic.
@@literallylaw there's too many games all buying for our time, and that's the main issue. years ago, lets say around half-life one time. If you wanted to play a muti-player shooter, you only had a couple choices. There was no room for corporate greed or of choice paralysis. Too many chefs in the kitchen aka game defs/pubs.
with the problem that you discussed about in the video, about casual and toxic MW2-type lobbies not existing more, I believe that it really is due to 1. the esport wannabes and 2. the people who are seemingly forced to grind out season pass challenges in order to make themselves feel that their purchase was worth it. In a way multiplayer games (like fortnite) oddly encourage more and more players to play by themselves to complete these challenges as it would be otherwise time-consuming and counterproductive to have a CASUAL match with their friends. It may also be due to the decrease in a passionate fan base for the game that would lead more and more players to keep their mic muted in case some 30 year old degenerate starts being unironically rude (I feel like the MW2 lobbies may appear "rude" to an outside observer, but it felt more like an inside joke to the people actually playing in them most of the time) which just ruins the insentive to have open mic conversations anymore. Idk. also, are you a battlefront II fan by any chance? because I saw the gameplay of it and it let me to assume that you believe that the game doesn't fall into the bad habits that modern multiplayer games have. I personally love the game and think its refreshing not to see any P2W or season pass garbage in the game. It really does annoy me though that some people didn't give it a second chance after the loot box incident, especially since it was removed from the game almost instantly after the hate. Really good video nonetheless. You appear to be a new youtuber but you have a really good style of editing and audio quality in your videos. I agree with all the takes in the rant which really is sad to think about. Thank you :)
Yeah, I'd noticed that even myself and some friends when we tried Halo Infinite we'd have to play alone to get our challenges done because we'd literally be worried our own group would steal kills we needed from each other. Ridiculous issue to have in a modern game. Also, yeah I'm one of the people who got it once it had dropped in price a bit and they'd torn out all the atrocious launch day systems. I think it's a decent game now. Best current actual active multiplayer star wars game at the very least. Still have fun on it now and then. Thanks for the kind words. I put off making a channel for years because I was using the same audio, video skills in general at work. So I wanted to improve them to the point where my stuff sounded and looked like some of the work more professional TH-camrs do before I really started putting out projects. Glad to hear the effort paid off.
The downfall of the MP FPS really started after MW 2019. Once the pandemic hit and nobody had anything to do ESports went huge even bigger than it already was. Now these games are catered towards these people who contribute nothing to society yet get payed millions along with the thousands of people who now want to be pro players. They have ruined MP FPS games and there is no turning the clock back. Not while streamers and pro players get payed millions to be nothing but living adverts who contribute nothing to society.
IMO the main problem is Skill matchmaking and competitive. It makes every match the same. If a game has random matchmaking it varies the game much more. I think you should either have casual, with random MM, and a proper competitive mode, where you need to queue with your own team.
I feel like esports has ruined gaming a little bit like everyone and their mother thinks they can become a pro esports player so almost everyone's parents are letting them play the game all day and in the old days from what i know because I'm 16 parents used to force their kids to go outside but now there's literally no one outside
I swear sometimes whenever I see videos like these, it makes me want to create my own fps game and just do what’s right for the people! For me I’ve been playing console games since 09 and i enjoy fps/arena shooters to this day but with this video. You bring a lot of strong points on the HUGE problem with games nowadays. I just wish I could give it a try do what’s right just create a game that separates casual/fun players and ranked/pro players. I thin you can have both but separate them. And create something finished!
Here is the companion piece to this video, Why I Love Co-Op
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There are solutions. push to bring back and make standard the following:
- P2P - Just play with friends and people you trust - no anti-cheats required.
- LAN - Pc gamers use to do LAN parties
- Split-screen -
- Adhoc - Nintendo Switch and other handheld gaming devices would excel with this kind of multiplayer feature
- offline bots - Especially with self-learning AI in modern times can boost and supplement multiplayer sessions and Internet is not even required.
You will notice none of these need or require corporate services and servers and thus cannot be monetized.
Corporate greed has ruined multiplayer and gaming in general, in order to turn gamers in hamsters on a wheel generating revenue for shareholders.
It doesn't have to be this way if one pushes and supports open source standards and things games used to have before they were systematically stripped away.
the only multiplayer game i can enjoy at the moment is cod mobile on pc lol
Halo has the only good season pass system because you can always go back to old seasons. When the new season comes, you can always go back to the old one
I didn't watch the video but I assume it's because you were trash and couldn't compete.
😂 you mad bro cause I said your video tisk tisk I'll buy you some Kleenex so you can cry.
every time we humans have a good thing going, it only lasts a couple years until money ruins it. Every. Single. Time.
Pretty much spot on.
yay capitalism
Socialism or communism would be just as bad, it isnt capitalism that's the problem it's money itself@@itsokthen
@@tokofukawap4055you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what communism is. a fully realized communist society would not have money. its in the definition.
@@tokofukawap4055you don't understand what you're talking about
“They all want to be e-sports players” perfectly sums up why most are toxic af in game chat, they think that they are right 100% of the time and will try to flame you for trying a different tactic or not doing exactly what they told you to.
Yep, METAs and these mindsets are a curse.
@@literallylawThere is nothing wrong in using the Most Effective Tactic Available if you don't tell someone else how they should play. Dictating others is wrong, not the META per se.
And i would never play a moder multiplayer game like Overwatch because i don't want to be forced to play as a team.
My absolute last game of MP was an OW1 game on Dorado. Everyone chose a DPS hero, once more leaving me to decide whether the team has a health pool or healing. Everyone split up to try fighting the entire enemy team by themselves, which made playing Mercy impossible. Enemy team moved the payload effortlessly until the 2nd point. I switched to Zenyatta, which finally got the payload to stop. My team showed their appreciation by dusting off their mics and telling me that I'm a POS and need to play Mercy because she's META, and I'm throwing by playing Zen.
I'm sure all of those guys went pro, like they wanted.
damn what games are you playing, i swear every game i join no one talks
M U T E. it’s simple really how is a sober sweat playing an fps game going to ruin my drunk experience 🤣🤣🤣
About the whole "more sweats in games now", I think that it's cause a lot of people are getting information about their multiplayer games from TH-camrs and Twitch streamers who try to make the strongest loadouts or builds, basically making a meta that if anyone deviates from, they're immediately singled out and shit on.
I absolutely believe streaming and TH-cam culture has increased the impact and overbearing nature of metas as a whole.
Almost every person you find whining about the meta in any competitive game will usually be parroting something they heard some streamer they watched say.
@@literallylaw it's also hard to pin the blame completely on the content creators when the most watched videos are meta build guides.
Destiny 2 PvP: Did someone say meta??
I experienced this in Mass Effect 3's multiplayer of all fucking things. People latched onto the CoD gun, called the Cerberus Harrier, which _on paper only,_ had the best damage, almost the best range, but it had dogshit ammo in the reserve, required almost a full mag to kill a super elite + all your cooldowns, and basically required you to have the location of every ammo box totally memorized or you were fucked. Meanwhile, I would run around with what was usually a non-meta weapon, on a build centered around damage over time, or extending my clip sizes, and I would come up with the most insane builds that nobody would understand because _they did not understand the game,_ they only saw the spreadsheet numbers and then control+F'ed to find the highest damage value, then used the only classes that benefited that playstyle. It didn't even have a competitive mode. I'd love to pull out unusual classes with what would appear to be suboptimal builds in order to have fun, but I'd always be making kills that saved people rather than just farming every enemy in the spawn, yet I'd be able to compete with or outperform the tryhards without much issue most of the time. And it was still toxic.
Games are also a lot more complicated and filled with different “layouts”.
Back then, like arena shooters and such, everyone had the same weapons. All the skills were in the mouvement and aim. You couldn’t be “overpowered” unless you had good map control and did take the “overpowered” gun. But it was still fun to play with / against.
This is why single player and indie games are getting the respect it deserves. Even modders in every gaming community made every game better to downright hilarious moments I’ve ever seen.
They were always superior, but yeah, now with people being disgusted by the current state of multiplayer, they're giving more of those types of games a chance.
All characters being equally playable and well-performed (plus award those who carey the game no matter how good your teammate is) is what roster balance should be
I've been saying this for the past 3-4 years. I'm glad more people are voicing their opinion on this aswell. It's one of the main reasons I started making my FPS game. I want to bring back casual gaming, and having genuine fun with friends.
Absolutely, party games and casual games for the win. The toxicity of these over competitive sweat fests has really killed the joy.
@@literallylaw Unfortunately I don't think that's going away no matter how casual the game is made to seem. At this point it's just second nature for some people to sweat every single game like it's the next big esport even if that's not the case, just because it's how they enjoy games.
Then find a way to end streaming as a career
@@Triforcebro How would that fix the issue?
@@capnc4ke By diverting today's gamers to see gaming as a fun hobby and an escape from reality again instead of a second job or career, would cut the need for people to "got gud" at such an extended level. Think of the mindset of people in the anime Sword art online and GunGale. When real life currency is a factor and or reward, the games no longer become fun or a hobby.
This is why I play single player games. No stress, no sweats, I can take my time with it. Downside I don't really talk to friends much anymore. Got into achievement hunting too much. It's sad that so many multiplayer games have gone this route.
Really sad. Same thing for me, I've got a lot of friends that live too far away to see in person more than a few times a year, so these games are the main way to stay in touch.
@@literallylaw yea, I hear you most of my friends live far away but don't really stay in touch for the most part. I can't bear online for the most part so the friends that do game are playing something I don't want to play lol
@@Obsession3745i know right. My friends will all be playing rainbow six siege and im just like “no thanks bro”. I’d rather just play something like nightmare reaper or elden ring while i wait for them to play something fun like deep rock or l4d2
@ImNotFine44 with age I have just become more and more recluse. I don't even want to play online for most games cause then I know I have to complete it, and most multiplayer games have awful achievements
@@Obsession3745wdym awful achievements?
Ive grown to prefer coop pve multiplayer games as of late, like Monster Hunter for example. Much more enjoyable than games where I have to fight sweats. It's too bad that games like Monster Hunter are so few and far between.
Monster Hunter World is so damn good. I put so much time into it once it came out. Totally agree with the sentiment.
Coop pve is where you'll get more welcoming and integrated communities for sure. Vermintide 2 and Deep Rock Galactic are 2 that come to mind.
Huge fan of Borderlands .
We need more PVE, non live service games! (Destiny is still my go to)
May I suggest Deep Rock Galactic? one of the most wholesome communities I've ever seen. It's probably the only co op game that I'll join some random player's lobby and give a lending hand.
I'm happy that many eSports scenes are feeling the pain. Devs are completely focusing on competitive and choking their audience out.
The thing that devs have been doing that's made this worse is trying to force E-sport scenes into existence.
Good games, like fighting games which have grown their scenes organically over literally decades, show you what it should actually look like.
But all these modern shooter devs design the game around an E-sports scene without even fucking knowing if there will be one. Thus making every single game flop on arrival.
I love CS esports, but most of these games trying so hard to emulate the success of CS is just cringe and so obviously not going to work that it's almost funny. These studios and publishers with a history of abandoning their games after a few years really expect people to dedicate the time it takes to become literally the best in the world at that game when there's such a high chance that the game becomes abandoned? CS has grown organically over more than 20 years to get to where it is now and in some ways it's because of Valve's lack of action that has allowed it to mature, only tweaking around the edges instead of fundamentally changing the game every 6 months like Overwatch kept doing. Not to mention the simple design of CS that makes it such a good game to watch is in stark contrast to the overly detailed worlds and realism that most of these games try to achieve. CS2 looks beautiful but for the most part is still clean and environments are easy on the eye.
Devs? They only build what the industry wants them to build lol
That's because those competitive devs never made their players actually engage with their game. Or give it variety for casual players which gives incentive to later try to be competitive if they want to. No, just competitive.@@literallylaw
Funny no one thinks of guild wars 2. Another game that suffered because of the devs focus on esports despite it being an mmorpg. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why the last boss in the base game was so disappointing.
Tbf guild wars 1 was a pvp focused game.
In regards to the lack of community, I fear skill based match making is going to make it worse. Every match now ends with a whole new lobby being created. I met so many people on old COD because we'd be able to see what each other was doing over many matches. It made losing not so bad since you're all learning from each other in a long lasting lobby. I can't help but feel sad at that.
Communities and connections are made before playing, not while playing anymore.
Wow, I hadn't even clocked that until you just said it!
But absolutely, after every post match of Halo younger me would sit in the lobby and just talk with the people there. That's completely gone now, games try as fast as possible to immediately throw you with the people their algorithm thinks are now the better skill match.
That is a great point as to why mp games are dying. I bet they are trying to stop us from communicating on how predatory all these developers are.
@@literallylaw That’s one thing that I feel some games do a lot better with despite not having a post-match communication section, because of how long the matches last, such as War Thunder, or because they have a way to message each other after the match, like OW2, but OW2 missing the end cards and making it much more difficult to group up at the end of a match sucks.
I love SBMM but you are correct. The same thing has happened with fighting games and MMOs. Arcades were vibrant communities that died when online matchmaking happened. MMOs became boring when you could just get matched with a squad for a raid and you didn't need a coordinated group to beat the raid.
We have to realize that things change. We need to be okay making and/or engaging communities outside of games. Either that or we have to get a lot friendlier inside them.
This Exactly! I used to love meeting new friends during matches and playing with them for hours.
The multiplayer games feeling like work sentiment is something I 100% agree with.
It's the biggest nail in the coffin for me.
Battle passes turn a game into a 2nd job sucking all the fun out of it :/
no pain no gain baby!
@@Peetskeetthat would apply to something that’s real, not a fucking video game
@@Notfakeultra Nah uh, in multiplayer games u gotta earn the fun whether thats building mechanics / gamesense etc.
Its not just handed to you, so thats why it feels like work to people. To me thats what makes it satisfying
Singleplayer gamers expect just to plop on the couch and expect fun right away 100% of the time
When people tried getting better at games in the olden days, it was just improving accuracy and learning the map. Nowadays people breakdown every game to find bugs that can be abused for an advantage instead. I still believe streaming has ruined the gaming community. Everyone used to focus on fun, but now everyone is trying to become a millionaire any means possible.
It is crazy how hard people try for clips, like there's so many now nobody even cares.
Don't mention the 'olden days' unless you remember that it all went to hell once they began adding a player ranking screen at the end. Before that it was as close to utopia as possible.
That's not true though, people have been abusing glitches in games since forever
@@Aerie1405 yeah I was thinking the same. ppl have always done their max to get an advantage
@@tpeterson9140 yeah, but that wasn't the norm. Now, it seems having a degree in every tidbit of possible advantage taking point in the game is mandatory
I feel like a hero being tied up and listening to the villains monolog before he obliterates the world with giant space laser
Good, that's how I know I left an impression. 👁️
I can imagine the hero confused as to why the villain has tied him up only to rant about video games
@ImNotFine44 and then being even more confused because he 100% agrees and is wondering why they are fighting
The toxicity of the communities killed it for me. Not going back to that. It's not good for anyone to experience this for long periods of time. Damaging to the conscious.
Legitimately probably raises so many peoples blood pressure these days.
It really ain't worth the time.
@@literallylaw after some gta online im ready to drop all nukes
Toxicity is not even allowed anymore, it's so tame these days
@ZombieVikingGaming
I wouldn't know since I quit gaming before Overwatch 2 was released in beta.
Well this problem at least has an easy solution: Turn the chats off. Trust me. Works wonders.
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Maybe I’m just getting older, but I don’t want to keep up with all of this shit anymore. I just wanna kick back and have fun with my boys online without having to deal with all the sweaty toxic pieces of shit that pervade literally EVERY multiplayer lobby ever.
I keep hearing this, but man I'm only 24 and even I feel the exact same. I don't think it's an age issue, just shit is getting less fun the more greed takes over.
You're not allowed to just want to enjoy your time playing games. You better be grinding some dumb pass and sweating for some stupid mandatory challenge telling you to use a specific gun. Cause the devs and publishers demand your soul.
Your 24??? That alone tells us the problem is beginning to span generations; when this is all
Over they’ll be talking about this in history class
This is exactly how I feel
Sorry bro I’ll just let you keep killing me.
@whitelichmage7004 why people do not understand what you said is basically MP in any game ever made?
I think the loss of the social scene is the real elephant in the room. You can talk about the mechanics and monetization practices all you want, but the real reason why I stopped having an interest in online multiplayer is simply because it wasn't fun for me anymore when the socialization aspect left. It's all because of the competitive gaming scene really, everyone trying to be some e-sports player and taking every match super seriously, which turns every game into a sweaty experience. I got into online gaming back when everyone had a mic and had wanted to just chat with random people as they played a game. Being the best was never the goal, it was simply having a good time, and the more social people were the more relaxed they usually were at playing the game. Now it's just all about trying to show off and "be the best" in every match, and that's just not fun for me, or engaging.
Yeah. It used to be you could make random friends from matches in these games. Nowadays you're lucky if you're not getting told to kys by your entire team for playing off meta.
For me the reason was party chat. Halo 2 online I made a ton of friends and was constantly meeting people. Then Halo 3 you still met a lot of people through custom games but that really changed from friends of friends because everyone is in party chat.
Halo infinite I was shocked that they turned off mic by default and never told you. It was only when I commented that no one talks that I was told to go into the settings to ENABLE chat. Even then no one talks, it's like playing with bots and is super boring
It's weird to see league now, I used to love playing it and doing crazy builds. That's not really a thing anymore, most champions are forced to build a certain way and everyone hates it if you go off meta
@@TheOrionStar swapping between party chat and game chat was usually hilarious
omfg what games did you play? saying cs 1.6, diablo, starcraft, warcraft mods, street fighter weren't toxic, full of griefing, insulting and taunting (in various languages mind you) is simply lying and romanticising a nostalgic period in your life. tetris and pong were competitive, pvp isn't the problem, its gamers buying unfair advantages and thus allowing devs to ruin games for profit
It’s not just gaming. Greed has stripped culture from humanity. We are legit living in a post-cultural age dominated by algorithms armed with mass surveillance, set on being the most efficient moneymakers possible.
See now someone in these comments is finally speaking my fucking langauge.
I agree. Culture is dead, capitalism strangled it in the crib. Personally I think without violent revolution nothing is ever going to get better.
All down from here.
@@literallylawGenuinely curious. What do you mean by capitalism? To me at least, it seems like it is the "post-modern, post-Industrialized, high technology" version of capitalism that people blame for the current state. So is it not the advancement of technology outstripping the evolutionary growth of humans as a species that has led us to this? That we're operating in a world that we aren't biologically adapted to handle? Not just simply "if I make something and you want it, you pay me"?
It's called capitalism. You should read the works of Karl Marx, Vladimir Lening, Peter Kropotkin, Mikhail Bakunin etc.
No the problem are the gamers.
What a company is abt? making money. For everything.
Who gives money? the consumers.
Now think abt every cheap p2w or just cheat-overall game like Starfield.
Why they succeded?
Better yet...
WHO gives them money?
Now think about it.
"Nowdays gaming sucks! they just make traps to get our money!"
My brother in christ, YOU'RE the one giving them money. You're the one showing them it works.
Want change? then stop buying mediocrisy. How you fall for the same trap and prove it works then blame on everybody but yourself?
@@wander7812 Exactly, and I say more:
The power is within the masses, there are many examples of COUNTRIES that were changed because people got togheter for a better cause, i'm talking about actual lifes here, not only games, but these days all I see is complaint but no action, people are either too lazy, dumb or passive to make a minimal change for the better. One example is FIFA ( recently changed to EAFC ), EA Sports is very known amongst the gaming community for their micro-transaction hell inside their games and very manipulative mechanics so then you live through their micro-transaction based games, people ALWAYS complain that their games are the same as the year before and that it is extremely inducing for kids to spend money in the game but why would they change? they are breaking profit records year after year.
The masses hold the power but don't use it, they hold 99,9% of the worlds power but still dont control shit. Worst thing is that companies don't even have to worry about anything happening, people don't even try to make a change, and even if they do, all the companies need to do is give some AI generated apology and a few crumbs of what they wanted ( and there are some who are so used to be treated like trash that when companies give them their crumbs they feel like they are god and proced to defend any minimal change ).
We can turn the world upside-down, but many are too occupied complaining with no action or afraid to get out their comfort zone and make some actual change in real life instead of their favorite rpg game.
Recently, I’ve felt that other gamers are effectively bots. No mics, no group cohesion, 50% chance of afk/leave. And the ones that do mic up, shouldn’t.
Precisely, you don't even get the social part out of multiplayer anymore. It feels like playing alone while somehow surrounded by "people".
I miss early Xbox live days. I made so many friends, and all were random people from matches or post game lobbies.
@@literallylaw Soooo true. Felt this to my core. We are more connected than ever before, but also somehow more alone.
@@literallylaw We're in the middle of a culture crisis and mental health crisis.. So its not surprising.
@@xxraptorsc0pezxxehh don’t play to hang out with randoms
If I want to chill and play a game, why would I open my mic to just have useless conversation with people who are not my friends and wgo I dont even know.
Nope, relaxing is to just play and think nothing
I also think the gaming community itself has aged up on average. I mean there is probably more kids playing games now than 10 years ago, but a higher percent of the active audience are adults. I believe this creates the generally more toxic culture in in-game lobbies. I don’t mean the mindless bs’ing of each other. I mean when people make shit personal, start to persist the issue outside of in-game, and in general just like rubbing their ego’s out on other humans.
You might be right. Most people who seem utterly unhinged these days are grown ass adults who somehow act worse than children ever did when I was a child.
i wish we could all just be kids forever
Look st GTA V, full of egomaniacs who spend their doll money on shitty booters to kick you offline because you hurt their feelings by killing them more than you killed them.
You're not the only one feeling this way...doing all of these battle passes and all while working a full time job can be mentally exhausting, I recently started to feel that way about CoD/DMZ. Great video!
Yeah, they're so obviously designed to waste time and leave none for other games or places you might spend money.
Is started grinding DMZ but stopped after the first reset. It were the same old boring quests all over again. Who tf enjoys exfilling 50 toothpastes? And without the quests - DMZ is boring af. And after a few weeks DMZ is just sweaty Warzone. Everyone rushing the spawns. It had great potential. But it lost me a while ago.
This video explains literally all my frustrations with multiplayer gaming now! I want to believe that things will be salvaged and get better, but honestly I know that’s just a pipe dream. RIP 🪦 multiplayer shooters, you’re dearly missed! 😢
Me too bro, all I want is for things to get better again, I miss the days where we could all have fun.
Even offline - sitting right next to you multiplayer is utter crap. Getting clowned on because of them both other opponents working together, always making me be the first to lose, then they say something along the lines of: "that's just by accident", or , " that's just how it is" or simply telling me to get gud when I'm not even allowed to improve cause they both team my @$$, leaving me to feel frustrated afterwards. And that's smash ultimate in a nutshell
@@WTFAREUDOIN420 Play against people who are around your skill level. 👌🏾
@@SUDAGANGTV those are the only people that have copies of the game (or even bring their switch) in my area, nor do I have nintendo online
I remember when voice chat felt like a novelty, it was crazy to be able to talk to people in any multiplayer game but now it's irrelevant to most people. The advent of party chat was awesome, but I realized how people and myself included, eventually just formed small social groups and never went to public chat again. Being in public chat made you interact with people, even if you didn't really want to sometimes.
It's interesting isn't it? The more technology advances the more it atomises us from our communities and from interaction with others.
I always bring this same topic up when I talk about “Xbox live back in the day.”
I remember back in Gears 1 where all the dead players were in their own chat lobby. You literally could have up to the rest of the round to talk to the other team. You couldn’t escape it because party chat wasn’t implemented yet.
So much shit talking during that time in ranked and if someone was popping off in casuals you’d be talking about the crazy shit going down with the other team.
@MamoMark The first things I do now when getting a new game is to turn off voice chat, hide text chat boxes, and turn off player usernames
Wish they had forced game chat still
Idk even tho im always in a party and i switxh to vc i still hear ppl talking normally and talking shit in my snd lobbies
The TH-cam recommendation gods have played their role, and honestly I am baffled that this is the first video on your channel, or it seems like it at least.
You managed to exactly quantify why I am struggling with multiplayer games these days, especially shooters.
Please keep making videos, Id love to see more content, also your voice is very soothing nearly fell asleep and I mean it in a good way.
I'm glad you stumbled upon my humble beginnings, make no mistake I plan to make many more videos to come.
I feel like a lot of people I know share this feeling nowadays, this area of gaming has just completely lost its charm.
Also, good to hear someone likes my voice, when you spend hours upon hours editing and hearing yourself over and over again, you do not feel that way about yourself. 😆
@@literallylaw Also, I almost forgot. Rock and Stone miner!
@@hedge0 Rock and stone!
@@daegnaxqelil2733 I hate TH-camrs who shitpost negative content. This was a very well thought out opinion, with good arguments and wasn't overall negative. Just a thought on why they don't enjoy a certain type of game anymore. He didn't say all games are trash, furthermore even examples of good new games were provided.
@@daegnaxqelil2733 If you don't like it, you can piss off. As stated in the video, my channel my thoughts, I post whatever I please. Bye bye :)
If you want more of this kind of thing, share it. I refuse to have any socials cause I'm a massive hipster, so I can't self promote :)
🤓TH-cam is social media though
@@ExplodingImplosion I don't know man, makes me a ton less miserable than conventional social media ever has. That alone should be enough to differentiate it 😜
love to see some love for titanfall 2 :)
@@technicalbacon one of the greatest first person shooters of our age.
It got done dirty by the timing EA decided to release it.
yeah it's the same for me, been playing league of legends for a long time, about 10 years but finally dropped it when the last fun gamemode (aram) got infested with dumbasses, or like.... more than normally
hey also what song is this? at about 25:00
I was in middle school when MW2 came out. Me and my friends had recently gotten Xbox 360’s with Xbox Live, and it just generally sparked a “craving” in us to play things online together. It didn’t matter what it was. Online multiplayer was just a whole new world. We would go back to old COD games for the novelty, or we’d play GTA4 online and just drive around running people over. I’ve noticed those same friends don’t have the same taste for that novelty anymore; in the same way they liked to play sports in middle school, they now want to play the latest competitive game to “prove something.” Playing anything that isn’t part of the current competitive landscape feels like a waste of time to them, since there’s no personal clout to be gained from having fun in an old game. It’s sad.
Clout is the worst thing to happen to games. Literally nothing more meaningless in the world than clout you get being good at games. All I ever say to those people is "touch grass".
Honestly you hit the nail right on the head when it comes to battle passes. I hate them because I don't have time to get on and grind. I have to balance work, social life, and other responsibilities. Not only that but when I play games in general nowadays I just feel like I could be doing other things at that moment. They say time you enjoy wasting isnt time wasted. But if I'm not enjoying my time playing video games, then I'm wasting my time.
100%. These systems are designed for no lifers and whales. The common person is factored in as, well if they care enough they'll become a whale and pay to skip the season pass and buy everything outright.
@@literallylaw Exactly dude, Fomo is powerful. Either you sit there all day and grind for the new "content" or you just throw more money at these companies.
Can I ask why game developers have gone and destroyed post game lobbies or lobbies in general? Some of my best memories in multiplayer games were the friendly or shit show conversations that happened in post game lobbies. I've moved more into playing single player games than multiplayer. I do enjoy playing with my friends but the huge changes in multiplayer games have just changed my taste in games. Though there are still a few Co-op games I love playing with them like Payday 2, L4D2, the zombie Sniper Elite games, and some others.
It is a massive shame isn't it? Without Halo 3 post match lobbies I likely wouldn't have made some of my best online friends.
It feels like just another part of this forced movement from publishers and devs away from social party games and towards the matchmade skill based formula.
They NEED to break up lobbies because the system post every match decides that everyone in that team usually is of a different skill level and should no longer play together.
Because you're not allowed any opportunity to say something mean to someone. It's a consequence of women taking over the industry.
as i'm falling out of love with overwatch, this hits 😢
Trust me, I'm in the same spot. I wish I could still enjoy it the way I did back during the Beta and early days.
i miss overwatch 1 : - ;
@@literallylaw I wish for this, too. Beta was promising.
Overwatch 1 was the last bastion of a different time in multiplayer gaming. OW2 just isn’t the same and after 1000 hours I’m on the verge of quitting it too. Can’t tolerate more than 2 matches before logging off.
Tbh in 2020 during the pandemic i used to watch a lot of videos talking about the meta and trying to rank up by any means necessery but when i actually ranked up i started caring less about the meta and trying other heroes that some could call useless and hating what i used to be in a matter of 1 year
In your video i could easily relate to a lot of points he was using ow as an example
from about 2010-2021, about 85% of all of my gaming sessions were some sort of multiplayer FPS game with my friends, and towards those latter years i genuinely hated being online and always questioned why i was even playing video games. towards the end of 2021, i got a PS5 with Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and got the platinum trophy on it eventually one random day last year and that platinum popup made me go “maybe i should get more of these”. so now as of writing this, i have 41 platinum trophies with 40 of them being earned this year and i plan on getting plenty more
Literally how i started out in 2011 always played multiplayer games with friends and now in 2020 for me I definitely moved away from caring about multiplayer games.
you literally laid out every reason i absolutely hate modern day multiplayer.
Really glad to see just how many people feel the same way I do nowadays.
Damn I just played this video in the background and it ended up being a really enjoyable watch. It felt real like someone out there just voicing all these emotions I’ve felt about these games but couldn’t find the words for. Good work man keep it up 👏
Thank you! Hope to make many more to come :)
Man, this hit me hard. I have been a sucker for destiny 2 for a long time. Almost 500 dollars later and I have nothing to show for it. I stopped when the witch queen dlc released. I then recently picked up the dark souls series and man it changed my whole outlook on gaming. I now play games like terraria with a friend, binding of Isaac, and more Indies. This video is amazing dawg, your voice and the attitude really made this watch special one of a kind. This channel will 100% blow up.
Bro, 100 feel you with Destiny. I wish I hadn't wasted so much time and cash on it in hindsight.
I've always loved single-player, but with the state of pvp games lately I find myself going hard-core back to only really playing them.
Binding of Isaac is also one of my fav indies, I even used an ost from it in the vid :)
I also got stuck in a never ending 5-minute rinse and repeat online competitive hell hole. Decided to give Elden Ring a try and it was so refreshing. A game with story, at your own pace, optional co-op/pvp, and had an actual ending that left me feeling fulfilled. 5-minute matches may seem short, but they’re designed to trap you in the game. I thought 5-minute matches were perfect for a busy schedule, but i was fooling myself
@@Cbb3225I’m not sure if I have an issue but I really didn’t like elden ring
@@Auuuughhhhh play bloodborne
this video is exactly how I feel about multiplayer games. I'm tired of forced teamwork and esports mentality for every game, not everyone has a team of friends dedicated to the game as you are, and sometimes you yourself aren't that invested. When every game makes you feel that you have to do your best or you won't enjoy it, it gets tiring and makes you not want to play anymore. It's also sad that almost every game company only focuses on how to make more money, instead of how to make a fun engaging game. This is why I think singleplayer games feel better, and not just a different form of a game.
Agreed.
I’ve never agreed more with a video than this one. Multiplayer games used to occupy every moment of my gaming time. But over the last 3 years I’ve gone back to playing mostly single player games and only occasionally playing multiplayer. Gotta say, you nailed it on the head with this one. Easiest sub of my life! Can’t wait to see your co-op video!
Thanks so much!
The co-op video will materialise don't you worry, but today I'm going to be uploading something of a passion project that I've been working on for quite a bit.
So look forward to that! :)
Being a gamer and only playing multiplayer is like robbing yourself. Isn't it so much better? I am the same way. Used to play apex all day every day for a year straight until I played the entire Uncharted Series, the entire Metro series, the entire Shadow Warrior series, the entire God of War series, Prey, Dead Space Remake, and Need for speed Unbound in just 2 years.
Update: DRG loot pool was kinda getting bloated from all the added loot, so now there going to add a system to let you regrind previous performance passes
I frincking love it, especially since i'm still grinding upgrades so i don't have any resources to spare on cosmetics. I have nothing but good wishes for ghost ship games
this completely explains why I've become such a single player gamer lately and why gaming has become such a lonelier experience over time
Fr I used to play with my friends all the time and now they're barely online and when they're all online we barely have fun because all these little rats ruin the fun
I'm no psychology expert or anything, but I think there are multiple reasons for people being more toxic, for one, I think older generations raised us to well behave and be nice to people, one glance at what the youth nowadays are and you would know what I mean, for example, if you behave quite well and get good grades, your parents will reward you with that one game you always wanted, nowadays most people buy multiple games to not deal with their kids, another thing if you behave badly or swear or anything you would actually be punished and not be able to play for a while, which sucked so you would try to avoid it, also you would have a limited time to play per day or even per week, because your parents cared about you and your wellbeing.
You could argue also that the stress we get from work is usually translated to anger in video games, you really don't want to see a cheater or a troll after your 9 hour job.
One last reason because I feel this is important, you have to keep up with gaming or your knowledge will become obsolete, and here is the real reason, people aren't welcoming and forgiving as before, you are crap at this new video game you just played? "you are literally dogwater" instead of the things I used to hear like "oh you will get better with time" or I even used to hear stuff like "you are good for someone who just joined the game" even though I was utter trash.
Side note: streamers cursing and shouting and promoting, intentionally or not, toxic behaviour do contribute to this as well, take old tyler1 for example.
Good read, interesting thoughts.
I think it’s just that gaming has become more mainstream and a lot of people are bad, punishment still exists for kids, most of the time kids aren’t the ones trash talking. Of course there’s those few kids who suck, but that’s not the majority of trash talkers
Last night I played some overwatch to try to relax just to be told to kill myself 4 times in the first 20 minutes. Just makes me feel like ive outgrown multiplayer games.
@@mileskile9520kids will become trash takers too eventually when they constantly hear grown ass men trash talking to them and to each others In multiplaying games.
Kids start to think this is normal adult's behavior.
I really wish parents would not just put headphones on child's ears to avoid disturbing themselves with gaming noises but would actually stop to listen whats been communicated In online games or in internet over all. Im pretty sure most parents would be shocked and not let the kids join those game session anymore.
Especially young girls has to listen some un imaginable humiliation and trash talk In online gaming communities always. As an adult female gamer I stopped using voice chat long ago even if I could not really care about some small soul's trash talk, I take nothing personally and only feel sorry for them But when Im gaming I want to enjoy my time not listen some idiots who has failed In their personal lives and are now putting their frustration and toxicism on others.
Dude that is exactly right it makes so much sense
I can’t begin to say how much you hit the nail right on the head with this video. I miss the old days and I’m finding it hard to teach my son that games should be fun and meta/winning, etc isn’t all that matters, but in todays world and the popular streamers, TH-camrs and esports culture are pushing kids towards these negative outlooks on gaming. I remember being a kid and having a counter strike clan and all kinds of online friends, events and just generally a much different environment than todays toxic discord and other lobbies. Then you’ll sometimes get an even worse solution as the devs try to fix the issue and end up with no voice chat, etc or an extremely controlled and limited social environment… I also noticed the days of couch co-op are dead. It’s so frustrating trying to find games my son and I can sit on the couch and play together. The closet you can seem to get is buying 2 entire setups with copies of each ga,e and any dlc they might have, etc and for many peoples that’s just not an option.
The couch co-op thing hits so hard. I loved playing stuff whenever my friends would come over and we'd drink, chill out on the couch and just go through the Halo campaigns or anything with split screen.
And now there's literally nothing for us to play except sports games or fighting games.
Couldn't agree more with literally everything you said. It all ended for me with the release of overwatch 2, when they announced it was going f2p I was like "please no... not again". I launched the game, and there it was, once again, fucking season pass, fucking rotating shop, fucking paying for everything. I played for a few good hours still with friends, but after a while, after a while of playing the game and not getting anything out of it, like I used to in OW 1, I was like "i'm done, i'm tired, I don't want this anymore" and unninstaled the game for good, and I don't plan on playing it ever again, overwatch used to be one of my favourite games and I have some of my best memories with it, but it died, I accept that, I don't want to play this scuffed version of overwatch, it's dead to me, so i'll move on.
I now refuse to play any online f2p game, cause I know what im getting into, in every single fucking one. So I went back to playing roguelikes and singleplayer, but then... then I found it, I found Deep Rock Galactic, the one game that says "modern gaming can still be enjoyable" as long as developers do one simple thing, ACTUALLY CARING, and not being complete greedy bastards. Yes man I get it you've gotta make your money, but this is too much for me i'm sorry. Deep Rock is the absolute saint of gaming right now and deserves all the attention it's getting.
Anyways, I look forward to future videos from you, +1 sub.
A beautifully written rage filled sentiment I can completely get behind by someone who's user is "Honkers". See, getting to see people express themselves LIKE THIS on the subject is the whole reason I made this channel.
Hope my future videos manage to entertain to the same degree and hope to see you out there mining some of that rock and stone fellow miner ;]
ROCK AND STONE!
I'm starting to give up on overwatch 2, I genuinely think I'm going to delete it within the week because it's obvious that the developers are incompetent and greedy. I'm sick of games where the developers constantly avoid doing the work they need to do to make the game actually fun.
FOR KAAAAAARL!
COD has a F2P system that costs $70 to buy into. It's absolutely horrendous.
The vast majority of my time used to be spent playing multiplayer games almost exclusively, now I don't even THINK about touching any of the multiplayer games I have (unless it's co-op), and I CERTAINLY don't entertain the idea of actually paying even a penny for a new multiplayer game, if it's multiplayer and came out in the last 5 years, you can be 100% certain it is, at best, mediocre, but more than likely completely unplayable/mind numbingly boring garbage that's more concerned about pan handling on the main menu than making sure you have fun in the actual game.
Completely with you on that entire journey.
PVE games have just become more fun for me aside from a select few PVP, as not only can I feel like I can branch out with different playstyles and gear without getting stomped into the ground, but it’s nice when you can actually play with other people without so much animosity between people just because they are ticking each other off from different methods of doing things. Plus it’s nice when someone is the last one in something like a wave based survival and everyone is cheering the dude on to keep surviving.
Cooperation is the way.
avoid top raid content. its just if not more toxic (unless its with people you know)
Can you tell me a game like that?
@@noureldin6388the only one I could think of is Destiny raid groups but so far pve games are actually very chill for the most part
@@noureldin6388Warframe its another good recomendation, everything is usefull in most of the cases and you can always found a good or a funny build, even one of the starter character is the best for one of the endgame content.
In resume, the power fantasy, the good gameplay and the comunity (propably you can ask help and someone will be very grateful to help you) keep the game alive.
I smell this channel is gonna grow larger, this content is so fucking good bro you deserve the blow up
Thanks man, I'm trying my hardest to keep putting together quality videos in the free time I can find. So fingers crossed for the future :)
I largely stopped playing competitive games many years ago. All the games I play now are cooperative, or have the ability to completely avoid PvP.
I'm reminded why I stopped playing competitive games every time I hop into a chat with the boys and hear them complaining about Apex / Overwatch. Talking trash about teammates, saying the game sucks or the devs suck, enemy has no skill or isn't playing honorably... all the classic lines. Those, and the two of them yelling at each other.
Maybe that's how they bond now, lol, but that ain't for me. Plus, the only competitive game I truly enjoyed was Halo 3. Man. Those were the days.
The sense of community I used to have while playing that game... the levity... i miss it. That and long Forge mode sessions, sometimes even with friends.
Halo 3 was the peak of my PvP experience as well. Never have I made more friends and had more fun than those golden years.
thats becouse everyone now a days blames EVERYTHING but them self for losing. its gotten to the point where its totaly normal to blame your own team for losing and flaiming in the chat. Which is so sad if you think about it, players turning on there OWN TEAM is TOTALY NORMAL in gaming.... like wtf. if you didnt play like a god/Perfekt than focus on yourself and getting better before you blame YOUR TEAM.
@@freakdavid4085 Exactly. Honestly, the mentality of deflecting blame is a problem in a lot of other areas of life, too. I'm guilty of it as well, gamer rage and all, and I've been trying to get that stuff out of me. It's so childish and embarrassing ...
@@knellhurst Im gone make a Video about this (on my main channel this is my privat acc) where i talk about the gamer copingmechanism but its gone be in german :D
I'm so glad this obsession with multiplayer gaming has cooled off some. It's not like it was 10 years ago when developers were scared that any game released without multiplayer support would sell poorly. Now we're to the point where most games are either single player or multiplayer; not much mixing of the two anymore.
16:50 i think the problem is people are stressed from FOMO. I find myself getting angrier than normal when someone kills me as im just trying to do challenges. It tilts me so hard i end up quitting soon after, but i imagine someone a bit more hard headed would blame everyone else and project that anger onto them.
Yeah, FOMO absolutely enables this mind set.
I'm fully guilty of the fear of missing out and grinding in a game to complete a pass. I understand your point and yes it is scummy that games implement this.
They play on all the things in our psychology that makes us tick.
Dude you hit the nail on the head! When I was younger I loved playing online, now it's mostly monster hunter and other coop games for me. It's good to know that others share the same sentiments I do about multiplyer games!
I'm likely going to feature some MHW footage in the co-op video actually. Great series :)
I've been watching a lot of "what went wrong" videos and in every single one of them the answer is always money. From fashion, to architecture, to transportation, to gaming and so on. And I still see people refusing to believe there is any connection between this system to the lack of inovation and creativity. Corporate greed is the biggest enemy we have to face when seeking joy in life, and that saddens me deeply.
I feel more and more people are starting to grasp that capitalism in its current form is the greatest enemy of joy and creativity that exists.
It just takes time unfortunately. A lot of time.
Like sony putting up psn plus by %40. I've gone single player
To add complex layer i would say its short term greed specifically, its the Q1-Q4 format and "career" way of capitalism that ruins a lot, a lot of the finance people switching jobs like crazy and wants to have on their resume % results knowing that the havoc they make getting their results will be blamed on someone else after they switched jobs
This. I didn’t even know what I’ve been missing in multiplayer games, but it’s this. When I first got my PS3, it opened me to the world of online gaming. Eventually I moved into PS4. Gran Turismo 5&6, dirt rally, F1, Black ops 3, Battlfield 4 & 1. All had unlockables you just had to progress through the game to get. You *could* buy every car in GT6, but it just took some time. If you played enough with friends, you eventually get any car you want. We had a core group of like 30 people, with others hopping on occasionally. One night we had an entire team on the Battlefield 1 conquest lobby (32 people).
Now look at GT7. I’ve stopped gaming. I don’t have time for the season passes grinds. I’d rather spend my time and money on real life. You can not possibly buy every car in GT7 before they turn off servers without micro-transactions.
Yep, what was it something ridiculous like a decade to unlock every car without MTX in GT7?
@@literallylaw it's possible, nearly there myself hahah. But yeah it aint for everyone, takes way too long
You hit the nail on the head with this one. Been saying for a minute that the introduction of battle passes has been one of the worst things to happen in gaming
Really has.
The worst part about the battle passes too is that most of them just contain filler junk to collect, I cant remember the last time I actually wanted to grind a battlepass
Thank you for mentioning SBMM. It's by far the biggest reason why I don't enjoy multiplier games anymore. Being punished for doing good just because the devs want everyone to have a 50% winrate is an absolutely asinine idea. Especially in casual gamemodes, where you're supposed to kick back and relax. Unfortunately, I don't see SBMM going away any time soon, since it has proven to do exactly what it was designed to do: improve the player retention and make the devs more money
Yep, a total joke. And I agree, it probably won't be going anywhere, which is why I just won't bother with PvP in general anymore.
It's basically what happens with anything chicks start to participate in.
The dudes get chains tied to their ankles.
As soon as you see chicks start to participate in something, just move on; only frustration follows.
A lesson we all have to learn the hard way.
@@LavishPatchKidWow thats extremely sexist, and chicks is an extremely incel word to use.
Games have sbmm because people used to complain that pub stompers ruined their games, so now they won't ever see them. I hate sbmm but it is a product of people complaining and then it working when implemented.
@@SirKittersII "chicks is an extremely incel word to use"
'Chicks' has been used for decades.
'Incel' is a couple of years old, and none of you even use it right. lol
I swear, this society is so dumb.
@LavishPatchKid either way your comment makes little sense considering that most of pvp player base is male and that's especially true when you get to the e sport level. Never seen an women compete at that level.
I think skill algorithms have made games far more competitive. Before these algorithms, you'd play and sometimes you'd get stomped by players much better than you. Sometimes you you'd do the stomping. The gamble was part of the fun. Now you're always on the knifes edge where you have to be super focused and play meta or lose every time.
This is honestly one of the best videos I've seen on the state of modern multiplayer games. I really miss that earlier era of "Couch Multiplayer" I grew up on and it sucks some players might never experience something like that
I'm glad you resonated with it :)
I do agree that it's tragic most people will never know what couch Multiplayer was like, ten times more fun than this toxic hellscape online.
If you liked this vid, you might like my one on franchises too
I do find it incredible how anyone can be excited for a battlepass when every single person who completes it will have all of the same cosmetics
Right? Everyone every single one of those seasons always looks the fucking same. Because they all want the new thing they just unlocked.
@@literallylaw Exactly, and not to mention how everyone who completes it is going to have all of the same cosmetics
Absolutely spot on assessment.
We saw within a few decades, the innocent and genuine joy of gaming;
Transform into yet another "industry".
They took the golden goose and strapped it to an auto-egg-extractor.
The constant online, time sapping, loot box, daily log in rewards, grind, rinse and repeat tactics of multiplayer games are what makes me keep my PS2 collection.
But take heart;
When you get up and walk away from the constant muse of multiplayer games,
go invest yourself in bettering a skill or studying something deeply.
Doing things for others, living a fulfilling life and loving others better, and you will soon realize that the muse of multiplayer games goes quite silent and you realize how tiny and insignificant it is compared to real living.
Oh don't worry, I'm bettering a skill right now, first by making this video to shit on current MP games.
Taught myself editing from scratch for this project :)
I couldn’t agree more with what you are saying. I’v been playing competitive online games for more than a decade and the experience is just getting worse and worse. Those games are toxic on so many levels and you almost end up forgetting that you can have fun in those games. Lately I’v been playing solo adventure games or silly co-op games with my friends and it is 10 times more enjoyable.
Bro, one hundred percent where I'm at RN
I have experienced the same as I grew up with the early beginnings of the internet and I played my first online RPG game (Ultima Online) in about 1998. Of course I played CS (not the GO one), UT, UT2003, Battlefield 1942, etc. In the beginning you had trolls too, but in general the people were OK and nice to each other. Today I don't even have to play 5 minutes in BF V to see the first insult in the chat.
In my opinion it is not only the thing that everyone wants to be an e-sport gamer, but its the frustration the games generate today! You know everyone wants to get the little extras from the battlepass as fast as possible, so in fact everyone is anoyed and even pissed to grind it. So you login and try to fulfill the next step of your pass, whatever, and you get shot down every time because you must fulfill this f****** assignment where you have to knife or kill somebody with a flamer on a map made intentionally for snipers!
It don't even make you angry about the players from the other team but even teammates! Finally you get into melee range to some opponent and you are ready to knife him / roast him and then your teammate just shot him with his shotgun!!!! Because he has already the next assignment to grind which states "use your shotgun"!!!!!
It is sooooooo anoying to play those games I loved in the past today! It would really be funny to play those games today too, if all this season pass, lootbox, whatever mechanics would not exist. Then you just would play the game because its fun and not for some stupid grind and many of the players would play their roles on the battlefield as it is intended from the gameplay mechanics.
Honestly, agree with this so much. That's a big issue now, it's that players are even incentivised to play more toxic and less for fun by the very way assignments and crap like that are designed.
Same as you, started with Q2 and original CS 1.0, then UT, UT2003. I liked it mostly not online but in LAN in game rooms ( dont know exact word in english, basicly place with 8-10 computers connected in lan, you pay by hour and you play either single player or you can play with others in lan). There was always fun and banter but it never went to toxic cause if you were asshole to someone three seats down, well, it could turn ugly fast. We also played lots of original Starcraft, Warcraft 2 and best multyplayer game ever, Heroes 3. Online world in 56k modem era was fun, most players didn't have microphone so it was less of toxic shit talk. Later, i played Combat Arms for few years and that game was reasonably good, you could be competitive without spending money, but you could spend money and buy some op gear that made up for lack of skill. I want even mention WoW, that game was kinda fun and good if you had good guild, but pvp was not that fun. These days, as someone in mid 30s, i dont have time to "git gud" and i don't want shell out real money on ingame shit. So i play mostly story driven games , RPGs mostly. FPS, as much as i love them, especially online multiplayer ones, are not for me. It's either invest bunch of money or bunch of time or both. I miss old games like Q3 arena, with simple mechanics, fast paced action, no special skills items or unlocks. Learn weapons, learn map and shoot at each other.
I blame the sweaty TH-camrs, they made a whole new generation of arrogant players
Some indie games have been using free “season passes” Deep rock galactic is a good example. There’s some hope in indie titles. Battle bit also has a free progression system. I really hope games like these don’t die out completely. They’re getting more and more rare these days.
The last multiplayer game I tried to get into was Halo Infinite and I realized that what killed Halos spirit was the heavy monetization. The older games like 3 and Reach had you earn the cool sets of armor while this game has everything monetized and locked behind paywalls. Many games have followed this trend and this is a major factor in what has killed multiplayer games for me.
So much yes.
i REAAAALLLYYYY felt you with that "balance characters" part. i LOVED playing azir in LOL since his realease, hell even all my nicks in video games are "shurimain" because of shurima. it had all i wanted from a champion, range, mobility and a REALLLT high skillcap that i really inverted a LOT of time in, and 2 months later when i was just getting the grasp of what i can do whith the champ, they neerfed it by removing half of his kit because in pro play, he can do more damage than any other champion IF everyone focus on protecting him . . . . yeah . . . soooo . . . because of pro play i cent really have fun with the shit i like to play anymore
Literally. When the 1% of pro players cry about shit, it doesn't matter how much less fun the change will be for the 99% of the actual player base.
I feel like what you said about every game wanting an e-sports scene rings very true. People seem to be more focused on competition than actually enjoying the game. I also feel that people nowadays are a lot more aware of their online anonymity and abuse that fact by being horrible to others in game. I can image that when voicechat first became a thing lots of people were a lot more carefull (totally speculating that btw)
And does anyone know the song that plays at the end of the video? I feel like I know it, but I can't put my finger on it
If you mean the credits song it's Respite from the Binding of Isaac soundtrack. If the previous one, then it's Falling Into Dream from Far Cry 3.
Don't quote me on this it has been a while since I edited this 😂
My worst problem when i played online fps games was playing against team of friends, players who playing all the time together. I was always asking myself: why i should play with random people against people who spend all games together as real team. Its hard to connect with randoms while other team always know how to work together. Thats a mess
Yeah, lots of team games have this issue of matching you against obvious premade teams. It really sucks when you're getting stomped as a group of randoms and literally have no way to match a coordinated group of friends.
Which is why these games need to implement a "Lone wolf" mode for those of us that want only to play against other lone players
That bit near the end was super relatable, sbmm in casual modes and the inability to pick up teammates slack in new games really killed modern multiplayer for me. I find myself only really playing older games or solo-multiplayer stuff. But it sucks because, I miss playing stuff like CoD, even the new Halo, but everytime I load one up, if i'm not trying my hardest and running meta, in casual, we get rolled, and that's not fun for anyone, not even the winning team. All because the system is expecting it of me.
It's horrible isn't it? I just want to not sweat and have a night of Halo with the boys. 😭
I remember a time in games when you saw someone with fancy skins/clothes/guns it meant they were a BEAST and would usually shit on you.
Now it means, Lil Timmy got moms debit card again.
The point I relate to the most has to be toxic chat segment, on CoD MW3 I filled my friends list on Xbox with randoms I enjoyed playing with.
I play the new MW2 and get called every slur in the book.
I know there are people who go "the good ol days" but when it bleeds into people just screaming at any noise in the lobby, it becomes less of the good ol days and just another reason to have everyone muted,
Honestly, it never felt like bad toxic in the old day lobbies. It was usually a bunch of kids screaming about each others mums.
Nowadays you've got just scum, like death threats, slurs on top of slurs. It's pathetic. I miss being able to make actual friends with randoms.
Voice chat was the best part, all these games are trying to take away game chat. People just can’t handle being called words over a video game, it’s sad. Games will never be how they were
@@chigwom7894 "People just can’t handle being called words over a video game" Grow up.
@@DiabolicalYounglingslayer okay buddy 💀??
On the subject of meta, I’ve found that good roguelites constantly shatter conceptions of “good” meta. Like yeah, there may be a core set of consistently effective strategies, but sometimes, sheer rng will force you into unique (and often incredibly fun) synergistic spaces.
Love rogue likes. Risk of Rain 2 and Binding of Isaac might be two of my fav games ever.
@@literallylaw I’m a sucker for card games, so slay the spire and monster train are my current obsessions
Loved your story telling and the delivery! This really summed up a lot of what I've been feeling with multiplayer games and I've since been exploring a bunch of single player titles like before.. Gonna go watch the rest of your videos now :)
Awww, thank you, I really do appreciate it, hope the other videos also manage to entertain :)
I’ve realized that i haven’t played fps multiplayer, battle royal, or free to play game in a long while. I’ve been playing games with my friends where we can just chill like pve, story game, puzzle games, games that don’t require you to spend a dime in order to a cool cosmetic. Me and my friend do play the occasional campaign from a fps cause that’s the only fun part of them. We literally beat halo 1 on legendary for FUN.
Co-op campaigns are so good. So lame there aren't that many, when MCC came to PC, me and a friend who had loved Halo CE as kids decided to even do the LASO run of it.
That was hard. But still more fun than most multiplayer matches I have.
you should try titanfall 2, oldish game that got abandoned by respawn, but honestly the best fps, period, and it’s still got an active community and multiplayer (that’s actually fun). it doesn’t have a battle pass or any FOMO, 85% all of the cosmetics are unlockable with gameplay, and the ones that aren’t are of equal quality of the ones that are, plus are pretty damn cheap (5$ max for the most expensive thing that’s not a pack if I can remember right), the gameplay is top tier, just look up any video of it, and the multiplayer is pretty fun cause it’s got no skill based matchmaking, and if pvp isn’t your thing it has a group pve mode with up to 4 people called frontier defense, and to top it off it’s got vc, which is nice but I’m pretty sure you can only hear it if you’ve got a mic, which is sad. campaign is short and sweet, but amazing at the same time, and as a quick warning the game has a history of getting ddossed cause some guy got upset he wasn’t being hired at respawn so he’s crashed apex and titanfall repeatedly over and over in the past few years, but that hasn’t happened in a bit so it should be good. no crossplay though, but still the best fps out there
@@ihaveajojoaddiction9592 I actually have that game but it’s hard getting into lobbies. I played it a lot before the DDOS attacks, but I still found the game really enjoyable and the gameplay is legendary
Damn bro top tier quality video my g
You where able to describe the feelings I had towards mp games that I couldn't understand why my enjoyment was slowly receding. Picked up the re2 remake Wich I would have never done before and I enjoyed the heck out of it. Developers putting real work into something, hiding easter eggs and surprising the player when least expected.
Love to hear it bro. Hope you have many more good SP experiences to come.
You touched on the overall quality and your personal experience as a decent/above average player in different shooters and hero shooters, and it was so spot on! I wanted to explore the idea you put out there about simply being more access to computers/internet and gaming nowadays:
I think that having a torrent of below average IQ, or even just average IQ people added to the match-making formula over the last decade, coupled with the incessant and constant patch cycles, means that these players will be the last to adapt (if they could even do it). Making your ranked games a true gacha experience almost completely outside of your control.
And there is a big stinky cherry on top of it, if that wasn't bad enough...
You can't carry alone anymore (my perspective is of League of Legends & Overwatch) where the games are OVERLY designed to be played as a 5 stack with VC on.
So even the better solo player is afraid of the meat grinder that is the purposely horrid match-making coupled with FOMO and de-ranking, constant patch cycles means that even Champions or Heroes become part of a TIMER, as you don't know what's going to be strong or weak or even for how long.
And the best part is, they can excuse the killing of your favorite character with: ''It's too strong in the hands of the 0,01% of players at the tippity top!''
However, even more comical and the one that enrages me the most is: ''we are culling this champ in lieu of it being strong in the ESPORT SCENE or just because it was BORING to watch.
And so, 10 million people get shat on publicly without any type of recourse, so just around 100 underdeveloped man-children playing the game all day every day with voice comms and 0 ping in LAN, get a better experience, BRAVO!
All of this makes online multiplayer games extremely stale and just taxing to play. Everyone just sheepishly follows what streamers or ''pros'' do, so if you find a cool strat or a way to use an item, etc. And THAT strat gets out to the ''influencers'' of the game? You are shit out of luck, it's going to go 6 feet under, or simply reworked to be reintroduced into this pure and sterile environment that is 'X' competitive game. Where the Devs treat their Product like the Soviets treated Russian territory. (Funny thing is... If you go to twitter, you can see most Devs of LoL and Apex Legends are borderline communists or full blown.)
I agree with pretty much all of the above. (btw, I'm also a Commie so 👀)
@@literallylaw I added the commie thing as a metaphor for the "totalitarian" managing of a live service game, I'm a fan of a more organic development of metas and so on. 😁
@@nosferiazafora See, I appreciate you clarifying lol, I really don't like to or want to make this channel about politics.
But I agree, organic metas are the best, yet at this point in 90% they barely even exist. They're literally as you suggest forced by the devs whims and balancing.
@@literallylaw I wholeheartedly agree on your position, so I won't slip it in again.
great video, sadly a lot of the gaming industry has lost touch with their original fanbase, AAA gaming will just be a cash grab going forward and gen Z and beyond will never know what true great gaming was like where we never had to pull out our wallets to unlock something.
I miss not having to be a pay pig just to have access to everything that should be there by default.
@@literallylaw Definitely, I miss the days where you just popped in a game and you were playing right away, no day one mega patches, no stupidly long updates. no installs, no terms of agreement screen popping up saying you need to sell your data or some bullshit.
The only company that still gives me that classic gaming experience anymore in Nintendo, They have yet to fall to the pure greed that has infested other companies. I see a lot of people being mad about the fact that Nintendo games are gonna be $70 going forward, But I would gladly pay that if they dont ever add in microtransactions or other monetized bullshit.
Glad indie devs exist
There's only one modern multiplayer game I play because it's devoid of so much of the crap that plagues the industry, Splatoon 3. It still has it's problems even beyond the infamous connection issues but I feel like it just has more respect for my time than anything else on the market. It's mechanically rewarding to master how to play unlike something like Overwatch where they actively patched out any cool tech people found (at least when I played it, no clue how they treat that shit now). Nintendo is hesitant about nerfing things (a little too much, many would argue) since they saw how it fucked up 2 nerfing shit into the ground.
There *is* a battle pass but it's completely free without having to do some dumb challenges to progress, first win of the day even gives you almost an entire tier for free. The battle pass isn't perfect, I don't know of any way to get the non clothing items.
The matchmaking system is... actually still kinda bad, but for an entirely different set of reasons compared to other multiplayer games. This comment is long enough as is so I'll just say to look up Squid School's "Rank Points Debt" video if you want to know more, it's a little outdated since a matched changed something but the gist is there. Just know you're not really going to be punished for winning a few games and I still prefer this over the horror stories I hear about other games.
Anyway, as for the community, well, you won't have anyone describing how they splatted inside your mom because you can't communicate at all. Not through words at least, when I want to throw a squid party, I manage to get that message across.
And lastly, there's progression beyond ranked. As you level up, you gain access to more and more weapons in the shop as well as the currency specifically for actually buying them. You can also get gear separate from the battle pass from the in-game shops. All free, Nintendo never has microtransactions in Splatoon and even when they added paid DLC to to 2, it was just a singleplayer campaign (and the best sp content the series had up to that point by a country mile). 3 is not looking to buck the trend of there being no mp focused DLC, either.
Also, funnily enough, I find myself sweating more playing the coop than the pvp. Though it is also just way harder than it was in Splatoon 2.
Unfortunately I can't say I've ever played a Splatoon game as I've never owned a Nintendo console and don't know if I'll ever have the cash to throw about to get one.
But that does sound like a fun time. My friends that do have a switch however complain to no end about how bad Nintendo are with their multiplayer and connection issues.
Especially in Smash. That's always kept me away from their consoles and mainly emulating their old single player games.
@@literallylaw I usually expect people who aren't dedicated Splatoon content creators to have never played the game. That's partly why I find myself writing so much about the game, would save me so much time if I could just write "splatoon though lmao" and have people just know what I mean.
As for the online problems, playing on a wired connection helps quite a bit. The worst I usually have to deal with in Splatoon is *other* people disconnecting. It's annoying when it happens but I can easily tolerate it.
A wire can't save Smash, though. That game's just fucked when it comes to online play. Worst part is that the game almost got rollback but the devs couldn't figure out how to handle rng mechanics, especially annoying since there are other fighting games with rng that already figured this out.
Splatoon is my favorite multiplayer game. Sadly, I can't play it due to the dreaded connection issues. But I'm glad you mentioned it as it avoids a lot of the issues modern multiplayer games have. It also got me into gyro aim and for the first time I was semi-competent with a shooter.
This sums up multiplayer so well, it's growing so stale and average and half the time most matches feel like if you put in anything less than 95% effort all the sweats will just harrass you the whole match, it sucks but hopefully something new comes out and revitalizes how multiplayer games used to be
Fingers crossed.
It’s so damn true breaks my heart that i don’t have the joy for multiplayer games anymore, whenever i pickup a long not played multiplayer game to play like overwatch 2 or … i don’t feel like enjoying it but forcing my self to win and be stressed out in the game, constantly complaining or shouting to my friends.
Still i would love to play single players like RE4 remake or Dead space , cyberpunk etc but that’s another story.
The love and joy for games like bo1 or mw2 etc is either dead or much less than it was before.
I feel the exact same. I wish this genre was still capable of being a joyous time.
Interesting video! As someone who never plays shooter games, I find it interesting that my favorite types of multiplayer games have kinda side-stepped some of the issues highlighted here. Maybe it’s because I’ve historically gravitated towards one-on-one competitive games like fighting games or strategy games. Playing any team based game where your team isn’t composed of people you already know seems like a terrible experience. And probably more likely to spawn toxicity since the veil of anonymity on the internet makes people more likely to lash out at each other. Give me a fighting game and a local group of people that play together IRL… that’s the best kind of multiplayer experience in my opinion.
I think it also helps that when you play one-on-one games, the “progression” that you focus on has little to do with unlocking content. It’s about your own improvement. In a one-on-one game there is no one to blame but yourself when you lose, and no one to take the credit but you when you win. You can (ideally) feel yourself getting a little better at the game with every loss and victory. As a result, I feel like these type of games don’t necessarily need unlockable content to motivate the player, paid for or otherwise. E.g. My current motivation is to get good enough that I can beat up that dude who plays Potemkin next time I see him at the bar where we play Guilty Gear haha
I enjoy fighting games and grand strategy a lot actually. I just don't really consider them the same I suppose.
Fighting games are generally unplayable online to me, so mentally I don't even mark them as multiplayer. They're a thing for me to play with friends on the couch in person or at a game bar.
If that makes sense.
But I totally get where you're coming from with the difference of having a 1v1 against having to drag a team on your shoulders.
@@literallylaw yeah that’s totally fair. It’s really only been in the past couple years that fighting games have had halfway decent netcode. I’m thankful that fighting game developers have finally joined the rest of the competitive gaming scene in the 21st century in that regard haha
You were able to articulate how I’ve felt about online games now a days compared to how it felt to be in the “gold age” on online games. Great video
Glad to hear it. Hopefully you stick around :)
I'm tired of being called poor just because a feature i spent a good amount of my life experiencing
(earning rewards through gameplay) disappeared, what is bad about being upset that something that you used to get just by spending 60 dollars now costs an additional 20 dollars once every month
Nothing is bad. The only people who'll shit talk you are brain washed drones who's opinion is worth as much as the toilet paper you wipe your ass with.
I asked myself the same thing about the absurd amount of toxicity in MP games even when the devs go out of their way to try and make the game feel less serious and more fun/goofy, and I think a part of it is social media and people that grew up largely around that. It's very easy for people's mistakes to be singled out and highlighted for everyone to see nowadays, and there's a fear of that, especially when in these team-oriented games there's seemingly always a primary person to blame for the ultimate failure of the team even if multiple players made multiple mistakes, and as a comp player you're expected to just be able to deal with being flamed and use it to fuel yourself because for some people it does work that way (maybe even for the people flaming you but certainly not for everyone). Another thing is as mentioned, the primary rewards you get without paying money for the game is ranks, stats and clips to share, so you'd be annoyed at team mates that have supposedly robbed you of those.
Social media has also been seen to attract egotistical people and as games are more prevalent in that space so more egotistical people will be drawn to popular games which are also easy to make content from (people are there to see the game even if there's nothing interesting about you yet).
All in all, I believe most of these kinds of issues are design issues and devs can choose what behaviour they want to incentivize in their games, and it's pretty clear where their priorities lie. It's sad coz the art teams also do a fantastic job and only get better over time, but everything else is booged down by business decisions.
* About data, the problem is how much they ignore user feedback compared to it, but they do acknowledge some nuances around it, like they also know how popular a hero is and their win rate per map, and on hero mirrors vs non-mirrors, the data isn't useful unless it's that rich. The main issue is how they'll interpret it after, or what their agenda is. E.g. They're afraid of nerfing or changing Mercy too much coz she's the most popular hero.
100% agree with you on it being a tragedy that devs pretty much prioritise this. And also, that yes, the artists do amazing jobs, even with OW for example, where the character designs world and everything else are so iconic, but they're trapped in a game most people just hate now.
Blizzards devs are also just inept at balancing, they always have been since basic old WoW days, so it's really not surprising that they still fail to interpret data well or in a way that's conducive to real improvement in the state of the game.
I think you nailed why competitive PVP has fallen down badly. I do think Discord has help keep that goofy fun we all miss from the 2004-2012 era of gaming (I regularly play Halo MCC and Splatoon 3 with buds and randos on a server), but most of PVP gaming and online in general has been hurt by battle passes, unfinished games, never fulfilled promises and just traeting people like crap, both devs and players. Halo and COD's competiveness came from the community, thanks to the tools that custom games brought, so big wigs and out of touch devs desperately trying to make their game into a E-sport with strict SBMM while trying to get casual players to spend more through shitty cosmetics and FOMO really sucks. I do however, have a feeling that era will end soon, thanks to the likes of co-op games, single player titles like Hi-Fi Rush and Dead Space showing how phenomenal that space is and the extraction shooter genre very much improving the formula of BRs by having stakes without being sweaty, showing that casual PVP games still have a market. Multiplayer wasn't killed.... It's just missing in action for now.
Also it's funny how we both have the same first name lol.
I can't say much other than I agree with pretty much your whole comment. :)
Also, yes, Lawrence is quite the rare name.
This is actually how i have been feeling for a long time with multiplayer games and i am glad TH-cam recommended me something good for once, i grew up on Black Ops 1 and 2 back in the day and i remember lobbies being full of different kinds of loadouts and playstyles, you had people rocking the LMGs, someone running around with the shotgun and the psychopath running around with the ballistic knives and it was just really fun seeing all kinds of different playstyles. Then i remembered getting MW2019 when it first came out and seeing that you couldn't compete with any loadout unless you were running around with a stockless gun that gave you the ADS time of the flash. It's just that every new multiplayer pvp game just turns me away because every time it's as if i don't conform to the meta i'm going to die every 6 seconds.
I suppose the upside was that i was able to play a bunch of games that were on my bucket list a while back such as System Shock 2, Deus Ex and the original F.E.A.R. and holy hell those were such good games to play, and i still boot them up time to time along with some Co-op games because at least they don't ask of me to dedicate my life to the game just to get a morsel of fun out of it if the stars align correctly.
All three of those are absolute classics. :)
I don’t remember buying any modern multiplayer games besides Cod black ops 3, I’ve mainly put my mind on local multiplayer games because those always seem better to me
Local multiplayer is always the best, the issue is simply most people don't live near their friends, especially once they're adults.
@@literallylawthat's why IMO online local style or online coop games are great.
Games using steam's networking solution, no port forwards, no bs.
Me and another friend are currently playing through borderlands 2 with all its side missions. Coop is soooo seamless its not funny
This makes me reminisce the days of Battle Field 2142! You can completely turn the tide of the game, without needing to shoot a single person if you so chose. You were seen as a hero for dropping down med packs or supplying your teammates with ammunition admits a fire fight or even by sacrificing yourself to distract the enemy while your team swarms in for a victory. Not into the shoot in the face game play that day, then stay on the ground and cap silos, slowly doing your part to take down the enemies Titan! In those days, only a very small select percent cared about their K/D ration. It was more about doing what needed to be done in order to get the victory, not about being to scared to jump in a situation because it might mess up your pointless numbers. That's the kind of game I miss. That's the kind of game I hope to make again, one day!
Back when multiplayer games did classes well and not this dog shit hero system everyone copied.
Being a good medic or engineer was legitimately game changing in the old BF games. What a time.
This made me a little emotional. I remember those moments like yesterday but with Battlefield 3 and 1943. Lots of fun.
@@literallylawi still play team fortress and csgo quake and unreal are pretty much the only multiplayer games I play
I’m currently on a night shift, waiting for this pain to end.. this has made my night as me and the boys feel the exactly the same. RIP IN THE CHAT.
Hope the shift went well buddy, glad to hear this resonated :)
rip in the chat? lil bro thinks hes on a livestream
Destiny2 broke me from fomo. It was getting to a point where i didn't have time to keep grinding because i was so burnt out and wanted to play something else.
After missing a season, even though it felt bad, i think i got over it. Now i just don't attach myself to cosmetic items anymore in other games.
As i got older i felt like i got worse and worse pvp anxiety, so now i just play coop survival games with 2 friends or solo storyline games. I can't even get immersed into mmos anymore, they all feel like different flavour of second jobs.
This video resonated with me so deeply, the content, the music bringing me nostalgic memories, thanks man….I really needed this video. It’s sad what gaming has become. Miss the simple times so much :(
Glad it resonated, even if it just makes you miss the good over all the bad. That's sorta how I feel all the time these days 😭
@@literallylaw Bruh felt 😔😭
Rock and Stone brothers!
I’ve also been feeling the multiplayer fatigue the past few years. Glad to find fun co ops and games with good communities like DRG
Rock and stone! :)
I was thinking last night about how once I finally got my own house and I Internet, I sunk 100 plus hours into Apex legends but now I can't even play it because I have absolutely fallen in love with single player stories. I thought to myself, people who only play multiplayer games are just playing themselves as gamers because they are missing out on so many beautiful experiences just to do the same thing over and over again.
Pretty much exactly why I stick mainly to co-op and single-player now.
Co-op is where I still interact with friends and other people and single player is where I actually have the most fun and engaging experiences.
Every game is doing the same thing over and over again.
@@strickshot what a stupid over simplification of a medium.
@@literallylaw still true at the end of the day.
I hate pvp games because i hate being overpowered by other players and the
amount of toxicity the community brings because they don’t like losing a round,
And i’m more into Co-op over pvp,
One of the exceptions is Left 4 Dead’s Versus Mode and Counter Strike’s community made Zombie Mode,
I used to play a mobile game Block City Wars and good at competing other players
PvP and toxicity really have become far too synonymous in modern games.
@@literallylaw Most tf2(team fortress) server for me are just full of chill people.
One of the few multiplayers i play is actually a really, REALLY underground game: Tony Hawk's UnderGround Pro (better known as THUG Pro) and i've realized that it solves a lot of the problems shown in this video, so i thought i'd share it with you.
First: no monetization. Yes, you readed it right, you don't have to pay for the game, you don't have to pay for cosmetics and you don't have to pay for anything!
Second: it's a skating game. Once you play shooters for a long time, they start to all feel the same, but since THUG Pro dosen't have to fear "not selling well" they can do what they want, and in this case it's an idea that it's not new (Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 came out in 1999) but that SO many people havent experienced yet, that it almost feels like it was something new
Third: community. It is no surprise that since the last Tony Hawk game done by NeverSoft (Tony Hawk's Proving Ground, 2007) the series has lost popularity, and so the community of THUG Pro is really small, but this is not something bad, at the contrary, this is perfect! You WILL encounter the same people hundreds of times everytime you play and get to meet them, and, if you get real toxic, people are just gonna ban you from their servers, and you will only be allowed to play at FCFS, and i don't think people will want to play with you so they will just leave.
Fourth: skill and playing games. It's really easy to start playing Tony Hawk, but it's really damn hard to master the game, and so you will be learning tricks and tips from the people you play with, not only that but when you play a match, if you do some sick stuff people are gonna praise you, and even if you do bad, the game just displays the points at the end of the match, so you really didn't "lose"
Fifth: graphics. Since this game was done for the Tony Hawk fans, there is no problem with keeping the classic PS2 graphics, so almost every PC can run it smoothly
Hope some of you begin to play THUG Pro since it's such a good game with such a small playerbase, and maybe, JUST MAYBE, this will result in another Tony Hawk game being released by Activision
I've actually played this conversion mod. I always enjoyed the older Tony hawk games, but I'd much rather get another Skate instalment personally.
I had way more fun with those games and the way the board controlled.
Being a gameprogramming student with previous experience in game development: i'm taking notes here, I agree on every point you've made! I remember those old days when play was more at focus... Everything is just so inflated with dopamine hacks! the colours, the sound for every little reward, the fast paste and time to kill..
Remember in Halo 3 when you found all skulls and when you went to the customzation menu the long awaited Hayabusa was there! as if santa had been around!
Thank you for this video!
No worries, glad to hear you enjoyed it. Also, getting those skulls was such a rewarding experience, will never forget it :)
The only reason I sometimes still play multi-player games is if I can play with friends. At least I know they won't be toxic. Looking forward to your video on coop games. I fondly remember mw2 coop missions
Yep, friends are the only reason I still waste hard drive space on these things.
@geraar88 I found that out the hard way after a racial slur was said live in the in game voice chat with a game I was playing last year. Ever since I have made sure to turn off all in game voice chats, text boxes, game usernames, etc. Amazing how games start to feel more fun again not seeing any of that toxicity!
You put everything that I wish I would’ve put in a video myself and I must say you delivered beautifully in every single way. From the nuance to the hilarious irony that plagues our multiplayer games today, you got it spot on and I’m gonna recommend this to my friends who all feel the same way.
I think extra things that have been plaguing games is that now, most people that buy these games have gotten extremely complacent and take all the garbage. I loved titanfall 2 and cringe when I see that in apex legends they sell you a blue skin for 10 dollars as opposed to the standard red skin for a weapon. Now, the developers aren’t even trying and are literally just putting whatever price tag they feel like without care. Many games nowadays have also become very one-dimensional as well. I love variety as well and love when games offer many game modes with their core gameplay mechanics. Now, games don’t offer anything else besides one core game mode and it makes the games die out for me in like a week. Battle róyales are a perfect example of this and they dare to sell a battle pass. There aren’t any CTF multiplayer modes or king of the hill modes and even Team Deathmatch seems to be hard to come across in games nowadays like wtf.
All in all great video man I felt literally every word in this video to my soul. Looking forward to more content whenever you feel like putting your heart out again.
Thank you so much, this is one of the nicest things anyone's ever said to me.
Also, Apex Legends is one of the greatest tragedies of all time, the fact the game made to play off the shitty BR trend blew up more than the masterpiece that was Titanfall 2 will forever make me genuinely angry about this industry.
But yeah, I agree with all the other points you've raised too. The one dimensional issue for sure, I've always hated Battle Royales because of it being a single mode and usually like 3 maps. That just gets so boring to me so fast.
@@literallylaw Apex legends is a super nerfed titanfall to me. Ironically, even watered down titanfall is better to many people out there than most shooters. The problem is people made EAs job super easy for them and just shit out content for that cash grab of a game. Sadly, it looks like apex took the priority over a possible titanfall 3 which breaks my heart lol
First other person I've heard compare the FOMO aspect of these online multiplayer games to having another job. It really is like having a second job trying to keep up with everything in these lives service games. My personal pet peev is "rotational" playlists for fan favorite game modes.
Maybe because most people playing these games are kids or students or people who have no clue what a job is actually like.
Because I can guarantee you almost anyone who works a full time would feel the same about This FOMO shit as you and me do.
Very true. It wouldn't surprise me if the vast majority of people defending practices such as these were younger people who don't yet understand the concept of have a real job. As you said, I highly doubt they would feel the same way if they did.
Side note, I think this is the real reason that a lot of older gamers are looking to retro games, and not just nostalgia. It's a lot less stressful to come home after a long day of work and just pop in a game to play for a bit. Compared to keeping up with live service announcements, balance changes, meta starts, and all the constant money grabbing, it's an easy choice. Nostalgia just makes the choice that much easier, I think.
I have to agree with the second point to a degree. I don't have time to do literal homework just to find out my weapons now suck.
its also the culture of everyone is somewhat good at games now and so every one including devs and players try to make everything very competitive and e-sports orientated
Yeah, it's an obsession now. Nobody seems to play for fun, they play to flex.
I even feel this with single player games now. Everyone is so into Soulsborne and older games which were harder, so Devs are trying to make all of these really challenging games. Thankfully there is a bit more accessible games in the single player space though.
Back in the days we played games like Half-life, UT and Quake for hours without any cosmetics or progression. If anyone needs progression in a multiplayer game to have fun, I'm telling you, it's you problem
Back in your day you didn't have anything that should've been with the game at launch locked away behind these pay walls.
Different times completely different situation.
@Literally Law You mentioned unreal tournament so I'm using your logic, therefore it can't be a different situation. If the game is fun, that should be enough. Don't wanna pay, don't pay. Agree corporate greed is frustrating but it shouldn't stop you from having fun. Perhaps you simply outgrew Multi player.
@@hillnegus300 here's the thing, I do have fun, when there's a progression system that isn't predatory.
I also have fun with a number of games that have zero progression. The issue is you took a single point out of a half hour video where I cover multiple reasons why I now dislike modern multiplayer offerings and focused it.
That's just one element, my issue is that 90% of multiplayer slop being shovelled out now has all of the above wrong with it, AND never any good or non predatory progression system.
When I was young I could ignore this shit, but I just can't anymore. I cannot play a game where they launched it with a measly ten maps and barely any other content and then won't update it with anything except what's in the battle pass for a whole year and just enjoy that anymore.
It's fucking lazy. Triple A devs should be doing MORE than just that. We're not talking studios with the kind of miniscule budget they had for the original Half Life Death Match or Unreal.
We're talking greedy bastards who already release barely there anemic games and then string you along with systems where you can't earn any of the shit that should be there day one.
Again, Overwatch now locks ENTIRE CHARACTERS behind a battle pass unlock in the season they launch. That's comedic.
@@literallylaw there's too many games all buying for our time, and that's the main issue. years ago, lets say around half-life one time. If you wanted to play a muti-player shooter, you only had a couple choices. There was no room for corporate greed or of choice paralysis. Too many chefs in the kitchen aka game defs/pubs.
@@hillnegus300 this we can absolutely agree on.
with the problem that you discussed about in the video, about casual and toxic MW2-type lobbies not existing more, I believe that it really is due to 1. the esport wannabes and 2. the people who are seemingly forced to grind out season pass challenges in order to make themselves feel that their purchase was worth it. In a way multiplayer games (like fortnite) oddly encourage more and more players to play by themselves to complete these challenges as it would be otherwise time-consuming and counterproductive to have a CASUAL match with their friends. It may also be due to the decrease in a passionate fan base for the game that would lead more and more players to keep their mic muted in case some 30 year old degenerate starts being unironically rude (I feel like the MW2 lobbies may appear "rude" to an outside observer, but it felt more like an inside joke to the people actually playing in them most of the time) which just ruins the insentive to have open mic conversations anymore. Idk.
also, are you a battlefront II fan by any chance? because I saw the gameplay of it and it let me to assume that you believe that the game doesn't fall into the bad habits that modern multiplayer games have. I personally love the game and think its refreshing not to see any P2W or season pass garbage in the game. It really does annoy me though that some people didn't give it a second chance after the loot box incident, especially since it was removed from the game almost instantly after the hate.
Really good video nonetheless. You appear to be a new youtuber but you have a really good style of editing and audio quality in your videos. I agree with all the takes in the rant which really is sad to think about. Thank you :)
Yeah, I'd noticed that even myself and some friends when we tried Halo Infinite we'd have to play alone to get our challenges done because we'd literally be worried our own group would steal kills we needed from each other. Ridiculous issue to have in a modern game.
Also, yeah I'm one of the people who got it once it had dropped in price a bit and they'd torn out all the atrocious launch day systems. I think it's a decent game now. Best current actual active multiplayer star wars game at the very least. Still have fun on it now and then.
Thanks for the kind words. I put off making a channel for years because I was using the same audio, video skills in general at work. So I wanted to improve them to the point where my stuff sounded and looked like some of the work more professional TH-camrs do before I really started putting out projects. Glad to hear the effort paid off.
The downfall of the MP FPS really started after MW 2019. Once the pandemic hit and nobody had anything to do ESports went huge even bigger than it already was. Now these games are catered towards these people who contribute nothing to society yet get payed millions along with the thousands of people who now want to be pro players. They have ruined MP FPS games and there is no turning the clock back.
Not while streamers and pro players get payed millions to be nothing but living adverts who contribute nothing to society.
IMO the main problem is Skill matchmaking and competitive. It makes every match the same. If a game has random matchmaking it varies the game much more. I think you should either have casual, with random MM, and a proper competitive mode, where you need to queue with your own team.
Absolutely. Adding SBMM to even casual playlists has totally ruined the random fun elements of online gaming.
I feel like esports has ruined gaming a little bit like everyone and their mother thinks they can become a pro esports player so almost everyone's parents are letting them play the game all day and in the old days from what i know because I'm 16 parents used to force their kids to go outside but now there's literally no one outside
I swear sometimes whenever I see videos like these, it makes me want to create my own fps game and just do what’s right for the people! For me I’ve been playing console games since 09 and i enjoy fps/arena shooters to this day but with this video. You bring a lot of strong points on the HUGE problem with games nowadays. I just wish I could give it a try do what’s right just create a game that separates casual/fun players and ranked/pro players. I thin you can have both but separate them. And create something finished!
I think we all wish we could make our own game. Most of us just lack the skillset.
@@literallylaw agreed! I feel like it can actually be done, but realistically it would have to be funded and then created by a small dev team