"Wouldn't your bakery make more money if you baked your cakes at 1300 degrees for 15 minutes instead of 325 degrees for an hour?" - some investor somewhere, most likely
Shout out to the producer who wanted to fire Gene Wilder from Blazing Saddles and Mel Brooks kept lying to him telling him that he would be. Fantastic fucking decision.
If I had an absurd amount of money to invest I can think of worse options than paying FromSoft and asking "Hey give me a racing game" or "Give me an RTS". Just to see what they would do
Lying to your boss is now an integral part of work. My job always orders supplies last minute to save money but will always leave use without supplies for weeks. So you just lie in order to have stuff in time.
Crazy how like every single publicly traded company these days is failing miserably, slashing workforces while reporting year on year record breaking gains.
@@Vanity0666 if every company was "failing miserably" we'd already be in the stone age again by now. hyperbole does no one any favors... as i seem to have demonstrated against myself with the stone age line. whatever, my point stands!
@@Vanity0666 there's this attitude among some business people that profit growth is functionally infinite, because you can always either reach new customers or cut new corners anybody who has actually made something with their own two hands can tell you why this is false
@@miguelnewmexico8641 Succeeding by some measures (executive and shareholder profit), failing by many others (product quality, affordability to consumers, providing for and retaining workers, etc.)
I don't know for certain that this story is true, but from what I've heard, back in the day, during the development of Battle Chess, the development team got really annoyed by management's constant need to make even tiny changes on absolutely everything, just to feel like they were part of the thing. At one point they developed an animation for a piece that was so good they didn't want any kind of change to be made, so they came up with a brilliant plan: they added a duck annoyingly flying around - but not ever actually blocking the good animation - and during the meeting, sure enough, they got something along the lines of, "Perfect! Perfect, just get rid of the duck!" It has been proposed that developers ought to learn from this, and add "ducks" in such situations.
Quentin Tarantino built his movie career on this early on- He always created extra-violent material for his films so he could let it get "cut" for the R Rating.
This is what people used to do to in Hollywood to get around sensors for movies. They would put in things into scenes that were egregious, so that when censors demanded something be cut, the director could appease them by cutting the exaggerated footage. This would make the censors more likely to then approve the remaining footage that the director actually wanted to keep.
“And you get to reap the rewards of our hard work for doing so, so please get out of my office. I send you regular devolpment updates, you know everything you need to know about where your money has gone, and how soon you can see a return. You do not get to decide if and how many giant mechanical spiders will exist in our damned project.”
I love how creatives play producers and investors in their own game. I recall Parasite director lying to freaking Weinstein in Snowpiercer for a scene that's supposedly a tribute to his father and in the end it was all a lie.
I know this is obvious but aside from initial funding, investors are the least important part of any project. If they have half a braincell they know this and will put money into a project or team they have faith in and will shut their stupid mouth and let the professionals do their damned job. Their job is to have money and give money, and the reason they are paying someone else in the first place is because they are not an engineer, a designer, a programmer, an artist, or any tangible talent besides counting and betting.
Investors and Shareholders made the world a lot less happy. If they just let the money do the job without their input, they probably would’ve made more.
@@FightCain You’re right. It’s like interrupting a plumber you hired to tell him how to fix your drain. Why hire someone if you don’t want them doing what they do best?
There was a bonus joke ending to one of the walking dead comics were rick wakes up in hospital and michonne is like we have to go aliens are invading they go outside and see robo governor and a alien on a hover board it is also in colour unlike the rest of the issue so in a way kirkman was Technically telling the truth that aliens were involved just not in a canon way. Its issue 75 if you are wondering.
Can you imagine doing this for any other profession. Yes Mr Plumber not only am i asking you to fix my upper decker but can you please help me build a whirlpool, install charging docks , and help my mom move across state or else i will pull funding
I think I can explain what happened with crypto. Bitcoin became popular because it was used on the Silk Road: to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, look it up. All that money was enough to make the price rise, which brought in speculators, which made it rise further, and so Bitcoin developed a bubble. But without the Silk Road Bitcoin doesn't have a use case, so the bubble is in the process of bursting. Most of the other crypto people are basically in a cargo cult. They don't understand why Bitcoin was successful, but they're still trying to replicate it. They are making the same movements with their arms and noises with their mouths, but the damn airdrop just won't come back.
There's also Ethereum, which is trying to, like, actually _improve_ on the tech...but is also deeply mired in the culture of grift that grew up around bitcoin, which is itself a reflection of the Move Fast Break Things logic that most big tech operates on. Whether or not the stuff is _useful_ is secondary to whether you can find a way to be the next Apple, because these people don't understand that Apple's biggest successes came from making useful tech.
If the old netflix documentary "This film is not yet rated" is anything to go by, when it comes to arguing with the rating board. You aren't allowed to bring up what other films were allowed to do for lesser ratings.
start? maybe you want people to do it more, and whatever, but to act like people ain't been lying cheating and stealing since the dawn of fucking time is a joke. no no, you're right, we've all been little saints this whole time.
@@BIGBLUBLUR I love when people intentionally misinterpret the meaning of a comment and then scold the commenter for saying something they obviously didn’t say. It’s great. Love the internet.
Even if the investors don't demand things, companies will try to become more attractive to them in ways that make their products worse It's just a terrible system, especially in the tech industry
“Your toaster now has an app to tell you it has finished toasting, upload a picture of the newly toasted toast automatically to your insta and twitter, and loudly run ads on the front facing screen which you can turn off for a small subscription fee of $15 a month.”
Management gave Tekken a budget and advertised it and didn't punish Harada for fucking with finances when he had zero authority to do so. That's why Soulcalibur, the better series; the #2 best game of all time on Metacritic; the game that was considered BETTER than DoA2, VF3, Tekken 3, AND SFIII3S; the game that was SO ADVANCED it was stuck on the Dreamcast; the games made by the (in Harada's own words) *ELITE* team at Namco got less sales/attention/support than Tekken.
The Blazing Saddles one isn't even the best moment of Mel Brooks just being the GOAT when it comes to dealing with suits. The best moment would be when he was the (uncredited, since he didn't want people expecting a comedy) executive producer for The Elephant Man, and showed a working cut of the film to Paramount suits who then presented a list of dumbass changes they wanted. Mel's response: "We are involved in a business venture. We screened the film for you, to bring you up to date as to the status of that venture. Do not misconstrue this as our soliciting the input of raging primitives." David Lynch famously doesn't like working with big studios (especially after how horrible making Dune was), but he's always talked fondly of Mel because of just how good of a producer Mel was, a notable example being how Lynch tells of how his contract for The Elephant Man didn't give him the final cut of the film but Mel got him the final cut anyway.
Demon Souls, in a way, is an Oblivion. It’s just instead of copying the thing you’d normally copy when doing an Oblivion clone they copied the fatigue based press attack button an direction combat system of Oblivion and actually made it good. It does seem though that FromSoftware is slowly working their way towards making their own “Elder Scrolls but good” game. They started with the combat system, then they made all the levels interconnected in Dark Souls, then they got to a giant open world in Elden Ring, next they just gotta add some towns in their.
I feel like any investor should know to talk to someone they know who's interested in a subject to know where to invest. For the past DECADE all a surface level investor would have had to have done to cut into the gaming industry is talk to their little 10 year old grandchild or nieces/nephews and heard them say "Duhh I fink fowtnight is pwetty cool."
its very unfortunate to hear that about Soul Calibur after SC6 feels like them pulling the series out of purgatory and had a good chance at getting another game again.
I've had the thought of, for VF guests in Tekken, they should do Kage, have a cool traditional ninja look at the weirdoes like Yoshimitsu and Raven and go "Who tf are y'all?"
Honestly it seems to be a bunch of companies are generally shittier whenever they are dependent or listen to investors and attempt to appeal to stockholders rather than prioritizing their products over the two. Although I can generally complain about the same things for a number of japanese companies (since a number do the same thing), it seems like Western Companies needs that as a lesson since so many seem more 'invested' in their investors, producers, and stockholders rather than proper/good development.
It always felt weird that you found all this cool bard gear, and unless you went bard at some point, it either collected dust the whole game, or it got disolved into nothing inside Gale's gullet.
Now that I think about it, why do you listen to investors anyway? They already bought your shares and you got the money. Who cares what happens after that. What are they gonna do, sell the shares? Who cares? What, do businessmen have their own special version of Yelp where they leave reviews like "I told this company to make their product bad and they told me no! 1/5 stars, would not invest again" or something? Who cares?
One of the times I felt myself growing older was during a student council meeting (Asia) us newbies thought of a lot of ways of improving our budgeting and save a bunch of money for the school. The teachers just looked at us and said "oh, oh noooo, you don't understand. We HAVE TO be this reckless with our budget to spend it all, otherwise we'd get cut for next year. Never go under budget no matter what" It stuck with and I am seeing this attitude being forced upon almost everything because otherwise you get cut. Capitalism is a cancer (not in the "fuck the system" kind of way, but in a literal a "self replicating system focused on endless growth with no regard" kind of way)
The problem is always unregulated capitalism. It’s a great system in theory, but there needs to be regulation in the market, protection from monopolies, and so many other balances to ensure you don’t get our current “burn every ounce of fuel, squeeze every ounce of blood from all stones” without any regard to what the plan is next year let alone 10 years down the line.
I am reminded of a bts story of the making of the movie Fight Club, (pushing down below cause it's real bad lol) in the scene after Tyler has sex with Marla, her gross shocking line was originally "I want to have your abortion." One of the producers *hated* the line but made the mistake of saying they'd rather have "anything else." So they did indeed change the line for the final release... to the even-worse "I haven't been fucked like that since grade school." The producer got what they wanted, the abortion line was out...
Investors exist to give people money, if they try to usurp the creative direction of the team actually making the art they can f*ck off. This also applies to crowd funding orgs as well, the only thing a consumer should expect from early payments is the final product, if the developers decide to release an unfinished build for the purpose of gauging feedback, that is a privilege. The only time your money should influence what a piece art fundamentally is, is if you're commissioning it with the specific details you asked for.
These investment stories are always so interesting cause it comes down to these rich dudes fundamentally not understanding that they’ve invested in art, not a business.
We never hear of the ones where they didn't listen and then failed. When you ignore a directive, you need to be sure your right. Otherwise any issues will be squarely on the director.
Counterpoint to note: ignoring your producers only works if they're incompetent, detached from your project, and if YOU are able to handle your project capably. Actively fucking with people you work with is not a great idea, this is only really viable if they only check in once in a while and don't actually care about your day to day.
@@dodiswatchbobobo Sorry, I meant executives. And no, that part of the conversation was about people actually involved with the film/game making process like the head of Sony at the time Shuhei Yoshida.
Investors exist for their money, they incorrectly think that their money makes them have value outside of the cold hard cash, It does not. Often, their opinions are worthless, they are better as sugar daddies that don't question things beyond the choice to invest or sell their stocks.
slight aside but that comment about "they took err jerbs" as applied to sbmm complainers is somehow so cogent. The people complaining "I'm only in this rank because the game favors low skill players" absolutely do sound a lot like people who say "I'm only at this job because this country favors foreigners."
It is a fact that immigrants will take lower pay and corporations will pay people as little as possible, thus they will take jobs from existing citizens
@@bishopspechulure9821 this is a generalization of how immigrant labor works. When it comes to immigrant labor in America at the least (although I'm fairly certain this applies to most "western" nations) the most likely people for an immigrant to steal the job of is ANOTHER immigrant. Asylum seekers, refugees, etc tend to work in some of the lowest paying jobs that the average american citizen just won't do. SEVENTY PERCENT of farm workers in the U.S. are foreign born, compare that to truck driving in which seventy percent of the work force is white and you'll see that work in America is heavily segregated not just coincidentally but often intentionally as it is in many countries. It's statistically rare for an immigrant to take a job from an existing natural born citizens because they're doing different jobs. If you get your job "stolen" by an immigrant then it probably wasn't a very well paying job to begin with, and either way you should get mad at the person firing you and not the immigrant.
Difference is, people compete in games for fun. People are forced to compete at work. If there was an option for "zero challenge, low-effort guaranteed moderately-satisfying work with no competition" most people would take it, so bitching about the "game" you are forced to play becoming harder and more competitive is legitimate
Most bosses, managers and investors are worthless hangers-on whose main job is causing problems they can pretend to solve and putting up barriers they can pretend are safeguards of quality. If the people producing the things people actually want just had the money frame one, they would be more effective and productive.
This reminds me of my final year in highschool. I went to an alternative school, they would make everyone do a project and give a lecture at the end of the year. First year I went "I want to make a game" and they went "Sure, you like to make games, go for it" so I made a game. Second year I went "I want to make a game" and they went "Sure, it went alright last year, go for it" and I iterated on the game I made. Third year I went "I want to make a game" and they went "No, you've made games twice in a row now, do something else". We had a back and forth, finally I go "Fine, I'll do it on something else I love, Lying" and they went "Uhh... Alright, fine we guess." Across that whole school year I spent maybe 15 minutes "working" on my project and lecture. Every few months they'd be like "Hey, how is this going" and I'd throw something together in 5 minutes and send it off and they'd go "Alright, keep it up, don't forget this is the date to turn it in by" and I'd go "Got it". It's the end of the school year. It's about 10 at night, day before the presentations are supposed to be given. It's a whole big event everyone's participating in, not just some small lecture in front of a class or whatever. My mom gets a call from one of my teachers going "Your kid hasn't sent in his thing yet". She finds me in the kitchen and asks me what's up with the project and I go "Oh, I told them I'd do a project on lying, but it doesn't exist." On the one hand, she loves it because that's exactly something I'd do to them. On the other hand she's PISSED because, well you know why. It's a bit of a mess for the school because they're all freaking out and I'm like "Man I don't know what you expected, should've let me do what I wanted from the start, Idgaf about any of this". TL:DR, I get sent to my step-dad's house, he runs me through the basics on putting a presentation together, we spend maybe 2 hours putting it together and I'm sandbagging it the whole way through. Skip forward to the next night. I'm at the school, I hand over the presentation, they ask me to go on stage and do some mock runs. I refuse because that's stupid to me, I already know what it's about and everything in it and what I'm gonna say, and I don't have a script anyway. They get annoyed and I shrug and go click through the slides while I'm on the stage to make sure it's working. A few hours later the kids are giving their presentations and my turn comes up. I go up, I give a killer presentation first try, no practice or anything, then I hit Next Slide while I'm on my last slide, it moves to the first slide of whoever's project was next. I look up at the screen, try to go back for a bit, then look out at the crowd and shrug and go "That's not mine, my bad" and walk off to applause and laughter. The teachers come up and they're both happy that everything was well received and PISSED that nothing went wrong so they can't tell me off. - Anyway, the school my younger siblings were going to was doing a talent show that same night and about 10 minutes after I gave my presentation I asked my school if I could go leave to catch their segment and they were like "Yes. Just go." so we booked it and then missed it by 3 minutes. RIP. Also I'm pretty sure I'm single handedly responsible for making sure every other kid in the years after me will now have someone else watching their yearly project like a hawk, lmao.
@@ONIMOT100 I disagree. I got everything I wanted. They got results they literally couldn't complain about because my presentation was objectively one of the best ones there AND they learned some valuable lessons on actually following up with people. Only thing I'd try to change if I could go back in time is that I'd try to ask to leave right after the presentation so we could've caught my siblings' part in their talent show. Much like paranoia, it's only arrogance if you're wrong and can't back it up.
@@Graysett Wow, you are REALLY not beating the arrogant prick allegations. Like, did you actually read out loud what you wrote down just now? Maybe if you had you'd pick up on how much a narcissist cunt it makes you come off as. "Oh I disagree, I got everything I wanted." "Oh, it's only arrogance when you can't back it up."
@@ONIMOT100 eh, i'd say it's 50/50. personally, i would have done the thing i wanted and went "yeah, i lied to you, thesis achieved. anyway here's my cool game thing." instead of doing almost nothing.
This is absolutely ridiculous entitled behavior.Just because you invest money you think you can just boss people around. If you have no trust or have issues in how the business is currently doing things why the hell did you invest in the first place.Can you imagine in any other field you go up to like an engineer,doctor,or like a firefighter and just start throwing unsolicited advice that at best might just be a nitpick and at worst they have no idea about the topic and is completely out of touch with reality.
It's deeper than that. They think that, because they have money, they're _smarter than everyone under them._ Because that's what capitalism says! You only get to keep money if you're smart! If you're dumb you lose money (except that when _I_ lose money it's because the dumb idiots under me wouldn't listen to me, or got it wrong, or sabotaged me, or because gamers are too entitled to pay 90 dollars for my AAAA game...) It's what happens when someone starts from "I'm right" and comes up with an excuse for it, really, which is why you're 100% correct in calling it entitled behavior. Investors think they're the bestest smartest most awesome businesspeople in the world 'cuz they inherited a billion dollars from Daddy, and you'd have to lose a million every year for one hundred years to run out of one billion dollars.
"Wouldn't your bakery make more money if you baked your cakes at 1300 degrees for 15 minutes instead of 325 degrees for an hour?" - some investor somewhere, most likely
"Wouldn't the baby be born sooner if we added more women to this pregnancy?" - Investors, probably
@@ThisNameIsNotTaken99 there's a joke that managers/investors are the kind of people who think 9 women could make a baby in 1 month
Like that Fosters Home episode
"Yes we would greatly increase the amount of molten slurry we produce"
@@Double512technically they could make a child per month, but it would still have a 9 month lead up time.
Shout out to the producer who wanted to fire Gene Wilder from Blazing Saddles and Mel Brooks kept lying to him telling him that he would be. Fantastic fucking decision.
Well fuck Pat mentioned it
@@josue65222 he mentions it every single time he can lmao
@@wumbojet it's a good story!
Investor: “Hey Miyazaki, copy Oblivion’s homework for us.”
Miyazaki: *Creates a new genre instead*
If I had an absurd amount of money to invest I can think of worse options than paying FromSoft and asking "Hey give me a racing game" or "Give me an RTS". Just to see what they would do
Subgenre more likely, since Soilslike games are part of Action RPG.
@@Dracobyteyea the souls series is just 3rd person kingsfield
@@Dracobyte"Perfects the Castlevania 3D formula" more like
Lying to your boss is now an integral part of work. My job always orders supplies last minute to save money but will always leave use without supplies for weeks. So you just lie in order to have stuff in time.
its only a matter of time toll the west crumbles then
This is so real. When your concerns as a worker are never acknowledged or addressed, you need to lie just to make the workplace function.
Crazy how not listening to out of touch investors/executives leads to success
Crazy how like every single publicly traded company these days is failing miserably, slashing workforces while reporting year on year record breaking gains.
@@Vanity0666 if every company was "failing miserably" we'd already be in the stone age again by now. hyperbole does no one any favors... as i seem to have demonstrated against myself with the stone age line. whatever, my point stands!
@@Vanity0666 there's this attitude among some business people that profit growth is functionally infinite, because you can always either reach new customers or cut new corners
anybody who has actually made something with their own two hands can tell you why this is false
@@miguelnewmexico8641 Succeeding by some measures (executive and shareholder profit), failing by many others (product quality, affordability to consumers, providing for and retaining workers, etc.)
Shocking!
Man, I love how on the nose the shareholders meeting minigame in Like a Dragon is. “Everything is going great! Ah I am sorry, we will do better!” WIN!
I don't know for certain that this story is true, but from what I've heard, back in the day, during the development of Battle Chess, the development team got really annoyed by management's constant need to make even tiny changes on absolutely everything, just to feel like they were part of the thing. At one point they developed an animation for a piece that was so good they didn't want any kind of change to be made, so they came up with a brilliant plan: they added a duck annoyingly flying around - but not ever actually blocking the good animation - and during the meeting, sure enough, they got something along the lines of, "Perfect! Perfect, just get rid of the duck!"
It has been proposed that developers ought to learn from this, and add "ducks" in such situations.
Quentin Tarantino built his movie career on this early on- He always created extra-violent material for his films so he could let it get "cut" for the R Rating.
just need to add a secret duck flag in the config folder for Annoying Shit, so you can just press the "no more ducks" button before deploying
This is what people used to do to in Hollywood to get around sensors for movies. They would put in things into scenes that were egregious, so that when censors demanded something be cut, the director could appease them by cutting the exaggerated footage. This would make the censors more likely to then approve the remaining footage that the director actually wanted to keep.
Some people just need to feel useful
“You don’t exist to tell me how to make my game, you exist to pay for the production of my game”
“And you get to reap the rewards of our hard work for doing so, so please get out of my office. I send you regular devolpment updates, you know everything you need to know about where your money has gone, and how soon you can see a return. You do not get to decide if and how many giant mechanical spiders will exist in our damned project.”
I love how creatives play producers and investors in their own game. I recall Parasite director lying to freaking Weinstein in Snowpiercer for a scene that's supposedly a tribute to his father and in the end it was all a lie.
The bleeding axes on fish scene
I know this is obvious but aside from initial funding, investors are the least important part of any project. If they have half a braincell they know this and will put money into a project or team they have faith in and will shut their stupid mouth and let the professionals do their damned job. Their job is to have money and give money, and the reason they are paying someone else in the first place is because they are not an engineer, a designer, a programmer, an artist, or any tangible talent besides counting and betting.
Counterpoint: Giant Mechanical Spider!
Investors and Shareholders made the world a lot less happy.
If they just let the money do the job without their input, they probably would’ve made more.
But that would require them to shut up, have you ever met a wealthy person that wasn't in love with the sound of their own voice?
@@GabeSweetMan Dammit my one weakness
@@FightCain You’re right. It’s like interrupting a plumber you hired to tell him how to fix your drain. Why hire someone if you don’t want them doing what they do best?
There was a bonus joke ending to one of the walking dead comics were rick wakes up in hospital and michonne is like we have to go aliens are invading they go outside and see robo governor and a alien on a hover board it is also in colour unlike the rest of the issue so in a way kirkman was Technically telling the truth that aliens were involved just not in a canon way. Its issue 75 if you are wondering.
Can you imagine doing this for any other profession. Yes Mr Plumber not only am i asking you to fix my upper decker but can you please help me build a whirlpool, install charging docks , and help my mom move across state or else i will pull funding
Works for politicians.
I think I can explain what happened with crypto. Bitcoin became popular because it was used on the Silk Road: to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, look it up. All that money was enough to make the price rise, which brought in speculators, which made it rise further, and so Bitcoin developed a bubble. But without the Silk Road Bitcoin doesn't have a use case, so the bubble is in the process of bursting. Most of the other crypto people are basically in a cargo cult. They don't understand why Bitcoin was successful, but they're still trying to replicate it. They are making the same movements with their arms and noises with their mouths, but the damn airdrop just won't come back.
Kind of like how monero is the new Bitcoin do to it's untraceable nature?
Man, I only just learned about the phrase "cargo cult". Was surprised to see it.
There's also Ethereum, which is trying to, like, actually _improve_ on the tech...but is also deeply mired in the culture of grift that grew up around bitcoin, which is itself a reflection of the Move Fast Break Things logic that most big tech operates on. Whether or not the stuff is _useful_ is secondary to whether you can find a way to be the next Apple, because these people don't understand that Apple's biggest successes came from making useful tech.
@@hyperon_ion9423 wait till you hear about the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon - you'll start seeing that shit *everywhere*
Talking about what the Soul Calibur and Tekken teams have in common, and missing the opportunity for a Yoshimitsu joke.
If the old netflix documentary "This film is not yet rated" is anything to go by, when it comes to arguing with the rating board. You aren't allowed to bring up what other films were allowed to do for lesser ratings.
“Can’t you just make it now, and burn the place down for insurance before they find out?”
Investors will shamelessly Eddie Guerrero their way through their lives at our expense, it's time we start doing it back
start? maybe you want people to do it more, and whatever, but to act like people ain't been lying cheating and stealing since the dawn of fucking time is a joke.
no no, you're right, we've all been little saints this whole time.
@miguelnewmexico8641 what a weird thing to take away from that comment, but not wrong, guess.
@@BIGBLUBLUR I love when people intentionally misinterpret the meaning of a comment and then scold the commenter for saying something they obviously didn’t say. It’s great. Love the internet.
Even if the investors don't demand things, companies will try to become more attractive to them in ways that make their products worse
It's just a terrible system, especially in the tech industry
“Your toaster now has an app to tell you it has finished toasting, upload a picture of the newly toasted toast automatically to your insta and twitter, and loudly run ads on the front facing screen which you can turn off for a small subscription fee of $15 a month.”
"Look over there! Money!"
"Money? Where?! I like money!"
Management gave Tekken a budget and advertised it and didn't punish Harada for fucking with finances when he had zero authority to do so. That's why Soulcalibur, the better series; the #2 best game of all time on Metacritic; the game that was considered BETTER than DoA2, VF3, Tekken 3, AND SFIII3S; the game that was SO ADVANCED it was stuck on the Dreamcast; the games made by the (in Harada's own words) *ELITE* team at Namco got less sales/attention/support than Tekken.
The Blazing Saddles one isn't even the best moment of Mel Brooks just being the GOAT when it comes to dealing with suits. The best moment would be when he was the (uncredited, since he didn't want people expecting a comedy) executive producer for The Elephant Man, and showed a working cut of the film to Paramount suits who then presented a list of dumbass changes they wanted. Mel's response:
"We are involved in a business venture. We screened the film for you, to bring you up to date as to the status of that venture. Do not misconstrue this as our soliciting the input of raging primitives."
David Lynch famously doesn't like working with big studios (especially after how horrible making Dune was), but he's always talked fondly of Mel because of just how good of a producer Mel was, a notable example being how Lynch tells of how his contract for The Elephant Man didn't give him the final cut of the film but Mel got him the final cut anyway.
rip soulcaliber
Demon Souls, in a way, is an Oblivion. It’s just instead of copying the thing you’d normally copy when doing an Oblivion clone they copied the fatigue based press attack button an direction combat system of Oblivion and actually made it good. It does seem though that FromSoftware is slowly working their way towards making their own “Elder Scrolls but good” game. They started with the combat system, then they made all the levels interconnected in Dark Souls, then they got to a giant open world in Elden Ring, next they just gotta add some towns in their.
Never been so happy to have not played more than five minutes of BG3. The experience is going to be trancedent at this point.
"Don't ask for permission, ask for forgiveness."
How about don't ask for shit.
i can think of many many contexts where not asking will get you in *a lot* of trouble.
Shout out to the amazingly talented Mel Brooks!
playing baldurs gate 3 for the rest of my life
When your Charisma stat is high enough... make sure the other one is low.
I feel like any investor should know to talk to someone they know who's interested in a subject to know where to invest.
For the past DECADE all a surface level investor would have had to have done to cut into the gaming industry is talk to their little 10 year old grandchild or nieces/nephews and heard them say "Duhh I fink fowtnight is pwetty cool."
its very unfortunate to hear that about Soul Calibur after SC6 feels like them
pulling the series out of purgatory and had a good chance at getting another
game again.
I still think that aliens would've been fucking DOPE as shit. just without it being an interplanetary war, just a eldritch horror reveal
You look those shareholders dead in the eyes and say "shut the fuck up if you want money"
I've had the thought of, for VF guests in Tekken, they should do Kage, have a cool traditional ninja look at the weirdoes like Yoshimitsu and Raven and go "Who tf are y'all?"
Honestly it seems to be a bunch of companies are generally shittier whenever they are dependent or listen to investors and attempt to appeal to stockholders rather than prioritizing their products over the two. Although I can generally complain about the same things for a number of japanese companies (since a number do the same thing), it seems like Western Companies needs that as a lesson since so many seem more 'invested' in their investors, producers, and stockholders rather than proper/good development.
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This was also the strategy used in shows like MASH.
If they add that Bard I’ll use her all the time in future play throughs. I made my MC a bard because they’re so good.
It always felt weird that you found all this cool bard gear, and unless you went bard at some point, it either collected dust the whole game, or it got disolved into nothing inside Gale's gullet.
B-b-but lying is bad!
Not to wall street bros it's not
@@thelaughingrouge Can you repeat in English? My "welfare leech" is a little rusty.
@@wrongthinker843 oh you want it to be translated to "corporate bootlicker"?
@@squid_superstar Nah, just someone who understands the economy and isn't his parents' biggest regret.
@@wrongthinker843 Boy, with that attitude you'll be a billionaire in no time! Any day now. . .
Now that I think about it, why do you listen to investors anyway? They already bought your shares and you got the money. Who cares what happens after that. What are they gonna do, sell the shares? Who cares? What, do businessmen have their own special version of Yelp where they leave reviews like "I told this company to make their product bad and they told me no! 1/5 stars, would not invest again" or something? Who cares?
One of the times I felt myself growing older was during a student council meeting (Asia) us newbies thought of a lot of ways of improving our budgeting and save a bunch of money for the school.
The teachers just looked at us and said "oh, oh noooo, you don't understand. We HAVE TO be this reckless with our budget to spend it all, otherwise we'd get cut for next year. Never go under budget no matter what"
It stuck with and I am seeing this attitude being forced upon almost everything because otherwise you get cut.
Capitalism is a cancer (not in the "fuck the system" kind of way, but in a literal a "self replicating system focused on endless growth with no regard" kind of way)
The problem is always unregulated capitalism. It’s a great system in theory, but there needs to be regulation in the market, protection from monopolies, and so many other balances to ensure you don’t get our current “burn every ounce of fuel, squeeze every ounce of blood from all stones” without any regard to what the plan is next year let alone 10 years down the line.
@@disk3001 how is that at all related to capitalism? That happens in every bureaucracy. Also was the school not a government entity?
I am reminded of a bts story of the making of the movie Fight Club, (pushing down below cause it's real bad lol)
in the scene after Tyler has sex with Marla, her gross shocking line was originally "I want to have your abortion." One of the producers *hated* the line but made the mistake of saying they'd rather have "anything else." So they did indeed change the line for the final release... to the even-worse "I haven't been fucked like that since grade school." The producer got what they wanted, the abortion line was out...
Wait, Alfira, the character who in the Dark Urge path....yknow...
Investors exist to give people money, if they try to usurp the creative direction of the team actually making the art they can f*ck off.
This also applies to crowd funding orgs as well, the only thing a consumer should expect from early payments is the final product, if the developers decide to release an unfinished build for the purpose of gauging feedback, that is a privilege. The only time your money should influence what a piece art fundamentally is, is if you're commissioning it with the specific details you asked for.
inb4 someone says investing is commissioning.
These investment stories are always so interesting cause it comes down to these rich dudes fundamentally not understanding that they’ve invested in art, not a business.
‘But art is a business’ - some investors somewhere.
@@themajesticmoose8147 im not ecstatic about it, but it really kinda is.
We never hear of the ones where they didn't listen and then failed.
When you ignore a directive, you need to be sure your right. Otherwise any issues will be squarely on the director.
Yeah, there certainly is a survivorship bias here.
Counterpoint to note: ignoring your producers only works if they're incompetent, detached from your project, and if YOU are able to handle your project capably. Actively fucking with people you work with is not a great idea, this is only really viable if they only check in once in a while and don't actually care about your day to day.
They’re not talking about producers. They’re talking about shareholders.
@@dodiswatchbobobo Sorry, I meant executives. And no, that part of the conversation was about people actually involved with the film/game making process like the head of Sony at the time Shuhei Yoshida.
That fake Walking Dead story was actually the basis for a manga called I Am A Hero.
Investors exist for their money, they incorrectly think that their money makes them have value outside of the cold hard cash, It does not. Often, their opinions are worthless, they are better as sugar daddies that don't question things beyond the choice to invest or sell their stocks.
slight aside but that comment about "they took err jerbs" as applied to sbmm complainers is somehow so cogent. The people complaining "I'm only in this rank because the game favors low skill players" absolutely do sound a lot like people who say "I'm only at this job because this country favors foreigners."
It is a fact that immigrants will take lower pay and corporations will pay people as little as possible, thus they will take jobs from existing citizens
@@bishopspechulure9821 this is a generalization of how immigrant labor works.
When it comes to immigrant labor in America at the least (although I'm fairly certain this applies to most "western" nations) the most likely people for an immigrant to steal the job of is ANOTHER immigrant. Asylum seekers, refugees, etc tend to work in some of the lowest paying jobs that the average american citizen just won't do. SEVENTY PERCENT of farm workers in the U.S. are foreign born, compare that to truck driving in which seventy percent of the work force is white and you'll see that work in America is heavily segregated not just coincidentally but often intentionally as it is in many countries.
It's statistically rare for an immigrant to take a job from an existing natural born citizens because they're doing different jobs. If you get your job "stolen" by an immigrant then it probably wasn't a very well paying job to begin with, and either way you should get mad at the person firing you and not the immigrant.
Difference is, people compete in games for fun. People are forced to compete at work. If there was an option for "zero challenge, low-effort guaranteed moderately-satisfying work with no competition" most people would take it, so bitching about the "game" you are forced to play becoming harder and more competitive is legitimate
little does woolie realize that aliens do exist in the walking dead universe
Ive never been ths earlier lookinh forward to it
I beat BG3 on tactician. When I got the rare achievement I was confused at only 5% of players have done that.
What is Shuhei yoshida like as an executive?
BUT MONEY THOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correction: BUT MY MONEY THOUGH
Give me money. Money me. Money now. Me a money needing a lot now.
Most bosses, managers and investors are worthless hangers-on whose main job is causing problems they can pretend to solve and putting up barriers they can pretend are safeguards of quality.
If the people producing the things people actually want just had the money frame one, they would be more effective and productive.
Since they'll make more money if you keep them from touching anything you are doing investors a favor
Jackie or Jean or nothing else. I wanna be a jojo
This reminds me of my final year in highschool. I went to an alternative school, they would make everyone do a project and give a lecture at the end of the year. First year I went "I want to make a game" and they went "Sure, you like to make games, go for it" so I made a game. Second year I went "I want to make a game" and they went "Sure, it went alright last year, go for it" and I iterated on the game I made. Third year I went "I want to make a game" and they went "No, you've made games twice in a row now, do something else". We had a back and forth, finally I go "Fine, I'll do it on something else I love, Lying" and they went "Uhh... Alright, fine we guess."
Across that whole school year I spent maybe 15 minutes "working" on my project and lecture. Every few months they'd be like "Hey, how is this going" and I'd throw something together in 5 minutes and send it off and they'd go "Alright, keep it up, don't forget this is the date to turn it in by" and I'd go "Got it".
It's the end of the school year. It's about 10 at night, day before the presentations are supposed to be given. It's a whole big event everyone's participating in, not just some small lecture in front of a class or whatever. My mom gets a call from one of my teachers going "Your kid hasn't sent in his thing yet". She finds me in the kitchen and asks me what's up with the project and I go "Oh, I told them I'd do a project on lying, but it doesn't exist."
On the one hand, she loves it because that's exactly something I'd do to them. On the other hand she's PISSED because, well you know why. It's a bit of a mess for the school because they're all freaking out and I'm like "Man I don't know what you expected, should've let me do what I wanted from the start, Idgaf about any of this". TL:DR, I get sent to my step-dad's house, he runs me through the basics on putting a presentation together, we spend maybe 2 hours putting it together and I'm sandbagging it the whole way through.
Skip forward to the next night. I'm at the school, I hand over the presentation, they ask me to go on stage and do some mock runs. I refuse because that's stupid to me, I already know what it's about and everything in it and what I'm gonna say, and I don't have a script anyway. They get annoyed and I shrug and go click through the slides while I'm on the stage to make sure it's working. A few hours later the kids are giving their presentations and my turn comes up.
I go up, I give a killer presentation first try, no practice or anything, then I hit Next Slide while I'm on my last slide, it moves to the first slide of whoever's project was next. I look up at the screen, try to go back for a bit, then look out at the crowd and shrug and go "That's not mine, my bad" and walk off to applause and laughter. The teachers come up and they're both happy that everything was well received and PISSED that nothing went wrong so they can't tell me off.
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Anyway, the school my younger siblings were going to was doing a talent show that same night and about 10 minutes after I gave my presentation I asked my school if I could go leave to catch their segment and they were like "Yes. Just go." so we booked it and then missed it by 3 minutes. RIP. Also I'm pretty sure I'm single handedly responsible for making sure every other kid in the years after me will now have someone else watching their yearly project like a hawk, lmao.
Yeah, not much of a victory story and more of a "wow, you were a real arrogant prick" story
@@ONIMOT100 I disagree. I got everything I wanted. They got results they literally couldn't complain about because my presentation was objectively one of the best ones there AND they learned some valuable lessons on actually following up with people.
Only thing I'd try to change if I could go back in time is that I'd try to ask to leave right after the presentation so we could've caught my siblings' part in their talent show.
Much like paranoia, it's only arrogance if you're wrong and can't back it up.
@@Graysett Wow, you are REALLY not beating the arrogant prick allegations.
Like, did you actually read out loud what you wrote down just now? Maybe if you had you'd pick up on how much a narcissist cunt it makes you come off as.
"Oh I disagree, I got everything I wanted."
"Oh, it's only arrogance when you can't back it up."
Good ol' malicious compliance, lmao
@@ONIMOT100 eh, i'd say it's 50/50. personally, i would have done the thing i wanted and went "yeah, i lied to you, thesis achieved. anyway here's my cool game thing." instead of doing almost nothing.
PUT EL BLAZE IN TEKKEN!
Alfira joins Dark Urge parties, Dark Urge usually ends up killing her.
This is absolutely ridiculous entitled behavior.Just because you invest money you think you can just boss people around. If you have no trust or have issues in how the business is currently doing things why the hell did you invest in the first place.Can you imagine in any other field you go up to like an engineer,doctor,or like a firefighter and just start throwing unsolicited advice that at best might just be a nitpick and at worst they have no idea about the topic and is completely out of touch with reality.
It's deeper than that. They think that, because they have money, they're _smarter than everyone under them._ Because that's what capitalism says! You only get to keep money if you're smart! If you're dumb you lose money (except that when _I_ lose money it's because the dumb idiots under me wouldn't listen to me, or got it wrong, or sabotaged me, or because gamers are too entitled to pay 90 dollars for my AAAA game...)
It's what happens when someone starts from "I'm right" and comes up with an excuse for it, really, which is why you're 100% correct in calling it entitled behavior. Investors think they're the bestest smartest most awesome businesspeople in the world 'cuz they inherited a billion dollars from Daddy, and you'd have to lose a million every year for one hundred years to run out of one billion dollars.
Damn! 👀 Wollie and Pat have grey hairs now!
NO KAGE MENTION!?! BOOOOOO
Moral of the story : investors/shareholders are just parasites that we unfortunately have to deal with because creative projects need funding
Listen to your investors more, dear companies.
So that your breed will be weeded out early.
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Pat talking about how well crypto is working out just for Crazy Talk to activate and crash the entire US stock market. 😂
Frankly I don’t put much weight in the opinions of professional gaming TH-camrs when it comes to business
These chucklefucks make bank though
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But enough to leave a comment about it. K.
I think you mean professional gaming JOURNALISTS?
These chucklef*cks are mad paid tho lol
They make some dumb comments but they are the ones with the money 🙃🥲