I use the peanut butter example. Guy at work, "I don't have a problem with vegans, but why must you make things that look like meat and call things butter and milk that aren't? That should be illegal!" I explain that many vegans still like those things (and often want to take part in cookouts and stuff)...then it's, "Okay, but stop calling it vegan butter and plant milk!" (Ah, to not have so many concerns in life that you can make such a tiny thing a big issue!) Me: "So...what do you call ground peanuts...so ground that they become spreadable?" "Okay...but..." Even when I ate meat, I called the inside of walnuts the "meat" of the walnut. I called the secretions on some plants in my backyard "milk." And now enough friends are lactose intolerant that even they call vegan cheeses "cheese." (And several people I work with [omnivores] like oatmilk more than me! [But it's only when *I* mention something that it becomes, "Why do you call it what it's not?!"])
The whole thing is so silly! I guess maybe it has a little to do with PETA and militant vegans, but I think there's a lot of people experiencing people who happen to be vegan, and it's no big deal. Until people start going nuts🤷♀️ IDK, just a few thoughts. Btw, I said "happen to be vegan" as an interaction, not that people aren't making deliberate choices. In case that came across weird✌️
My parents bought this Earth Balance butter a long time ago. It tastes so so good, and I actually kept buying it myself. At one point, I got my friends to do a butter-off, where we all brought out favorite butters to spread on toast and do a blind taste test. The vegan butter won every round.
All that oil = palm kernel, canola oil is so bad for you. Vegan products and plant base products are so ultra processed. It's the cause for lots of diseases. The best way to cook is using whole food. The standard american diet is so bad. Poor guy here doesn't have knowledge about foods that's healthy.
Not an American. Here in my country, we have a local Vegan Butter made with Cultured Cashew and Vegetable Oils. It is the best butter I have ever eaten in my life. Everyone I have introduced to it, including some carnivore friends, all agree: it is an amazing butter.
Vegetable oils are so bad for you. Just because things are labeled plant base or vegan dosnt mean it's healthy.. it's all ultra processed foods. Full of chemicals.
@@rickfrazierjr Fauxmage Vegan Butter is a dairy-free alternative made with a blend of natural ingredients. The primary components include: Coconut oil Extra virgin olive oil Cashews Water Vegan culture Himalayan salt Sunflower lecithin Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) Annatto
If you go into any Australian supermarket you will find that in the long life milk section 2/3 of the shelf space is taken up by plant milks. Our dairy lobby tried to ban the word "milk" for plant based products on the basis that people were mistakenly buying plant milk believing it to be dairy milk. They got laughed out of the room.
I actually saw the reverse happen once...a vegan buying 'strawberry milk' and thinking it was a plant milk when it was just strawberry flavored cow milk. Felt so bad for that guy. Thankfully most people are not as stupid as the lobbyists want us to be, because that would be a terrifying world.
In the USA a few years a state tried to pass a law that called for a prison sentence for selling a product labeled "meatless meatballs". Land of the free.
Always check your theatre’s online menu before going. Check the ingredients. The popcorn at ours used to be vegan, but out of nowhere they added dairy, without word. This happens to a lot of products everywhere you shop actually. We still check ingredients lists on products we’ve been buying forever and we’ve had to stop buying more than a few.
I agree you have to check. I was going to the movies and eating plain popcorn, then somebody told me that Harkins Movie Theater, here in Arizona, has been using soy butter for over a decade. I doubled check and it was true. AMC Theater also. So no more plain popcorn; unless I choose to eat it that way. 😊
@MsJamiePBD Yep.. and it’s so unnecessary. Here we have the choice between dairy or non dairy butter, but they sneak whey into the popping salt, so you have zero choice whether your popcorn is vegan or not. So frustrating.
You could just pat yourself on the back instead of being a child and laughing at people. It was just a note to anyone who doesn’t know, because many don’t.
It's like vegan milk. "Milk comes the lactation glands of mammals like cows or goats. Vegan milk is not milk". Ah yeah? What about coconut milk ? That has been called like this since 1698. It's a vegan milk !
Miyoko’s definitely has butter down. The cultured oat butter spread is my favorite since my boyfriend is allergic to cashews, and even though he’s not vegan he will use mine when he runs out of his own dairy butter. It smells different than dairy butter but tastes identical (although not as salty as salted dairy butter, so I add more salt when eating on toast or something).
My former father in law was a yellow margarine smuggler across the state line from Montana to South Dakota. Many states made producers dye it pink, brown, or some other unappealing color.
Back in the 80s I worked in a restaurant kitchen and all the items that were “buttered” and grilled were actually using a zero butter product the staff affectionately called “yellow.” As in, put more yellow on there… back then margarine was primitive and had a greasy sticky mouthfeel, like it didn’t fully dissolve in your mouth. The new vegan butter products are just delicious but I’d actually like to see a blind comparison taste test like those done with vegan meats or other vegan products-maybe even with people who use dairy butter to see if they can pick out the vegan one (they would all be vegan).
Stache! You are so trim and slim. I remember you being more husky awhile back. Is this on purpose? Side effect of vegan diet? Hope you are happy and healthy!
Thanks!! Totally on purpose. I started paying attention to my health around 2 years ago and have steadily worked on being a fitter and healthier version!!! I feel amazing! Thank you
What's interesting is that unlike vegan butter, nearly every other type of "butter" mentioned, those not meant to be a substitute for or imitation of dairy butter (peanut, almond, cashew, apple, or shea), are called "butter" for the SECOND definition of butter, which you partially showed in the video but didn't discuss: "2: a buttery substance, such as:" a - any of various fatty oils remaining nearly solid at ordinary temperatures b - a creamy food spread, especially one made of ground roasted nuts (eg, peanut butter)." Those foods are called butter because of their texture, not their flavor, color, or expected usage - so definition 2-b in Merriam-Webster. Vegan butter I believe is more of definition 2-a. Another example of this semantic trick is chamomile tea, which is actually an herbal infusion and contains no tea. That is, unless you use the other, more generic definition of tea: "any of various plants used like tea". Tea purists will still get upset if you call it tea.
Well done, I learned something about margarine and the dairy lobby. I love the Miyoko vegan butter. Thanks for the quick recipe for homemade vegan butter😃.
Kind of reminds me how they banned naming plant based milks as "milk" in Europe, yet if you check on the ingredients section, it will say "oat milk" or "coconut milk" or whatever.
i guess it's not banned in every european country. in germany f.e. it's still labeled as oatmilk, ricemilk etc. tbh. i give a flying frog about the name, the taste and the ingredients matter to me. and to make these alternatives to meat & milk & etc accessible to everyone. for reasons. greetings, my friend! :)
where are you from Delsongirl? i am interessted in the situation in other countries, since travelling without access to good food is always a bummer :D greetings!
@@SuperBalders I'm not from here, but live in Germany. If you're just visiting big cities there's loads of great vegan options and in medium cities plenty as well. As for home cooking, you apart from veggies you can find substitutes for all sorts of animal products, just that you might only find one brand. So if you don't like it for whatever reason you'll have to wait until a competitor comes around! Like vegan butter can be found even at discount shops, but we don't get options like what it's made from or if it's cultured for tangier taste.
@@DelsonGirl ah, i see. i am german myself. and happy i found plantbased butter that perfectly fits my taste. (even better than the OG butter, which i stopped consuming years before i even concidered going vegan :D ) for some products, it's hard to get good quality stuff in countryside locations. but internet exists, you can order the ingredients and storage them, also find tons of interesting reciepes for your kitchen. and to be fair, where in germany is a place without a supermarket? i like to do cooking with friends, and if your friends share your taste, then you can produce your butter once a month together and have a funny day in the kitchen ;-)
Severla years back I did some digging and noted that the dairy industry, as an advocacy group, in the US was allotted some 50 million bucks for Advertising...Just for advertising. I don't know what it is now. But shouldn't we find a bunch of vegan Lawyers to help us advocate for ending these kind of subsidies?
I was going to say it's probably the dairy industry, then you said it. One state tried to pass a law that called for a jail sentence for selling a product called "meatless meatball", because consumers would be tricked into believing they contained meat.
To me a more interesting question - and one I'd love to see you tackle - is what vegan butters emulsify in sauces the way dairy butter does. Or is there a vegan replacement for ghee? That would be super interesting. At a minimum a lot of people may be not fully vegan but are looking to cut out dairy or have dairy sensitivity.
In the "bad" old days, meat was anything that could be eaten including vegetables, ea. food in general. Words are containers we fill with meaning depending on culture, society etc. There are some pitfalls, I would never say vegan hamburger as it implies ham as the ingredient, but a vegan burger is kosher as burger is more on the sandwich form and presentation, put a slice of beefsteak tomato on it and ask if it is still vegan :D
Dude! I found your channel like 7 years ago trying to learn to cook vegan for my wife. We never committed but learned a lot from you and used some of your ideas through the years. Thanks! I’m really commenting because I wanted to congratulate you on your body transformation. You look great today compared to when you started. Honestly. Midway through your transformation I was unsure. Anyway, great job! Would you think about doing a video on the reason you started this journey and why you think it’s better than, say keto?
Its likely that most of the recent influx of comments about vegan butter are coming at you from bot accounts by the dairy industry. You've got a lot of reach on your channel so its a compliment really 💫
I thought people were commenting on the nutritional value of it. But if the ones complaining are not vegan, why bother saying anything at all if they don't use it? To me vegan butter is a type of butter or creamy spread like a nut butter. Don't know why people get upset over vegan butter. And they never tell you why.
a lot of people get defensive when someone fails to validate their way of life--especially when they know that that way of life could be...better, more ethical, healthier.... my sister nearly had kittens when i went vegetarian and then vegan. she absolutely felt threatened by what i wouldn't eat. it took her a while, but she eventually did get over herself. a lot of other people who were only work acquaintances etc. reacted the same way she did, which mystified me because it wasn't like i was going to their homes to visit where they'd have to cook for me. my favorite vegan buttery spread is i can't believe it's not butter--it's soft and spreadable right out of the container, and it's high in omega 3's and is nut-free for when my bestie with nut allergies visits.
Each to their own. Fillet steak, started in tallow & finished in salted, dairy butter is my preference. Local meat is murder...ously expensive but worth every penny. All power to those who choose the V alternatives.
They're upset because they're conservative. Anything that's "wierd" or slightly different from the exact thing they were raised with is automatically BAD in their minds.
How long is your recipe good for in the fridge? And would refined coconut oil work better? And maybe a little vegan yogurt instead of sauerkraut? Just thinking out loud
Meat/dairy industry hates competition. They don't want health alternatives. I will try out the movie theatre pop corn advice. I will ask them if the butter is vegan.
when i see this argument, when its about nut milk at least, i point out that almond milk is heavily used in 'The Forme of Cury' a medieval English cook book, the anti-vegan people tend to try to portray nut milks and vegan meats as new, which they are not, Seitan has been used in the west for more than 2 centuries, and a whole millennium longer in the east, probably more. im not vegan myself, but those jerks annoy me
I don’t subscribe to a vegan diet, but due to my wife;s Alpha-Gal affliction, we have adjusted our food purchases and eating habits. We keep a supply of vegan “butter”, plant based “milk” in the house…and use the vegan “butter” for as a substitute for margarine and butter. I successfully made vegan buttermilk biscuits using non-dairy products; they were delicious-a bit more dense, less fluffy than traditional biscuits but fantastic nonetheless. I even made a vegan chocolate cake…again delicious, just a bit more dense than using dairy. On adjacent topic, vegan “cheese” has come a long way in recent years. I’ve made vegan and pollotarian lasagna for my wife, vegan “cheese” empanadas and omelettes….the vegan cheese we buy melts just like cheese, tastes just like cheese…but it is more expensive.
A lot of people assume only vegans buy plant-based butters, but it can be great for so many different people. The more demand there is for it, the more the prices will come down.
I make my "bread spread" using cooked yellow lentils, a little oil & just enough salt that it doesn't taste bland. I cover it with wax wrap to keep it fresh in the fridge. Easy, cheap, minimal oil & it lasts quite a while. I don't use turmeric to colour it yellow; it's great as it is. If I need mayo I will add some vinegar, sugar, mustard, garlic & onion powder. There's been a global push to squash plant-based products. In my crime- riddled country the police were sent to remove plant based products from store shelves labelled "meat" etc. As if that's going to stop us. Anyway, these products are so expensive now I have to make most things at home now. There are a few products I can't DIY at home, so I use these very frugally (if I can't find a substitute for them).
I’m sorry, did you say the POLICE were called to remove vegan products from a shop?On what grounds? I, for the life of me, will never understand how simply not wanting to harm animals is so triggering for so many people.
@@tyler5545 Products were labelled as "meat" eg chicken-style schnitzel, or beef- style sausages etc. It seems the food lobby - be they dairy or meat etc - have powerful influence in many countries. I suppose it comes with our food supply being privatised & commercialised, and controlled by only a few very large corporations, mostly based in the usa.
Will kombucha will work as fermented product to make the butter? Is something fermented really needed? Thx in advance to any and all responses. BTW my favorite channel, thx for all you present.
Some people unknowingly are afraid to expand their understanding of the world that was set in childhood. "Cream" is a perfect example, people will say cream can only come from dairy. But then not blink at coconut cream and totally accept that because it's been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. So the problem isn't actually about something being animal based or not, it's the fact that something is new to them, and requires expanding a previously held definition. Exact same mechanism as upholding sexism, racism, transphobia etc. Just because it was normalised in one culture in the past, doesn't mean we can't adapt broader understandings in the present. Lest we live as prisoners to the past worst versions of humanity.
"Meat" just means food or the main part of a dish. For some reason this triggers people who don't know the difference between meat and flesh - oh, wait, don't fruits like guava have flesh and things like coconut have meat? Hmm. Weird that people get all etymologically blinkered when it comes to plant based food.
Exactly. I use this reasoning when we sing Good king wenceseles - bring me meat and bring me wine... We are thinking he's just gathering potatoes and stuff. Heh
The original English word "mete" literally just meant food. Later, they used terms like "fleisch mete" or "flesh meat" to refer to it. "Green meat" was green veggies and "white meat" was dairy products. We've only been using "meat" to mean animal flesh foods since the 1300's. A similar thing happened in French.
I get your frustration, but often these comments are made by ignorant people who just need to prove that they are right. When I first turned vegetarian and I was making veg sausages, meatballs, patties etc. to replace the chewiness and protein of meat, people used to laugh and say "if you're trying to make meat, just eat meat". Recently I watched a meat loving keto recipe channel and they were trying to make mashed potato by using eggs. I had to laugh because I can now say, "if you're trying to make vegetables, just eat vegetables". I guess it comes down to the fact that if you're just watching a channel so you can criticise it, then you have way too much time on your hands. Keep up the good work Mark, we appreciate your efforts!
Great video. I love that you blew those childish comments out of the butter vat! You know so much more about it than anyone making those dang comments. Butter on!
It really only matters from an industry standpoint. What you use in terms colloquially or in your common language doesn't really matter. I don't care that he oversimplifies it as if there aren't nuances to it there truly are. Like give an example. Technically a blizzard in dairy Queen cannot be called ice cream. Soft serve is not ice cream but everybody calls it ice cream. And even though he gets annoyed by vegan purism, he literally is using the vegan purism language, like about margarine, some margarine does have buttermilk but not all of it does. And even though it does, it only has like 2%. I'm not a vegan, I'm omnivore so I don't really care but if I were I wouldn't give a crap about 2% or less, vegan butter is expensive ASF.
I love it when meat eaters say call it what it is.....😂 Okay then let's stop calling your food hamburgers, hot dogs, pork, etc Call it what it is- dead animal flesh
Who cares what these products are called - just so long as they taste good…. I’d appreciate it if the complainers just moved on and found something more significant to get hot under their collective collars about. I am so grateful to you for all your generosity is sharing such a wealth of vegan recipe ideas and for talking such good sense about a healthy vegan lifestyle or should that be a ‘healthy non animal-product-consuming’ lifestyle - I wouldn’t want to offend anyone by using the word vegan - would I? Vegan, vegan, vegan! 😊
I think this video format could be good for your channel in addition to the recipe videos. I'd like to see a video comparing vegan products to their non-vegan and the macro differences. People say real "x" is healthier or better than vegan "x" all the time but I'm sure that's not always the case.
I was a big dairy fan too before becoming a vegan and I've found that Naturli vegan butter is fantastic. It melts like dairy butter and tastes like it too. I'm in the UK so not sure where else it is sold.
@@MinicartTSR Thank you! I'll look it up. I appreciate your answer. They say that it's available in Texas, which is A LONG WAY from me, but they say they are adding more stores, so hopefully soon.
First of all, wow, you look like an entirely different person now, good job! Second, great video, it's a really tiring discussion to have, especially online. So it's good to have this video to just send to people
This question may be less in the realm of cooking and more in the realm of chemistry, but do you know if there is anyway to ferment something to maximize the amount of diacetyl it has? As I understand it, diacetyl is what's used in butter flavoring and is something that beer brewers try to minimize. I think it would be cool if there were an accessible fermenting method to make it in order to encourage more DIY experimentation with making plant-based butters.
When I was pregnant, I had severe morning sickness triggered by dairy. For nine months. I can't count the number of times I had to argue Margarine does in fact have dairy in it. You could try to hide it, but my body would know and I'd be sick for a week with nausea and body pains. Smallest amounts would set me off. I am grateful for the vegan community for helping me get through that rough time. Never found a ''Mac and cheese'' dish that hit those marks, but so many creamy dishes were available I didn't miss the macaroni. Maybe you can't milk an almond like a cow, but when you're allergic to the stuff from the cow, the almond stuff doesn't sound too bad. Especially when cheap soy milk is the alternative.
My wife is not even vegan and she prefers the country crock plant butter. We get both the tubs and the sticks, usually the olive oil one but we've tried the coconut oil and the avocado oil ones, too. It's great stuff! She doesn't like the oily mouthfeel of their margarine.
As far as milk though. Well I think it's complicated. This doesn't just extend to well plant base milk. Milk to me should be categorized as two different things. You have milk or milk like replacements, that are supposed to be nutritionally similar. Then you have milk that is either been highly sweetened or plant-based milk that does not meet the nutritional and/ or is sweet. So the classification should be nutritional milk and unsweetened nutritional milk versus sugar milk, unsweetened milk. This would mean in order to qualify as a nutritional milk it has to be either It has to be nutritionally similar, though it can be lightly sweetened if it is a plant base but cannot be more than the sugar amount than whole milk. If it's unsweetened it has to be labeled as so. Thus the category of nutritional unsweetened milk. Sugar milk should be treated as similar to the way that we treat any other unnecessary drinks, and that they should be consumed in moderation or even seldomly. * Another category is fruit milks to me. A fruit milk can only be called fruit milk if it actually has fruit in it. It cannot be called that if it's like strawberry flavored milk. A real fruit milk must have actual strawberries in it. (It tastes heck better)
Here in the good old US of A you can always find out why a policy or program is boosted or destroyed by folowing this old maxim: Always follow the money......always.
I get so butt hurt over how butt hurt people get. FFS who cares what something is called as long as the target consumer knows wtf it is, fruit leather is not leather, the flesh of veg and fruit is not the flesh of an animal, I get annoyed at my fellow brits over the bollocks about beef mince is cottage pie and lamb is shepherds. I have for the last 2 years call cottage pie Alfred, shepherds pie Alf and fish pie Al. You dinnae wanna call something a particular name, then don't, not happy with a vegan sausage being called a sausage, fine call it a soy tube if it makes you happy but I am gonna call anything sausage shaped a sausage, and I have called all spreads like this butter irrelevant of whether it is a butter, plant butter or marg. Just curious as we are all getting bent out of shaped over different names which country has the right name for the flat bread made of just flour, water and a little seasoning? For the love of Barbara Streisland please someone take their finger off this button I am so triggered on, I am spiralling lol
I use Smart Balance Original and it's dairy free and it states that it is a buttery spread. Buttery is defined as having the qualities of butter, such as richness and smoothness. It's vegan and it doesn't say it on the label.
Saw another video where you said to check this video out if we had a problem with vegan butter 😅 I do not have a problem with it but I am noisy... worth the water! I see the struggle is real about this topic. There is vegan butter 😅 its everywhere people are wild
If you ever seen those carnivore tiktoks then they all eat not just meat but also ungodly amounts of butter. Which always feels like such a fakeout but maybe tha connect to how strong the resistance to meat fanatics hearing "vegan butter" is. Butter is supposed to be raw and manly and made from shredded corpses or something.
The technical version of a term and the colloquial use often differ, making language sometimes confusing. Just look at "Hyena butter" that is not what most people think of, but yet it is called butter. Also Don't put Hyena Butter on your toast.... don't put it on anything. Maybe don't even look up what it is.
I really do not understand why people need to troll over the term "vegan butter". I wonder if the same rage would happen if you would talk about something like "pea-guacamole".
Slightly off topic...But the shocking amount of people who have said how can I eat Peanut Butter as a vegan has me really concerned for peoples brain power.
I think the people who complain are just hardcore vegans who know that butter can't be vegan simply because butter can't agree with the doctrine that man should not exploit animals. They probably want you to use "plant-based butter" instead. That's my guess.
Trader Joe's Vegan Butter is delicious with a great buttery taste that's as good as real butter, but it tends to be pretty soft, and if you let it get even slightly above room temp, or even if it sits out at room temp for more than half a day, it starts separating and getting weird.
I use the peanut butter example. Guy at work, "I don't have a problem with vegans, but why must you make things that look like meat and call things butter and milk that aren't? That should be illegal!"
I explain that many vegans still like those things (and often want to take part in cookouts and stuff)...then it's, "Okay, but stop calling it vegan butter and plant milk!" (Ah, to not have so many concerns in life that you can make such a tiny thing a big issue!)
Me: "So...what do you call ground peanuts...so ground that they become spreadable?"
"Okay...but..."
Even when I ate meat, I called the inside of walnuts the "meat" of the walnut. I called the secretions on some plants in my backyard "milk."
And now enough friends are lactose intolerant that even they call vegan cheeses "cheese." (And several people I work with [omnivores] like oatmilk more than me! [But it's only when *I* mention something that it becomes, "Why do you call it what it's not?!"])
Fortunately, most people at work (and in my life) don't make a big deal about the way I've chosen to eat.
Fruit has flesh too
Its SOOO Hard to explain
The whole thing is so silly! I guess maybe it has a little to do with PETA and militant vegans, but I think there's a lot of people experiencing people who happen to be vegan, and it's no big deal. Until people start going nuts🤷♀️ IDK, just a few thoughts.
Btw, I said "happen to be vegan" as an interaction, not that people aren't making deliberate choices. In case that came across weird✌️
I mean, toe cheese isn’t cheese but we still call it that. 😂
My parents bought this Earth Balance butter a long time ago. It tastes so so good, and I actually kept buying it myself. At one point, I got my friends to do a butter-off, where we all brought out favorite butters to spread on toast and do a blind taste test.
The vegan butter won every round.
Watching you casually make HOMEMADE VEGAN BUTTER while chatting about definitions blew my mind. Looks awesome, too!
hahah thank you!! It's super easy to make and comes out REALLY good!!
I’m not vegan and even I’m like “hang on a sec that looks nice” 😂
I'm moving toward eating no animal products so this channel is a treasure. Thanks so much for posting.
Thats awesome!!! Thank you so much!!
@@SauceStache No, thank YOU. Many people want to do it and just don't think it's possible.
Welcome.
You can do it 😀
I'm just going to link this video the next time I get *those comments* in my comment section 😂
hahahaha yes!!! This is the kinda stuff I feel I need to be making now haha
Mary!
I love your channel. You do an outstanding job-so thorough and well-presented.
🤣 @marystestkitchen ❤ you Mary
All that oil = palm kernel, canola oil is so bad for you. Vegan products and plant base products are so ultra processed. It's the cause for lots of diseases. The best way to cook is using whole food. The standard american diet is so bad.
Poor guy here doesn't have knowledge about foods that's healthy.
Not an American. Here in my country, we have a local Vegan Butter made with Cultured Cashew and Vegetable Oils. It is the best butter I have ever eaten in my life. Everyone I have introduced to it, including some carnivore friends, all agree: it is an amazing butter.
What is it called?
@@rickfrazierjr Fauxmage Vegan Butter - they are South African.
Vegetable oils are so bad for you. Just because things are labeled plant base or vegan dosnt mean it's healthy.. it's all ultra processed foods. Full of chemicals.
@@rickfrazierjr Fauxmage Vegan Butter is a dairy-free alternative made with a blend of natural ingredients. The primary components include:
Coconut oil
Extra virgin olive oil
Cashews
Water
Vegan culture
Himalayan salt
Sunflower lecithin
Ascorbic acid (vitamin C)
Annatto
If you go into any Australian supermarket you will find that in the long life milk section 2/3 of the shelf space is taken up by plant milks. Our dairy lobby tried to ban the word "milk" for plant based products on the basis that people were mistakenly buying plant milk believing it to be dairy milk. They got laughed out of the room.
I actually saw the reverse happen once...a vegan buying 'strawberry milk' and thinking it was a plant milk when it was just strawberry flavored cow milk. Felt so bad for that guy. Thankfully most people are not as stupid as the lobbyists want us to be, because that would be a terrifying world.
In the USA a few years a state tried to pass a law that called for a prison sentence for selling a product labeled "meatless meatballs". Land of the free.
@@Toaster-v1zA prison sentence? 😅
Well put, man. It is frustrating how caught up in semantics people can get. Your channel's always good. *high-fives*
If by "semantics" you mean being precise about the meaning of words, then semantics is a _good_ thing. It helps us avoid misunderstanding things.
Always check your theatre’s online menu before going. Check the ingredients. The popcorn at ours used to be vegan, but out of nowhere they added dairy, without word. This happens to a lot of products everywhere you shop actually. We still check ingredients lists on products we’ve been buying forever and we’ve had to stop buying more than a few.
Yup!!! Thats why I did the PSA.. .its ever evolving
I agree you have to check. I was going to the movies and eating plain popcorn, then somebody told me that Harkins Movie Theater, here in Arizona, has been using soy butter for over a decade. I doubled check and it was true. AMC Theater also. So no more plain popcorn; unless I choose to eat it that way. 😊
@MsJamiePBD Yep.. and it’s so unnecessary. Here we have the choice between dairy or non dairy butter, but they sneak whey into the popping salt, so you have zero choice whether your popcorn is vegan or not. So frustrating.
This is your news flash? 😅
You could just pat yourself on the back instead of being a child and laughing at people. It was just a note to anyone who doesn’t know, because many don’t.
Jeebus, it's sad that you had to make this video. But I'm glad you did.
Great video. Miyokos makes some of my favorite plant milk butters.
It's really good!!
I like this version of Sauce Stache.
This is the version I should have always been!!! More on the way!!
It's like vegan milk. "Milk comes the lactation glands of mammals like cows or goats. Vegan milk is not milk".
Ah yeah? What about coconut milk ? That has been called like this since 1698. It's a vegan milk !
Coconut milk is not milk. It is coconut milk.
@@soilmanted That's what I said. It's been called like that for centuries. And nobody disputes it. It's a well established vegan milk.
Miyoko's is still very ahead with their cashew based vegan butter.
It's dang good!!!
Have you tired the Violife butter? Its almost indistinguishable for the real thing.
@@tonyvindett87to me it has that movie theater butter aspect to the flavor so it’s not that versitile to me.
Miyoko’s definitely has butter down. The cultured oat butter spread is my favorite since my boyfriend is allergic to cashews, and even though he’s not vegan he will use mine when he runs out of his own dairy butter. It smells different than dairy butter but tastes identical (although not as salty as salted dairy butter, so I add more salt when eating on toast or something).
@@tonyvindett87I found it to have a weird sweetness to it.
Thank you so much for those precision’s. It is priceless!
I love this new series of videos from you. They crack me up but also have great points! Are you going to name this series of videos?
Your commentary on the dairy industry and marketing was spot on. Manufactured outrage, indeed.
My former father in law was a yellow margarine smuggler across the state line from Montana to South Dakota. Many states made producers dye it pink, brown, or some other unappealing color.
Back in the 80s I worked in a restaurant kitchen and all the items that were “buttered” and grilled were actually using a zero butter product the staff affectionately called “yellow.” As in, put more yellow on there… back then margarine was primitive and had a greasy sticky mouthfeel, like it didn’t fully dissolve in your mouth. The new vegan butter products are just delicious but I’d actually like to see a blind comparison taste test like those done with vegan meats or other vegan products-maybe even with people who use dairy butter to see if they can pick out the vegan one (they would all be vegan).
Stache! You are so trim and slim. I remember you being more husky awhile back. Is this on purpose? Side effect of vegan diet? Hope you are happy and healthy!
Thanks!! Totally on purpose. I started paying attention to my health around 2 years ago and have steadily worked on being a fitter and healthier version!!! I feel amazing! Thank you
What's interesting is that unlike vegan butter, nearly every other type of "butter" mentioned, those not meant to be a substitute for or imitation of dairy butter (peanut, almond, cashew, apple, or shea), are called "butter" for the SECOND definition of butter, which you partially showed in the video but didn't discuss:
"2: a buttery substance, such as:"
a - any of various fatty oils remaining nearly solid at ordinary temperatures
b - a creamy food spread, especially one made of ground roasted nuts (eg, peanut butter)."
Those foods are called butter because of their texture, not their flavor, color, or expected usage - so definition 2-b in Merriam-Webster. Vegan butter I believe is more of definition 2-a.
Another example of this semantic trick is chamomile tea, which is actually an herbal infusion and contains no tea. That is, unless you use the other, more generic definition of tea: "any of various plants used like tea". Tea purists will still get upset if you call it tea.
Well done, I learned something about margarine and the dairy lobby. I love the Miyoko vegan butter. Thanks for the quick recipe for homemade vegan butter😃.
Kind of reminds me how they banned naming plant based milks as "milk" in Europe, yet if you check on the ingredients section, it will say "oat milk" or "coconut milk" or whatever.
i guess it's not banned in every european country. in germany f.e. it's still labeled as oatmilk, ricemilk etc. tbh. i give a flying frog about the name, the taste and the ingredients matter to me. and to make these alternatives to meat & milk & etc accessible to everyone. for reasons. greetings, my friend! :)
My biggest problem with vegan butter is how many more options Americans have than us vegans in other countries. Cultured vegan butter? I wish!
Cultured vegan butter is really really easy to make. Simply add a dash of apple cider vinegar or the juice of sauerkraut. Et voila!
where are you from Delsongirl? i am interessted in the situation in other countries, since travelling without access to good food is always a bummer :D
greetings!
@@BeingReal1 thanks!
@@SuperBalders I'm not from here, but live in Germany. If you're just visiting big cities there's loads of great vegan options and in medium cities plenty as well. As for home cooking, you apart from veggies you can find substitutes for all sorts of animal products, just that you might only find one brand. So if you don't like it for whatever reason you'll have to wait until a competitor comes around! Like vegan butter can be found even at discount shops, but we don't get options like what it's made from or if it's cultured for tangier taste.
@@DelsonGirl ah, i see. i am german myself. and happy i found plantbased butter that perfectly fits my taste. (even better than the OG butter, which i stopped consuming years before i even concidered going vegan :D )
for some products, it's hard to get good quality stuff in countryside locations. but internet exists, you can order the ingredients and storage them, also find tons of interesting reciepes for your kitchen. and to be fair, where in germany is a place without a supermarket?
i like to do cooking with friends, and if your friends share your taste, then you can produce your butter once a month together and have a funny day in the kitchen ;-)
Another lifetime ago I did some work for Dairy Management Inc. The Dairy lobby has a lot of money and is very powerful.
Its wild... they spend a fortune to make sure they dont have competition
No shyt? 🙄😂🤦🏻♀️
Severla years back I did some digging and noted that the dairy industry, as an advocacy group, in the US was allotted some 50 million bucks for Advertising...Just for advertising. I don't know what it is now. But shouldn't we find a bunch of vegan Lawyers to help us advocate for ending these kind of subsidies?
I was going to say it's probably the dairy industry, then you said it. One state tried to pass a law that called for a jail sentence for selling a product called "meatless meatball", because consumers would be tricked into believing they contained meat.
To me a more interesting question - and one I'd love to see you tackle - is what vegan butters emulsify in sauces the way dairy butter does. Or is there a vegan replacement for ghee? That would be super interesting. At a minimum a lot of people may be not fully vegan but are looking to cut out dairy or have dairy sensitivity.
THANK YOU MARK!! For the recipe
LOVED that intro!! I knew where you were going and started laughing when you said “Almond Butter” lol ❤
"Hey, Vegansauce, Michael here!"
lol the first time I came across his channel my first thought was "wait so vsauce is a chef now?"
@@theMad_Artist his channel even has sauce in the name lol
I applaud you for your courage to stand by your opinion with data and a personal perspective! Well done.
Spot on! Next do one on “meat” - very similar topic!
MEAT is coming!!! Thats gong to be a good one, there are SOOO many uses
In the "bad" old days, meat was anything that could be eaten including vegetables, ea. food in general. Words are containers we fill with meaning depending on culture, society etc. There are some pitfalls, I would never say vegan hamburger as it implies ham as the ingredient, but a vegan burger is kosher as burger is more on the sandwich form and presentation, put a slice of beefsteak tomato on it and ask if it is still vegan :D
The inside of fruit is usually called flesh, too!
Love this video and the rest of them too! Keep up the great work 😊
Dude! I found your channel like 7 years ago trying to learn to cook vegan for my wife. We never committed but learned a lot from you and used some of your ideas through the years. Thanks! I’m really commenting because I wanted to congratulate you on your body transformation. You look great today compared to when you started. Honestly. Midway through your transformation I was unsure. Anyway, great job! Would you think about doing a video on the reason you started this journey and why you think it’s better than, say keto?
Brother!! I haven't watched a vid of yours in a little while, I didn't even recognize you! Very inspiring man, thanks for all the great content
Its likely that most of the recent influx of comments about vegan butter are coming at you from bot accounts by the dairy industry. You've got a lot of reach on your channel so its a compliment really 💫
Glad a video like this existed, I needed it long ago when telling my sister.
I thought people were commenting on the nutritional value of it. But if the ones complaining are not vegan, why bother saying anything at all if they don't use it? To me vegan butter is a type of butter or creamy spread like a nut butter. Don't know why people get upset over vegan butter. And they never tell you why.
its wild right... almost no one comments on the nutritional value
Because they don't like being Challenge.
a lot of people get defensive when someone fails to validate their way of life--especially when they know that that way of life could be...better, more ethical, healthier.... my sister nearly had kittens when i went vegetarian and then vegan. she absolutely felt threatened by what i wouldn't eat. it took her a while, but she eventually did get over herself. a lot of other people who were only work acquaintances etc. reacted the same way she did, which mystified me because it wasn't like i was going to their homes to visit where they'd have to cook for me. my favorite vegan buttery spread is i can't believe it's not butter--it's soft and spreadable right out of the container, and it's high in omega 3's and is nut-free for when my bestie with nut allergies visits.
Each to their own. Fillet steak, started in tallow & finished in salted, dairy butter is my preference. Local meat is murder...ously expensive but worth every penny. All power to those who choose the V alternatives.
They're upset because they're conservative. Anything that's "wierd" or slightly different from the exact thing they were raised with is automatically BAD in their minds.
get em Mark
Mostly here to add to engagement, but as much as you've been talking about butter every video I knew this was coming.
How long is your recipe good for in the fridge? And would refined coconut oil work better? And maybe a little vegan yogurt instead of sauerkraut? Just thinking out loud
How do you call a butter jar with wings?
A butterfly. 😅
hahahaha Im so glad someone spotted the butterfly!! hahah
Nice one
Meat/dairy industry hates competition. They don't want health alternatives.
I will try out the movie theatre pop corn advice. I will ask them if the butter is vegan.
Try saying "nondairy". The word "vegan" pushes a lot of people off the deep end! That seems to be a very nasty word in my part of Texas.
when i see this argument, when its about nut milk at least, i point out that almond milk is heavily used in 'The Forme of Cury' a medieval English cook book, the anti-vegan people tend to try to portray nut milks and vegan meats as new, which they are not, Seitan has been used in the west for more than 2 centuries, and a whole millennium longer in the east, probably more.
im not vegan myself, but those jerks annoy me
I don’t subscribe to a vegan diet, but due to my wife;s Alpha-Gal affliction, we have adjusted our food purchases and eating habits. We keep a supply of vegan “butter”, plant based “milk” in the house…and use the vegan “butter” for as a substitute for margarine and butter. I successfully made vegan buttermilk biscuits using non-dairy products; they were delicious-a bit more dense, less fluffy than traditional biscuits but fantastic nonetheless. I even made a vegan chocolate cake…again delicious, just a bit more dense than using dairy. On adjacent topic, vegan “cheese” has come a long way in recent years. I’ve made vegan and pollotarian lasagna for my wife, vegan “cheese” empanadas and omelettes….the vegan cheese we buy melts just like cheese, tastes just like cheese…but it is more expensive.
A lot of people assume only vegans buy plant-based butters, but it can be great for so many different people. The more demand there is for it, the more the prices will come down.
I make my "bread spread" using cooked yellow lentils, a little oil & just enough salt that it doesn't taste bland. I cover it with wax wrap to keep it fresh in the fridge. Easy, cheap, minimal oil & it lasts quite a while. I don't use turmeric to colour it yellow; it's great as it is.
If I need mayo I will add some vinegar, sugar, mustard, garlic & onion powder.
There's been a global push to squash plant-based products. In my crime- riddled country the police were sent to remove plant based products from store shelves labelled "meat" etc. As if that's going to stop us. Anyway, these products are so expensive now I have to make most things at home now. There are a few products I can't DIY at home, so I use these very frugally (if I can't find a substitute for them).
I’m sorry, did you say the POLICE were called to remove vegan products from a shop?On what grounds?
I, for the life of me, will never understand how simply not wanting to harm animals is so triggering for so many people.
@@tyler5545 Products were labelled as "meat" eg chicken-style schnitzel, or beef- style sausages etc. It seems the food lobby - be they dairy or meat etc - have powerful influence in many countries. I suppose it comes with our food supply being privatised & commercialised, and controlled by only a few very large corporations, mostly based in the usa.
I love your videos so much Mark! Haha keep up the good work. By the way, everything is controversial. Lol humans simply love drama.
Will kombucha will work as fermented product to make the butter? Is something fermented really needed? Thx in advance to any and all responses. BTW my favorite channel, thx for all you present.
Man you are one my favorite content creators. I hope you re-make Chef TJ’s vegan stretchy cheese recipe 🤞🏼 one day
Some people unknowingly are afraid to expand their understanding of the world that was set in childhood. "Cream" is a perfect example, people will say cream can only come from dairy. But then not blink at coconut cream and totally accept that because it's been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. So the problem isn't actually about something being animal based or not, it's the fact that something is new to them, and requires expanding a previously held definition. Exact same mechanism as upholding sexism, racism, transphobia etc. Just because it was normalised in one culture in the past, doesn't mean we can't adapt broader understandings in the present. Lest we live as prisoners to the past worst versions of humanity.
"Meat" just means food or the main part of a dish. For some reason this triggers people who don't know the difference between meat and flesh - oh, wait, don't fruits like guava have flesh and things like coconut have meat? Hmm. Weird that people get all etymologically blinkered when it comes to plant based food.
Exactly. I use this reasoning when we sing Good king wenceseles - bring me meat and bring me wine... We are thinking he's just gathering potatoes and stuff. Heh
The original English word "mete" literally just meant food. Later, they used terms like "fleisch mete" or "flesh meat" to refer to it. "Green meat" was green veggies and "white meat" was dairy products. We've only been using "meat" to mean animal flesh foods since the 1300's. A similar thing happened in French.
You have the fan base, it was about time to start some vegan discussions. PS we've always called coconut milk... well coconut milk, nobody cared.
I get your frustration, but often these comments are made by ignorant people who just need to prove that they are right. When I first turned vegetarian and I was making veg sausages, meatballs, patties etc. to replace the chewiness and protein of meat, people used to laugh and say "if you're trying to make meat, just eat meat". Recently I watched a meat loving keto recipe channel and they were trying to make mashed potato by using eggs. I had to laugh because I can now say, "if you're trying to make vegetables, just eat vegetables". I guess it comes down to the fact that if you're just watching a channel so you can criticise it, then you have way too much time on your hands. Keep up the good work Mark, we appreciate your efforts!
Great video. I love that you blew those childish comments out of the butter vat! You know so much more about it than anyone making those dang comments. Butter on!
well said
Thank you!!
Wow a bonus along with this advise vid you share a couple of awesome vegan recipes with us vegan butter and vegan pizza 🤤
I try to avoid people who try to start fights over something as stupid as what foods are called.
It really only matters from an industry standpoint. What you use in terms colloquially or in your common language doesn't really matter.
I don't care that he oversimplifies it as if there aren't nuances to it there truly are. Like give an example. Technically a blizzard in dairy Queen cannot be called ice cream. Soft serve is not ice cream but everybody calls it ice cream. And even though he gets annoyed by vegan purism, he literally is using the vegan purism language, like about margarine, some margarine does have buttermilk but not all of it does. And even though it does, it only has like 2%. I'm not a vegan, I'm omnivore so I don't really care but if I were I wouldn't give a crap about 2% or less, vegan butter is expensive ASF.
I love it when meat eaters say call it what it is.....😂
Okay then let's stop calling your food hamburgers, hot dogs, pork, etc
Call it what it is- dead animal flesh
Who cares what these products are called - just so long as they taste good…. I’d appreciate it if the complainers just moved on and found something more significant to get hot under their collective collars about.
I am so grateful to you for all your generosity is sharing such a wealth of vegan recipe ideas and for talking such good sense about a healthy vegan lifestyle or should that be a ‘healthy non animal-product-consuming’ lifestyle - I wouldn’t want to offend anyone by using the word vegan - would I? Vegan, vegan, vegan! 😊
hey you are looking great btw, congrats on your fitness journey!
I think this video format could be good for your channel in addition to the recipe videos. I'd like to see a video comparing vegan products to their non-vegan and the macro differences. People say real "x" is healthier or better than vegan "x" all the time but I'm sure that's not always the case.
Can lactic acid be used instead of the sauerkraut juice?
I really like butter (real butter!). I've never tried vegan butter. What is the best "butter" taste in vegan (your opinion please)
I was a big dairy fan too before becoming a vegan and I've found that Naturli vegan butter is fantastic. It melts like dairy butter and tastes like it too. I'm in the UK so not sure where else it is sold.
@@MinicartTSR Thank you! I'll look it up. I appreciate your answer. They say that it's available in Texas, which is A LONG WAY from me, but they say they are adding more stores, so hopefully soon.
@@karleedu I hope so, it's amazing - maybe you can get it online? They do the hard pack or the spreadable type 😃👍
You´re looking so good! Love the channel. Gonna go make myself some vegan butter now ;)
i've just realized that is the same recipe as a vegan mayo, but with an oil that firms up at room temperature :O
First of all, wow, you look like an entirely different person now, good job!
Second, great video, it's a really tiring discussion to have, especially online. So it's good to have this video to just send to people
This question may be less in the realm of cooking and more in the realm of chemistry, but do you know if there is anyway to ferment something to maximize the amount of diacetyl it has? As I understand it, diacetyl is what's used in butter flavoring and is something that beer brewers try to minimize. I think it would be cool if there were an accessible fermenting method to make it in order to encourage more DIY experimentation with making plant-based butters.
When I was pregnant, I had severe morning sickness triggered by dairy. For nine months.
I can't count the number of times I had to argue Margarine does in fact have dairy in it. You could try to hide it, but my body would know and I'd be sick for a week with nausea and body pains. Smallest amounts would set me off.
I am grateful for the vegan community for helping me get through that rough time. Never found a ''Mac and cheese'' dish that hit those marks, but so many creamy dishes were available I didn't miss the macaroni.
Maybe you can't milk an almond like a cow, but when you're allergic to the stuff from the cow, the almond stuff doesn't sound too bad. Especially when cheap soy milk is the alternative.
Great video - thanks for making these points. (What was it Shakespeare wrote? "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.")
My wife is not even vegan and she prefers the country crock plant butter. We get both the tubs and the sticks, usually the olive oil one but we've tried the coconut oil and the avocado oil ones, too. It's great stuff! She doesn't like the oily mouthfeel of their margarine.
Thank you so much.
Yeah great video, as always
Thank you so much!!
Thanks for your work. And you look great.
That's my favorite vegan butter
I learned a lot! Thanks man!
As far as milk though. Well I think it's complicated. This doesn't just extend to well plant base milk. Milk to me should be categorized as two different things. You have milk or milk like replacements, that are supposed to be nutritionally similar.
Then you have milk that is either been highly sweetened or plant-based milk that does not meet the nutritional and/ or is sweet.
So the classification should be nutritional milk and unsweetened nutritional milk versus sugar milk, unsweetened milk.
This would mean in order to qualify as a nutritional milk it has to be either It has to be nutritionally similar, though it can be lightly sweetened if it is a plant base but cannot be more than the sugar amount than whole milk. If it's unsweetened it has to be labeled as so. Thus the category of nutritional unsweetened milk.
Sugar milk should be treated as similar to the way that we treat any other unnecessary drinks, and that they should be consumed in moderation or even seldomly.
* Another category is fruit milks to me. A fruit milk can only be called fruit milk if it actually has fruit in it. It cannot be called that if it's like strawberry flavored milk. A real fruit milk must have actual strawberries in it. (It tastes heck better)
Another awesome video!
What immersion blender are you using?
Here in the good old US of A you can always find out why a policy or program is boosted or destroyed by folowing this old maxim: Always follow the money......always.
I get so butt hurt over how butt hurt people get. FFS who cares what something is called as long as the target consumer knows wtf it is, fruit leather is not leather, the flesh of veg and fruit is not the flesh of an animal, I get annoyed at my fellow brits over the bollocks about beef mince is cottage pie and lamb is shepherds. I have for the last 2 years call cottage pie Alfred, shepherds pie Alf and fish pie Al. You dinnae wanna call something a particular name, then don't, not happy with a vegan sausage being called a sausage, fine call it a soy tube if it makes you happy but I am gonna call anything sausage shaped a sausage, and I have called all spreads like this butter irrelevant of whether it is a butter, plant butter or marg. Just curious as we are all getting bent out of shaped over different names which country has the right name for the flat bread made of just flour, water and a little seasoning?
For the love of Barbara Streisland please someone take their finger off this button I am so triggered on, I am spiralling lol
Okay Lad.
@@mrcocoloco7200 Come on lass you gotta agree that it is such a silly argument. At least I know I am triggered by it all I guess lol
I use Smart Balance Original and it's dairy free and it states that it is a buttery spread. Buttery is defined as having the qualities of butter, such as richness and smoothness. It's vegan and it doesn't say it on the label.
Word. 💜
Thanx for clearing that up. I hope some of the people that don’t understand it will now !
I love this video. I guess when one has no legitimate argument, one resorts to arguing semantics.
When I click the link to your website and search 'vegan butter' it takes me back to the youtube video. Do you have this recipe posted? I can't find it
Miyoko Vegan butter I think is the best tasting
Saw another video where you said to check this video out if we had a problem with vegan butter 😅 I do not have a problem with it but I am noisy... worth the water! I see the struggle is real about this topic. There is vegan butter 😅 its everywhere people are wild
If you ever seen those carnivore tiktoks then they all eat not just meat but also ungodly amounts of butter. Which always feels like such a fakeout but maybe tha connect to how strong the resistance to meat fanatics hearing "vegan butter" is. Butter is supposed to be raw and manly and made from shredded corpses or something.
I actually make some of my VEGAN BUTTER with de-scented cocoa butter cuz it's the best for pastry. 😁
The technical version of a term and the colloquial use often differ, making language sometimes confusing. Just look at "Hyena butter" that is not what most people think of, but yet it is called butter. Also Don't put Hyena Butter on your toast.... don't put it on anything. Maybe don't even look up what it is.
I really do not understand why people need to troll over the term "vegan butter". I wonder if the same rage would happen if you would talk about something like "pea-guacamole".
Vegan butter is some good stuff. Pan cooked some corn in butter in a skillet, had it in a cup with some vegan mayo and seasoning, really good stuff.
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Slightly off topic...But the shocking amount of people who have said how can I eat Peanut Butter as a vegan has me really concerned for peoples brain power.
I'm greatful I've never heard this one before.
I think the people who complain are just hardcore vegans who know that butter can't be vegan simply because butter can't agree with the doctrine that man should not exploit animals. They probably want you to use "plant-based butter" instead. That's my guess.
Trader Joe's Vegan Butter is delicious with a great buttery taste that's as good as real butter, but it tends to be pretty soft, and if you let it get even slightly above room temp, or even if it sits out at room temp for more than half a day, it starts separating and getting weird.
I LOVE Miyoko’s vegan butter!!!!!!!!❤❤❤
Butter recipe at 2:40 Thanks, Stache
Great video!