I always thought Patsy saying “thank you, that was great” at Ray Curto’s birthday party was facetious/ sarcastic, did anyone else interpret it like that? This is the first time I’ve heard someone say that he was in agreement with Tony’s speech in an attempt to tow the company line.
Definitely sarcasm. He was already very bitter by this point; he did whatever was required to appease Tony, but you can see the contempt he had for him in his eyes.
Personally, I think it was fourth wall sarcasm. The audience knew what he meant, but as far as the people at the table were concerned, thats a different story. Could be wrong though
It was absolutely sarcasm. No one at the table would have had issue with him being sarcastic, because of the tension with the Tony B situation. No one in the family really agreed with Tony's decision, so Patsy would be in the clear to make a sarcastic remark.
Deff sarcastic but maybe fourth wall 2. The way Patsi turned and loojed straight at the carema while all at the table were almost motionless speaks to that.
1:40 I always liked this scene where all the other guys (minus Tony, of course) are, in their own way, trying to get him to not think so negatively and letting Patsy know that they care for him and would be wounded if he died.
I always saw them as frustrated with this statement, defintley baffled but moreso bothered. I perceived them as just trying to shut down that negative conversation and shut him up
I don't think that Patsy was machiavellian, in essence. He always seemed to me as one who was just following orders and doing what he needed to get by, not one who secretly schemed to acquire the Boss position. His character is one that is consistently stable, but then suffers an extreme trauma and subsequently seeks vengeance; more of a 'scorned employee' than a long-game schemer. I think this is mirrored in his near-attempt to kill Tony; how after he breaks down and chooses not to shoot him, he pees in his pool in an act of desperation and (comically) the spirit of revenge. If I am wrong, and he was actually going for the throne, then he was a very poor example of machiavellian thought and planning. But I still enjoy the theory that he had Tony killed! Lol
I’m watching the episode where Pat points the gun at Tony and pees in his pool. I think he killed Tony. I think he was distraught over his brother being killed. It was obvious he couldn’t let it go. He attempted it once. I think he was behind it.
*Patsy was just a man who knew his place but ALWAYS hold his grown...he was just a soldier and nothing more, his story is about the curse of the code...*
I believe he held that same energy he had against Tony until NY was ready to make moves. Paulie had secured relative protection from NY so I think when Sil got killed Patsy linked with Paulie and made Pualie underboss and Pasquale move to #1 when Fat tony got whacked
I knew it. Something about the way he was gonna do Gloria in, that told me he's the most vicious as well as cunning. Not a by the book definition but definitely what the writers of the show would be goin for. This is a good series.
All the treachery and intrigue of the series is a lot like what the Roman’s went through with civil wars and assassinations and betrayals to be emperors or consuls
Tony should have offed Patsy the second he thought of killing Spoons. Why leave your back to man that wants to kill you or ask someone to guard you when he is okay with you murdering their twin brother? Tony thought he was smarter then everyone as if he was the only one that knew how to play a act.
@@gustavoalmanza2673 I think Tony’s issue is that if you fed into his bullshit you can get away with a lot. A part of me thinks Patsy worked with Carlo “flipping” to get Tony more paranoid.
@@wmarshal2802 Patsy WAS loyal and low-key. He played his part well in the organization. It's Tony that was a horrible boss According to the strongest theory on who killed Tony, NY and the Lupertazzi's elected Patsy to be boss in NJ once they took out Tony
Hey SS have you watched Boardwalk Empire at all? it would be a massive investment to try and watch the whole series but given your interest in Real Mobsters and your good Character Dissections it would definitely provide some good Material for this channel IMO
Writing-wise, I think Patsy makes a good fit to kill Tony. Patsy's brother being killed is a prominent moment, however, Patsy himself is still very much a side character throughout the series. A running theme throughout the Sopranos involves the mob's ever disintegrating rule and the chaos that ensues. Just look at previous assassination attempts, on Tony himself and Christopher: Two hired, impatient thugs, and likewise two misguided guys trying to make a name for themselves with Christopher. These aren't "Caesar" moments, they're realistic, messy jobs and the guy that pissed into Tony's pool kind of fits that bill. Although he showed "restraint" previously, he's been shown to be emotionally unstable making it very likely for him to be capable of whacking Tony, regardless of the consequences. I think a Machiavellian framework is a good way to evaluate effectiveness and possible shortcomings, although for the Sopranos the characters almost contradict these principles as part of their identity; Junior's ineffective leadership, for example. In a way, the Sopranos' characters sabotage their own decision making by harkening to a real or imagined past, such as their attachment to their Italian ancestry or the old mob. Their displays of machismo, honor, etc., while sometimes necessary for the cohesion of "Our thing," are at odds with survival in the 21st century. It doesn't help that they're constantly in states of cognitive dissonance. That is to say, the ideals they espouse and these displays of manliness are entirely performative in the face of the clandestine ways they live their lives.
your last paragraph is what the whole last episode is really about. Junior and Tony's dad "ran the city", and Junior's addled line "that's nice" is all it amounts to. Tony, desperate for the validation of the men in his life who imparted the values of machismo etc, seems to recognize the implications this has for him and those in the life, but it's far too late. that's also why there's so much emphasis on scenes where he discusses his values with his kids, who are focused outward towards the world, social unrest, terrorism, foreign wars, etc. and AJ discovers an "old world" different from his father's in the car at the start of the episode (Bob Dylan on the radio and Rhiannon talking to him about it). Rhiannon herself was probably named for this scene or the idea behind it, as "Rhiannon" is also the name of a Fleetwood Mac song.
People seem to not realize the prince I'd a satire not an instruction manual. Back then you couldn't openly critique certain things so they would hide what they really meant in plain site. The prince was mocking the rulers at the time who felt they were good.
No it wasnt. Thats a relatively modern interpretation based largely on Stacey Kniatt's thesis. Some of the plays that he wrote were comedic though. Thanks for watching and commenting! Greatly appreciated! Do you think it was? If so, what about it made you think so? Always enjoy getting a philosophical discussion going
@@bullywhispers9544 I feel like based on what Macheveli went through in his life the prince being a satire or parody makes alot of sense. Why would someone who has been through what he went through write a manual so those people who imprisoned him could stay in charge? Seems more likely he would secretly mock them especially given the times.
Okay let's get one thing straight right now, because it seems you got it in your head that Tony soprano got killed at the end of the series. I don't know if you heard but the director was going to have that happen, key word here is WAS! Then he changed his mind and he did what he did had it go to Black, because he wanted the viewers to think about what could have happened to him. But ultimately you asked him he'll tell you yes he lived. I know you'd like to think you're a big fan and all but, at the end of the day the creators know best.
@@patman0250 doesn't matter if he lived. Tony's story was basically over, and he was on his way out. His downfall was happening, even if he got shot or not. At that point, him getting shot would have been a mercy kill. He was wary of New York, Carlo was ratting him out to the feds, and only two old timers we can remember are left, Paulie and Patsy. Patsy doesn't like Tony, and Paulie felt for a while that his favor with Tony was fading quickly. This was the end of the line, and there was no way he could make a come back.
@@patman0250 If Tony didn't die then he went to prison for life, Carlo knew a lot more than the other informants the feds had before. But it's really clear in that scene the members only assassin shot Tony in the end from 3 o'clock coming from the bathroom. Tony died
maybe he's teasing the audience or was leaving himself the opportunity at the time to go back to the show should he decide to. Otherwise I don't know why there would an inclusion of the scene where Tony is talking to Bobby and what Happens when you die, or in the same episode where he hears the bell chime like with the resturant door. Maybe this was set up because the director wanted Tony to die but didn't explictly want to kill him (Can imagine it's hard for any writer to outright kill a character they've had creative input on for seven plus years.) Sort of like a schrodinger's Mobster scenario. He's neither Dead or alive Because there's no definitive confirmation.
You do know Patsy was being sarcastic at Raymond's dinner? If Patsy was one who had T killed A)he wouldn't be at Bing on front lines with Sil during mob war B) with son marrying T his career only could go up as far as hes concerned. I think people running out of things to say about Sopranos so they look for things not there
What was supposed to do? Let New York destroy the shop? Tony or no Tony, he was a Jersey Mobster. As to his son that made him more suspect as his son probably knew Tony was meeting Meadow at the diner
your whole argument is invalid because your tart it off with patsi was being sarcastic at Raymond's dinner. when he said that was great wasn't it. being sarcastic there applies that he's frustrated. your beggining point makes no fucking sense.
He did move up in power, he became the new boss after he and Paulie took Tony out, with help from NY and the Lupertazzi's, they elected Patsy to be the boss in NJ in place of Tony because he wasn't a paranoid psycho like Tony
Decent episode. I have to say though that that girl AJ was with (Rhiannon) dimed out the Sopranos family to NYC. I doubt that Patsy played any role in it.
No, that theory came fairly recently and is largely derived from Stacey Kniatt's thesis (a couple others as well). It was not a satire, it was a genuine political theory, although it was written as an attempt to win favor, which failed miserably
I dont think it was patsy, I recon it was butch. The guy that started the war and had no connection except hatred and fued with the sopranos. Patsy had beef but he had nothing to gain from killing tony unless theres a hierarchy im unaware of. Besides if he wanted tony dead he would have done it earlier i feel, why wait so long even during the war with new york. Besides he wasnt a schemer as demonstrated with the pool pissing scene.
He was drunk when he peed in Tony's pool, not exactly in his perfect state of mind. Ofc Patsy had something to gain, revenge for his twin brother's murder
To be honest I could see Patsy and Paulie being involved somehow with Butch being behind it, I always did wonder considering his name is Patsy. Involve him, get him emotionally riled up enough to do most of the dirty work and stand back and reap the rewards. I don't think it's a clear cut either or situation to be honest.
Tony didn't die in the last ep. He was respected for what he did to Coco. Butch was old school like Tony and Coco initiated the attack... Tony was all about business and so was Butchie... They teamed up... is EVERYONE stupid
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Sorry everyone, I had to re-edit this a bit and then repost.
Thanks Street.. it was a very 'Cinematic' upload.
Patsy had Tony killed
Peeing in Tony's pool is a move so complex and devious, we will never truly understand. He was light years ahead of everyone.
Sigma male
Passive aggressive
How is it complex?
best sopranos comment i read in a long time!
I thought it was a weird thing to do.. you know AJ probably pissed in the pool everytime he swam so it didn't really make a difference, lol.
Maybe he been reading Sun Tizoo the Chinese Matchiabelli. Word to the wise, a good commander is benevolent is unconcerned with fame!
Word to the wise…remember Pearl Harbor.
Just LOL’d!
Commandatori
Maybe Sun Tizoo's wise words led the Russian to kill 16 Czechoslovakians and become an interior decorator
The Chinese Prince Matchiabelli
Later in life Machiavelli became a renowned sculptor, often his statues had water features depicting urination so ... yeah
the tide tables turn deeper
I always liked this guy's character, Patsy was interesting. Definitely a passive aggressive move pissing in the pool LOL.
That’s more just aggressive, ain’t it?
Patsy loved Tony like a brother-in-law
No he didn't. Patsy hated Tony with a passion. What are you talking about?
@@TotalTech2. It's a reference, for when Phil killed Vito and told Vito's wife that he loved him like a brother-in-law...
@@njael2983 Oh. Haha
Patsy played a long game and it really paid at the end
I always thought Patsy saying “thank you, that was great” at Ray Curto’s birthday party was facetious/ sarcastic, did anyone else interpret it like that? This is the first time I’ve heard someone say that he was in agreement with Tony’s speech in an attempt to tow the company line.
Definitely sarcasm. He was already very bitter by this point; he did whatever was required to appease Tony, but you can see the contempt he had for him in his eyes.
Personally, I think it was fourth wall sarcasm. The audience knew what he meant, but as far as the people at the table were concerned, thats a different story. Could be wrong though
It was absolutely sarcasm. No one at the table would have had issue with him being sarcastic, because of the tension with the Tony B situation. No one in the family really agreed with Tony's decision, so Patsy would be in the clear to make a sarcastic remark.
Deff sarcastic but maybe fourth wall 2. The way Patsi turned and loojed straight at the carema while all at the table were almost motionless speaks to that.
It was very well acted, it was clearly sarcastic but toned just enough to have plausible deniability that he was being sincere.
Definitely one of the smartest guys in the jersey crew
And that’s saying something.
This channel is like another friend I have the loves the Sopranos as much as I do, I enjoy your takes on the show.
I’d say very since he survived everything. Including when Silvio got shot.
Ud think machiavelli would've had some rule 4 peeing in pools considering living in Renaissance italy
1:40 I always liked this scene where all the other guys (minus Tony, of course) are, in their own way, trying to get him to not think so negatively and letting Patsy know that they care for him and would be wounded if he died.
I always saw them as frustrated with this statement, defintley baffled but moreso bothered. I perceived them as just trying to shut down that negative conversation and shut him up
Interesting fact, the character of Philly Parissi(spoons) was played by the same actor that played pasty
Lol
No way, they don't look that alike
damn, you learn something new every day
Nah that's Dan Grimaldi's brother Daniel Grimaldi
What?
I heard the actress who played Jeanie Cusamano, also played her sister Joan.
What are the chances of that happening twice in the same series?
I don't think that Patsy was machiavellian, in essence. He always seemed to me as one who was just following orders and doing what he needed to get by, not one who secretly schemed to acquire the Boss position. His character is one that is consistently stable, but then suffers an extreme trauma and subsequently seeks vengeance; more of a 'scorned employee' than a long-game schemer. I think this is mirrored in his near-attempt to kill Tony; how after he breaks down and chooses not to shoot him, he pees in his pool in an act of desperation and (comically) the spirit of revenge.
If I am wrong, and he was actually going for the throne, then he was a very poor example of machiavellian thought and planning. But I still enjoy the theory that he had Tony killed! Lol
I’m watching the episode where Pat points the gun at Tony and pees in his pool. I think he killed Tony. I think he was distraught over his brother being killed. It was obvious he couldn’t let it go. He attempted it once. I think he was behind it.
Patsy killed Tony along with Paulie's aid.
They plotted with NY and the Lupertazzi's to take out Tony, and Patsy was elected to replace Tony as boss in NJ and Pauli his captain
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess You mean a dummy Boss working for NY?
@@Leonardo_No_Cardio Sure, they wanted a more cooperative organization in NJ. Tony's crew was too reckless and cruel for no reason
Interesting film fact….. the actor who played patsy was also in the classic 80’s film Roadhouse
What part?
@@peteyprimo7173 I see no record of this. Although he apparently played a different character on Law And Order every few weeks.
*Patsy was just a man who knew his place but ALWAYS hold his grown...he was just a soldier and nothing more, his story is about the curse of the code...*
Sun Tazoo, he's the Chinese Prince Macha-belli.
I believe he held that same energy he had against Tony until NY was ready to make moves. Paulie had secured relative protection from NY so I think when Sil got killed Patsy linked with Paulie and made Pualie underboss and Pasquale move to #1 when Fat tony got whacked
His brother died because he knew the rules and violated them. Patsy understood this.
What an amazing channel - Thank you!
I knew it. Something about the way he was gonna do Gloria in, that told me he's the most vicious as well as cunning. Not a by the book definition but definitely what the writers of the show would be goin for.
This is a good series.
All the treachery and intrigue of the series is a lot like what the Roman’s went through with civil wars and assassinations and betrayals to be emperors or consuls
“…On ARGUABLY Tony’s last day….”
The more I watch these Machiavellian videos, the more I realise that Michael Corleone is 100% Machiavellian
Great breakdown. 👍
Tony should have offed Patsy the second he thought of killing Spoons. Why leave your back to man that wants to kill you or ask someone to guard you when he is okay with you murdering their twin brother? Tony thought he was smarter then everyone as if he was the only one that knew how to play a act.
Ironically it was very un-Machiavellian of Tony to not kill Patsi
@@gustavoalmanza2673 I think Tony’s issue is that if you fed into his bullshit you can get away with a lot. A part of me thinks Patsy worked with Carlo “flipping” to get Tony more paranoid.
No need. They'd already lost enough people, and Patsy was a level-headed, good earner and soldier. It'd be a waste if he was loyal.
@@tacitus6384 patsy wasn’t loyal, he was a gangster, Tony should have known his loyalty only went as far as he needed Tony to feed his kids
@@wmarshal2802 Patsy WAS loyal and low-key. He played his part well in the organization. It's Tony that was a horrible boss
According to the strongest theory on who killed Tony, NY and the Lupertazzi's elected Patsy to be boss in NJ once they took out Tony
Hey SS have you watched Boardwalk Empire at all? it would be a massive investment to try and watch the whole series but given your interest in Real Mobsters and your good Character Dissections it would definitely provide some good Material for this channel IMO
Great show
Great video man
Thanks!
Such a great video! Thanks 🙏🏽
He was passive aggressive
8:52 always with the scenarios
Maybe he was named Patsy by David Chase on purpose
Paulie was the co-conspirator as confirmed by Dan Grimaldi
Source???
Writing-wise, I think Patsy makes a good fit to kill Tony. Patsy's brother being killed is a prominent moment, however, Patsy himself is still very much a side character throughout the series. A running theme throughout the Sopranos involves the mob's ever disintegrating rule and the chaos that ensues. Just look at previous assassination attempts, on Tony himself and Christopher: Two hired, impatient thugs, and likewise two misguided guys trying to make a name for themselves with Christopher. These aren't "Caesar" moments, they're realistic, messy jobs and the guy that pissed into Tony's pool kind of fits that bill. Although he showed "restraint" previously, he's been shown to be emotionally unstable making it very likely for him to be capable of whacking Tony, regardless of the consequences.
I think a Machiavellian framework is a good way to evaluate effectiveness and possible shortcomings, although for the Sopranos the characters almost contradict these principles as part of their identity; Junior's ineffective leadership, for example. In a way, the Sopranos' characters sabotage their own decision making by harkening to a real or imagined past, such as their attachment to their Italian ancestry or the old mob. Their displays of machismo, honor, etc., while sometimes necessary for the cohesion of "Our thing," are at odds with survival in the 21st century. It doesn't help that they're constantly in states of cognitive dissonance. That is to say, the ideals they espouse and these displays of manliness are entirely performative in the face of the clandestine ways they live their lives.
That was great. Thank you.
Patsy had Tony killed
your last paragraph is what the whole last episode is really about. Junior and Tony's dad "ran the city", and Junior's addled line "that's nice" is all it amounts to. Tony, desperate for the validation of the men in his life who imparted the values of machismo etc, seems to recognize the implications this has for him and those in the life, but it's far too late. that's also why there's so much emphasis on scenes where he discusses his values with his kids, who are focused outward towards the world, social unrest, terrorism, foreign wars, etc. and AJ discovers an "old world" different from his father's in the car at the start of the episode (Bob Dylan on the radio and Rhiannon talking to him about it). Rhiannon herself was probably named for this scene or the idea behind it, as "Rhiannon" is also the name of a Fleetwood Mac song.
People seem to not realize the prince I'd a satire not an instruction manual. Back then you couldn't openly critique certain things so they would hide what they really meant in plain site. The prince was mocking the rulers at the time who felt they were good.
No it wasnt. Thats a relatively modern interpretation based largely on Stacey Kniatt's thesis. Some of the plays that he wrote were comedic though. Thanks for watching and commenting! Greatly appreciated! Do you think it was? If so, what about it made you think so? Always enjoy getting a philosophical discussion going
@@bullywhispers9544 I feel like based on what Macheveli went through in his life the prince being a satire or parody makes alot of sense. Why would someone who has been through what he went through write a manual so those people who imprisoned him could stay in charge? Seems more likely he would secretly mock them especially given the times.
Luckily Machiavelli didn’t require being cinematic
How about a Jimmy Conway from Goodfellas Machiavellian video? Please. Tommy DeVito and Henry Hill don't strike as very Machiavellian. Many thanks!
U should do Larry barrisi or his nephew Albert Ali boy barrisi
"Maybe your a flambè"
Had Patsy become boss, Paulie would’ve been a solid number 2.
Wouldn't Paulie be an issue for him!!
Possibly
what if someone, like the manager... was assaulted ...lol
Fibre-optic cable. High-speed internet access.
A prince doesn’t pee in a pool drunk or not
Hmmm this channel is actually useful.
He was the real masters
I thought his name was Matchabelli
Yes
It's called parasitic truthfully yet Machevellian is very a romantic term
So....
Parasite bug or bold soldier,?
Paraugboldier
There's something about this character thats really unlikeable
the guy is in the can.. you wanna keep him happy maybe ?
Pat might be a Flambe
Tony didn't die
Okay let's get one thing straight right now, because it seems you got it in your head that Tony soprano got killed at the end of the series. I don't know if you heard but the director was going to have that happen, key word here is WAS! Then he changed his mind and he did what he did had it go to Black, because he wanted the viewers to think about what could have happened to him. But ultimately you asked him he'll tell you yes he lived. I know you'd like to think you're a big fan and all but, at the end of the day the creators know best.
tony died lol
@@Momofan69 You know this is opposite day right. So thank you for agreeing with me.
@@patman0250 doesn't matter if he lived. Tony's story was basically over, and he was on his way out. His downfall was happening, even if he got shot or not. At that point, him getting shot would have been a mercy kill.
He was wary of New York, Carlo was ratting him out to the feds, and only two old timers we can remember are left, Paulie and Patsy. Patsy doesn't like Tony, and Paulie felt for a while that his favor with Tony was fading quickly. This was the end of the line, and there was no way he could make a come back.
@@patman0250 If Tony didn't die then he went to prison for life, Carlo knew a lot more than the other informants the feds had before.
But it's really clear in that scene the members only assassin shot Tony in the end from 3 o'clock coming from the bathroom. Tony died
maybe he's teasing the audience or was leaving himself the opportunity at the time to go back to the show should he decide to. Otherwise I don't know why there would an inclusion of the scene where Tony is talking to Bobby and what Happens when you die, or in the same episode where he hears the bell chime like with the resturant door. Maybe this was set up because the director wanted Tony to die but didn't explictly want to kill him (Can imagine it's hard for any writer to outright kill a character they've had creative input on for seven plus years.)
Sort of like a schrodinger's Mobster scenario. He's neither Dead or alive Because there's no definitive confirmation.
You do know Patsy was being sarcastic at Raymond's dinner? If Patsy was one who had T killed A)he wouldn't be at Bing on front lines with Sil during mob war B) with son marrying T his career only could go up as far as hes concerned. I think people running out of things to say about Sopranos so they look for things not there
What was supposed to do? Let New York destroy the shop? Tony or no Tony, he was a Jersey Mobster. As to his son that made him more suspect as his son probably knew Tony was meeting Meadow at the diner
your whole argument is invalid because your tart it off with patsi was being sarcastic at Raymond's dinner. when he said that was great wasn't it. being sarcastic there applies that he's frustrated. your beggining point makes no fucking sense.
He did move up in power, he became the new boss after he and Paulie took Tony out, with help from NY and the Lupertazzi's, they elected Patsy to be the boss in NJ in place of Tony because he wasn't a paranoid psycho like Tony
Also do you really think Patsy would've just forgiven Tony for killing his twin brother? No way he would ever forget that
Why did you have to reedit?
One of the clips I used was too long I guess.
You mean MUCHY-velley ?
Decent episode. I have to say though that that girl AJ was with (Rhiannon) dimed out the Sopranos family to NYC. I doubt that Patsy played any role in it.
A lot
Patsy was a good character but i dont think he was smart enough to play the long game
Do hesh next
He didn't get his ass dirty so pretty machiavellian imo
The Prince is satire
No, that theory came fairly recently and is largely derived from Stacey Kniatt's thesis (a couple others as well). It was not a satire, it was a genuine political theory, although it was written as an attempt to win favor, which failed miserably
I dont think it was patsy, I recon it was butch. The guy that started the war and had no connection except hatred and fued with the sopranos. Patsy had beef but he had nothing to gain from killing tony unless theres a hierarchy im unaware of. Besides if he wanted tony dead he would have done it earlier i feel, why wait so long even during the war with new york. Besides he wasnt a schemer as demonstrated with the pool pissing scene.
He was drunk when he peed in Tony's pool, not exactly in his perfect state of mind. Ofc Patsy had something to gain, revenge for his twin brother's murder
To be honest I could see Patsy and Paulie being involved somehow with Butch being behind it, I always did wonder considering his name is Patsy. Involve him, get him emotionally riled up enough to do most of the dirty work and stand back and reap the rewards. I don't think it's a clear cut either or situation to be honest.
Tony didn't die in the last ep. He was respected for what he did to Coco. Butch was old school like Tony and Coco initiated the attack... Tony was all about business and so was Butchie... They teamed up... is EVERYONE stupid
@@HowardHughes33 fuccing members only guy
TONY DID NOT DIE AT THE END OF THE SERIES .. get it through your fkn head .. producers and writers said he lived
I read that he died. Unless im reading the wrong articles
You can't seriously believe that. Did you not watch the show closely?
Citation needed
David Chase said he died.
Cope and seethe.