@@ryankeefe2102yeah that always happens in any industry, legal or illegal sometimes who you saw with leadership traits will let their demons out once in the “boss” positions, ego is a huge thing to control
@@ryankeefe2102Sil proved he was a better #2 when Tony was in his coma Sil couldn't handle it and got taken away in an ambulance cuz he couldn't breath, couldn't breath, couldn't breath lol
i always love the awkward shots it always shows for Johnny Sack. Him on a Toilet. Calling Tony while wearing a paper gown while at the doctors office. changing in his jail cell with his high wasted underwear.
I think it's done deliberately to offset him in general just being more classy looking than the rest of them. It's that contrast that made it funny imo.
Did they ever mention the Triumvirate in that whole discussion? I know it wouldn’t have convinced Johnny but it seems like a weird analogy for guys who pretend to be Roman to miss
One of the only characters who loved (and remained faithful to) his wife and who didn’t get whacked/killed by someone else. Died relatively peacefully with his family around him.
@@snakesmcgee7640 Christopher was basically loyal to Adriana, I mean I know he had moments where he was with other girls but where the other mobsters had girlfriends/goomars Chris only ever seemed truly interested in her. I loved their relationship. So tragic how that all played out.
Little Carmine is usually painted as some idiot, but I think he is probably the smartest person in the show. He is one of, if not the only person to admit when he has been beat and to back off. He seems to understand more of what is truly at stake and that there is room for everyone at the table.
I've said it before. LC was the smartest in the room. Beautiful wife and great kids that love him, a big house and all the toys, cash... Had plenty of Black/Grey market incomes and plenty of legit businesses to launder money and provide more cash flow. He was off the Feds radar down in FLA and kept his hands reletivally clean. He knew he didn't want his dads life and wanted to die a old man OUTSIDE of prison. As long as he keeps his health he has it made.
Little Carmine admitted he didn't want it in the end. He has the best chance at dying old, rich, loved by his family, and free. His sources of income appear almost completely legitimate. He has his own thing in Miami, when the overarching narrative of the Sopranos is the death of the Italian American Mafia. No subtlety either, Chinatown is literally eating up Little Italy.
Ralphie refers to Johnny Sack as “Sir Walter Raleigh” . Raleigh was big in the tobacco industry which hooks on to Johnny’s smoking issue. Brilliant writing ,
Loved the guy. He was just very pragmatic and levelheaded. Although he got a bit too full of himself when he was the top man. But that calm pragmatism is also what draws me to Silvio. (Or Tom Hagen for that matter on the Godfather)
It’s impossible to not feel touched and warm inside seeing Johnny show true love to his wife unlike any of the other mobsters. He loved Ginny more than life itself and even if he was taking things to far we all had a smile on our face seeing the genuine love he had for Ginny. Such a great side character, such a great show:)
Johnny Sack was one of the greatest characters in that show. He was definitely a great boss, and someone you definitely didn't wanna mess with. He was more level headed than Tony was. And one of the best things about him is that his marriage with Ginny was solid, unlike Tony and Carmela's which was toxic as fuck. At least he died surrounded by his loved ones. He didn't die whacked, he died surrounded by the people he loved the most, his wife Ginny and daughters Allegra and Catherine.
Phil was 100 times better than Johnny as a boss. He did 20 years in the can he may have compromised on a couple things but he never said a peep and unlike John never said this thing of ours existed in a court of law. Also Phil knew how to handle fanooks on his crew. There are no scraps in Phil's scrapbook.
At least Johnny died peacefully surrounded by his family. You can’t take that away from him. Edit: Ok maybe "peaceful" wasn’t the best word to use. I’d say he died with more dignity being surrounded by his family instead of gunned down in the street or beaten to death
Rusty and Angelo were the problem, trying to take over by proxy, installing their puppet, Brainless the Second, over the rightful next boss, John Sacrimoni. If John had come in unchallenged, he might have had a good run.
The rightful boss? According to who? He could've brokered a peace or handled it similarly to how Tony handled Uncle Jr., but instead, he started whacking everybody. Yet you say Rusty and Angelo were the problem? Some people are weird.
One of the smartest people ever in the show, who also made some of the stupidest decisions based purely on emotion. Great actor and great writing for him.
Great question! Amazing performance by Vincent Curatola... your analysis is spot on. He's very competent, cunning and - yes - pragmatic as a gangster, except for when his emotions get the best of him. But he's not nearly as level-headed once he becomes boss. Tho, as quoted, nobody can understand the pressures of that "thankless" job. He's one of the most decent men among the gangsters in the show - tho even his friend, Tony, quite rightly pegs him as a slippery, cagey 🤬... he plays Paulie like a fiddle. His worst moment in the show, by far, imo, is the way he nearly beats to death the low-ranking underling in Ralphie's crew outside a NY bar, upon the suspected slight over Ginni's weight. Ths fact that the most decent men among these guys is capable of that is indicative of how grim and nihilistic the world of this series is.
I don't mean to blow your mind, but the world of the series is pretty damn close to the real world. Things like this still happen all over the country, albeit on a much smaller and less cinematic scale.
Benny Fazio did not deserve the beat down, but they are all psychopaths. So def believable that a high level guy like Johnny sack wld take his rage out on some kid in Tony's crew
The fundamental question is, will John be an effective boss like my dad was? And he will be, even more so. But until he is, it’ll be hard to verify that i think he’ll be more effective.
@@Mostopinionatedmanofalltimehe was low key the smartest man in the series. The man smart enough to turn DOWN the title, twice. Lived happily ever after with his sexy wife and mansion and kids.
That entire story arch about Jenny and Ralph, it made me really like the guy. Literally the only time the show hit me in the feels was the scene in the basement when he catches Jenny with that candy stash.
His tragic downfall made for a "better" story, but regardless Johnny was one of the best characters since the beginning. No bs until obviously he became drunk with power and whatnot.
2:36 Tony was a real expert at humiliation. John was a pragmatist (and well-read with his "Creeps on this petty pace") with a hair-trigger temper and violent tendencies, but I had to admire his unconditional love and loyalty to his wife despite her weight. A fascinating, layered character.
In regards to the violence, I believe that John forgot what Carmine, Sr had once stuttered to Carmine Jr and that was that a pint of blood costs as much as a gallon of gold. Such profane words have never been more revenant to a situation such as this.
Say what you will about Tony, but he always wanted to make good business avoiding bloodshed and drama. He spend most of the show trying to make Johnny happy, he was such a baby
I don't think you can ever be a good enough boss in the cosa nostra. Even an old school, level-headed pragmatist like Carmine Sr. will have people conspiring to take him out. Johnny was one of them. "There's no honour among thieves", as the old saying goes. Johnny Sack was one of the most likeable bosses, though, 'cause he was brilliantly written, well-played by Vince Curatola, some people think he was the best dressed (I've always thought Ralphie dressed better).
John sacrimoni was dat dude. Hes the only character i actually shed a tear for when he died. The love he had for his wife and daughter definitely made him a standout.
Ehhh it depends. If we talk about taking a strong stance to make NY stronger then sure. But he also had a ego bigger than Paulie and it caused both them and New Jersey to lose money, captains and soldiers. To me, Johnny was more of a number two guy, good captain that isn’t afraid to take action, but an effective leader to make life easier
Could you do a video about what "running North Jersey" means? It first appears in the pilot when describing Tony by Junior, and people have dismissed this a pilot-ism and not canonical (rdit: since he acts more like the boss in the pilot and Jackie Aprile Sr. wasnt invented yet), but the term comes up again in the finale when Tony is telling a senile Junior that he and Johnny Boy "ran North Jersey."
Tony's father and junior were the most powerful captains in their day. The old man Rocco Demaio crime family boss doesn't seem to have done much when he was the boss
And in the view of New York people like Carmine Sr., Johnny, and Phil, being a “boss” in North Jersey is just a subordinate captain under the Lupertazzi family. You just have to humor them a little, and pretend they’re bosses (but don’t let them get too out of line). And the New Jersey guys know on some level that New York thinks of them this way, and they resent it.
Tony is more or less acting boss already when the series starts given Jackie's illness. The only crew not taking marching orders from him was Junior's.
I do like how a lot of characters can be summed up with one of the seven deadly sins. Tony was Pride, he spent the entire series trying to justify why he was a good person all along, and constantly making excuses for himself and why he's always in the right. Phil was Wrath, as he couldn't let go of how his time served was met with dismissal and a change in how things work. Johnny Sack meanwhile was Greed. Even Little Carmine stated that, while he was a friend, he was also a greedy motherfucker. Johnny craved power, and was always willing to patiently wait and scheme to strike at just the right opportunity to obtain it. But as the series went on, and as his bid to power became more and more prominent, he started becoming reckless as his greed had finally started taking over. The biggest thing I'll praise this series for is character consistency.
@@alexmuenster2102 all good questions. I wanna stress that I'm not saying that each character only committed one sin and nothing else. They're all guilty of committing every sin in the book. Hell, if there are sins we don't know about they probably committed them. But from a narrative perspective, you can definitely see that each character was written with a specific sin in mind. For example, Sloth. That would be Chrissie, since he had all this potential to not only have a better life outside of the mob, but even a better life within the mob. However, he constantly gave in to other vices preventing him from realizing his potential. Junior would've been written with Envy in mind, as he was always jealous of his brother's and nephew's success and he would eventually realize he just watched the world pass him by until he had nothing left to remember. As for the Gluttony comment, while Tony definitely ate a lot, smoked lots of cigars, and slept with more women than he should've, his character arc doesn't really embody Gluttony, as that's a sin of excess. Tony's character arc is about him justifying and rationalizing him being capable of redemption. At every turn he'd convince himself that he was inherently a good person, never taking into account his own contradictions.
I guess it's safe to say that of all the ''bosses'', little Carmine handles it as best he could given the circumstances. Yes he also made some questionable decisions and a lot of the times people saw him as a stupid goof, but you gotta admit, he was the one that got off good in the end and was just with his loving wife and kids.
You mentioned something about Phil being in prison? Was this something explicitly stated in the show? Or was it something subtle that the audience had to piece together?
The audience doesn't even consciously realize Phil's past as a prisoner. It's something our subconscious mind pieces together when we see this man and his demeanor. The way he talks. It must be a former prisoner. Oh yeah and he was mentioning some grilled sandwiches. Only prisoners speak like this
Carmine was the last great boss, calm and calculating, and he died eating egg salad. No boss should go out like that! The younger generation were all too emotional and hot headed to be like Carmine. Kind of like how the real life mob changed from their old quiet total stranglehold on NYC to having ‘characters’ like Gotti who blew it with their hubris. Even Phil who thought he was old school was too emotional. But then he did 20 years in the can, not that he never told anyone…
He's definitely high up there for me, too. It's hard to beat Tony and his gang cause you get to know them so well... was so grateful for the amount they focused on John in later seasons. It was very important they show the outcome for him in prison, as a possibility for Tony's own end-game, whether he gets whacked in the diner or not.
He was a good boss, and now he was a little hot-headed, and his emotions got the best of him, but at least his he didn't beat up or kill his own men the way Tony did and he loved his wife
The part of this that shows Little Carmine was playing everyone... He didn't "surrender." He changed his gameplan. He even shrugged off calls for violence by saying, "That's not how I want to play this." and "It didn't have to be this way." To think he just gave up after everyone close to him was murdered is exactly WHY he was smarter than given credit for. Everyone underestimated him. Even the viewers and analysts. He took out his enemies without firing a single shot. He even partnered up with Chris to get closer to Tony, the guy that considered killing Carmine's father with Johnny and his crew. Little Carmine fooled everyone including the audience and was able to fill the box without risking any of his own bloodshed.
In the final season, Sack was dying in a prison hospital from pancreatic cancer. His orderly was Warren Feldman played by Sydney Pollack. Feldman killed his wife ant two others. What's ironic was Pollack was the one that was really dying from pancreatic cancer and Vincent Curatola was healthy.
This is to all you people who trash talk Johnny. You know it wasn't long ago I remember that you used to wait in the car. And as far as I'm concerned YOU SHOULD STILL BE THERE!!!
"Though not directly named until later seasons" not quite. He was referred to in Season One when Livia is telling Junior about the meetings at the nursing home. "That snake from Manhattan" she says, to which Junior takes particular offense above other names dropped. "Johnny Sack? Johnny Sack was here?"
he was also named in szn 1 by Carmella when her & tony were out @ dinner 4 their anniversary cuz she was upset that tony was taking up time doing business while they were supposed 2 be celebrating.
I loved all of the characters on the Sopranos. I thought Johnny Sack was an all right underboss and it was nice that one of them loved their wife. My only real question is… did Carmine Sr. have to die with egg salad in his mouth? 🤢 😂
His death is one of the worst ways to go. Still better than eating grilled cheese from a radiator for 20 years, getting out only to be turned into a house then getting shot at a gas stop.
Tony Bs relationship with Angelo wasn't fleshed out enough to get the audience involved in him getting revenge. Angelo just kinda mentions that he knew Tony B in the can in one scene.
Rusty: Angelo here spoke very highly of you and how you handled yourself in Pennsylvania. Angelo: We were like Frick & Frack in the can. Tony Blundetto: Angelo's my buddy. Angelo: He knew all the Jackie Gleason stuff by heart. He acted all the parts himself! Do a little bit for Rusty! The 'Mambo' thing. Tony Blundetto (to Angelo's son): This guy was my old man, my rabbi, my priest rolled into one. Even though I don't miss a fookin' day, the parts with this old fireplug were the best!
@alexmuenster2102 kind of weird considering this is how Angelo mentions Tony B earlier “oh right, right. He and I were upstate together”. As if tony b wasn't important enough to remember
Wait a minute. The video says Phil did time in prison. When is this in the show? Phil never said anything about doing time. Is this in a deleted scene?
Johnny let the boss title go to his head a bit, however he deserved it and had more honor and loyalty and integrity than the rest of them. He only bends the rules one time and that was taking the allocution (which he did for his wife and girls, not because he feared prison). Johnny died in peace surrounded by the girls who loved him so.
I always found it funny (in a hypocritical way) that Tony and co were running him down about the allocution, yet they never did serious time (Isn't like Johnny turned "rat"). Phil at least DID 20 YEARS so had a right to be more pissed off.
Wonderful upload 👌 I believe he would have been a great Boss if Carmine had died sooner or he had been whacked in S4. However, too much time having his wallet emptied by Carmine's decisions, not being backed on the Joke and little Carmine making a claim for the throne after being a Capo outside of the family territory is what leads to him no longer being a pragmatist and Silvio saying some are better as number twos being a very accurate statement. John before all of that would have at least considered Tony's proposal of a power sharing situation instead of being outraged. Early Johnny Sack may have considered it a smart move. A majority vote needed but I would see it as being Johnny as the main Boss, Angelo reclaims his role of consigliere and little Carmine either as Underboss or more power as a Capo back in New York. I also believe early Johnny Sack would have considered Christopher's pitch that Little Carmine gets Lorraine and John gets a nice cash flow from the Club action. He may have lied to Paulie but I honestly think that was all due to the frustration of working for Carmine. He never put Paulie in direct danger but Carmine's business choices seemed to force him into looking for extra ways to earn. I think he got Angry at Little Carmine for calling Tony the Boss of a family knowing Carmine Snr considered them a glorified crew but John saw The DiMeo/Soprano organisation as every bit a family. Just smaller compared to their 5 neighbours. I love that you brought up his love for his wife. Such a rare thing both in the series and in the culture. If the Feds never brought him down I wonder if he lived for S6 B would there have been a Civil War between him and Phil? One wanting things to stay the same with New Jersey and the other wanting war. Please keep up the good work. Thank you
It’s been a while since I’ve watched a Kino video. Just when I thought I was out…….you pull me back in. Hope all is well, thank you for the great content.
John was a good boss ... or even more so, but until he was ... it was hard to verify that he thought he would be more effective . Sort of like Little Carmine was or thought he was ... in such regards as to that sort of thinking involving those aspects in particular.
People watching Pure Kino: The views go up to Borko! Edit: unless, you wanna have 3 bosses. Like Julius Caesar, a triumvirate. Borko, Pure Kino, Sopranos theories.
I think he would have been a good boss and relatively pragmatic with a focus on earning if he had the chance. He also carried himself like a boss and was well spoken and well dressed. He was official boss for only a couple episodes and then he was in prison. He had to deal with the Tony B/Philly Leotardo situation right off the bat. And then in season 6 part 1 he was basically just maneuvering to keep his power when he was incarcerated. I think he would have been a good boss yes. He had a very nice house and a flashy car but he was a family man and not out clubbing and doing stupid and sleazy stuff like many of the other mobsters.
He was a very good boss because he was always open to dialogue before taking actions with Tony and the N.J. crew. As soon as he died, everything got out of control.
My estimation of John Sacrimoni as a man just fuckin’ skyrocketed
Same
His pumpkin turned into a carriage. Heheheh
I have to agree with Phil on this.
@@jeffreydillingham7630 🐓 🍭 should fu 🤴🏿 ☠️
@@jeffreydillingham7630Oh, you do, do ya?!
Johnny Sac: I thought you were gonna back off the sweets!
Ginny: I did... Then I put it in drive...
😅😅😅😅
He loves Ginny. She’s beautiful. Rubenesque, he would say
*Ginny
Come on, …like you never made a joke about Ginny Sac 🤌🏽
I like a woman you can grab on to
That mole, whatever happened there.
BBW as I would say
"offensive to guys like Phil who did their time honourably" Wait, Phil went to prison? He didn't mention that at all :-0
Lol
He had to compromise
@@theloosedonk5645can you elaborate? What kind of bodily pleasures did the Shah of Iran deprive himself of?
Yeah they never mentioned Phil going to the can . They should make a series about Phil doing 20 years without a peep
@@Dabshanks hmm...a Joey Peeps?
I always wondered whether Johnny Sack really changed after becoming boss or did becoming boss simply bring out his true personality.
Like sil said some guys are better at being number 2 he's good behind the scenes but not as the boss
@@ryankeefe2102yeah that always happens in any industry, legal or illegal sometimes who you saw with leadership traits will let their demons out once in the “boss” positions, ego is a huge thing to control
@@ryankeefe2102Sil proved he was a better #2 when Tony was in his coma Sil couldn't handle it and got taken away in an ambulance cuz he couldn't breath, couldn't breath, couldn't breath lol
As the saying goes "Absolute power corrupts"
Do yall forget him and tonys conversations at the end of season 4?
i always love the awkward shots it always shows for Johnny Sack. Him on a Toilet. Calling Tony while wearing a paper gown while at the doctors office. changing in his jail cell with his high wasted underwear.
Johnny Sac is the Oddfather.
I think it's done deliberately to offset him in general just being more classy looking than the rest of them. It's that contrast that made it funny imo.
Johnny on the toilet in a doorless stall at the Bada Bing as he talks to Tony was a strange sight.
@@ChicagoLines88 who would dump in that stall? Gross. And Tony stood there smelling it 😂😂😂
That’s how it goes when you’re locked up though
The way Johnny smoked his cigs and took his time before spoke something is always making me fell chilly. What a strong personality
I always liked how Livia described him in season 1: that sneak from New York with his shoe lifts and mole hair suits .
Did she say mohair or mole hair? I hope it was the latter, that’s perfect.
She was the slickest gangster on the show a cold bitch 2
she was purposefully trying to get Junior paranoid
@@KaelWritwell she wasn’t wrong
Mohair
He would have been a great addition to the U.N.
WHAT IS THIS THE FUCKING UN NOW?
@@tarikukrob3222WHATS NEXT, HE GETS’TA FUCK HER FOR A MILLION?
Everybody’s got a god damned opinion???
@@tarikukrob3222lmaoooooo!!!!!
Did they ever mention the Triumvirate in that whole discussion? I know it wouldn’t have convinced Johnny but it seems like a weird analogy for guys who pretend to be Roman to miss
I always thought one of Johnny's best traits is where he started a sentance quietly and then went TO YELLING AT THE END!!!!
What is this THE FUCKIN U N NOW
What's this the FUCKING U.N. NOW???
“The fucking god damned esplanade goddamnit!”
He wants to fuck her?
"So what, he GETS TO FUCK HER FOR A MILLION?!!"
Not a terrible boss? I'll tell ya one thing, and I'm not ashamed to say it. My estimation of Pure Kino as a content creator just fuckin' plummeted.
Tell Don ho we said hi!👋
Loves the joke quotes
Come on, when it comes to charismatic characters all bets are off. I've seen better content creators ignoring the flaws of characters they like.
All due respect Ton' 🤚 you know I neva complain 🤚
@@eva_unit_01 Skip the preambles
One of the only characters who loved (and remained faithful to) his wife and who didn’t get whacked/killed by someone else. Died relatively peacefully with his family around him.
Him, Bobby and... Yep, that's it.
He was weak and ended up cooperating… that’s his character.
He had lung cancer and lost everything. No surprise he said screw it.
@@snakesmcgee7640 Christopher was basically loyal to Adriana, I mean I know he had moments where he was with other girls but where the other mobsters had girlfriends/goomars Chris only ever seemed truly interested in her. I loved their relationship. So tragic how that all played out.
@@voteZDLR Eh, that's a stretch of the word "loyal", but I get what you're saying.
Little Carmine is usually painted as some idiot, but I think he is probably the smartest person in the show. He is one of, if not the only person to admit when he has been beat and to back off. He seems to understand more of what is truly at stake and that there is room for everyone at the table.
I've said it before. LC was the smartest in the room. Beautiful wife and great kids that love him, a big house and all the toys, cash... Had plenty of Black/Grey market incomes and plenty of legit businesses to launder money and provide more cash flow. He was off the Feds radar down in FLA and kept his hands reletivally clean. He knew he didn't want his dads life and wanted to die a old man OUTSIDE of prison. As long as he keeps his health he has it made.
LC played the game the best.
Cash, off the radar, and no one saw him as a threat.
Little Carmine admitted he didn't want it in the end. He has the best chance at dying old, rich, loved by his family, and free. His sources of income appear almost completely legitimate. He has his own thing in Miami, when the overarching narrative of the Sopranos is the death of the Italian American Mafia. No subtlety either, Chinatown is literally eating up Little Italy.
he got beat because he was indecisive. he backed-off becuase he was scared. he was not ambitious.
'that thing with Billy' he was not smart.
Ralphie refers to Johnny Sack as “Sir Walter Raleigh” . Raleigh was big in the tobacco industry which hooks on to Johnny’s smoking issue. Brilliant writing ,
Bravo Vince
very allegorical
Guys from NC be like thanks elementary schools that Raleigh info finally proved useful
Indeed. Great pipe tobacco. Codger blend.
John Sac was a great character, was definitely sad to see him go.
It's sad when they go young like that.
Johnny Sack in his coffin *muffled* “SEE ME GO?”
He was a SAINT!
Loved the guy. He was just very pragmatic and levelheaded. Although he got a bit too full of himself when he was the top man.
But that calm pragmatism is also what draws me to Silvio. (Or Tom Hagen for that matter on the Godfather)
@@bakkelsunless you speak ill on his wife,such a respectable individual
Dude played that part so well. He could have had a spin off show
It’s impossible to not feel touched and warm inside seeing Johnny show true love to his wife unlike any of the other mobsters. He loved Ginny more than life itself and even if he was taking things to far we all had a smile on our face seeing the genuine love he had for Ginny. Such a great side character, such a great show:)
He’s a deeply emotional man, loves his daughter.
Johnny Sack had some of the best chops on that show a tremendous character and Vincent curatola did an amazing job portraying him
Whenever Johnny sack starts yelling all bets are off. Not good lol
All due to respect to NewYork I don’t think you should be telling my uncle how to run things…..
@@unclephillymyaI gotta talk to Aunt Lenore
Johnny Sack was one of the greatest characters in that show. He was definitely a great boss, and someone you definitely didn't wanna mess with.
He was more level headed than Tony was. And one of the best things about him is that his marriage with Ginny was solid, unlike Tony and Carmela's which was toxic as fuck.
At least he died surrounded by his loved ones. He didn't die whacked, he died surrounded by the people he loved the most, his wife Ginny and daughters Allegra and Catherine.
my estimation of johnny sacramoni as a man f*ckin plummeted
@@tomz5704 give him a break will ya? It's an emotional day
@@VideoGamesAndTheWorldno Tom's right. To cry like a woman? It's a f--king disgrace.
Phil was 100 times better than Johnny as a boss. He did 20 years in the can he may have compromised on a couple things but he never said a peep and unlike John never said this thing of ours existed in a court of law. Also Phil knew how to handle fanooks on his crew. There are no scraps in Phil's scrapbook.
@@tomz5704he's just like Vito in my eyes after crying!! A Fanuuk
At least Johnny died peacefully surrounded by his family. You can’t take that away from him.
Edit: Ok maybe "peaceful" wasn’t the best word to use. I’d say he died with more dignity being surrounded by his family instead of gunned down in the street or beaten to death
You want a cigfie
@helpisontheway9405 you know he's talking about one of the characters standing right
@helpisontheway9405shinebox compromise
@helpisontheway9405All caps makes you look silly
@helpisontheway9405 Bruh why u freaking out? Yes i’m aware it’s a tv show. I can’t be invested in the character?💀
Rusty and Angelo were the problem, trying to take over by proxy, installing their puppet, Brainless the Second, over the rightful next boss, John Sacrimoni. If John had come in unchallenged, he might have had a good run.
_Very allegorical_
@@tanveerhasan2382sacred and propane.
All being manipulated by Little Carmine, whi did not the idea of Johnny Sacks taking over as the new boss.
The rightful boss? According to who? He could've brokered a peace or handled it similarly to how Tony handled Uncle Jr., but instead, he started whacking everybody. Yet you say Rusty and Angelo were the problem? Some people are weird.
One of the smartest people ever in the show, who also made some of the stupidest decisions based purely on emotion. Great actor and great writing for him.
Great question! Amazing performance by Vincent Curatola... your analysis is spot on. He's very competent, cunning and - yes - pragmatic as a gangster, except for when his emotions get the best of him. But he's not nearly as level-headed once he becomes boss. Tho, as quoted, nobody can understand the pressures of that "thankless" job.
He's one of the most decent men among the gangsters in the show - tho even his friend, Tony, quite rightly pegs him as a slippery, cagey 🤬... he plays Paulie like a fiddle.
His worst moment in the show, by far, imo, is the way he nearly beats to death the low-ranking underling in Ralphie's crew outside a NY bar, upon the suspected slight over Ginni's weight. Ths fact that the most decent men among these guys is capable of that is indicative of how grim and nihilistic the world of this series is.
fuckin walt Whitman this guy
I always felt he was a loose cannon with all that Jenny drama and overly supporting Phil
I don't mean to blow your mind, but the world of the series is pretty damn close to the real world. Things like this still happen all over the country, albeit on a much smaller and less cinematic scale.
Benny Fazio did not deserve the beat down, but they are all psychopaths. So def believable that a high level guy like Johnny sack wld take his rage out on some kid in Tony's crew
I'd go as far to say that he was very allegorical.
The fundamental question is, will John be an effective boss like my dad was? And he will be, even more so. But until he is, it’ll be hard to verify that i think he’ll be more effective.
Historically, Historical changes have happened from war
Brainless the 2nd, criminal mastermind
😅😅😅😅😅😅OMG little Carmine was so stupid!
You realize that ass hole is giving away WASHING MACHINES?
@@Mostopinionatedmanofalltimehe was low key the smartest man in the series. The man smart enough to turn DOWN the title, twice. Lived happily ever after with his sexy wife and mansion and kids.
That entire story arch about Jenny and Ralph, it made me really like the guy. Literally the only time the show hit me in the feels was the scene in the basement when he catches Jenny with that candy stash.
😂 doing laundry
That she didn't see herself the way he did... you could see the heartache in his eyes.
His tragic downfall made for a "better" story, but regardless Johnny was one of the best characters since the beginning. No bs until obviously he became drunk with power and whatnot.
Whatever happened there
2:36 Tony was a real expert at humiliation. John was a pragmatist (and well-read with his "Creeps on this petty pace") with a hair-trigger temper and violent tendencies, but I had to admire his unconditional love and loyalty to his wife despite her weight. A fascinating, layered character.
In regards to the violence, I believe that John forgot what Carmine, Sr had once stuttered to Carmine Jr and that was that a pint of blood costs as much as a gallon of gold. Such profane words have never been more revenant to a situation such as this.
He’s an old fashioned guy Kino, very allegorical.
...gave me my first hand job, me and Vincent Minascalco, in the alley behind the chicken market.
Say what you will about Tony, but he always wanted to make good business avoiding bloodshed and drama. He spend most of the show trying to make Johnny happy, he was such a baby
“I don’t stick my beak in”
Yet his beak was always stuck in somewheres
If beaks could kill, that one certainly would!
I don't think you can ever be a good enough boss in the cosa nostra. Even an old school, level-headed pragmatist like Carmine Sr. will have people conspiring to take him out. Johnny was one of them. "There's no honour among thieves", as the old saying goes.
Johnny Sack was one of the most likeable bosses, though, 'cause he was brilliantly written, well-played by Vince Curatola, some people think he was the best dressed (I've always thought Ralphie dressed better).
>>Johnny Sack was one of the most likeable bosses
John sacrimoni was dat dude. Hes the only character i actually shed a tear for when he died. The love he had for his wife and daughter definitely made him a standout.
Ehhh it depends. If we talk about taking a strong stance to make NY stronger then sure. But he also had a ego bigger than Paulie and it caused both them and New Jersey to lose money, captains and soldiers.
To me, Johnny was more of a number two guy, good captain that isn’t afraid to take action, but an effective leader to make life easier
You know it wasn't long ago I remember you used to be the underboss...and as far as I'm concerned YOU SHOULD STILL BE THAT!
Boss? Jersey? CMON!!!
Could you do a video about what "running North Jersey" means? It first appears in the pilot when describing Tony by Junior, and people have dismissed this a pilot-ism and not canonical (rdit: since he acts more like the boss in the pilot and Jackie Aprile Sr. wasnt invented yet), but the term comes up again in the finale when Tony is telling a senile Junior that he and Johnny Boy "ran North Jersey."
Tony's father and junior were the most powerful captains in their day. The old man Rocco Demaio crime family boss doesn't seem to have done much when he was the boss
I second this.
And in the view of New York people like Carmine Sr., Johnny, and Phil, being a “boss” in North Jersey is just a subordinate captain under the Lupertazzi family. You just have to humor them a little, and pretend they’re bosses (but don’t let them get too out of line). And the New Jersey guys know on some level that New York thinks of them this way, and they resent it.
I feel like there’s a line somewhere in the show that a different group or nobody has any business in south Jersey
Tony is more or less acting boss already when the series starts given Jackie's illness. The only crew not taking marching orders from him was Junior's.
I do like how a lot of characters can be summed up with one of the seven deadly sins. Tony was Pride, he spent the entire series trying to justify why he was a good person all along, and constantly making excuses for himself and why he's always in the right. Phil was Wrath, as he couldn't let go of how his time served was met with dismissal and a change in how things work. Johnny Sack meanwhile was Greed. Even Little Carmine stated that, while he was a friend, he was also a greedy motherfucker. Johnny craved power, and was always willing to patiently wait and scheme to strike at just the right opportunity to obtain it. But as the series went on, and as his bid to power became more and more prominent, he started becoming reckless as his greed had finally started taking over. The biggest thing I'll praise this series for is character consistency.
I think Tony was gluttony. Phil was pride.
Who was Sloth? Lust? Envy?
@@alexmuenster2102 all good questions. I wanna stress that I'm not saying that each character only committed one sin and nothing else. They're all guilty of committing every sin in the book. Hell, if there are sins we don't know about they probably committed them. But from a narrative perspective, you can definitely see that each character was written with a specific sin in mind.
For example, Sloth. That would be Chrissie, since he had all this potential to not only have a better life outside of the mob, but even a better life within the mob. However, he constantly gave in to other vices preventing him from realizing his potential. Junior would've been written with Envy in mind, as he was always jealous of his brother's and nephew's success and he would eventually realize he just watched the world pass him by until he had nothing left to remember.
As for the Gluttony comment, while Tony definitely ate a lot, smoked lots of cigars, and slept with more women than he should've, his character arc doesn't really embody Gluttony, as that's a sin of excess. Tony's character arc is about him justifying and rationalizing him being capable of redemption. At every turn he'd convince himself that he was inherently a good person, never taking into account his own contradictions.
@@alexmuenster2102Sloth could maybe be Janice. Envy… Junior maybe? Gloria could be a good candidate for Lust as well.
@@SK371Tony and ginny never had the markings of a varsity nutritionist
When johnny sack was on screen, you knew real mobster stuff was happening. Absolutely loved the character and performance! Great video Kino!
I guess it's safe to say that of all the ''bosses'', little Carmine handles it as best he could given the circumstances. Yes he also made some questionable decisions and a lot of the times people saw him as a stupid goof, but you gotta admit, he was the one that got off good in the end and was just with his loving wife and kids.
You mentioned something about Phil being in prison? Was this something explicitly stated in the show? Or was it something subtle that the audience had to piece together?
The audience doesn't even consciously realize Phil's past as a prisoner.
It's something our subconscious mind pieces together when we see this man and his demeanor. The way he talks. It must be a former prisoner.
Oh yeah and he was mentioning some grilled sandwiches. Only prisoners speak like this
I love Johnny's volatile reactions and retorts.
When Johnny Sack goes camping, the bears have to hide THEIR cigarettes!
Johnny Sack, much like Sil, was better as an underboss than he was as the main guinea.
Consigliere*
Carmine was the last great boss, calm and calculating, and he died eating egg salad. No boss should go out like that!
The younger generation were all too emotional and hot headed to be like Carmine.
Kind of like how the real life mob changed from their old quiet total stranglehold on NYC to having ‘characters’ like Gotti who blew it with their hubris.
Even Phil who thought he was old school was too emotional. But then he did 20 years in the can, not that he never told anyone…
''quiet total stranglehold '', who are you kidding
John Sanctimony is my 2nd fave character on this show.
Same, he is a pragmatist like me
@@StylzGTNT See that's my problem. I USED to be a pragmatist!
@@adamweisshaup 😅
Vito's brother obviously your number one
He's definitely high up there for me, too. It's hard to beat Tony and his gang cause you get to know them so well... was so grateful for the amount they focused on John in later seasons. It was very important they show the outcome for him in prison, as a possibility for Tony's own end-game, whether he gets whacked in the diner or not.
Everyone says Little Carmine was an idiot. But in the end, he may have been the wisest of them all, knowing when to back out and live a peaceful life.
He was a good boss, and now he was a little hot-headed, and his emotions got the best of him, but at least his he didn't beat up or kill his own men the way Tony did and he loved his wife
If Johnny wasn't a criminal, he'd make a great CEO
In my day, A man never would have been expected to tolerate a remark like that 🤌🏽
He saved his family. And on this comment board, Johnny Sack is an American hero Boss!
In this comment section it's the 1950s
End of story!
Whoa Kino! Those patrons were just tryin' to help.
The part of this that shows Little Carmine was playing everyone... He didn't "surrender." He changed his gameplan. He even shrugged off calls for violence by saying, "That's not how I want to play this." and "It didn't have to be this way." To think he just gave up after everyone close to him was murdered is exactly WHY he was smarter than given credit for. Everyone underestimated him. Even the viewers and analysts. He took out his enemies without firing a single shot. He even partnered up with Chris to get closer to Tony, the guy that considered killing Carmine's father with Johnny and his crew. Little Carmine fooled everyone including the audience and was able to fill the box without risking any of his own bloodshed.
It's a shame he's only boss for like 5 minutes. Should've been the final villain instead of Phil
Kino, love that you keep on keeping with these videos. Love them so much!
In the final season, Sack was dying in a prison hospital from pancreatic cancer. His orderly was Warren Feldman played by Sydney Pollack. Feldman killed his wife ant two others. What's ironic was Pollack was the one that was really dying from pancreatic cancer and Vincent Curatola was healthy.
One of the best recap seen on TH-cam
Tony: "First John, let's talk about the 500lb elephant in the room..."
John: "Hey! You leave Ginny out of this!"
I really appriciate your videos its like talking to someone who understands me
Labour Day upload! thank you!
Incredible character development by David Chase on Johnny!
This is to all you people who trash talk Johnny.
You know it wasn't long ago I remember that you used to wait in the car. And as far as I'm concerned YOU SHOULD STILL BE THERE!!!
Curatola was definitely channeling George Raft for the character of Johnny Sack. He was one cool cat.
"Though not directly named until later seasons" not quite. He was referred to in Season One when Livia is telling Junior about the meetings at the nursing home. "That snake from Manhattan" she says, to which Junior takes particular offense above other names dropped. "Johnny Sack? Johnny Sack was here?"
he was also named in szn 1 by Carmella when her & tony were out @ dinner 4 their anniversary cuz she was upset that tony was taking up time doing business while they were supposed 2 be celebrating.
Love your vids Kino, have you seen Barry? The mob in the first season is heavily inspired by The Sopranos
Such a good day when you put out a sopranos character video
there are not enough videos on Johnny Sack! ONE RUTHLESS MOBSTER
He never put in work himself though. He was weak compared to Tony.
*Johny Sack is that friend that thinks he's the leader of the friend group but he's not even close so you humor him...😂*
I loved all of the characters on the Sopranos. I thought Johnny Sack was an all right underboss and it was nice that one of them loved their wife. My only real question is… did Carmine Sr. have to die with egg salad in his mouth? 🤢 😂
Those gherkins are a killer
It was among the gherkins, real sour pickle shit. And we had to just sit there and take it.
@@jasoncarswell7458 I hear to be a made pickle you have to be 100% cucumber and they have to trace your family all the way back to farm
There's an old saying that if you want to test a man's character, give him power. We can see that with Johnny Sack.
For me, personally, Vincent Curatola was the most perfect casting choice for a character next to Gandolfini.
That exit statement “I remember when you used to wait in the car” earned a subscribe for that😂
Hold up! According to this, Phil served time in the can. I can't believe it. Why was this never mentioned in the show???
The sarcasm is strong in this one... 😂
Rumour has it he once ate cheese from a radiator
Jacked off in a piece of toilet paper while his guys watched the door.
@@NO-TRUCKS-GIVENthe tissue whatever happened there...
I'm not afraid to say it. My estimation of Pure Kino as a man just plumeted.
Being boss isn't about being in charge. It's about being responsible.
1:07 not entirely true, Junior mentions him by name when he and Livia are schemining against Tony in the 1st season.
Actually now that I remember, Carmella uses his name after that very first appearance.
Johnny Sack was respected by his crew. Tony Soprano's crew just feared him.
Exactly and the same way Johnny’s family respected him is the same way Jackie Sr. was respected
His death is one of the worst ways to go. Still better than eating grilled cheese from a radiator for 20 years, getting out only to be turned into a house then getting shot at a gas stop.
Whatever happened there…
Thinking of Johnny Sack as anything but a good boss is highly undignified!
god i love this show
great video, johnny sac is by far my favorite character on the show, a true gent
also love you kino your videos are great
Kino has all the makings of a varsity athlete
great vids mate, really enjoyed the one about aqent harris. good work 👍👍
Tony Bs relationship with Angelo wasn't fleshed out enough to get the audience involved in him getting revenge.
Angelo just kinda mentions that he knew Tony B in the can in one scene.
Rusty: Angelo here spoke very highly of you and how you handled yourself in Pennsylvania.
Angelo: We were like Frick & Frack in the can.
Tony Blundetto: Angelo's my buddy.
Angelo: He knew all the Jackie Gleason stuff by heart. He acted all the parts himself! Do a little bit for Rusty! The 'Mambo' thing.
Tony Blundetto (to Angelo's son): This guy was my old man, my rabbi, my priest rolled into one. Even though I don't miss a fookin' day, the parts with this old fireplug were the best!
@alexmuenster2102 kind of weird considering this is how Angelo mentions Tony B earlier “oh right, right. He and I were upstate together”.
As if tony b wasn't important enough to remember
That animal Blundetto was a real trigger-happy cowboy
Vincent Curatola did such an amazing job. Tony, Chris and Johnny Sack seemed like genuine people more than the rest on the show.
Whatever kind of boss he was, he sure knows how to smoke a cigarette with style.
Wait a minute. The video says Phil did time in prison. When is this in the show? Phil never said anything about doing time. Is this in a deleted scene?
Johnny let the boss title go to his head a bit, however he deserved it and had more honor and loyalty and integrity than the rest of them. He only bends the rules one time and that was taking the allocution (which he did for his wife and girls, not because he feared prison). Johnny died in peace surrounded by the girls who loved him so.
I always found it funny (in a hypocritical way) that Tony and co were running him down about the allocution, yet they never did serious time (Isn't like Johnny turned "rat"). Phil at least DID 20 YEARS so had a right to be more pissed off.
He was the best representation of a mob boss tbh, Sil would be 2nd (when he was acting boss), and I’d say Jackie is probably the 3rd best
One of my favorite characters on the show, even if he became a little trigger happy, a hothead.
Excellent video!
Wonderful upload 👌 I believe he would have been a great Boss if Carmine had died sooner or he had been whacked in S4. However, too much time having his wallet emptied by Carmine's decisions, not being backed on the Joke and little Carmine making a claim for the throne after being a Capo outside of the family territory is what leads to him no longer being a pragmatist and Silvio saying some are better as number twos being a very accurate statement. John before all of that would have at least considered Tony's proposal of a power sharing situation instead of being outraged. Early Johnny Sack may have considered it a smart move. A majority vote needed but I would see it as being Johnny as the main Boss, Angelo reclaims his role of consigliere and little Carmine either as Underboss or more power as a Capo back in New York. I also believe early Johnny Sack would have considered Christopher's pitch that Little Carmine gets Lorraine and John gets a nice cash flow from the Club action. He may have lied to Paulie but I honestly think that was all due to the frustration of working for Carmine. He never put Paulie in direct danger but Carmine's business choices seemed to force him into looking for extra ways to earn. I think he got Angry at Little Carmine for calling Tony the Boss of a family knowing Carmine Snr considered them a glorified crew but John saw The DiMeo/Soprano organisation as every bit a family. Just smaller compared to their 5 neighbours.
I love that you brought up his love for his wife. Such a rare thing both in the series and in the culture. If the Feds never brought him down I wonder if he lived for S6 B would there have been a Civil War between him and Phil? One wanting things to stay the same with New Jersey and the other wanting war. Please keep up the good work. Thank you
What is this? The fucking UN now?
@@peteyprimo7173 haha 👌😂
It’s been a while since I’ve watched a Kino video. Just when I thought I was out…….you pull me back in. Hope all is well, thank you for the great content.
John was a good boss ... or even more so, but until he was ... it was hard to verify that he thought he would be more effective . Sort of like Little Carmine was or thought he was ... in such regards as to that sort of thinking involving those aspects in particular.
Johnny Sac had class in a rough around the edges, low life way. Perfect, proportionate combination.
People watching Pure Kino:
The views go up to Borko!
Edit: unless, you wanna have 3 bosses. Like Julius Caesar, a triumvirate. Borko, Pure Kino, Sopranos theories.
I think he would have been a good boss and relatively pragmatic with a focus on earning if he had the chance. He also carried himself like a boss and was well spoken and well dressed.
He was official boss for only a couple episodes and then he was in prison.
He had to deal with the Tony B/Philly Leotardo situation right off the bat. And then in season 6 part 1 he was basically just maneuvering to keep his power when he was incarcerated.
I think he would have been a good boss yes. He had a very nice house and a flashy car but he was a family man and not out clubbing and doing stupid and sleazy stuff like many of the other mobsters.
We know that Tony S. did coke (with Adriana) - but I just can't see Johnny Sacks doing drugs.
@@alexmuenster2102Think it would have been too "degenerate" of behaviour for Johnny to engage in that sort of activity.
He came off more classy than the rest of those sociopaths
6:11 Jenny Sack?
My estimation of Pure Kino as a content creator just fuckin’ ELEVATED !
What everybody’s got a friggin’ opinion?!
He was a very good boss because he was always open to dialogue before taking actions with Tony and the N.J. crew. As soon as he died, everything got out of control.