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@@rogerlbl7316 weird, I'm not sure why that's happening. Let me take a look and see if there's anything being auto-moderated. Update: just checked, nothing being held in the mod queue. I'm not sure why your comments aren't showing but feel free to shoot us an email! It's thelorelodge@gmail.com
"Coroner" and "Medical Examiner" are definitely two separate professions throughout the US, especially in rural areas. My Forensic Anth professor in college once told me about a time she responded to a call about human remains in a rural county, and the coroner was also the local tow truck operator. Sometimes it's literally just "the guy who can move the body".
to tack on to this, the aidens might wanna look into john oliver's segment on coroners and medical examiners. you need NOTHING to be a coroner except to win an election. medical examiners typically need at least something to achieve that position, but even then the requirements are shockingly low.
In our area the coroner is the local sheriff. They investigate and then contract with an actual pathologist for the autopsy. That seems to be common in small towns or counties.
@@tdarkhorse4you are correct. I live in Livingston County, KY. The coroner gets training through the Dept of Criminal Justice Training after election , but it is no where close to medical school. County coroners consult with a State Medical Examiner in Madisonville or Louisville with investigations beyond their knowledge.
Coroner is an elected official that doesn't need any medical training. Medical examiner is appointed and has some degree of medical training. Medical examiner investigator, is someone appointed by the medical examiner to investigate the scene and report back to them and they decide if the decedent is a case requiring an autopsy or can be released directly to the funeral home. MEI usually has some degree of medical or crime scene knowledge, many in the county I work as a funeral director are either EMS, former police officers, or assist at local funeral homes.
Hey guys, PLEASE look into what happened to Brenda Hamilton a retired school teacher in Beaufort (BO'Fort) NC back in 2012. She was killed by an animal attack. All that was ever released was "unknown canine DNA".
I remember that I can't believe you know the name and everything I remember hearing about that maybe we're trying to play it off they're like yeah she was killed viciously and violently by an unknown large canine or something and I never heard about the story again I always try to look out for it for years now.. glad to you know that wasn't just lost to time
@@gulf-foxtrot-yankee5600 yeah I'd love to see these guys look into it and see if they could come up with something more than "unknown canine dna". I heard it said something about "mixed breed dog" but that's gotta be b.s. because they can give you breeds on DNA of mixed breed dogs. They kid in Kentucky was named Corey Godfrey (iirc) and was drug from his window and couple hundred yards up a steep and overgrown hillside behind the family home. All I ever found released on him was "canine DNA" and something about "pack of stray dogs living in an abandoned mine shaft". There was another one in Georgia where a Deputy found a car in the roadway with the door open around 0400 with engine running. Belonged to a nurse on her way to work and she was found torn apart in woods off roadway after short search. Again I think they stated "canine DNA " with no breed identified. They speculated that she struck a wild dog as it crossed the road and she got out to check on it subsequently being attacked and killed. I can hardly imagine any kind of stray dog I've ever seen doing that BEFORE getting hit by car much less after. Whatever is happening that's three people in three States dead and not a good answer for a one of them. I'd love to see that changed.
Old school lore Lodge. Fantastic. I love learning about the missing persons cases, but this is the reason I got hooked on your channel. I don't care if its probably not true, it's a great story and you tell it so well. Thanks guys.
Want to make a correction that Roger makes it very clear that he was NOT part of the family. He was just joining them for a camping trip. The Cryptid Studies Institute did a fantastic interview where Roger straight up recounts the entire story from beginning to end.
Soo… if you’re a man and you, your wife and kids go camping, are you inclined to invite along a random young male of uncertain character to share your sleeping accommodations along with your wife and children? And if they already knew Roger somewhat, how do you account for the way nobody among their extended family, friends, classmates, coworkers seems to have missed them enough to file missing person reports, or hire a detective to find them, or contact the media?
@@myrrhsolace5875because they were excommunicated Amish people and Rodger explained that in detail in the original interview. His channel is literally called Roger LBL.
Literally same, I had nightmares about werewolves as a kid so I chalk it up to that but I’ve always been an inherently skeptical person. I’m a pharmacy major and try to only harbor hard evidence in terms of believing in these things. But for this cryptid in particular, I’m genuinely terrified after hearing Martin Groves account, and that through me down the rabbit hole. I think 9/10 stories are shit, but that 1/10 genuinely leave me scratching my brain.
@@joonbug3856 I'm a retired lawman myself as such I have a hard time with Mr.Groves story. I guarantee you he lost friends and faced ridicule for publicly telling that story, yet he did tell it. So, knowing that, would he really just make the whole thing up? Seems unlikely but would need to know him personally or see some comments from some or his former coworkers to know for sure.
If it makes you feel any better. If it was a canine related animal, it would not likely leave 5 scratch marks, the dew claw is so far back on canines the only time it normally scratches you is if they wrap their front legs around you - at which point other toes aren't in contact.
Havent watched the whole video, nor is what Im about to say necessarily about this particular story. But, anecdotal addition, "the lady at the gas station" (in a rural area) will ALWAYS be the best, or worst source of info, with absolutely no middle ground. IYKYK. The one we have, is incredible, she knows everything happening on our road.
Mine always knows my family's gossip before me and addresses me as "Oh! It's Becky's daughter! Here to western union your light bill Miss Becky's daughter?"
My entire family hails from Cadiz and Linton, and I grew up in a house a quarter mile from Lake Barkley. I’ve hunted, camped, fished and swam in LBL my whole life and there are so many creepy stories, legends and supposed first hand accounts of creatures, noises, UFOs and unexplained events that it boggles the mind.
I agree. I grew up in south central Kentucky in the 80's/90's and I remember all kinds of odd events down there. I also remember my 8th grade teacher going to LBL to vacation, that would have been 92, and I remember how all the teachers were making a big deal about her going there. There are several reasons why things are so bizarre down there. I mean, all the legends about the Circus train wrecks and exotic and extinct animals from the 1800's getting lose in the wild and hybrids walking around in the woods. The people who were displaced by all the land grabs to flood up them hills for power...there is a lot going on in the back woods dude.
There's many legends and tales in my part of Tennessee (my papa has many stories of seeing wild men, angels and stuff in the sky). But none of them have any hard proof they happened. And even tho so many people have searched actively for this stuff nothing has been found. Nothing that can't be explained by something more probable or easy to explain atleast. Not saying this stuff *isnt* true, or people are lying. Just it can just about always be explained by something easy and simple. Usually our memories not being reliable and/or missightings
@@engreem9281 depends on what it is they've encountered. Unfortunately with the supernatural most people will never encounter it or recognize it if they do. Given my past and what I was raised in and put through the supernatural has been constant in my life and I have seen, experienced and been a part of many things. Can I obtain proof? Sure. Unfortunately it wouldn't matter. Most people have their minds already made and no matter what evidence you show them they will refuse to believe it. The problem with western culture is that for the most part we have lost our sense and beliefs in the supernatural and it has created a culture of skeptics. But if you go to places like Africa, Romania or Haiti everyone knows about it and it's an everyday occurrence for them.
To be fair, my local game warden says there are no mountain lions in my county, utter bs. I got photos of their trackways in the dirt road outside my family's farm and have a photo of one inside an old storm cellar of the old homestead on the farm. Point is, local wildlife officials dont always know for sure what animals live in their area.
Your Game warden doesn't believe there are mountain lions in your county, so won't be looking for them, and these smart creatures can be very elusive. I think they are far more widespread than most experts claim.
That just means it's unlikely to see one not that there's literally zero mountain kitties. Mountain lions roam most the country you're just more likely to see them in certain places.
Yeah we've had mountain lion sightings in new england and officials always dismissed them but then a mountain lion was killed by a car in Connecticut. That's what it takes. A body. You can't say any area isn't part of their range because they can wander long distances. The one in Connecticut was traced back to the Dakotas by genealogy. That kitty was on an adventure.
@martinharris5017 He doesn't look for anything. The guy has stated to my face that he doesn't know what all animals live in the county. The guy's a joke. Even when I showed him the photos he called me a liar. I think he just doesn't want to actually do his job.
I grew up in KY. & we stayed there for a wk on a school trip in middle school. There’s definitely a heavy feeling there, & you constantly feel like you’re being stalked by something. Especially at night, the entire feeling you get is dark & the noises that you hear are unlike any other or any that you can explain away.
My family are from Campbellsville, the farm lands outside Louisville, and Whitley City. I always felt uneasy playing in the woods ridges when visiting for thanksgiving. Just creepy feeling no matter what. Had the weird "everything goes quiet and dark" thing happen a few years back hiking in Dog Slaughter when near the cave just past the falls. Felt for sure my friends and I were being watched when hiking in Natural Arch.
Aaahh, no one ever talks about LBL and this area is usually forgotten! I grew up near LBL and went every summer as a kid to the lakes because we couldn’t afford to go anywhere else for vacations lol I’m late so I’ll have to watch back later. Can’t wait! Edit: Lyon County is pronounced lion! This is so interesting! There are a lot of interesting stories around there, but I hadn’t heard the full story of the beast. The Hopkinsville goblins are another of my favorites from the area!
I feel this. I used to live in Clarksville TN. And I also had family in Memphis that I used to go and see on a weekly basis. And I’d hit Highway 79 which is the backroads way to get to Memphis going through Paris Landing, LBL, Milan, Mckenzy, etc. all the way to Jackson TN then hitting the highway for that last little stretch. And I spent many many solo nights on that road through LBL and surrounding area. And ALWAYS had my senses hella elevated whenever in that area. This was circa 2001-2006. Just cruising those back roads jamming to Haystak, and just keeping my eyes open. Seen lots of wierd shaddows and definitely have heard some creepy sounds in that area.
@@aaronmiller7954😂 it’s actually a really nice area! The fishing is good and it’s gorgeous out there. There is a nature station that is really cool and has some good wildlife education (and even has an observatory!). There is still an intact gravestone you can see peeking up above the water sometimes. Bodies were moved before it was flooded, but most other things were left. I used to go out fishing with my grandfather and he would point out the buildings on his fish finder
Lived near LBL for almost a decade. Fished, hunted and hiked across the entire region countless times. Never encountered anything weird but the legends are out there and people talk about them all the time. About 3 years ago Cryptid Study Institute found the “survivor” of the beast of LBL attack. They did an Interview with him and it was several hours long. Unfortunately the video has been made private due to copyright issues. The survivors name is Roger, and I listen to the whole video when it first came out. To be honest, I think I believe that guy.
I've actually spoken with Roger and know some of the guys from cryptid study institute. People have to be careful though. After Roger went public with that interview at least 2 other people claiming to be Roger have popped up and are doing everything they can to discredit the real one.
I remember that interview. He said all the gory stories are greatly exaggerated and there never was a body in the tree. The only reason he survived is because he climbed up underneath the chassis of the trailer. He heard the whole attack. The females were found in the trailer, the males were killed outside. Tragically the father Blew his own son's head off in an attempt to shoot the creature. "Roger" was very matter of fact while telling his story and I was left with the impression he was telling the truth.
@@robg2657 Roger has to be a damn good liar otherwise he is telling the truth, or what he believes to be true. like I stated before, just listen to him makes me want to believe everything, and I assist police/agency interviews and interrogation as a part of my job. I am usually pretty good at finding lies.
Land between the lakes. This name is both super descriptive and overwhelmingly vague at the same time. A temporary placeholder with permanently postponed change date.
The area used to be known as the Land Between the Rivers, since Kentucky Lake was formed by damming the Tennessee River and Lake Barkley from the Cumberland River. The farm my great-grandmother was born on is currently underneath Lake Barkley.
Also, Professor of Folktales & Folklore is an actual academic job. I considered it for my postgraduate work, but I didn’t want to move to Newfoundland.
In some places you can do a degree in mythology & folklore. I have a book of short stories, written by an author who has a degree in Slavic mythology. It sounds really fun
Fair warning: If you don't mention how there was never any mention of a 'Beast Between the Lakes' until that one short story came out, I'll be thoroughly disappointed in you.
Thank you for listening to all of us, this is the stuff i came here for i appreciate you doing missing persons cases that you can have an affect on but i came here for monsters
Great video,i just have to dispell a few shotgun myths. Range matters in all shotguns. They are all the same power level, a #7 pellet traveling 1200fps hits with the same energy whether it came from a 12 ga, 20ga or even a 410. The advantage of larger gauges is the ability to load larger diameter pellets and more of them.
I live in Lyon County on the east side of Berkeley lake, across from lbl. I have heard of a few stories of strange things that has happened in lbl over the years. There are a few stories of hikers that have gone missing. That I have also heard of. Hopefully the guy will come on your love show and tell his side of the story. I think I would be a good one. Really like the content you provide and can't wait for the next one. Great channel.
People say cats. Bears n wolfs as the scariest predators in the woods. Well take it from a country boy. Its the hogs that u need worry about. Some get as big as a small bear. And their mean. And have no prob eating a person fully bones n all
Hello, Lore Lodge! First, thank you for the shout out on my channel! I truly appreciate it. I've been to those bunkers many times so if I could possibly answer any questions about them you may have, I'll try my best based on what I've seen myself. I was also friends with Jan Thompson and had many conversations with her about everything paranormal. I enjoyed your well researched presentation on the Beast of LBL. I've seen all kinds of unexplainable things inside that beautiful but eerie peninsula between those lakes. And I have a short interview in the upcoming film by Greg Ogles titled Cryptid Expeditions:The Land Between the Lakes. This film will be groundbreaking in what they caught while filming there. Again, thank you for the shout out!
Of course! Always happy to highlight good work. If you'd have any interest, we'd be happy to have y'all on one of our live shows to talk about your experiences!
I whole heartedly believe in the dogman.. never told this to even my family but once at camp koa in MI back in the early 2000's we had to set up camp more in the woods compared to the normal open spot we used to always try and get. This new spot was right at the end of the dirt road where the camp sight ended, it was dusk when I saw the huge wolf like man figure slowly walking by on the other side of the dirt road deeper in the woods.... I was so scared I didn't move as to not make noise as my family were either still at the bathrooms or doing whatever they were doing. How I know it wasn't any other animal as it had at one point went on two legs for a few seconds before it disappeared off in the distance. I kept my eyes there until my mom came and took me out of my scared thoughts lol the next morning was when we were leaving so I remember sitting on the picnic table as the adults packed up everything and I kept a watch on the trees just in case.
i'm from AR and i've seen a dogman too. with two of my friends. we was outside a restaurant and it was dark. as clear as day though, it was a human dog person sitting straight up and looking at us. the worst thing about it was the human eyes and human shoulders. to this day, its the most terrifying thing any of us have ever seen.
@nizhoni3339 In what area of AR did you see it? I have never seen a dog man or Bigfoot yet. But I have had a very strong feeling of being watched at night in the last couple of years.
My mother was the county coroner for 8 years here in Floyd county, IN (-___- yeah it sucks). She never once had another coroner being called in from another a neighboring county. She said she wasnt aware of what circumstances would demand the presence of another county's coroner. Even when she was working on the Gibson case (he was a serial killer here in New Albany, IN; currently on IN's Death Row). That being said, she did have 3 deputy coroners who were supposed to fill in when she couldn't. Also, the smaller the county, the fewer the resources. It's possible, if this event did indeed occur as told, that they requested the presence of a neighboring county's coroner because they were at a complete and utter loss. That being said it would still be EXTREMELY unusual under any circumstances as county authorities are weird. They dont want other county's people getting involved when they can avoid it (which they will do like it's the f*cking plague). You would think they would just see each other as allies but not necessarily the case. Theyre mistrustful of one another.
Is it an elected position in Indiana? It is in Georgia (all counties I'm familiar with, anyway). I wonder if that has something to do with it: things get political, literally.
I didn’t want to say for certain it never happens, as I’m not a coroner and wasn’t able to find any definitive sources, but the one thing I saw was mass casualty events.
From the area. All sorts of legends. Dogman, Volkswagen sized cat fish. Sharks. Even heard stories of vampires growing up. Go out there on the damn Benton side at night. You’ll see why the stories are told.
I believe the catfish size. They can grow up to 8' long and over 200lbs. The Blue Catfish in Bagnell Dam in Missouri have the same reputation of being the size of a Volkswagen. Some people even say noodlin' (catching a catfish with your bare hand by diving under the watet and shoving your hand into the fish's mouth then pulling it out of it's den) was outlawed in Missouri because people would get eaten by the fish when they tried that. It was actually just to stop people from destroying the catfish dens and killing off the species.
This is mostly a comment for Aidan II. By the way, I just wanted to acknowledge the great use of Star Trek-style lighting for these videos. It really does add to the overall aesthetic of the channel. Big thumbs up 👍
Fairly confident the closest thing to a monster encounter you’ll find in LBL is a random tweaker trying to find their fix. But the chance to eat at Patti’s is worth the trip alone.
@@Dont_Poke_The_Bear OMG! Wow! Those 2 inch Pork Chops are to die for!!! I’m less than 10 mins from Patti’s when I’m in Kuttawa at the lake house and always buy their seasoning.
I haven't been to Patti's since my grandma who lived in the area passed away 20 years ago but I still dream about the flowerpot bread. And have nightmares about the guy in the bathtub in the restroom. That thing scared the shit out of me as a kid 😂.
Thank you for clarifying the difference between the roles of a coroner vs that of a medical examiner. My mother was the county coroner for Floyd county for 8 years. Shes a veterinarian AND a mortician AND a small plane pilot. Therefore has an immense amount of medical knowledge dealing with both people and animals but is not a physician. It was also an elected position (which it really shouldnt be but whatever). Medical examiners are always physicians (pathologists specifically) and are not elected.. But anyways, too many people get the two confused and its annoying.
I used to live in Cummings,about one road over from lake Lanier, my dogs use to go down to the lake and one came back with cuts to his face, my wife babied him for weeks, a great parinses, may have spelled that wrong.
I was a boy scout back in the 1980s One year we had a Jamboree at LBL, and some of the older boys told us there had been a werewolf attack at one time At the time I thought they were just trying to scare the younger kids I didn't learn of this attack until many years later
Jan's story is written like, well, a story. When you recount something you heard, you don't go into useless details. We don't need to know about Adam's 'azure eyes', Jan. As for Roger, I don't believe him because it's all very convenient. Because if you're attacked by some large beast, LEAVING THE LARGE METAL BOX YOU'RE IN TO HIDE UNDERNEATH IT is so far beyond a logical course of action as to be absurd... but the story was already told: The creature got into the trailer so for the new story to work, he had to NOT be in the trailer. I'm not saying they're lying, I'm saying I don't believe a damn word out of their mouth Lol
As a seasoned writer, she wanted to present her accounts/encounters as captivating pieces for listeners/readers; as opposed to the boring 'I saw, he saw, she saw...' Go watch Hunt The Dogman and listen to her interview.
That's western kentucky, but at least in eastern Kentucky I've always heard haw we don't have mountain lions that we do have. Admittedly they probably are passing through and are super rare.
Just in eastern ky you got both bobcats and my wife’s mom saw a mountain lion come out of the woods. She was worried for her outside cats. But, my wife’s aunt, her cat was killed by a bobcat or mountain lion.
You asked. We spoke. You listened! Don't get me wrong, the missing persons stuff is fascinating and y'all do a great job with it, but I'm afraid I was one of the people tuning out most weeks after too much of it in a row. I can't get enough of your takes on cryptids and folklore, though. And would really like to see more film lore deep dives as well. One that dovetails with this story could be "The Howling" franchise, although finding a systematic set of werewolf rules out of that series is definitely not for the faint of heart...
I live like 20 miles from LBL and I've never heard this story. Lol. I've camped there 100s of times. I'm curious where this came from, because it isn't something that goes around locally. At least not largely. I've met thousands of people there over the years, and have lived here my entire life. I'm 42, and I've legitimately never heard this before.
When I asked about these ridiculous stories. I was told it brings in the tourist. lol. Plus why people want to call the remnants of old homes, bunkers is just stupid
I live in Owensboro Ky, and have a lake house 10 minutes from LBL. I also live 20 minutes from Spottsville KY which is the home of the Spottsville Monster where there was several sightings. I think they called it Dogman.
Super interested in this episode, Land Between was always my family's favorite place to travel for camping trips. Never heard of this story before now. Can't say we ever had any experiences out there, but the view of the stars at the outdoor camp showers is AMAZING.
I was camping there one night during the summer and I had a fever dream that the creature was staring at me while sleeping in the bed of my truck. Woke up and heard rustling in the woods… My buddy comes stumbling out after taking a piss. About shit my pants lol
I love your channel! The history behind the places/people is very interesting, so, thank you for including that. I only watch you guys and The Missing Enigma for these types of stories because I want the facts of such cases. You can't put new episodes out fast enough! I could watch hours of your channel, and, binged from episode 1 thru til the most recent! Sending much love from Alabama!!
A few notes: Federal land often has bunkers and similar structures for anything from ammo storage, to maintenance, to cold war preperations; many abandoned, destroyed or now repurposed for conservation work. The Forest Service has, essentially, a special operations unit. They're tactd out like a swat team, with I assume variations in uniform from location to location... I have details from a forestry proffesor of an encounter with them... the USPS does too and they know where you live. Last bit, MBAS and similar acts allow for local law, fire, and EMS to respond to federal land relieving jurisdiction to the next highest authority until the appropriate agency responds to take control: local -> county -> state -> federal
just to put out on my, internet doesn't lie "authority," I am a forestry major. Worked as a contractor for wildfires, and I am an avid hiker, backpacker, and tracker. All those hats required knowledge of what I stated in my first post.
I’ve hiked LBL extensively. Both solo and with friends, and always backcountry camp. I have literally never encountered anything that would lead me to believe there is anything “out there”. 😂
Those bunkers sound like the "Vampire Hotel" used by Rod Ferrell and his vampire cult. But maybe the Land between the Lakes is just dotted with those concrete structures?
@@pentegarn1 yup, that one and hotel California on the north end get confused a lot. All of the ‘bunkers’ are basements and cellar of old foundations of homes that were left behind when the park was made.
I don't remember where I read it, but I do remember reading about native Americans having some folklore from this area. Greeting from Eastern Kentucky!
I’ve been to this park as a child and I’ve grown up in Kentucky. Say what you want about the state but I find our nature to be so beautiful especially in autumn. This comment has no relation to the video other than I’m happy to see a channel that I’ve come to love finally cover the place I call home! So much love from Kentucky guys ❤
Jan's account sounds like a Creepypasta story. Far too heavily embellished and filled with irrelevant but picturesque and skillfully recounted prose. Certainly not the terrified retelling of a traumatized witness. It would be really great to hear Roger speak on your channel. I hope he responds to your callout.
It’s so funny how many of these cryptid stories can be explained away by acknowledging it was probably a Rabid Bear with Mange. Google some of those pictures, poor things look absolutely terrifying
LBL MENTIONED. I used to have to take the ferry out there to bid on home improvement stuff for an old job. Service isn't stellar and one time the GPS wanted me to drive into the lake... Beautiful place though.
I've camped and hiked in LBL numerous times and there are some areas that I have always felt uncomfortable traversing. LBL also has a large number of staircases in the woods left over from the old family farms that were abandoned when the government bought the region from the 1930's through the early 1960's.
As someone who lives down around this area, who has heard a story or two but never this one, well done! I certainly look forward to any follow up information you might come across from a potential interview with Roger. These woods have secrets, I have no doubts. But, it never fails to blow me away when I hear a new story! Great job, man!
Thank you for consistently dropping such well made and well researched content. It’s truly a breath of fresh air. Everyone on the Lore Lodge team is a legend
My family vacationed on Kentucky Lake and Lake Barkley in our cabin cruiser in 1987. We docked at Green Turtle Bay. I’ve never heard this story before!
So excited that you briefly got into children of the looptaroo! When I was a kid my dad used to tell us about the kids that slept in his garage and barn during the winter. Parents used to abandon their children in the woods if they could not feed and clothe them. And they would find farmers to take these young children in... true story. My grandfather on my mom's side of the family was abandoned by his father when he was three years old after his mother died!!! He had his five year old brother to watch over him!?!?! The worst part of the whole story is that my great grandfather was actually abandoned by his own father when his mother died decades earlier!?!? I couldn't imagine doing that to my children but to have gone through that pain and then inflict it on your own children--- yeah it was a different time. But I have sooooo much more to say about this subject as I have researched it a lot over the years. Also, I appreciate when you lay out exactly what you would like us to do. I love history so I will look for that history hut channel and do what you said. Hopefully you can make money on it!
We used to go to that area all the time for vacations. And even just for the fun of it cuz it's beautiful. This is the first time I ever heard of that story. And we had good friends that live down there.
17:03 It's 3:06am. Right as he said the part about the window break, one of my kids got up to use the bathroom. Her door kinda sticks so it opens loudly. That gave me a massive jump.
Cryptid Studies Institute has a ton of info on the lbl. Martin Groves tells the most terrifying dogman / bigfoot encounter I've ever heard from the lbl.
First reaction. I doubt this occurred. If it did, Jen's story sounds a lot like a cougar attack, especially the Body up in the tree part, they do that too keep other predators away from their kills. That and grey-brown fur give me major cougar vibes. The other Guy's story sounded really weird and unbelievable. It had details that don't make sense Like how the 911 operator would know to call a specific para military group.
You give me a senior (ten years +) Dispatcher and she'll know who to call for ANYTHING! Particularly if she's a 3rd shift Dispatcher. And yes she will be a she.
While I do not believe in the supernatural, aliens, or cryptids, I think that man is arrogant to believe that we've discovered every single type of animal on the whole earth.
by that exact logic, you do believe in cryptids. I mean not necessarily specific cryptids, but the term in general, and most of the kinds, fall under “weird animal that is legitimately plausible just not backed by scientific discovery”. It’s not like every single cryptid is some massive cold blooded killer with poison that kills everything instantly😂
We didn't believe either. We have a ghost that lives with us! Bessie Beavers. Knew her before she died...know her better since death!. We love you Bessie!
You are so awesome for doing this story! Thank you! I knew you would be able to get more information than I was able to. I couldn't find very much at all. So I am with you on the subject- maybe something actually happened. But what? I can't find anything about a family that disappeared or was killed while on vacation. So if this was real, the government did a perfect job of covering it up. Scary.😳 Another wonderful job, Professor Folk Tale. 🙃
The one thing that intrigues me is the motorbike story, you place the event on the north end. All others left this tale ambiguous and I was deducing it to be on the south end since that's were residential property borders LBL. However, most of the sightings and stories come from the north end. For the sake of argument lets suppose a dogman is real, would it swim the water to the other side or walk the bridge? I've been to LBL once ever, March 2023, spent 3 nights there. Spent 2 nights camped at Fords Bay boat ramp at the end of FD-347. At dusk I heard this howling noise briefly. Middle of the night I thought I was awakened by a light and voices, someone said "yeah he's in there" (I had set up a tent but slept in the SUV because of the expected freeze). My trail cam caught nothing, no new footprints or tracks, the light coat of dust on the car undisturbed. I thought maybe it had been someone on horseback because of the height of the light and I wasn't too far from the horse camp and this was part of the horse trail. But no hoof prints, even though the ground was soft. Next 2 nights, nothing. The 3rd and final night I moved to just north of Crocket Bay at the end of 204 on the shore. It rained all night (reason for moving I needed cell signal for a conference call and internet access to send emails). I want to spend more time there, but I live 500 miles away. I've been to so many woods and forests and wilderness, but LBL gives me the creeps, moreso than the alleged haunted woods in Germany. Moreso than the Ozarks. Moreso than grizzly country in Montana. Moreso than the other alleged dogman woods in Michigan.
Please look into Martin Groves story and get him on the show, Mattis! His story is locktight and he was law enforcement and an avid outdoorsman. He’s the one who opened me up to the possibility of this creature.
I like both the folktale and the professor aspects, personally. Being from Tennessee, I''d heard whispers of the "beast"; but this was the first time I'd heard this story. You've got me wanting to do my own research, now. Hope you can convince "Roger" to come on your show.
I have honestly never heard this story before. Stories like this make me want to buy/make one of those vans you can live out of and just go from place to place and film!/make videos.
You should check out the cattle mutilations in Colorado’s San Luis Valley-Christopher O’Brien wrote a great book about it! The area is super interesting and packed with weird stuff and history.
Being a former lawman myself have a hard time imagining Groves just making that story up. Most of us are very skeptical and cynical as all Hell. I know he's lost friends and been ridiculed for publicly coming out with such a tale, and yet he did, so.....
His story is full of more holes than Swiss cheese. About half of it makes no sense & His description of the area & other small details point towards BS
Would like to hear Isaiah's take on the gun talk. A 20 gauge is no 12 gauge but no joke. On the other hand, the most important factor is ammo. Bird shot is of limited use even from a 10 gauge at all but point blank range while buck shot or slugs from a 20 are deadly within close distance. Also, I believe I heard that Roger was not part of the family but a friend of one of the children and just camping with them. Maybe this was a later story though. Either way, love this episode! It really made my Friday.
Assuming an incident occurred - Could it also be that someone else found the situation while Roger was at the farmer's place so there were two groups reporting the same incident? Also, what level of professional courtesy exists when a group having professional jurisdiction takes over from a group that arrived first. Whoever was closest might not have had jurisdiction but was there to try to keep the situation from escalating. It could also be a situation similar to one explained in the tv series Sasquatch where someone talks about using a cryptid attack to cover illegal activity.
FOLKLORE !!! [OLDSCHOOL] Nice job on this vid and the last - you had strayed from the format and energy that I loved, but seem to be returning to it. Keep it up. Thank you 🙏
That bridge on 68 that goes across the lake is so creepy in the middle of the night with the fog coming from the lake, I drive through there at night all the time so thanks for freaking me out lol. Also mammoth cave is not far from there and it's the most expansive cave network in the world and I believe its not even fully mapped.
I live about one and a half hours from LBL and have been there several times. I first heard of the beast of LBL a few years while watching a youtube video made by a father and son. i don't remember the name of the channel now but they got in touch with Roger and interviewed him on their channel. He said he was NOT a member of the family killed but was a friend of the son and was invited to go on the camping trip with them. The father of the youtube channel has passed away and I believe they decided after a while that they did not believe Roger's story. I am not saying that it's not true just that the youtube chanel no longer believed Roger was there. Also at the time in the 1980s LBL was managed by the TVA not the Forrest Service.
I believe that would be Johnny and Elijah Henderson from Cryptid Studies Institute. Johnny is no longer with us, sadly, but Elijah and his sister Gabby are still investigating! Great people and have had the opportunity to investigate in the LBL with them a few times.
Lived and grew up right by LBL backpacking and hanging out on the lakes my whole childhood looked up every scary folklore place from the vampire hotel to weirded places. There isn’t a dogma. I only heard about it after I left home in 2015 .
I wouldn't believe anything that Roger said. Contact Joedy Cooke or Nick Valiente of the North American Dogman Project (NADP) if you want to know why. You can also reach out to Hellbent Holler they have done boots on the ground in the LBL.
This was so shocking to see. I've camped at LBL dozens of times, and the scariest thing that's ever happened was the year the fireworks at the independence day show were blown into the crowd by an incoming storm (that iirc spawned some tornados)
I just watched the dogman territory:Werewolves in the Land Between the Lakes documentary and "Roger" talked to the investigator Aaron Deese and had claimed to be a friend of the son of the family that was killed..they only had 1 son and a daughter. Roger seems to be lying and also the so called massacre happened in 1982..
Another great episode ! For me , there is not a more terrifying cryptid than the dogman or a werewolf . I could not imagine seeing one of these things !
Bruh I went to Land Between the Lakes for the 2017 solar eclipse during college 😮 We slept overnight in tents and were bothered by racoons in the night. It was one of the best, if not THE best experience of my life. I remember me and my group hearing a large howl in the distance and arguing over whether it was just a dog or not. Then I see this title and I'm like Werewolf? 😅
One of the things that makes me get the smallest amount of belief in the story is the federal or state agencies covering it up. I know from experience that they cover up everything. They classify everything just as a matter of course. Even things that make absolutely no sense to classify and cover up to and including meals that are distributed to people who are working under contract for the federal or state agency. Yeah, that's actually a thing they do that makes no sense yet, just as a matter of course, they slap classified on everything and cover up everything. Just because it's part of their protocol to do that now. It has been ever since the 60s.
My grandparents live in the lbl area and my grandmother has told me bits and pieces of these stories its great to hear them in full (its also weird to hear a youtuber talk abt local places)
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I always listen because I'm too busy diamond painting to stop until it's over, then I have already heard the pitch.
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"Coroner" and "Medical Examiner" are definitely two separate professions throughout the US, especially in rural areas. My Forensic Anth professor in college once told me about a time she responded to a call about human remains in a rural county, and the coroner was also the local tow truck operator. Sometimes it's literally just "the guy who can move the body".
to tack on to this, the aidens might wanna look into john oliver's segment on coroners and medical examiners. you need NOTHING to be a coroner except to win an election. medical examiners typically need at least something to achieve that position, but even then the requirements are shockingly low.
In our area the coroner is the local sheriff. They investigate and then contract with an actual pathologist for the autopsy. That seems to be common in small towns or counties.
@@tdarkhorse4you are correct. I live in Livingston County, KY. The coroner gets training through the Dept of Criminal Justice Training after election , but it is no where close to medical school. County coroners consult with a State Medical Examiner in Madisonville or Louisville with investigations beyond their knowledge.
the small town corner is the guy that if you ask him about Vietnam he just takes a longer sip of his beer
Coroner is an elected official that doesn't need any medical training. Medical examiner is appointed and has some degree of medical training. Medical examiner investigator, is someone appointed by the medical examiner to investigate the scene and report back to them and they decide if the decedent is a case requiring an autopsy or can be released directly to the funeral home. MEI usually has some degree of medical or crime scene knowledge, many in the county I work as a funeral director are either EMS, former police officers, or assist at local funeral homes.
Hey guys, PLEASE look into what happened to Brenda Hamilton a retired school teacher in Beaufort (BO'Fort) NC back in 2012. She was killed by an animal attack. All that was ever released was "unknown canine DNA".
Also young teen killed in Kentucky a few years ago by a large canine-like animal.
Both totally creepy and sad! These things exist
Croatan national forest always gave me an uneasy feeling
I remember that I can't believe you know the name and everything I remember hearing about that maybe we're trying to play it off they're like yeah she was killed viciously and violently by an unknown large canine or something and I never heard about the story again I always try to look out for it for years now.. glad to you know that wasn't just lost to time
@@gulf-foxtrot-yankee5600 yeah I'd love to see these guys look into it and see if they could come up with something more than "unknown canine dna". I heard it said something about "mixed breed dog" but that's gotta be b.s. because they can give you breeds on DNA of mixed breed dogs. They kid in Kentucky was named Corey Godfrey (iirc) and was drug from his window and couple hundred yards up a steep and overgrown hillside behind the family home. All I ever found released on him was "canine DNA" and something about "pack of stray dogs living in an abandoned mine shaft". There was another one in Georgia where a Deputy found a car in the roadway with the door open around 0400 with engine running. Belonged to a nurse on her way to work and she was found torn apart in woods off roadway after short search. Again I think they stated "canine DNA " with no breed identified. They speculated that she struck a wild dog as it crossed the road and she got out to check on it subsequently being attacked and killed. I can hardly imagine any kind of stray dog I've ever seen doing that BEFORE getting hit by car much less after. Whatever is happening that's three people in three States dead and not a good answer for a one of them. I'd love to see that changed.
Old school lore Lodge. Fantastic. I love learning about the missing persons cases, but this is the reason I got hooked on your channel. I don't care if its probably not true, it's a great story and you tell it so well. Thanks guys.
I’ve seen them for myself !!
These things are real and people have been killed by them
@@ericstevens8744Lol
Yeah! I love Aidan's missing 411 and adjacent videos but this is my favorite video in a long time
I'm the same
@@ericstevens8744Stop lying.
Want to make a correction that Roger makes it very clear that he was NOT part of the family. He was just joining them for a camping trip. The Cryptid Studies Institute did a fantastic interview where Roger straight up recounts the entire story from beginning to end.
I watched that whole thing and I am shocked by how much was changed in the story most people know and tell.
I went back and the video is private now. Bed times stories mentioned Rodger's story too.
Soo… if you’re a man and you, your wife and kids go camping, are you inclined to invite along a random young male of uncertain character to share your sleeping accommodations along with your wife and children? And if they already knew Roger somewhat, how do you account for the way nobody among their extended family, friends, classmates, coworkers seems to have missed them enough to file missing person reports, or hire a detective to find them, or contact the media?
Roger is a fraud. His real name is Russell Pitman
@@myrrhsolace5875because they were excommunicated Amish people and Rodger explained that in detail in the original interview. His channel is literally called Roger LBL.
Nothing puts fear in me more then Dog Man
and nothing puts joy in me like a new Lore Lodge video
Obviously you have not been in the vicinity of enraged mother-n-law.
Woof
Literally same, I had nightmares about werewolves as a kid so I chalk it up to that but I’ve always been an inherently skeptical person. I’m a pharmacy major and try to only harbor hard evidence in terms of believing in these things. But for this cryptid in particular, I’m genuinely terrified after hearing Martin Groves account, and that through me down the rabbit hole. I think 9/10 stories are shit, but that 1/10 genuinely leave me scratching my brain.
@@joonbug3856 I'm a retired lawman myself as such I have a hard time with Mr.Groves story. I guarantee you he lost friends and faced ridicule for publicly telling that story, yet he did tell it. So, knowing that, would he really just make the whole thing up? Seems unlikely but would need to know him personally or see some comments from some or his former coworkers to know for sure.
If it makes you feel any better. If it was a canine related animal, it would not likely leave 5 scratch marks, the dew claw is so far back on canines the only time it normally scratches you is if they wrap their front legs around you - at which point other toes aren't in contact.
Havent watched the whole video, nor is what Im about to say necessarily about this particular story.
But, anecdotal addition, "the lady at the gas station" (in a rural area) will ALWAYS be the best, or worst source of info, with absolutely no middle ground.
IYKYK.
The one we have, is incredible, she knows everything happening on our road.
Mine always knows my family's gossip before me and addresses me as "Oh! It's Becky's daughter! Here to western union your light bill Miss Becky's daughter?"
My entire family hails from Cadiz and Linton, and I grew up in a house a quarter mile from Lake Barkley. I’ve hunted, camped, fished and swam in LBL my whole life and there are so many creepy stories, legends and supposed first hand accounts of creatures, noises, UFOs and unexplained events that it boggles the mind.
I agree. I grew up in south central Kentucky in the 80's/90's and I remember all kinds of odd events down there. I also remember my 8th grade teacher going to LBL to vacation, that would have been 92, and I remember how all the teachers were making a big deal about her going there. There are several reasons why things are so bizarre down there. I mean, all the legends about the Circus train wrecks and exotic and extinct animals from the 1800's getting lose in the wild and hybrids walking around in the woods. The people who were displaced by all the land grabs to flood up them hills for power...there is a lot going on in the back woods dude.
Well this legend didn't happen until that short story came out so....pretty fake.
@6HauntedDays cuz that somehow totally discounts every other siting and encounter anyone has ever had in the area.
There's many legends and tales in my part of Tennessee (my papa has many stories of seeing wild men, angels and stuff in the sky). But none of them have any hard proof they happened. And even tho so many people have searched actively for this stuff nothing has been found.
Nothing that can't be explained by something more probable or easy to explain atleast.
Not saying this stuff *isnt* true, or people are lying. Just it can just about always be explained by something easy and simple. Usually our memories not being reliable and/or missightings
@@engreem9281 depends on what it is they've encountered. Unfortunately with the supernatural most people will never encounter it or recognize it if they do. Given my past and what I was raised in and put through the supernatural has been constant in my life and I have seen, experienced and been a part of many things. Can I obtain proof? Sure. Unfortunately it wouldn't matter. Most people have their minds already made and no matter what evidence you show them they will refuse to believe it. The problem with western culture is that for the most part we have lost our sense and beliefs in the supernatural and it has created a culture of skeptics. But if you go to places like Africa, Romania or Haiti everyone knows about it and it's an everyday occurrence for them.
To be fair, my local game warden says there are no mountain lions in my county, utter bs. I got photos of their trackways in the dirt road outside my family's farm and have a photo of one inside an old storm cellar of the old homestead on the farm. Point is, local wildlife officials dont always know for sure what animals live in their area.
Your Game warden doesn't believe there are mountain lions in your county, so won't be looking for them, and these smart creatures can be very elusive. I think they are far more widespread than most experts claim.
That just means it's unlikely to see one not that there's literally zero mountain kitties. Mountain lions roam most the country you're just more likely to see them in certain places.
Yeah we've had mountain lion sightings in new england and officials always dismissed them but then a mountain lion was killed by a car in Connecticut. That's what it takes. A body. You can't say any area isn't part of their range because they can wander long distances. The one in Connecticut was traced back to the Dakotas by genealogy. That kitty was on an adventure.
@martinharris5017 He doesn't look for anything. The guy has stated to my face that he doesn't know what all animals live in the county. The guy's a joke. Even when I showed him the photos he called me a liar. I think he just doesn't want to actually do his job.
Yeah, especially when people dump their “exotic pets” wherever they feel like. Seems plain stupid and to rule out any animal tbh.
Speaking of JFK, its 61 years ago today that he was assassinated in Dallas, Texas.
Thank you for remembering President John Fitzgerald Kennedy on this day.
Thank you for remembering and thereby honoring the late,great President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. RIP JFK
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I grew up in KY. & we stayed there for a wk on a school trip in middle school. There’s definitely a heavy feeling there, & you constantly feel like you’re being stalked by something. Especially at night, the entire feeling you get is dark & the noises that you hear are unlike any other or any that you can explain away.
My family are from Campbellsville, the farm lands outside Louisville, and Whitley City.
I always felt uneasy playing in the woods ridges when visiting for thanksgiving. Just creepy feeling no matter what.
Had the weird "everything goes quiet and dark" thing happen a few years back hiking in Dog Slaughter when near the cave just past the falls.
Felt for sure my friends and I were being watched when hiking in Natural Arch.
The name "Dog Slaughter" alone induces shivers lol.
Aaahh, no one ever talks about LBL and this area is usually forgotten! I grew up near LBL and went every summer as a kid to the lakes because we couldn’t afford to go anywhere else for vacations lol I’m late so I’ll have to watch back later. Can’t wait!
Edit: Lyon County is pronounced lion!
This is so interesting! There are a lot of interesting stories around there, but I hadn’t heard the full story of the beast. The Hopkinsville goblins are another of my favorites from the area!
Mom can we go to the lake this summer?. No! But we can go to the land between them. 😂
I feel this. I used to live in Clarksville TN. And I also had family in Memphis that I used to go and see on a weekly basis. And I’d hit Highway 79 which is the backroads way to get to Memphis going through Paris Landing, LBL, Milan, Mckenzy, etc. all the way to Jackson TN then hitting the highway for that last little stretch. And I spent many many solo nights on that road through LBL and surrounding area. And ALWAYS had my senses hella elevated whenever in that area. This was circa 2001-2006. Just cruising those back roads jamming to Haystak, and just keeping my eyes open. Seen lots of wierd shaddows and definitely have heard some creepy sounds in that area.
@@aaronmiller7954😂 it’s actually a really nice area! The fishing is good and it’s gorgeous out there. There is a nature station that is really cool and has some good wildlife education (and even has an observatory!). There is still an intact gravestone you can see peeking up above the water sometimes. Bodies were moved before it was flooded, but most other things were left. I used to go out fishing with my grandfather and he would point out the buildings on his fish finder
I'm behind the live stream, but I gotta say Jan writes like a No Sleep contributor.
@@bbtiffid because that’s what this story is
Lived near LBL for almost a decade. Fished, hunted and hiked across the entire region countless times. Never encountered anything weird but the legends are out there and people talk about them all the time. About 3 years ago Cryptid Study Institute found the “survivor” of the beast of LBL attack. They did an
Interview with him and it was several hours long. Unfortunately the video has been made private due to copyright issues. The survivors name is Roger, and I listen to the whole video when it first came out. To be honest, I think I believe that guy.
Very believable. Why would these people straight up lie over something like this?
I've actually spoken with Roger and know some of the guys from cryptid study institute. People have to be careful though. After Roger went public with that interview at least 2 other people claiming to be Roger have popped up and are doing everything they can to discredit the real one.
I heard it too, and he's very believable. I'm not sure I believe it. I don't like this contradiction, either!
I remember that interview. He said all the gory stories are greatly exaggerated and there never was a body in the tree. The only reason he survived is because he climbed up underneath the chassis of the trailer. He heard the whole attack. The females were found in the trailer, the males were killed outside. Tragically the father Blew his own son's head off in an attempt to shoot the creature.
"Roger" was very matter of fact while telling his story and I was left with the impression he was telling the truth.
@@robg2657 Roger has to be a damn good liar otherwise he is telling the truth, or what he believes to be true. like I stated before, just listen to him makes me want to believe everything, and I assist police/agency interviews and interrogation as a part of my job. I am usually pretty good at finding lies.
Land between the lakes.
This name is both super descriptive and overwhelmingly vague at the same time.
A temporary placeholder with permanently postponed change date.
Sounds like something you read in a novel somewhere.
The area used to be known as the Land Between the Rivers, since Kentucky Lake was formed by damming the Tennessee River and Lake Barkley from the Cumberland River. The farm my great-grandmother was born on is currently underneath Lake Barkley.
Me with my Elden Ring Brain: "The Lands between"
Also, Professor of Folktales & Folklore is an actual academic job. I considered it for my postgraduate work, but I didn’t want to move to Newfoundland.
I think I know the exact program you’re talking about, and I know someone who did it haha
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To bad. We are pretty awesome.
In some places you can do a degree in mythology & folklore. I have a book of short stories, written by an author who has a degree in Slavic mythology. It sounds really fun
Fair warning: If you don't mention how there was never any mention of a 'Beast Between the Lakes' until that one short story came out, I'll be thoroughly disappointed in you.
Have some faith in me
The BBL
@@ashstr2021Drizzy….I know you meant LBL but I couldn’t resist
There wad but it wasn't a werewolf it was just bigfoot
If you go throught the history of that region there has been stories of things there before the whites ever came
Thank you for listening to all of us, this is the stuff i came here for i appreciate you doing missing persons cases that you can have an affect on but i came here for monsters
Great video,i just have to dispell a few shotgun myths. Range matters in all shotguns. They are all the same power level, a #7 pellet traveling 1200fps hits with the same energy whether it came from a 12 ga, 20ga or even a 410. The advantage of larger gauges is the ability to load larger diameter pellets and more of them.
Mattis, your investigative skills never fail to impress
I live in Lyon County on the east side of Berkeley lake, across from lbl. I have heard of a few stories of strange things that has happened in lbl over the years. There are a few stories of hikers that have gone missing. That I have also heard of. Hopefully the guy will come on your love show and tell his side of the story. I think I would be a good one. Really like the content you provide and can't wait for the next one. Great channel.
People say cats. Bears n wolfs as the scariest predators in the woods. Well take it from a country boy. Its the hogs that u need worry about. Some get as big as a small bear. And their mean. And have no prob eating a person fully bones n all
U got that right!!😵
Hello, Lore Lodge! First, thank you for the shout out on my channel! I truly appreciate it. I've been to those bunkers many times so if I could possibly answer any questions about them you may have, I'll try my best based on what I've seen myself. I was also friends with Jan Thompson and had many conversations with her about everything paranormal. I enjoyed your well researched presentation on the Beast of LBL. I've seen all kinds of unexplainable things inside that beautiful but eerie peninsula between those lakes. And I have a short interview in the upcoming film by Greg Ogles titled Cryptid Expeditions:The Land Between the Lakes. This film will be groundbreaking in what they caught while filming there. Again, thank you for the shout out!
Of course! Always happy to highlight good work. If you'd have any interest, we'd be happy to have y'all on one of our live shows to talk about your experiences!
@TheLoreLodge Sure, we would be interested. There's odd things we've seen in the LBL. Thank you for asking us!
@ can you shoot us an email so we can discuss? The account is thelorelodge@gmail.com
I whole heartedly believe in the dogman.. never told this to even my family but once at camp koa in MI back in the early 2000's we had to set up camp more in the woods compared to the normal open spot we used to always try and get. This new spot was right at the end of the dirt road where the camp sight ended, it was dusk when I saw the huge wolf like man figure slowly walking by on the other side of the dirt road deeper in the woods.... I was so scared I didn't move as to not make noise as my family were either still at the bathrooms or doing whatever they were doing. How I know it wasn't any other animal as it had at one point went on two legs for a few seconds before it disappeared off in the distance. I kept my eyes there until my mom came and took me out of my scared thoughts lol the next morning was when we were leaving so I remember sitting on the picnic table as the adults packed up everything and I kept a watch on the trees just in case.
i'm from AR and i've seen a dogman too. with two of my friends. we was outside a restaurant and it was dark. as clear as day though, it was a human dog person sitting straight up and looking at us. the worst thing about it was the human eyes and human shoulders. to this day, its the most terrifying thing any of us have ever seen.
@nizhoni3339 In what area of AR did you see it? I have never seen a dog man or Bigfoot yet. But I have had a very strong feeling of being watched at night in the last couple of years.
@AsmoGhoul I 100% believe you. I saw one in South Western Pennsylvania near the West Virginia border.
@@nizhoni3339 E... Ed...Edward
Bears occasionally get up on two legs
My mother was the county coroner for 8 years here in Floyd county, IN (-___- yeah it sucks). She never once had another coroner being called in from another a neighboring county. She said she wasnt aware of what circumstances would demand the presence of another county's coroner. Even when she was working on the Gibson case (he was a serial killer here in New Albany, IN; currently on IN's Death Row). That being said, she did have 3 deputy coroners who were supposed to fill in when she couldn't. Also, the smaller the county, the fewer the resources. It's possible, if this event did indeed occur as told, that they requested the presence of a neighboring county's coroner because they were at a complete and utter loss. That being said it would still be EXTREMELY unusual under any circumstances as county authorities are weird. They dont want other county's people getting involved when they can avoid it (which they will do like it's the f*cking plague). You would think they would just see each other as allies but not necessarily the case. Theyre mistrustful of one another.
Is it an elected position in Indiana? It is in Georgia (all counties I'm familiar with, anyway). I wonder if that has something to do with it: things get political, literally.
I didn’t want to say for certain it never happens, as I’m not a coroner and wasn’t able to find any definitive sources, but the one thing I saw was mass casualty events.
From the area. All sorts of legends. Dogman, Volkswagen sized cat fish. Sharks. Even heard stories of vampires growing up. Go out there on the damn Benton side at night. You’ll see why the stories are told.
I believe the catfish size. They can grow up to 8' long and over 200lbs. The Blue Catfish in Bagnell Dam in Missouri have the same reputation of being the size of a Volkswagen. Some people even say noodlin' (catching a catfish with your bare hand by diving under the watet and shoving your hand into the fish's mouth then pulling it out of it's den) was outlawed in Missouri because people would get eaten by the fish when they tried that.
It was actually just to stop people from destroying the catfish dens and killing off the species.
Volkswagen sized catfish is barely a legend, those things get MASSIVE
Every tva dam has a huge catfish story at its bottom
Benton side? What does that mean?
This is mostly a comment for Aidan II.
By the way, I just wanted to acknowledge the great use of Star Trek-style lighting for these videos. It really does add to the overall aesthetic of the channel. Big thumbs up 👍
Chiaroscuro. So artsy and on point.
Fairly confident the closest thing to a monster encounter you’ll find in LBL is a random tweaker trying to find their fix. But the chance to eat at Patti’s is worth the trip alone.
Agreed!! The porkchops are phenomenal!
@@Dont_Poke_The_Bear OMG! Wow! Those 2 inch Pork Chops are to die for!!! I’m less than 10 mins from Patti’s when I’m in Kuttawa at the lake house and always buy their seasoning.
I haven't been to Patti's since my grandma who lived in the area passed away 20 years ago but I still dream about the flowerpot bread. And have nightmares about the guy in the bathtub in the restroom. That thing scared the shit out of me as a kid 😂.
Thank you for clarifying the difference between the roles of a coroner vs that of a medical examiner. My mother was the county coroner for Floyd county for 8 years. Shes a veterinarian AND a mortician AND a small plane pilot. Therefore has an immense amount of medical knowledge dealing with both people and animals but is not a physician. It was also an elected position (which it really shouldnt be but whatever). Medical examiners are always physicians (pathologists specifically) and are not elected.. But anyways, too many people get the two confused and its annoying.
Your mom sounds like a badass.
The LBL's creation was very similar to that of Lake Lanier in Georgia. Lake Lanier would make an excellent topic for a video.
I used to live in Cummings,about one road over from lake Lanier, my dogs use to go down to the lake and one came back with cuts to his face, my wife babied him for weeks, a great parinses, may have spelled that wrong.
I was a boy scout back in the 1980s
One year we had a Jamboree at LBL, and some of the older boys told us there had been a werewolf attack at one time
At the time I thought they were just trying to scare the younger kids
I didn't learn of this attack until many years later
Jan's story is written like, well, a story. When you recount something you heard, you don't go into useless details. We don't need to know about Adam's 'azure eyes', Jan. As for Roger, I don't believe him because it's all very convenient. Because if you're attacked by some large beast, LEAVING THE LARGE METAL BOX YOU'RE IN TO HIDE UNDERNEATH IT is so far beyond a logical course of action as to be absurd... but the story was already told: The creature got into the trailer so for the new story to work, he had to NOT be in the trailer.
I'm not saying they're lying, I'm saying I don't believe a damn word out of their mouth Lol
I agree, especially about Jan's story. Very creepy pasta like.
In the immortal words of Josh Peck, "I ain't calling you a truther."
@@cmcapps1963 Especially the "They didn't notice the body in the tree until blood dipped on them" part.
You could ask him about that. He's very responsive and will answer most questions. Roger is probably the only one I believe.
As a seasoned writer, she wanted to present her accounts/encounters as captivating pieces for listeners/readers; as opposed to the boring 'I saw, he saw, she saw...' Go watch Hunt The Dogman and listen to her interview.
Folktale Professor
I was going to suggest Professor Folktale!
That's western kentucky, but at least in eastern Kentucky I've always heard haw we don't have mountain lions that we do have. Admittedly they probably are passing through and are super rare.
Just in eastern ky you got both bobcats and my wife’s mom saw a mountain lion come out of the woods. She was worried for her outside cats. But, my wife’s aunt, her cat was killed by a bobcat or mountain lion.
You asked. We spoke. You listened!
Don't get me wrong, the missing persons stuff is fascinating and y'all do a great job with it, but I'm afraid I was one of the people tuning out most weeks after too much of it in a row. I can't get enough of your takes on cryptids and folklore, though. And would really like to see more film lore deep dives as well. One that dovetails with this story could be "The Howling" franchise, although finding a systematic set of werewolf rules out of that series is definitely not for the faint of heart...
Have to concur. Too many stations just hoover up Paulides work. Moderation please, Your other work like this is muchmore appreciated.
I live like 20 miles from LBL and I've never heard this story. Lol. I've camped there 100s of times. I'm curious where this came from, because it isn't something that goes around locally. At least not largely. I've met thousands of people there over the years, and have lived here my entire life. I'm 42, and I've legitimately never heard this before.
I live in the Tennessee side of lbl
When I asked about these ridiculous stories. I was told it brings in the tourist. lol. Plus why people want to call the remnants of old homes, bunkers is just stupid
@@dieseldave2273 yeah I hate that it’s our “cryptid” its lame as hell
I live in Owensboro Ky, and have a lake house 10 minutes from LBL. I also live 20 minutes from Spottsville KY which is the home of the Spottsville Monster where there was several sightings. I think they called it Dogman.
How excited was I when I see that ya'll are doing an episode from my area ? Best thing to happen this month🎉
Super interested in this episode, Land Between was always my family's favorite place to travel for camping trips. Never heard of this story before now. Can't say we ever had any experiences out there, but the view of the stars at the outdoor camp showers is AMAZING.
Course she’s 6’5” 240 and runs the 40 in 5 seconds flat…
Is her name Jacobi?
Some may even call her BBL SASQUATCH?
Does she have good hands? The panthers could use a linebacker and she sounds like she fits the bill
I was camping there one night during the summer and I had a fever dream that the creature was staring at me while sleeping in the bed of my truck. Woke up and heard rustling in the woods… My buddy comes stumbling out after taking a piss. About shit my pants lol
I love your channel! The history behind the places/people is very interesting, so, thank you for including that. I only watch you guys and The Missing Enigma for these types of stories because I want the facts of such cases. You can't put new episodes out fast enough! I could watch hours of your channel, and, binged from episode 1 thru til the most recent! Sending much love from Alabama!!
The missing enigma is a great channel ❤
45:53 my brain heard “We also have huggies!” I thought it was sweet, if not a bit odd, but it turns out they have hoodies. 😅
They can be both. How you choose to wear that hoodie is no one else's business.
A few notes:
Federal land often has bunkers and similar structures for anything from ammo storage, to maintenance, to cold war preperations; many abandoned, destroyed or now repurposed for conservation work.
The Forest Service has, essentially, a special operations unit. They're tactd out like a swat team, with I assume variations in uniform from location to location... I have details from a forestry proffesor of an encounter with them... the USPS does too and they know where you live.
Last bit, MBAS and similar acts allow for local law, fire, and EMS to respond to federal land relieving jurisdiction to the next highest authority until the appropriate agency responds to take control: local -> county -> state -> federal
just to put out on my, internet doesn't lie "authority," I am a forestry major. Worked as a contractor for wildfires, and I am an avid hiker, backpacker, and tracker.
All those hats required knowledge of what I stated in my first post.
interesting! can't wait to watch! KY's Land Between the Lakes area has always given my a mysterious feeling
Folktale! Love everything you guys put out but this sort of stuff is what hooked me on your channel in the first place! Keep up the good work
I’ve hiked LBL extensively. Both solo and with friends, and always backcountry camp. I have literally never encountered anything that would lead me to believe there is anything “out there”. 😂
Amazing that those of us who actually spend time outdoors , whether LBL or Michigan , never see such things. Plenty of stories from folks who don't .
@@roostershooter76 yup
It's all bullshit
Those bunkers sound like the "Vampire Hotel" used by Rod Ferrell and his vampire cult. But maybe the Land between the Lakes is just dotted with those concrete structures?
I think it's an abandoned outhouse or some maintenance access for gas or water or electricity
Rod Ferrell tried to get his sentence overturned a few years ago and thankfully it was rejected.
@@MakerInMotion Yikes....yeah that's scary!!!
@@pentegarn1 yup, that one and hotel California on the north end get confused a lot. All of the ‘bunkers’ are basements and cellar of old foundations of homes that were left behind when the park was made.
@@blights5468 Oh I didnt know there was a Hotel California there too. lol Awesome name :P
I don't remember where I read it, but I do remember reading about native Americans having some folklore from this area. Greeting from Eastern Kentucky!
I’ve been to this park as a child and I’ve grown up in Kentucky. Say what you want about the state but I find our nature to be so beautiful especially in autumn. This comment has no relation to the video other than I’m happy to see a channel that I’ve come to love finally cover the place I call home!
So much love from Kentucky guys ❤
Jan's account sounds like a Creepypasta story. Far too heavily embellished and filled with irrelevant but picturesque and skillfully recounted prose. Certainly not the terrified retelling of a traumatized witness. It would be really great to hear Roger speak on your channel. I hope he responds to your callout.
It’s so funny how many of these cryptid stories can be explained away by acknowledging it was probably a Rabid Bear with Mange. Google some of those pictures, poor things look absolutely terrifying
LBL MENTIONED. I used to have to take the ferry out there to bid on home improvement stuff for an old job. Service isn't stellar and one time the GPS wanted me to drive into the lake... Beautiful place though.
I've camped and hiked in LBL numerous times and there are some areas that I have always felt uncomfortable traversing. LBL also has a large number of staircases in the woods left over from the old family farms that were abandoned when the government bought the region from the 1930's through the early 1960's.
As someone who lives down around this area, who has heard a story or two but never this one, well done! I certainly look forward to any follow up information you might come across from a potential interview with Roger.
These woods have secrets, I have no doubts. But, it never fails to blow me away when I hear a new story! Great job, man!
I'd just like to say that i was not expecting the Aidan to lift up Aiden bridal style at the end of the video but it was easily my fav bit of all
I miss weird Bible and always loved history hut, so excited for new stuff coming. Big fan of the channel.
Thank you for consistently dropping such well made and well researched content. It’s truly a breath of fresh air. Everyone on the Lore Lodge team is a legend
My family vacationed on Kentucky Lake and Lake Barkley in our cabin cruiser in 1987. We docked at Green Turtle Bay. I’ve never heard this story before!
So excited that you briefly got into children of the looptaroo! When I was a kid my dad used to tell us about the kids that slept in his garage and barn during the winter. Parents used to abandon their children in the woods if they could not feed and clothe them. And they would find farmers to take these young children in... true story. My grandfather on my mom's side of the family was abandoned by his father when he was three years old after his mother died!!! He had his five year old brother to watch over him!?!?! The worst part of the whole story is that my great grandfather was actually abandoned by his own father when his mother died decades earlier!?!? I couldn't imagine doing that to my children but to have gone through that pain and then inflict it on your own children--- yeah it was a different time. But I have sooooo much more to say about this subject as I have researched it a lot over the years.
Also, I appreciate when you lay out exactly what you would like us to do. I love history so I will look for that history hut channel and do what you said. Hopefully you can make money on it!
Professor Folktale sounds like an awesome D&D NPC. I love the academic attentiveness that you do with these presentations.
This was a great episode, the legend is obviously essentially a No Sleep post as someone already stated but it was throughly enjoyable to ponder
We used to go to that area all the time for vacations. And even just for the fun of it cuz it's beautiful. This is the first time I ever heard of that story. And we had good friends that live down there.
The way you segued into the commercial was smoother than butter.
4:10
There's a channel called Hellbent holler here, they've walked it all through LBL in the dark. Very interesting 😊
@@micheleshively8557 it's one of my favourite channels 🖤🧡 I also love Small Town Monsters and Blondes & Boos.
I may be too cynical here but I am immediately suspicious of any written account that contains any artist flourish.
@@IHC_23 nah you should
17:03 It's 3:06am. Right as he said the part about the window break, one of my kids got up to use the bathroom. Her door kinda sticks so it opens loudly. That gave me a massive jump.
Cryptid Studies Institute has a ton of info on the lbl. Martin Groves tells the most terrifying dogman / bigfoot encounter I've ever heard from the lbl.
Super interesting info! Thank you and I'm now going fishing for your new podcast! Thanks fellas!
First reaction. I doubt this occurred.
If it did, Jen's story sounds a lot like a cougar attack, especially the Body up in the tree part, they do that too keep other predators away from their kills. That and grey-brown fur give me major cougar vibes.
The other Guy's story sounded really weird and unbelievable. It had details that don't make sense Like how the 911 operator would know to call a specific para military group.
You give me a senior (ten years +) Dispatcher and she'll know who to call for ANYTHING! Particularly if she's a 3rd shift Dispatcher. And yes she will be a she.
I just wanna say aiden. Your ad transitions are legit the best on TH-cam
While I do not believe in the supernatural, aliens, or cryptids, I think that man is arrogant to believe that we've discovered every single type of animal on the whole earth.
by that exact logic, you do believe in cryptids. I mean not necessarily specific cryptids, but the term in general, and most of the kinds, fall under “weird animal that is legitimately plausible just not backed by scientific discovery”. It’s not like every single cryptid is some massive cold blooded killer with poison that kills everything instantly😂
I think it's just feral people or small tribes of them.
@@GrimDim In Amazon or PNG yes. But i don't think that's what's happening in North America.. Just my guess..
My sentiment exactly
We didn't believe either. We have a ghost that lives with us! Bessie Beavers. Knew her before she died...know her better since death!.
We love you Bessie!
You are so awesome for doing this story! Thank you! I knew you would be able to get more information than I was able to. I couldn't find very much at all. So I am with you on the subject- maybe something actually happened. But what? I can't find anything about a family that disappeared or was killed while on vacation. So if this was real, the government did a perfect job of covering it up. Scary.😳
Another wonderful job, Professor Folk Tale. 🙃
The one thing that intrigues me is the motorbike story, you place the event on the north end. All others left this tale ambiguous and I was deducing it to be on the south end since that's were residential property borders LBL. However, most of the sightings and stories come from the north end.
For the sake of argument lets suppose a dogman is real, would it swim the water to the other side or walk the bridge?
I've been to LBL once ever, March 2023, spent 3 nights there. Spent 2 nights camped at Fords Bay boat ramp at the end of FD-347. At dusk I heard this howling noise briefly. Middle of the night I thought I was awakened by a light and voices, someone said "yeah he's in there" (I had set up a tent but slept in the SUV because of the expected freeze). My trail cam caught nothing, no new footprints or tracks, the light coat of dust on the car undisturbed. I thought maybe it had been someone on horseback because of the height of the light and I wasn't too far from the horse camp and this was part of the horse trail. But no hoof prints, even though the ground was soft. Next 2 nights, nothing. The 3rd and final night I moved to just north of Crocket Bay at the end of 204 on the shore. It rained all night (reason for moving I needed cell signal for a conference call and internet access to send emails).
I want to spend more time there, but I live 500 miles away. I've been to so many woods and forests and wilderness, but LBL gives me the creeps, moreso than the alleged haunted woods in Germany. Moreso than the Ozarks. Moreso than grizzly country in Montana. Moreso than the other alleged dogman woods in Michigan.
Just wanted to stop by and say that this is one of favorite TH-cam channels and that I always look forward to watch your videos!
Please look into Martin Groves story and get him on the show, Mattis! His story is locktight and he was law enforcement and an avid outdoorsman. He’s the one who opened me up to the possibility of this creature.
His recounting of the incident with his is so horrifying. More than one type of creature, too.
I like both the folktale and the professor aspects, personally. Being from Tennessee, I''d heard whispers of the "beast"; but this was the first time I'd heard this story. You've got me wanting to do my own research, now. Hope you can convince "Roger" to come on your show.
I have honestly never heard this story before. Stories like this make me want to buy/make one of those vans you can live out of and just go from place to place and film!/make videos.
I love the research gone into the cases and that you take the time to try and really find where the locations are
You should check out the cattle mutilations in Colorado’s San Luis Valley-Christopher O’Brien wrote a great book about it! The area is super interesting and packed with weird stuff and history.
Really glad you covered this case
Have you ever heard Martin Groves account of a dogman encounter? If so, just curious about your thoughts on it?
Being a former lawman myself have a hard time imagining Groves just making that story up. Most of us are very skeptical and cynical as all Hell. I know he's lost friends and been ridiculed for publicly coming out with such a tale, and yet he did, so.....
Agreed. I almost think some of these things even though people say they believe, may not be able too actually believe til u run into one urself
Thumbs up let's get this looked at by LL
His story is full of more holes than Swiss cheese. About half of it makes no sense & His description of the area & other small details point towards BS
@@jayjones8129 locals know he’s a bullshitter
Would like to hear Isaiah's take on the gun talk. A 20 gauge is no 12 gauge but no joke. On the other hand, the most important factor is ammo. Bird shot is of limited use even from a 10 gauge at all but point blank range while buck shot or slugs from a 20 are deadly within close distance.
Also, I believe I heard that Roger was not part of the family but a friend of one of the children and just camping with them. Maybe this was a later story though. Either way, love this episode! It really made my Friday.
Assuming an incident occurred -
Could it also be that someone else found the situation while Roger was at the farmer's place so there were two groups reporting the same incident?
Also, what level of professional courtesy exists when a group having professional jurisdiction takes over from a group that arrived first.
Whoever was closest might not have had jurisdiction but was there to try to keep the situation from escalating.
It could also be a situation similar to one explained in the tv series Sasquatch where someone talks about using a cryptid attack to cover illegal activity.
FOLKLORE !!! [OLDSCHOOL]
Nice job on this vid and the last - you had strayed from the format and energy that I loved, but seem to be returning to it. Keep it up. Thank you 🙏
Oh so BEARS are far fetched but a werewolf isn’t??? 😂
@@lexinicole4317 no bears in LBL also no werewolves either weirder stuff though.
That bridge on 68 that goes across the lake is so creepy in the middle of the night with the fog coming from the lake, I drive through there at night all the time so thanks for freaking me out lol. Also mammoth cave is not far from there and it's the most expansive cave network in the world and I believe its not even fully mapped.
I'm not too far from the area this happened at. We do have a growing population of mountain lions.
I live about one and a half hours from LBL and have been there several times. I first heard of the beast of LBL a few years while watching a youtube video made by a father and son. i don't remember the name of the channel now but they got in touch with Roger and interviewed him on their channel. He said he was NOT a member of the family killed but was a friend of the son and was invited to go on the camping trip with them. The father of the youtube channel has passed away and I believe they decided after a while that they did not believe Roger's story. I am not saying that it's not true just that the youtube chanel no longer believed Roger was there. Also at the time in the 1980s LBL was managed by the TVA not the Forrest Service.
I believe that would be Johnny and Elijah Henderson from Cryptid Studies Institute. Johnny is no longer with us, sadly, but Elijah and his sister Gabby are still investigating! Great people and have had the opportunity to investigate in the LBL with them a few times.
Lived and grew up right by LBL backpacking and hanging out on the lakes my whole childhood looked up every scary folklore place from the vampire hotel to weirded places. There isn’t a dogma. I only heard about it after I left home in 2015 .
Folktale and professor both are intriguing!
Professor :) that's part of what makes this channel so unique!
I wouldn't believe anything that Roger said. Contact Joedy Cooke or Nick Valiente of the North American Dogman Project (NADP) if you want to know why. You can also reach out to Hellbent Holler they have done boots on the ground in the LBL.
Why don't you just tell us?
This was so shocking to see. I've camped at LBL dozens of times, and the scariest thing that's ever happened was the year the fireworks at the independence day show were blown into the crowd by an incoming storm (that iirc spawned some tornados)
I LOVE THESE STORIES MAN! ❤
Coroner is commonly a political position, especially down south. And unfortunately a lot of places don't always require a medical background for it.
I just watched the dogman territory:Werewolves in the Land Between the Lakes documentary and "Roger" talked to the investigator Aaron Deese and had claimed to be a friend of the son of the family that was killed..they only had 1 son and a daughter. Roger seems to be lying and also the so called massacre happened in 1982..
Giving this comment a bump.
Another great episode ! For me , there is not a more terrifying cryptid than the dogman or a werewolf . I could not imagine seeing one of these things !
Bruh I went to Land Between the Lakes for the 2017 solar eclipse during college 😮 We slept overnight in tents and were bothered by racoons in the night. It was one of the best, if not THE best experience of my life. I remember me and my group hearing a large howl in the distance and arguing over whether it was just a dog or not. Then I see this title and I'm like Werewolf? 😅
Why do you say "bruh"??
Just a random habit? 🤷♀️@@Janette-l3w
One of the things that makes me get the smallest amount of belief in the story is the federal or state agencies covering it up.
I know from experience that they cover up everything. They classify everything just as a matter of course.
Even things that make absolutely no sense to classify and cover up to and including meals that are distributed to people who are working under contract for the federal or state agency.
Yeah, that's actually a thing they do that makes no sense yet, just as a matter of course, they slap classified on everything and cover up everything. Just because it's part of their protocol to do that now. It has been ever since the 60s.
My grandparents live in the lbl area and my grandmother has told me bits and pieces of these stories its great to hear them in full (its also weird to hear a youtuber talk abt local places)