@@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit It's so crazy to me that there's always people who expect consistent content with absolutely no sponsorship segments. How do y'all think TH-cam works? Just skip forward if it genuinely upsets you enough to make a comment about it lmao.
This might be my favorite case simple for the fact that our options are: "I want my husband's life insurance", to Skinwalkers, to "that mustache isn't company policy".
If they stuck him in a part of a park that virtually never gets visited why would the mustache be a problem as the mustache was the reason he was outposted there to begin with. On the other hand if you wanted to off hem that place would be the place to do it and get rid of the body because no one ever went there. And finally from my perspective of rebellious type personalities...once Paul's bucking the system style became pretty mundane with Bonnie and if he had become disillusioned with his isolated job whose only purpose apparently was to make sure there were always 'footprints in the sand' he may have said F it and left. Another side of this that his wife was giving him shit about his relationship with Bonnie so that meant he would be totally isolated. And add to that his co worker seeing him in the bar and being convinced enough to save his drinking cup are all compelling. As far as there being no fingerprints on record I am not buying that one. I worked for a branch of the Federal Government back in the early 70's and one of the first things they did was fingerprint me for part of the background check. Granted I did work part time summers before that and wasn't fingerprinted. However once I became a candidate for a position of permanent employee that was the first ground rule I had to agree to and sign a release form for in order for the job application to be processed. Computers weren't around then and files were stored locally and copies were carried via courier to different offices if requested. Did someone remove his fingerprints from his file? I find that's a better possibility than them never being taken. In essence all the information we have on this case is the equivalent of the teaser written on the back jacket of a great mystery story. Some intrigue, a lot of unanswered or unsubstantiated questions, all the suspects of a great mystery and just enough motive provided for all the suspects to keep it interesting and not much more. I am trying to isolate two from the pack and I just cannot do it. If I absolutely had to pick one I would say Paul chose to leave because life was closing in on him and that is one aspect of life that a rebellious personality cannot tolerate unless there is some substantial reward for doing so and that does not seem to be the case here. At least there is the physical evidence of the cup to support that theory. As flimsy as it is it is the *only* something on this case to go on.
2 weeks to start asking about death benefits is not unusual at all- I'm currently handling the probates for both my mom and my sister... It's been a rough year... And you only have a certain amount of time to get things done. I was closing my sister's accounts and inquiring about life insurance within 3 days of her death because unfortunately she lived in another state and I have to do what I can when I can. No one accused me of murder... They handled our business and that was that.
I’ve heard of it for missing persons too, it’s difficult to take over someone’s accounts and deal with their affairs when they just disappear so it sounds suspicious, but someone has to deal with their stuff.
Seriously I have to say going into detail about the family structures of the chiricahua is the weirdest and most entirely disconnected nerd flex I think I have ever witnessed. Congratulations my man. I'm impressed.
While I like the majority of your content, and great researching and analysis of the event covered, most of the time I don't understand why you would always cover the history of the region when said history of the region have little to do with the criminal or missing persons event you're currently covering. Like what does covering the indigenous tribes in this region you're covering have to do with the resolution at all? Was Luke ethnically a native Indian and victim of this serial killer? Was the killer a descendant of a few of these indigenous people? Were police in La Crosse descendants of said indigenous tribes? Was the drownings connected to indigenous folklore, a Cryptid, supernatural/paranormal event? Also, IMO I found it silly and offensive that you presume the victim of this either foul play or something else, who went missing and we don't know if dead or alive, that you presume between 21:45 to 21:50 this Luke person may or may not know the history of this regions. You don't know if he knew about the history of that region, or if he didn't, and you don't know how much he cared to know. It's just silly. Also, try Delete Me? How about I try Delete You instead? Sponsored by the Grime Reaper, guaranteed warm and soft soil for a more comfy death bed experience. Limited time offer, buy now or it becomes permafrost soil! Don't wait for it to get colder!
Yeah it pretty much means youre a high ranking or well known member of another racial group of prison gangs😂 Pretty much all prison gangs are racial and enemies with every other gang
The Aryan Brotherhood was a “gang” founded in San Quentin prison and was comprised of white and Native Americans. Not all of its Members held anti black sentiment, not did they all hate Jews. It was a form of group survival behavior among prisoners. What Aryan means to the members of the gang is not for us to assume but for individual members and their actions to define. And what we think when we hear Aryan Brotherhood doesn’t mean the same thing as it did back then. It is, after all, a sociological invention
@@FirstthunderI can't find any evidence of Native American participation in any Aryan gangs. The one from sam quentin /had/ a high ranking member who grew up on a reservation but he was white and doesn't claim to have native parents. I can only find one singular person from the 30's who was ever both Native and a Nazi.
Ive camped at Chiricahua, on the eastern side of the park. I remember it being very quiet and still, despite the abundant wildlife making noise. Finally, a lore lodge video featuring a place ive camped.
I live close by in a cabin on another mountain, camped and hiked there countless times. I can see the park from where i sit at my desk. One of the best parts of this area is the lack of light pollution and all the amazing 'sky drama' that happens, from amazing sunrises, sunsets, being above the clouds, to the night sky, so many visible stars that make constellations hard to find. I can see spectacular Starlink launches out of Vandenburg from here, and when they deploy the satellites it's quite the light show. Every clear night is a meteor shower. In the summer months i like to sleep outside, i have a futon set up on a tall rock outcropping overlooking everything, but i usually end up awake all night just watching the sky.
@@mjm5899 bro is very persistent when it comes to looking for info on cases and the national parks service is very persistent in being obtuse and shady with said info. Aiden has expressed his distain for the NPS in almost every vid i watch from him, and when he isn’t he’s shitting on local/federal law enforcement.
The Park Service angle makes no sense based on the evidence presented. The only way I could see them being involved is if someone in the NPS was covering for / complicit in drug growing 9r smuggling and he found out about it. But if there are other drug related connections, they seem like the obvious choice.
It's basically No Country for Old Men, he is Llewelyn Moss - he could even have decided to disappear, and take a stash (money or weed/coke) from a half-way stash house he knew was there... And in spectacularly bad timing, got caught and killed, or...made it (and the whole truck story wasn't true/wasn't him). I do find the suggestion that 'all the drugs went east' means that nobody would have...thought of using the quiet west route... to be laughable. It's so insanely obvious to try a quieter and unknown route if it's become widely-known where drugs are being run.
Meth cooking was starting to become a thing. He saw something he shouldn't and was made to vanish. The alternative to me is that he fled his crumbling life. Fleeing into Mexico or possibly fleeing to a bordering state. Seeing how it was incredibly easy to fall off the map at that point in time.
I've lived in AZ all my life, and the Chiricahua National Monument is one of my favorite places to visit. It's truly beautiful, if anyone ever has the chance to go there, I highly encourage it. But maybe stick with a buddy while you're there.
Generally speaking, you become a known enemy of the AB by crossing them while doing business with them. Not saying there has never been and anti-fascist who attacked, or otherwise worked against the AB, who became a known enemy that way. Dude wasn't a cop or fed either. So he likely was conducting business with them and either screwed them over, or took off while being extorted.
The knocked up 20 yo getting it aborted is honestly the saddest part. Don’t have intimate physical relationships with people you’re not allowed to have intimate emotional relationships with, folks
Imagine suing your employer for five years to get your job back... Like what do you wear for your first day back? Do you fist bump your colleagues like nothing happened? I mean how??
My now husband actually figured out I was pregnant before I told him. Maybe he figured it out...afterall she said she had, by that time, missed two periods.
First off, love your videos & enjoy your channel very much. Now this part may sound weird, but stick with me. 😂 I'm a home school mom, & I absolutely love when you give a history of the people & region of the area in which the story is from. Would you ever consider doing a channel of just cool history? Because we have gone over the pre & post colonization of the America's but you made this bit of the subject so interesting. I think so many people would really enjoy that tyoe of content that they could share with their children. Just a thought. Again, thank you so much for all you guys do.
Former homeschool mom, here. (My daughters both graduated homeschool in the past two years.) What an awesome suggestion. I would've loved a resource like you describe for teaching history.
The shirt mix up is definitely suspicious. I have shirts from both my grandfather and father in my closet. They both have passed away years ago. I still know which is which. The fact she has a shirt made 7 years after he went missing and claims it is his makes zero sense.
21:19 I mean the fact that they sent over 5000 people out searching is probably the exact reason they had such a hard time finding the guy. Pretty easy to know who you need to avoid when it'd basically everyone lol...
Do you really not see why it might be necessary to muster thousands of men to cover hundreds of miles? And arrive in enough force to stop the threat with only acceptable losses?
I remember hearing this story back when I lived in Tombstone, AZ, on the southern edge of Cochise County. I went to Chiricahua Monument and Cochise' Stronghold a few times.
Just found your channel and wanted to say keep up the great videos.. enjoy your content, very intelligent and well thought out theories. Even a good voice for listening to while working
The most plausible theory is that there are loan killers who camp in the national parks who hunt people to see what murder feels like. These killers are not trying to get caught, come from different social classes, and are now roaming around modern society like nothing happened. One story I read about on Reddit was about a Park Ranger in Mt. Rainer NP who claimed to have stumbled upon a possible booby trap or cache in the woods. In the ground there was apparently some light coming out with an opening that was a slightly ajar. The Ranger found out it wasn’t a trap and peaked inside. What he found was several Polaroid pictures of random hikers from decades before. The pictures were taken in several areas of the park. Very creepy.
I had a Shetland horse when I was a kid, named King Geronimo. I was in high school before I realized the name Geronimo was a real person and not just something we hollered as we jumped off the roof of grampa's shed.
I find it interesting that in every missing persons case the authorities state that in the majority of the cases someone close to or is known by the missing individual has a large part to play in the event. Why not be looking at Doty? He was cheating on her, girlfriend was preggers and we don’t seem to know what Doty knew or when she knew it, she inquired about the retirement benefits at a time that raises eyebrows, and the auto shop owner specifically mentioned her without prompting.
We were stationed at Fort Huachuca for 3 years. The Fort had an Aerostat they raised looking for drug runners and illegal immigrants. We were there from '90-'93. Our son loved going to the Chiricahua Park. My 85 yo grandmother loved it. Problems stemming from the border was increasing then. Our first visit to the "Wonderland of Rocks", a Ranger told us to be vigilant "because a Ranger disappeared and never found". My husband was on active duty and found it odd they would nonchalantly make a comment like that in front of a 10 yo. Of course our son thought we should look for bones. You would be south of Sierra Vista and see border patrol trucks parked every 1/4 miles apart. An 11 yo kid from Mexico stole a car in Sierra Vista and he ran the gate onto base. The drug tunnel (one of many) was found from Mexico into Douglas AZ. The joke was: Where's Douglas AZ? At the end of the drug tunnel. It was on shirts and bumper stickers. It was bad then. I wouldn't put it past the park service. It would have been a great location for smuggling. Plus if he was a problem child to the staid bosses, what a good way for him to disappear. I find his wife odd to say the least. Is she of Native Peoples tribes? If so, they would know where /how to make people disappear. Was the girlfriend and wife both deposed and lie detection tests given? Could they have worked together? It would have been easy to get him over the border. May GOD bless
I watch you two goons for many reasons (sarcasm, bad dad jokes, digs at the powers that be, grammer ocd, cinematography nerdery, and of course that little side detail of, y'know, the mysteriously rare cryptid erstwhilely known as well presented information paired with intelligent discourse...) but occasionally my compulsive history nerd self just needs to feel just a little less odd, and thus the phrase "my favorite name for a treaty ever" is music to my ears. Ya'll are the best... 😂
I find it so funny they were mad at him and potentially fired and murdered him over a mustache because that mustache style is the EXACT style you would assume a national park employee would wear
Just an idea..... he decided there was more money in being a coyote or running drugs- the wife was in on the idea and they both figured she would be set up financially by park service. He left his stuff behind and had some contacts pick him up for his departure. After so long of being "missing" he felt more comfortable being in public until the guy noticed him in the bar in Sierra Vista. ( I used to live in Sierra Vista......) That would explain the weirdness of the wife's actions, would explain him being seen with guys in a truck, a plan like this would take some time putting together so he could have left the "will" in preparation. I obviously have no idea what happened and being at work getting distracted from the story, I didn't catch every detail, but speculating on this was purely for fun especially since I used to live in that area. Fun side note, we one rented a house in Huachuca City- the next city over from Sierra Vista. After just being there maybe a week, a guy shows up and explained he had just moved out and couldn't grab all his belongings and asked if it was OK to come by with a truck and get what little was left, offered for us to keep the dining table..... and for some odd reason decided to disclose to us (complete strangers) that he was being investigated for running illegals. A couple of months later my boys were board and had lifed up a pice of carpet in their closet and found a trap door under it. We opened the door to find sleeping bags, pillows, candles, some water bottles and saddles 😂 Disclaimer: I'm not taking the time to proofread this so happy hunting on spelling or grammar errors 😅
I don't quite follow the timeline (I'd have to go back through to get a better idea of the order of events), but I suspect that Paul went into hiding because he feared his life was in jeopardy and then was subsequently murdered because he didn't go into hiding well enough. That is, he was still showing up where people who knew him were seeing him, but his disappearance was a good cover for murdering him once the people who wanted him dead found him. I don't know whether he was in on the drug deal or somehow threatened the drug dealers with exposure, but I suspect they were members of the ranger service who had an idea where he would go to hide out, knew how to cover his trail so he wouldn't be tracked, and tracked him themselves. If they were in the park ranger service, then it was a few park rangers who could do things like remove his fingerprints on record, but not the park ranger service in general. It sounds like he had a decent income, but I wouldn't expect the park ranger service to pay so well. So I don't know where they got Paul's income, but if he was involved with the drug deals, he could have a nest egg saved up somewhere to disappear with. But being in Arizona, I can see the spaces patrolled by the park rangers to be an ideal area for drugs coming in over the border and for a few rangers to be compensated for their cooperation with this illicit activity. That seems like the most likely explanation.
If Bonnie hadn't murdered their unborn child then that cup in the bar could have been swabbed for DNA and tested against the kid's. Could have solved the entire thing.
wow, just, submit a 21 year old who got lied to and left by a 40 something man to have a child she did not consent to. really caring for the victim here, huh.
100% Dodie did it. She was jealous of the long term girlfriend. She was unemotional about her husband's assumed death (by her). She assumed the death because she wanted money. She had Bonnie kill the only potential heir of Paul's so there was no future competition. Dodie either did it herself or hired someone to do it.
Ironic that I randomly chose a video with a history segment about the Mexican-American war scalp hunters and I’m reading Blood Meridian at the same time
Anything contained within a Govt. site, including Natl. Park's, can be considered Federal and treated as such. There's your answer. National Parks, USGS, Forestry Dept etc. and the Feds are essentially the same entity.
Hey Aidan! I’ve got two questions: 1. Is it unreasonable to think that all names investigated in this case were all RESPONSIBLE for Paul’s disappearance to some capacity. It could be just me but from what I’ve heard from this…he seems to have treated everyone he knew like an asshole (with all due respect). To quote our boy Wendigoon from his Yuba County 5 video, “Police would not be able to find who killed him, because everyone had a reason to kill him”. 2. When you mention a Bill Murray, is it THAT Billy Murray we talkin bout here. Ik these are probably very stupid things to ask, but I’m a big fan of the channel and thought why not for the sake of some form of interaction w/ ya.
If I was working a National Park job I’d probably have a life insurance policy and a will. Wildlife and elements and plain old bad luck could take even a trained person out at any time.
I think we all know by now that the feds aren’t real. Look at what they supposedly do and then look at how none of that is ever getting done. Feds aren’t real you guys. They’re just a myth the government came up with to keep people in line, like the boogie man or the Yule cat.
I don’t know their exact situation but my husband and I were talking about how stressful it would be if something happened to one of us. To have the pain of it on top of missing a paycheck and worrying about keeping a roof over our head during that time and that we would quickly need to pull in whatever benefits we had. If the mortgage payment was coming up and there was no savings, I'd be asking about money too. So I can see why his wife would ask for the money.
That’s why me and my girl got prenups, we buy each other stuff constantly and help each other pay stuff but I’ve seen money destroy people so….. plus when we met I was the homeless one with a minimum wage job and she was the one with a good paying job and a house, 2 cars and stuff haha I didn’t want her to think I wanted anything but love
My husband is the money (I make very good money, but less than half what he does) and earlier this year lost his job. He was already in talks for another job but becoming the “bread winner” for even a few weeks was a lot of stress I had to take on. If something happened to him I would have no idea how to keep going with bills since he’s always taken care of everything.
@@cjboyothey’re good conversations to have! being prepared for an emergency is the greatest act of love you can do for one another. you both deserve the best outcomes in life regardless of what happens and having a safety plan set up can help ensure that
The missing fingerprints seem like a huge clue. Either Paul somehow got rid of them before he left to start a new life OR the NPS got rid of them so if a body was found he couldn't be identified as Paul because they either ended him or they didn't want to pay his wife his benefits.
@@Daughter_ofStars Do we know if there are dental records for Paul? I would have assumed they had his fingerprints so I'm not going to assume anything about dental records.
@@Mreffs101 dental records can be identified by using privately owned dentistry businesses, not national services so there is no way to hide them unless he never saw a dentist in his life
@@shehreentariq7308 And he may not have ever gone to a dentist or it may have been when he was so young there are no records showing his adult teeth.. But also consider he went missing before those records would be on any database. If someone wanted him gone, meaning the government, they could have had the records destroyed.
@shehreentariq7308 he would of needed to be an adult when he visited, and would of only ever gotten dentistry done at one dentist. If he had a bunch of dental work done in Mexico but his last xray was in AZ it not likely that they would of captured the work. I think the government probably threw out his finger prints when he was fired and gone for 5yrs, then when they were forced 5o hire him back they were like we have all this already. No need.
One small correction: Vasectomy. There are two basic types, the old and the new. Your number of "over 99%" is accurate for *new* procedures. The reason a new procedure had to be developed in the first place is because the initial procedure had many, many failures. Heres why: 1. Older procedure: the vas defrens was snipped, then tied and usually cauterized. 2. New procedure: remove most of the vas defrens, then cauterized. The reason for early reattachment was that there was far more tube still chillin in there. When removed almost entirely, the risk goes way down. Our bodies seen to have a tendency to find ways to repair damaged sections in amazing ways, but have a far more difficult time replace full anatomical structures. *EDIT*: the cut ends of the vas defrens are then tied, usually in little loops, to dissuade regrowth. Sorry, I was being called for dinner and forgot that part. And we were having Hot Dish. Enough said. Also, I forgot a solid Jurassic Park quote regarding the amazing abilities of the body: "Life..... uhhhh.. uhh, finds..... uhhh... a WAY." Dr. Goldbloom-ChaosTheory
@@mollylollipops thanks for the comment, I've always been fascinated by the human body. My dad being a surgeon probably influenced that lol. And since you stated an intret in learning, here's some wild stuff: He's where I got a lot of info about the "old vs new" procedures. He started practicing medicine in the early 1950s. He had a leather Doctors Kit, his name on it in gold script. There were emergency surgery tools inside. Remember too: penicillin, antibiotics, were NEW at this point. But here's the crazy part: CPR was officially being taught in 1960. There were pioneers for decades before that encouraged "external cardiac massage" or chest compressions, and in the 1920s and hence WW2, a very rudimentary version of CPR was taught to medics. Not doctors. Medics. Standard training when my dad was in school was basicslly: "External cardiac massage *might * work, but if things get serious, you fall back to the gold standard of..... INTERNAL cardiac massage." Yep. 4"-5" incision just below the sternum. Insert hand. Massage heart. Boom, there ya go, pretty easy right? ANNND, remember how I mentioned antibiotics? Internal cardiac massage involved a doc cutting open the chest cavity, pumping the heart, and THEN just hoping the patient didn't get an infection. They usually did. We're not talking in an operating theater, this was performed on kitchen tables, restaurant tables, the back of cars, etc. My dad has a story (one of several million) where a patient was unresponsive due to carbon monoxide poisoning. Whole family was out, and blue. Chimney had jammed with snow. He walks in, the tiny fire roars to life.... from the introduction of oxygen (they taught em to look for this, used ti have to be a detective too lol). Anyways, my dad wasn't a huge fan of the whole "internal massage technique" after being in the Air Force and learning a (at that time) 20 year old technique that had way better results. So he starts beating on the guys chest, the other doc screams at him for going crazy and *not* grabbing the patient by the heart internally, and boom. Dude comes back. The resr of the family did too, only dad couldn't wake up. Another hour maybe, two at the most, all would've died. Honestly, dad would have less time than an hour. Something about kids having less mass surviving more than grownups with bulk? Idk, don't quote me on that one, but it does seem like it. Depending on dozens of other factors tooo.... Rambling. Sorry, I get that from him. Always love a good story. Especially with a happy ending (that doesn't involve pocket knives and hands in chest cavities lol)
@@peteneblett9344 wow thank you for sharing all that with me. Seems crazy to think there was a time antibiotics were new😹but not something I think about often so😹anyway I really appreciate your time and teaching me a few more things. Really do appreciate it💟
I don't think anyone really believed you were talking about the kind of stage hypnosis where you'd be put in a trance & made to cluck like a chicken, but thank you for clarifying nonetheless
At 1:08:00, Two things. 1. Most trucks before 1980 could only seat 3 adults' on the bench seat, the fourth man would need to be in the bed of the truck, hidden from view by the camper shell/cap. 2. Revolvers were still fairly popular among criminals in the late 70's (Saturday night specials), and a revolver would not leave shell casings on the ground.
A couple of my friends have trucks you call them but we call them Utes from America with the three cab and I've seen them squish four people in it's tight and they were all men. You can do it. It depends on the size of the guys. You get the biggest ones at the doors and you get the smallest guys in the middle. It's squishy but you can do it. And the funniest thing is that the American cars have more room even back in that model than the Aussie ones. So yeah you can squish them in. Don't think it'll be comfortable.
@@ditta7865 That is definitely a possibility. I think its unlikely though as with the bed being covered, why would an American man squish his nads when it wasnt necessary. Also with a sliding window between the cab and camper, it would allow the person in the bed to have a position of control over the person in the middle of the seat. I am just speculating though. Anything could have happened.
So 1/6th of the American military at that time, plus a few thousand more Apache allies and assorted volunteers, struggled for years to capture or defeat a whopping 25 guys. That's as badass as Francis Marion, aka the Swamp Fox, from the Revolutionary War. Dude literally just led Patriots through the swamps to perform guerilla warfare on the British, and if I remember correctly he did all this with a bum leg. Not only that, but several skilled trackers and whole elements of Redcoats were sent into the swamps to track him down, and they never could. One officer was even quoted as saying something along the lines of, "As for that damned Fox, even the devil couldn't track him down". Geronimo may not have been related to Marion in any way, but they both certainly had the same spirit, and I absolutely love that.
@@lykonic1763the Apache wars was on again off again for years. During this time the US was also fighting the Comanche and other tribes to the North. They didn't have 5000 soldiers searching for him around the clock for decades it was 5 months. They found him in September 1886
@dimesonhiseyes9134 yes, I affirm: I spent summers in Lawton, OK as a child. Geronimo was more storied and revered in my cultural learning than Quanah Parker, our last leader. Geronimo was like Moses in my kid psyche.
@@dimesonhiseyes9134 My misunderstanding; this video is the first place I ever really learned much about him so hearing the 5,000 figure and seeing this comment about the size of the military at that time I just thought it was astounding that he went on uncaptured for as long as he did. As of right now I could have sworn Aiden said it was a span of years, but then again trying to think back on it a couple weeks later now, I guess I fell victim to a Freudian slip at the time, or just straight-up misinterpreted the information. Either way you've gotta hand it to Geronimo, 5,000+ to capture 25 guys after several months* is still hella impressive.
@@lykonic1763 no he did say it was years but he is very incorrect. But remember the Apache were very familiar with the terrain. The army was only vaguely aware. The terrain was also incredibly hostile with lots of canyons and mountains to hide in. An area hundreds of square miles. The Apache were decent horseman, not nearly as good as the Comanche, but they were still good. With suitable mounts they could cover hundreds of miles a day. However as Geronimo 's support structure started to erode he became more vulnerable and the search area was systematically made smaller. Until he more or less had no where else to go.
@@confusedbadger6275because its a belief and the guy in the vid literally said there are practicing skin walkers. yeah they probably dont change, but the belief and history is real
Because they’re not remotely connected to or related to the subject of the video. Interesting? Maybe. Related? Not at all. I always skip it because I’m interested only in the advertised video subject.
@@prowlprime they are directly connected to the videos as they pertain to knowledge and lore/folklore and history for the region the subject matter occurs in. Not just to pad out the time for the video but to provide otherwise obscure details that while considered to be mainly fictional it could grant credibility to the stories
the thing is it goes off point most the time hes gotten better but its stil rough a year ago he talked about the serria mountain tapes and bigfoot, started by discusing the tapes and how he has opinions deep dived a bit talked about feral people and how he has opinions but first lets discuss what bigfoot is, then he went on this 30 minute rant about bigfoot and Roosevelt never even went back to the actaul point of the video lol
thats the problem if hes going to say all this information he needs to make them longer so he can stay on the actual point save the history crap for the end
Um, you may not know this but jumping head first into rabbit hole after rabbit hole and taking a right onto every exit you see at 100 miles an hour is the actual embodiment of a short attention span run rampant.
With regards to the sketchy activities Dodie referred to at the ranch, I would point out the time Paul disappeared was the same time people started "cooking" meth. It was DANGEROUS in rural areas back then...you never knew where someone had a lab, and where officials were in on it.
that's actually a solid possibility, some other rangers higher ranked than Paul started in on the meth trade, doing deals in the park away from police and under their control, and Paul found out somehow, and then knowing his readiness to lawyer up thought that it would be much easier to have some of their associates (youngfist and David) bump him off in the park to make it look like a disappearance. they didn't want to have his body found so they wouldn't have to pay his widow who coincidentally was the only person to mention suspicious characters and potentially sent the letter about narcotics. the rangers could also have destroyed any record of Paul's fingerprints so that even if his body was found, no one could prove it was him.
Oh you poor thing. Don’t worry, sometimes it takes ghosts a while to realize they aren’t alive anymore. It’s perfectly normal to not realize you got gotted.
In Dodie's defence, grief can make you do some very strange things. I have a family member who straight up made things up about another's life and death-I will say that person who did so is not a good or very stable person, and I strongly disagree with the fact they do it, but I also understand why.
My grandmother always made things up. I think she actually believed her stories. Maybe she was just filling in the gaps of her memories. She didn't have dementia or anything. She wasn't even particularly old when I realized she did this.
But like - major things or small details that don't matter? Just curious, some family members kinda 'cooked up' things about what a now dead uncle did and didn't do. I knew said uncle far better than they did, and know for a fact that a lot of it didn't or couldn't have happened. Like, he wasn't in the same country as them at the time, but I was. He could have cooked up parts of it himself while alive, he was a bullshitter at times, but I doubt all of it. At any rate, I was there and know what did and didn't happen. But the end result is we don't talk about said uncle. Yay for that kind of junk.
I grew up in Indiana ( still here too) but my grandparents and Aunt, Uncle and all my cousins lived in Cochise AZ. We'd go there every year on vacation and we'd go to those mountains. I'm 42 now and I remember in 1991 when we went, I felt creeped out, I did not like going into those mountains, I swear I always felt like something was watching us. Love your work ❤️
Question. If that guy intentionally flew his private plane to Mexico, couldn't he have flown Paul's body to Mexico and had it buried there? As anyone every checked with Mexico authorities to see if there were any John Doe's matching Paul's description found around that time or since?
You've mentioned that people can skip ahead 10-15 minutes or so, but would you consider adding timestamps? Like Intro, History, Missing Person? You could even break down the case into parts, like disappearance background, initial investigation, your investigation, and final thought or something like that. I watch the whole video, but with over an hour to watch, sometimes I have to leave, and then can have a hard time finding where I was.
Same! Sometimes even switching tabs will make them reload on my browser, and the video will start from the beginning again. Trying to figure out where I was is so frustrating 😂
I spent two weeks in the Chiracuahua park while I worked with the Park Service over the summer one year. I stayed at rhe cabin he stayed at, and I'm prety sure I walked the trail he disappeared on. It's a very hard trail to disappear from. Wide open, with a sparse amount of trees, lots of signs and markers. It's also right by the highway through the mountains. This case has stayed with me since then. Thank you for covering this
As someone who has lived in Tucson my entire life (and was actually a few weeks old at the time of his disappearance) I can say that I don't find a single 1 of these theories as not having enough basis in fact to be discounted. And there are so many more possible theories that could easily be thrown in.
3rd guy could have been in the trucks camper cap. In the seventies people rode in those things all the time. I'd lean towards him skipping town. While random violence is a possibility, I don't think it was drug related - not over weed in the 70's. Now, if his weed trips had changed into cocaine trips, all bets are off.
Marijuana possession was a class A felony in the seventies so, yes; someone who didn't want anyone to see a large buy going down (and was not a good person to begin with) may want to eliminate the witness.
Yup, that's a big, fat, honking, serious trouble over weed was possible in the 70's. It didn't have to be criminally prosecuted. Even a high school student caught with a joint would be ostracized by the entire school, because everyone knew he would turn rat to get out of the charge.
Weed could get you into the same trouble possessing a high-grade narcotic would. So yes, fucking with someone who was growing weed in the 70s or 80s could get you killed.
Not to talk ill of the dead, but the fact Paul told Bonnie he’d had a vasectomy, which was not true obviously as his wife knew nothing about that, makes me think he told her that so he could… ya know…. He literally lied so he could finish where he wanted…in a 19-year-old. I am really giving that the side-eye. Absolutely gross of him.
But a vasectomy doesn't stop you from ejaculating, theres just no sperm in it. The only thing that would change is that he wouldnt have had to worry about getting someone pregnant. Unless he had some kinda breeding kink, faking a vasectomy is the stupidest thing possible
@@bloodyneptune I think you misunderstood my comment. I wasn’t implying it makes him unable to finish 😆 Plenty of guys like to finish inside and/or don’t want to wear a condom…Doesn’t require a breeding kink whatsoever. Why else would you lie about a vasectomy other than to convince the person you’re sleeping with to let you do that? It makes plenty of sense. Woman does not want to get pregnant so she makes him wear a condom and/or does not let him finish inside of her. He says “don’t worry I got a vasectomy!” so she lets him. Very simple
it's always been weird to me how whenever someone goes missing, the elements always try to shaft the explorers trying to find em/ their chances of survival
@@TheHellhound01because that's generally the reason they stay missing. if you don't get shafted by the elements, and foul play isn't involved, most people aren't gonna stay missing.
I really do got to give Missing Enigma credit, while I still do in many ways likely will always appreciate and admire David Paulides and I do believe there is some validity to his work absolutely....its guys like the Missing Enigma though who have done genuine thorough deep research and essentially proven on more then one instance basically one of two options....#1 David Paulides is not as thorough or good at research and data collecting as many are led to believe- I dont believe that for a second....or #2 He has not always not always but on more then one occasion/case deliberately omitted relevant details from some- not all- some/certain cases, and that is really a darn shame and only invited just skepticism and scrutiny ya know, perfect example is the Aaron hedges case it doesn't take a brain surgeon flying a rocket ship to realize his "friends" are neck deep and sketchy as hell as the literal Police reports un redacted parts even blatantly demonstrate. That being said I Believe in God I believe the world and all things on it and outside of it were created, I believe there are angels and demonic entities and I believe some of those types of things and other phenomena absolutely exist and in some instances could possibly be a reason for certain cases/disappearances/ unexplained deaths and etc. etc.
I can confirm the scam calls in PA. we got one. we couldn't understand a damn word the lady said but it didn't sit right. it was something like "hey we need to talk to you about your electric bill." We did not return the call.
The history sections are always amazing! About half way through the history sections I always forget what video I’m actually watching because I’m so interested in the history. Keep up the great work!!
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Scammers use this is as well.
This might be my favorite case simple for the fact that our options are: "I want my husband's life insurance", to Skinwalkers, to "that mustache isn't company policy".
They "got rid of him" because of his out of regs stache hmm
If they stuck him in a part of a park that virtually never gets visited why would the mustache be a problem as the mustache was the reason he was outposted there to begin with. On the other hand if you wanted to off hem that place would be the place to do it and get rid of the body because no one ever went there.
And finally from my perspective of rebellious type personalities...once Paul's bucking the system style became pretty mundane with Bonnie and if he had become disillusioned with his isolated job whose only purpose apparently was to make sure there were always 'footprints in the sand' he may have said F it and left. Another side of this that his wife was giving him shit about his relationship with Bonnie so that meant he would be totally isolated. And add to that his co worker seeing him in the bar and being convinced enough to save his drinking cup are all compelling.
As far as there being no fingerprints on record I am not buying that one. I worked for a branch of the Federal Government back in the early 70's and one of the first things they did was fingerprint me for part of the background check. Granted I did work part time summers before that and wasn't fingerprinted. However once I became a candidate for a position of permanent employee that was the first ground rule I had to agree to and sign a release form for in order for the job application to be processed. Computers weren't around then and files were stored locally and copies were carried via courier to different offices if requested. Did someone remove his fingerprints from his file? I find that's a better possibility than them never being taken.
In essence all the information we have on this case is the equivalent of the teaser written on the back jacket of a great mystery story. Some intrigue, a lot of unanswered or unsubstantiated questions, all the suspects of a great mystery and just enough motive provided for all the suspects to keep it interesting and not much more.
I am trying to isolate two from the pack and I just cannot do it. If I absolutely had to pick one I would say Paul chose to leave because life was closing in on him and that is one aspect of life that a rebellious personality cannot tolerate unless there is some substantial reward for doing so and that does not seem to be the case here. At least there is the physical evidence of the cup to support that theory. As flimsy as it is it is the *only* something on this case to go on.
LMAO
I would like but this comment won't have 411 likes. (Missing 411)
Lol 😂
2 weeks to start asking about death benefits is not unusual at all- I'm currently handling the probates for both my mom and my sister... It's been a rough year... And you only have a certain amount of time to get things done. I was closing my sister's accounts and inquiring about life insurance within 3 days of her death because unfortunately she lived in another state and I have to do what I can when I can. No one accused me of murder... They handled our business and that was that.
He wasn’t declared dead yet was more the issue
Scammers use data mining and using this to call their victims. 😢
right in declared dead cases lol
I’ve heard of it for missing persons too, it’s difficult to take over someone’s accounts and deal with their affairs when they just disappear so it sounds suspicious, but someone has to deal with their stuff.
condolences for you loss. Lots of strength to you and your family!
Seriously I have to say going into detail about the family structures of the chiricahua is the weirdest and most entirely disconnected nerd flex I think I have ever witnessed. Congratulations my man. I'm impressed.
Yeah, the history segment at the beginning of many of his videos is probably half the reason I watch these.
Put the extra at the end and everyone will be happy ...will that work.... while interesting I came to listen about fugate too
I got it...the gal didn't abort. She and Paul took off to raise the baby maybe ???
While I like the majority of your content, and great researching and analysis of the event covered, most of the time I don't understand why you would always cover the history of the region when said history of the region have little to do with the criminal or missing persons event you're currently covering. Like what does covering the indigenous tribes in this region you're covering have to do with the resolution at all? Was Luke ethnically a native Indian and victim of this serial killer? Was the killer a descendant of a few of these indigenous people? Were police in La Crosse descendants of said indigenous tribes? Was the drownings connected to indigenous folklore, a Cryptid, supernatural/paranormal event?
Also, IMO I found it silly and offensive that you presume the victim of this either foul play or something else, who went missing and we don't know if dead or alive, that you presume between 21:45 to 21:50 this Luke person may or may not know the history of this regions. You don't know if he knew about the history of that region, or if he didn't, and you don't know how much he cared to know. It's just silly. Also, try Delete Me? How about I try Delete You instead? Sponsored by the Grime Reaper, guaranteed warm and soft soil for a more comfy death bed experience. Limited time offer, buy now or it becomes permafrost soil! Don't wait for it to get colder!
I liked the part where he pointed out they all came from Siberia initially anyway and the whole native thing is a complete larp.
Being a known enemy of any "organized group of prisoners" IN PRISON is very, very, bad.
Yea, not a place to be.
Yeah it pretty much means youre a high ranking or well known member of another racial group of prison gangs😂 Pretty much all prison gangs are racial and enemies with every other gang
Yeah, best to be a non entity to people like that. This creator didn't think his statement through. Cheers
The Aryan Brotherhood was a “gang” founded in San Quentin prison and was comprised of white and Native Americans. Not all of its Members held anti black sentiment, not did they all hate Jews. It was a form of group survival behavior among prisoners. What Aryan means to the members of the gang is not for us to assume but for individual members and their actions to define. And what we think when we hear Aryan Brotherhood doesn’t mean the same thing as it did back then. It is, after all, a sociological invention
@@FirstthunderI can't find any evidence of Native American participation in any Aryan gangs. The one from sam quentin /had/ a high ranking member who grew up on a reservation but he was white and doesn't claim to have native parents. I can only find one singular person from the 30's who was ever both Native and a Nazi.
Ive camped at Chiricahua, on the eastern side of the park. I remember it being very quiet and still, despite the abundant wildlife making noise. Finally, a lore lodge video featuring a place ive camped.
I live close by in a cabin on another mountain, camped and hiked there countless times. I can see the park from where i sit at my desk. One of the best parts of this area is the lack of light pollution and all the amazing 'sky drama' that happens, from amazing sunrises, sunsets, being above the clouds, to the night sky, so many visible stars that make constellations hard to find.
I can see spectacular Starlink launches out of Vandenburg from here, and when they deploy the satellites it's quite the light show. Every clear night is a meteor shower.
In the summer months i like to sleep outside, i have a futon set up on a tall rock outcropping overlooking everything, but i usually end up awake all night just watching the sky.
The title of these vids is going to get Aidan murdered by the national parks service hitmen😂
Considering Aiden’s history with the National Park Service, video titles are prolly the least of his worries lol
@@undercookedtoast1479 wym?
@@mjm5899 bro is very persistent when it comes to looking for info on cases and the national parks service is very persistent in being obtuse and shady with said info. Aiden has expressed his distain for the NPS in almost every vid i watch from him, and when he isn’t he’s shitting on local/federal law enforcement.
00:01 seconds in and I already know the answer is yes.
The Park Service angle makes no sense based on the evidence presented.
The only way I could see them being involved is if someone in the NPS was covering for / complicit in drug growing 9r smuggling and he found out about it.
But if there are other drug related connections, they seem like the obvious choice.
Boys on the tracks style. Dude asked for his cut and got disappeared.
It's basically No Country for Old Men, he is Llewelyn Moss - he could even have decided to disappear, and take a stash (money or weed/coke) from a half-way stash house he knew was there...
And in spectacularly bad timing, got caught and killed, or...made it (and the whole truck story wasn't true/wasn't him).
I do find the suggestion that 'all the drugs went east' means that nobody would have...thought of using the quiet west route... to be laughable. It's so insanely obvious to try a quieter and unknown route if it's become widely-known where drugs are being run.
Meth cooking was starting to become a thing. He saw something he shouldn't and was made to vanish. The alternative to me is that he fled his crumbling life. Fleeing into Mexico or possibly fleeing to a bordering state. Seeing how it was incredibly easy to fall off the map at that point in time.
By the time we got back to Paul, I forgot it was about Paul. I was really absorbed into the story about the natives.
I've lived in AZ all my life, and the Chiricahua National Monument is one of my favorite places to visit. It's truly beautiful, if anyone ever has the chance to go there, I highly encourage it. But maybe stick with a buddy while you're there.
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Generally speaking, you become a known enemy of the AB by crossing them while doing business with them. Not saying there has never been and anti-fascist who attacked, or otherwise worked against the AB, who became a known enemy that way. Dude wasn't a cop or fed either. So he likely was conducting business with them and either screwed them over, or took off while being extorted.
41:35
No, polygraphs are very accurate. Everything they measure, is measured precisely.
They're just bad Lie Detectors.
Well said.
Master botanist pothead with an open marriage and knocked up a 20 year old on the side?
My dude dipped and started a grow op. in Mexico 💯😂
Definitely on the table
The knocked up 20 yo getting it aborted is honestly the saddest part. Don’t have intimate physical relationships with people you’re not allowed to have intimate emotional relationships with, folks
Or was already involved with shady people and got murdered
@mere7583
I don't blame her. Not sad at all.
1980 seems so much more recent to me than 1971, even though it’s only 9 years difference. Weird how the brain works sometimes. At least my brain lol
Imagine suing your employer for five years to get your job back... Like what do you wear for your first day back? Do you fist bump your colleagues like nothing happened? I mean how??
I appreciate the sheer emphasis with which you pronounce Chiricahua.
Love your vids man, the history segment, and the investigation.
"You can skip to the next chapter" My man, there's no chapters yet 😢
Just curious if you ever thought of doing a segment on Leonard Peltier? Very interesting and thorough episode.
Great video, as usual. It has been such a pleasure watching this channel grow!
My now husband actually figured out I was pregnant before I told him. Maybe he figured it out...afterall she said she had, by that time, missed two periods.
The amount of people who dont know vasectomies can fail is crazy
A deep dive into the Fugate case if ever there was one. Holy crap!!
Thank you for the moment for native American history!
I love how your dog ended up in your lap. Awesome video!
First off, love your videos & enjoy your channel very much. Now this part may sound weird, but stick with me. 😂 I'm a home school mom, & I absolutely love when you give a history of the people & region of the area in which the story is from. Would you ever consider doing a channel of just cool history? Because we have gone over the pre & post colonization of the America's but you made this bit of the subject so interesting. I think so many people would really enjoy that tyoe of content that they could share with their children. Just a thought. Again, thank you so much for all you guys do.
Former homeschool mom, here. (My daughters both graduated homeschool in the past two years.) What an awesome suggestion. I would've loved a resource like you describe for teaching history.
He has a history channel, but I think he mentioned in a podcast that they are still trying to make it financially viable
I was just wondering when the new video is going to drop and here it is) thank you Aidan and Aidan for always bringing us top tear content
Elmore Leonard had an influence on the Western genre because that's what he wrote until switching to crime fiction at the end of the 60s
I'm very confused on why keep referring to Paul being with other women as "cheating". They had an open marriage.
They’d agreed not to catch feelings with other people, but it looks like he had. It’s hard not to though, they kinda walked right into it.
I think it was the lying about the vasectomy and getting a twenty-something pregnant that pushes it to cheating.
The shirt mix up is definitely suspicious. I have shirts from both my grandfather and father in my closet. They both have passed away years ago. I still know which is which. The fact she has a shirt made 7 years after he went missing and claims it is his makes zero sense.
OMG your dog's outfit is so cute!!!!
21:19 I mean the fact that they sent over 5000 people out searching is probably the exact reason they had such a hard time finding the guy. Pretty easy to know who you need to avoid when it'd basically everyone lol...
Do you really not see why it might be necessary to muster thousands of men to cover hundreds of miles? And arrive in enough force to stop the threat with only acceptable losses?
Just so you know My grandfather got a Visctimy in the 60s and my Grandma was on the pill and 6 years later they still had another kid. So it happens
I remember hearing this story back when I lived in Tombstone, AZ, on the southern edge of Cochise County. I went to Chiricahua Monument and Cochise' Stronghold a few times.
I suspect his wife. There's a lot of motive on her end to resent him and remove him. Especially more if she thought she'd get his retirement benefits.
just started watching your stuff and I've already subbed. I love your background historical info
Just found your channel and wanted to say keep up the great videos.. enjoy your content, very intelligent and well thought out theories. Even a good voice for listening to while working
Quick correction: polygraphs are admissible in court in civil cases in 23 states
The most plausible theory is that there are loan killers who camp in the national parks who hunt people to see what murder feels like. These killers are not trying to get caught, come from different social classes, and are now roaming around modern society like nothing happened.
One story I read about on Reddit was about a Park Ranger in Mt. Rainer NP who claimed to have stumbled upon a possible booby trap or cache in the woods. In the ground there was apparently some light coming out with an opening that was a slightly ajar. The Ranger found out it wasn’t a trap and peaked inside. What he found was several Polaroid pictures of random hikers from decades before. The pictures were taken in several areas of the park. Very creepy.
'Delete Me' sounds like the company that would make Futurama's suicide booths just by name alone lmao.
I had a Shetland horse when I was a kid, named King Geronimo. I was in high school before I realized the name Geronimo was a real person and not just something we hollered as we jumped off the roof of grampa's shed.
Idc bro, just stay with a large group of people and they cant kill all of you
the three letter agencies all have access to m249s
Hearing that Paul gave away an M14, which I assume means a Full-auto machine gun version of the rifle, really piques my interest
I find it interesting that in every missing persons case the authorities state that in the majority of the cases someone close to or is known by the missing individual has a large part to play in the event. Why not be looking at Doty? He was cheating on her, girlfriend was preggers and we don’t seem to know what Doty knew or when she knew it, she inquired about the retirement benefits at a time that raises eyebrows, and the auto shop owner specifically mentioned her without prompting.
Every time you say "Bill Murray" a couple of guys with big smiles pop into my head and say "Michael Bolton".
The channel theme music that plays at the start always makes me think of the music for “this perfect daaaaay, nothing’s standing in my way!”
There's a high likelyhood that she was using brownie edibles which are excellent at remaining calm.
“if that’s not something you’re interested in, you can just skip to the next chapter”
-doesn’t include chapters-
When the dog entered the frame, I became oblivious to everything you were saying ...
We were stationed at Fort Huachuca for 3 years. The Fort had an Aerostat they raised looking for drug runners and illegal immigrants. We were there from '90-'93.
Our son loved going to the Chiricahua Park. My 85 yo grandmother loved it.
Problems stemming from the border was increasing then. Our first visit to the "Wonderland of Rocks", a Ranger told us to be vigilant "because a Ranger disappeared and never found". My husband was on active duty and found it odd they would nonchalantly make a comment like that in front of a 10 yo. Of course our son thought we should look for bones.
You would be south of Sierra Vista and see border patrol trucks parked every 1/4 miles apart. An 11 yo kid from Mexico stole a car in Sierra Vista and he ran the gate onto base.
The drug tunnel (one of many) was found from Mexico into Douglas AZ. The joke was: Where's Douglas AZ? At the end of the drug tunnel. It was on shirts and bumper stickers.
It was bad then. I wouldn't put it past the park service. It would have been a great location for smuggling. Plus if he was a problem child to the staid bosses, what a good way for him to disappear.
I find his wife odd to say the least. Is she of Native Peoples tribes? If so, they would know where /how to make people disappear.
Was the girlfriend and wife both deposed and lie detection tests given? Could they have worked together?
It would have been easy to get him over the border.
May GOD bless
I watch you two goons for many reasons (sarcasm, bad dad jokes, digs at the powers that be, grammer ocd, cinematography nerdery, and of course that little side detail of, y'know, the mysteriously rare cryptid erstwhilely known as well presented information paired with intelligent discourse...) but occasionally my compulsive history nerd self just needs to feel just a little less odd, and thus the phrase "my favorite name for a treaty ever" is music to my ears. Ya'll are the best... 😂
Having to avoid the man in ur family home seems like alotta work 😂
Gotta love unqualified leads which basically equate to cold calls.
I find it so funny they were mad at him and potentially fired and murdered him over a mustache because that mustache style is the EXACT style you would assume a national park employee would wear
leaving a comment to support the algorithm! 😝 i love your videos
im from bloomington il i was caught off guard when you said a letter came from our mediocre town haha
Just an idea..... he decided there was more money in being a coyote or running drugs- the wife was in on the idea and they both figured she would be set up financially by park service. He left his stuff behind and had some contacts pick him up for his departure. After so long of being "missing" he felt more comfortable being in public until the guy noticed him in the bar in Sierra Vista. ( I used to live in Sierra Vista......) That would explain the weirdness of the wife's actions, would explain him being seen with guys in a truck, a plan like this would take some time putting together so he could have left the "will" in preparation.
I obviously have no idea what happened and being at work getting distracted from the story, I didn't catch every detail, but speculating on this was purely for fun especially since I used to live in that area.
Fun side note, we one rented a house in Huachuca City- the next city over from Sierra Vista. After just being there maybe a week, a guy shows up and explained he had just moved out and couldn't grab all his belongings and asked if it was OK to come by with a truck and get what little was left, offered for us to keep the dining table..... and for some odd reason decided to disclose to us (complete strangers) that he was being investigated for running illegals. A couple of months later my boys were board and had lifed up a pice of carpet in their closet and found a trap door under it. We opened the door to find sleeping bags, pillows, candles, some water bottles and saddles 😂
Disclaimer: I'm not taking the time to proofread this so happy hunting on spelling or grammar errors 😅
I don't quite follow the timeline (I'd have to go back through to get a better idea of the order of events), but I suspect that Paul went into hiding because he feared his life was in jeopardy and then was subsequently murdered because he didn't go into hiding well enough. That is, he was still showing up where people who knew him were seeing him, but his disappearance was a good cover for murdering him once the people who wanted him dead found him. I don't know whether he was in on the drug deal or somehow threatened the drug dealers with exposure, but I suspect they were members of the ranger service who had an idea where he would go to hide out, knew how to cover his trail so he wouldn't be tracked, and tracked him themselves. If they were in the park ranger service, then it was a few park rangers who could do things like remove his fingerprints on record, but not the park ranger service in general. It sounds like he had a decent income, but I wouldn't expect the park ranger service to pay so well. So I don't know where they got Paul's income, but if he was involved with the drug deals, he could have a nest egg saved up somewhere to disappear with. But being in Arizona, I can see the spaces patrolled by the park rangers to be an ideal area for drugs coming in over the border and for a few rangers to be compensated for their cooperation with this illicit activity. That seems like the most likely explanation.
If Bonnie hadn't murdered their unborn child then that cup in the bar could have been swabbed for DNA and tested against the kid's. Could have solved the entire thing.
wow, just, submit a 21 year old who got lied to and left by a 40 something man to have a child she did not consent to.
really caring for the victim here, huh.
@jadenjerries2094 wow, just submit a child that doesn't even know what's going on to death, really caring caring the victim here
Dr*g deal gone wrong is also laughable because you know ol' boy was growing his own on the back 40.
100% Dodie did it. She was jealous of the long term girlfriend. She was unemotional about her husband's assumed death (by her). She assumed the death because she wanted money. She had Bonnie kill the only potential heir of Paul's so there was no future competition. Dodie either did it herself or hired someone to do it.
Ironic that I randomly chose a video with a history segment about the Mexican-American war scalp hunters and I’m reading Blood Meridian at the same time
If it was agreed upon by Paul and his wife, he wasnt cheating. It was an open marriage so its not infidelity.
“The realistic skinwalkers are-“
Ad for visiting Williamsburg comes on
Never going there lol
Fun fact: certain levels of government clearance require a full polygraph.
13:39 dude is going hard on pronunciation in this video! 😂 Not a R left unrolled wherever possible hahaha
Anything contained within a Govt. site, including Natl. Park's, can be considered Federal and treated as such. There's your answer. National Parks, USGS, Forestry Dept etc. and the Feds are essentially the same entity.
Hey Aidan! I’ve got two questions:
1. Is it unreasonable to think that all names investigated in this case were all RESPONSIBLE for Paul’s disappearance to some capacity. It could be just me but from what I’ve heard from this…he seems to have treated everyone he knew like an asshole (with all due respect). To quote our boy Wendigoon from his Yuba County 5 video, “Police would not be able to find who killed him, because everyone had a reason to kill him”.
2. When you mention a Bill Murray, is it THAT Billy Murray we talkin bout here.
Ik these are probably very stupid things to ask, but I’m a big fan of the channel and thought why not for the sake of some form of interaction w/ ya.
The pic popped up and I’m immediately like “that’s your dad, dude. Identical”
If I was working a National Park job I’d probably have a life insurance policy and a will. Wildlife and elements and plain old bad luck could take even a trained person out at any time.
Same.
But how long would it take them to declare you dead? Maybe years and years.
nah doti was after him
No cap
Sadly; the park service it littered with Favoritism and corruption.
I don't know about anybody else, but I really like the "little background history" thing you do in your videos. I hope you never quit doing them.
Yeah, it’s nice, it’s kind of like a more detailed land acknowledgment
Sometimes they're great, this one was amazing. But some are pointless. I always listen anyways
Same, the history segment is what puts this above other similar content. I always watch it with interest!
It is my favourite part of the episodes
Here here
When in doubt, always blame the Feds.
The conspiracy theorist motto
😂😂😂😂
**The Feds** when In doubt, always blame.. aliens.
I think we all know by now that the feds aren’t real.
Look at what they supposedly do and then look at how none of that is ever getting done.
Feds aren’t real you guys. They’re just a myth the government came up with to keep people in line, like the boogie man or the Yule cat.
60% of the time, it works 100% of the time.
The way Aiden is like “the realistic skinwalkers are-“ *cuts to Barbie ad*
I don’t know their exact situation but my husband and I were talking about how stressful it would be if something happened to one of us. To have the pain of it on top of missing a paycheck and worrying about keeping a roof over our head during that time and that we would quickly need to pull in whatever benefits we had. If the mortgage payment was coming up and there was no savings, I'd be asking about money too. So I can see why his wife would ask for the money.
That’s why me and my girl got prenups, we buy each other stuff constantly and help each other pay stuff but I’ve seen money destroy people so….. plus when we met I was the homeless one with a minimum wage job and she was the one with a good paying job and a house, 2 cars and stuff haha I didn’t want her to think I wanted anything but love
nahhh lol she def killed him
My husband is the money (I make very good money, but less than half what he does) and earlier this year lost his job. He was already in talks for another job but becoming the “bread winner” for even a few weeks was a lot of stress I had to take on. If something happened to him I would have no idea how to keep going with bills since he’s always taken care of everything.
My wife and I have had similar conversations 😢
@@cjboyothey’re good conversations to have! being prepared for an emergency is the greatest act of love you can do for one another. you both deserve the best outcomes in life regardless of what happens and having a safety plan set up can help ensure that
The missing fingerprints seem like a huge clue. Either Paul somehow got rid of them before he left to start a new life OR the NPS got rid of them so if a body was found he couldn't be identified as Paul because they either ended him or they didn't want to pay his wife his benefits.
If a body was found, they could still identify him with dental records.
@@Daughter_ofStars Do we know if there are dental records for Paul? I would have assumed they had his fingerprints so I'm not going to assume anything about dental records.
@@Mreffs101 dental records can be identified by using privately owned dentistry businesses, not national services so there is no way to hide them unless he never saw a dentist in his life
@@shehreentariq7308 And he may not have ever gone to a dentist or it may have been when he was so young there are no records showing his adult teeth.. But also consider he went missing before those records would be on any database. If someone wanted him gone, meaning the government, they could have had the records destroyed.
@shehreentariq7308 he would of needed to be an adult when he visited, and would of only ever gotten dentistry done at one dentist. If he had a bunch of dental work done in Mexico but his last xray was in AZ it not likely that they would of captured the work.
I think the government probably threw out his finger prints when he was fired and gone for 5yrs, then when they were forced 5o hire him back they were like we have all this already. No need.
One small correction:
Vasectomy.
There are two basic types, the old and the new.
Your number of "over 99%" is accurate for *new* procedures.
The reason a new procedure had to be developed in the first place is because the initial procedure had many, many failures.
Heres why:
1. Older procedure: the vas defrens was snipped, then tied and usually cauterized.
2. New procedure: remove most of the vas defrens, then cauterized.
The reason for early reattachment was that there was far more tube still chillin in there.
When removed almost entirely, the risk goes way down.
Our bodies seen to have a tendency to find ways to repair damaged sections in amazing ways, but have a far more difficult time replace full anatomical structures.
*EDIT*: the cut ends of the vas defrens are then tied, usually in little loops, to dissuade regrowth.
Sorry, I was being called for dinner and forgot that part.
And we were having Hot Dish.
Enough said.
Also, I forgot a solid Jurassic Park quote regarding the amazing abilities of the body:
"Life..... uhhhh.. uhh, finds..... uhhh... a WAY." Dr. Goldbloom-ChaosTheory
Thank you for the broke down explanation. Always nice to learn something.
@@mollylollipops thanks for the comment, I've always been fascinated by the human body. My dad being a surgeon probably influenced that lol.
And since you stated an intret in learning, here's some wild stuff:
He's where I got a lot of info about the "old vs new" procedures.
He started practicing medicine in the early 1950s.
He had a leather Doctors Kit, his name on it in gold script. There were emergency surgery tools inside.
Remember too: penicillin, antibiotics, were NEW at this point.
But here's the crazy part:
CPR was officially being taught in 1960. There were pioneers for decades before that encouraged "external cardiac massage" or chest compressions, and in the 1920s and hence WW2, a very rudimentary version of CPR was taught to medics.
Not doctors. Medics.
Standard training when my dad was in school was basicslly:
"External cardiac massage *might * work, but if things get serious, you fall back to the gold standard of.....
INTERNAL cardiac massage."
Yep.
4"-5" incision just below the sternum.
Insert hand.
Massage heart.
Boom, there ya go, pretty easy right?
ANNND, remember how I mentioned antibiotics?
Internal cardiac massage involved a doc cutting open the chest cavity, pumping the heart, and THEN just hoping the patient didn't get an infection.
They usually did.
We're not talking in an operating theater, this was performed on kitchen tables, restaurant tables, the back of cars, etc.
My dad has a story (one of several million) where a patient was unresponsive due to carbon monoxide poisoning.
Whole family was out, and blue.
Chimney had jammed with snow.
He walks in, the tiny fire roars to life.... from the introduction of oxygen (they taught em to look for this, used ti have to be a detective too lol).
Anyways, my dad wasn't a huge fan of the whole "internal massage technique" after being in the Air Force and learning a (at that time) 20 year old technique that had way better results.
So he starts beating on the guys chest, the other doc screams at him for going crazy and *not* grabbing the patient by the heart internally, and boom.
Dude comes back.
The resr of the family did too, only dad couldn't wake up.
Another hour maybe, two at the most, all would've died.
Honestly, dad would have less time than an hour.
Something about kids having less mass surviving more than grownups with bulk? Idk, don't quote me on that one, but it does seem like it. Depending on dozens of other factors tooo....
Rambling. Sorry, I get that from him. Always love a good story.
Especially with a happy ending (that doesn't involve pocket knives and hands in chest cavities lol)
If the vas defrens are removed in this new version of a vasectomy, how is it reversible?
@@peteneblett9344 wow thank you for sharing all that with me. Seems crazy to think there was a time antibiotics were new😹but not something I think about often so😹anyway I really appreciate your time and teaching me a few more things. Really do appreciate it💟
@@phantomlovebs its reversible because the human body can grow back missing pieces easily, but nowadays its reversal success rate is pretty low
I don't think anyone really believed you were talking about the kind of stage hypnosis where you'd be put in a trance & made to cluck like a chicken, but thank you for clarifying nonetheless
🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓😂
Since it all falls into that category of weird-bullshit, I'll claim sufficient inexpierence to wonder if it was stupid and silly.
At 1:08:00, Two things. 1. Most trucks before 1980 could only seat 3 adults' on the bench seat, the fourth man would need to be in the bed of the truck, hidden from view by the camper shell/cap. 2. Revolvers were still fairly popular among criminals in the late 70's (Saturday night specials), and a revolver would not leave shell casings on the ground.
A couple of my friends have trucks you call them but we call them Utes from America with the three cab and I've seen them squish four people in it's tight and they were all men. You can do it. It depends on the size of the guys. You get the biggest ones at the doors and you get the smallest guys in the middle. It's squishy but you can do it. And the funniest thing is that the American cars have more room even back in that model than the Aussie ones. So yeah you can squish them in. Don't think it'll be comfortable.
@@ditta7865 That is definitely a possibility. I think its unlikely though as with the bed being covered, why would an American man squish his nads when it wasnt necessary. Also with a sliding window between the cab and camper, it would allow the person in the bed to have a position of control over the person in the middle of the seat. I am just speculating though. Anything could have happened.
Tbh the regional history part is usually my favorite part of the video. Always super interesting and beneficial context to the story.
The 5,000 soldiers sent against Geronimo is even more significant when you realize that the US Army only had about 30,000 soldiers in 1885.
So 1/6th of the American military at that time, plus a few thousand more Apache allies and assorted volunteers, struggled for years to capture or defeat a whopping 25 guys. That's as badass as Francis Marion, aka the Swamp Fox, from the Revolutionary War. Dude literally just led Patriots through the swamps to perform guerilla warfare on the British, and if I remember correctly he did all this with a bum leg. Not only that, but several skilled trackers and whole elements of Redcoats were sent into the swamps to track him down, and they never could. One officer was even quoted as saying something along the lines of, "As for that damned Fox, even the devil couldn't track him down". Geronimo may not have been related to Marion in any way, but they both certainly had the same spirit, and I absolutely love that.
@@lykonic1763the Apache wars was on again off again for years. During this time the US was also fighting the Comanche and other tribes to the North. They didn't have 5000 soldiers searching for him around the clock for decades it was 5 months. They found him in September 1886
@dimesonhiseyes9134 yes, I affirm: I spent summers in Lawton, OK as a child. Geronimo was more storied and revered in my cultural learning than Quanah Parker, our last leader.
Geronimo was like Moses in my kid psyche.
@@dimesonhiseyes9134 My misunderstanding; this video is the first place I ever really learned much about him so hearing the 5,000 figure and seeing this comment about the size of the military at that time I just thought it was astounding that he went on uncaptured for as long as he did. As of right now I could have sworn Aiden said it was a span of years, but then again trying to think back on it a couple weeks later now, I guess I fell victim to a Freudian slip at the time, or just straight-up misinterpreted the information. Either way you've gotta hand it to Geronimo, 5,000+ to capture 25 guys after several months* is still hella impressive.
@@lykonic1763 no he did say it was years but he is very incorrect.
But remember the Apache were very familiar with the terrain. The army was only vaguely aware. The terrain was also incredibly hostile with lots of canyons and mountains to hide in. An area hundreds of square miles.
The Apache were decent horseman, not nearly as good as the Comanche, but they were still good. With suitable mounts they could cover hundreds of miles a day.
However as Geronimo 's support structure started to erode he became more vulnerable and the search area was systematically made smaller. Until he more or less had no where else to go.
I’m glad you set the record straight about skinwalkers. Drives me crazy hearing people misuse the term.
They aren't real so who cares
@@confusedbadger6275because its a belief and the guy in the vid literally said there are practicing skin walkers. yeah they probably dont change, but the belief and history is real
Dunno why people wouldn't be interested in your local history segments. They're fascinating. The regular content is decent too.
Right, I love the history parts that's what makes it a Lore Lodge video lol
Fr. Nattive history is so unknown and unappreciated, I like that he's breaking the habit of looking at history through A European lens
Because they’re not remotely connected to or related to the subject of the video. Interesting? Maybe. Related? Not at all. I always skip it because I’m interested only in the advertised video subject.
I like them more when the Native American lore or whatever is connected to the mystery. Sometimes I skip them and sometimes I listen.
@@prowlprime they are directly connected to the videos as they pertain to knowledge and lore/folklore and history for the region the subject matter occurs in. Not just to pad out the time for the video but to provide otherwise obscure details that while considered to be mainly fictional it could grant credibility to the stories
Your history segments are really fun to listen to, don't let any haters convince you to abandon them to appease their short attention spans.
the thing is it goes off point most the time hes gotten better but its stil rough a year ago he talked about the serria mountain tapes and bigfoot, started by discusing the tapes and how he has opinions deep dived a bit talked about feral people and how he has opinions but first lets discuss what bigfoot is, then he went on this 30 minute rant about bigfoot and Roosevelt never even went back to the actaul point of the video lol
thats the problem if hes going to say all this information he needs to make them longer so he can stay on the actual point save the history crap for the end
Um, you may not know this but jumping head first into rabbit hole after rabbit hole and taking a right onto every exit you see at 100 miles an hour is the actual embodiment of a short attention span run rampant.
That part sucked, rest of the video was good tho
With regards to the sketchy activities Dodie referred to at the ranch, I would point out the time Paul disappeared was the same time people started "cooking" meth. It was DANGEROUS in rural areas back then...you never knew where someone had a lab, and where officials were in on it.
that's actually a solid possibility, some other rangers higher ranked than Paul started in on the meth trade, doing deals in the park away from police and under their control, and Paul found out somehow, and then knowing his readiness to lawyer up thought that it would be much easier to have some of their associates (youngfist and David) bump him off in the park to make it look like a disappearance. they didn't want to have his body found so they wouldn't have to pay his widow who coincidentally was the only person to mention suspicious characters and potentially sent the letter about narcotics. the rangers could also have destroyed any record of Paul's fingerprints so that even if his body was found, no one could prove it was him.
As usual I dont actually have any stories to tell
I have only been in FDR national park and I dont think that I have been murdered
Oh you poor thing.
Don’t worry, sometimes it takes ghosts a while to realize they aren’t alive anymore.
It’s perfectly normal to not realize you got gotted.
Poor guy
Killed by FDR himself and he doesn't even know it
Are you sure????
In Dodie's defence, grief can make you do some very strange things. I have a family member who straight up made things up about another's life and death-I will say that person who did so is not a good or very stable person, and I strongly disagree with the fact they do it, but I also understand why.
My grandmother always made things up. I think she actually believed her stories. Maybe she was just filling in the gaps of her memories. She didn't have dementia or anything. She wasn't even particularly old when I realized she did this.
But like - major things or small details that don't matter? Just curious, some family members kinda 'cooked up' things about what a now dead uncle did and didn't do. I knew said uncle far better than they did, and know for a fact that a lot of it didn't or couldn't have happened. Like, he wasn't in the same country as them at the time, but I was. He could have cooked up parts of it himself while alive, he was a bullshitter at times, but I doubt all of it. At any rate, I was there and know what did and didn't happen. But the end result is we don't talk about said uncle. Yay for that kind of junk.
I grew up in Indiana ( still here too) but my grandparents and Aunt, Uncle and all my cousins lived in Cochise AZ. We'd go there every year on vacation and we'd go to those mountains. I'm 42 now and I remember in 1991 when we went, I felt creeped out, I did not like going into those mountains, I swear I always felt like something was watching us. Love your work ❤️
Question. If that guy intentionally flew his private plane to Mexico, couldn't he have flown Paul's body to Mexico and had it buried there? As anyone every checked with Mexico authorities to see if there were any John Doe's matching Paul's description found around that time or since?
It's possible Mexican authorities were paid off upon landing.
You've mentioned that people can skip ahead 10-15 minutes or so, but would you consider adding timestamps? Like Intro, History, Missing Person?
You could even break down the case into parts, like disappearance background, initial investigation, your investigation, and final thought or something like that.
I watch the whole video, but with over an hour to watch, sometimes I have to leave, and then can have a hard time finding where I was.
Same! Sometimes even switching tabs will make them reload on my browser, and the video will start from the beginning again. Trying to figure out where I was is so frustrating 😂
We usually do, it was just missed on this one. I’ll fix it after my stream!
I spent two weeks in the Chiracuahua park while I worked with the Park Service over the summer one year. I stayed at rhe cabin he stayed at, and I'm prety sure I walked the trail he disappeared on. It's a very hard trail to disappear from. Wide open, with a sparse amount of trees, lots of signs and markers. It's also right by the highway through the mountains. This case has stayed with me since then. Thank you for covering this
Idk why people think you can continuously have sex with a person and not gain an emotional connection.
The "playa" type tend not to
Why not its beter no drama no nothing i just turn 40 live alone for 23 years and would not want too change that ever
@@Samanta-van-laarindeed! But I dont have sex wirh same person always and dont let em sleepover spend time etc...😊
@@Samanta-van-laarsorry for your childhood trauma
Ask men.
As someone who has lived in Tucson my entire life (and was actually a few weeks old at the time of his disappearance) I can say that I don't find a single 1 of these theories as not having enough basis in fact to be discounted. And there are so many more possible theories that could easily be thrown in.
3rd guy could have been in the trucks camper cap. In the seventies people rode in those things all the time. I'd lean towards him skipping town. While random violence is a possibility, I don't think it was drug related - not over weed in the 70's. Now, if his weed trips had changed into cocaine trips, all bets are off.
Marijuana possession was a class A felony in the seventies so, yes; someone who didn't want anyone to see a large buy going down (and was not a good person to begin with) may want to eliminate the witness.
Yup, that's a big, fat, honking, serious trouble over weed was possible in the 70's. It didn't have to be criminally prosecuted. Even a high school student caught with a joint would be ostracized by the entire school, because everyone knew he would turn rat to get out of the charge.
Weed could get you into the same trouble possessing a high-grade narcotic would. So yes, fucking with someone who was growing weed in the 70s or 80s could get you killed.
Not to talk ill of the dead, but the fact Paul told Bonnie he’d had a vasectomy, which was not true obviously as his wife knew nothing about that, makes me think he told her that so he could… ya know…. He literally lied so he could finish where he wanted…in a 19-year-old. I am really giving that the side-eye. Absolutely gross of him.
yea honestly he sounded very skeevy
Back then vasectomies weren't as successful, but I still wouldn't be in the least bit surprised about a guy lying for sexual gain tbh
But a vasectomy doesn't stop you from ejaculating, theres just no sperm in it. The only thing that would change is that he wouldnt have had to worry about getting someone pregnant. Unless he had some kinda breeding kink, faking a vasectomy is the stupidest thing possible
@@bloodyneptune I think you misunderstood my comment. I wasn’t implying it makes him unable to finish 😆 Plenty of guys like to finish inside and/or don’t want to wear a condom…Doesn’t require a breeding kink whatsoever. Why else would you lie about a vasectomy other than to convince the person you’re sleeping with to let you do that? It makes plenty of sense. Woman does not want to get pregnant so she makes him wear a condom and/or does not let him finish inside of her. He says “don’t worry I got a vasectomy!” so she lets him. Very simple
Huge load
it's always been weird to me how whenever someone goes missing, the elements always try to shaft the explorers trying to find em/ their chances of survival
See, the part you're missing is that was going to happen anyways. Yes, Mother nature IS trying to kill you.
Very weird but very common.
@@toddaulner5393 ye! exactly. Like das either some really fucked luck/unfortunate places to go missing in/some seriously conspiratorial shit
@@TheHellhound01because that's generally the reason they stay missing. if you don't get shafted by the elements, and foul play isn't involved, most people aren't gonna stay missing.
You, Missing Enigma, and That Chapter all drop in a few hours of each other! Happy Friday!
I watch all of those too!
I really do got to give Missing Enigma credit, while I still do in many ways likely will always appreciate and admire David Paulides and I do believe there is some validity to his work absolutely....its guys like the Missing Enigma though who have done genuine thorough deep research and essentially proven on more then one instance basically one of two options....#1 David Paulides is not as thorough or good at research and data collecting as many are led to believe- I dont believe that for a second....or #2 He has not always not always but on more then one occasion/case deliberately omitted relevant details from some- not all- some/certain cases, and that is really a darn shame and only invited just skepticism and scrutiny ya know, perfect example is the Aaron hedges case it doesn't take a brain surgeon flying a rocket ship to realize his "friends" are neck deep and sketchy as hell as the literal Police reports un redacted parts even blatantly demonstrate. That being said I Believe in God I believe the world and all things on it and outside of it were created, I believe there are angels and demonic entities and I believe some of those types of things and other phenomena absolutely exist and in some instances could possibly be a reason for certain cases/disappearances/ unexplained deaths and etc. etc.
3 of my favorite channels !
I can confirm the scam calls in PA. we got one. we couldn't understand a damn word the lady said but it didn't sit right. it was something like "hey we need to talk to you about your electric bill." We did not return the call.
The history sections are always amazing! About half way through the history sections I always forget what video I’m actually watching because I’m so interested in the history. Keep up the great work!!
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