@@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit It's so crazy to me that there's always people who expect consistent content with absolutely no sponsorship segments. How do y'all think TH-cam works? Just skip forward if it genuinely upsets you enough to make a comment about it lmao.
This might be my favorite case simple for the fact that our options are: "I want my husband's life insurance", to Skinwalkers, to "that mustache isn't company policy".
If they stuck him in a part of a park that virtually never gets visited why would the mustache be a problem as the mustache was the reason he was outposted there to begin with. On the other hand if you wanted to off hem that place would be the place to do it and get rid of the body because no one ever went there. And finally from my perspective of rebellious type personalities...once Paul's bucking the system style became pretty mundane with Bonnie and if he had become disillusioned with his isolated job whose only purpose apparently was to make sure there were always 'footprints in the sand' he may have said F it and left. Another side of this that his wife was giving him shit about his relationship with Bonnie so that meant he would be totally isolated. And add to that his co worker seeing him in the bar and being convinced enough to save his drinking cup are all compelling. As far as there being no fingerprints on record I am not buying that one. I worked for a branch of the Federal Government back in the early 70's and one of the first things they did was fingerprint me for part of the background check. Granted I did work part time summers before that and wasn't fingerprinted. However once I became a candidate for a position of permanent employee that was the first ground rule I had to agree to and sign a release form for in order for the job application to be processed. Computers weren't around then and files were stored locally and copies were carried via courier to different offices if requested. Did someone remove his fingerprints from his file? I find that's a better possibility than them never being taken. In essence all the information we have on this case is the equivalent of the teaser written on the back jacket of a great mystery story. Some intrigue, a lot of unanswered or unsubstantiated questions, all the suspects of a great mystery and just enough motive provided for all the suspects to keep it interesting and not much more. I am trying to isolate two from the pack and I just cannot do it. If I absolutely had to pick one I would say Paul chose to leave because life was closing in on him and that is one aspect of life that a rebellious personality cannot tolerate unless there is some substantial reward for doing so and that does not seem to be the case here. At least there is the physical evidence of the cup to support that theory. As flimsy as it is it is the *only* something on this case to go on.
If I was working a National Park job I’d probably have a life insurance policy and a will. Wildlife and elements and plain old bad luck could take even a trained person out at any time.
2 weeks to start asking about death benefits is not unusual at all- I'm currently handling the probates for both my mom and my sister... It's been a rough year... And you only have a certain amount of time to get things done. I was closing my sister's accounts and inquiring about life insurance within 3 days of her death because unfortunately she lived in another state and I have to do what I can when I can. No one accused me of murder... They handled our business and that was that.
I’ve heard of it for missing persons too, it’s difficult to take over someone’s accounts and deal with their affairs when they just disappear so it sounds suspicious, but someone has to deal with their stuff.
Seriously I have to say going into detail about the family structures of the chiricahua is the weirdest and most entirely disconnected nerd flex I think I have ever witnessed. Congratulations my man. I'm impressed.
While I like the majority of your content, and great researching and analysis of the event covered, most of the time I don't understand why you would always cover the history of the region when said history of the region have little to do with the criminal or missing persons event you're currently covering. Like what does covering the indigenous tribes in this region you're covering have to do with the resolution at all? Was Luke ethnically a native Indian and victim of this serial killer? Was the killer a descendant of a few of these indigenous people? Were police in La Crosse descendants of said indigenous tribes? Was the drownings connected to indigenous folklore, a Cryptid, supernatural/paranormal event? Also, IMO I found it silly and offensive that you presume the victim of this either foul play or something else, who went missing and we don't know if dead or alive, that you presume between 21:45 to 21:50 this Luke person may or may not know the history of this regions. You don't know if he knew about the history of that region, or if he didn't, and you don't know how much he cared to know. It's just silly. Also, try Delete Me? How about I try Delete You instead? Sponsored by the Grime Reaper, guaranteed warm and soft soil for a more comfy death bed experience. Limited time offer, buy now or it becomes permafrost soil! Don't wait for it to get colder!
I think we all know by now that the feds aren’t real. Look at what they supposedly do and then look at how none of that is ever getting done. Feds aren’t real you guys. They’re just a myth the government came up with to keep people in line, like the boogie man or the Yule cat.
One small correction: Vasectomy. There are two basic types, the old and the new. Your number of "over 99%" is accurate for *new* procedures. The reason a new procedure had to be developed in the first place is because the initial procedure had many, many failures. Heres why: 1. Older procedure: the vas defrens was snipped, then tied and usually cauterized. 2. New procedure: remove most of the vas defrens, then cauterized. The reason for early reattachment was that there was far more tube still chillin in there. When removed almost entirely, the risk goes way down. Our bodies seen to have a tendency to find ways to repair damaged sections in amazing ways, but have a far more difficult time replace full anatomical structures. *EDIT*: the cut ends of the vas defrens are then tied, usually in little loops, to dissuade regrowth. Sorry, I was being called for dinner and forgot that part. And we were having Hot Dish. Enough said. Also, I forgot a solid Jurassic Park quote regarding the amazing abilities of the body: "Life..... uhhhh.. uhh, finds..... uhhh... a WAY." Dr. Goldbloom-ChaosTheory
@@mollylollipops thanks for the comment, I've always been fascinated by the human body. My dad being a surgeon probably influenced that lol. And since you stated an intret in learning, here's some wild stuff: He's where I got a lot of info about the "old vs new" procedures. He started practicing medicine in the early 1950s. He had a leather Doctors Kit, his name on it in gold script. There were emergency surgery tools inside. Remember too: penicillin, antibiotics, were NEW at this point. But here's the crazy part: CPR was officially being taught in 1960. There were pioneers for decades before that encouraged "external cardiac massage" or chest compressions, and in the 1920s and hence WW2, a very rudimentary version of CPR was taught to medics. Not doctors. Medics. Standard training when my dad was in school was basicslly: "External cardiac massage *might * work, but if things get serious, you fall back to the gold standard of..... INTERNAL cardiac massage." Yep. 4"-5" incision just below the sternum. Insert hand. Massage heart. Boom, there ya go, pretty easy right? ANNND, remember how I mentioned antibiotics? Internal cardiac massage involved a doc cutting open the chest cavity, pumping the heart, and THEN just hoping the patient didn't get an infection. They usually did. We're not talking in an operating theater, this was performed on kitchen tables, restaurant tables, the back of cars, etc. My dad has a story (one of several million) where a patient was unresponsive due to carbon monoxide poisoning. Whole family was out, and blue. Chimney had jammed with snow. He walks in, the tiny fire roars to life.... from the introduction of oxygen (they taught em to look for this, used ti have to be a detective too lol). Anyways, my dad wasn't a huge fan of the whole "internal massage technique" after being in the Air Force and learning a (at that time) 20 year old technique that had way better results. So he starts beating on the guys chest, the other doc screams at him for going crazy and *not* grabbing the patient by the heart internally, and boom. Dude comes back. The resr of the family did too, only dad couldn't wake up. Another hour maybe, two at the most, all would've died. Honestly, dad would have less time than an hour. Something about kids having less mass surviving more than grownups with bulk? Idk, don't quote me on that one, but it does seem like it. Depending on dozens of other factors tooo.... Rambling. Sorry, I get that from him. Always love a good story. Especially with a happy ending (that doesn't involve pocket knives and hands in chest cavities lol)
@@peteneblett9344 wow thank you for sharing all that with me. Seems crazy to think there was a time antibiotics were new😹but not something I think about often so😹anyway I really appreciate your time and teaching me a few more things. Really do appreciate it💟
I don’t know their exact situation but my husband and I were talking about how stressful it would be if something happened to one of us. To have the pain of it on top of missing a paycheck and worrying about keeping a roof over our head during that time and that we would quickly need to pull in whatever benefits we had. If the mortgage payment was coming up and there was no savings, I'd be asking about money too. So I can see why his wife would ask for the money.
That’s why me and my girl got prenups, we buy each other stuff constantly and help each other pay stuff but I’ve seen money destroy people so….. plus when we met I was the homeless one with a minimum wage job and she was the one with a good paying job and a house, 2 cars and stuff haha I didn’t want her to think I wanted anything but love
My husband is the money (I make very good money, but less than half what he does) and earlier this year lost his job. He was already in talks for another job but becoming the “bread winner” for even a few weeks was a lot of stress I had to take on. If something happened to him I would have no idea how to keep going with bills since he’s always taken care of everything.
@@cjboyothey’re good conversations to have! being prepared for an emergency is the greatest act of love you can do for one another. you both deserve the best outcomes in life regardless of what happens and having a safety plan set up can help ensure that
I spent two weeks in the Chiracuahua park while I worked with the Park Service over the summer one year. I stayed at rhe cabin he stayed at, and I'm prety sure I walked the trail he disappeared on. It's a very hard trail to disappear from. Wide open, with a sparse amount of trees, lots of signs and markers. It's also right by the highway through the mountains. This case has stayed with me since then. Thank you for covering this
The missing fingerprints seem like a huge clue. Either Paul somehow got rid of them before he left to start a new life OR the NPS got rid of them so if a body was found he couldn't be identified as Paul because they either ended him or they didn't want to pay his wife his benefits.
@@Daughter_ofStars Do we know if there are dental records for Paul? I would have assumed they had his fingerprints so I'm not going to assume anything about dental records.
@@Mreffs101 dental records can be identified by using privately owned dentistry businesses, not national services so there is no way to hide them unless he never saw a dentist in his life
@@shehreentariq7308 And he may not have ever gone to a dentist or it may have been when he was so young there are no records showing his adult teeth.. But also consider he went missing before those records would be on any database. If someone wanted him gone, meaning the government, they could have had the records destroyed.
@shehreentariq7308 he would of needed to be an adult when he visited, and would of only ever gotten dentistry done at one dentist. If he had a bunch of dental work done in Mexico but his last xray was in AZ it not likely that they would of captured the work. I think the government probably threw out his finger prints when he was fired and gone for 5yrs, then when they were forced 5o hire him back they were like we have all this already. No need.
@@confusedbadger6275because its a belief and the guy in the vid literally said there are practicing skin walkers. yeah they probably dont change, but the belief and history is real
the thing is it goes off point most the time hes gotten better but its stil rough a year ago he talked about the serria mountain tapes and bigfoot, started by discusing the tapes and how he has opinions deep dived a bit talked about feral people and how he has opinions but first lets discuss what bigfoot is, then he went on this 30 minute rant about bigfoot and Roosevelt never even went back to the actaul point of the video lol
thats the problem if hes going to say all this information he needs to make them longer so he can stay on the actual point save the history crap for the end
Um, you may not know this but jumping head first into rabbit hole after rabbit hole and taking a right onto every exit you see at 100 miles an hour is the actual embodiment of a short attention span run rampant.
Yeah it pretty much means youre a high ranking or well known member of another racial group of prison gangs😂 Pretty much all prison gangs are racial and enemies with every other gang
The Aryan Brotherhood was a “gang” founded in San Quentin prison and was comprised of white and Native Americans. Not all of its Members held anti black sentiment, not did they all hate Jews. It was a form of group survival behavior among prisoners. What Aryan means to the members of the gang is not for us to assume but for individual members and their actions to define. And what we think when we hear Aryan Brotherhood doesn’t mean the same thing as it did back then. It is, after all, a sociological invention
@@FirstthunderI can't find any evidence of Native American participation in any Aryan gangs. The one from sam quentin /had/ a high ranking member who grew up on a reservation but he was white and doesn't claim to have native parents. I can only find one singular person from the 30's who was ever both Native and a Nazi.
Ive camped at Chiricahua, on the eastern side of the park. I remember it being very quiet and still, despite the abundant wildlife making noise. Finally, a lore lodge video featuring a place ive camped.
I live close by in a cabin on another mountain, camped and hiked there countless times. I can see the park from where i sit at my desk. One of the best parts of this area is the lack of light pollution and all the amazing 'sky drama' that happens, from amazing sunrises, sunsets, being above the clouds, to the night sky, so many visible stars that make constellations hard to find. I can see spectacular Starlink launches out of Vandenburg from here, and when they deploy the satellites it's quite the light show. Every clear night is a meteor shower. In the summer months i like to sleep outside, i have a futon set up on a tall rock outcropping overlooking everything, but i usually end up awake all night just watching the sky.
I grew up in Indiana ( still here too) but my grandparents and Aunt, Uncle and all my cousins lived in Cochise AZ. We'd go there every year on vacation and we'd go to those mountains. I'm 42 now and I remember in 1991 when we went, I felt creeped out, I did not like going into those mountains, I swear I always felt like something was watching us. Love your work ❤️
I don't think anyone really believed you were talking about the kind of stage hypnosis where you'd be put in a trance & made to cluck like a chicken, but thank you for clarifying nonetheless
I commented the other day that I love the history parts of these videos and I just wanna say that again. I was never taught Native American or indigenous peoples history, so all of these little history lessons about their history is amazing. So again, thank you.
In Dodie's defence, grief can make you do some very strange things. I have a family member who straight up made things up about another's life and death-I will say that person who did so is not a good or very stable person, and I strongly disagree with the fact they do it, but I also understand why.
My grandmother always made things up. I think she actually believed her stories. Maybe she was just filling in the gaps of her memories. She didn't have dementia or anything. She wasn't even particularly old when I realized she did this.
But like - major things or small details that don't matter? Just curious, some family members kinda 'cooked up' things about what a now dead uncle did and didn't do. I knew said uncle far better than they did, and know for a fact that a lot of it didn't or couldn't have happened. Like, he wasn't in the same country as them at the time, but I was. He could have cooked up parts of it himself while alive, he was a bullshitter at times, but I doubt all of it. At any rate, I was there and know what did and didn't happen. But the end result is we don't talk about said uncle. Yay for that kind of junk.
At 1:08:00, Two things. 1. Most trucks before 1980 could only seat 3 adults' on the bench seat, the fourth man would need to be in the bed of the truck, hidden from view by the camper shell/cap. 2. Revolvers were still fairly popular among criminals in the late 70's (Saturday night specials), and a revolver would not leave shell casings on the ground.
A couple of my friends have trucks you call them but we call them Utes from America with the three cab and I've seen them squish four people in it's tight and they were all men. You can do it. It depends on the size of the guys. You get the biggest ones at the doors and you get the smallest guys in the middle. It's squishy but you can do it. And the funniest thing is that the American cars have more room even back in that model than the Aussie ones. So yeah you can squish them in. Don't think it'll be comfortable.
@@ditta7865 That is definitely a possibility. I think its unlikely though as with the bed being covered, why would an American man squish his nads when it wasnt necessary. Also with a sliding window between the cab and camper, it would allow the person in the bed to have a position of control over the person in the middle of the seat. I am just speculating though. Anything could have happened.
Both Ford and Dodge had extended cab trucks since 73-74ish. But I'd had this thot too when he started talking about the 4th man. But one could have been left behind or met up with later too.
The history sections are always amazing! About half way through the history sections I always forget what video I’m actually watching because I’m so interested in the history. Keep up the great work!!
With regards to the sketchy activities Dodie referred to at the ranch, I would point out the time Paul disappeared was the same time people started "cooking" meth. It was DANGEROUS in rural areas back then...you never knew where someone had a lab, and where officials were in on it.
that's actually a solid possibility, some other rangers higher ranked than Paul started in on the meth trade, doing deals in the park away from police and under their control, and Paul found out somehow, and then knowing his readiness to lawyer up thought that it would be much easier to have some of their associates (youngfist and David) bump him off in the park to make it look like a disappearance. they didn't want to have his body found so they wouldn't have to pay his widow who coincidentally was the only person to mention suspicious characters and potentially sent the letter about narcotics. the rangers could also have destroyed any record of Paul's fingerprints so that even if his body was found, no one could prove it was him.
Because they’re not remotely connected to or related to the subject of the video. Interesting? Maybe. Related? Not at all. I always skip it because I’m interested only in the advertised video subject.
@@prowlprime they are directly connected to the videos as they pertain to knowledge and lore/folklore and history for the region the subject matter occurs in. Not just to pad out the time for the video but to provide otherwise obscure details that while considered to be mainly fictional it could grant credibility to the stories
As someone who has lived in Tucson my entire life (and was actually a few weeks old at the time of his disappearance) I can say that I don't find a single 1 of these theories as not having enough basis in fact to be discounted. And there are so many more possible theories that could easily be thrown in.
You've mentioned that people can skip ahead 10-15 minutes or so, but would you consider adding timestamps? Like Intro, History, Missing Person? You could even break down the case into parts, like disappearance background, initial investigation, your investigation, and final thought or something like that. I watch the whole video, but with over an hour to watch, sometimes I have to leave, and then can have a hard time finding where I was.
Same! Sometimes even switching tabs will make them reload on my browser, and the video will start from the beginning again. Trying to figure out where I was is so frustrating 😂
as an arizonan, thanks for going so in depth into the indigenous tribes and and really doing your homework. everything you said is spot on, not many people dive into the cultures and historical context to that extent. excellent video 🤘🔥
I really do got to give Missing Enigma credit, while I still do in many ways likely will always appreciate and admire David Paulides and I do believe there is some validity to his work absolutely....its guys like the Missing Enigma though who have done genuine thorough deep research and essentially proven on more then one instance basically one of two options....#1 David Paulides is not as thorough or good at research and data collecting as many are led to believe- I dont believe that for a second....or #2 He has not always not always but on more then one occasion/case deliberately omitted relevant details from some- not all- some/certain cases, and that is really a darn shame and only invited just skepticism and scrutiny ya know, perfect example is the Aaron hedges case it doesn't take a brain surgeon flying a rocket ship to realize his "friends" are neck deep and sketchy as hell as the literal Police reports un redacted parts even blatantly demonstrate. That being said I Believe in God I believe the world and all things on it and outside of it were created, I believe there are angels and demonic entities and I believe some of those types of things and other phenomena absolutely exist and in some instances could possibly be a reason for certain cases/disappearances/ unexplained deaths and etc. etc.
The Park Service angle makes no sense based on the evidence presented. The only way I could see them being involved is if someone in the NPS was covering for / complicit in drug growing 9r smuggling and he found out about it. But if there are other drug related connections, they seem like the obvious choice.
It's basically No Country for Old Men, he is Llewelyn Moss - he could even have decided to disappear, and take a stash (money or weed/coke) from a half-way stash house he knew was there... And in spectacularly bad timing, got caught and killed, or...made it (and the whole truck story wasn't true/wasn't him). I do find the suggestion that 'all the drugs went east' means that nobody would have...thought of using the quiet west route... to be laughable. It's so insanely obvious to try a quieter and unknown route if it's become widely-known where drugs are being run.
Meth cooking was starting to become a thing. He saw something he shouldn't and was made to vanish. The alternative to me is that he fled his crumbling life. Fleeing into Mexico or possibly fleeing to a bordering state. Seeing how it was incredibly easy to fall off the map at that point in time.
Take that history with a small no tiny grain of salt....the USA lies about history they still say CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS DISCOVERED AMERICA....LOL...WE ALL KNOW BETTER NOW...BLACKS WERE ALREADY HERE BEFORE ALL RACES... 💯% ABSOLUTE TRUTH....PBP....POINT BLANK PERIOD
I've lived in AZ all my life, and the Chiricahua National Monument is one of my favorite places to visit. It's truly beautiful, if anyone ever has the chance to go there, I highly encourage it. But maybe stick with a buddy while you're there.
@@mjm5899 bro is very persistent when it comes to looking for info on cases and the national parks service is very persistent in being obtuse and shady with said info. Aiden has expressed his distain for the NPS in almost every vid i watch from him, and when he isn’t he’s shitting on local/federal law enforcement.
I gotta say I commend your efforts on your videos. You even make it easy to sift thru the parts your viewers might find disinteresting. The amount of consideration put into your work is appreciated.
I'm so impressed with all of the background that you put into all of your videos, and it's why I'm always clicking on your videos as soon as I see a new one! Great job as always guys!
The idea of Dodie using a semicolon is on it's surface very damning. But countless numbers of people would have seen her letters. And they would have been as aware as most people should be that this is a rather odd way to use punctuation. So if someone wanted to make her look involved, using a semicolon in a letter would be an easy way to do it.
Question. If that guy intentionally flew his private plane to Mexico, couldn't he have flown Paul's body to Mexico and had it buried there? As anyone every checked with Mexico authorities to see if there were any John Doe's matching Paul's description found around that time or since?
I can confirm the scam calls in PA. we got one. we couldn't understand a damn word the lady said but it didn't sit right. it was something like "hey we need to talk to you about your electric bill." We did not return the call.
You probably won't see this comment. But I actually really appreciate the opening History segments in the beginning of the videos. I find them very interesting, and always informative.
You know what's crazy....I live in Wisconsin and I was born in 1982. Before having me my father went down to Arizona for a few years to avoid a warrant in Wisconsin. So he was in Arizona during this time period and then moved back to Wisconsin and met and married my mom by September 1982. His name is David. Bumbumbum
Imagine suing your employer for five years to get your job back... Like what do you wear for your first day back? Do you fist bump your colleagues like nothing happened? I mean how??
Both the Indian wars and what we think of as the “old west” (including Indian conflicts) didn’t really end until the early 1910’s. With “old west” style events (again, like Indian wars/raids for example) happening sporadically for like two decades after. I wrote a whole ass mini essay on it that I could post if you’re interested.
The Apache Wars didn't end until 1925. Even on reservations, a lot of tribes have a degree of autonomy due to their status as essentially protecterates. For two examples within a generation of the end of the Apache Wars, the Iroquois declared war on Germany during World War One, never signed a treaty with them, and then picked up where they left off in World War Two. Just prior to the US' entry into World War Two, Joseph Goebbels declared the Lakota to be Aryans because Western novels were very popular in Germany during that era and Goebbels was huge into that genre. The Lakota in turn were so offended by this declaration that they immediately declared war on the Nazis.
3rd guy could have been in the trucks camper cap. In the seventies people rode in those things all the time. I'd lean towards him skipping town. While random violence is a possibility, I don't think it was drug related - not over weed in the 70's. Now, if his weed trips had changed into cocaine trips, all bets are off.
Marijuana possession was a class A felony in the seventies so, yes; someone who didn't want anyone to see a large buy going down (and was not a good person to begin with) may want to eliminate the witness.
Yup, that's a big, fat, honking, serious trouble over weed was possible in the 70's. It didn't have to be criminally prosecuted. Even a high school student caught with a joint would be ostracized by the entire school, because everyone knew he would turn rat to get out of the charge.
Weed could get you into the same trouble possessing a high-grade narcotic would. So yes, fucking with someone who was growing weed in the 70s or 80s could get you killed.
As someone from Fort Worth, I feel crazy that I’ve never heard of this guy. Feels like someone, especially in the nature/hiker community, I should know about
it's always been weird to me how whenever someone goes missing, the elements always try to shaft the explorers trying to find em/ their chances of survival
@@TheHellhound01because that's generally the reason they stay missing. if you don't get shafted by the elements, and foul play isn't involved, most people aren't gonna stay missing.
Love this channel!! You guys are gonna have millions of followers one day!! The amount of research, detail and care put into the stories is top notch. The Lore Lodge is awesome 🎉
Oh you poor thing. Don’t worry, sometimes it takes ghosts a while to realize they aren’t alive anymore. It’s perfectly normal to not realize you got gotted.
Generally speaking, you become a known enemy of the AB by crossing them while doing business with them. Not saying there has never been and anti-fascist who attacked, or otherwise worked against the AB, who became a known enemy that way. Dude wasn't a cop or fed either. So he likely was conducting business with them and either screwed them over, or took off while being extorted.
Not to talk ill of the dead, but the fact Paul told Bonnie he’d had a vasectomy, which was not true obviously as his wife knew nothing about that, makes me think he told her that so he could… ya know…. He literally lied so he could finish where he wanted…in a 19-year-old. I am really giving that the side-eye. Absolutely gross of him.
But a vasectomy doesn't stop you from ejaculating, theres just no sperm in it. The only thing that would change is that he wouldnt have had to worry about getting someone pregnant. Unless he had some kinda breeding kink, faking a vasectomy is the stupidest thing possible
@@bloodyneptune I think you misunderstood my comment. I wasn’t implying it makes him unable to finish 😆 Plenty of guys like to finish inside and/or don’t want to wear a condom…Doesn’t require a breeding kink whatsoever. Why else would you lie about a vasectomy other than to convince the person you’re sleeping with to let you do that? It makes plenty of sense. Woman does not want to get pregnant so she makes him wear a condom and/or does not let him finish inside of her. He says “don’t worry I got a vasectomy!” so she lets him. Very simple
Judging by his CHARACTER, and the insane amount of seedy people surrounding this case, it's almost a certainty he was smuggling drugs in from Mexico, or growing vast sums of weed in the wilderness. A normal & law abiding Park Ranger, who went missing, would NEVER wind-up with a case like this. Consequently, the probability is VERY HIGH he was murdered by his associates or a business partner. I am 100% certain it was either related to drugs or his marriage. Zero chance he got lost, or left intentionally.
Wow, you should call somebody, since you're 100% sure and everything. I didn't know that was possible considering you don't have any physical evidence or even any witness testimony but Hey man, you solved it
You're probably right, but it could also be something depressingly more mundane. Maybe there were worse money issues at home than the wife let on and he was stressed about it and went off to die in the woods. Heck, maybe he fell into a portal and everything else is sheer coincidence.
It's possible he got killed for his hand in potential drug dealing or saw something related that got him killed. Although I personally lean toward the guy fleeing his life upon everything crumbling rapidly, or as DieViet said, he probably just went into the mountains to dome himself so those he left behind at least got some cash to pick up the pieces of their lives.
About the bank account(s)--It wasn't until the early 2000's-ish--by Federal regulations two different banks that carried the same name (say, Bank of America) were mostly not "branches," they may have been owned by the same corp but could not share accounts back and forth. You had to establish new accounts. If you had an account in one city, you had to establish the new account if you wanted an account in another city. This regulation may have dated back to the "new" bank regulations under FDR.
Indeed. If you aren't old enough to have had to deal with banks back in the "olden days" before things like ATMs, you probably don't understand just how difficult it often was. Everything from "bankers hours" where they'd only be open from 10-2 some days, to every branch being treated as an independent entity, to having to write a check made out to "CASH" at the grocery store to get money, to savings accounts where the number printed in a passbook determined how much money was in your account. It was a different world.
I feel like murder is kind of drastic for being seen as an annoying employee, but I guess there have been weirder motivations. I'm also not super suspicious of the shirt mix-up, because if she left it out for like 30 years, she'd probably still need to wash it from getting dusty or something and by that point it might be performative even if she did originally do it for grieving after so long, but buying it when she got paranoid about her government money getting taken away would also fit the timeline. Looks like it's time to chalk it up to (makes exaggerated shrugging gesture).
My now husband actually figured out I was pregnant before I told him. Maybe he figured it out...afterall she said she had, by that time, missed two periods.
one small note on the will and letter and life insurance Most of my family (and we're a BIG family, to give an idea of scale, I have just shy of 300 first cousins - I'm also a Gen Xer with Boomer parents to give an idea of the ages involved) have living wills, life insurance and have 'okay if we die, this is what you should do' that are almost identical to what you described. None were written because we feared something was about to happen or because any of us were suicidal, but simply because there were family members who died unexpectedly when my Nana was young and then again when my Dad and his siblings were young... and my Mom's dad was a lawyer and suggested it Even outside of my family, I know more people who have Living Wills and 'what to do if I die' letters than I know those without. Not saying that has to be the case here, just wanted to put forward that it might be something like myself and my kith and kin rather than something nefarious
Hey man I absolutely love these bit's about native American history that you do before the videos, literally one of the best researched and presented native American content on youtube. I would love it if you did a video just about the different tribes, or even just collated some of the context history from your other videos into a video just about the different nations and tribal goups. As a non American I forget the names and different regions. Anyway love your work mate!
Thank you for doing that history of the region segment. I am mescalero apache and this is the first time I have heard a causal mention of my band; Outside of something discussing the mescalero apache people directly. Thanks, that was cool.
Just wanted to jump in and say, you guys do a great job. I also appreciate your dedication to the history of the land. Thanks and “keep on keeping on” 🍻
I like the way you present the early history of the area before the case you will be discussing. And the early history of the Apache is very relevant to the area of Chirachaua National monument.
The skinwalker bit from you is what really got my attention. I love you brought up the false Tiktok idea of the legend. Def following you for that, and the amazing content
The main reason the “Apache” didn’t see themselves as a solidified nation is because there is no such thing as the Apache. “Apache” or as some pronounced it “A(h)-Pa-Che” was, and I wish I could remember which, either the Ute or Hopi word for “enemy”. The Apache did not call themselves that, and the reason it’s so hard to nail down a solid history is because any group or tribe that was the enemy of either the Ute or Hopi (again, can’t remember who’s word it is), would have been called “Apache”. The US adopted the word because that’s what our allies told us they were called. No joke, that’s the reason we know the word. See “Apache” was any tribe that was an enemy. Therefore, Apache was not one nation, but many, even Navajo living to the northern part of the 4 corners were called Apache. Basically, everyone who was not our friend (either Ute or Hopi) was an Apache.
Hello; I really appreciate all the hard work you put in before presenting these videos, and this is an especially good one! Thank you for that! My favorite part of any of your videos is the historical framework that you elucidate before launching into the narrative. I appreciate the Native American histories the most, because that is a vital area of our shared history, as Americans, which is sadly and shamefully neglected by most of our mainstream educational institutions. I am always grateful to learn more about the Native Americans, and I for one never skip the history lesson in any of your pieces! As for the mystery you laid out in this one, I have to say that I really sympathize with Dodie, and I don't think that she had any kind of sinister hand in Paul's disappearance. I would guess that the only thing she was or is nervous about regarding current interest in Paul's disappearance is simply the stress and embarrassment of being dragged into another public debate concerning events in her personal life. Focusing on minor (and probably unintentional) discrepancies in her story and theorizing that she may be implicate in some way is a perfect example of what I imagine she wishes to avoid. My sympathies are with her 100%. As for her slow response to join the physical search for her husband, look at it from her point of view: She know that she's married to a guy who bucks the system, loves the outdoors, and does selfish things such as philandering and lying to women. In her mind, she probably figured he'd turn up soon enough after going on some kind of personal vision quest (or illicit tryst with some new lover) having no clue as to the number of people he'd worried. Why would she want to rush out into the wilderness with her horse, etc. just to hunt for a guy who's probably just having fun at other people's expense? I have dated slimy guys like that myself, so again, she has my sympathy. No, I think it's most likely that Paul was sadly murdered, by any or all of the suspects mentioned, or by persons unknown, and that that is the end of it. It's a tragic thing for everybody involved, and I hate the fact that the Park Service treated Dodie so shabbily, Sad story; good mystery; great video! And PS: NOBODY really knows how or when to use a semicolon!
This one has always stumped me, too, and no option really seems correct. That makes me think that maybe it's just some stupid, random thing. Maybe a meth head thought he was a demon and killed him, sobered up and realized what he did, got rid of the body, and never said a word. I think that many of the world's crazy mysteries might boil down to random events that we'll never know because we're coming at the situations with logic and reason.
Hey! I'm new here I just found your channel the day before yesterday and MAN! I gotta hand it to you, friend! I haven't been so inclined to binge watch every single video I can get a hold of like this since I found Mr.Ballen years ago! Lol I absolutely LOVE your channel!!! From the intro music (🤘🤘) to the way you articulate the material, so logical! So glad I found you! Have a great weekend!! ✌️✌️🤘🤘
Ehh gonna have to side with the brotherhood in this case....frankly the man sounded like an annoying douchey semi degenerate hippy. Still an interesting mystery all the same and unfortunate.
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Scammers use this is as well.
This might be my favorite case simple for the fact that our options are: "I want my husband's life insurance", to Skinwalkers, to "that mustache isn't company policy".
They "got rid of him" because of his out of regs stache hmm
If they stuck him in a part of a park that virtually never gets visited why would the mustache be a problem as the mustache was the reason he was outposted there to begin with. On the other hand if you wanted to off hem that place would be the place to do it and get rid of the body because no one ever went there.
And finally from my perspective of rebellious type personalities...once Paul's bucking the system style became pretty mundane with Bonnie and if he had become disillusioned with his isolated job whose only purpose apparently was to make sure there were always 'footprints in the sand' he may have said F it and left. Another side of this that his wife was giving him shit about his relationship with Bonnie so that meant he would be totally isolated. And add to that his co worker seeing him in the bar and being convinced enough to save his drinking cup are all compelling.
As far as there being no fingerprints on record I am not buying that one. I worked for a branch of the Federal Government back in the early 70's and one of the first things they did was fingerprint me for part of the background check. Granted I did work part time summers before that and wasn't fingerprinted. However once I became a candidate for a position of permanent employee that was the first ground rule I had to agree to and sign a release form for in order for the job application to be processed. Computers weren't around then and files were stored locally and copies were carried via courier to different offices if requested. Did someone remove his fingerprints from his file? I find that's a better possibility than them never being taken.
In essence all the information we have on this case is the equivalent of the teaser written on the back jacket of a great mystery story. Some intrigue, a lot of unanswered or unsubstantiated questions, all the suspects of a great mystery and just enough motive provided for all the suspects to keep it interesting and not much more.
I am trying to isolate two from the pack and I just cannot do it. If I absolutely had to pick one I would say Paul chose to leave because life was closing in on him and that is one aspect of life that a rebellious personality cannot tolerate unless there is some substantial reward for doing so and that does not seem to be the case here. At least there is the physical evidence of the cup to support that theory. As flimsy as it is it is the *only* something on this case to go on.
LMAO
I would like but this comment won't have 411 likes. (Missing 411)
Lol 😂
If I was working a National Park job I’d probably have a life insurance policy and a will. Wildlife and elements and plain old bad luck could take even a trained person out at any time.
Same.
But how long would it take them to declare you dead? Maybe years and years.
nah doti was after him
No cap
Sadly; the park service it littered with Favoritism and corruption.
I don't know about anybody else, but I really like the "little background history" thing you do in your videos. I hope you never quit doing them.
Yeah, it’s nice, it’s kind of like a more detailed land acknowledgment
Sometimes they're great, this one was amazing. But some are pointless. I always listen anyways
Same, the history segment is what puts this above other similar content. I always watch it with interest!
It is my favourite part of the episodes
Here here
The way Aiden is like “the realistic skinwalkers are-“ *cuts to Barbie ad*
2 weeks to start asking about death benefits is not unusual at all- I'm currently handling the probates for both my mom and my sister... It's been a rough year... And you only have a certain amount of time to get things done. I was closing my sister's accounts and inquiring about life insurance within 3 days of her death because unfortunately she lived in another state and I have to do what I can when I can. No one accused me of murder... They handled our business and that was that.
He wasn’t declared dead yet was more the issue
Scammers use data mining and using this to call their victims. 😢
right in declared dead cases lol
I’ve heard of it for missing persons too, it’s difficult to take over someone’s accounts and deal with their affairs when they just disappear so it sounds suspicious, but someone has to deal with their stuff.
condolences for you loss. Lots of strength to you and your family!
Seriously I have to say going into detail about the family structures of the chiricahua is the weirdest and most entirely disconnected nerd flex I think I have ever witnessed. Congratulations my man. I'm impressed.
Yeah, the history segment at the beginning of many of his videos is probably half the reason I watch these.
Put the extra at the end and everyone will be happy ...will that work.... while interesting I came to listen about fugate too
I got it...the gal didn't abort. She and Paul took off to raise the baby maybe ???
While I like the majority of your content, and great researching and analysis of the event covered, most of the time I don't understand why you would always cover the history of the region when said history of the region have little to do with the criminal or missing persons event you're currently covering. Like what does covering the indigenous tribes in this region you're covering have to do with the resolution at all? Was Luke ethnically a native Indian and victim of this serial killer? Was the killer a descendant of a few of these indigenous people? Were police in La Crosse descendants of said indigenous tribes? Was the drownings connected to indigenous folklore, a Cryptid, supernatural/paranormal event?
Also, IMO I found it silly and offensive that you presume the victim of this either foul play or something else, who went missing and we don't know if dead or alive, that you presume between 21:45 to 21:50 this Luke person may or may not know the history of this regions. You don't know if he knew about the history of that region, or if he didn't, and you don't know how much he cared to know. It's just silly. Also, try Delete Me? How about I try Delete You instead? Sponsored by the Grime Reaper, guaranteed warm and soft soil for a more comfy death bed experience. Limited time offer, buy now or it becomes permafrost soil! Don't wait for it to get colder!
I liked the part where he pointed out they all came from Siberia initially anyway and the whole native thing is a complete larp.
When in doubt, always blame the Feds.
The conspiracy theorist motto
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**The Feds** when In doubt, always blame.. aliens.
I think we all know by now that the feds aren’t real.
Look at what they supposedly do and then look at how none of that is ever getting done.
Feds aren’t real you guys. They’re just a myth the government came up with to keep people in line, like the boogie man or the Yule cat.
60% of the time, it works 100% of the time.
One small correction:
Vasectomy.
There are two basic types, the old and the new.
Your number of "over 99%" is accurate for *new* procedures.
The reason a new procedure had to be developed in the first place is because the initial procedure had many, many failures.
Heres why:
1. Older procedure: the vas defrens was snipped, then tied and usually cauterized.
2. New procedure: remove most of the vas defrens, then cauterized.
The reason for early reattachment was that there was far more tube still chillin in there.
When removed almost entirely, the risk goes way down.
Our bodies seen to have a tendency to find ways to repair damaged sections in amazing ways, but have a far more difficult time replace full anatomical structures.
*EDIT*: the cut ends of the vas defrens are then tied, usually in little loops, to dissuade regrowth.
Sorry, I was being called for dinner and forgot that part.
And we were having Hot Dish.
Enough said.
Also, I forgot a solid Jurassic Park quote regarding the amazing abilities of the body:
"Life..... uhhhh.. uhh, finds..... uhhh... a WAY." Dr. Goldbloom-ChaosTheory
Thank you for the broke down explanation. Always nice to learn something.
@@mollylollipops thanks for the comment, I've always been fascinated by the human body. My dad being a surgeon probably influenced that lol.
And since you stated an intret in learning, here's some wild stuff:
He's where I got a lot of info about the "old vs new" procedures.
He started practicing medicine in the early 1950s.
He had a leather Doctors Kit, his name on it in gold script. There were emergency surgery tools inside.
Remember too: penicillin, antibiotics, were NEW at this point.
But here's the crazy part:
CPR was officially being taught in 1960. There were pioneers for decades before that encouraged "external cardiac massage" or chest compressions, and in the 1920s and hence WW2, a very rudimentary version of CPR was taught to medics.
Not doctors. Medics.
Standard training when my dad was in school was basicslly:
"External cardiac massage *might * work, but if things get serious, you fall back to the gold standard of.....
INTERNAL cardiac massage."
Yep.
4"-5" incision just below the sternum.
Insert hand.
Massage heart.
Boom, there ya go, pretty easy right?
ANNND, remember how I mentioned antibiotics?
Internal cardiac massage involved a doc cutting open the chest cavity, pumping the heart, and THEN just hoping the patient didn't get an infection.
They usually did.
We're not talking in an operating theater, this was performed on kitchen tables, restaurant tables, the back of cars, etc.
My dad has a story (one of several million) where a patient was unresponsive due to carbon monoxide poisoning.
Whole family was out, and blue.
Chimney had jammed with snow.
He walks in, the tiny fire roars to life.... from the introduction of oxygen (they taught em to look for this, used ti have to be a detective too lol).
Anyways, my dad wasn't a huge fan of the whole "internal massage technique" after being in the Air Force and learning a (at that time) 20 year old technique that had way better results.
So he starts beating on the guys chest, the other doc screams at him for going crazy and *not* grabbing the patient by the heart internally, and boom.
Dude comes back.
The resr of the family did too, only dad couldn't wake up.
Another hour maybe, two at the most, all would've died.
Honestly, dad would have less time than an hour.
Something about kids having less mass surviving more than grownups with bulk? Idk, don't quote me on that one, but it does seem like it. Depending on dozens of other factors tooo....
Rambling. Sorry, I get that from him. Always love a good story.
Especially with a happy ending (that doesn't involve pocket knives and hands in chest cavities lol)
If the vas defrens are removed in this new version of a vasectomy, how is it reversible?
@@peteneblett9344 wow thank you for sharing all that with me. Seems crazy to think there was a time antibiotics were new😹but not something I think about often so😹anyway I really appreciate your time and teaching me a few more things. Really do appreciate it💟
@@phantomlovebs its reversible because the human body can grow back missing pieces easily, but nowadays its reversal success rate is pretty low
I don’t know their exact situation but my husband and I were talking about how stressful it would be if something happened to one of us. To have the pain of it on top of missing a paycheck and worrying about keeping a roof over our head during that time and that we would quickly need to pull in whatever benefits we had. If the mortgage payment was coming up and there was no savings, I'd be asking about money too. So I can see why his wife would ask for the money.
That’s why me and my girl got prenups, we buy each other stuff constantly and help each other pay stuff but I’ve seen money destroy people so….. plus when we met I was the homeless one with a minimum wage job and she was the one with a good paying job and a house, 2 cars and stuff haha I didn’t want her to think I wanted anything but love
nahhh lol she def killed him
My husband is the money (I make very good money, but less than half what he does) and earlier this year lost his job. He was already in talks for another job but becoming the “bread winner” for even a few weeks was a lot of stress I had to take on. If something happened to him I would have no idea how to keep going with bills since he’s always taken care of everything.
My wife and I have had similar conversations 😢
@@cjboyothey’re good conversations to have! being prepared for an emergency is the greatest act of love you can do for one another. you both deserve the best outcomes in life regardless of what happens and having a safety plan set up can help ensure that
I spent two weeks in the Chiracuahua park while I worked with the Park Service over the summer one year. I stayed at rhe cabin he stayed at, and I'm prety sure I walked the trail he disappeared on. It's a very hard trail to disappear from. Wide open, with a sparse amount of trees, lots of signs and markers. It's also right by the highway through the mountains. This case has stayed with me since then. Thank you for covering this
Tbh the regional history part is usually my favorite part of the video. Always super interesting and beneficial context to the story.
The missing fingerprints seem like a huge clue. Either Paul somehow got rid of them before he left to start a new life OR the NPS got rid of them so if a body was found he couldn't be identified as Paul because they either ended him or they didn't want to pay his wife his benefits.
If a body was found, they could still identify him with dental records.
@@Daughter_ofStars Do we know if there are dental records for Paul? I would have assumed they had his fingerprints so I'm not going to assume anything about dental records.
@@Mreffs101 dental records can be identified by using privately owned dentistry businesses, not national services so there is no way to hide them unless he never saw a dentist in his life
@@shehreentariq7308 And he may not have ever gone to a dentist or it may have been when he was so young there are no records showing his adult teeth.. But also consider he went missing before those records would be on any database. If someone wanted him gone, meaning the government, they could have had the records destroyed.
@shehreentariq7308 he would of needed to be an adult when he visited, and would of only ever gotten dentistry done at one dentist. If he had a bunch of dental work done in Mexico but his last xray was in AZ it not likely that they would of captured the work.
I think the government probably threw out his finger prints when he was fired and gone for 5yrs, then when they were forced 5o hire him back they were like we have all this already. No need.
I’m glad you set the record straight about skinwalkers. Drives me crazy hearing people misuse the term.
They aren't real so who cares
@@confusedbadger6275because its a belief and the guy in the vid literally said there are practicing skin walkers. yeah they probably dont change, but the belief and history is real
Your history segments are really fun to listen to, don't let any haters convince you to abandon them to appease their short attention spans.
the thing is it goes off point most the time hes gotten better but its stil rough a year ago he talked about the serria mountain tapes and bigfoot, started by discusing the tapes and how he has opinions deep dived a bit talked about feral people and how he has opinions but first lets discuss what bigfoot is, then he went on this 30 minute rant about bigfoot and Roosevelt never even went back to the actaul point of the video lol
thats the problem if hes going to say all this information he needs to make them longer so he can stay on the actual point save the history crap for the end
Um, you may not know this but jumping head first into rabbit hole after rabbit hole and taking a right onto every exit you see at 100 miles an hour is the actual embodiment of a short attention span run rampant.
That part sucked, rest of the video was good tho
Being a known enemy of any "organized group of prisoners" IN PRISON is very, very, bad.
Yea, not a place to be.
Yeah it pretty much means youre a high ranking or well known member of another racial group of prison gangs😂 Pretty much all prison gangs are racial and enemies with every other gang
Yeah, best to be a non entity to people like that. This creator didn't think his statement through. Cheers
The Aryan Brotherhood was a “gang” founded in San Quentin prison and was comprised of white and Native Americans. Not all of its Members held anti black sentiment, not did they all hate Jews. It was a form of group survival behavior among prisoners. What Aryan means to the members of the gang is not for us to assume but for individual members and their actions to define. And what we think when we hear Aryan Brotherhood doesn’t mean the same thing as it did back then. It is, after all, a sociological invention
@@FirstthunderI can't find any evidence of Native American participation in any Aryan gangs. The one from sam quentin /had/ a high ranking member who grew up on a reservation but he was white and doesn't claim to have native parents. I can only find one singular person from the 30's who was ever both Native and a Nazi.
Ive camped at Chiricahua, on the eastern side of the park. I remember it being very quiet and still, despite the abundant wildlife making noise. Finally, a lore lodge video featuring a place ive camped.
I live close by in a cabin on another mountain, camped and hiked there countless times. I can see the park from where i sit at my desk. One of the best parts of this area is the lack of light pollution and all the amazing 'sky drama' that happens, from amazing sunrises, sunsets, being above the clouds, to the night sky, so many visible stars that make constellations hard to find.
I can see spectacular Starlink launches out of Vandenburg from here, and when they deploy the satellites it's quite the light show. Every clear night is a meteor shower.
In the summer months i like to sleep outside, i have a futon set up on a tall rock outcropping overlooking everything, but i usually end up awake all night just watching the sky.
I grew up in Indiana ( still here too) but my grandparents and Aunt, Uncle and all my cousins lived in Cochise AZ. We'd go there every year on vacation and we'd go to those mountains. I'm 42 now and I remember in 1991 when we went, I felt creeped out, I did not like going into those mountains, I swear I always felt like something was watching us. Love your work ❤️
I don't think anyone really believed you were talking about the kind of stage hypnosis where you'd be put in a trance & made to cluck like a chicken, but thank you for clarifying nonetheless
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Since it all falls into that category of weird-bullshit, I'll claim sufficient inexpierence to wonder if it was stupid and silly.
I commented the other day that I love the history parts of these videos and I just wanna say that again. I was never taught Native American or indigenous peoples history, so all of these little history lessons about their history is amazing. So again, thank you.
In Dodie's defence, grief can make you do some very strange things. I have a family member who straight up made things up about another's life and death-I will say that person who did so is not a good or very stable person, and I strongly disagree with the fact they do it, but I also understand why.
My grandmother always made things up. I think she actually believed her stories. Maybe she was just filling in the gaps of her memories. She didn't have dementia or anything. She wasn't even particularly old when I realized she did this.
But like - major things or small details that don't matter? Just curious, some family members kinda 'cooked up' things about what a now dead uncle did and didn't do. I knew said uncle far better than they did, and know for a fact that a lot of it didn't or couldn't have happened. Like, he wasn't in the same country as them at the time, but I was. He could have cooked up parts of it himself while alive, he was a bullshitter at times, but I doubt all of it. At any rate, I was there and know what did and didn't happen. But the end result is we don't talk about said uncle. Yay for that kind of junk.
At 1:08:00, Two things. 1. Most trucks before 1980 could only seat 3 adults' on the bench seat, the fourth man would need to be in the bed of the truck, hidden from view by the camper shell/cap. 2. Revolvers were still fairly popular among criminals in the late 70's (Saturday night specials), and a revolver would not leave shell casings on the ground.
A couple of my friends have trucks you call them but we call them Utes from America with the three cab and I've seen them squish four people in it's tight and they were all men. You can do it. It depends on the size of the guys. You get the biggest ones at the doors and you get the smallest guys in the middle. It's squishy but you can do it. And the funniest thing is that the American cars have more room even back in that model than the Aussie ones. So yeah you can squish them in. Don't think it'll be comfortable.
@@ditta7865 That is definitely a possibility. I think its unlikely though as with the bed being covered, why would an American man squish his nads when it wasnt necessary. Also with a sliding window between the cab and camper, it would allow the person in the bed to have a position of control over the person in the middle of the seat. I am just speculating though. Anything could have happened.
Both Ford and Dodge had extended cab trucks since 73-74ish. But I'd had this thot too when he started talking about the 4th man. But one could have been left behind or met up with later too.
The history sections are always amazing! About half way through the history sections I always forget what video I’m actually watching because I’m so interested in the history. Keep up the great work!!
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With regards to the sketchy activities Dodie referred to at the ranch, I would point out the time Paul disappeared was the same time people started "cooking" meth. It was DANGEROUS in rural areas back then...you never knew where someone had a lab, and where officials were in on it.
that's actually a solid possibility, some other rangers higher ranked than Paul started in on the meth trade, doing deals in the park away from police and under their control, and Paul found out somehow, and then knowing his readiness to lawyer up thought that it would be much easier to have some of their associates (youngfist and David) bump him off in the park to make it look like a disappearance. they didn't want to have his body found so they wouldn't have to pay his widow who coincidentally was the only person to mention suspicious characters and potentially sent the letter about narcotics. the rangers could also have destroyed any record of Paul's fingerprints so that even if his body was found, no one could prove it was him.
Dunno why people wouldn't be interested in your local history segments. They're fascinating. The regular content is decent too.
Right, I love the history parts that's what makes it a Lore Lodge video lol
Fr. Nattive history is so unknown and unappreciated, I like that he's breaking the habit of looking at history through A European lens
Because they’re not remotely connected to or related to the subject of the video. Interesting? Maybe. Related? Not at all. I always skip it because I’m interested only in the advertised video subject.
I like them more when the Native American lore or whatever is connected to the mystery. Sometimes I skip them and sometimes I listen.
@@prowlprime they are directly connected to the videos as they pertain to knowledge and lore/folklore and history for the region the subject matter occurs in. Not just to pad out the time for the video but to provide otherwise obscure details that while considered to be mainly fictional it could grant credibility to the stories
As someone who has lived in Tucson my entire life (and was actually a few weeks old at the time of his disappearance) I can say that I don't find a single 1 of these theories as not having enough basis in fact to be discounted. And there are so many more possible theories that could easily be thrown in.
You've mentioned that people can skip ahead 10-15 minutes or so, but would you consider adding timestamps? Like Intro, History, Missing Person?
You could even break down the case into parts, like disappearance background, initial investigation, your investigation, and final thought or something like that.
I watch the whole video, but with over an hour to watch, sometimes I have to leave, and then can have a hard time finding where I was.
Same! Sometimes even switching tabs will make them reload on my browser, and the video will start from the beginning again. Trying to figure out where I was is so frustrating 😂
We usually do, it was just missed on this one. I’ll fix it after my stream!
as an arizonan, thanks for going so in depth into the indigenous tribes and and really doing your homework. everything you said is spot on, not many people dive into the cultures and historical context to that extent. excellent video 🤘🔥
You, Missing Enigma, and That Chapter all drop in a few hours of each other! Happy Friday!
I watch all of those too!
I really do got to give Missing Enigma credit, while I still do in many ways likely will always appreciate and admire David Paulides and I do believe there is some validity to his work absolutely....its guys like the Missing Enigma though who have done genuine thorough deep research and essentially proven on more then one instance basically one of two options....#1 David Paulides is not as thorough or good at research and data collecting as many are led to believe- I dont believe that for a second....or #2 He has not always not always but on more then one occasion/case deliberately omitted relevant details from some- not all- some/certain cases, and that is really a darn shame and only invited just skepticism and scrutiny ya know, perfect example is the Aaron hedges case it doesn't take a brain surgeon flying a rocket ship to realize his "friends" are neck deep and sketchy as hell as the literal Police reports un redacted parts even blatantly demonstrate. That being said I Believe in God I believe the world and all things on it and outside of it were created, I believe there are angels and demonic entities and I believe some of those types of things and other phenomena absolutely exist and in some instances could possibly be a reason for certain cases/disappearances/ unexplained deaths and etc. etc.
3 of my favorite channels !
The Park Service angle makes no sense based on the evidence presented.
The only way I could see them being involved is if someone in the NPS was covering for / complicit in drug growing 9r smuggling and he found out about it.
But if there are other drug related connections, they seem like the obvious choice.
Boys on the tracks style. Dude asked for his cut and got disappeared.
It's basically No Country for Old Men, he is Llewelyn Moss - he could even have decided to disappear, and take a stash (money or weed/coke) from a half-way stash house he knew was there...
And in spectacularly bad timing, got caught and killed, or...made it (and the whole truck story wasn't true/wasn't him).
I do find the suggestion that 'all the drugs went east' means that nobody would have...thought of using the quiet west route... to be laughable. It's so insanely obvious to try a quieter and unknown route if it's become widely-known where drugs are being run.
Meth cooking was starting to become a thing. He saw something he shouldn't and was made to vanish. The alternative to me is that he fled his crumbling life. Fleeing into Mexico or possibly fleeing to a bordering state. Seeing how it was incredibly easy to fall off the map at that point in time.
Really great presentation. You have the rare talent for story telling. Thanks for all your research and for sharing this story.
I adore the fact you gave us that history lesson at the start. I’m not from the USA so I only know little bits but that was awesome 💜🤙🏻
Take that history with a small no tiny grain of salt....the USA lies about history they still say CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS DISCOVERED AMERICA....LOL...WE ALL KNOW BETTER NOW...BLACKS WERE ALREADY HERE BEFORE ALL RACES... 💯% ABSOLUTE TRUTH....PBP....POINT BLANK PERIOD
Your videos are like college level history classes. Very informative and appreciated.
00:01 seconds in and I already know the answer is yes.
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I've lived in AZ all my life, and the Chiricahua National Monument is one of my favorite places to visit. It's truly beautiful, if anyone ever has the chance to go there, I highly encourage it. But maybe stick with a buddy while you're there.
The title of these vids is going to get Aidan murdered by the national parks service hitmen😂
Considering Aiden’s history with the National Park Service, video titles are prolly the least of his worries lol
@@undercookedtoast1479 wym?
@@mjm5899 bro is very persistent when it comes to looking for info on cases and the national parks service is very persistent in being obtuse and shady with said info. Aiden has expressed his distain for the NPS in almost every vid i watch from him, and when he isn’t he’s shitting on local/federal law enforcement.
I gotta say I commend your efforts on your videos. You even make it easy to sift thru the parts your viewers might find disinteresting. The amount of consideration put into your work is appreciated.
My friend and co-worker has recommended this channel many times and I perfectly see why!!👍👍
I'm so impressed with all of the background that you put into all of your videos, and it's why I'm always clicking on your videos as soon as I see a new one! Great job as always guys!
Wow Ive been to Chiricahua before. Its a gorgeous and quiet park. Wouldn't imagine this kind of event happening there.
The idea of Dodie using a semicolon is on it's surface very damning. But countless numbers of people would have seen her letters. And they would have been as aware as most people should be that this is a rather odd way to use punctuation. So if someone wanted to make her look involved, using a semicolon in a letter would be an easy way to do it.
i absolutely love how in-depth you guys look into cases!
By the time we got back to Paul, I forgot it was about Paul. I was really absorbed into the story about the natives.
I'm so impressed by the professionalism, thorough research and just damn engaging content of this channel. Please keep up the great work!
Question. If that guy intentionally flew his private plane to Mexico, couldn't he have flown Paul's body to Mexico and had it buried there? As anyone every checked with Mexico authorities to see if there were any John Doe's matching Paul's description found around that time or since?
It's possible Mexican authorities were paid off upon landing.
Thank you for always being thorough, transparent, and fair! I also really like the history section. I'm learning a lot more!
I can confirm the scam calls in PA. we got one. we couldn't understand a damn word the lady said but it didn't sit right. it was something like "hey we need to talk to you about your electric bill." We did not return the call.
You probably won't see this comment. But I actually really appreciate the opening History segments in the beginning of the videos. I find them very interesting, and always informative.
I just wanna say thank you for the content! I love seeing new lore lodge pop up.
You know what's crazy....I live in Wisconsin and I was born in 1982. Before having me my father went down to Arizona for a few years to avoid a warrant in Wisconsin. So he was in Arizona during this time period and then moved back to Wisconsin and met and married my mom by September 1982. His name is David. Bumbumbum
Holy shit haha Is he under an assumed name now?
You forgot one bum..
Imagine suing your employer for five years to get your job back... Like what do you wear for your first day back? Do you fist bump your colleagues like nothing happened? I mean how??
The fact that the last apache raid in the us happened in the 1920s is wild to me that was literally a century ago only 2 generations away really
Both the Indian wars and what we think of as the “old west” (including Indian conflicts) didn’t really end until the early 1910’s. With “old west” style events (again, like Indian wars/raids for example) happening sporadically for like two decades after. I wrote a whole ass mini essay on it that I could post if you’re interested.
The Apache Wars didn't end until 1925. Even on reservations, a lot of tribes have a degree of autonomy due to their status as essentially protecterates. For two examples within a generation of the end of the Apache Wars, the Iroquois declared war on Germany during World War One, never signed a treaty with them, and then picked up where they left off in World War Two. Just prior to the US' entry into World War Two, Joseph Goebbels declared the Lakota to be Aryans because Western novels were very popular in Germany during that era and Goebbels was huge into that genre. The Lakota in turn were so offended by this declaration that they immediately declared war on the Nazis.
Cochise is my grandpa's nickname for one of my kids. Geronimo is his nickname for the other. Papa loves his westerns.
3rd guy could have been in the trucks camper cap. In the seventies people rode in those things all the time. I'd lean towards him skipping town. While random violence is a possibility, I don't think it was drug related - not over weed in the 70's. Now, if his weed trips had changed into cocaine trips, all bets are off.
Marijuana possession was a class A felony in the seventies so, yes; someone who didn't want anyone to see a large buy going down (and was not a good person to begin with) may want to eliminate the witness.
Yup, that's a big, fat, honking, serious trouble over weed was possible in the 70's. It didn't have to be criminally prosecuted. Even a high school student caught with a joint would be ostracized by the entire school, because everyone knew he would turn rat to get out of the charge.
Weed could get you into the same trouble possessing a high-grade narcotic would. So yes, fucking with someone who was growing weed in the 70s or 80s could get you killed.
As someone from Fort Worth, I feel crazy that I’ve never heard of this guy. Feels like someone, especially in the nature/hiker community, I should know about
it's always been weird to me how whenever someone goes missing, the elements always try to shaft the explorers trying to find em/ their chances of survival
See, the part you're missing is that was going to happen anyways. Yes, Mother nature IS trying to kill you.
Very weird but very common.
@@toddaulner5393 ye! exactly. Like das either some really fucked luck/unfortunate places to go missing in/some seriously conspiratorial shit
@@TheHellhound01because that's generally the reason they stay missing. if you don't get shafted by the elements, and foul play isn't involved, most people aren't gonna stay missing.
bro good on you for being so thorough and non partial. these vids end up being entertaining
Idk why people think you can continuously have sex with a person and not gain an emotional connection.
The "playa" type tend not to
Why not its beter no drama no nothing i just turn 40 live alone for 23 years and would not want too change that ever
@@Samanta-van-laarindeed! But I dont have sex wirh same person always and dont let em sleepover spend time etc...😊
@@Samanta-van-laarsorry for your childhood trauma
Ask men.
Love this channel!! You guys are gonna have millions of followers one day!! The amount of research, detail and care put into the stories is top notch. The Lore Lodge is awesome 🎉
As usual I dont actually have any stories to tell
I have only been in FDR national park and I dont think that I have been murdered
Oh you poor thing.
Don’t worry, sometimes it takes ghosts a while to realize they aren’t alive anymore.
It’s perfectly normal to not realize you got gotted.
Poor guy
Killed by FDR himself and he doesn't even know it
Are you sure????
Generally speaking, you become a known enemy of the AB by crossing them while doing business with them. Not saying there has never been and anti-fascist who attacked, or otherwise worked against the AB, who became a known enemy that way. Dude wasn't a cop or fed either. So he likely was conducting business with them and either screwed them over, or took off while being extorted.
Not to talk ill of the dead, but the fact Paul told Bonnie he’d had a vasectomy, which was not true obviously as his wife knew nothing about that, makes me think he told her that so he could… ya know…. He literally lied so he could finish where he wanted…in a 19-year-old. I am really giving that the side-eye. Absolutely gross of him.
yea honestly he sounded very skeevy
Back then vasectomies weren't as successful, but I still wouldn't be in the least bit surprised about a guy lying for sexual gain tbh
But a vasectomy doesn't stop you from ejaculating, theres just no sperm in it. The only thing that would change is that he wouldnt have had to worry about getting someone pregnant. Unless he had some kinda breeding kink, faking a vasectomy is the stupidest thing possible
@@bloodyneptune I think you misunderstood my comment. I wasn’t implying it makes him unable to finish 😆 Plenty of guys like to finish inside and/or don’t want to wear a condom…Doesn’t require a breeding kink whatsoever. Why else would you lie about a vasectomy other than to convince the person you’re sleeping with to let you do that? It makes plenty of sense. Woman does not want to get pregnant so she makes him wear a condom and/or does not let him finish inside of her. He says “don’t worry I got a vasectomy!” so she lets him. Very simple
Huge load
Judging by his CHARACTER, and the insane amount of seedy people surrounding this case, it's almost a certainty he was smuggling drugs in from Mexico, or growing vast sums of weed in the wilderness.
A normal & law abiding Park Ranger, who went missing, would NEVER wind-up with a case like this.
Consequently, the probability is VERY HIGH he was murdered by his associates or a business partner.
I am 100% certain it was either related to drugs or his marriage.
Zero chance he got lost, or left intentionally.
Wow, you should call somebody, since you're 100% sure and everything. I didn't know that was possible considering you don't have any physical evidence or even any witness testimony but
Hey man, you solved it
You're probably right, but it could also be something depressingly more mundane. Maybe there were worse money issues at home than the wife let on and he was stressed about it and went off to die in the woods. Heck, maybe he fell into a portal and everything else is sheer coincidence.
It's possible he got killed for his hand in potential drug dealing or saw something related that got him killed. Although I personally lean toward the guy fleeing his life upon everything crumbling rapidly, or as DieViet said, he probably just went into the mountains to dome himself so those he left behind at least got some cash to pick up the pieces of their lives.
@@DieViet By the sounds of his erradict behavior It's sadly likely he fled into the mountains or desert and just domed himself.
41:35
No, polygraphs are very accurate. Everything they measure, is measured precisely.
They're just bad Lie Detectors.
Well said.
New listener here. Not only is this story concise and compelling, the history section was really cool and unique! Time to binge watch your channel lol
About the bank account(s)--It wasn't until the early 2000's-ish--by Federal regulations two different banks that carried the same name (say, Bank of America) were mostly not "branches," they may have been owned by the same corp but could not share accounts back and forth. You had to establish new accounts. If you had an account in one city, you had to establish the new account if you wanted an account in another city. This regulation may have dated back to the "new" bank regulations under FDR.
Yes, thank you.
Indeed. If you aren't old enough to have had to deal with banks back in the "olden days" before things like ATMs, you probably don't understand just how difficult it often was. Everything from "bankers hours" where they'd only be open from 10-2 some days, to every branch being treated as an independent entity, to having to write a check made out to "CASH" at the grocery store to get money, to savings accounts where the number printed in a passbook determined how much money was in your account. It was a different world.
Love your vids man, the history segment, and the investigation.
I feel like murder is kind of drastic for being seen as an annoying employee, but I guess there have been weirder motivations.
I'm also not super suspicious of the shirt mix-up, because if she left it out for like 30 years, she'd probably still need to wash it from getting dusty or something and by that point it might be performative even if she did originally do it for grieving after so long, but buying it when she got paranoid about her government money getting taken away would also fit the timeline.
Looks like it's time to chalk it up to (makes exaggerated shrugging gesture).
Prob something to do with drugs like almost every murder in those times
@@gisbe5947Prob something to do with Hillary Clinton like almost every murder in those times
Thanks for what you do! Informative and entertaining!
You mentioned no shell casings. Revolver doesn’t leave brass behind. In 1980s revolvers were still very popular.
Love this channel. Thank you for providing this awesome channel.
the pepper feast sounds legit and delicious
Great video, as usual. It has been such a pleasure watching this channel grow!
My now husband actually figured out I was pregnant before I told him. Maybe he figured it out...afterall she said she had, by that time, missed two periods.
one small note on the will and letter and life insurance
Most of my family (and we're a BIG family, to give an idea of scale, I have just shy of 300 first cousins - I'm also a Gen Xer with Boomer parents to give an idea of the ages involved) have living wills, life insurance and have 'okay if we die, this is what you should do' that are almost identical to what you described. None were written because we feared something was about to happen or because any of us were suicidal, but simply because there were family members who died unexpectedly when my Nana was young and then again when my Dad and his siblings were young... and my Mom's dad was a lawyer and suggested it
Even outside of my family, I know more people who have Living Wills and 'what to do if I die' letters than I know those without.
Not saying that has to be the case here, just wanted to put forward that it might be something like myself and my kith and kin rather than something nefarious
Yeah it was more the wording and timing of his will that made me suspicious.
The puppy was such an unexpected transition. I flinched. I'm way too invested and it's like 4am now. Time for bed. 😂
Why at 0:26 Paul looks like he fell into the fountain of youth then became a youtuber
I appreciate the sheer emphasis with which you pronounce Chiricahua.
I always look forward to a new video from you!!!!
I was just wondering when the new video is going to drop and here it is) thank you Aidan and Aidan for always bringing us top tear content
29:43 There's some "creepy old man" elements to this case. Sure all involved parties are adults, but you just knew some madness like this results.
I love this channel. Your delivery of the facts is great
The range for the history segment is growing.
Hey man I absolutely love these bit's about native American history that you do before the videos, literally one of the best researched and presented native American content on youtube. I would love it if you did a video just about the different tribes, or even just collated some of the context history from your other videos into a video just about the different nations and tribal goups. As a non American I forget the names and different regions. Anyway love your work mate!
When I was a kid I lived in Cochise County. Had no clue it was named after an Apache chief. That's awesome!!
Thank you for doing that history of the region segment. I am mescalero apache and this is the first time I have heard a causal mention of my band; Outside of something discussing the mescalero apache people directly. Thanks, that was cool.
Just wanted to jump in and say, you guys do a great job. I also appreciate your dedication to the history of the land.
Thanks and “keep on keeping on”
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I like the way you present the early history of the area before the case you will be discussing. And the early history of the Apache is very relevant to the area of Chirachaua National monument.
It sounds like maybe Paul had some terminal/debilitating illness, and, as an active guy who loved the outdoors, he wanted to go out on his own terms.
The skinwalker bit from you is what really got my attention. I love you brought up the false Tiktok idea of the legend. Def following you for that, and the amazing content
The main reason the “Apache” didn’t see themselves as a solidified nation is because there is no such thing as the Apache.
“Apache” or as some pronounced it “A(h)-Pa-Che” was, and I wish I could remember which, either the Ute or Hopi word for “enemy”. The Apache did not call themselves that, and the reason it’s so hard to nail down a solid history is because any group or tribe that was the enemy of either the Ute or Hopi (again, can’t remember who’s word it is), would have been called “Apache”. The US adopted the word because that’s what our allies told us they were called. No joke, that’s the reason we know the word.
See “Apache” was any tribe that was an enemy. Therefore, Apache was not one nation, but many, even Navajo living to the northern part of the 4 corners were called Apache. Basically, everyone who was not our friend (either Ute or Hopi) was an Apache.
This dimwit in the video had the nerve to cite a Spanish explorer to claim we are blood drinkers when we run out of water. 😂😂
Hello; I really appreciate all the hard work you put in before presenting these videos, and this is an especially good one! Thank you for that! My favorite part of any of your videos is the historical framework that you elucidate before launching into the narrative. I appreciate the Native American histories the most, because that is a vital area of our shared history, as Americans, which is sadly and shamefully neglected by most of our mainstream educational institutions. I am always grateful to learn more about the Native Americans, and I for one never skip the history lesson in any of your pieces!
As for the mystery you laid out in this one, I have to say that I really sympathize with Dodie, and I don't think that she had any kind of sinister hand in Paul's disappearance. I would guess that the only thing she was or is nervous about regarding current interest in Paul's disappearance is simply the stress and embarrassment of being dragged into another public debate concerning events in her personal life. Focusing on minor (and probably unintentional) discrepancies in her story and theorizing that she may be implicate in some way is a perfect example of what I imagine she wishes to avoid. My sympathies are with her 100%.
As for her slow response to join the physical search for her husband, look at it from her point of view: She know that she's married to a guy who bucks the system, loves the outdoors, and does selfish things such as philandering and lying to women. In her mind, she probably figured he'd turn up soon enough after going on some kind of personal vision quest (or illicit tryst with some new lover) having no clue as to the number of people he'd worried. Why would she want to rush out into the wilderness with her horse, etc. just to hunt for a guy who's probably just having fun at other people's expense? I have dated slimy guys like that myself, so again, she has my sympathy.
No, I think it's most likely that Paul was sadly murdered, by any or all of the suspects mentioned, or by persons unknown, and that that is the end of it. It's a tragic thing for everybody involved, and I hate the fact that the Park Service treated Dodie so shabbily,
Sad story; good mystery; great video! And PS: NOBODY really knows how or when to use a semicolon!
Trolls and haters came hard in this comment section. Side effect of success. Wonderful job yet again guys, always entertaining and informative!
I love how your dog ended up in your lap. Awesome video!
This one has always stumped me, too, and no option really seems correct. That makes me think that maybe it's just some stupid, random thing. Maybe a meth head thought he was a demon and killed him, sobered up and realized what he did, got rid of the body, and never said a word. I think that many of the world's crazy mysteries might boil down to random events that we'll never know because we're coming at the situations with logic and reason.
yeah unsolved mysteries.... sometimes suddenly make sense when you find that one missing piece of information.
Hey! I'm new here I just found your channel the day before yesterday and MAN! I gotta hand it to you, friend! I haven't been so inclined to binge watch every single video I can get a hold of like this since I found Mr.Ballen years ago! Lol I absolutely LOVE your channel!!! From the intro music (🤘🤘) to the way you articulate the material, so logical! So glad I found you! Have a great weekend!! ✌️✌️🤘🤘
Where can I go to sell my information to the highest bidder myself before someone else doss it?
real
I love your videos, especially the history!! I’m so glad I stumbled upon this!
1980 seems so much more recent to me than 1971, even though it’s only 9 years difference. Weird how the brain works sometimes. At least my brain lol
"He was a known enemy of the Aryan Brotherhood"
Based
Ehh gonna have to side with the brotherhood in this case....frankly the man sounded like an annoying douchey semi degenerate hippy. Still an interesting mystery all the same and unfortunate.
What?