and have formed friendships that have moved from the virtual to the "real world." SL is not for everyone -- but for those of us who have connected socially both in SL & RL and are creating two way streams of art in both worlds, SL has proven to be one of the most creative, inspiring and exciting environments for artists to explore, experiment, share and learn. Additionally, several universities and various learning institutions are using SL for teaching/training... (continued)
Ive been a "resident" of Second Life for over a year. I came into Second Life because I'd heard that Suzanne Vega performed live in SL and I was interested in the potential of a virtual venue for some musicians I work with. One of the first people I met is a professor of philosophy at a Boston university. He had purchased a sim to provide space for artists and invited me to set up a studio and since then, I've had the most wonderful creative collaborative experiences beyond....(continued)
The content in SL is created by the residents whose varied interests range from RP sims that run the gamut from ancient history (Rome, Medieval) to the fantastical and future. And yes, there are the adult themed sims that people seem to think solely populate SL but that is not the case. There countless sims that host galleries, museums, historical reproductions, entertainment venues, cultural events, workshops and machinima theatres. And yes, there are shopping malls. (continued)
The difference between Blizzard and Linden Labs is that the former only took a preexisting genre, applied their own franchise on it and cut off the corners to make it more casual-gamer friendly while the latter created something completely different and new (which is part of the reason it has so many flaws, the whole concept is borderline insane considering the amount of data involved)
I think it's got a ton of great possibilities. He said the graphics were poor compared to games as the focus was much broader. I'd like to see an all access university built in there. Or maybe a mini TED conference.
...what I could imagine. I've directed and participated in three multi-artist collaborative "conceptual" art exhibitions featuring artists from around the world. Without substantial funding the likes of which would equal that to fund a major metropolitan museum exhibition, projects like this in "real life" would be nearly impossible to orchestrate, let alone the art that was created that defies the laws of physics. I've had the joy of working with artists from around the world... (continued)
as are corporations. Manpower, one of the largest employment recruiting agencies in the world set up shop SL. There is an enormous pool of talent, not just visual artists but designers, scripters (programmers), as well as performing artists. There are many groups for as varied interests as there are people, including support groups for people with various challenges. Fundraisers in SL have raised thousands of dollars for numerous charities and causes. (continued)
kurtilein3: to put it a bit more complicated: Oh yes, you do need to. Or at least, you need the raw computation power to be able to do it, even if you use it for other purposes. Like physics simulations in semi-instanced areas, object destructibility, real time translation and voice/sound synthesis, simulation of the sensory input like touch, smell, temperature & moisture of objects. And of course, NPC AI, they don't need to pass a Turing test, but they would have to be far better than today.
likely you'll be using VR worlds/environments like Second Life a much a you now use your cell phones, iPods and the net in general. To see what people around the world can do in SL when they come together in a collaborative environment, take look at one of our multi-artist collaborations at Caerleon Isle in SL that's posted in my profile.
connect and exchange ideas and socialize and create? Give the guy his bragging rights. It's pretty awesome when you think about it. It's amazing that it even works at all when you realize there have been millions of subscribers and an average of 250K people logging in each day. And as the open source VR simulation technology continues to develop, you will see a lot more virtual worlds like SL coming online and it's... (continued)
social networking environment built on a game platform with an e-commerce twist. It's really like nothing else out there. For all it's faults, and it definitely has them, Second Life is still the best "non" game in town. And as for Philip Rosedale's enthusiastic presentation on TED, well, he does look like he's channeling Ryan Seacrest but can you blame the guy for being so passionate about something he built from the ground up that is changing how people interact and... (continued)
I'd argue that it's TED worthy, but yeah I'd also have to agree that the Blizzard team would be just as qualified considering how they've changed their genre and their fiscal success (or how about Richard Garrett or Mayimoto? That makes more sense than anything in light of this vid). Although Second Life practically died a long time ago... sad how long TED takes getting these up sometimes, like after something has died (figuratively; one can still log in and see what once was... bleh).
lihinel: i still disagree. most of the things you describe can be done by the community, can be implemented as user-generated content. the server only needs to provide a 3-dimensional map and textures for you to get voice/sound synthesis, acoustic mapping, dynamic lighting, better physics engines can be implemented locally by commited users, ... all of this can be done today. no problem. it will be good enough. you would need a far better computer at home, if you want more.
I actually like like your comparison of SL to IRC+Lego. And you are right, quality is independant from popularity. That means something can be both, or neither. I argue WoW is both because it has good graphics, interesting economy, addicting gameplay, and an expanding community. I also argue that SL has little of each, since it has crappy graphics, probably a better economy and similar addiction, but a shrinking community. Also,1 more thing
You gotta find a good community in SL. It's just most people tend to not realize how big the game is and are generally too lazy to find a good community ingame. I found several fun places with great people. And about the "walking like a robot" part, there's Animation Overiders you can get for cheap that makes your walking, running, jumping, etc. animation differently and more realistic. I hate when people bash on this game when they barely game it a chance.
And if their only claim to fame is "creativity in an MMO", look back at the old houses of early Ultima Online. People went out of their way to use the engine's item stacking to build all sorts of crazy creative things in their home. For some reason aquariums were common, usually made from various cloths stacked on top of one another and then fish added on that, giving the illusion of fish. Granted, it wasn't planned, but it did exist.
And SL was sooo a game: the only elements one could say were not game-like were the advertisements, which were statistically worse than any other form of advertisement in modern times. That and it was tied to real money and there wasn't a main goal (sandbox play/virtual 3D chatroom), and there were other MMOs that beat them to that, too (Project Entropia comes to mind).
Actually, TED stands for TechnologyEntertainmentDesign, or something like that, not improving the world, or a person's life for that matter, though in principle the two can go hand in hand.
maybe the lag maybe the graphics, but SL RULES theres nothing else quite like it. Unlimited possibilities, you can be anything you can make anything. It's virtually amazing. If you don't see THAT then your the fucktard lol This man=Pure Genius me and my best friend stay connected every day through SL. I live in New york and he lives in Austrailia.
Actually, a thought just occurred to me: a "3D eCommerce platform" is the oldest living system in the world. I like to call it "reality". Believe it or not, in your town or one close by there is a place called a "mall" where they put various 3D shops in one place for people to browse and buy things with either cash or credit card (not many accept PayPal though, which might seem strange to some shoppers...). Yeah, I'm being a sarcastic bastard now ^.^
right truthi, I tried second life it was fun but, I couldn't even consider actually spending real money in a virtual 3D environment just seems kind of dim. I use the internet as a whole to research products find the best price and order through secure channels. Turning shopping into a video game doesn't really appeal to people who like their real life. But I guess there are people who want to go to a virtual store so they can have more time with their vr girlfriend maybe raise some VR kids.
I have been looking all over for good videos to describe to friends what sl is about. There are way to may videos about trolling griefing and pragencies in sl.
i can definately see the benefits in something like this, especially for medical purposes, training, or even simulating life experiences. i just thought it was funny that you said you are looking forward to a more realistic version of 2nd life, which, at its pinnacle, would still pale in comparison to real life. i really think you should stop waiting for second life, because as far as entertainment value goes, the prequel is way better.
All nice and well, but sadly it seems to be not much more than a 3D chatroom with some neat features and community created content at the momment. Though I guess it'll really be interesting as soon as the technologies get a couple thousand to million times more powerful. So 15-25 years it is? Oh and: AR + Foglets > VR
Because popularity clearly is the same as quality, that's why fast food is the best food known to mankind. Like you said, games like Ultima online had intricate housing systems, other MMOs have at least similar stuff (EQ2 for example, where a whole profession exists to create more or less useless furniture). WoW...not so much. SL just isn't a game. The way I always describe it is IRC+LEGO. Many have tried to imitate it but they forget the second part and end up with unpopular 3D chat rooms.
The whole "social networking" aspect of games like SL, WoW, Warhammer and all the others is just a copout for people who don't want to socialize in person. The games give people a way of getting around their insecurities whether they are physical or social, real or perceived, and only help them hide from dealing with their own problems. Hiding behind an avatar and conversing in a dynamic chat room isn't a healthy way to spend the majority of your time.
But if you want to support people's creativity then why is the land so overly expensive to the point it's almost impossible to get make it more affordable
....thats not the point The fact is that I would want to do things in a virtual world not possible in reality, but it would have such good graphics that it would mimic reality very closely.
Actually, I'd concur with the past-tense form of that fragment: "idiots invaded the internet long ago" Otherwise, you're just bringing up an issue of semantics.
I was an underage second life player. I played a kid avi on adult second life. Oh I loved it. Best Game EVER Honestly, i mean, whoa! You can get everything on that game. Its litteraly addicting. I got banned too many times...now my ip is banned from SL, and im litteraly the saddest person ever :(
that's the notion, however this is driven by people who don't bother remembering their dreams. If they were aware they could go on nightly voyages through the galaxies they wouldn't bother with this stuff.
Smooth talker but he's after your money when you're inworld. It is NOT the beautiful world he's announcing constantly. 7 years later it's stil laggy and crappy but many customers have payed millions for this poor service. But do they care? Not at all. They ignore you like hell and come up with one exuse after another, even if you're a premium user. It's all about money and nothing else. WAKE UP!!!!
And which one made the bigger profit? ^.^ (WoW is still going, Diablo III is going to at least rival the record for game sales... and the corporate backers of SL are running faster than a Californian during fire season) I'd still be wondering why they chose Bliz over Mayimoto or Garrett, unless they were asked first and declined (possible; I know for certain that Richard is busy right now, what with space and all...).
@ecstatica23 I'm glad that people have a virtual world to screw up. If they made it a long time ago, this world wouldn't be screwed up with most of the living things except for humans dying off.
So wait, you object to 2nd Life being a TED talk, but you wouldn't mind if blizzard gave a talk? I have to say that 2nd life is a much, much better topic for TED than WoW, because 2nd Life has a much broader social view. WoW is large and social, but very strict and contained. Everything that is done is done in the context of the Warcraft world. It is a game, first and foremost. 2nd life is more subtle than just a video game. It has implications that are far reaching and hard to predict.
People do spend thousands of real world dollars in SL. But then, people spend millions of dollars on ring tones, DVD rentals and premium cable channels, none of which provide them with the type of rich creative and socially interactive experience SL does. Anyway, I think there are a lot of misconceptions about what SL is or isn't but one thing it definitely is not is a game -- there are games to be played in SL -- if that is what you want to do -- but SL is really a... (continued)
i think the main reason why people sign up to second life is because the corporate media told them that this shit is the newes and coolest thing ever on the internet. it's *so* web 2.0, you know? so this leads to total idiots that want to be hip to sign up for that shit and buy fake money for real money.
"3D Ecommerce platform" As in a 3D shopping center? They've been done before, there is currently a new generation that just hit the market, and NONE of them have been successful (probably because 2D format shopping, such as what people do on Amazon, is faster/doesn't require an extra program+video card on old machines/less clunky/people like to shop online because they DON'T have to move/ect.)
seriously? this is a ted-talk? this talk angers me...seriously, how does second life improve the world, or a person's life for that matter? isn't that what Ted stands for? and if people are going to live "a 2nd life", they are going to be a warrior fighting dragons in world of warcraft. I'm not a huge fan of WoW, but I wouldn't mind hearing blizzard give a talk about the concepts of World of Warcraft (economic system, reasons behind design, etc). Now that would be interesting!
In real life, the most you can do is... climb some mountains, visit some countries and what not Though with technology, you can do ANYTHING. A N Y T H I N G In virtual world you can do anything the most epic the most spicy life.
If you walk into a bar in SL meet people from the world in a cultural melting pot. Mostly I enjoy live music streamed into the bar. The universal language.
This concept has a sensible application for engineers or doctors or designers of any kind who could congregate on line to work together on projects...but for socializing it just seems pathetic.
Now, if I could only see were you really disagree here, it would be fine. Seriously, you need by far better technologies in form of computation and interface. There is just no way you can do all this stuff in real time today, heck, most of our buisness technologies in those fields don't even come close to good. In part for a lack of software, but mostly because of a lack of computation power, thats all there is, and those won't be solveable without that, which is all I stated.
Market Anarchy. Maybe we'll be convinced of this in the real world when we see the acceleration with which this virtual world will progress . . . and, of course, when the state fails, as it does.
By far, the most disappointing "talk" here at Ted Talks. This is the problem when businesspeople try to talk as intellectuals... in the end, this guy is just trying to sell his product.
I agree with everyone that's saying second life sucks. I agree, the idea of a "virtual world" is awesome, but, it's going to be these schmucks creating it.
(^ interesting. this is a year out of date? (^ strange how xenaphobic ppl become (^ when interacting with unknown explorative researchers,let alone developing subcultures. (^ i too was banned from the SLED list simply for typing funny. (^ exploration is hindered if you already have an intended goal.
Yeah, I'm a real downer. But you might step up with something in the way of a defense for slicing and dicing at something as elementally sound as the "door concept." Q. Why do that? That's what I'd like to know. When the cost for potential repairs might grow exponentially, I see no sense in granting a youngster such power, a power which is essentially more of a grab for influence in the household rather than for an investigation of true innovation. Twas a fast grabbing of tools...
This guy lost me on his "home renovations." I'm the father of a Wunderkind and he's a fast reader, fast learner. Great. But as talented as he may be with a soldering iron and an X-acto knife, he shall not muddle with the doors of the house. What kind of father was that? "Oh, sure son, take my sawzall to those pesky joists. They were only in my way anyway"... Sheesh!
I just felt that these "innovative" concepts (which are interesting) could have been explained in 5 minutes. He didn't need another 25 minutes to pump up his game. ITS A GAME! FFS, ITS A GAME! people play this, and the people inside who "design objects" aren't contributing to society. A real interesting talk would be a computer program that cures eyesight problems, or provides virtual training. And no, this isn't the same, and those things don't require a "gateway medium" like this.
instead of creating a virtual world that is ideal in terms of how we can live... why not focus that energy in creating that ideal world in "RL" REAL LIFE?? people using SL is evidence of how people want change, I think that most people use SL as an escape from RL just how a lot of people use the internet and youtube, a sad statement. Sure some will argue this but I think it's fairly evident if you pay close attention.
second life is representative of idiots invading the internet. i agree with georgemargaris. and the next video "reinventing the car" is not much more than an commercial. something stinks here.
and have formed friendships that have moved from the virtual to the "real world." SL is not for everyone -- but for those of us who have connected socially both in SL & RL and are creating two way streams of art in both worlds, SL has proven to be one of the most creative, inspiring and exciting environments for artists to explore, experiment, share and learn. Additionally, several universities and various learning institutions are using SL for teaching/training... (continued)
Ive been a "resident" of Second Life for over a year. I came into Second Life because I'd heard that Suzanne Vega performed live in SL and I was interested in the potential of a virtual venue for some musicians I work with. One of the first people I met is a professor of philosophy at a Boston university. He had purchased a sim to provide space for artists and invited me to set up a studio and since then, I've had the most wonderful creative collaborative experiences beyond....(continued)
This Ted talk is as relevant today as it was back then. Rosedale is such a great communicator as well.
The content in SL is created by the residents whose varied interests range from RP sims that run the gamut from ancient history (Rome, Medieval) to the fantastical and future. And yes, there are the adult themed sims that people seem to think solely populate SL but that is not the case. There countless sims that host galleries, museums, historical reproductions, entertainment venues, cultural events, workshops and machinima theatres. And yes, there are shopping malls. (continued)
The difference between Blizzard and Linden Labs is that the former only took a preexisting genre, applied their own franchise on it and cut off the corners to make it more casual-gamer friendly while the latter created something completely different and new (which is part of the reason it has so many flaws, the whole concept is borderline insane considering the amount of data involved)
I can't wait for graphics to get so good that I can't tell reality from fantasy.
they are
I think it's got a ton of great possibilities. He said the graphics were poor compared to games as the focus was much broader. I'd like to see an all access university built in there. Or maybe a mini TED conference.
...what I could imagine. I've directed and participated in three multi-artist collaborative "conceptual" art exhibitions featuring artists from around the world. Without substantial funding the likes of which would equal that to fund a major metropolitan museum exhibition, projects like this in "real life" would be nearly impossible to orchestrate, let alone the art that was created that defies the laws of physics. I've had the joy of working with artists from around the world... (continued)
as are corporations. Manpower, one of the largest employment recruiting agencies in the world set up shop SL. There is an enormous pool of talent, not just visual artists but designers, scripters (programmers), as well as performing artists. There are many groups for as varied interests as there are people, including support groups for people with various challenges. Fundraisers in SL have raised thousands of dollars for numerous charities and causes. (continued)
Awesome concept!
kurtilein3:
to put it a bit more complicated:
Oh yes, you do need to.
Or at least, you need the raw computation power to be able to do it, even if you use it for other purposes.
Like physics simulations in semi-instanced areas, object destructibility, real time translation and voice/sound synthesis, simulation of the sensory input like touch, smell, temperature & moisture of objects.
And of course, NPC AI, they don't need to pass a Turing test, but they would have to be far better than today.
Fascinating stuff.
Excellent... an its 2012... we has done it!.. Welcome to the NOW...
It is. Not because of what it is but because of what things like 2nd life will lead to. Such as a full 3D Ecommerce platform.
likely you'll be using VR worlds/environments like Second Life a much a you now use your cell phones, iPods and the net in general. To see what people around the world can do in SL when they come together in a collaborative environment, take look at one of our multi-artist collaborations at Caerleon Isle in SL that's posted in my profile.
connect and exchange ideas and socialize and create? Give the guy his bragging rights. It's pretty awesome when you think about it. It's amazing that it even works at all when you realize there have been millions of subscribers and an average of 250K people logging in each day. And as the open source VR simulation technology continues to develop, you will see a lot more virtual worlds like SL coming online and it's... (continued)
social networking environment built on a game platform with an e-commerce twist. It's really like nothing else out there. For all it's faults, and it definitely has them, Second Life is still the best "non" game in town. And as for Philip Rosedale's enthusiastic presentation on TED, well, he does look like he's channeling Ryan Seacrest but can you blame the guy for being so passionate about something he built from the ground up that is changing how people interact and... (continued)
I'd argue that it's TED worthy, but yeah I'd also have to agree that the Blizzard team would be just as qualified considering how they've changed their genre and their fiscal success (or how about Richard Garrett or Mayimoto? That makes more sense than anything in light of this vid).
Although Second Life practically died a long time ago... sad how long TED takes getting these up sometimes, like after something has died (figuratively; one can still log in and see what once was... bleh).
lihinel:
i still disagree. most of the things you describe can be done by the community, can be implemented as user-generated content. the server only needs to provide a 3-dimensional map and textures for you to get voice/sound synthesis, acoustic mapping, dynamic lighting, better physics engines can be implemented locally by commited users, ...
all of this can be done today. no problem. it will be good enough. you would need a far better computer at home, if you want more.
I actually like like your comparison of SL to IRC+Lego. And you are right, quality is independant from popularity.
That means something can be both, or neither. I argue WoW is both because it has good graphics, interesting economy, addicting gameplay, and an expanding community. I also argue that SL has little of each, since it has crappy graphics, probably a better economy and similar addiction, but a shrinking community. Also,1 more thing
I mean twitter is what 2 years old run by 25 guys and has a couple million users and is growing exponentially.
You gotta find a good community in SL.
It's just most people tend to not realize how big the game is and are generally too lazy to find a good community ingame. I found several fun places with great people.
And about the "walking like a robot" part, there's Animation Overiders you can get for cheap that makes your walking, running, jumping, etc. animation differently and more realistic.
I hate when people bash on this game when they barely game it a chance.
And if their only claim to fame is "creativity in an MMO", look back at the old houses of early Ultima Online. People went out of their way to use the engine's item stacking to build all sorts of crazy creative things in their home. For some reason aquariums were common, usually made from various cloths stacked on top of one another and then fish added on that, giving the illusion of fish. Granted, it wasn't planned, but it did exist.
And SL was sooo a game: the only elements one could say were not game-like were the advertisements, which were statistically worse than any other form of advertisement in modern times. That and it was tied to real money and there wasn't a main goal (sandbox play/virtual 3D chatroom), and there were other MMOs that beat them to that, too (Project Entropia comes to mind).
Actually, TED stands for TechnologyEntertainmentDesign, or something like that, not improving the world, or a person's life for that matter, though in principle the two can go hand in hand.
maybe the lag maybe the graphics, but SL RULES theres nothing else quite like it. Unlimited possibilities, you can be anything you can make anything. It's virtually amazing. If you don't see THAT then your the fucktard lol This man=Pure Genius
me and my best friend stay connected every day through SL. I live in New york and he lives in Austrailia.
Actually, a thought just occurred to me: a "3D eCommerce platform" is the oldest living system in the world. I like to call it "reality". Believe it or not, in your town or one close by there is a place called a "mall" where they put various 3D shops in one place for people to browse and buy things with either cash or credit card (not many accept PayPal though, which might seem strange to some shoppers...).
Yeah, I'm being a sarcastic bastard now ^.^
right truthi, I tried second life it was fun but, I couldn't even consider actually spending real money in a virtual 3D environment just seems kind of dim. I use the internet as a whole to research products find the best price and order through secure channels. Turning shopping into a video game doesn't really appeal to people who like their real life. But I guess there are people who want to go to a virtual store so they can have more time with their vr girlfriend maybe raise some VR kids.
hosting at clubs in secondlife is fun
Good Speech..
lihinel:
to put it very simple: to create an utopia, you dont need to simulate everything down to the level that dirt starts collecting on the floor.
I have been looking all over for good videos to describe to friends what sl is about. There are way to may videos about trolling griefing and pragencies in sl.
Draxtor files or Drax files...on youtube
i can definately see the benefits in something like this, especially for medical purposes, training, or even simulating life experiences.
i just thought it was funny that you said you are looking forward to a more realistic version of 2nd life, which, at its pinnacle, would still pale in comparison to real life.
i really think you should stop waiting for second life, because as far as entertainment value goes, the prequel is way better.
All nice and well, but sadly it seems to be not much more than a 3D chatroom with some neat features and community created content at the momment.
Though I guess it'll really be interesting as soon as the technologies get a couple thousand to million times more powerful.
So 15-25 years it is?
Oh and:
AR + Foglets > VR
Because popularity clearly is the same as quality, that's why fast food is the best food known to mankind. Like you said, games like Ultima online had intricate housing systems, other MMOs have at least similar stuff (EQ2 for example, where a whole profession exists to create more or less useless furniture). WoW...not so much.
SL just isn't a game. The way I always describe it is IRC+LEGO. Many have tried to imitate it but they forget the second part and end up with unpopular 3D chat rooms.
jdmrsearch, I agree."This is the problem when businesspeople try to talk as intellectuals... in the end, this guy is just trying to sell his product."
The whole "social networking" aspect of games like SL, WoW, Warhammer and all the others is just a copout for people who don't want to socialize in person. The games give people a way of getting around their insecurities whether they are physical or social, real or perceived, and only help them hide from dealing with their own problems. Hiding behind an avatar and conversing in a dynamic chat room isn't a healthy way to spend the majority of your time.
But if you want to support people's creativity then why is the land so overly expensive to the point it's almost impossible to get make it more affordable
....thats not the point
The fact is that I would want to do things in a virtual world not possible in reality, but it would have such good graphics that it would mimic reality very closely.
But some people are attracted to the anonymity factor though... they like being not "known".
Actually, I'd concur with the past-tense form of that fragment: "idiots invaded the internet long ago"
Otherwise, you're just bringing up an issue of semantics.
I was an underage second life player.
I played a kid avi on adult second life.
Oh I loved it.
Best Game EVER
Honestly, i mean, whoa!
You can get everything on that game.
Its litteraly addicting.
I got banned too many times...now my ip is banned from SL, and im litteraly the saddest person ever :(
that's the notion, however this is driven by people who don't bother remembering their dreams. If they were aware they could go on nightly voyages through the galaxies they wouldn't bother with this stuff.
Smooth talker but he's after your money when you're inworld. It is NOT the beautiful world he's announcing constantly. 7 years later it's stil laggy and crappy but many customers have payed millions for this poor service. But do they care? Not at all. They ignore you like hell and come up with one exuse after another, even if you're a premium user. It's all about money and nothing else. WAKE UP!!!!
And which one made the bigger profit? ^.^ (WoW is still going, Diablo III is going to at least rival the record for game sales... and the corporate backers of SL are running faster than a Californian during fire season)
I'd still be wondering why they chose Bliz over Mayimoto or Garrett, unless they were asked first and declined (possible; I know for certain that Richard is busy right now, what with space and all...).
nice very nice
Second Life is soo overrated and getting way to much attention.
@ecstatica23 I'm glad that people have a virtual world to screw up. If they made it a long time ago, this world wouldn't be screwed up with most of the living things except for humans dying off.
So wait, you object to 2nd Life being a TED talk, but you wouldn't mind if blizzard gave a talk? I have to say that 2nd life is a much, much better topic for TED than WoW, because 2nd Life has a much broader social view. WoW is large and social, but very strict and contained. Everything that is done is done in the context of the Warcraft world. It is a game, first and foremost. 2nd life is more subtle than just a video game. It has implications that are far reaching and hard to predict.
People do spend thousands of real world dollars in SL. But then, people spend millions of dollars on ring tones, DVD rentals and premium cable channels, none of which provide them with the type of rich creative and socially interactive experience SL does. Anyway, I think there are a lot of misconceptions about what SL is or isn't but one thing it definitely is not is a game -- there are games to be played in SL -- if that is what you want to do -- but SL is really a... (continued)
i think the main reason why people sign up to second life is because the corporate media told them that this shit is the newes and coolest thing ever on the internet. it's *so* web 2.0, you know? so this leads to total idiots that want to be hip to sign up for that shit and buy fake money for real money.
This didn't age well. Ask anyone under 25 and they don't know what Second Life is.
"3D Ecommerce platform" As in a 3D shopping center? They've been done before, there is currently a new generation that just hit the market, and NONE of them have been successful (probably because 2D format shopping, such as what people do on Amazon, is faster/doesn't require an extra program+video card on old machines/less clunky/people like to shop online because they DON'T have to move/ect.)
seriously? this is a ted-talk?
this talk angers me...seriously, how does second life improve the world, or a person's life for that matter? isn't that what Ted stands for?
and if people are going to live "a 2nd life", they are going to be a warrior fighting dragons in world of warcraft.
I'm not a huge fan of WoW, but I wouldn't mind hearing blizzard give a talk about the concepts of World of Warcraft (economic system, reasons behind design, etc). Now that would be interesting!
In real life, the most you can do is... climb some mountains, visit some countries and what not
Though with technology, you can do ANYTHING. A N Y T H I N G
In virtual world you can do anything the most epic the most spicy life.
If you walk into a bar in SL meet people from the world in a cultural melting pot. Mostly I enjoy live music streamed into the bar. The universal language.
This concept has a sensible application for engineers or doctors or designers of any kind who could congregate on line to work together on projects...but for socializing it just seems pathetic.
Now, if I could only see were you really disagree here, it would be fine.
Seriously, you need by far better technologies in form of computation and interface.
There is just no way you can do all this stuff in real time today, heck, most of our buisness technologies in those fields don't even come close to good.
In part for a lack of software, but mostly because of a lack of computation power, thats all there is, and those won't be solveable without that, which is all I stated.
Market Anarchy. Maybe we'll be convinced of this in the real world when we see the acceleration with which this virtual world will progress . . . and, of course, when the state fails, as it does.
By far, the most disappointing "talk" here at Ted Talks. This is the problem when businesspeople try to talk as intellectuals... in the end, this guy is just trying to sell his product.
I agree with everyone that's saying second life sucks. I agree, the idea of a "virtual world" is awesome, but, it's going to be these schmucks creating it.
(^ interesting. this is a year out of date?
(^ strange how xenaphobic ppl become
(^ when interacting with unknown explorative researchers,let alone developing subcultures.
(^ i too was banned from the SLED list simply for typing funny.
(^ exploration is hindered if you already have an intended goal.
what an annoying talk. The guy did infomercials before he became an innovator?? That would be my guess
Yeah, I'm a real downer. But you might step up with something in the way of a defense for slicing and dicing at something as elementally sound as the "door concept."
Q. Why do that? That's what I'd like to know. When the cost for potential repairs might grow exponentially, I see no sense in granting a youngster such power, a power which is essentially more of a grab for influence in the household rather than for an investigation of true innovation. Twas a fast grabbing of tools...
This guy lost me on his "home renovations." I'm the father of a Wunderkind and he's a fast reader, fast learner. Great.
But as talented as he may be with a soldering iron and an X-acto knife, he shall not muddle with the doors of the house.
What kind of father was that? "Oh, sure son, take my sawzall to those pesky joists. They were only in my way anyway"... Sheesh!
oh no, that concept has already been done. i think its called life, you should get one.
I just felt that these "innovative" concepts (which are interesting) could have been explained in 5 minutes.
He didn't need another 25 minutes to pump up his game. ITS A GAME! FFS, ITS A GAME! people play this, and the people inside who "design objects" aren't contributing to society. A real interesting talk would be a computer program that cures eyesight problems, or provides virtual training. And no, this isn't the same, and those things don't require a "gateway medium" like this.
instead of creating a virtual world that is ideal in terms of how we can live... why not focus that energy in creating that ideal world in "RL" REAL LIFE?? people using SL is evidence of how people want change, I think that most people use SL as an escape from RL just how a lot of people use the internet and youtube, a sad statement. Sure some will argue this but I think it's fairly evident if you pay close attention.
second life is representative of idiots invading the internet.
i agree with georgemargaris. and the next video "reinventing the car" is not much more than an commercial. something stinks here.
Second Life? Are you FUCKING kidding me?
GAWD TMFL;DFR
lol second life
haha ya
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rubbish....
Dude looks like a 60 year old lesbian.
And not a single word about furries :|
lmao
The future of distraction.
never paly second life
i love ragnarok online
lame
Waste for ted