Why Palpatine Calling Vader "Friend" Was Insanely Offensive to Him

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  • @pyerack
    @pyerack ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Makes sense he'd hate being called a friend.
    Sidious is mocking the term by using it in a condensing way to remind Vader how foolish he was to trust him at all.
    That's like having a bully constantly refer to you as "buddy"

  • @thaiylooze8217
    @thaiylooze8217 2 ปีที่แล้ว +419

    Him calling vader “friend” is an insult just because it REMINDS vader of his true friends and family he betrayed. All just to replace their real love with palp’s hatred. His idea of a “friend” is destroyed. The DEVIL HAS NO FRIENDS. The devil loves NO one

    • @postsniper-7532
      @postsniper-7532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Obi wan was his friend palpatine could never be that

    • @areshenderson1533
      @areshenderson1533 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@postsniper-7532 Wrong. Palpatine was his friend before he became a Sith.

    • @postsniper-7532
      @postsniper-7532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@areshenderson1533 that literally has nothing to do with obi wan and anakin oh yea and obi wan was his master before he befriended the chancellor so maybe idk mind your business

    • @areshenderson1533
      @areshenderson1533 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@postsniper-7532 Lol. "Was his Master before he befriended the Chancellor"😂😆🤣😂😆😂🤣

    • @postsniper-7532
      @postsniper-7532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@areshenderson1533 was he not your laughter at facts makes no sense as anakin was literally saved by qui gon who shortly after died and made obi wan promise to train anakin which he did

  • @MegaDrain
    @MegaDrain 2 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Going along with why he aligned himself with the empire, it's also one of those scenarios where he's too far into being a sith, that it'd be impossible to go back. Even if he wanted to, he'd be mercilessly hunted by the empire and Palpatine almost for certain knowing wherever he went. That and even if he went to the rebellion he would on a constant basis be mistrusted and probably have assassination attempts on him more than when he was in the empire.

    • @Sam-cm1uk
      @Sam-cm1uk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      fax

    • @gumdeo
      @gumdeo ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think the Rebels would try to kill him immediately.

  • @stonecoldprose
    @stonecoldprose ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I've always thought one of the many terrible things Vader would have had to swallow was losing his father figure, the seemingly kindly Palpatine, to Sidious, who he knew didn't give a damn about him and had been manipulating him and lying to him since he was ten years old. Vader had lost everything, including a cherished illusion.

  • @marcthompson2027
    @marcthompson2027 2 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    You left out a small fact, when ever the emperor felt that Vader failed him in some way, he would call him by his first name, Anakin. He knew it would anger Vader because Vader loathed everything that Anakin was and how he ultimately failed.

    • @dilleng123
      @dilleng123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well said

    • @newhybrid101
      @newhybrid101 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He never called him Anakin

    • @jared5472
      @jared5472 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Source dude? I’ve read pretty much every comic/book and I don’t think he did this once.
      Actually now that I think about, Sidious would continuously referred to Anakin as an entirely separate entity than Vader. He even did this in the movies bro.
      Careful using the word fact. A lot of TH-camrs aren’t careful either.

  • @apok1980
    @apok1980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I’ve read a lot of stories about Sith (Bane, Malik, Plagis, etc.). Vader doesn’t act like a typical sith. He acts like someone who’s staying occupied with the sith until he dies. All Sith usually want to take over, and are highly motivated towards domination. Vader seems resigned to existing till he dies. And while Vader is badly injured probably the most out of all Sith, it seems like other Sith become maimed and shrug it off because power is all they care about. Maybe Palpatine is disappointed with that as well. Basically, Palpatine is dealing with a permanent EMO apprentice.

    • @peterversionone
      @peterversionone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Didn’t Vader with the help of Luke want to destroy Palpatine? I think he just knew because of the robotics, he was at a disadvantage

    • @davidstigberg8888
      @davidstigberg8888 ปีที่แล้ว

      If Vader never got injured and never put in the suit he most likely would have been able to crush Palpatine like a bug BUT because his limbs were gone, body badly burned beyond repair and because he was put in that suit he couldn't overcome Palps. George Lucas even said that after Vader was put in the suit he was only at 80% of his power.

    • @Aivottaja
      @Aivottaja ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sidious was born to be a Sith. Anakin was born to be a Jedi. Have the former be the latter's master and this is the kind of dysfunctional relationship that ensues :D

    • @weinerpalace853
      @weinerpalace853 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Aivottaja well maybe a grey jedi.

  • @MattanzaMafiaFedora
    @MattanzaMafiaFedora 2 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    This video was really good to see, and I'm glad somebody put these Sith Lords' relationships in a proper real-world context. Please do more about how the relationships between other characters present themselves, and also, what can we learn from them. ✊

    • @jamescunningham4268
      @jamescunningham4268 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed!

    • @Just_Pele
      @Just_Pele 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Friendships among the Sith were rare, but they did exist. No, there was no real affection, but there was mutual respect and they would value each other's existence (at least until it was time for one to kill the other for power or position.

    • @jamesmary8953
      @jamesmary8953 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "Real world context" doesn't include politics and social views, let's get that straight.

  • @TheFukkles
    @TheFukkles ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I think there are times where Sideous is genuinely proud of Vader as a master. Specifically when he sees Vader fight to overcome his injuries during the comic run shortly after his defeat on Mustafar, he offered Vader the chance to rule over any planet of his choice. And he does take opportunities to instruct Vader in the ways of the dark side, which means he values Vader as a possible successor in some form.
    Honestly, Vader being 80% as powerful as Sideous still makes him extremely impressive and in the top tiers of the most powerful Sith lords. I think what made Sideous want to replace Vader at all was the fact that he was such a brute in his approach to everything- he lacked finesse for any situation outside of lightsaber combat. He was unstable, not well suited to tasks outside of destruction. Even when Vader had the opportunity to chose a planet to rule, he chose Mustafar which had no people to govern and symbolized his inability to let go of his past. The Sith empire that was in the making for 1000s of years would surely be squandered by someone as tactless and disinterested as Vader, hence why Sideous feared for his legacy and decided he would simply rule forever. He realized that nobody would ever be powerful enough to replace Darth Vader, much less himself (until it turned out the Skywalker children survived).

    • @Aivottaja
      @Aivottaja ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Palpatine was dropping nuggets of teaching just enough to string Vader along and lull him into remaining under his thumb. Which is something Sidious learned from his own master.

  • @maiharuka432
    @maiharuka432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    I may not be wise within the force, but I believe that ole Palpatine used the word "friend" to remind Vader of the time he was Anakin? Because didn't Obi-Wan often call Anakin "old friend" or "brother" so wouldn't it be a constant reminder of Anakin's past and how he lost everything because he trusted Palpatine.

    • @apok1980
      @apok1980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You know what? Palpatine usually greets you with a smile and uses words like friend. But say you accidentally step on his new Air Jordans and say “sorry”, he’ll say “it’s quite all right” with a smile, then walk into the next room and tell his lackey to peel your skin off of you while you’re still alive. I think he only shows anger when it gets serious.

    • @maiharuka432
      @maiharuka432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@apok1980 This is true, but if you really pay attention to Palpatine and Anakin's relationship until he becomes Vader. Palpatine basically knows how Anakin reacts before he'll react from killing the sand people and Palpatine encouraging that he did the right thing. To the visions of Padme death so when it came time for pushing Anakin to the dark side it was kind of like "you knew this whole time I was secretly a sith lord and you still picked me over your light." Those small words alone probably sends Vader into moments of doubt within himself and he still feels like that little boy Anakin Skywalker instead of his own man.

    • @whateverthisismeanttobe
      @whateverthisismeanttobe 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Always assumes it was a mix of this reason along with the point brought up in the video.

  • @ejrodriguez2656
    @ejrodriguez2656 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The relationship between Vader and Sidious was always so dramatic and very complex and I love it. I love the complexity of their chemistry and just when I thought I had figured it out, something else comes out of left field and I there will be more to see.😇👍👍👍

  • @michelletackett9489
    @michelletackett9489 2 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I loved this video. It also shows why it took Luke to snap Anakin out of his Vader persona.
    Vader felt like he had nothing, and that no one liked him. Obi-Wan, Yoda, and the Jedi, in general, abandoned him, so Anakin sucked up the abuse to stay with his abuser.
    Here comes Luke to show Anakin that he wasn't alone and there was good in the universe. When Anakin realized this, Vader was vanquished and Anakin came back.
    I blame the Jedi order too. They treated Anakin like crap, and it made him distrust the Jedi. Palpatine came in and manipulated Anakin over to the dark side. If the Jedi order hadn't run Ahsoka out, and if they had trusted Anakin, he may not have turned to the Dark side for a while.
    The Jedi were too dogmatic in their views of light and dark. Good and evil. Palpatine learned both sides and used the Jedi's weaknesses be their downfall.
    People think Star Wars is anti-passion, anger, and intensity. No, it's showing how being dogmatic about one side isn't good. The Jedi refused to learn anything about the Darkside and demonized those who wanted to understand the dark side. Palpatine's downfall was when he looked at the light side as weak. Palpatine was at his most dangerous when he was curious about both sides of the force. He thought once the light side was driven out of someone, that they couldn't be turned back. He was wrong.
    Sorry, I went off-topic a little, but I was trying to explain how Anakin got into that state of mind. How he let an awful person control, abuse, and use him. Palpatine feared Anakin at first, that's why he didn't want Anakin at full strength. Anakin would've easily overthrown him, so Palpatine had to make sure that Anakin couldn't reach his full potential. So, Palpatine abused Vader physically and mentally. He didn't want Anakin to ever reach his full potential.

    • @cobylguz
      @cobylguz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      yoda also believed that redemption was impossible. obi wan might have been of the same sentiment by the time of the OT

    • @michelletackett9489
      @michelletackett9489 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@cobylguz Seems like h was. Anakin snapped out of it because Luke loved him despite what he had done.

    • @AndrewBamber
      @AndrewBamber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Great analysis. By refusing to acknowledge Anakin's human side and emotions the Jedi blinded themselves from the truth and effectively sent him to Palpatine with a ribbon on

    • @Limited_Light
      @Limited_Light 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Paulogia's channel speaks to the dogmatism. Paul worked with Lucas during the prequels.

    • @michelletackett9489
      @michelletackett9489 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Limited_Light Good.

  • @andy2200
    @andy2200 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Obiwan is the ultimate troll master.
    Palpatine: Bitch please. (Insert meme troll face here)

  • @Xehanort10
    @Xehanort10 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    A guy calling himself my friend after he manipulated me into thinking he could help save my wife, convinced me my friends were planning a takeover and to kill them then constantly tried to kill and replace me would piss me off too.

    • @Matthew-Anthony
      @Matthew-Anthony 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Xehanort10 It is not Sheen Palpatine's fault that Anakin Force choked his wife and lost a duel to Obi-Wan Kenobi. That is all on the new Darth Vader.

  • @lordofpain3476
    @lordofpain3476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    Vader was the eternal slave .
    Born a slave to a Hutt.
    Then a slave to Watto.
    Then a slave to the jedi .
    Then a slave to Emperor Palpatine .
    Not to mention , that his entire life he was a slave to his emotions .

    • @theofficialprotalkpage4014
      @theofficialprotalkpage4014 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      best comment

    • @thecodingninjaisepic3561
      @thecodingninjaisepic3561 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      the only time vader was free was after he killed sidious, for a few brief moments before dying

    • @victoralmeida4955
      @victoralmeida4955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      He was a slave to a prophecy

    • @krishan8735
      @krishan8735 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      A slave his entire life, but, for a rare and the most defining moment of his life, he was freed by his son. He was a slave for almost all of his life, but he died a free man. Makes the exchange of
      "I've got to save you."
      "You already have."
      All the more powerful.

    • @danielanderson6933
      @danielanderson6933 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@krishan8735 still a slave to a prophecy

  • @megabunnyboi
    @megabunnyboi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "my little green friend"' seems the Dark Lord uses friend has an insult always lol

  • @dylanm6335
    @dylanm6335 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is my favorite relationship in all of Star Wars. Even their brief interactions like in Kenobi are so complex and layered

  • @exschweizer
    @exschweizer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "You seem agitated, my friend"

  • @psychonaut2173
    @psychonaut2173 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Its a good analisys on your part. its like what I say about Anakin he was meant to bring balance to the force and that meant clearing the force of all force users. But you know it can be either or

  • @greyjedi6430
    @greyjedi6430 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    there is nothing casual about star wars this is life and death
    I'll die for this shit

  • @Stussmeister
    @Stussmeister ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As Sidious himself said in the Darth Plagueis novel, "No true Sith can ever really care about another. This has always been known." He sees Vader as merely another pawn to move on his game board, one to take orders, give orders on his behalf, and do his bidding.

  • @brittanyjimenez6989
    @brittanyjimenez6989 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So then, at the very ending sentence when you say have a great day my friend, should we be insulted LMAO 🤣

  • @michaelkannady2848
    @michaelkannady2848 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I think they reason Palpatine called him "friend" is a cruel reminder that the power of his sociopathic manipulation of Vader was stronger then Anakin/Vader himself! "Friend" was a cruel reminder that Vader was a blunt instrument, and will never have this unique ability, and this coupled with Vader knowing he could never overpower Sidious, kept Vader subservient and very unlikely to attempt to overthrow the Emperor. A subconscious way to keep Vader mentally defeated, fearful and subservient forever.

  • @mattmackmack9173
    @mattmackmack9173 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was an awesome video . The analysis was great in its depth and insight.

  • @anakinskywalker1107
    @anakinskywalker1107 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Your analysises just show that how great and deep Star Wars is written 👌

  • @seto_kaiba_
    @seto_kaiba_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tbh Vader likely knew Palpatine was never really his friend the moment he found out he was a Sith Lord. He only joined him to save Padme.

  • @michaelverdon7252
    @michaelverdon7252 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just want to say stupendous wave that I love the music and soundtrack that plays in your videos as you talk or as the videos play

  • @Matthew-Anthony
    @Matthew-Anthony 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Honestly, think about it. If Darth Vader decided to run away after the events of The Revenge of the Sith, where would he go as a cyborg? What would he do for the rest of his life? How would he be able to hide from Darth Sidious, and how many years (if any) would he be able to successful do so until he gets caught?
    Victims of abuse have many places to go, even if they do not see the where those places are. However, Darth Vader absolutely had nowhere to go. He lost everything from his previous life. Everything, except Darth Sidious.

  • @robhou5353
    @robhou5353 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Like playing head to head cards, the sarcastic banter and saying "friend/buddy" would make anyone mad as 💩

  • @smitty_jaeger
    @smitty_jaeger ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a great perspective on their relationship. You're videos are always such an insightful look into amazing lore of Star Wars 👍

  • @Lord_HawHaw
    @Lord_HawHaw ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Aka, Palpatine gaslit the hell out of him.

  • @HCBailly
    @HCBailly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don't know if Anakin is the best example of Palpatine being a master manipulator. Granted, he did manipulate him for decades. However, the only reason any of that paid off was that Anakin suddenly forgot his brain and became gullible enough to believe that killing children would somehow save Padme's life. That's a pretty huge gamble to bet your life on.

    • @takemetothethreshold2085
      @takemetothethreshold2085 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was rewarded with exquisite agony for 29 years, until his son saved him. That gamble paid off big time LOL 😂

  • @tracygertsch7729
    @tracygertsch7729 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's true after Anakin lead himself in that suit for being to smug, and he knew it then all Darth Vader had was Palpatine and the relationship, was pretty strand for years, it got down right beyod sawer when Vader learn he was soully responsible, for Padme's death and Vader was just chomping at the bit to get ride of Palpatine, but as all know it wouldn't go down as Vader would plan.

  • @savagedarksider5934
    @savagedarksider5934 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had A dream where Vader sent his conscious back in time and his conscious took over his younger self.

  • @LB-py9ig
    @LB-py9ig ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So it's the same logic as being 'jumped' into a gang. The more Palpatine tries to replace Vader, the more Vader fights to remain at Palpatine's side. Consciously, it's to spite Palpatine by refusing to disappear, but subconsciously, it's the sunken cost fallacy. The harder he fights to remain at Palpatine's side, the more he needs all that fighting to have been for something.

  • @BoredBricks
    @BoredBricks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My little green friend.

  • @kevin8639
    @kevin8639 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Vader I'm not your friend guy
    Palpatine I'm not your guy buddy

  • @offgridgreenie9668
    @offgridgreenie9668 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He exchanged his friends for a monster.

  • @andy4kingston700
    @andy4kingston700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The way I see it is Vader never care about what and who I think he just care about what he doing and what in front of him

  • @TKnHappyNess
    @TKnHappyNess 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think Palpatine was upset that he couldn't get laid one more time before becoming Darth Syphilis due to Anakin taking his time choosing sides

    • @johnhoran9840
      @johnhoran9840 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, he WAS married to Natalie Portman...

  • @kaidorade1317
    @kaidorade1317 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating ! I have always wondered this. Now I understand our Emperor more than before

  • @gerald8543
    @gerald8543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you every hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise?
    Hmm.... I Thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you.

  • @CarlosGonzalez-yj1tf
    @CarlosGonzalez-yj1tf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A slave to destiny itself.
    Definitely one of the best written villains of all time.

  • @chrismc410
    @chrismc410 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Palpatine could call Vader "Prag" or "Bitch" Vader would probably prefer them to "Friend" the way Palpatine says it. At least it would be more accurate if he did call him "Prag" or "Bitch"

  • @aliastheabnormal
    @aliastheabnormal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Even if Vader did leave Palpatine. Where would he go to begin with? Tatooine?

  • @gr77552
    @gr77552 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was very interesting, thanks for the video. However... what about the generous gifts Vader received? He also got his own moon.

  • @Aivottaja
    @Aivottaja ปีที่แล้ว

    I think "friend" is Palpatine's favorite word of mockery. The idea that he would ever consider anyone a friend or even the implication that he would be capable of friendship, must be hilarious to him.
    The next one after that is "peace".

  • @adamwalker1225
    @adamwalker1225 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Palatine wasn't an ordinary sith. If you read related books about palpatine and Count Dooku's relationship was also similar. Once Palatine Warned Dooku for Anakin. But Dooku was sure he could beat Anakin. Palpatines aspect is being friends with his apprentice. Not like traditional sith-apprentice relationship "being body of the power and crawling apprentice for power" That's why he could survive for long time comparing other sith Lords...

  • @ethansanders5706
    @ethansanders5706 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think this is very interesting, it's obvious their courteous words to one another is just a thinly veiled disguise for the animosity they hold. Although there is a part of me that wonders about sidious in particular. Given how immersed he is in the darkness and how he has never tasted real friendship, I wonder if on some level this is genuinely his twisted idea of friendship. It's toxic, cruel and both suffer from it, but that to the sith that is what they call good.

  • @thereturnofdarthcaedus
    @thereturnofdarthcaedus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i even noticed this when their was only 6 movies out both vader and sidious had a terrible friendship i knew this right away i even noticed this before disney even bought star wars

  • @-jadoofsavannah-6647
    @-jadoofsavannah-6647 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such Elegance..
    For a more civilized Day.
    Kee up the good work sir

  • @jordanglasper1064
    @jordanglasper1064 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thought it was weird how the emperor called Darth Vader “my friend”

  • @oddmanout8692
    @oddmanout8692 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Palpatine rid himself of such "friends" years before he met Anakin Skywalker.

  • @bleach-kun
    @bleach-kun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Palpy: Howdy Friend
    Vader: *triggered*

  • @nicknoga564
    @nicknoga564 ปีที่แล้ว

    This way of viewing Sidious as Vader’s abuser gives new insight into why he says to Luke on Bespin: “…you can destroy the Emperor.” Not because Vader wants to lure Luke per se, but because Vader wants Sidious dead but cannot accomplish it himself.

  • @icervoid
    @icervoid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are speaking as he speaks to Vader: "My friend"

  • @detroitmiracle1797
    @detroitmiracle1797 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vader is insulted by that, because he knows what true friendship is, such as his and kenobi's.

  • @MichaelNight
    @MichaelNight ปีที่แล้ว

    I think that this relationship is interesting to those of us who have experienced any form of psychological abuse. So many reminders pop up in the way that Sidious speaks to Vader or how Vader speaks with Galen Marek, for instance.

  • @battlefrontbruh932
    @battlefrontbruh932 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    “ a disappointed parent “ bro 💀💀💀

  • @okamijubei
    @okamijubei ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To be fair, he calls his enemies the same term (including Yoda).

  • @Swearengen1980
    @Swearengen1980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    At what point in time did Vader declare he only just the Sith because the Jedi had fallen, etc. Because everything on film or in the tv series says Anakin turned before Order 66 and he was a part of it. The moment he took off Mace's hand, he joined Sidious. So when was this written, before or after Ep 3? There's too much retconning in Star Wars.

    • @DS9TREK
      @DS9TREK ปีที่แล้ว

      Different things. He saved Palpatine from Mace in order to save Padme. He then committed himself to the Sith afterwards cos Padme died anyway and the Jedi Order was gone.

  • @whynot1548
    @whynot1548 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's a form of Stockholm Syndrome. Palpatine abuses Vader than pats his said, saying "There, there."

  • @ArtByAhri
    @ArtByAhri ปีที่แล้ว

    another way Sidious was keeping him in line was with his suit. As you said in other video where it's too vulnerable specially to his lightning.

  • @marcomcdowell8861
    @marcomcdowell8861 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He refers to a lot of people as "friend", He even called Yoda his little green friend. I figure someone would get triggered if he called Vader, "my big black friend" 😂

  • @wesleyb_92
    @wesleyb_92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes, my friend.

  • @evancoffland19
    @evancoffland19 ปีที่แล้ว

    “The gift of pain” lol. With friends like palpy, who needs enemies?

  • @thereturnofdarthcaedus
    @thereturnofdarthcaedus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i always knew this before these new comics came out

  • @sixr9991
    @sixr9991 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One question: Did vader call the emperor "my master" in IV V VI more referring to the apprentice-master relationship or more of a "master-slave" relationship? Cuz when I was watching IV V VI, their relationship didn't give me a "master-apprentice" vibe at all???

  • @TheSillybigman
    @TheSillybigman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't know how vader missed what demon he was dealing with. The clones, tricking the jedi, claiming to be able to save padme with no real effort to do so, not even putting her in a safe place which at the very least would have put her in hostage situations to make vader follow orders, nothing. Dooku, maul, and any other apprentice that anybody could see were just pawns.. ..vader was not an idiot.
    He knew what it all was and did it any way. He wasn't tricked.

  • @Rey_Palpatine
    @Rey_Palpatine 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's actually an interesting way to insult someone by using a word that would be a compliment in any other context. I might start doing this to people I don't like

  • @karlmiller7188
    @karlmiller7188 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good relationship analysis

  • @kevincalgta
    @kevincalgta ปีที่แล้ว

    Stupendous wave I am wondering if you can make a video going over the relationship of Darth bane and his apprentice Darth Zana because unlike Darth Vader and emperor, Palpa teen the relationship between Darth, Ben and Darth, Zana because their relationship seems more like brother and sister, or a teacher and a student because Ben could not help Xena learn Sith magic

  • @rexmagi4606
    @rexmagi4606 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like it really isn't intended to be an insult when he calls him friend. I think he knows Vader hates him and is somewhat cautious with him at times when he thinks he could go rogue on him. Even if Sidious can beat Vader, he still needs an apprentice and doesn't want Vader to run off or die trying to kill him.

  • @theskoomacat3106
    @theskoomacat3106 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "I'm not your friend buddy!"
    ~ Vader

  • @1lionyouth
    @1lionyouth 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Out of curiosity... Is there some behind the scenes reason why Legends material is not really discussed?

  • @banthatracks_gaffisticks
    @banthatracks_gaffisticks 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vader is a Sith Stalker

  • @Thestray187
    @Thestray187 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Or when a woman says to a man "do you love me" they know either a favor or he needs to do something

  • @philiplombardo4332
    @philiplombardo4332 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sidious played the friendship card just to manipulate Vader, but thanks to the love of of his son Luke, Vader snapped out of it, and over threw his evil master, which brings up, be careful of the friends you make.

  • @Thestray187
    @Thestray187 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe once anakin joined the dark side and began as teacher and student the ship of friend has totally sunk

  • @Scoobydude-qp5mt
    @Scoobydude-qp5mt ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't remember for sure but didn't Sidious call dooku friend as well

  • @nightwingman666
    @nightwingman666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well spoken. Both a backhanded compliment as Palpatine was all Vader had left and a way to remind Vader of the atrocities he did. Vader at this point believed he lost everything his wife his brother his friends his children who would ever want him after all the things he did. Palpatine knew Vader was half of what he was after his fight with Obi-Wan on Mustafar. Palpatine still needed Vader as a tool to enforce his will now that he ruled the galaxy Vader was nothing more than a means to his own end. Which brings me to this issue using Anakin manipulating him for years to turn him to the dark side using him as just a tool to get what he wanted and letting him suffer so much how is what Palpatine did any different than Qui-Gon’s plans? I always have a hard time believing the whole ‘Qui-Gon is Anakin’s father figure and would have kept him from falling to the dark side’. Like Palpatine Qui-Gon saw Anakin’s potential he saw Anakin as a means to an end for Palpatine it was to see his empire come true for Qui-Gon it was so the Chosen One prophecy would come true. Palpatine let Vader go through pain and suffering to get where he needed him to be as Darth Vader and Qui-Gon who was able to reach out and commune with Obi-Wan and Yoda from beyond the grave yet made no effort to do the same for Anakin let Anakin fall and become Darth Vader so he can ‘destroy the sith’ in Return of the Jedi. Maybe it was the ‘will of the force’ for it to happen but all that shows is Qui-Gon was no better or different that Darth Sidious in how he saw Anakin.

  • @BlackPower300
    @BlackPower300 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video

  • @pattyjay9999
    @pattyjay9999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do you suppose that they did not put the interaction between Vader and The emperor on film instead of that NNOOOOOOOI❓

  • @juliancamacho3837
    @juliancamacho3837 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s ironic that he calls him “friend” because he only played the roll to manipulate and turn the chosen one, Vader finds out he was no friend

  • @shawnkenneth5503
    @shawnkenneth5503 ปีที่แล้ว

    "I'm not your friend...guy ..."

  • @theoldhermit2601
    @theoldhermit2601 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Damn that Palpatussy so strong it seduced Anakin 😳

    • @NoahS4226
      @NoahS4226 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It would have cost you zero dollars not to say this

  • @NoahS4226
    @NoahS4226 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish my master would order me around and punish me as he pleases

  • @-jadoofsavannah-6647
    @-jadoofsavannah-6647 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why doesn't Vader have upper leg plated armor and also across his arms?
    His suit is so lacking in comparison to his Storm Troopers

  • @groovytony3276
    @groovytony3276 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whenhe gifts his that spaceship from naboo oof

  • @mattyisforlovers
    @mattyisforlovers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You say "my friend" when you sign off >:)

  • @EAcapuccino
    @EAcapuccino 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sidious
    The master of manipulation 😈

  • @piratavorak
    @piratavorak 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's not all just a lie, in the end he is his emperor, teacher and ally, being this maybe the only friend vader have

    • @DS9TREK
      @DS9TREK ปีที่แล้ว

      They were barely allies. Palpatine would regularly send people off to kill Vader, saying they could become Palpatine's new apprentice if they did so.
      And at the same time Vader tries to get Luke's help to kill Palpatine and replace him. They hated each other but we're stuck in a relationship of co-dependency until one of them got the other killed.

  • @irishrailenthusiast1977
    @irishrailenthusiast1977 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Actually although Sidious generally cared little about his apprentices or anyone for that matter, he did have a profound respect and appreciation for Vader, as evidenced by the way he gives Vader full command of the Imperial military alongside Tarkin. Even going as far as to give him a planet and whatever he desired, within reason of course. But this could be due to the fact that literally there would never be anyone to become his apprentice that is more powerful than Vader. Vader is the chosen one after all

    • @royalmatt499
      @royalmatt499 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      These rewards was a manipulation as well.

    • @Sam-cm1uk
      @Sam-cm1uk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@royalmatt499 wouldnt how he treats any other apprenticeship (e.g. maul) be 'manipulation'?

    • @royalmatt499
      @royalmatt499 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sam-cm1uk Literally everything Palpatine does is a calculated act for control and superiority.

  • @blooddrawer
    @blooddrawer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why did you insult us at the end

  • @Just_Pele
    @Just_Pele 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    His problem was in no longer having self-worth, that died with Anakin, and he hated himself far more than anyone else, including Palps. I have/had people in my life that have many faces, and I fix the situation by playing-up the "friend" part. I reward them when they DO act like friends, but ignore them when they're cold, and even insult or sabotage them when they attempt to talk down to me. It would have been tough for Vader, but what did he have to lose? His life that he hated? Eventually Sidious would have treated him as more of an equal, seeing Vader as a worthwhile colleague, or he would have killed him, either way Vader's situation would have improved and the abuse would have stopped.

  • @darkwhitedirewolf
    @darkwhitedirewolf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome video

  • @bwy553
    @bwy553 ปีที่แล้ว

    Darth Vader knows the deserves it too

  • @giritouchiha8733
    @giritouchiha8733 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's because Palatine told him a lie/ the truth because Padme did die but her children did not

  • @tommo101able
    @tommo101able 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    one the first Death Star when Luke uses the Force to grab his lightsabre Darth Vader could let Luke kill the Emperor, so why didn't he

  • @TrueSighted
    @TrueSighted 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Officer? Yes. Your empire? No.
    Long live the Republic! It will "Rise Again!"🥴🤣

  • @dmsticabuse2731
    @dmsticabuse2731 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I can confirm that on Mustafar, Vaders loss was strictly down to a *skill issue*

    • @fdgfdg2055
      @fdgfdg2055 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂😂100%

    • @royalmatt499
      @royalmatt499 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I think it was overconfident, hate, and arrogance.

    • @sirgalahad1376
      @sirgalahad1376 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He should have used skillshare.

    • @royalmatt499
      @royalmatt499 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@sirgalahad1376 or he could have been patient and not lunge at his enemy who has a tactical advantage.

    • @masonsundstad9464
      @masonsundstad9464 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Skill diff😩