Time is Different in The Bible
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- Is there a concept of time in the Bible? Is it like our modern understanding of time? We explore this issue and show how we understand time may not have been the same way to the biblical authors.
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“For many non-Westerners, procrastination is a virtue.”
So basically I was born in the wrong country.
We all were
@@InspiringPhilosophy Love ya brother Michael Jones I've been watching your Inspiring Philosophy ministry for over a year now. God has made Himself known to us human beings through Creation, our consciences and reality being studied historically, scientifically and Logically. Why do Atheists always justify thinking that God doesn't exist by citing immorality atrocities and suffering that we creatures experience as if it's explained by God's Non Existence? We don't need to explain Evil as it rains on the Just and Unjust as we live in a F-CKED UP WORLD 🌎🌍 😢. With God being God He's Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omnibenevolent but God's Foreknowledge which is His Omniscience doesn't eliminate Free Will and personal responsibility and accountability for our actions. No God created calamity not Evil there's a difference between calamity and Evil. It seems that Atheists in the comments section obviously don't understand that Free Will has a burden of moral responsibility and accountability for Good and Evil that we choose to do. OH SILLY ATHEISTS TRIX ARE FOR KIDS 🤣. It's crazy the silly arguments that Atheists make in defense of their LACK OF BELIEFS WHATEVER THAT MEANS 🤔🤣. Creation is indicative of a Creator so we can understand reality as a Creation which allows us to understand it scientifically because it's intelligently designed in a manner meant to suit the survival and prolonging of living creatures in their environment which is also suited to our necessities. Many Atheists, secular humanists and skeptics are very intelligent and logical but shows how dishonest their position can be in changing his standards for evidence by shifting the goalpost everytime it comes to what their standard of God's Existence being supported by evidence would be. It's obviously not the burden of proof for believers but God Himself to meet the burden of proof which He has for us Christian theists despite what Atheists claim are just unsupported claims. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a 23 year old Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
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Good message young Man, keep on seeking for truth in God, bc I can tell u love history...
As we always need to be guided by others to kno the truth. Even when we read history for ourselves we are still learning from our ancestors who experience trials before us...
So All the trials, and tribulations we have in our own lives just makes us stronger, especially with God on our side as a Christian believer who keeps the Commandments...
As God always has a human to help guide others that r lost on earth...
As we are ambassadors of Christ, and could help bring someone back to the truth when they're in error James 5...
So the only advice I will give u for apologetics, is put that same same spiritual hunger that you have for atheism,
& focus more on the heresies inside of christianity...
Keep on searching for the truth in ur own denomination of Christianity...
For 1 Corinthians 11 tells us why there is Division, & heresy inside the church, for we can grow more spiritual and seek for the truth. But not settle for jus truth, but seek the absolute truth, something atheist can't grasp. But in God we can always find that there's absolute truth in his true church...
So person that is very spiritual will be hungry to seek for the absolute truth, and will never settle in one spot & be content until he finds the absolute truth...
A lot of protestant Christians 2day are comfortably content inside whatever church denomination they belong to, especially in Western Christianity 2day. They'll see differences inside of protestantism, meaning in another denominations. But no one wants to be wrong, it's hard to admit. So their pride will kick in & they will start to believe everyone else is erroneous except their interpretation of the bible. when its still their own personal interpretation of scripture.
So they will become to believe they know how to interpret the Bible better, then the other denominations...
which this is the sin of pride, bc we all could be wrong. So we must not be intellectually dishonest with ourselves...
So one who is spiritually hungry, will be intellectually honest with themselves, & see the all heresies coming a mile away. They will be able to spot all the fallacies in arguments. Which watching debates against Catholics, and Protestants is real good to spot these fallacies...
So if ur intellectually honest with yourself, u will start to grow more spiritual every day and keep seeking, for that very 1st church Jesus Christ built in the 1st century. Bc he promised us all that the church will never ever ever fail.
Matt 16:18 that the gates of hell will never Prevail over his very 1st church he started.
And that very 1st church will learn more outside of scriptures, & be guided by the HolySpirit to all truth John 16:12-13. As we see in acts 15 they didn't use scripture to know this, they were told by being guided through the Holy Spirit on what to do.
That's why the church is the pillar, & ground of truth 1 Timothy 3:15;
Thats Why we must follow the traditions of the Apostles 2 Thessalonians 2:15.
Bc Jesus Christ promised he will be with that very 1st church until the end of time matt 28:19-20; & Jesus Christ don't break his promises
Keep reading church history, & read the early Apostolic Church fathers, read the Didache from the 1st century. Search for continuity inside diff churches, & never stop studying until u kno exactly what is the true church that Jesus Christ from the 1st.
God bless u on ur journey brother 🙏🏼💯🇻🇦m
@@InspiringPhilosophy Have you ever thought that if jesus second coming was at the end of time he was not supposed to appear to Paul
To much to long
I prefer the bible's use of time than modern western view of time. Always rushing and feeling like time is "wasted" just adds more stress to life.
Exactly
Exactly, and in an ironic twist... it makes you waste the time that God has given you.
Bible times a lot shorter than what you consider time my friend
@@cactusmalone they did care how many hours that's why they recorded it and placed exacts on them.
@@cactusmalone Noah's birth is absolutely clear it's after Babylon and 2500 bc and NO earlier ever ever. And same with adam's making with Yahweh 6th day of creation normal day like the other 7. After 3500 bc anti earlier and worse for you.
"things happen as they unfold... events or activities are not late or early they simply occur" POWERFUL!
.. yeah, really - just as events occur and unfold in their own way in modern times.
A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.
@@ovuzajemuta7935 came looking for this and was not disappointed.
The talk about the Indonesians showing up at church reminds me of Gandalf saying "A wizard is never late Frodo Baggins, Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.”
How did Tolkien do this?
@@bard5865 Tolkien was a devout Christian, as was CS Lewis, when writing their most famous books (LOTR for Tolkien and Chronicles of Narnia for Lewis) they each used their knowledge of the Bible to help create their worlds. For example, Frodo being a Christ like figure while Aragorn was more like King Arthur. With Lewis each of the Chronicles of Narnia book represented a seven deadly sins and there corresponding seven heavenly virtues. Also, there’s a line where Asian the lion says the kids know him by another name in England, meaning he is known as Jesus and his dad “the emperor’s over the sea” is God.
@@bard5865 The transition to a clock society occurred in the UK between 1800 and 1840. He was a linguist and historian.
I'm an Indonesian. I'm afraid the missionary was just reading too much into it, and the people who showed up later were really just being late. 🤣
"Siang" is simply the rough equivalent of the English "afternoon". More precisely, I take it to mean the range from 11 AM to 4 PM.
There is peace in seeing things as a series of events and processes, rather than plain time.
Thank you for this valuable perspective. I want more people to have it.
IP is absolutely 100% WRONG in this video - according to scripture!
See my comment above?
Can you explain why God passed Judgement on the world in the days of Noah, and why it began precisely on the 17th day of the second month? Prove me wrong...show me that you know Gods Word and tell me why He waited patiently until that EXACT DATE?
Did you know that the book of Revelation tells us the precise DATE that Israel will be attacked by a Nuclear Weapon that begins WW3, and starts the countdown of the last 1260 days of earth until He makes His SECOND APPEARANCE?
So you're an A theorist?
i am telling you man! i felt so much peace
Agreed. This is something I needed to hear and learn about and didn't even know it ❤
As someone with a background in linguistics, one of my pet peeves is the fallacious argument of: _"This culture didn't have a word for concept X, and this is evidence that they didn't have the concept in their culture or couldn't grasp the concept like we do."_
Do you know how many concepts we in the Anglosphere don't have an English word for, yet clearly understand and even discuss all the time? In some cases, we commonly borrow a foreign word because it succinctly describes a concept we all can easily grasp, like "Schadenfreude". In many cases, we don't have a word that exists in some other languages, so we just use full phrases to describe the concept when talking about it. "Mencolek" is a word that's often used in a way for which there is no English equivalent, and we do not borrow the word from Indonesian. It can refer to the action of tapping someone on the opposite shoulder from where you stand, so that they look the wrong way, as a joke. Did any of you not understand that concept until you learned the Indonesian word? How many of us played that kind of prank on someone as a kid, despite never hearing the word before?
When you start getting into Pragmatics and Sociolinguistics, you start to learn that there is a lot of unconscious underlying meaning expressed by the words in your language, and it can be different by culture/language... But there is also a lot of BS surrounding the differences we have in certain concepts. One good example is how the Inuit supposedly had 100+ different words for "snow" because they had to interact with it so often and understood it in dozens of ways we don't (hint: no they didn't; a function of polysynthetic languages is that you can often construct dozens of "words" regarding any noun, in ways that English would have to use a sentence to do).
Another word that we spread a lot of BS about is "time". Sure, some cultures spoke about it a little differently. But the majority of the differences we claim with amazement disappear when you either understand the language or spend a tiny bit of effort thinking about it. Sure, primitive cultures often describe time in terms of events, rather than the more abstract numbers on a clock. So that makes us super psychologically different, right? No - for us, 3:00pm is an event (at least in the abstract); primitive societies don't have clocks, so they prioritize events that they are familiar with, like when the tide comes in. What about the church where services started when the temperature was right, rather than at a specific time - that's a weird thing we never do, right? ...Have you ever gone boating on a windy day? What time do you start? You start when the wind dies down - _ooh, exotic_ right? If you live in a culture that is much less busy than modern, industrialized culture, there's no real need to schedule everything out so precisely; that doesn't mean you experience time differently. When most of your society works on farms before the invention of lightbulbs, things like "sunrise" and "sunset" are much more useful events than "6:00am" or "7:30pm"; that doesn't mean you experience time differently.
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But actually, seriously, what did you think of the video? Simple pet peeve or complete refusal of the premise?
You almost made sense but I don't see 3pm as an event the same way I see Christmas as an event. There's something very different going on when I process the two. You want to pretend that we think of them the same or atleast I think of them the same but don't reaaalllyyy know it. I reject that.
I think you completely missed the point of this video so I'm going out of a limb here and assume you didn't actually finish watching it before making this comment.
actually "mencolek" is translated to "to poke" in English. It's to touch someone with your finger
I agree with your point here. To many, way to many speak and seek "deeper truths", mostly out of vanity. Time is time, regardless if you lived 100, 1000, 4000 years ago. Many of the gospel parables alone debunk a premise he's making in this video. This video is an example of straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel.
As an Indonesian, I was a bit surprised when IP mentioned the concept of "siang" hahaha. Thanks for creating great video!
Orang Asia Tenggara saking langkanya disebut sama orang barat jadi gampang bangga sekalinya disebut😂. Gara2 IP aku jadi tau kenapa orang Indo ga tepat waktu wkwkw, yang penting kondisinya enak baru mulai ngelakuin sesuatu.
@@alfonsuskristo1624 'jam ngaret' 😅
“The past is in front of them, but the future is behind them” probably one of the most compelling and profound things I’ve heard in a while
well i guess we cant see what happens behind us so it makes sense
This is sooo fascinating. Thoroughly enjoyed this.
Good job, brother, you have a stack of likes!😂😂😂
Let's just face it, IP is absolutely the best.
Thank you
He is.
This man helped bring me back my faith
Yeah, but D. Wood is his teacher 😋
@@GraceOnly david wood? Not really. IP gor his masters in philosophy, I am pretty sure professors are hai teachers like they are mine
One of the things I love about this channel is that you try to honestly represent the context of the scriptures. I grew up in Mexico and Puerto Rico, and in those places, the concept of time is not the same as it is in the USA (at least it used to be that way). Americans who wanted to start an event at, say, 8am, would tell Mexicans or Puerto Ricans it started at 7am, because the Mexicans or Puerto Ricans never showed up "on time" according to the Americans. For the Mexicans or Puerto Ricans, however, they were never late, and a specific meeting time was not a specific time, but rather a period of time, Eight am meant morning.
In Spanish, the word "now" is "ahora". However, when I lived in Mexico, I learned the common word "ahorita". This word is a sort of "now", as in they will get to it "nowish". The notion of time as in strict hours and days is not at all universal.
Facts 🤣
South Africans have a similar term , “just now.”
This applies to Pacific Islanders too 💫
lol I had this issue with my Mexican wife. In white Euro/American culture it's considered rude to show up late. If I'm told to be somewhere at 8:00 and I show up at 8:30 or 9:00 then I've demonstrated that I have no respect for the people/person who summoned me at that time. Of course it's not that way at all in Latin American culture, they are always late and it has nothing to do with respect.
"Puerto Rican time" is a term we all use and understand in the island. 😂😂😂
This reminds me of CS Lewis’ Screwtape Letters where he says the present is the closest thing to eternity humans can experience. Understanding time as a succession of processes and defined by the events predisposes you to focus on the present instead of the future like we do. That’s the impression I get at least
Man you made me know scripture even better about various topics like sabbath or young creationism rapture etc.... GOD bless you keep doing the work you do appreciate what your doing.❤👍🏼👍🏼
This is the hardest video to understand for me, because of such cultural difference…it would be great if you did a video looking at specific passages through this lense and explain how the text is different if we look at it through the eyes of the ancient isrealites.
Love your channel and your videos, I’ve grown so much through them!
Genesis 1 is the most common conversation with this understanding in mind:
With this understanding it's a plausible thought that the world was not created in 7 literal days but 7 stages.
@@bufficliff8978 mind blown 😱
You can read more in ie 'Misreading Scripture with Western Eyes' and 'Misreading Scripture with Individualist eyes', both fantastic books. The story of Richards in Philippines is from the first book :)
That's supported by the fact that a day is literally the time it takes for the earth to make a full rotation, and the whole universe obviously wasn't measured in this time scale at the time of Creation, nor when genesis was written.
@@deerlow1851 Let's examine this hypothesis. Genesis 1:1-5 states,
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day."
It is early described as there was evening and there was morning, signifying a day. Well, what is the Hebrew word for "evening" and how was it used in other passages?
Was it used to represent ages of time or literally the night cycle of a day?
Let's find out....
‘e·reḇ is the Hebrew word for evening. It is used multiple times in the Old Testament.
"It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.”
Leviticus 23:32
Is a Sabbath rest for a long period of time or a literal night cycle?
"“If any man among you becomes unclean because of a nocturnal emission, then he shall go outside the camp. He shall not come inside the camp, but when evening comes, he shall bathe himself in water, and as the sun sets, he may come inside the camp."
Deuteronomy 23:10-11
Does evening mean he has to wait for a long period of time or a literal night cycle?
"Evening and morning and at noon I utter my complaint and moan, and he hears my voice."
Psalm 55:17
Is this talking about long periods of time or the morning, noon and evening literal day cycles?
These are just three examples. There are many more.
It is clear that these passages have to mean literal day cycles to represent "evening."
In Genesis the phrase "And there was evening and there was morning, the ________ day" is repeated after each event.
Comparing this to other passages, we clearly see that literal day and night cycles were understood at that time. Plus, the context literally does mean a day and night cycle.
For, none of the other passages make and sense to mean long periods of time, rather than a literal night and day cycle.
For, as quoted above, is the Sabbath a long period of time or based upon a literal day and night cycle?
Solid video .. preciate your work brotha man
Another excellent video! While I was familiar with the concept, this helped clarify it for me greatly. Thank you for your great work!
Me too. I just looked up the century to which the first sundial was dated = 800 BC in Egypt, the first hourglass only appeared in the 14th century AD.
And if you think about the cultures around 3000 BC, then you will notice that the well-known historical sites with their "gates"/"gaps" let the sun through at certain times of the year.
(Example: Stonehenge/England; Nebra-Unstrut/Germany).
Fascinating video...yet why do I feel that this has pulled the rug out of everything I understand about the Old Testament? I am only now coming to grips with the great chasm that lies between Semitic and Hellenistic thought. So much to learn! Thank you.
Makes so much sense! Thank you for bringing so much logic to our faith, I for one had many problematic questions I had answered by your channel.
God bless!
This echoes in me a sense of time when I was a young child in the 1950's ! There was an immediacy and an "endless"ness of time. Things just happening.....I loved the idea of the inversion of what is before us (future or past) and what is behind us (past or future). This was brilliant!
That was so profound. What an original topic, atleast for me. You should make a short out of this and we should make it go viral. You have such deep thoughts my friend. God bless your ministry.
Marvelous research and study. Truly well done and insightful!
I feel like there is a problem with this: the Torah teaches at least some strict counting of time: Sabbaths every 7 days, Sabbath years every 7 years, Jubilees every 7 Sabbath Years. The feast calendar was not so fixed, being based on lunar-solar cycles (observable events), and most would measure more by these, but someone in the society had to be keeping track of these things. Though iirc it isn't clear if Jubilees were ever observed in practice, the other two certainly were by the second temple era.
This seems to be an important omission.
(And yes, I do know that it is briefly mentioned, but I find it weird to discuss cultures that kinda just wing it compared to the jews who had a regular calendar which involved a lot of things, such as showing up to Jerusalem at certain times each year.
How IP's thesis and the ritual calendar interact is something that merited discussion
The video has a point, but it clearly spills over in to agenda. It's a tainted viewpoint using some scraps of reality to support a much larger supposition. There is way too much stretching on certain dates if you want to call them all purely symbolic. You bring up excellent points too, though. So thank you. Oh, and the fact Christ's arrival was so well anticipated that someone LITERALLY TRIED TO KILL CHRIST AS A CHILD BY MASS SLAUGHTERING MALE CHILDREN based on the very specific time table given in prophecy. And would have succeeded without God's intervention.
Lack of ability to finely measure it does not mean lack of awareness or utilization of it. The methods to mark the time are different and WORTH KNOWING so we may understand (like the next day begins with sundown.. not midnight. personally I've come to realize this is far more intuitive). Also worth considering, yes, our current method of counting time like misers does interfere with basic practical reasoning. Some things are done when they are done, and the time they become done is why that period becomes important. Not necessarily the other way around.
Granted, in considering it deeper, I find God can have it both ways. The issue is more our limited perspective.
Great point brother and the whole day the whole year . The importance of these and the Festivals is not understated in the Good Book.
New Testament interpretations seem suggest that these are all symbolic, especially in Galatians 4:8-11 were Paul warned against Christians who observed “days, months, seasons and years” and called these “weak and worthless elementary principles of world”
@@chenyansong Isn't that taking that out of context? Paul is talking about being in bondage to the law and those who want to go back to it. He's not talking about symbology.
Thoroughly enjoyed this and made many notes. Thank you for an excellent presentation.
This is probably not so in topic but I love Christmas songs. I love Christmas vibes. But i never feel them in December because it ends and people just tend to ignore it after Christmas dsy. However, i listen to Christmas throughout the year depending on the vibe, weather and the like. In my country Zambia, It rains in December so whenever its dark and cloud be in May till July ehen its the cold season or November when the rains begin i listen to Christmas music. That and it helps me write better. So i think for Christmas is not about December but rather whatever time i feel like it. Lol.
Imma see myself out now. 😂
Excellent! I learned a very important perspective. Thank you!
My brain broke. Thanks IP. God bless you.
Amazing as always! I learn so much with each video!
So our employees are just on biblical time.😂 they aren't late, they just werent ready to work yet. Some aren't ready even after they show up.
Things wouldn’t work too well on that basis
@@reality1958 tHaT wOuLd Be ChAoS
@@GeoffBosco indeed
The ages of people in Genesis were definitely literal because God doesn't lie about things like that concerning the ages of people like Methuselah in Genesis who lived several hundreds of years to nearly a thousand years. Love brother Michael Jones I've been watching his Inspiring Philosophy ministry for over a year now. God has made Himself known to us human beings through Creation, our consciences and reality being studied historically, scientifically and Logically. Why do Atheists always justify thinking that God doesn't exist by citing immorality atrocities and suffering that we creatures experience as if it's explained by God's Non Existence? We don't need to explain Evil as it rains on the Just and Unjust as we live in a F-CKED UP WORLD 🌎🌍 😢. With God being God He's Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omnibenevolent but God's Foreknowledge which is His Omniscience doesn't eliminate Free Will and personal responsibility and accountability for our actions. No God created calamity not Evil there's a difference between calamity and Evil. It seems that Atheists in the comments section obviously don't understand that Free Will has a burden of moral responsibility and accountability for Good and Evil that we choose to do. OH SILLY ATHEISTS TRIX ARE FOR KIDS 🤣. It's crazy the silly arguments that Atheists make in defense of their LACK OF BELIEFS WHATEVER THAT MEANS 🤔🤣. Creation is indicative of a Creator so we can understand reality as a Creation which allows us to understand it scientifically because it's intelligently designed in a manner meant to suit the survival and prolonging of living creatures in their environment which is also suited to our necessities. Many Atheists, secular humanists and skeptics are very intelligent and logical but shows how dishonest their position can be in changing his standards for evidence by shifting the goalpost everytime it comes to what their standard of God's Existence being supported by evidence would be. It's obviously not the burden of proof for believers but God Himself to meet the burden of proof which He has for us Christian theists despite what Atheists claim are just unsupported claims. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a 23 year old Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@@reality1958 OH NO IT'S YOU 😂
Most excellent! I'd heard some of these terms before, but this video really pulled it all together for me.
Glad this was helpful
Superb! So insightful and even changing some aspects of my life such as prayer and devotional time.
One of your best! Bookmarked to listen on repeat.
I can confirm this as an Indonesian.
'Siang' really do refers as a state and its really more relative than what your source was saying. For example, in a context that we are late for work, even 6.00 AM could refer to 'Siang'.
And you are right we tend to procastinate A LOT. I'm an individualist and more of a 'Western' type of guy due to my education, so i loath this kind of practice.
Thank you for providing more context.
Benar sekali
I remember learning that (biblically) how people have changed dates and times... E.g. days and Callender dates.
Even remembering a pastor told us in a church grew I up in that these these "church" service times (eg 9:30am-12pm on Saturdays) was set up for the family/farming culture at the time and just became tradition. And people who didn't understand get mad that you can't change the church times and have to stick to those times...
Its a Sabbath keeping church. Then the fact on Sabbath is the whole day (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset). And not based on the few hours at church. And the times based in the clock change depending on the season... Summer the sunset be around 6pm but in winter be earlier. And less daylight time.
I'm not that great with this "time" and get caught up with not managing time well or running out of time 😔
Because of need to be more disciplined/structured with what we should be doing with "our" time. Use it wisely...
I did think how good it would be and naturally we should be growing and flowing through time how we should be in true God's good image with Christ and Holy Spirit. When God is truely leading us all with our "free will".
@Notim Its literally what he said in this video. 'Time' is more subjective and related to a function/event rather than an organized one. If you set it in absolute way like that, you're likely Western-educated as well.
I would have NEVER thought of this. Ty. 🤯
“A Wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to”
-Gandalf the GOAT
Thank you for this interesting episode. In my anthropology courses in college I remember learning about some less absolute conceptions of time in other cultures.
God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
This sounds cool
I hope IP talks about Einstein ideas and Michael Heisers thoughts
I will watch when I have time
This is something I've been wondering about as i've been learning irish & scottish gaelic. In irish the word for time 'am' or 'amsir' literally means a season, and it seems to be connected with the notion of the physical change of the world (eg amuigh means 'outside'). A lot of root words with 'm' in them seem to refer to various things connected to 'that which is around oneself', in fact the word for that concept itself is 'im'. Glad to have a little more of my suspicions strengthened by watching this, and learning that other similar tribal cultures had similar 'physical' concepts of time as changes in the world rather than an abstract invisible clock
Thank you, Michael Jones, every one of your videos is a bingeworthy godsend, filled with wisdom. It's been four years incorporating the principles of the Torah into my life as a Christain (such as keeping Passover, Pentecost and Sukkot along with Christmas and Easter) and I completely resonate with this. I think it is significant why God said to rest on the Sabbath (the fourth most important word of the ten words!) It is about the culmination of time and eternity It is for us to participate in settling down, ceasing and appreciating the order God has made in our lives and in the cosmos. I think God's sabbath for modern Westerners will give us a new appreciation for the ancient worldview of time For me, it has been a blessing to slow down from the neck-breaking speed of quotidian Western existance.
You could have spoken about the Sabbath and the high sabbath during the seven moedim Levitical holidays) They were cyclical temporal patterns of seven - completeness - and they do not have a correct date on a calendar, they occur during periods and seasons of the year such as barley, grape and wheat harvests and during summer and winter. The moedim were all about ceasing from work, helping the needy by giving a tenth of what you owned to the needy and celebrating God with family and community. They contain wisdom for us to live properly today.
@@snopespeerreview The Passover feast was about God's salvation from death. During the feast, there were three main days. The Eucharist ritual comes from the first sabbath of Unleavened Bread (Passover meal) where the Unleavened Bread was eaten for seven days - the body of Christ of humility - and the wine (the blood of Christ ) used during the traditional meal. It ends a week after with a sabbath. First Fruits Sunday is the first Sunday after a Passover - Easter Sunday - and this is when Christ resurrected. 50 days after First fruits is Pentecost-also a sabbath and a time for gathering as a church.
@@snopespeerreview - No! Being nailed to the cross was merely the end of the Temple Services with Sacrificing of animal blood, and Traditions that separated Jews from Gentiles, like their clean and unclean foods laws.
Read very carefully and try to understand what Paul was saying in Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.
Now according to Ephesians 5:30 we BELIEVERS are Members of His Body, so what Paul was really saying here, is that WE BELIEVERS are supposed to continue to cast these shadows of New Moon Days, Feast Days, and Sabbath Days. That's why Paul says in Acts 18:21... I MUST BY ALL MEANS KEEP THIS FEAST WHICH COMETH IN JERUSALEM... but this only appears in the KJV - not other Bibles. Why?
Then later in Romans 14 this verse is removed from most Bibles except KJV 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; AND HE THAT REGARDETH NOT THE DAY, TO THE LORD HE DOTH NOT REGARD IT.
Meaning to say, that those who do regard certain days, do so because they regard the Lord. But those who do not regard any of the Lords Days - do not regard the Lord.
Now you can see why all the Apostles and Disciples also kept the day of Penetecost in Acts 2? They didn't count 50 exact days, but they followed the Instructions of God in Lev 23 and counted 7 Sabbaths after He had risen, and the day following the 7th Sabbath was the day of Pentecost of the 50th day, despite it not actually being the 50th day according to Gods Calendar. Otherwise God would have simply said, keep the 8th Day of the 3rd Month, exactly as He did for Passover being the 14th day of the 1st Month ABIB - not January.
Cheers! Very well done, thank you very much.
13:34 now I can finally whole heartedly accept the figurative explanation of the biblical ages. Thank you
Thank you. Very informative
It sounds like time in RPG games
If you don't end the quest the next chapter will not happend.
Chronos go on but Kairos go independent from it.
Good analogy 👏
Thank you for doing this! Im for sure going to read some of those source books
The stuff about numbers being symbolic is a good thing to note for anyone that thinks that Daniel 9 was a ticking clock that was supposed to count down to the week that Jesus got killed
IP, one of my biggest hang ups with the concept of particular numbers to be used for symbolic messaging, particularly regarding the Genesis genealogies is that I've never heard a good explanation of what that symbolic messaging might be. What's significant about 969 years? What's significant about 930 years? They surely don't mean the same thing or they'd be the same numbers. Yes, I've seen how these sorts of numbers can be factored off by various digits, but as far I see it, it's just a theory until someone actually backs it us and explains how they're symbolic. Do you have any more insight into that particular concept? I've seen your video regarding the genealogies and heard Dr. Falk mention them as well, but still have never heard what those numbers mean.
Agreed. I think in some cases, the number of years were likely symbolic, but in others they were more likely literal within the scope of Hebrew understanding, not necessarily exact 24 hour periods as we think of them but a "day" being a period of light and dark.
Like Jesus being 33 years old at his ascension didn't necessarily mean 1,094 sets of 24 hours, but however many periods of light and dark were in a Hebrew year.
I think IP has the right idea but maybe takes it a bit too far.
I think in another video he showed how all the numbers from Adam to Moses add up to 12600 years or something like that.
However, as you point out, it does little to explain what each individual piece of data means. And this 12600 also relies on the Masoretic text. This method does not work with the (arguably) better LXX dates. In fact the changes to the numbers point towards a deflation by the 10th century Masoretic, rather than an inflation by the LXX (if the goal is the add 100 years to several of the people before Abraham, why has one only been increased by 50 years? What specific goal was inflating the LXX trying to reach? Whereas if the original number as presented by LXX for Terah is correct (79 If memory serves), then it would be impossible to decrease it by 100 years, resulting in a 50 year deflation by the scribes. I think there's also a change in one of the people from Levi to Moses by 5 years, and possibly even the removal entirely of one individual:
In other words, it looks like the symbolic "12600 years" was actually based on intentional changes after the time of Christ, arrived at by scribe's targeted alteration of the text. Also Jews use this to argue the invalidity of Hebrews, because of the claim surrounding Jesus and Melchizedek. By shrinking the ages in Genesis, it makes Shem's life overlap Abraham. So the Jews argue Shem is Melchizedek and therefore Levi inherited the priesthood through Abraham when he met Shem.
But yes, you have rightly pointed out the largest hole in the whole "symbolic numbers argument". Symbolic for what exactly?
Exactly. I’m open to it, but I need better examples. And how Adam could have had many more “years” compared to someone like Moses. Years being their supposed life events or something. And how as it got closer to the events of exodus, peoples “ages” just got smaller. And God saying that His spirit won’t sustain humans forever because we’re flesh, so they’re numbered 120. I’d like to see explanations for this.
The ages of people in Genesis were definitely literal because God doesn't lie about things like that concerning the ages of people like Methuselah in Genesis who lived several hundreds of years to nearly a thousand years. Love brother Michael Jones I've been watching his Inspiring Philosophy ministry for over a year now. God has made Himself known to us human beings through Creation, our consciences and reality being studied historically, scientifically and Logically. Why do Atheists always justify thinking that God doesn't exist by citing immorality atrocities and suffering that we creatures experience as if it's explained by God's Non Existence? We don't need to explain Evil as it rains on the Just and Unjust as we live in a F-CKED UP WORLD 🌎🌍 😢. With God being God He's Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omnibenevolent but God's Foreknowledge which is His Omniscience doesn't eliminate Free Will and personal responsibility and accountability for our actions. No God created calamity not Evil there's a difference between calamity and Evil. It seems that Atheists in the comments section obviously don't understand that Free Will has a burden of moral responsibility and accountability for Good and Evil that we choose to do. OH SILLY ATHEISTS TRIX ARE FOR KIDS 🤣. It's crazy the silly arguments that Atheists make in defense of their LACK OF BELIEFS WHATEVER THAT MEANS 🤔🤣. Creation is indicative of a Creator so we can understand reality as a Creation which allows us to understand it scientifically because it's intelligently designed in a manner meant to suit the survival and prolonging of living creatures in their environment which is also suited to our necessities. Many Atheists, secular humanists and skeptics are very intelligent and logical but shows how dishonest their position can be in changing his standards for evidence by shifting the goalpost everytime it comes to what their standard of God's Existence being supported by evidence would be. It's obviously not the burden of proof for believers but God Himself to meet the burden of proof which He has for us Christian theists despite what Atheists claim are just unsupported claims. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a 23 year old Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@Skyler Harris The 120 years has nothing to do with age. It's basically a warning the flood will be in 120 years.
"the process of the church service is more important than time itself." We should all feel this way, about all of God's work.
You know this different perspective on the passage of time is something i want to apply to my bible study. Often times, I try to stick to a schedule of reading at least before i go to bed. But often times i read one or two verses in a random book of the bible and forget about it as soon as I close my eyes. I feel so... unsatisfied with that.
I want my bible study to stick with me. I want to know the God's word and learn from it. I want to ask questions and have the bible answer them. I want to memorize scripture and it's context.
One time I did a study on Covenants. Because i was wondering why that word kept popping up in the bible. What I learned from that study is still with me than just reading two or three scriptures and calling it a day.
So I will try it this way and see what happens. Thanks for the video
5:00 As a 21st century American, I can say definitively that winter does not start on a particular date each year.
It starts when it gets cold, no matter what the calendar says.
Thanks IP.
"And there was evening and there was morning, the nth day" for n = 1 to 6 in the first creation account in Genesis. That's a pretty clear time dimension with a well defined unit of measurement.
They didn't do it with more precision because they couldn't - they lacked the necessary technology.
i live in indonesia.
here, we perceive time very differently than the west.
we just let the flow unfold.
we never rushed things.
foreigner said we are often late for everything😂
it certainly messed up everything in modern world where you need exact time for transportation or technical procedure.
but we never have pressures as the western feel in their daily life.
eventhough we live a simple and modest life, we could savor the meaning of enjoying life.
There’s a time and place for both uses of time
I’m going to start thinking of time in these terms as well
Hey IP, can you do a video on slavery in the Bible? I have lately been seeing a lot of videos on my feed of people like dillahunty and Aron ra criticizing the Bible for condoning slavery.
See here: th-cam.com/video/93JdjLqBQqE/w-d-xo.html
Those two would slam the Bible if it spelled out the cure for cancer. Ignore them. They are neither fair nor scholarly, IMHO.
Very intresting very intresting so much richness not just biblical but also for new fantasy and sci-fi stories! So much new stuff!!
Clearest explanation I’ve seen of cyclical time yet! Thanks IP
Thank you!
Morning and evening were the first day...
That feels like a statement of time
Yes, but if you want to bring in confusion you say "Time is Different in The Bible".
"You should not trust the first page of the Bible" is very typical from people who do the enemy's work.
As satan said “Hath God Said?”.
The Bible (the word of God) literally say "“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.”".
If the devil wanted you to doubt what God said, well...
Wow, I really enjoyed this video
This is awesome sauce. I have tried to articulate this before but now I can just show people this video LOL
You missed the perfect Dr who reference - “People assume that time is a strict progression from cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.”
You got a new subscriber this is thought provoking stuff
For the baptists “Siang” is when the donuts arrive
That was a great video. I finally may have a grasp of how time is used in the bible. Very cool
Love you IP ❤
This is cool information. But I feel like IP is stretching it a little. How do you know the biblical writers had the same idea of time as some other ancient cultures? Did EVERY ancient culture view time this way? Just because time is viewed differently, like he mentions at the beginning it being more of events and not correlating with a 24-hour clock, doesn’t mean days and years were different. When it says David reigned 40 years, he probably reigned for 40 years lol
There's a lot of focus today on how the internet has negatively impacted culture and society...and it has, but at the same time we live in a golden age of accessible theological content that is able to open hearts and minds on a scale never before imaginable. So cool to have such a wealth of this kind of content at my fingertips. We are on the cusp of a new generation of education and scholarship that will continue to propel the kingdom of Jesus forward with countless new, well-equipped disciples.
Makes sense. Good vid
Thank you! Excellent explanation. Can't stand it when people try and find truth in scripture through the modern understanding of things rather than first understanding how ancient thought and write.
No man understood prophecy through their own knowldge but the holy spirit.
They had specific dates for the sabbath and other festivals specifically those on the 7th and expanding 7 increments like jubilee.
Time was very important and specific to them. Did they divide days into 24 hour periods? Hard to say, did they have sundials? Time would be important and specific then. You dont need a sundial to tell morning, noon, evening and night but specific timeframe.
I have gotten to the point where i just like the video before i watch it. I already know it will be good.
Good work! :)
A very fascinating video for Christians and Non-Christians alike!
Wow such a great video
Interesting how this highlights both the pros and cons of the ancient view of time as well as the modern, Western view. Certainly, in terms of a life lived, the way the ancients thought is far more appealing (and probably sane). But from a scientific standpoint (the units of time we use to measure all sorts of modern technology and other breakthroughs) the Western form is superior.
What this also highlights, is the massive divide in cultures who view time one way or another and how it can easily be incredibly difficult to "integrate" them together as opposed to letting them exist separately from each other. But that's a whole other topic.
Either way, incredibly appreciative of videos like this which make sense of a LOT of things that were unfortunately hand waved away as I grew up in the church (and would also explain why it's so hard for modern preachers to preach from the OT outside of your "tried and true" segments (i.e. David, the miracles that took place, etc.)
Part of the difference between ancients and us is the span of communication and its cost and the pace of life. Then the span was organically small but very expensive for anything outside the immediate circle; the pace went at the pace of seasons and animal husbandry. Today it doesn't. The pace is set by the rapid and cheap communications we have and their global reach.
That was more interesting than I expected...... many thanks for your time IP and God bless you. Hopefully in the new Kingdom we will revert back to this concept as I am sure we will be happier for it...... will time matter if we live for ever...... I hope not.
Gilly wife of Mark
It’s like when I lived in Australia and would spend time traveling through Fiji. Things happened on island time or Fiji time. Things always seemed delayed yet always on time. Haha It took a while to get used to but was a great way to do life.
About five months ago I had a strange Idea about time, something no one else has proposed as far as I'm aware still. But I got stuck, kinda hit a wall. Two days ago I spent the whole day trying to work it out & make more sense of it. Tonight I came across this video and it's very interesting. In fact, there are a few key parts that agree with what I came up with. this video doesn't explain how it came up with that same thing, but I explain it the best I can for what I got. I think there's defenitely something in here that's going to help me put another piece of the puzzle together.
So it's August 3rd ,2023 , 5:42 PM. I think I finally figured out what I was looking for, something important I was missing that really helped ! the pieces of the puzzle actually fit together now! Took longer than I thought it would but I don't think it is something that can be rushed into, I had to learn some things. Figure out how I was thinking wrong and then figure out what I was thinking right & adjust my ideas according to better understanding. The most accurate understanding of what "time" really is, is that it's movement through space. We experience it as passing from the present into the future but we think about it more abstractly because we can remember the distant past and can think about the far future, but every moment we experience is either the near future or the recent past but we're never really in either position nor are we ever really in the present "now". Because all things in the universe are in motion through space then that means that, in order for one to truly be in the "present" one would have to exist beyond the physical space of the universe, one would have to be "timeless" to truly be "present".. And I think that's very interesting!..I have an idea now why mass causes the displacement of the 4th dimension or "time" now that I understand that movement through space is more accurate then was better for understanding how motion over a two dimensional space would be different from motion through three dimensional space would change. And if an image of 3 dimensional mass was embedded into a 2 dimensional image on a 2 dimensional surface, which would be adding a layer of depth that would not otherwise be there, then how would movement through 2 dimensional space between 3 dimensional objects effect our experience of the passing of time compared with how we experience it as we do. If movement through space then better matches how we experience the passage of time on 2 dimensional space between 3 dimensional objects on the surface of that space, then it's far more probable that the universe is only 2 dimensional and that all the 3 dimensional mass is what gives it depth. Then the real question is, how can 3D mass exist within 2D space? Unless the universe is only an image or a reflection of something more true and more real, like a photo is, or a 3D drawing, or a reflection in a mirror that is similar to what reality really is but it only exists within the image of itself on a flat surface. We think we are the ones infront of the mirror but I think it's possible that we are actually the reflection. The ones looking outward from a surface we see 3 dimensions but we can't see past the edges of the mirror or the surface that the mirror itself is mounted on. In the bible God says He created man in His image... why image? I think that's interesting too because a lot more of what we observed about the universe is better explained if we were 3 dimensional embedded within a 2 dimensional space..but the only way for that to be our reality is if we were really only just a reflection of something much greater and more real than ourselves.. I don't know it's just a thought though I'm working on next. What about it works, and what doesn't? And what can be tested or proven? And how do I go about it afterwards? I'll get there eventually. I'm closer than I was anyway.
Wow!!! I understood everything you just wrote. It was complex but I see it. I’ve had a revelation but with the idea that more “real “ dimension is 4D and maybe even 5D with the same understanding you explained between 2D and 3D. Something we have never experienced so don’t know but is what we are a reflection of. What #D is God in? and how much does he want us to know? This I have understood to be God’s wisdom. Things only He can tell us and he actually wants to and so revelations occur when we question. I’m very interested in your next revelation.
My missionary trip to Nepal was the right place for me to understand how to best manage my time.
This is a helpful concept for me, that I was missing, for making sense of End Times prophecies. Some contradictions start to go away when conceived as events that take place relative to other events, rather than at specific calendrical dates.
Also, I was listening to a Theory of Everything by the guy with the highest recorded IQ of anyone alive(Christ Langan, I think). I didn't understand all of it, but he uses a concept he calls "Meta-Time" which seems to refer to a logically necessary sequence of unfolding, but which can take place all simultaneously in the temporal dimension.
For example, in computer programming, you can think of a logical flow-chart of 'and/or gates': a flow of logical conditions being met or not met in order for subsequent gates to be encountered. But the speed of the unfolding is irrelevant to the logical flow. Indeed, in the flow chart itself, which is sort of the 'source-code' of the unfolding events, all of the events take place at once.
This strikes me as very similar to the older Kairos concept of time, as being the relationship of logical necessity between events, such that one event requires or mandates another, or, alternately, for an event to occur, it's logical pre-conditions have to be met.
And this is indeed, the kind of description we get from prophets, of _when_ future events will occur. It is always in relation to other events or conditions. When x, y, an z, conditions are all met, then event A proceeds logically. But on what date that occurs depends very much upon our actions, thus our free will.
By analogy, if you see workmen carrying crates of two different chemical into a room, stacking them against the walls, and you know that these two chemicals explode if they come into contact, you can predict that, in time, or 'in due time(kairos),' a huge explosion is going to occur in that room. But how long it takes depends on too many tiny variables to track. The more people go in there and mess around, the sooner it will occur. If rats or termites gnaw on the wood, it will occur sooner.
People can make probabilistic estimates for a calendar date or which they think the explosion is most likely to occur. But these can be wildly off the mark. The boxes may last 10,000 years, if left undisturbed, while the wood slowly weakens, molecule by molecule. But if children are let in to play, it may explode the same day. Either way, the explosion is inevitable eventually; thus the prophecies of it are true, even if they give date estimates that come and go without event, or if date estimates vary from prophet to prophet.
also cause a lot of these things had to be recalled by memory. So it makes sense to relate time to processes. Think about how hard it is to remember every person's brithday, height, or even age. It is easier to remember who has a birthday in a season or time of the year, who is taller than who, and who is younger/older. We remember the significance of a sequence, but not exactly the number
InspiringPhilosophy: "For many non-Westerners, procrastination is a virtue"
Me: **Goes on my phone to plays Raid: Shadow Legends and forgets about deadlines, meetings and my Christian duties**
InspiringPhilosophy: You weren't supposed to do that
“The Bible t's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.” Doctor IP.
wonderful video
Amazing video! Please do a video on the bicameral mind 🙏🏼
So I definitely appreciate these perspectives, I think there's a lot here. I also think we're kind of over-complicating ancient agricultural societies. When seasons and stars and cycles demand a moderately precise recording of the calender for your survival (as they tend to in farming), I feel like assuming the times recorded were purely symbolic is also reading our anthropological lens onto the text. Especially when you had many ancient societies fairly obsessed with the stars. I'm not as well read, and I largely think you're spot on, and definitely think there's some validity here, to just throw out the years in OT scripture as symbolic and literary is... Short-sighted. And if ages represented importance how does that explain Enoch? Wouldn't Adam and Noah be the oldest? I know we might guess there's missing data. All I'm saying is maybe the God that fine tuned the universe let some of it be symbolic... And maybe He also inspired people to write it simple and straight forward enough for 5 year olds to understand, while confounding the learned and wise. (Matthew 11:25-26, referencing, not quoting)
I think you have a good point, but there is a LOT of misinterpretation and superimposition of modern assumptions in academia in general (though I do understand the need for a framework). Some of the most up to date scholarship is probably still does it in different ways than they used to. The worst one as far as I'm concerned is the assumption that ancient people were somehow dumber than we are. I think it is a social evolutionary idea that we just can't seem to shed - but we seem to be trying. Maybe in God's time we will.
@@danatowne5498 You're totally right, we just have to be careful not to do what we as humans are so prone to, and "the the baby out with the bath water" as we gain a better understanding of our ancient ancestors.
@@mcpartyhikes8636 , thank you. I couldn't agree more! :)
Agreed, I had similar thoughts. Ancient people may not have been as precise as we are with measuring and tracking time, but they definitely did it in a similar way - they kept track of years, lunar months, days, weeks etc. I also think he doesn't give modern concepts of time proper dues - we also have ideas like "history repeats itself," & think of history in terms of periods of succession or events and not purely dates (dating things is more a means of better tracking and understanding them, but the processes and events are certainly part of it). Or like, in English "forever" doesn't always mean literally forever, just like in Hebrew - it can mean a very long time, or even what *feels* like a very long time, or until the natural conclusion of something (eg being married forever really means until one or both partners dies). We under these things based on context. But he doesn't seem to acknowledge the overlap with our own understanding, in favour of making it seem super super different.
I did enjoy some of the concepts he introduced, though. There's some good food for thought there.
I agree. IP acts as if the modern concept of time developed in a vacuum rather than being an off-shoot from the formerly ancient cultures.
Egypt did have sun-dials afterall. They kept time as best they could with the technology they had and it is rather silly to make the concept of time so abstract based on a selective set of evidence.
The ancient people's sense of time isn't nearly as far removed from ours except in terms of precision. They didn't have the same obsessive view of minutes, seconds, and even hours like we do. However, they absolutely kept track of the days and months and seasons and years.
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“A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.” Gandalf the Grey
Very well presented. I now have another view of the Bible and God's Word. In His Time has a broader meaning now.
I find this strangely calming.
This makes so much sense in light of the Biblical narrative. Genesis begins with Eden and Revelation ends with it. We are advancing back to the Garden of God, moving forward into the past of God's future destiny for his image bearers.
Wow you really ripped me out of my cultural river...
I'd propose that ancient cultures were more focused on the procession of events because they were more connected to the "story" that we are a part of. Now, we who have given up any grand narratives can just stare at our watches and calendars.
The kairos / chronos distinction raises a surprising point about free will to some degree. On one side of the line, we are given the freedom to "delay" what needs to be fulfilled by our choices. On the other side of the line, the "story" is going to be completed as the Author has envisioned it; there is no stopping the what's must ultimately happen.
Thanks for your great videos and entertaining shorts.
I noticed this once about how ancient cultures talk about time, like for example let's say it rains like clockwork every 5 days, if it unexpectedly rained on the fourth or sixth day instead we would be completely caught off guard, in the metaphor of the "future in front of us" this would be like something flying towards you and vanishing the instant before it actually touches you, but this is the reality of how time works, some things can be predicted or orchestrated but nowhere near all of them.
This is an important and well needed explainer because this is actually one of the main things far too many modern people get frustrated with when trying to sort through the bible. (not only the bible but many other ancient writers). They did not write in this linear clock & calendar way that we are currently absolutely locked into. I wish they did! They just didn't. They loved measuring times from major events (example given was 'when a temple was built' and we don't necessarily get to know if they mean the 'announcement of a groundbreaking' or 'the opening day' or the dedication or what exactly. They'd probably think it would be WEIRD if someone insisted on putting a date like 980BC/09/21 and utterly bizarre someone wants to write "at 12:45 they met at the temple" would just sound like insane weirdness to them. Yes there are also some ways they describe a 'time' with numbers but that might be like idiomatic. Actually we do that today in some ways like I can't describe how much money this guy made but I say "Oh he made a million dollars off that!" and even 'that's a million times better!' and in my family culture there are things like "10,000" but its not literally saying exactly 10,000 but its like 'so many you can't keep counting its that many!'. and it can even mean like 'eternity' sort of like 'into the future' because its so many 'years' of time of longevity its like 'forever' not literally may you only be happy 10,000 exact years from today and then not be happy.
All of this back to the broader point:
Yes they understood time in a different way than we do.
We should not try and superimpose our lineal 'clock' demands into their text.
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This whole video gave off a very “A wizard is never late” vibe
In a number of videos you've said numbers are in many cases symbolic in ancient texts, but by and large don't say much about what specific numbers symbolize. Would you consider doing a video on numerological symbolism in Scripture to clear some of that up, or could you recommend a good source to start looking into this?
And this is precisely where the Exodus date debate starts. One of the most (if not THE most) controversial debates among Christians. You define where you stand in accordance to how (or if) you understand time in the Ancient Near East context.
Awesomely interesting 🤔 😉