Why We Know The Exodus REALLY Happened! w/ Dr. John Bergsma
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Dr. Bergsma gives evidence for a historical Exodus not a metaphorical or mythical story.
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The most fascinating part of the Bible is how both it’s supposed victories but also the smallest shame is recorded for the nation as well as individuals. That adds a level of reliability in itself
Right? It's mostly failures honestly. It would be weird for the Israelites to fabricate their own failures.
@@SeraphsWitness it’s a book of everything that went wrong because people failed to listen and love and honor their father and the books of wisdom are the recipes for how to properly obey him and the New Testament is the testimony of those who witnessed the perfect Son such that we could pick up our cross and follow him home to The Father who is waiting patiently for our return so that he may celebrate our reunion and the saints are those who eventually succeeded in returning home by walking in their perfect brothers footsteps
Exactly. What ancient historian would want to make up a fiction of their people being enslaved? surely a fiction writer could do better than that.
@@beestoe993
You should read the book of acts, quite a few similarities to a certain group of people who claim to be God's children but give false witness, rouse mobs based on lies, twist the law to falsely imprison or execute people.
That is because WE know that the Bible IS God's word, as 2 Timothy 3:16 aptly states, "All Scripture is God-breathed..." So going back to Exodus 20:8-11, God wrote on the tablets that HE created the world in six days. It did NOT "evolve" as evolutionists strive to claim.
If I remember my high school Ancient Egyptian history class, the reason we call Rameses the Great “the Great” is because his cartouche (name) was inscribed on a ton of buildings and monuments where it talked about who commissioned the project. Except if you look real close, you can see that a lot of the time there was another name carved there originally, and he had it erased and his name written there instead. (There was a thing in their religion where a person’s soul would live on as long as their name was written down or something like that, so scratching it out was a HUGH deal.) If a pharaoh was willing to destroy his country’s history and (in his view) literally damn his predecessors like that, I can _absolutely_ see someone erasing the record of the Exodus.
Quite a chasm between _I can see it happening_ and demonstrating it actually did. Discussions on the grounds of speculation would not be necessary if we had the archaeological evidence before us to debate instead.
@@derinderruheliegt having a name scrapped off monuments is observable though
@reddyforlenny9389 What was the name that was overwritten?
@derinderruheliegt idk hence why OP is making the point that whatever the Egyptians wanted to cover up is now lost to us, all we can do is hope something survived all this time which is extremely unlikely. History is written by the victors, and if there are no victors, those who are left.
@@reddyforlenny9389 And what I point out is that an unknown name being erased is not evidence for any specific event (unless it's "a name was erased"). Either way, _any_ written history has to be taken tentatively, even when corroborated with other written accounts (I'm speaking here in the general sense of _all_ history). When there is physical evidence (such as tools, structures, personal effects), one can start more substantially increasing the probability of the proposed event.
If one takes the view that 600,000 men, and those who accompanied them, departed in such haste that they had almost nothing with them, and that subsequently Egypt erased all records of the embarrassment, one is left to speculation about a lack of evidence.
The Pharaoh war tent thing explains why the nations around the children of Israel kept becoming terrified of them (or starting a war with them) - their camp structure looked like an unbelievably large army being led by a Pharaoh. If you were a ruler and that camp came up to your nation, you'd think that you were about to get invaded. Plus we know from Rahab in the book of Joshua that word about the Exodus had spread throughout the land, so they probably knew that the army coming towards them was the people whose God had just finished destroying Egypt.
Interesting theory. Only thing that I wonder however, is Num 14:14 implies that other nations knew about the pillar of cloud and fire, which would make it known to other nations that it was the Israelites and not the Egyptians. But it is possible that not all nations were aware, in which case that would make your theory even more terrifying. Imagine thinking the Egyptians are on your door step, and there is a giant pillar of fire in front of their camp 😂
Was this before or after they genocided the Amalekites? Because I think that horrific story would also cast forward a thundering shadow. Yes, them old Israelites sure liked to terrify other nations with the trheat of annexation and annihilation. You seem so delighted :-)
@wRAAh I doubt the fear of the Israelites from a military perspective was the case. After all, the Amalekites attacked and attempted a genocide against the Israelites when they were vulnerable in the desert after escaping Egypt (or at least, so they appeared, not taking into account they had Gods protection). They didnt have any military victories to speak of at the time. Thankfully that cowardly act of attempted genocide by the Amalekites resulted in them being cursed and destoyed. Uno reverse card. I for one am quite delighted at their annihalation, seeing as the Amalekites, like other Canaanite tribes, practiced child sacrifice and other abominations. Thank God that didn't become the norm.
@@marcushenning3594 The first problem with your argument, is that after millions and millions spent on archeology bij Israel to prove its 'birth right', not a single trace of a 40 year long mass exodus has been found between Egypt and Israel. Nothing. Did not happen. Apparently none of them died or even took a dump. What they did find, is older layers, full of Mother God statues. The second problem, is that the books of Moses in the Old Testament describe that when the Israelites attacked Canaan, they slaughtered not just the Amalekites, but almost all nations living there, except for a few city states. In those city states they tried conquering without cleansing. But these 'beasts' worshipped the wrong, despicable gods and had different cultures (like you say), so pretty soon they wished they would have slaughtered them all. Fast forward to today: the proto-zionists (before 1948) and the neo-zionists in Israel today use your story to justify atrocities. I really wonder what ethnically Jewish people think of this, because every time people like Netanyahu get criticized, they use Jewish suffering as a 'human shield'.
@@wRAAhhow is it a horrific story? Do you know how awful and wicked the Amalekites were? The atrocities they committed? You think they were nice people? They are described as an exceedingly wicked band of raiders and marauders who most likely raped and pillaged with impunity and you think them being wiped out is a bad thing?
Fascinating....now i have to find time to watch the whole interview
Another point is that whoever wrote the book of Exodus had strong knowledge of the agricultural landscape of ancient Egypt, it's seasonal harvests, and more. If, as some modern scholars claim, the Israelites never were in Egypt and never were wandering in the desert, but just developed out of the other peoples in the land of Israel at the time, that would be rather strange.
@@bdawg-qj9bqthis is a demonstrably false statement
@@bdawg-qj9bq I don’t see how your comment is relevant. They’re saying that whoever wrote the book of Exodus had accurate information about the landscape of Egypt.
That comment, to itself, really doesn’t have anything to do with Christianity.
@@josiahalexander5697 Not my fault that you can’t comprehend.
@@bdawg-qj9bq and you can prove all this right?
@@Pwnsweet Yeah. It’s well documented. Why don’t you look it up?
Doesn't surprise me the Hebrew descendants of Jacob, who spent 400 years as immigrants in Egypt, were culturally Egyptians in all but religion.
The truth is that many of them actually stayed. If you sit down to study the exodus with a Jew, they actually talk about the Erev Rav, the “mixed multitude”. They speak about how those who came were mostly Egyptians and others, not all were legit descendants.
They spent 215 years in Egypt (not 400).
@@ntmn8444
Nubians Cushites we’re intermarried and stuck with the Hebrews even fighting Assyrian and Babylon before captivity.
Both were Afro people not white jews
Another item to consider is that the overarching cultural milieu of the ANE was, while not monolithic, very overlapping.
@@finrodfelagund8668 I've seen a really great TH-cam video explaining this, can't rely which one but he makes the argument that the 400 years actually started counting from a point much earlier than their actual migration down into Egypt.
Keep it coming guys.
It was a single most disgraceful event in Egyptian history where even the Egyptian gods were brought low within the boundaries of their own land. To me I would be more surprised if they hadn't attempted to cover it up.
Even today, the Egyptian Dept of Antiquities tries to fit their discoveries around a Darwinistic frame, rather than classical.
Who that idiot AlMarwahi?
In fact, it seem their shame was shared with the rest of the litterate world, since no-one mention this god-backed, invincible horde genociding their way in Cannan for what, 1200 years? outside of the OT.
i was just reading St. John Chrysostom's homilies on Matthew, and in #6 he says the same thing about the rites and priestly articles that God gave the Exodus generation - they were modeled on existing pagan rituals in order to draw the Israelites away from paganism and towards Him. The prophets make clear that God didn't intend these rites to last forever, and they were always far less important to Him than moral rectitude and contemplation.
The Catholics have carried on that tradition or creating fake holidays to white wash pagan holidays for over a thousands years.
Can you share where I can read this?
Andrew in reply.... if God gave the EXODUS generation rites & priestly articles it would be in the Roman Catholic Bible... But it's not !
So God used pagan symbols to draws them from paganism...
I challenge you Andrew.
Youre right that God wanted the rituals to be somewhat familiar but as it says in Numbers 23:19, God does not change, and He keeps His promises.
Hoffmeier has a great book on this. Discusses Egyptian loan- words found in Exodus and other things that would suggest the writers had first hand knowledge of Egypt.
Israel was a small country next to a huge empire. Some one way cultural exchange would be expected. I mean, are you surprised that people in Mexico have heard of Mickey Mouse? Of course not.
@@kevinkelly2162Indeed one would expect that. However, the ratio of Egyptian loan words in the book of Exodus is much higher than any other book in the Pentateuch. I forget the ratio, but I hope you’ll trust me on this one. I believe this points to an Exodus even more
OK but you still have the question of how the hell did the Israelites get lost in the Sinai Desert for 40 years. I mean it is a couple of days walk on a well trodden path.But put all that aside for a minute. Now after the first two plagues Pharoh said OK you can go. But your god hardened his heart. If I remember correctly he did this a couple of times. What kind of immoral monster do you worship?@@fatstrategist
It's not just loan words, it's also names.
@@kevinkelly2162getting the words in general right could be accounted for that way, but getting the travel pathing right, the cultural iconography, the proper terms used correctly, and the structure and places for their time periods right would be nearly impossible hundreds of years after the fact. They didn't have expansive libraries back then that shared copies of books of history.
This was really good. Thank you.
Great content!! I'm new to the channel, looking forward to seeing more of your videos!!👍
Just want to say, as a Protestant, I do find your content edifying and enjoyable.
Become Catholic Maronite
@@alexhage8092quit your unbiblical traditions and praying to mortal men and women.
As a Prodestant...dont count on them for shite....corny pompous nonsense
@@fletcherg8601I would if they were unbiblical and didn’t actually work, unfortunately they are biblical and do work.
@@alexhage8092 No
This is one interview that I wish was much longer! 🤗
It is! The whole thing is about 2.5 hours. It’s posted now.
Yes give me more. I would like to study more...but if I can't, these videos are thoughtful and your guests are great at answering questions which come to my mind. Thanks.
Expedition Bible has many archeological evidences. So awesome. ❤
You want to learn something, Bruno? Let's see where you are at first in the education process, does the Bible describe the Israelites?
Thanks .
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The Egyptians did acknowledge at least some of their defeats.
However, in 1446 BC (the same year the Exodus occured) Amenhotep II captured over 100K slaves when he invaded Canaan (most likely to replace the Hebrew slaves he had freed a few months prior) He also outlived his oldest son who died mysteriously. Also Hapshepsut was the only daughter of Pharaoh at the time Moses was born in 1526 BC and only seven years old which is why she had to find someone else to nurse him. And after she died Thutmose III tried to erase her memory not because he was sexist but because he wanted to erase any memory of Moses.
Ramases II cannot be the Pharaoh of the Exodus because he had a long prosperous reign and his father and grandfather both had extremely short reigns. He does meet the criteria to be the oppressor Pharaoh however his son was succeeded by his oldest son and therefore would not meet the criteria for the Exodus Pharaoh. Ahmose I (the founder of the 18th dynasty) is probably the Pharaoh who knew not Joseph
Also the fact that Amenhotep IV - later Akenaten - instituted monotheism in Egypt and was later purged from the record for having done so
Timeline doesn't match up for your idea. The Pharaoh in 1446 BC was Thutmoses III not Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV) who would've reigned between 1354-1334 BC.
The exodus 1446BC ?
How do they know that ?
It's amenhotep the ii during the exodus, but the rest is spot on. So somewhere between 1397-1427 bc would be the exodus.
That that doesn't check out by multiple standards... The easiest one is that according to your timeline, Moses would have been 125 years old when the Exodus happened.....
Awesome to see this video right after watching several chapters of the Brazilian Series "Moses and the Ten Commandments". Loved the way the 10 Plagues were portrayed and also provided a bit of information on how each plague "touched" one of their divinities.
Great Video
So interesting!! Never heard this information before now!! Thank you!!
Very interesting. Thanks for making this video. Much appreciated
Mind blown! Great topic, would love to see more!
Only pea brains this happens too
If you all have a Coptic (Egyptian) Church near you, I strongly recommend you attend one of their Saturday night evening/midnight praises. A lot of time is spent singing about the Exodus out of Egypt. Most of the text taken from the Bible. Also, when they sing about the Holy Virgin Mary, you'll find that a lot of the analogies used come straight out of Exodus. Ask the priest, and im sure he'll have more to explain. Seeing how modern day christian Egyptians traditionally speak of the Exodus will give you another dimension to ponder.
Interesting......
Keep going the coptic church has so many fantastic things.. hoping u always spread the word
I strongly suggest you seek the truth in our creator Aravat 2nd Enoch 20:3
Shadowe .... who are they ??
"much like our newspapers now"
Truer words have never been spoken
I can listen to Dr. Bergsma all day every day!! His sure knowledge, his compelling explanations, and his spirituality come from the Holy Spirit!
And still look elsewhere in order to learn about the contradictions that are going to be resolved along the journey - THE TRUTH never fails - GOD ALMIGHTY can unknot every knot as HE CREATED THEM - staying GOD ALMIGHTY'S COURSE is all that is required!
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Considering the comment above one has to assume the opposite "dartquantum5141" IS the wise one.
Just remember if you're taking a test or are competing in a Quiz don't give these answers otherwise you'll be marked wrong or be incorrect. This is all for the Sunday school crowd.
i don't trust this guy there is way more evidence for the exodus.. the location in the red sea has basically an underwater bridge and the rest of the environment is exactly as described, there are chariot weels down there covered by coral, mount sinai has been found in saudi arabia with it's top blackened.. there is all kinds of evidence of the israelites having been there, from altars to drawings etc. etc.
Also this guy is talking about ramses 2 which tells you enough, it was way earlier than that. so he probably doesn't believe the bible when it says so and so were this old and this was this long ago etc.
also in the video about sodom, as far as i remember he didn't even mention the pure sulfur balls, of a purity that nature can come nowhere near, that are found all over the place, yet he talks about nukes and meteors.
Yes 👍😊
When Dr. John Bergsma talked about moses using the same cultural and spiritual references from the pagan Egyp, but now in the form of the unseen God, could not bring myself to no think about how our Lady of Guadalupe did the exact same thing to convert the aztecs, using their own culture and religion to convert them in to Christianity, from the way she dressed, to everything around her.
Very good comment. God Bless.
Very interesting parallel. Thanks for that.
The visions of Our Lady of Guadalupe occurred only AFTER the local Mexican populations had converted, not the other way round. Facts matter.
same in Vietnam, the Our Lady of La Vang
@@johnsposato5632 The virgin of Guadalupe did not convert the Aztecs. They were forced to capitulate. Get baptized or die. I refer you to the book 100 myths of Mexico I think by Martin Moreno where he says that if the mantle of Guadalupe was worn as was the custom Juan Diego would have been over three meters tall. (9 plus feet) Also there was never a person who was baptized with the name of Juan Diego. Another interesting fact is that the bishop in Mexico City stated in letters to Rome that it would be great if there were a miracle of such proportions, but it is never mentioned in the chronicles of the conquest. The legend of the virgin of Guadalupe is a complete fabrication. A device to deceive the conquered populace.
Amazing commentary! Dr. Bergsma is a true genius!!
He wouldn't say any this if he was addressing a room of his peers &/or needed his book peer reviewed. It's simply not true, this is just fluff for Christians. It's really rather sad that he's so economical with the truth about the Exodus.
Genius 😂 rubbing him off is not going to make him come to you.
Loved this video! Just found your channel, gotta watch more!
This is the second video I've seen from your channel. I enjoy that you have deep thinking intellects on your show. +1 new subscriber 💯
Dr. Bergsma is such a gift to the Church.
Love Dr. Bergsma, what he studies is what I study, when people say that Catholicism is pagan, I always reflect back to this time period and how similar are the ideas and concepts in the Torah to the other ancient civilizations around them especially Ancient Egypt. By their logic they would have to conclude that ancient Israel was also pagan and their whole written tradition should be thrown out. A better explanation is that the God of the universe speaks to men in the language of men.
Dr. Dan Juster who is a Messianic Jewish scholar has written much the same thing. He talks about the Abrahamic covenant and how God instructed Abramham to lay out the sacrifice. Even the idea of covenant he notes, comes from the pagan Middle Eastern models e.g. Hammurabi. He's not Catholic but he is very interesting on the historical aspects of the cultures of the times.
And at the same time shows that God has redeemed what humans have and elevated it and made it holy
@@tinalettieri awesome always looking for more resources. Thanks.
@@brisingrtwilighter yes very important, I didn’t want to be long winded but very very important point, the differences is what elevates human to the next phase of holiness and plan of God.
This is basically the cruciform hermeneutical approach. It makes a lot of sense that God would need to condescend to be in and sustain a free relationship with fallen man.
It’s super edifying n interesting. Thank u dear guys 🙌❤👏
Another good one, keep it up
Makes me want to learn more. Brilliant talk.
Exodus probably happened a couple or three hundred years before Ramses II. And there is at least one Egyptian description. The Ipuwer Papyrus describes ten "calamities" that overtook Egypt. It starts with the Nile being turned into blood and ends with the slaves getting all of the gold, silver, and jewels of the Egyptians.
Never happened. No evidence. The Egyptians did invade Israel though. In fact the story of Moses was clearly plagiarized from the Sumerian Sargon of Akkad. Look it up.
Are you familiar with the work of David Rohl?
Great question! Dr. Rohl makes a brilliant case that the pharaoh of the exodus was Amenhotep II. This video brings up great points about the Torah aligning with the cultures and writings of the Egyptian’s and emirates of the time, but does that argument apply to the time period of Amenhotep II too? 🤔
@@paulnelson9715 Never happened. The story is clearly plagiarized from Sargon of Akkad. Just like Noah is Utnapishtim, who was ordered by Enki to create a ship to escape the flood. That story of the Great Flood is actually way better or more detailed than the horrible plagiarized one in the the Bible. And unlike Exodus you actually have ancient clay tablet to back the story. Even the name Yahweh is plagiarized from the Anu, Enki and Enlil order. Say civilization is destroyed today and you have no source books anymore and you are ordered to tell the story Noah again. However you've forgotten the names and you just used the names in your society to rewrite the story the best you could. This is the story of Noah.
Ipuwer has nothing to do with the Exodus. First of all, it dates to the Middle kingdom, way before the Exodus. Second, the river turning to blood is referring to the annual inundation of the Nile. This is also what the first 6 plagues in Exodus are about. This was a common event, the book of Exodus only amplifies it. Another thing, is that Ipuwer belongs in a genre of prophetic literature of the Middle kingdom along with others texts like the Prophecy of Neferti, that all complain of an influx of Semites into the Nile delta, who were draining Egypt's resources. In other words, Ipuwer talks of Semitic foreigners coming INTO Egypt, not out.
👍🏻 Fascinating - tx for sharing!
This is fascinating!
Wow, this is intriguing
Bergsma is the man! Love all his stuff
Love the new information.
Excellent stuff great talks
No way Pharoh is like, hey, let's make a mural of how much bad I was. Pharohs were looked at like a god so no way they would record history like that
They actually found the remains of the Egyptian army in the water. Everything started having coral grow on it but it's identifiable. They found weapons, chariots and animal and human remains on the 2 sides of the underwater landbridge
Wow!!
No they didn't and haven't. No evidence whatsoever.
The bible speaks of a kingdom called mizrim not Egypt. Never was Egypt called mizrim in ancient times hence why they haven't found any proof.
Dear @christatum3045
No No No !!
That is Puesdo-history myth and that is why you cannot find any thing like this in any museum. And also why Christian archaeologists, historians and old testament Scholars reject this sensationalistic stories.
If you believe these ideas you have drunk the kool-aid and hae been deceived stick with the Biblical Scriptures and Christian scholarship and stay away from fables men create to tickle peoples's ears. DZ
I appreciate the discussion
Very insightful!
There's an excellent documentary on the exodus through a website called patterns of evidence. Highly encourage people to become more informed on the problems with Egyptian dating and non religious experts who willfully dismiss evidence because it does not fit with a narrative. As such, I think it could be said that Egypt's use tabernacle-like structures comes from Moses, not the other way around.
Very Strange. I have studied ancient history since I was a child. As an adult, about 1980, I discovered the works of Israeli archeologists and historians who said the exodus never took place.
This struck me as very odd, as why would Jewish scholars do anything to destroy the whole basis if their religious beliefs.
While it was true, Jewish artisans were hired by the Pharo to do detail work on their tombs. At that time in history, the holy land was home to the world's finest metal workers, so their employment seems quite natural.
Common Egyptians paid their taxes by providing labor, during the time the Nile flooded every spring. They got food, clothes beer and shelter during what would have been a time of famine, because only Pharo, had large enough granaries to store enough grain and keep it above flood level.
What is well documented, was King Nebuchadnezzar, capturing Israeli metal workers, and taking them off to Bagdad, to train his people about metal working secrets. Where do you think the story of the fiery furnace comes from. Those furnaces were for working iron into steel, to make weapons of war!!!
As my specialty has become, ancient technology, especially metal working, I tend to follow technological advances as they change societies, even today!!!
This guy's story does not match any of the known archeological or technological facts that I have studied about for decades. I would be very interested to see his research.
Tim
Christ Jesus is real bro
@@Createdplayer1 Brawndo has what plans crave
what is plans?@@mrsatire9475
Wow! So many amazing points
I enjoy the content so much.
It is easier for me in small segments,
Less than 10 minutes.
This was very helpful and interesting. Thank you for sharing this information.
This explains the term "mercy seat" to describe the lid of the Ark of the Covenant. It corresponds to Pharoah's throne between two cherubim in his war tent. Thank you!
It corresponds with Jesus on the mercy seat with His blood upon the throne as He has taken our place by the shedding of His blood for us, standing in the gap of forgiveness for our sins. The mercy seat is where the blood of the sacrifice was sprinkled once a year as an offering for the forgiveness of all sins for the people. The blood was always placed on one side of the seat as the other side was reserved for the blood of Christ.
@@christinemiller1946 Christ did not act in our oplace, but for us, so that his sacrifice can be partaken by us so as to renew our lives in its resemblance... protestants invented doctrine and then project it onto the Scriptures - that is not a good way to be faithful...
@@silveriorebelo2920, without Christ acting "in your place," there is No salvation. Christ on the cross was NOT Christ telling Yahweh, "Here's a payment of the same sin 'value' that these sinners amassed, balancing-out the debt." Christ on the cross was Our debt, transferred to Him, paid in full.
Colossians 2:8-15, "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells bodily, and in Him you have been filled, who is the head over all rule and authority; in whom you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh, in the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And you being dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive with Him, having graciously forgiven us all our transgressions. Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us which was hostile to us, He also has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them in Him."
He "canceled-out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us" by "having nailed it to the cross." By this "He made you alive with Him, having graciously forgiven us all our transgressions." The nails of the cross were OUR nails; the cross was OUR cross.
1 Peter 2:24, "Who Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that having died to sin, we might live to righteousness; by His wounds you were healed."
Our sins were "in" Christ on the cross. Christ bore them, and suffered death by the judgement of Our sin "IN" Him being cast on Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21, "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
He "knew" no sin (didn't have it within His being), and was made "to BE sin on our behalf" (He took our sin within Himself, contained it, defeated it, and cleansed it).
I do not partake IN the sacrifice, because Christ said "it is finished" (John 19:30). There is no more sacrifice to partake in. It is done. Communion is done in "remembrance of Me" (1 Corinthians 11:24-25). WE do not partake in the sacrifice itself, that is not scriptural.
It's not Christ's Church that has been inventing traditions and bad doctrine, but the Catholic Church.
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Great discussion!
Amazing Video!
Bravo! Thank you for intelligent, well explained scientific evidence of The Truth.
He presents excellent evidence on this topic, but he did not mention the physical evidence, which was a Jewish temple recently uncovered somewhere near Israel (can't remember the name of the Jew who this story was about in the Bible). But anyway, during excavations at the temple site, not only was the temple erected exactly as described in the Bible, but they also found Egyptian scarabs lying around, which were some sort of stone jewelry in the shape of a small beetle. The archeologists had no doubt whatsoever that these artifacts were of Egyptian origin.
@@trevorjameson3213that’s very interesting
The Merneptah Stele preserves the first written record of Israel outside the Bible. It says in part:
"The Canaan has been plundered into every sort of woe:
Ashkelon has been overcome.
Gezer has been captured.
Yano’am is made non-existent.
Israel is laid waste and his seed is not."
This shows Israel was an independent entity by the time of Pharaoh Merneptah successor to Ramsses II (r. 1213-1203).
Further, Egyptian writing includes special signs to indicate what kind of entity a thing is, and the sign used for Israel indicates a foreign people that is not settled in a land-as compared to the other groups that have signs indicating they were settled.
This suggests Merneptah may have attacked Israel during the wandering in the wilderness before the Israelites conquered the Promised Land.
It would also be consistent with him having fought a group of Israelites at some point during the book of Joshua. Which is rather more likely, given the timeframe. The most likely date for the Exodus is Ramses II's 25th regnal year, when first heir firstborn died. And this was 41 years before Merneptah came to the throne.
@SaintCharbelMiracleworker
The supposed Scholars of the Merneptah Stele fail to realize that the term: Israel, was in use long before it was given to the Jews.
In fact . . . the Hebrew, language is a language without a single original root; it is a composite language formed of bits of Greek, Arabic, and Chaldean.
It is like a harlequin's coat.
Take any Hebrew word and you will find that its roots are either Arabic, Greek, or Chaldean, and Chaldean comes from Hindu Sanskrit.
The allegorical story of the Old Testament Exodus is just a repeat of the allegorical story of the Egyptian Exodus which you have admitted in your comment that it was spoken of in Egypt long before it was retold in the Old Testament.
The Egyptian Allegory -
The meaning of this term will be made clear from the following, taken from the systems of the Naaseni (Ophites) and of Justinus as found in the Philosophumena.
The Exodus of the Children of Isrā‘-l from Egypt (i.e., the body) was hindered by the waters of the Great Jordan (the type of spiritual birth or generation), which were turned backward and made to flow upward.
Again the Sons of Isrā‘-l crossed the Red Sea and came into the Desert (i.e., by parturition were born into the world), where are the gods of destruction and the god of salvation.
The former are they which inflict the necessity of changeable birth on those who are born into the world.
These are the Serpents of the Desert, and it was in order that the Sons of Isrā‘-l might escape the bites of these Powers that Moses showed them the True and Perfect Serpent.
In the system of Justinus the first triad consists of The Good Principle, the Elōhīm and Eden or Isrā‘-l, the latter being considered as feminine and figured as a Virgin above and a Viper below; she is the Spouse of the Elōhīm.
The passage of Isaiah (i, 2-3) -
“Hear, O heaven, and give ear, O earth, for the Lord hath spoken . . . But Isrā‘-l does not know me . . .” is explained by saying that Heaven is the Spirit of the Elōhīm in man, earth the Soul which is in man with the Spirit, Isrā‘-l is Egypt (i.e., matter).
It is abundantly evident from the above that the Tribes of Isrāēl are the men of this world of matter.
@@jackalsgate1146 That's a very unique take on the origin of the Hebrew language. We have Hebrew inscriptions dating centuries before there was significant cultural contact between Greece and the Holy Land. And our earliest evidence of Arabic comes from centuries after Hebrew was replaced as the common language by Aramaic. Recent discoveries of a significant amount of Amorite/Amoritic text (a language where we previously had only a few words of) have led scholars to conclude that Hebrew is directly descended from Amoritic. And there are a number of Hebrew words which are very obviously Egyptian loan words. Particularly in the Torah.
@@stephengray1344
The Jews are an artificial Aryan race, born in India, and belong to the Caucasian division.
No one who is familiar with the Armenians and the Parsis can fail to recognize in the three the same Aryan, Caucasian type.
As I also said -
Israel is not a word that originated with the Hebrews.
Do you actually think that the Egyptians are going to borrow from the Jews or are the Jews going to borrow from the Egyptians.?
Did the slaves (of North America) borrow Christianity from their slave owners or did the slave owners borrow Christianity from the slaves.?
There was no such thing as a literal Israelite exodus out of Egypt.
@@jackalsgate1146 So you're talking about some of the ancestor languages of Hebrew, rather than Hebrew itself? IN which case your references to Greek and Arabic as ancestors makes even less sense than it did before.
Yes, I think that the Israelites borrowed from Egypt, rather than the other way around. But that's because the evidence does seem to suggest that they did originate from the Semitic population that lived in Egypt. As for the name Israel in the Merneptah Stela, that's the proper name of a tribal group that the Egyptians claim to have defeated. Most of the time the name used in one language for a particular nation or people group is simply the name the nation or people group called themselves at the point the two started to interact (sometimes with minor alterations to make it easy to pronounce). That's why, for example, English-speaking people call Ukraine Ukraine.l
And if you're going to say that the Exodus definitely didn't happen, you're going to have to explain what your evidence is for this claim. What's your alternative explanation for the abandonment of Avaris, the record of a non-settled people calling themselves Israel in Canaan a generation later, and this coinciding with the appearance of distinctively Israelite culture in the archaeological record of Canaan? Even if you think that this doesn't prove the Exodus, it is at least consistent with the story (which has a number of features that strongly suggest that it, or its source material, dates back to the time this happened) having some basis in actual history.
That was extremely interesting!
I new alot of this already but did learn somethings thanks for video or pod cast
I'm not Catholic, but your interviews with Dr. John Bergsma are just authentic pan-Christian gold! God bless you both as well as your team.
Pan Christian? Do you consider Catholics brothers and sisters in Christ.
Panchristans? That doesn't exist. Christians are Christians either they are the original Jones (Catholic) or protestant ( the ones who decided to separate from the original knowledge of Christ - sadliy lied by Luther- but still Christiansand our brothersi n Christ )
@@NohAotori You have that very mixed up. Luther brought the word (translated it from latin to english) to the common people so they could read the Bible for themselves. The catholic church didn't want the common people to understand what the Bible really said because they knew their teachings were wrong and they could control the people. Learn the history for yourself and read the Word for yourself, Catholicism has many many incorrect teachings and beliefs that don't come from the Bible. The truth is that God used Martin Luther to save His church from the catholic church.
Dear@@B4Africa
All authentic Christians are generally considered to be "Catholics" (that is of the Universal Church of Jesus the Christ composed of all believers regardless of denomination).
Any Roman Catholic who is an authentic believer in Jesus is a "Catholic", just as any Anglican who is an authentic believer in Jesus is a "Catholic", in the Catholic Church of Jesus.
By that same line of thinking if you are a member of the Roman Catholic Church and you are not an authentic believer in Jesus, then you are not a member of the the Catholic (Universal) Church of Jesus.
The same goes for someone who is a member of a baptist Church. If they are not an authentic believer in Jesus, they are not a member of the the Catholic (Universal) Church of Jesus.
Membership on some church role (whether it be Roman Catholic, Methodist, Church of England, Orthodox, etc.). does not save anyone. those are not a method of coming to the Father.
This we know to be definitively true - Only Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father but through Jesus !
Be Well, DZ
@Silverheart1956 Roman Catholic and Catholic is not the same thing. Unfortunately, we studied theology and church history. The early church was at some point united as a universal church, and that's why the church councils like Nicea included all Bishops. But the Council of Constantinople was a turning point, then you had the Eastern church's, and then Roman Catholic Church emerged out of that schism.
The worl Catholic means university, yes. But Roman Catholic is something else
That was AMAZING! Where can I learn more on this??
Answers in Genesis is full of this nonsense. And if you are really hard of thinking you could try Ron Wyatt but he is only for the hardcare gullible.
Ignore Kevin. I’d recommend digging into the Egyptian chronology debate, specifically Rohr’s work (he’s not a Christian but is a very good scholar). Patterns of Evidence is a great documentary, even if produced by our evangelical brethren. It gives a simplified overview that will knock your socks off if you dig this stuff.
@@perelandra35813😂I got the "Home Alone" Vibe going with your "Ignore Kevin" 🤣🙌
@@Stak1776 😆 Seriously, dropped a “Buzz?! Your girlfriend? Woof,” tonight after vespers.
Ancient Egypt and the Bible, the channel of Dr. David Falk here on youtube. He's an egyptologist who is very knowledgeable on the Exodus topic, and he doesn't teach the nonesense of Amenhotep II being the Exodus pharoah.
Wow!!!! I have never heard this before. Fascinating.
Brilliant connection
I've also heard that a massive volcanic eruption from the island of Santorini sometime between 1500 and 1600 BC could also explain the plague of darkness and also the retreating of the water of the Red Sea before a tidal wave.
And the water retreated up the Suez Canal 😂
Dear @Sindraug25,
Afraid the Santorini Eruption was a little too early to be connected with the Exodus. The "Early Exodus Theory" dates the Exodus around 1446 BC, and the "Late Exodus Theory" around 1270 BC. DZ
Very interesting. Interesting parallels between the structure of Moses’ writings and the ancient Egyptian treaties.
We don't have any writings by anyone called Moses.
Except for Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, and arguably Job. Those were awesome.
@@thekatarnalchemist Ha! None of these were written by Moses.
@@thekatarnalchemist the Pentateuch and it’s transmission down to us is amazing. Ο Θεός να ευλογεί.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu Christ would disagree with you on that one.
Most insightful
Fascinating 👍
You look at the ripple effects surrounding the Exodus. The Armana letters are a great example of the Canannite kings begging for help to Pharaoh when the "invading nomadic tribes" came into the promised land.
But where are the letters or other records that show the Israelites were ever in Egypt?
@@kevinkelly2162You mean like the Brooklyn Papyrus? I was shocked it existed because when I was an atheist, people I trusted as honest insisted there was zero evidence the Egyptians ever had semitic slaves. But there it is.
Eh, it would be strange if an empire as big as the Egyptian empire did not have slaves or even seasonal workers from surrounding countries. @@colmwhateveryoulike3240
Would make a good story but the Amarna letters were written around half a century before the reign of Ramses 2, under whose reign the exodus is traditionally dated. The Pharao who received them would have at the earliest have been Amenhotep 3 and at the latest Tutankamun
The Armana letters seem to be very clearly before the Exodus actually happened. The conflicts they mention are primarily one Egyptian vassal declaring war on another Egyptian vassal. The earliest evidence for Israel actually being in Canaan is the Merneptah Stela.
Excellent video snippet. 👍
It can’t be a coincidence that everything written matched not only the time period but customs and structure of the Egyptians, when a lot of what the Egyptians did and knew was kept a secret.
It shows that whoever wrote it was around that time period and even knew intricately about the Egyptian culture and how to structure their writing in such a way to pass onto the slaves who were used to how the Egyptians communicated and cultivated them to be
this is truly interesting
I really love this content❤
Thank you, and may God continue to bless you
I watched The Ten Commandments and at the end of the film I said, "What a fantastic film." Then God replied by saying, "None of it happened." I'll go by what God told me.
Love your discussions. Would like your thoughts on two books I bought years ago, because I wanted to see what people outside of Christianity had to say about Bible History.
1. The Hiram Key - by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas (Copyright 1996)
2. Rewriting the Bible - by Amy Dockser Marcus (copyright 2000)
Funny thing is that they're in my pile of books to go to charity - I have no need for them now.
I found this clip to be utterly fascinating since I've never heard any of it before but yet it makes complete sense. Are there any good reading sources I can read up on to learn more?
You can look up the Egyptian scarabs (small stone jewelry in the shape of a beetle) that were uncovered at an archeological site in Israel where a Jewish temple has been excavated in the past ten years or so, as I recall. I can't remember which temple this was, but it was described in the Bible (not sure which book), and for centuries people thought this temple was just a story, until an archeologist discovered it a few years ago. It is built exactly as described in the Bible, and when sifting through the soil looking for artifacts, they discovered these Egyptian scarabs, proving the the Jews had once been in Egypt.
One needs to be carefull when approaching this topic, as there is a lot of complete nonsense floating around, but here are some sources that I can confirm are reliable:
-Kenneth Kitchen, On the Reliability of the Old Testament
-Hoffmeier, Millard, Rendsburg, "Did I Not Bring Israel Out of Egypt?"
-James K. Hoffmeier, Israel in Egypt: The Evidence for the Authenticity of the Exodus tradition
-James K. Hoffmeier, Ancient Israel in Sinai: The Evidence for the Authenticity of the Wilderness Tradition
-David A. Falk, The Ark of the Covenant in its Egyptian Context
-Joshua Berman, Inconsistency in the Torah
Dear @JosephDiveley
If you would like to study the issues from a scholarly biblical approach, I woul recommend going to the site of "Associates For Biblical Research" (ABR) and type in some key words on the search bar (like Arabia, Mt. Sinai, or Red Sea) and read some scholarly articles By Christian archaeologists and historians. They have a great site on TH-cam also with a lot of great videos.
Check it out and let me know what you think about the Biblical, scholarly perspective. DZ
Amazing scholar. Thank you for this interview.
Of course it happened. Its unbelieveable how most of our actual past has become "myth" since the "enlightenment".
Interesting presentation
Awesome! ❤
Flavius Josephus also talked about the Exodus
Josephus is too recent for a scientific resource on that matter. He is great to cite when it come to history that he's a contemporary of.
Josephus was a Jew long after the events of the exodus, ofc he’s gonna report it like it happened
The word for Ark in Noah's ark is actually an Egyptian loan word that means sacred shrine. It refers to the portable shrines like mentioned in this podcast. So even the word ark is meant to be a reference to the Egyptian technology but it riffs it by placing "the image of God" inside. Aka a righteous man and his family.
Dear @ David-_-_-,
"NOAH"S ARK" ??????
Maybe you are speaking of the Ark of the Covenant, not Noah's Ark !
Very informative, not from a religious perspective, but more from a historical point of view.
Praise God for his word and how its stood the test of time and proves itself true.
Thanks for a great topic to strengthen our faith! Not only did the Exodus happen exactly as written, Moses wrote Genesis. Moses testified to Christ at the Transfiguration. That means something profound. And if we don't know for certain Moses wrote the Genesis and the Pentateuch then we miss the depth. If you loved this then Sensus Fidelium had a show of a talk by the Kolbe Center: Mike Gladieux How Moses Wrote Genesis. It is a way deeper dive into the historicity of the Genesis and the Creation of Heaven and Earth. You will never doubt Moses again. Our Triune God is amazing!
No, no one thinks Moses wrote Genesis, unless Moses was three people who changed his ideas about the name of God on a frequent basis.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu The speculation on there being 3 or more unknown authors of Genesis you are speaking of was disproven by the research of PJ Wiseman in the 30s and 40s through an analysis and comparison of ancient Babylonian and Egyptian writing styles. The Kolbe Center video by biblical scholar Mike Gladieux gives a great explanation that I can't summarize in a yt comment.
@@ziggyzigggfreed4604 Ah yes, the Tablet Hypothesis. It does not 'disprove' anything, it simply another way of suggesting how the text came about.
This is interesting although it is easy to see that the colophons are not used consistently at the END of passages but sometimes they fall more naturally as introductions, which is odd. There is also the issue that, although the colophons give the names of various ancestors of the Hebrews, there is none for Moses himself - so Moses as a compiler still has no evidence. Neither is there any proof that the names mentioned in the Colophons are ACTUALLY real people - it is more likely in my view that these are stories that were in circulation attributed to ancient ancestors and written in the Babylonian convention -
And that is important to, as colophons are used in Babylonian texts, implying that the the Biblical text was compiled by people in Babylon - in other words during the exile, and that the colophons have been clumsily inserted by one or other early editor.
In addition to this, the other books of the Pentateuch do not include this device.
So, not disproving the documentary hypothesis at all. The fact is WE DON'T KNOW WHO WROTE THE TEXT OF GENESIS.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu I don't actually think the Tablet Hypothesis, as good as the scholarship is, settles the question of Moses' authorship of the Pentateuch, by itself. I think Jesus settles it. Jesus himself quotes and speaks of Moses. Peter, James and John saw Jesus transfigured before them and Moses and Elijah appear beside him speaking of the exodus he would accomplish in Jerusalem. In a moment I'll get to why I believe the witness of Peter.
Jesus said He is God. Who do you say Jesus is?
I say Jesus is God. I believe every word of the Nicene Creed and the Athanasian Creed. Jesus came to fulfill the Jewish scriptures.
The biggest reason I have come to believe the Bible is the Word of God is typology. The 73 books of the Bible with all their different human authors tell a singular story through typology that no other book in history has ever told or could ever tell.
The Old Testament prefigures the New. God created us all, but set aside a chosen people to keep His word. They didn't keep that Word all the time, but that it has been that way since the fall of Adam. Adam is a type of Christ. Adam was supposed to hear the word of God and do it. God told him not to eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. If you notice, God told him that before He created Eve. Eve only heard the prohibition from Adam, not directly from God. That is why Jesus said all sin came from Adam, and not Eve. Adam was supposed to protect Eve. If he hadn't eaten the fruit, history would have been very different.
Christ is the new Adam. Christ said I do not speak my own word only what I have heard from my Father. Where Adam failed Eve, Christ triumphed for his bride, the Church. These are just some of the typologies. The early Church fathers wrote extensively on them.
I think a second reason to believe in the Scriptures is witness. I'll stick with two that strike me deeply that could not possibly be made up. The first is from the book of Judith. It is Alchior telling the Assyrian general who the Jews are:
5:1} And it was told Holofernes the general of the army of the Assyrians, that the children of Israel prepared themselves to resist, and had shut up the ways of the mountains.{5:2} And he was transported with exceeding great fury and indignation, and he called all the princes of Moab and the leaders of Ammon.{5:3} And he said to them: Tell me what is this people that besetteth the mountains: or what are their cities, and of what sort, and how great: also what is their power, or what is their multitude: or who is the king over their warfare:
{5:4} And why they above all that dwell in the east, have despised us, and have not come out to meet us, that they might receive us with peace?
{5:5} Then Achior captain of all the children of Ammon answering, said; If thou vouchsafe, my lord, to hear, I will tell the truth in thy sight concerning this people, that dwelleth in the mountains, and there shall not a false word come out of my mouth.
{5:6} This people is of the offspring of the Chaldeans.
{5:7} They dwelt first in Mesopotamia, because they would not follow the gods of their fathers, who were in the land of the Chaldeans.
{5:8} Wherefore forsaking the ceremonies of their fathers, which consisted in the worship of many gods,
{5:9} They worshipped one God of heaven, who also commanded them to depart from thence, and to dwell in Charan. And when there was a famine over all the land, they went down into Egypt, and there for four hundred years were so multiplied, that the army of them could not be numbered.
{5:10} And when the king of Egypt oppressed them, and made slaves of them to labour in clay and brick, in the building of his cities, they cried to their Lord, and he struck the whole land of Egypt with divers plagues.
{5:11} And when the Egyptians had cast them out from them, and the plague had ceased from them, and they had a mind to take them again, and bring them back to their service,
{5:12} The God of heaven opened the sea to them in their flight, so that the waters were made to stand firm as a wall on either side, and they walked through the bottom of the sea and passed it dry foot.
{5:13} And when an innumerable army of the Egyptians pursued after them in that place, they were so overwhelmed with the waters, that there was not one left, to tell what had happened to posterity.
{5:14} After they came out of the Red Sea, they abode in the deserts of mount Sina, in which never man could dwell, or son of man rested.
{5:15} There bitter fountains were made sweet for them to drink, and for forty years they received food from heaven.
{5:16} Wheresoever they went in without bow and arrow, and without shield and sword, their God fought for them and overcame.
{5:17} And there was no one that triumphed over this people, but when they departed from the worship of the Lord their God.
{5:18} But as often as beside their own God, they worshipped any other, they were given to spoil and to the sword, and to reproach.
{5:19} And as often as they were penitent for having revolted from the worship of their God, the God of heaven gave them power to resist.
{5:20} So they overthrew the king of the Chanaanites, and of the Jebusites, and of the Pherezites, and of the Hethites, and of the Hevites, and of the Amorrhites, and all the mighty ones in Hesebon, and they possessed their lands, and their cities:
{5:21} And as long as they sinned not in the sight of their God, it was well with them: for their God hateth iniquity.
{5:22} And even some years ago when they had revolted from the way which God had given them to walk therein, they were destroyed in battles by many nations and very many of them were led away captive into a strange land.
{5:23} But of late returning to the Lord their God, from the different places wherein they were scattered, they are come together and are gone up into all these mountains, and possess Jerusalem again, where their holies are.
{5:24} Now therefore, my lord, search if there be any iniquity of theirs in the sight of their God: let us go up to them, because their God will surely deliver them to thee, and they shall be brought under the yoke of thy power:
{5:25} But if there be no offence of this people in the sight of their God, we cannot resist them because their God will defend them: and we shall be a reproach to the whole earth.
{5:26} And it came to pass, when Achior had ceased to speak these words, all the great men of Holofernes were angry, and they had a mind to kill him, saying to each other:
{5:27} Who is this, that saith the children of Israel can resist king Nabuchodonosor, and his armies, men unarmed, and without force, and without skill in the art of war?
{5:28} That Achior therefore may know that he deceiveth us, let us go up into the mountains: and when the bravest of them shall be taken, then shall he with them be stabbed with the sword,
{5:29} That every nation may know that Nabuchodonosor is god of the earth, and besides him there is no other." Achior wasn't a Jew. What could have inspired such a defense of the Chosen people but God speaking to the man's very soul?
The second witness is Peter. This is why I believe him when he speaks of the Transfiguration. Peter admitted something amazing in 1 Corinthians 14-19 that if he was a liar and the Gospels were just stories he never would have said. "And if Christ has not been raised then empty [too] is our preaching; empty, too, your faith. Then we are also false witnesses to God because we testified against God that he raised Christ whom he did not raise if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised neither has Christ been raised
and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still in your sins. Then those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are the most pitiable people of all."
All of humanity is one family. Early on He gave the Truth to the Jewish people. In the fullness of time, God revealed Himself to be the Triune God. God came into the world to reveal Himself to all of us. He came to save us.
What brought you to this video? Are you a Christian (Catholic or Protestant) that doesn't believe that the Exodus and other plagues ever happen or that Moses didn't write the Pentateuch? It's all just stories and myths? Are you an anti-Semite that doesn't believe anything Jews say? Maybe Christianity is just another conspiracy created by Jews, the first Christians were Jews after all? Or are you an atheist that likes debating Christians? Some other religion? a Joseph Campbell fan who just likes keeping up on all the "myths"?
Just curious to see where you are coming from?
@@ziggyzigggfreed4604 Fella, even the New Testament writers could not agree on who Jesus was. One of the gospels even has Jesus denying he is God. It's not surprising the Jesus, a Jew, believed that the Pentateuch was written by Moses as that was a well established belief by the first Century. Since, in the Gospels, we are not dealing with books written by eye-witnesses we must also assume that the Authors believed it too.
The problem is that Israeli archaeologists, who have every reason to be biased, have searched the desert and have found absolutely no artifacts that indicate masses of people lived there during that time. There is 0 evidence to support the account of the Exodus. Sad but true.
Just as evolution based in bits of information that are combined, theists stongly agree on the Bible, just as scientists agrees on their own evolution theory.
@@0i7PX72Nga a) Theists DO NOT agree on the Bible. Let's have a room of Catholic and Protestant theologians and ask them whether Mary had additional children after Jesus. You'll find that they interpret the Bible VERY differently, and this is a minor point.
b) It doesn't matter what theists BELIEVE about Exodus or the Bible; it's what we can prove that's important. And we simply can't prove anything from the account of Exodus despite massive efforts to do so. Now, you might use the old, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" line, in which case, you must then believe the claims of Muslims, pagans, and believers in aliens.
Most of the historians who think the Exodus happened think that the actual number of people involved was in the region of 50,000-100,000 (the word usually translated "thousand" in the census numbers has a number of other meanings that would make sense in the context). At the time of the Exodus, the Sinai was a Savannah, rather than a desert, so perishable items from over 3000 years ago would likely not have survived. And the text literally says that the peoples' thing did not wear out during this time. So I'm not sure what artifacts you think we would be able to find, even if we had excavated every possible site they camped at (which we definitely haven't).
And even if what you said about there being no evidence of the wilderness period, it simply isn't true that there is 0 evidence to support the Exodus. Have a look at the Exodus: Rediscovered documentaries over on the Inspiring Philsophy channel, or any of the videos about the Exodus on the Ancient Egypt and the Bible channel.
How do you expect wandering people to leave artefacts
@@Charlotte_Martel Im so tired of people like you. The fact is that there is good evidence for an Exodus, but youre simply ignorant of it and insist there is none. Unfortunately, it is only the fringe, garbage and dishonest "evidence" that ever reaches the mainstream, and then ignorant people like you think thats all we have. And your statement that we cant prove ANYTHING from the Exodus account would be laughable even to secular scholars. I see in your first comment you made the ignorant complaint that we have no archeological evidence of Israel in the Sinai. That is correct. But now heres the shocker, we barely have any archeological evidence of any nomadic group in the Sinai in spite of having many textual sources talking about nomads in the Sinai like the Egyptian papyri. The only archeological crumbs of evidence of nomads in the Sinai are from places that these nomads were often returning to generation after generation. And not only that, but what are you expecting to find in the first place??? Materials are precious to nomads they arent just going to leave them there. Tent cloth? There is no way they are leaving that behind. Pottery? For one, you dont even have much clay to make pottery in the Sinai. And even if we found something, how would you know it belonged to the Israelites?? The Israelites came from the city of Avaris in Egypt which was a melting pot of different cultures. The Israelites would have mostly been a mixture of Canaanite and Egyptian material culture. So if the Exodus happened, I would infact NOT expect archeological evidence in the Sinai. When we talk of the wandering period specifically must deal with the internal textual evidence, not the external archeological evidence. In fact, most of the evidence for the Exodus as a whole is textual, although there is a bit of archeological evidence too especially with the conquest of Canaan.
Excellent interview, but I really wish the video showed the images being referenced (Egyptian war tent, King Tut ark, etc)
Great video
When an assertion breaks down due to lack of evidence, the go to solution for ppl dedicated to that assertion is that there is a cover-up, to explain away the lack of evidence. Before long we are distracted into looking for evidence of a cover-up rather than acknkwledging the original lack of evidence. When that fails, the same technique is used again, to suggest a cover-up of the cover-up.
This so called "lack of evidence" is pure ignorance on your part.
What is the evidence for your assertion above?
you are free to delete your post later some time to cover up the lack of evidence for your assertion made above.
@@neverstoplearning-qn1ds The video
Using the "Absence of Evidence Argument" as evidence that the events never occurred is a logical fallacy - a violation of rational thinking skills.
The absence of evidence never necessarily means evidence of absence. Anyone who has taken a 101 logic class would understand this point.
If one contends there is "NO EVIDENCE", then objectively that would obviously mean, no evidence to confirm, or deny, the supposition.
However, in this case that is not the situation because there is evidence and the evidence must be evaluated and considered.
BUT, first one must become aware that there is evidence that exists and this is the common problem with this issue. If one is not aware that any evidence exists, then one cannot evaluate something that he is not aware of it's existence. and because one is not aware of the existence of the evidence, then some are likely to fall into irrational thnking and propose a logical fallacy like: "Absence of evidence necessarily means evidence of absence". DZ
@@Silverheart1956 Using the "Absence of Evidence Argument" as evidence that the events occurred is a logical fallacy - a violation of rational thinking skills.
The absence of evidence never necessarily means evidence of events. Anyone who has taken a 101 logic class would understand this point.
If one contends there is "EVIDENCE" for the event, then objectively that would obviously mean, evidence to confirm, the supposition.
However, in this case that is not the situation because there is a severe lack of evidence to be evaluated and considered.
BUT, first one must become aware that there are false claims and borrowed stories that exist and this is the common problem with this issue. If one is not aware that no evidence exists, then one cannot evaluate something that he is not aware of it's existence. and because one is not aware of the existence of any valid evidence, then some are likely to fall into irrational thinking and propose a logical fallacy like a super natural being hid all the evidence. When in reality: "Absence of evidence necessarily means a lack of evidence of the exodus myth".
There is a great TH-cam Channel called "Ancient Egypt and the Bible" that covers the historicity of the Exodus. It's host Dr. David Falk is protestant unfortunately but it's still a good channel and has a ton of good information. Be neat if he was brought on Pints at some point.
That's a fantastic channel. Dr. Falk is a gem. I've learned so much from him.
Why is it a misfortune to be a Protestant? Jesus was a catholic?
@@miqueasmurga8698 Jesus was Jewish.
@@talithakoum3922He asked if Jesus is Catholic, and the answer is obviously yes. His race/ethnicity was not asked.
@@berwynsigns4115 Jesus was Jewish both ethnically and in practice. He said He came to fulfill the Law of Moses. He was not a Catholic because Christianity had not yet split from Judaism. This is self-evident from the Gospels and should require no further explanation.
I like to see presentations of how more minute details of the ancient histories and cultures tell a different story than the modern short attention span or Hollywood interpretations. Fascinating material.
Immanuel Velikovsky realigns history (Ages in Chaos) from archaeological evidence from common descriptions in multiple cultures that match the experiences of the plagues. The plagues were catastrophic and would not be localized. Based on that he comes up with the Exodus occurring around 1800 BC not 1200 BC. In subsequent volumes he goes through the key events in both histories and further corroborates their interaction. This misalignment caused overlaps in Egyptian history resulting in multiple duplicate Pharaohs. This chronological shift aligns the Exodus with the fall of the Middle Kingdom. When I first read this I went to my Egyptian history book to see what they recorded as the cause. The opening chapter describes the cause as unknown! An incredible mystery as the Middle Kingdom was the greatest. Rather than being unknown, Velikovsky’s chronology correlates perfectly with Egypt’s collapse as they lost their Pharaoh, their army, and their work force. His work also corroborates the many interactions between Egyptians and Israelites as recorded in the Old Testament. (Queen of Sheba being one example) The current dogma is based on inaccurate timelines and too many egos are wrapped up in preserving it.
"The Exodus Revealed: Search for the Red Sea Crossing" is a fascinating dvd on the exploration of a team headed by a medical doctor who seem to have validated the Red Sea crossing at the time of Moses. It's highly recommended.
Bill Crofut
the reed sea
No. Red Sea, eastern fork.
It's odd that virtually the entire archaeological community, including Israeli archaeologists, have not "validated" this, but a medical doctor, with no expertise in the field, has. The problem with this kind of inquiry is that it seeks to confirm belief: it begs the question. You believe something, then you try to make the facts fit that belief. It is not how intellectually honest inquiry and research works: that works the other way round.
Also, adults don't do research via DVDs. They publish papers on their discovery, outlining methodologies that peers can test and query.
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@@burntgod7165Thank you for saying this!
Great video! It is well-known that the Egyptians were fond of rewriting their own history to erase or spin their failures/defeats/scandals. The United States has often done the same thing.
Oh, just got to take a shot at the Us ay? As if they are unique in that regard. Pfft. Can you say "Russia"??
@@beestoe993 You seem to miss the point. Any country you add to the list does not detriment the original point but rather adds to it.
And you just admitted the US does do it so, here's a penny.
Napoleon rewrote history, as did Nazi Germany. Herodotus wrote down everything he heard or was told but would state in no uncertain terms whether or not he believed it and why. Thucydides did the same but few other Greek or Roman Historians did the same. Procopius’ hatred of Empress Theodora comes through in almost every page of his “Secret History” and Anna Comnenus hero worship of her father has her changing, altering or just plain fabricating history in her history of her father’s reign “The Alexiad.”
@@williampaz2092What did Nazis rewrite?
Underground tunnels
This makes perfect sense, God raised up Moses with his specific skills and abilities in order to use him for this task of writing His word. I love the bit about the war tent. God is showing Israel that he can play just like the "god kings" yet of course he wins!
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Thanks! “Ancient Egypt and the Bible” is a YT channel with a great video series on evidence for Exodus
Paul in writing to the Galatians, tells us were Mt Sinia really is (not in Egypt) and findings about the real Mt Sinia, including where the crossing of the Red Sea happened. It is all quite amazing and yet it seems not many people are even aware of this.
Ancient sources of Sinai always referred to the peninsula as a part of Arabia. In Paul’s time, Sinai = Arabia.
@@axismundi2142bruh, who lies to their teeth?
See Patterns of Evidence by Timothy Mahoney
Can you give the exact reference so that I can look it up.
@@michaelhaywood8262Galatians 4:25
I read through Exodus as part of a Bible reading plan, and a lot of it started to fly right over my head. I understood that these were laws set up to set the Israelites apart from other nations around them and keep fresh in their minds who they gave themselves to, but other than that, I was trying hard not to get bored. I asked God "I don't know what I should be pulling from all this, I'm sorry. Can you help me??" I'd completely forgotten about that prayer until halfway through this video 😅
Ron Wyatt found the Red Sea crossing place years ago - there are still chariot wheels encrusted with old shells and other sea life at the bottom of the Red Sea and he shot video to prove it.
That's actually pretty good explanation. The Egyptians did not record battles wherein they were defeated. I read about this about Tutankhamun's military campaigns in the Levant and having listened to Dr. Bob Brier say the same thing.
Not exactly true Eyptians did record their defeats but usually as a part of a grand narrative.
For example 1 Pharaoh had an entire story about how the rest of the army was utterly incompetent, losing battles where they outnumbered their opponents, they were getting pushed back, some got lost etc, etc. Until He took the battlefield and almost single handily defeated the enemy and brought back thousands of slaves.
Additionally there's records from successors wanting to diss the previous Pharaoh like "i reclaimed land that was lost by X" or "i avenged the humiliation brough upon our people when X was defeated"
There's also a lot from the end of the New Kingdom which was a time of turmoil and a loss of power and influence by the monarchs which suggests that they lost the ability to censor and control narratives during that time. There was too much going to hide their defeats and missteps.
An argument from silence, then.
Who are the Levant? Is there a description of them in the Torah?
@@PathtoYahawah Their battles against Canaanites, Hittites and other groups there.
@@parkmallbaby that is not a description of the Levant it is a description of a battle I want to know what they looked like.
One problem... well two actually.
So I ran the numbers, went and read up a bit about the life of Jacob and of his sons and of later generations.
I found the following.
Jacob lives the last 17 years of his life in Egypt, dying at age 147, arriving in Egypt aged 130. (Gen 47:9, 28)
Joseph is 30 when he enters Pharaoh's service, (Gen 41:46) is 37 by the end of the last year of plenty and 39 when his brothers arrive in Egypt during the 2nd year of famine. (Gen 45:6)(Jacob was thus around 91 years old when Joseph was born, given that the reunion of the family happens within that same year.
Joseph lives to 110 (Gen 50: 22) meaning he dies 71 years after his family join him in Egypt.
Now the problematic bit:
Ex 6: 16-20 we get the following.
Levi (Joseph's older brother) lived to 137 years old, Kohath, the second of his three sons, lived to 133 years old, this being the father of Amram, who like Levi lived 137 years, Amram is the father of Moses and Aaron.
Moses speaks to Pharaoh at age 80 (Ex 7:7)
So, let's put these numbers together.
Levi was at least 39 (he is older than Joseph) upon arriving in Egypt. This would mean that at most, he lived in Egypt for 98 years. Let us assume, crazy as it may be, that Kohath is born the day after Levi dies and that Amram is born the day after Kohath dies, and finally that Moses is born the day after his own father dies, that's three generations in a row of men fathering their children while older than 130, and with no father son contact at all, just to stretch out the time as much as possible.
Levi's 98 years in Egypt, + 133 years for Kohath, + 137 years for Amram, + 80 years to get to when Moses speaks to Pharaoh.
That put Moses speaking to Pharoah at a total of 448 years after Jacob's arrival in Egypt. This looks about right given that Ex 12:40-41 gives the Israelites 430 years to the day in Egypt.
The problem here is that this number is deeply unrealistic, and not by a margin of 18 years, it would be realistic to assume that Kohath had already been born by the time Levi arrived in Egypt (given that a total of 70 of Jacobs descendents lived by the time of their arrival in Egypt, given Jacob's 12 sons, Levi being the 3rd eldest of the sons, even counting the wives as descendents of Jacob (which they aren't), you still need some of Jacob's grandsons, and Levi is a solid candidate for contributing at least 2 of those. It would not even be out of the question for Levi's first to have been born before Joseph was sold into slavery.
So that loses you the entirety of Levi's 98 years in Egypt as they overlap with 98 years of Kohath's life. And we have not even touched on Kohath-Amram's realistic overlap, or Amram-Moses overlap.
So firstly, it is extremely unrealistic for BOTH Exodus 6 and 12 to have accurate figures.
The other problem hits us a bit later, in Numbers 1:46 we get a count of 603 550 men of fighting age among the Israelites upon leaving Egypt, and this seemingly does not count the Levites so we can probably safely add in another 32 000 ish (smallest of the counted tribes comes in around this size).
This count is JUST men of fighting age, so we can double our ~ 635 000 to include women, so we are sitting on 1,27 million young adults, and we still need to account for the elderly and for children, which should be able to double the figure, but let's be generous and make it 1,5 million people in total.
430 years, starting population of 70 people, ending population of 1 500 000 (and bear in mind, that 430 is definitely overshooting the actual length if Exodus 6 is reliable to any degree.
We are talking here about basically every woman has to have just about no womb downtime and every pregnancy has to be at least quadruplets to get there. This goes way beyond "Exceedingly fruitful" (Exodus 1:7)
If your intent is to modify birth rates to favour females in order to have more available wombs to make that stretch. Please remember to adjust the target number to reflect those additional women.
Also bear in mind here that, were there a population of Semitic slaves in Egypt that outnumbered the Egyptians (Ex 1:9), we'd probably notice an era during which a large number of Semitic slaves were portrayed, or if the propaganda coverup is to be believed, an era wherein many depictions of slaves are vandalised to hide their race.
The ONLY era during which significant numbers of Semites are depicted in Egyptian art is during the Hyksos era, and those semites are not slaves, but instead are royals.
This means we can probably conclude safely that no population of semitic peoples numbering more than a million ever lived in Ancient Egypt.
You have a whole lotta "let's assume" going on in your narrative.. I'm just saying.. thats a red flag for the "let's NOT assume" kinda folks..
@@grandmagrace9453 Which assumptions do you take issue with?
List them, and I will address them.
Great video, matches with Bible study, more information about God for the believer. Thank you.
Excellent!