Natural Stance (NS) is a height from barefoot floor to the center of your knee. Stance Front Angle Rear Angle All mountain: NS + 2CM +15 to +24 -6 to +6 Freestyle (parks): NS + 6CM +6 to +21 0 to -15 Freeride: NS + 4CM +21 to +30 0 to +9 Carving: NS +24 to +36 0 to +15
I ride with my natural stance and with angles of +30 +12. I don't ever run with a negative back foot any longer as it causes me knee pain. The posi posi stance helps me hard charge on-piste and I never feels it is a compromise in the powder as I prefer to very directional boards with a ton of float in the nose.
@Suz Going to have to try this on my setup as I’ve referenced this video for my stance this season and I’m starting to suspect it’s too narrow for my 6’2 frame. I’ll get back to you after my next trip to the mountain
Thank you for the information to consider. The positioning of the bindings seem to fall into the black arts of suspension tuning similar to the automotive world. It is some fun settings to experiment with. The boots must be comfortable always. The best stance for your body frame and stature will provide the most fun and least amount of energy to have a great day all day long!
I’m gonna run that carving setup with the positive angles on both. I have used a duck footed stance forever but I really want to carve hard and see how it feels
wow i was not expecting you to suggest posi for freeriding, its insane how many people are riding duck while never riding switch! i switched to posi two years ago, part time, and i finally reached a point where it feels weird to ride duck (like i have riden for the past 20 years)
I learned on 15/0. Then went to 12/12 on 1st proper board (twin). Just got a new directional board, as I hardly ever ride switch. Thinking of going back to 15/0 but may end up tweaking after testing new board
I went snowboarding yesterday and near the end of the day I felt my right knee was really starting to feel achy. I’m pretty sure it’s because of the way my board is set up. I’m excited to try one of these! 😊
I cannot beleive i didnt think about decreasing the distance between the blindings. Im shorter so why have i just been using the default positions lol The knee measurement thing is interesting, i will give it a try
A discussion of setback would have been good to throw in here. It's become pretty popular and I even see park boards with a setback, and still not sure why.
2:39 is that in our system. Centring your stance around the reference puts your weight above the optimum point of the sidecut. For true twin boards, this is the centre, for directional boards there is an inbuilt setback, optimised for each board. Of course you could move the bindings forward or back from this, but that will dramatically alter the turning characteristic of a board.
Setback for a directional board should be 1" BOC (back of centre). That is measured on the effective edge (the contact points of where your board actually touches the snow) and not the overall length of the board. This is a good starting point that allows easy turn initiation on the tip, and carving instead of skidding at the finish of the turn on the tail. If you have trouble initiating the turn move forward a 1/4", if you're having trouble finishing/skidding the turn move back 1/4". A freestyle board would be 0" to 1/2" BOC, depending on whether you are a park rat or all mountain rider. Every board has a specific side cut radius and you can fine tune your stance to maximize the performance/feel of any board.
I should try the carving stance since I’m older now and so far less freestyle. I’ve been running a mild duck stance for 30years. I’ll experiment Friday when I go for a quick night session. Mostly I ride free ride higher speed and focus on edge to edge speed carving.
Hey, I have a question. If my snowboard has a "setback" can I move both bindings in front direction in order to reduce the setback? Is that "allowed" ? :D
You can do whatever you want! This is just a guide. Nidecker boards will ride best if you keep your centre of mass over the point designated by the recommended stance so start with that, but if you try something else and prefer it then go for it.
my first time going was this past week. a friend of mine loaned me his board with a duck footed stance and it was ok but did not feel natural as i was riding with my right foot forward but when i switched to my left forward i felt unstoppable lol however the board was an advanced one kept spinning me around then i would catch the edge go down the slope a bit and spin again on the turn.. how can i stop spinning so much ???
Finally a video with PERCISE language and graphics to illustrate exactly what is being explained! So many useless videos of a guy in a snowboard shop or on the mountain just throwing out terms and guesses about how to figure out the best stance for the rider. Don't watch them, watch this!
I’ve been riding since 2017 but this year when I gave my board to repair they messed up the angles and I dont know what it was since I wasn’t too much into that stuff. What I found out this week waa that right side of my leg was hurting also right side of my foot was hurting. I ride with my right foot front, no parks or anything. What type of angle I need to fix this issue?
Also my foot is a size 8us and i cannot buy short boards because they are too narrow and then freeride boards have bigger stances. If you make that video please also make producs that fit everybody not only medium and tall people. There are are also short people living on this rock :)
@@alexandruionita8114 Or you can measure your knee to floor with your boots on since most people ride in boots which means you can freeride stance on many 156 modern snowboards whose stance range is usually 52-64
since that measurement will vary only 1-2 cm then i dont think it matters as much, i guess try both and see which you feel most comfotable. you just dont want to be like 15 cm away from this form of measurement. because TO wide or TO narrow is no good
It all depends on the rider, which is why we give ranges rather than specific stance angles. Some people will find duck stance easiest, others will find a 'beginner' angle like +18/-9 just fine for going switch. Experiment! :)
Very interesting video- I woul like to add acouple of details. I think the duck stance only makes sense on a twin tip board. Another disadvantage of the duckstance is that you see less going on higher speeds but as it is predominantly used on freestyle oards rather than on carving (directional) boards it shoul not be an big issue. The greatest advantage of the duck stance is surly that it gives you great stability when doing tricks as it is probably the moste natural stance. I personally never tried the duck stance because I am a former hardboot / raceboard rider anjust got used to this stance. Another aspect is certainly the size of your boots- in order to hit the edge your boots an bindings should be aligned with the edge otherwise good carving is impossible. thanks anyways for this information-I am gonna measure the floor to knee thing right away.
i hope EVERYONE heard the part where you say it is a STARTING point! you really need to experiment and find the stance you are comfortable with. there is NO one stance fits all now one board fits all..
@@ninjamagic5150 not necessarily true when you're one a directional twin. Thats what the reference marks are for. You just move evenly from there based on your stance. Measuring tip to binding and tail to binding only works on a true twin board.
Natural stance + 2cm for me wasnt confortable i even have to reduce one cm and feel much confitable i think all this advice videos are just a guidance but only you are the one who have to try different stance till you get to the best spot .
I just measured floor to knee, and the length is only 17inches!!! I've been riding 20inches for a while. There ain't no way I can lower it to 17-18inches width. It feels so weird >
0 on back foot 15 on front foot.....probably comes from skateboarding, that's my natural stance on a skateboard before an ollie. If it's a pow day I offset by about -2" towards the back of the board.
If anyone has come back to this video if you have the right size of board the stance width should be what’s suggested on the board! +12/+15 -6/-10 is ideal for all mountain/park!
Great video but it hardly aplies to shoet people. I am 5’4 and most of the boards i own don’t even have the inserts for me to have a natural stance, maybe if i buy women boards and then they don’t match for weight.
@@ninjamagic5150 The problem is the weight. I'm not a fat guy, but I do weigh 181 lbs, I measure 5'-7". These boards are designed to work with a weight in mind. That being said, I do plan on buying a shorter one later one. The one I got now is a 159
Johnson height is a factor, but weight is much more important as boards do have a "spring" to them. If I went with the next number down (156), the most that board could support to function as it's intended would be 165lbs. I'm well over that. In my case, I'd probably go with an other brand that would be more in my numbers. 156 and 159 are not very far apart. But I'm a firm believer that weight is very important, an overloaded spring will never work as it should
No. Once again you've ignored that FLEXIBILITY (in knees, anckles) is important factor when you choose your stance and angles. The issue, where - many - people can't do a full squad on flat feet (heels go up). So they need to stand wider to make a deeper squat. Also the fact that - many - people don't have the perfect body proportions (e.g. short legs - long torso) - so your "from ground to middle of the knee" will not work. I find that the best way to figure out a proper stance is to use a board with channel mounting system and burton's EST type bindgins. You mount the bindings - loosely (just put the screws but don't "tie" them) so your feet can - slide and rotate naturally. And go down and put your self in position where you do a deep - backside - carve. And let the stance and angles set - naturally (feet should slide outside and rotate freely). So this is your position that let you natuarlly do a deep squat and to achieve your proper postition during backside carve. Now let someone to measure the stance width and check the angles. I don't use burton's equipment. I just went to my friend (who has burton) to check my natural position during low backside turn.
Natural Stance (NS) is a height from barefoot floor to the center of your knee.
Stance Front Angle Rear Angle
All mountain: NS + 2CM +15 to +24 -6 to +6
Freestyle (parks): NS + 6CM +6 to +21 0 to -15
Freeride: NS + 4CM +21 to +30 0 to +9
Carving: NS +24 to +36 0 to +15
@Suz I've summarized video into one table. That's it.
@Suz can you maybe post what you think is the correct ones instead? I'll be happy to try them on a slope as well.
This comment is underrated and should be pinned
😊😊
Amazing vid. In 3 mins we got all the information and in depth and guide. Quick, simple and straight to the point. Snowboarding need more of those.
This has to be the best video on the subject! Fantastic graphical depiction and very clear language!
I ride with my natural stance and with angles of +30 +12. I don't ever run with a negative back foot any longer as it causes me knee pain. The posi posi stance helps me hard charge on-piste and I never feels it is a compromise in the powder as I prefer to very directional boards with a ton of float in the nose.
This is great! I never knew about measuring your knee. I’m going to try that I run my at +15 on the front and -15 on the rear.
@Suz Going to have to try this on my setup as I’ve referenced this video for my stance this season and I’m starting to suspect it’s too narrow for my 6’2 frame. I’ll get back to you after my next trip to the mountain
@suz4359love this
Thank you for the information to consider. The positioning of the bindings seem to fall into the black arts of suspension tuning similar to the automotive world. It is some fun settings to experiment with. The boots must be comfortable always. The best stance for your body frame and stature will provide the most fun and least amount of energy to have a great day all day long!
'Finding the right stance' is a great excuse for spending all day on the hill 😁
Just fixed my bindings. Short winter here in Ohio though so I’ll have to wait til late ‘24 to try it oht
Your vid is really helpful and short, need more like this, not like 10-15 minute vid for 1 information
Glad you found it useful, we have plenty more on the channel :)
Simple, professional, and incredibly helpful! Thanks!
I’m gonna run that carving setup with the positive angles on both. I have used a duck footed stance forever but I really want to carve hard and see how it feels
Not gonna regret that decision 🤙🤙
@@ninjamagic5150 it works great actually. I would recommend getting good at switch beforehand
@@bartmcdowell8349 can you ride switch with positive/postiive?
@@trader2137 i tried but i could not
Same here, curious about that carving feeling with positive stance
Thanks! I love to ride in bouth directions. so I prever a symetric stand. I am the only one?
Blessings!
wow i was not expecting you to suggest posi for freeriding, its insane how many people are riding duck while never riding switch! i switched to posi two years ago, part time, and i finally reached a point where it feels weird to ride duck (like i have riden for the past 20 years)
Change your stance, change your worldview!
I learned on 15/0. Then went to 12/12 on 1st proper board (twin). Just got a new directional board, as I hardly ever ride switch. Thinking of going back to 15/0 but may end up tweaking after testing new board
I went snowboarding yesterday and near the end of the day I felt my right knee was really starting to feel achy. I’m pretty sure it’s because of the way my board is set up. I’m excited to try one of these! 😊
It probably depends on your flexibility. I am pretty inflexible office guy ;) And only in duck stance I feel natural and no pain.
Is it the same across males and females as well since females have a lower center of gravity?
I cannot beleive i didnt think about decreasing the distance between the blindings. Im shorter so why have i just been using the default positions lol The knee measurement thing is interesting, i will give it a try
A discussion of setback would have been good to throw in here. It's become pretty popular and I even see park boards with a setback, and still not sure why.
2:39 is that in our system. Centring your stance around the reference puts your weight above the optimum point of the sidecut.
For true twin boards, this is the centre, for directional boards there is an inbuilt setback, optimised for each board.
Of course you could move the bindings forward or back from this, but that will dramatically alter the turning characteristic of a board.
Setback for a directional board should be 1" BOC (back of centre). That is measured on the effective edge (the contact points of where your board actually touches the snow) and not the overall length of the board.
This is a good starting point that allows easy turn initiation on the tip, and carving instead of skidding at the finish of the turn on the tail. If you have trouble initiating the turn move forward a 1/4", if you're having trouble finishing/skidding the turn move back 1/4".
A freestyle board would be 0" to 1/2" BOC, depending on whether you are a park rat or all mountain rider.
Every board has a specific side cut radius and you can fine tune your stance to maximize the performance/feel of any board.
i ride +15 and on my back binding is 0 and i my binding placement is set far back and my front is not to far back and i love that setup so much
so you don't ride switch?
@@qlose10you can ride switch like that
Lead foot: 30*
Rear foot: 15*
Landed pretty hard and tore my rear foot mcl. I don’t recommend having your rear foot more than 10* out
10 degrees into duck? or 10 degrees into the lead foot?
I should try the carving stance since I’m older now and so far less freestyle. I’ve been running a mild duck stance for 30years. I’ll experiment Friday when I go for a quick night session. Mostly I ride free ride higher speed and focus on edge to edge speed carving.
Hey, I have a question.
If my snowboard has a "setback" can I move both bindings in front direction in order to reduce the setback? Is that "allowed" ? :D
You can do whatever you want! This is just a guide. Nidecker boards will ride best if you keep your centre of mass over the point designated by the recommended stance so start with that, but if you try something else and prefer it then go for it.
Thank you so much for this. Now I know what to do.
my first time going was this past week. a friend of mine loaned me his board with a duck footed stance and it was ok but did not feel natural as i was riding with my right foot forward but when i switched to my left forward i felt unstoppable lol however the board was an advanced one kept spinning me around then i would catch the edge go down the slope a bit and spin again on the turn.. how can i stop spinning so much ???
Finally a video with PERCISE language and graphics to illustrate exactly what is being explained! So many useless videos of a guy in a snowboard shop or on the mountain just throwing out terms and guesses about how to figure out the best stance for the rider. Don't watch them, watch this!
Excellent video, thanks a lot!!!
Great great content! Thanks a lot ❤
So easy to understand even if begginer!! Thank you so much!!
I’ve been riding since 2017 but this year when I gave my board to repair they messed up the angles and I dont know what it was since I wasn’t too much into that stuff. What I found out this week waa that right side of my leg was hurting also right side of my foot was hurting. I ride with my right foot front, no parks or anything. What type of angle I need to fix this issue?
For my 168 height my floor to middle of the knee is 46 cm and most boards have a minumum insert of 49
Also my foot is a size 8us and i cannot buy short boards because they are too narrow and then freeride boards have bigger stances. If you make that video please also make producs that fit everybody not only medium and tall people. There are are also short people living on this rock :)
Natural stance +4 to ride Freeride board. That means you should ride a 50cm stance on a Freeride board and 52cm on a park board
@@largelester and tell me how many freeride boards have stances of 50?
@@alexandruionita8114 I have like 3 or 4 of them at my house. Boards have the holes and bindings have the angles. You bring the ride.
@@alexandruionita8114 Or you can measure your knee to floor with your boots on since most people ride in boots which means you can freeride stance on many 156 modern snowboards whose stance range is usually 52-64
45 front / 35 back. Been that way since 1988.
Best video ever. Thank you
Do you measure barefoot or with boots on for natural stance?
should not matter when you are measuring from the center of each foot/binding.
I meant when measuring from the ground to your knee cap to get the stance distance.
I had the same question!
since that measurement will vary only 1-2 cm then i dont think it matters as much, i guess try both and see which you feel most comfotable. you just dont want to be like 15 cm away from this form of measurement. because TO wide or TO narrow is no good
i assume from the base of the foot, since we are talking about a person's unique anatomy, and the ankle is part of that anatomy whereas a boot isnt.
Best explanation, thanks!
Great tutorial, but what if I'm a beginner and want to learn to switch?
Is duck a better option?
It all depends on the rider, which is why we give ranges rather than specific stance angles. Some people will find duck stance easiest, others will find a 'beginner' angle like +18/-9 just fine for going switch. Experiment! :)
@Suz do you think those free riding angles are a little crazy?
@Suz I know. Besides Euro-carving on a Euro board who goes double positive angles??
I don’t know if I can move the binds of my board
Very interesting video- I woul like to add acouple of details. I think the duck stance only makes sense on a twin tip board. Another disadvantage of the duckstance is that you see less going on higher speeds but as it is predominantly used on freestyle oards rather than on carving (directional) boards it shoul not be an big issue. The greatest advantage of the duck stance is surly that it gives you great stability when doing tricks as it is probably the moste natural stance. I personally never tried the duck stance because I am a former hardboot / raceboard rider anjust got used to this stance. Another aspect is certainly the size of your boots- in order to hit the edge your boots an bindings should be aligned with the edge otherwise good carving is impossible.
thanks anyways for this information-I am gonna measure the floor to knee thing right away.
I am a beginner and I am 5.4 ft and 240 lbs. I ride +15/-15 what would the best stance in your opinion to help me advance.
It depends what style of riding you want to progress towards - our recommendations for each are in the video :)
Curious how this applies to riding powder? Freeride stance?
All these stances work in powder for me after i set the rear binding back 4cm. But you better recenter after it packs back down....or your going down
Whats a good angle for a beginner
+15 in the front, 0 in the back
I still ride my nidecker bindings from 15+ years ago lol
i hope EVERYONE heard the part where you say it is a STARTING point! you really need to experiment and find the stance you are comfortable with. there is NO one stance fits all now one board fits all..
I set back my front foot just one screw hole and front foot is + 12 and my back foot is -4. I'm also goofy
When you say natural stance plus 2 cm, is that 2 cm total i.e. 1cm per binding or 2cm for each binding? Also thank you for this video!
Hey Brendan, we mean 1cm per foot, 2cm total. Hope that helps :)
@@ninjamagic5150 not necessarily true when you're one a directional twin. Thats what the reference marks are for. You just move evenly from there based on your stance. Measuring tip to binding and tail to binding only works on a true twin board.
I learned riding park +24, -24 😂, i ride on a park set up for all terrain its all i know haha
Good overall. Missing duck stand.
Natural stance + 2cm for me wasnt confortable i even have to reduce one cm and feel much confitable i think all this advice videos are just a guidance but only you are the one who have to try different stance till you get to the best spot .
Good advice 👍
I need help fixing my stance. Its starting to hurt my legs
Well, you're on the right page :)
My last perfect carving stance was 45/35...
Duck Style Baby! What a great Video, Thanks!
lately freestyle riders like all of them ride much more narrow stance. Why ? It seems its much better for freestyle performance than going +6cm wider.
After chatting to some team riders, common theme is longer tail = more pop.
I just measured floor to knee, and the length is only 17inches!!! I've been riding 20inches for a while. There ain't no way I can lower it to 17-18inches width. It feels so weird >
If what you have works for you, great! :) This is just a guide to get people started.
0 on back foot 15 on front foot.....probably comes from skateboarding, that's my natural stance on a skateboard before an ollie. If it's a pow day I offset by about -2" towards the back of the board.
+15 - 15 ist the best ....
I ride an even wider stance now that I use canted footbeds.
If anyone has come back to this video if you have the right size of board the stance width should be what’s suggested on the board! +12/+15 -6/-10 is ideal for all mountain/park!
there is no 10º on bindings. It comes on jumps of 3
:59 you dont rotate the plates, you rotate the bindings.
: D
Great video but it hardly aplies to shoet people. I am 5’4 and most of the boards i own don’t even have the inserts for me to have a natural stance, maybe if i buy women boards and then they don’t match for weight.
@@ninjamagic5150 The problem is the weight. I'm not a fat guy, but I do weigh 181 lbs, I measure 5'-7". These boards are designed to work with a weight in mind. That being said, I do plan on buying a shorter one later one. The one I got now is a 159
I a few words the anowboards are made for people that are taller. Not for short people.
Johnson height is a factor, but weight is much more important as boards do have a "spring" to them. If I went with the next number down (156), the most that board could support to function as it's intended would be 165lbs. I'm well over that. In my case, I'd probably go with an other brand that would be more in my numbers. 156 and 159 are not very far apart. But I'm a firm believer that weight is very important, an overloaded spring will never work as it should
@@alexandruionita8114 taller and skinny. Anything after that we have to figure it out ourselves lol
@@CurrentlyFishing :))
33/15 posi stance
i just do 15, -15 w the recommended width💀
+15° -9°
Switch riding without equal angles? Um, no...especially on a true twin
+12 -6 👌
👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻
15-15
slight duck is best if your board is wide enough (+6/-6)
0 0 all the way in
this end up being too narrow
am I the only one who is literally most comfortable at 0 and 0
?
yes ofc
@@crepesuzette1910 bruh
Probably not the only one but you're not going to have the best control or stability in this position.
double0 master race
There were 420 likes so I made a comment instead.
Center Duck
What is you natural stance then? 🤷♂️
Quack!
-9 & +15 here
No.
Once again you've ignored that FLEXIBILITY (in knees, anckles) is important factor when you choose your stance and angles. The issue, where - many - people can't do a full squad on flat feet (heels go up).
So they need to stand wider to make a deeper squat.
Also the fact that - many - people don't have the perfect body proportions (e.g. short legs - long torso) - so your "from ground to middle of the knee" will not work.
I find that the best way to figure out a proper stance is to use a board with channel mounting system and burton's EST type bindgins.
You mount the bindings - loosely (just put the screws but don't "tie" them) so your feet can - slide and rotate naturally.
And go down and put your self in position where you do a deep - backside - carve. And let the stance and angles set - naturally (feet should slide outside and rotate freely). So this is your position that let you natuarlly do a deep squat and to achieve your proper postition during backside carve.
Now let someone to measure the stance width and check the angles.
I don't use burton's equipment. I just went to my friend (who has burton) to check my natural position during low backside turn.
+21, +3
I ride 0,0 just cause it mush easier then to flex my ankles and bend my knees, just cause I’m not as flexible as many other people
Gross, posi stance is stupid. Leave that shit to boarder cross and longboard nerds.
There is no right stance what a load of shyt. It's all personal preference
As an american tax slave, haven't been up to the hill in 8 years or more.. quit rubbing it in...
Swetch