WHAT IS THE RIGHT SNOWBOARD STANCE FOR YOU?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2021
- You might be asking yourself, what is the right snowboard stance for me? Over many years of making snowboards and talking with scientists and physical therapists, we have figured out the best way to determine your snowboard binding angles and your stance width.
Most riders have developed their snowboard stance from a combination of trial and error, thrown together with a little bit of riding fashion and trends, or by just going with whatever their first rental shop set them up with. In reality it makes much more sense to begin by tuning your equipment to work with your personal anatomy.
Not only does our method of finding your snowboard stance work directly with the natural shape of your body, we've also fine-tuned it to work with many different riding styles, including all-mountain, resort, backcountry, freestyle and carving, as well as a formula specifically for beginner snowboarders.
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Amazing vid. In 3 mins we got all the information and in depth and guide. Quick, simple and straight to the point. Snowboarding need more of those.
Natural Stance (NS) is a height from barefoot floor to the center of your knee.
Stance Front Angle Rear Angle
All mountain: NS + 2CM +15 to +24 -6 to +6
Freestyle (parks): NS + 6CM +6 to +21 0 to -15
Freeride: NS + 4CM +21 to +30 0 to +9
Carving: NS +24 to +36 0 to +15
@Suz I've summarized video into one table. That's it.
@Suz can you maybe post what you think is the correct ones instead? I'll be happy to try them on a slope as well.
This comment is underrated and should be pinned
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This has to be the best video on the subject! Fantastic graphical depiction and very clear language!
Simple, professional, and incredibly helpful! Thanks!
I ride with my natural stance and with angles of +30 +12. I don't ever run with a negative back foot any longer as it causes me knee pain. The posi posi stance helps me hard charge on-piste and I never feels it is a compromise in the powder as I prefer to very directional boards with a ton of float in the nose.
Your vid is really helpful and short, need more like this, not like 10-15 minute vid for 1 information
Glad you found it useful, we have plenty more on the channel :)
So easy to understand even if begginer!! Thank you so much!!
Thank you so much for this. Now I know what to do.
Thank you for the information to consider. The positioning of the bindings seem to fall into the black arts of suspension tuning similar to the automotive world. It is some fun settings to experiment with. The boots must be comfortable always. The best stance for your body frame and stature will provide the most fun and least amount of energy to have a great day all day long!
'Finding the right stance' is a great excuse for spending all day on the hill 😁
Very interesting video- I woul like to add acouple of details. I think the duck stance only makes sense on a twin tip board. Another disadvantage of the duckstance is that you see less going on higher speeds but as it is predominantly used on freestyle oards rather than on carving (directional) boards it shoul not be an big issue. The greatest advantage of the duck stance is surly that it gives you great stability when doing tricks as it is probably the moste natural stance. I personally never tried the duck stance because I am a former hardboot / raceboard rider anjust got used to this stance. Another aspect is certainly the size of your boots- in order to hit the edge your boots an bindings should be aligned with the edge otherwise good carving is impossible.
thanks anyways for this information-I am gonna measure the floor to knee thing right away.
This is great! I never knew about measuring your knee. I’m going to try that I run my at +15 on the front and -15 on the rear.
@Suz Going to have to try this on my setup as I’ve referenced this video for my stance this season and I’m starting to suspect it’s too narrow for my 6’2 frame. I’ll get back to you after my next trip to the mountain
@suz4359love this
Best explanation, thanks!
Just fixed my bindings. Short winter here in Ohio though so I’ll have to wait til late ‘24 to try it oht
Best video ever. Thank you
I learned on 15/0. Then went to 12/12 on 1st proper board (twin). Just got a new directional board, as I hardly ever ride switch. Thinking of going back to 15/0 but may end up tweaking after testing new board
I cannot beleive i didnt think about decreasing the distance between the blindings. Im shorter so why have i just been using the default positions lol The knee measurement thing is interesting, i will give it a try
Excellent video, thanks a lot!!!
I should try the carving stance since I’m older now and so far less freestyle. I’ve been running a mild duck stance for 30years. I’ll experiment Friday when I go for a quick night session. Mostly I ride free ride higher speed and focus on edge to edge speed carving.
Beautiful animations
Great great content! Thanks a lot ❤
I went snowboarding yesterday and near the end of the day I felt my right knee was really starting to feel achy. I’m pretty sure it’s because of the way my board is set up. I’m excited to try one of these! 😊
It probably depends on your flexibility. I am pretty inflexible office guy ;) And only in duck stance I feel natural and no pain.
Duck Style Baby! What a great Video, Thanks!
Thanks! I love to ride in bouth directions. so I prever a symetric stand. I am the only one?
Blessings!
i ride +15 and on my back binding is 0 and i my binding placement is set far back and my front is not to far back and i love that setup so much
so you don't ride switch?
@@qlose10you can ride switch like that
Finally a video with PERCISE language and graphics to illustrate exactly what is being explained! So many useless videos of a guy in a snowboard shop or on the mountain just throwing out terms and guesses about how to figure out the best stance for the rider. Don't watch them, watch this!
wow i was not expecting you to suggest posi for freeriding, its insane how many people are riding duck while never riding switch! i switched to posi two years ago, part time, and i finally reached a point where it feels weird to ride duck (like i have riden for the past 20 years)
Change your stance, change your worldview!
I’m gonna run that carving setup with the positive angles on both. I have used a duck footed stance forever but I really want to carve hard and see how it feels
Not gonna regret that decision 🤙🤙
You will probably destroy yourself. I won't recommend it. Because u would need a race board stiff. And maybe race boots. Edges full time..or u will fall over.
@@ninjamagic5150 it works great actually. I would recommend getting good at switch beforehand
@@bartmcdowell8349 can you ride switch with positive/postiive?
@@trader2137 i tried but i could not
I still ride my nidecker bindings from 15+ years ago lol
Lead foot: 30*
Rear foot: 15*
Landed pretty hard and tore my rear foot mcl. I don’t recommend having your rear foot more than 10* out
10 degrees into duck? or 10 degrees into the lead foot?
A discussion of setback would have been good to throw in here. It's become pretty popular and I even see park boards with a setback, and still not sure why.
2:39 is that in our system. Centring your stance around the reference puts your weight above the optimum point of the sidecut.
For true twin boards, this is the centre, for directional boards there is an inbuilt setback, optimised for each board.
Of course you could move the bindings forward or back from this, but that will dramatically alter the turning characteristic of a board.
Setback for a directional board should be 1" BOC (back of centre). That is measured on the effective edge (the contact points of where your board actually touches the snow) and not the overall length of the board.
This is a good starting point that allows easy turn initiation on the tip, and carving instead of skidding at the finish of the turn on the tail. If you have trouble initiating the turn move forward a 1/4", if you're having trouble finishing/skidding the turn move back 1/4".
A freestyle board would be 0" to 1/2" BOC, depending on whether you are a park rat or all mountain rider.
Every board has a specific side cut radius and you can fine tune your stance to maximize the performance/feel of any board.
Is it the same across males and females as well since females have a lower center of gravity?
I’ve been riding since 2017 but this year when I gave my board to repair they messed up the angles and I dont know what it was since I wasn’t too much into that stuff. What I found out this week waa that right side of my leg was hurting also right side of my foot was hurting. I ride with my right foot front, no parks or anything. What type of angle I need to fix this issue?
Good overall. Missing duck stand.
I don’t know if I can move the binds of my board
My last perfect carving stance was 45/35...
I set back my front foot just one screw hole and front foot is + 12 and my back foot is -4. I'm also goofy
45 front / 35 back. Been that way since 1988.
I ride an even wider stance now that I use canted footbeds.
i hope EVERYONE heard the part where you say it is a STARTING point! you really need to experiment and find the stance you are comfortable with. there is NO one stance fits all now one board fits all..
Curious how this applies to riding powder? Freeride stance?
All these stances work in powder for me after i set the rear binding back 4cm. But you better recenter after it packs back down....or your going down
Natural stance + 2cm for me wasnt confortable i even have to reduce one cm and feel much confitable i think all this advice videos are just a guidance but only you are the one who have to try different stance till you get to the best spot .
Good advice 👍
When you say natural stance plus 2 cm, is that 2 cm total i.e. 1cm per binding or 2cm for each binding? Also thank you for this video!
Depending on your board. Size. First. Second is your stance. Is measured from center of the board to binding holes. Equal tip. To bindings to width of stand to binding to tail. Should all equal out..like a 17 inch tail and nose to bindings and in-between should also be almost 17. Than you know your board is perfectly balanced out.. Depending on size of board. But is the same set-up. Mounting holes should tell u set back or centered if they are than equal it out. Stand on it before u mount the bindings.
Hey Brendan, we mean 1cm per foot, 2cm total. Hope that helps :)
@@ninjamagic5150 not necessarily true when you're one a directional twin. Thats what the reference marks are for. You just move evenly from there based on your stance. Measuring tip to binding and tail to binding only works on a true twin board.
Great tutorial, but what if I'm a beginner and want to learn to switch?
Is duck a better option?
It all depends on the rider, which is why we give ranges rather than specific stance angles. Some people will find duck stance easiest, others will find a 'beginner' angle like +18/-9 just fine for going switch. Experiment! :)
@Suz do you think those free riding angles are a little crazy?
@Suz I know. Besides Euro-carving on a Euro board who goes double positive angles??
Hey, I have a question.
If my snowboard has a "setback" can I move both bindings in front direction in order to reduce the setback? Is that "allowed" ? :D
You can do whatever you want! This is just a guide. Nidecker boards will ride best if you keep your centre of mass over the point designated by the recommended stance so start with that, but if you try something else and prefer it then go for it.
For my 168 height my floor to middle of the knee is 46 cm and most boards have a minumum insert of 49
Also my foot is a size 8us and i cannot buy short boards because they are too narrow and then freeride boards have bigger stances. If you make that video please also make producs that fit everybody not only medium and tall people. There are are also short people living on this rock :)
Natural stance +4 to ride Freeride board. That means you should ride a 50cm stance on a Freeride board and 52cm on a park board
@@largelester and tell me how many freeride boards have stances of 50?
@@alexandruionita8114 I have like 3 or 4 of them at my house. Boards have the holes and bindings have the angles. You bring the ride.
@@alexandruionita8114 Or you can measure your knee to floor with your boots on since most people ride in boots which means you can freeride stance on many 156 modern snowboards whose stance range is usually 52-64
I am a beginner and I am 5.4 ft and 240 lbs. I ride +15/-15 what would the best stance in your opinion to help me advance.
It depends what style of riding you want to progress towards - our recommendations for each are in the video :)
+15 - 15 ist the best ....
I just measured floor to knee, and the length is only 17inches!!! I've been riding 20inches for a while. There ain't no way I can lower it to 17-18inches width. It feels so weird >
If what you have works for you, great! :) This is just a guide to get people started.
0 on back foot 15 on front foot.....probably comes from skateboarding, that's my natural stance on a skateboard before an ollie. If it's a pow day I offset by about -2" towards the back of the board.
If anyone has come back to this video if you have the right size of board the stance width should be what’s suggested on the board! +12/+15 -6/-10 is ideal for all mountain/park!
there is no 10º on bindings. It comes on jumps of 3
I need help fixing my stance. Its starting to hurt my legs
Well, you're on the right page :)
Do you measure barefoot or with boots on for natural stance?
should not matter when you are measuring from the center of each foot/binding.
I meant when measuring from the ground to your knee cap to get the stance distance.
I had the same question!
since that measurement will vary only 1-2 cm then i dont think it matters as much, i guess try both and see which you feel most comfotable. you just dont want to be like 15 cm away from this form of measurement. because TO wide or TO narrow is no good
i assume from the base of the foot, since we are talking about a person's unique anatomy, and the ankle is part of that anatomy whereas a boot isnt.
+12 -6 👌
33/15 posi stance
i just do 15, -15 w the recommended width💀
lately freestyle riders like all of them ride much more narrow stance. Why ? It seems its much better for freestyle performance than going +6cm wider.
After chatting to some team riders, common theme is longer tail = more pop.
15-15
slight duck is best if your board is wide enough (+6/-6)
+15° -9°
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0 0 all the way in
Great video but it hardly aplies to shoet people. I am 5’4 and most of the boards i own don’t even have the inserts for me to have a natural stance, maybe if i buy women boards and then they don’t match for weight.
Think you should try different sizes of boards like a 153 or 155. Than set it up equal for twin should help you out. To go to big..
@@ninjamagic5150 The problem is the weight. I'm not a fat guy, but I do weigh 181 lbs, I measure 5'-7". These boards are designed to work with a weight in mind. That being said, I do plan on buying a shorter one later one. The one I got now is a 159
@Saulo Ventura you should be riding max 157 156. Would be your board don't worry about weight it's the length I'm almost 300 pounds and ride a 159. Normal board and 6.1 tall fits me perfectly. So I would ride that. 157 has same running length as a 159. Snow contact effective edges. Trust me..
I a few words the anowboards are made for people that are taller. Not for short people.
Johnson height is a factor, but weight is much more important as boards do have a "spring" to them. If I went with the next number down (156), the most that board could support to function as it's intended would be 165lbs. I'm well over that. In my case, I'd probably go with an other brand that would be more in my numbers. 156 and 159 are not very far apart. But I'm a firm believer that weight is very important, an overloaded spring will never work as it should
Center Duck
Switch riding without equal angles? Um, no...especially on a true twin
Quack!
this end up being too narrow
There were 420 likes so I made a comment instead.
am I the only one who is literally most comfortable at 0 and 0
?
yes ofc
@@crepesuzette1910 bruh
Probably not the only one but you're not going to have the best control or stability in this position.
double0 master race
+21, +3
-9 & +15 here
What is you natural stance then? 🤷♂️
You would not enjoy any of these to much angle. Max is like 15° front. duck stance. Or zero back leg. Or double 15° In a board that's your size. Centered or setback a few holes. Beginner should ride 14° duck centered 155 156 159 max with a soft freestyle board to ride both directions. Learning u get board to big and wrong angle and width. Will be impossible to ride. No matter how good u are. I ride a 159. 270 pounds size 13 boot. Xl bindings with centered duck 14° normal board. I'm 6.1 don't listen to anyone all depends on personal preference what feels good to you if I listen to the Scientist I should be riding a 163 wide. Is huge. Maybe big mountain. Better be strong as hell to ride that monster. Just saying I've been boarding over 17 seasons now. Brighton UT. And instructor. For 2. Why you rent test and adjust intell it works good 4 u. No one is riding it except you. So don't be embarrassed. Take the time and figure it out. And soon you will ripping in no time.
TLDR: Experiment to find your most comfortable stance. LoL
This totally depends on the stiffness of the board. At 270lbs a soft board would need to be longer (stiffer) or else you'd fold it. But if you get a stiff deck to begin with then correct sizing becomes possible with a shorter board.
No.
Once again you've ignored that FLEXIBILITY (in knees, anckles) is important factor when you choose your stance and angles. The issue, where - many - people can't do a full squad on flat feet (heels go up).
So they need to stand wider to make a deeper squat.
Also the fact that - many - people don't have the perfect body proportions (e.g. short legs - long torso) - so your "from ground to middle of the knee" will not work.
I find that the best way to figure out a proper stance is to use a board with channel mounting system and burton's EST type bindgins.
You mount the bindings - loosely (just put the screws but don't "tie" them) so your feet can - slide and rotate naturally.
And go down and put your self in position where you do a deep - backside - carve. And let the stance and angles set - naturally (feet should slide outside and rotate freely). So this is your position that let you natuarlly do a deep squat and to achieve your proper postition during backside carve.
Now let someone to measure the stance width and check the angles.
I don't use burton's equipment. I just went to my friend (who has burton) to check my natural position during low backside turn.
I ride 0,0 just cause it mush easier then to flex my ankles and bend my knees, just cause I’m not as flexible as many other people
There is no right stance what a load of shyt. It's all personal preference
Gross, posi stance is stupid. Leave that shit to boarder cross and longboard nerds.
What board is that?
As an american tax slave, haven't been up to the hill in 8 years or more.. quit rubbing it in...