Hey, Ian. The inscription on the "fancy" pistol says "Coronel (Colonel) Roberto A. Goñi". Goñi was a Chilean military officer who took part in the War of the Pacific in 1879 and retired as a General in 1913. There's not much information about him out there but at least now you know the provenance of that particular gun
"El mercurio" Chilean newspaper cites him ar retiring on January 8th 1913. In the 15th of march 1903 he's cited in the organization of Sunday "retretas" (military parade) in the Ñuñoa plaza. He ended up being Jefe de Estado MAyor del Ejercito (JEME) or Army Chief of Staff in English
Oh, my bad, I mistyped 1913 (the 0 is right below the 1 in the numpad). I checked El Mercurio for information as well but didn't know he ended up being the JEME, that's quite an achievement for a military officer!
The difference, at least in Spain, between a Colonel and a General is only politics. Whatever the rank it is not an officer but in the highest rank possible.
I don't think so. A colonel is a commissioned officer while a general is a flag rank officer. It's like the difference between a captain and an admiral in the navy
you are using anglosaxon nomenclature for a chilean and of spanish tradition for the matter in question. In the Armada (navy) the Colonel is "Capitán de Navío" not just Captain (there is also C. de fragata and C de corbeta). Not so easy. And it hasn't changed much since 1768.
I've often wondered about this myself. My theory is it is some conservative anti gun people who subscribe to hundreds of gun channels and give them all a thumbs down and report them all for inappropriate content every time they post a video. They do not care about the content or history. They only have one tool to exert their will. The thumbs down button. I however have two tools at my disposal. The thumbs up button and my Patron donation to this content.
Eey Ore But I like gun Jesus and also support gun control... Mostly through education campaigns, though, I feel like Americans are largely ignorant about firearms, which is why there are a large number of arbitrary restrictions in stuff like the NFA. Effective gun control is possible (see Canada, Australia), but Americans tend to either worship, demonise, or be altogether apathetic towards firearms.
Yeah, gun control is definitely effective at reducing gun violence. Although as effective as it is in Australia it is a little over the top. In my state, I'm only allowed to own a maximum of 8 guns including a max of 2 handguns (handgun ownership is a whole nother level of restrictions). Nothing over .45 calibre or more than 10 round mag capacity (4 rounds for shotguns). Not allowed a centre fire rifle at all unless you're a professional hunter or farmer. No semi auto rifles allowed. You MUST be active in a sanctioned shooting club attending a shooting range a minimum 6 times a year to keep your license valid. Don't forget Switzerland. It has very robust and sensible gun control laws but is often touted by gun enthusiasts from the US as a prime example of a country with practically no gun control with very low gun violence. Of course this is completely false and a grossly ignorant claim.
Australia went past gun control and out the other way into madness. Just now a man is being tried for unlawful possession of a firearm because he 3D printed a model of a pistol with no working parts. Under Australian law, things that look like a firearm are subject to the same restrictions as a firearm. He faces up to 20 years in prison. Restricting weapons by type doesn't make much sense and it doesn't help anything. I mean regular personal firearms, of course, not bombs or missiles. In my country (CZ), you need to pass tests, background checks and a medical examination, but after that the types or number of firearms one can own are not really limited (except fully automatic). Czech republic is the sixth most peaceful country in the world.
Being from the same time in history I think that pistol engraved with "Coronel Roberto A. Goñi" was originally owned by Chilean (then) Col. Roberto Anacleto Goñi Simpson. I know nothing more about him as he does not appear too much in the net but it seems he was a known historical character locally.
The obvious advantage of this system over a revolver is that when you run out of ammo you can instantly push in another clip in contrast to revolver wich you need to open the cylinder and replace the spent cartridges one by one - A BIG difference.
I think they invented Moon clips (since surpassed by speed loaders) by this point. EDIT: I just wikied it, this pistol was about 10 years before the introduction of moon clips.
Always great to see another forgottenweapons video in my feed. I've watched so many videos and you've taught me so much about not only firearms history, but firearms in general. Keep up the great work!
What an amazing collection of rare pistols and what a cool thing to be able to look at them up close! Thank you, Ian. Please express my appreciation to the owner of this collection for allowing you to bring us this video.
Come on, admit it, y'all *knew* there was a Mannlicher video lurking in the shadows... waiting to pounce. ;-) ...since the Bergmann vids are currently on holiday.
Hey Ian, could you please make a video which compares all blow forward designs please? I'm very interested in that particular yet different approach to gun mechanics. Best regards
You said these pistols were "fairly simple". As a machinist of 30 yrs. all I can say is....BAHAHAHA! You've got to be kidding me. All those tiny, intricate parts would be hard enough on modern CNC. I can't imagine building such 120 yrs ago. Amazing!
The name engraved on the backstrap is Coronel Roberto A Goñi (letter "ñ" has a pronunciation like "gn" in italian). Quite possibly a person related to Navarra province in Spain.That last name is very specific to the northern half of NAvarre province in Spain. The A is possibly a middle name like Antonio or Alberto. There is a chilean Colonel and later General Roberto Goñi that retired the 8th January of 1913. There are some earlier 1903 records in "el Mercurio" that cite him as being colonel. He participated in the Pacific and Chilean civil wars.
So Ian have you actually seen or heard of someone reefing down on that barrel shroud clip? I assume breaking and replacing it would knock a fair bit off the value of an all original parts gun or not I don't really know much about antique gun collecting
Not a bad design for the time. Mannlicher was a rather good designer. I think the 9 round version may had gone over better. It offers a clear advantage over a revolver. This being 5 rounds, nothing really more then a revolver can do here.
wander if you could effectively make one of these integrally suppressed by drilling small ports in the barrel and changing out the shroud with a baffled tube that hugs the barrel. interesting gun
Ian, an academic question to a gun history specialist... Why, in the name of Lord, people tend to add Nagant name to Mosin's 1891 rifle, but sort of hesitate adding Mannlicher's name to Carcano as well as Mauser to Springfield, etc.? As far as I'm concerned, Leon Nagant was Mosin's rival at the same trials 1889-1891, with a rifle(s) of his own making, and eventually had a minor-ish influence on pattern 1891 rifle design. Books tell that Nagant took an international patent for the "interrupter" - allowing to discard above mentioned Mannlicher en-bloc clip - although it's proven that he borrowed it from Mosin's design initially (Mosin could not apply for a patent since he was an officer of the Russian army, and the design of his rifle was owned by the government). Furthermore, despite the fact that Nagant's rifle has failed the trials, he was paid by Russian Ordnance Dept just the same prize sum as the winner. And now his name is being persistently married with pattern 1891 rifle which he had nothing to do with... I may be wrong, of course, but, in my perspective, Nagant hasn't really earned this privilege - meanwhile, Mannlicher's design was actually the core of Carcano rifle, just as Mauser was for Spriengfield 1903 and many others... Could someone please explain this nonsense?
Hi, this is an old question and I don't know if this will help, in short, it was national pride, remember WWI, the italians and austro-hungarians ended up as enemies in the conflict, having a designer's name from the country you're fighting isn't to patriotic, C&Rsenal do a better job explaining this I think, I hope I helped you two years later.
@@galdrekweigandkahal7916 Appreciate your reply, as this question is still up... Indeed, fighting krauts with Mauser would sound awkward for sure. And it was the national pride again what brought Mosin's name back up in the late 1930-s. Over these years I've got a few more details on 1889-1891 trials - and found that Nagant's influence on design was slightly more sufficient (the general concept of the magasine and clip, radically improved by Mosin)... Let's not forget marketing tricks - Nagant bros were quite famous around the globe back in 1890-s. Adding their name to a rifle by some cpt. Mosin presumably should of raise its value, as european stuff was extremely popular in ill-developed Tsar's Russia... But, if we privilege gun owner's national pride, and drop Mannlicher from Carcano for instance - we owed to be consistent, even if we speak of Resident Evil itself, a.k.a. Soviet Russia (literally, alone on its side), no?.. Many choose to forget that Belgians participated in WW2 on the enemy's side and manned 27th (Langemarck) and 28th (Vallonie) divisions of Waffen-SS, who brought a hell of a lot of suffering to our lands... And been fought with that rifle, actually... Following your own faultless logic, the Nagant name was supposingly to be dropped. But - no! Who cares of them stupid Russians anyway!.. Even more to add. Both Mosin and Nagant SOLD their designs to the government which became its lawfull owner (Mosin was an asset initially, but they have thrown 200K rubles to Nagant, like if he won the contest)... When Eugene Stoner sold his rifle to Colt, it immediately became known as Colt (CAR = Colt Automatic Rifle). Nobody says Stoner M16 nor Armalite M16 - it's always Colt M16 ("It's got my name on it!"(c)... I bear a huge respect for Sam Colt, a great man and gun designer, but here he was just a manufacturer and trademark owner... Trully, I don't see much difference in Mosin-Nagant case...
I'm not sure that I quite understand the physics of the blow forward action. The friction of the bullet within the barrel pulls the barrel forward against the tension of the recoil spring. The case of the cartridge is pushed back (equal but opposite force) and held by the extractor. Seems like this would have been incredibly difficult to get balanced just right.
Before metric, almost every country had its own measuring system (most with older history than US), and all of them swallowed their pride and adopted metric system to ease life of their citizens, and to ease international trade, collaboration and comunication.
Exploatores I'm British and know and use both. My job actually still uses imperial measurements, and most people still use imperial measurements daily when thinking of their weight or in distance/speed in their cars. I'm a fan of metric in general though due to its ability to easily convert volume/weight etc
I was in US public schools during the big push for the metric system. I didn't really grasp its advantages until studying engineering in college. I think the US government effort was hampered by being run by people who didn't understand *why* the metric system was easier - all my teachers kept saying is "one millionth of the Earth's radius is better", and nothing about global trade or easier engineering calculations.
Ian! :) .. or does anyone know? ... where is this fireplace in the background :) .. why has there never been a fire in it ... I put a gas "fire log" in my old fireplace ... cheap and (once you neck the flu down) very efficient! .... Heats my (northern Canadian) house alone in spring and fall ... cost was I think around $175
Wait, so if the entire barrel moves forward when you discharge the gun what would happen if you pressed the gun right up against something when you fired? Like if you were fighting in close quarters and had pressed the gun into your target due to space limitations. Would the gun just fail to cycle another round or would the feeding mechanism break or would it have enough force to just move your whole arm back and allow the barrel to fully extend?
So, if you (i) push the barrel forward by hand when the gun still has 2 or more rounds in it and (ii) keep the pressure on so that the barrel remains in the forward position, then (iii) the topmost round will get ejected, but (iv) you'll end up in a perfect position to fire the next round completely out of battery bu pulling the trigger? :)
I'm having a hard time figuring a purpose for the Mannlicher 1894. Why would anyone want a pistol, that is worse than a revolver? For the sleek and futuristic look?
They might've just thought "if it's auto, it's better." No military actually adopted it, though. To it's credit, this pistol had a simpler action than other early semi-autos, which were also patented at the time, meaning Mannlicher could save money by making his own patent.
but how the hell is the force to pull the barrel forward comming from? does the bullet pull it or is there something like a gas-port to collect expanging gases?
@@gamerbg294 Really interesting idea. Actually seems like it would be easy to implement compared to other actions, even if it makes the recoil worse, cool stuff.
@@jellyman1735in fact, it's a simpler system (less parts) than the original blowback, but personally I think if they applied techniques to decrease the blowfoward system's felt recoil will be an interesting option
@@jellyman1735 I don't know, but a drawback of the blowfoward system is that you have to push the bolt forward and it can be uncomfortable and even dangerous (since you can accidentally put your hand in front of the barrel)
Thank you for another fantastic learning experience. Question: You mention that in some way those were even worst than revolvers. What is bad about a revolver and how are these guns worst?
When you say automatic pistol, you mean semi-automatic right, as per rifles. Why the different nomenclature? (I know there are automatic pistols that really are, that's why I'm confused)
CheshireTomcat68 I've wondered about that as well. I think it's "automatic" referring to the fact it's self-cycling or something along those lines, then "fully-automatic" refers to a gun that rapid fires without having to repeatedly pull the trigger.
I just thought self-cycling was semi automatic as you had to re-pull the trigger to let off the next round,. If you held the trigger down, nothing else happened. Are automatic and fully-automatic different. Help Ian!
@@CheshireTomcat68 I think he's just using the language of the time. Since full-auto pistols did not exist yet (and are crazy impractical anyways) if someone said "automatic pistol" everyone would know that they're talking about a self-loader, rather than a single shot or a revolver.
Hm I wonder how reliable those pistols were. I mean it kinda seems natural to me that early automatic pistols would borrow a lot of things from revolvers of the time so the question to me is: did they have any advantage over such a revolver other than that it's probably faster to load a stripper clip than a revolver drum :D
It should work just fine. There's been 2 automatic grenade launchers mass produced using the blow-forward action, and at least one self-loading shotgun. The only problem is the recoil. Since the whole barrel moves forward, the felt recoil is higher than other actions. Ian tested an 1908 model blow forward chambered for .32 and said it kicked like a 9mm. I imagine an actual 9mm would kick even harder.
Dear Ian, will you ever do some videos on, pardon my harsh language, bullshit ammunition like the .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer? Keep up the great work.
I'm Sorry but I don't understand what the advantage of this pistol was. Usually you can see more ammo capaicity, Faster reload, etc. This thing seems to be an answer to no question.
Mannlicher didn't want to pay royalties and the other actions were already patented. In the few cases of other firearms being built with a blow-forward operation, the advantage is lighter weight and compact size.
That IS a clip. A magazine is a component that stores rounds and feeds them into the chamber. When you have a pack of bullets that you have to shove into the gun into the internal magazine it's a clip.
@Ariel the fact you still can't figure out the difference between a magazine and a clip, and enjoy pretending your correct and criticizing others is what really is cancerous....
Nah, Männlich means masculine or rather just male. Mannlicher can’t be directly translated, but „more like a man“ would be the best translation. But even that can just be swapped for „männlicher“, which makes much more sense grammatically and actually is a real word.
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Hey, Ian. The inscription on the "fancy" pistol says "Coronel (Colonel) Roberto A. Goñi". Goñi was a Chilean military officer who took part in the War of the Pacific in 1879 and retired as a General in 1913. There's not much information about him out there but at least now you know the provenance of that particular gun
"El mercurio" Chilean newspaper cites him ar retiring on January 8th 1913. In the 15th of march 1903 he's cited in the organization of Sunday "retretas" (military parade) in the Ñuñoa plaza. He ended up being Jefe de Estado MAyor del Ejercito (JEME) or Army Chief of Staff in English
Oh, my bad, I mistyped 1913 (the 0 is right below the 1 in the numpad). I checked El Mercurio for information as well but didn't know he ended up being the JEME, that's quite an achievement for a military officer!
The difference, at least in Spain, between a Colonel and a General is only politics. Whatever the rank it is not an officer but in the highest rank possible.
I don't think so. A colonel is a commissioned officer while a general is a flag rank officer. It's like the difference between a captain and an admiral in the navy
you are using anglosaxon nomenclature for a chilean and of spanish tradition for the matter in question. In the Armada (navy) the Colonel is "Capitán de Navío" not just Captain (there is also C. de fragata and C de corbeta). Not so easy. And it hasn't changed much since 1768.
"Trust me it's bigger, you just have to feel it in your hand"
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I REALLY love the "no intro" format!! .. Intro's are so 90's ... great job Ian keeping up with the times! :)
golly gosh in in the first 20 to watch this video. I really like this channel for allowing us to see guns that he usually can only be seen in museums
Why would anyone thumbs down a forgotten weapons video?
I've often wondered about this myself. My theory is it is some conservative anti gun people who subscribe to hundreds of gun channels and give them all a thumbs down and report them all for inappropriate content every time they post a video. They do not care about the content or history. They only have one tool to exert their will. The thumbs down button. I however have two tools at my disposal. The thumbs up button and my Patron donation to this content.
Eey Ore But I like gun Jesus and also support gun control...
Mostly through education campaigns, though, I feel like Americans are largely ignorant about firearms, which is why there are a large number of arbitrary restrictions in stuff like the NFA. Effective gun control is possible (see Canada, Australia), but Americans tend to either worship, demonise, or be altogether apathetic towards firearms.
Yeah, gun control is definitely effective at reducing gun violence.
Although as effective as it is in Australia it is a little over the top. In my state, I'm only allowed to own a maximum of 8 guns including a max of 2 handguns (handgun ownership is a whole nother level of restrictions). Nothing over .45 calibre or more than 10 round mag capacity (4 rounds for shotguns). Not allowed a centre fire rifle at all unless you're a professional hunter or farmer. No semi auto rifles allowed. You MUST be active in a sanctioned shooting club attending a shooting range a minimum 6 times a year to keep your license valid.
Don't forget Switzerland. It has very robust and sensible gun control laws but is often touted by gun enthusiasts from the US as a prime example of a country with practically no gun control with very low gun violence. Of course this is completely false and a grossly ignorant claim.
Australia went past gun control and out the other way into madness.
Just now a man is being tried for unlawful possession of a firearm because he 3D printed a model of a pistol with no working parts. Under Australian law, things that look like a firearm are subject to the same restrictions as a firearm. He faces up to 20 years in prison.
Restricting weapons by type doesn't make much sense and it doesn't help anything. I mean regular personal firearms, of course, not bombs or missiles. In my country (CZ), you need to pass tests, background checks and a medical examination, but after that the types or number of firearms one can own are not really limited (except fully automatic).
Czech republic is the sixth most peaceful country in the world.
what the fuck,is this a joke?that is completely opposite(except the subbing)
"We've made a new automatic pistol to replace your revolvers!"
"Great! What advantages does it offer over a revolver?"
"......listen."
Being from the same time in history I think that pistol engraved with "Coronel Roberto A. Goñi" was originally owned by Chilean (then) Col. Roberto Anacleto Goñi Simpson. I know nothing more about him as he does not appear too much in the net but it seems he was a known historical character locally.
+Christian Meyer That would probably raise the value of the gun isn't it? That's a pretty unique piece of Chilean history.
The obvious advantage of this system over a revolver is that when you run out of ammo you can instantly push in another clip in contrast to revolver wich you need to open the cylinder and replace the spent cartridges one by one - A BIG difference.
I think they invented Moon clips (since surpassed by speed loaders) by this point.
EDIT: I just wikied it, this pistol was about 10 years before the introduction of moon clips.
I've heard of "blow forward", but hadn't previously seen a demonstration of function. Thank you.
Oh wow, I've been wanting to take a look at one of these for God knows how long! Thanks Ian!
Always great to see another forgottenweapons video in my feed. I've watched so many videos and you've taught me so much about not only firearms history, but firearms in general. Keep up the great work!
This time period was really great in case of mechanical solutions, i love it, thanks showing it
love the way you always say " EN MASSE" instead of the anglicised "ON MASS" , always tickles me !
Very interesting design. Excellent presentation as always. Your videos never fail to be both informative and strangely relaxing. Thanks Ian
It feels really weird to watch Ian dry fire a gun.
What an amazing collection of rare pistols and what a cool thing to be able to look at them up close! Thank you, Ian. Please express my appreciation to the owner of this collection for allowing you to bring us this video.
just so ya know, the yoke is called a spring cramp and the hook thingy is called a stirip.
Wow! Thanks for that. I was genuinely fascinated
Come on, admit it, y'all *knew* there was a Mannlicher video lurking in the shadows... waiting to pounce. ;-)
...since the Bergmann vids are currently on holiday.
Great vids Ian! :) Greetings from the Oban Distillery!
Hi! :)
Beautiful construction and most interesting design.
Beautiful collection
A couple of automatic grenade launchers use blow-forward action, like the US Mk20 Mod 0 and the Howa Type 96.
Hey Ian, could you please make a video which compares all blow forward designs please? I'm very interested in that particular yet different approach to gun mechanics. Best regards
I would to see a video on british Bulldog revolvers!
That collection! :o
If it had like a 10 round magazine it would have been another story.
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Having PTSD from Junji Ito's Uzumaki.
You said these pistols were "fairly simple". As a machinist of 30 yrs. all I can say is....BAHAHAHA! You've got to be kidding me. All those tiny, intricate parts would be hard enough on modern CNC. I can't imagine building such 120 yrs ago. Amazing!
Well, simple compared to other semi-automatic handguns, I guess.
The name engraved on the backstrap is Coronel Roberto A Goñi (letter "ñ" has a pronunciation like "gn" in italian). Quite possibly a person related to Navarra province in Spain.That last name is very specific to the northern half of NAvarre province in Spain. The A is possibly a middle name like Antonio or Alberto. There is a chilean Colonel and later General Roberto Goñi that retired the 8th January of 1913. There are some earlier 1903 records in "el Mercurio" that cite him as being colonel. He participated in the Pacific and Chilean civil wars.
If he is Chilean it would make sense that he is from the Basque country in some capacity.
Have you ever seen Joseph Enouy's 8 cylinder 48 shot percussion revolver? Please say yes!
So Ian have you actually seen or heard of someone reefing down on that barrel shroud clip? I assume breaking and replacing it would knock a fair bit off the value of an all original parts gun or not I don't really know much about antique gun collecting
Not a bad design for the time. Mannlicher was a rather good designer. I think the 9 round version may had gone over better. It offers a clear advantage over a revolver. This being 5 rounds, nothing really more then a revolver can do here.
love the video's, keep it up. any chance you can post at 6:00 est so i can watch before i go to work?
I think he missed the bit about the WuTang Clan and their work on the hammer mechanism.
wander if you could effectively make one of these integrally suppressed by drilling small ports in the barrel and changing out the shroud with a baffled tube that hugs the barrel. interesting gun
Interesting idea, but wouldn't that foul up the recoil spring? (because the spring is in the shroud)
Makes the Dardick look a lot less weird.
the advantage over the revolver, if the speed loader had not been invented yet, was stripper clips load way faster
According to Wikipedia, the first speed loader was invented in 1879, but I have no idea how common they were by this point.
Hey Ian! Love your videos. I was wondering if you might be able to do a video on the Lebanese SerLea ACE?
Ian, an academic question to a gun history specialist... Why, in the name of Lord, people tend to add Nagant name to Mosin's 1891 rifle, but sort of hesitate adding Mannlicher's name to Carcano as well as Mauser to Springfield, etc.? As far as I'm concerned, Leon Nagant was Mosin's rival at the same trials 1889-1891, with a rifle(s) of his own making, and eventually had a minor-ish influence on pattern 1891 rifle design. Books tell that Nagant took an international patent for the "interrupter" - allowing to discard above mentioned Mannlicher en-bloc clip - although it's proven that he borrowed it from Mosin's design initially (Mosin could not apply for a patent since he was an officer of the Russian army, and the design of his rifle was owned by the government). Furthermore, despite the fact that Nagant's rifle has failed the trials, he was paid by Russian Ordnance Dept just the same prize sum as the winner. And now his name is being persistently married with pattern 1891 rifle which he had nothing to do with... I may be wrong, of course, but, in my perspective, Nagant hasn't really earned this privilege - meanwhile, Mannlicher's design was actually the core of Carcano rifle, just as Mauser was for Spriengfield 1903 and many others... Could someone please explain this nonsense?
Hi, this is an old question and I don't know if this will help, in short, it was national pride, remember WWI, the italians and austro-hungarians ended up as enemies in the conflict, having a designer's name from the country you're fighting isn't to patriotic, C&Rsenal do a better job explaining this I think, I hope I helped you two years later.
@@galdrekweigandkahal7916 Appreciate your reply, as this question is still up... Indeed, fighting krauts with Mauser would sound awkward for sure. And it was the national pride again what brought Mosin's name back up in the late 1930-s.
Over these years I've got a few more details on 1889-1891 trials - and found that Nagant's influence on design was slightly more sufficient (the general concept of the magasine and clip, radically improved by Mosin)... Let's not forget marketing tricks - Nagant bros were quite famous around the globe back in 1890-s. Adding their name to a rifle by some cpt. Mosin presumably should of raise its value, as european stuff was extremely popular in ill-developed Tsar's Russia...
But, if we privilege gun owner's national pride, and drop Mannlicher from Carcano for instance - we owed to be consistent, even if we speak of Resident Evil itself, a.k.a. Soviet Russia (literally, alone on its side), no?..
Many choose to forget that Belgians participated in WW2 on the enemy's side and manned 27th (Langemarck) and 28th (Vallonie) divisions of Waffen-SS, who brought a hell of a lot of suffering to our lands... And been fought with that rifle, actually... Following your own faultless logic, the Nagant name was supposingly to be dropped. But - no! Who cares of them stupid Russians anyway!..
Even more to add. Both Mosin and Nagant SOLD their designs to the government which became its lawfull owner (Mosin was an asset initially, but they have thrown 200K rubles to Nagant, like if he won the contest)... When Eugene Stoner sold his rifle to Colt, it immediately became known as Colt (CAR = Colt Automatic Rifle). Nobody says Stoner M16 nor Armalite M16 - it's always Colt M16 ("It's got my name on it!"(c)... I bear a huge respect for Sam Colt, a great man and gun designer, but here he was just a manufacturer and trademark owner... Trully, I don't see much difference in Mosin-Nagant case...
I'm not sure that I quite understand the physics of the blow forward action. The friction of the bullet within the barrel pulls the barrel forward against the tension of the recoil spring. The case of the cartridge is pushed back (equal but opposite force) and held by the extractor. Seems like this would have been incredibly difficult to get balanced just right.
Средним пальцем стрелять не привычно, но возможно, тренироваться надо!
For US folks - whole world uses metric system except a few British colonies.
Great video BTW.
Even if US whent Metric next week. it´s still good to knowing the imperial system for those who likes history.
Before metric, almost every country had its own measuring system (most with older history than US), and all of them swallowed their pride and adopted metric system to ease life of their citizens, and to ease international trade, collaboration and comunication.
Exploatores I'm British and know and use both. My job actually still uses imperial measurements, and most people still use imperial measurements daily when thinking of their weight or in distance/speed in their cars. I'm a fan of metric in general though due to its ability to easily convert volume/weight etc
I was in US public schools during the big push for the metric system. I didn't really grasp its advantages until studying engineering in college. I think the US government effort was hampered by being run by people who didn't understand *why* the metric system was easier - all my teachers kept saying is "one millionth of the Earth's radius is better", and nothing about global trade or easier engineering calculations.
We use 'Murican here, not those heathen units of measurements.
Ian! :) .. or does anyone know? ... where is this fireplace in the background :) .. why has there never been a fire in it ... I put a gas "fire log" in my old fireplace ... cheap and (once you neck the flu down) very efficient! .... Heats my (northern Canadian) house alone in spring and fall ... cost was I think around $175
Wait, so if the entire barrel moves forward when you discharge the gun what would happen if you pressed the gun right up against something when you fired? Like if you were fighting in close quarters and had pressed the gun into your target due to space limitations. Would the gun just fail to cycle another round or would the feeding mechanism break or would it have enough force to just move your whole arm back and allow the barrel to fully extend?
Asking for a manlicher is like waiting for a bus,they all arrive together🤷♂️
cool info never knew about these pistols very interesting
Would a Type 11 mg be considered an enbloc style system?
Pulling the trigger and holding it to reload a gun seems stupid at best and crazy dangerous at worse.
why do the larger ones have three pins in the side whereas the smaller ones have 2
So, if you
(i) push the barrel forward by hand when the gun still has 2 or more rounds in it and
(ii) keep the pressure on so that the barrel remains in the forward position,
then
(iii) the topmost round will get ejected, but
(iv) you'll end up in a perfect position to fire the next round completely out of battery bu pulling the trigger? :)
another great video!
I'm having a hard time figuring a purpose for the Mannlicher 1894. Why would anyone want a pistol, that is worse than a revolver? For the sleek and futuristic look?
They might've just thought "if it's auto, it's better." No military actually adopted it, though. To it's credit, this pistol had a simpler action than other early semi-autos, which were also patented at the time, meaning Mannlicher could save money by making his own patent.
o dear Ian now at the age of 70 and getting to stiff to muck a bout with motorbikes i must start looking for old gun's.wish me luck.
I wonder what they feel like to shoot
I could see Booker DeWitt using one of those :)
Interesting field strip.
Did you ever get to shoot one of these?
0:26 ...and we're going to start with Ferdinand von Mannlicher himself *drags a skeleton from under the table*
Any examples of blow forward rifles?
Only one that I am aware of; SIG's AK-53 prototype.
@@ForgottenWeapons What about the Germans' HIW VSK carbine from 1944?
but how the hell is the force to pull the barrel forward comming from? does the bullet pull it or is there something like a gas-port to collect expanging gases?
The friction of the bullet pushes the bullet forward (after that force has overcome the inertia of the barrel's mass)
Wait, so in blow-forward action, does the bullet's friction along the barrel literally pull it forward? or am I misunderstanding?
you are right
@@gamerbg294 Really interesting idea. Actually seems like it would be easy to implement compared to other actions, even if it makes the recoil worse, cool stuff.
@@jellyman1735in fact, it's a simpler system (less parts) than the original blowback, but personally I think if they applied techniques to decrease the blowfoward system's felt recoil will be an interesting option
Some people are afraid of semi-autos because they don't want to get hit by the slide. Perhaps this could be an interesting option for them?
@@jellyman1735 I don't know, but a drawback of the blowfoward system is that you have to push the bolt forward and it can be uncomfortable and even dangerous (since you can accidentally put your hand in front of the barrel)
Thank you for another fantastic learning experience.
Question: You mention that in some way those were even worst than revolvers. What is bad about a revolver and how are these guns worst?
Hans Wurst Many revolvers were only loaded with 5 rounds and the hammer sat on an empty chamber.
Robbing a bank with one of these would really confuse the police
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is this going to be a multi part series like the Bergmann pistols? please say yes.
Yes, but only 3 parts this time.
When you say automatic pistol, you mean semi-automatic right, as per rifles. Why the different nomenclature? (I know there are automatic pistols that really are, that's why I'm confused)
CheshireTomcat68 I've wondered about that as well. I think it's "automatic" referring to the fact it's self-cycling or something along those lines, then "fully-automatic" refers to a gun that rapid fires without having to repeatedly pull the trigger.
I just thought self-cycling was semi automatic as you had to re-pull the trigger to let off the next round,. If you held the trigger down, nothing else happened. Are automatic and fully-automatic different. Help Ian!
@@CheshireTomcat68 I think he's just using the language of the time. Since full-auto pistols did not exist yet (and are crazy impractical anyways) if someone said "automatic pistol" everyone would know that they're talking about a self-loader, rather than a single shot or a revolver.
Very different
For a second I misread this as "1984 pistols"
Hm I wonder how reliable those pistols were. I mean it kinda seems natural to me that early automatic pistols would borrow a lot of things from revolvers of the time so the question to me is: did they have any advantage over such a revolver other than that it's probably faster to load a stripper clip than a revolver drum :D
An interesting system, wonder how it would have worked in say a more powerful 9mm?
It should work just fine. There's been 2 automatic grenade launchers mass produced using the blow-forward action, and at least one self-loading shotgun. The only problem is the recoil. Since the whole barrel moves forward, the felt recoil is higher than other actions. Ian tested an 1908 model blow forward chambered for .32 and said it kicked like a 9mm. I imagine an actual 9mm would kick even harder.
So, what was the silver thing sitting on the table in front of the box? Looked like an extra barrel/bolt assembly?
Pretty sure you answered your own question :P
Dear Ian, will you ever do some videos on, pardon my harsh language, bullshit ammunition like the .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer?
Keep up the great work.
Terrible desing, I mean... to say "it's ugly" is being too kind, no wonder was rejected by everybody LOL
I'm Sorry but I don't understand what the advantage of this pistol was. Usually you can see more ammo capaicity, Faster reload, etc. This thing seems to be an answer to no question.
Mannlicher didn't want to pay royalties and the other actions were already patented. In the few cases of other firearms being built with a blow-forward operation, the advantage is lighter weight and compact size.
Onlu remark I have is the pronunciation of the names in German. Mannlicher you should pronounce man-lee-her
Why noch Habsburg flag this time?
I envy your job.
so different, but it looks to me like they could of designed a full auto model. Would be even less practical though lol
Is this black powder?
Smokeless/gun cotton was invented by this point, so probably not.
used "bits" quite a lot in this vid
sweet. more Battlefield 1 DLC
So you want a pistol or a revolver?
Yes
Say no more
Similar to a Glock. Double action, no safety, and Austrian. At least with this you have the option for for a manually operated single action option.
To bad it wasn't in .30 Mauser
To me it kinda looks like weird Mars pistol 😅
Not only Europeans use metric. Just sayin'.
Wow that is slow for a bullet. I think my daughter could run that fast when she was 3. 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
ya use guns and explains stuff about guns and calls magazines clips God that's cancerous
That IS a clip. A magazine is a component that stores rounds and feeds them into the chamber. When you have a pack of bullets that you have to shove into the gun into the internal magazine it's a clip.
Ariel Echevarria I really hope you're not serious.
@Ariel the fact you still can't figure out the difference between a magazine and a clip, and enjoy pretending your correct and criticizing others is what really is cancerous....
Have you lost your mind?
Ariel Echevarria Your jokes are not funny, but worrying.
Hardware is your Religion! WHoopsy Daisies... I mean it's mine Religion.. MINE!!! URS?? I'm confooshush now DERPPPPP
'Mannlicher' means masculine. Definitions may vary but I wouldn't consider man-licking to be very manly.
Nah, Männlich means masculine or rather just male.
Mannlicher can’t be directly translated, but „more like a man“ would be the best translation. But even that can just be swapped for „männlicher“, which makes much more sense grammatically and actually is a real word.
These are neat pistols but they are ugly