@@banmadabon It might cheapen the process, and if it works just fine it's not a big problem. But it's still not ideal to have something so loose when those pieces will be cycling at high speeds thousands of times. I still think this is quite an interesting pistol, though.
This gun reminds me of those really old cartoons where the car mechanic fixes the broken down jalopy by pouring a bucket of gears and mechanical bits into it.
I really like the shoulder stock for this one, its probably my favorite out of all the holster/shoulder stock pistols. It compacts down to be pretty much the same size as a regular holster, including the retractable metal thing. Plus it has the ridigty aspect too so it could be used as an effective shoulder stock. Not bad.
The magazine is really quite interesting in that it has some of the benefits of both a belt and a magazine. If you load it correctly, the first round is available immediately, and there’s no complicated manual of arms just to get your fancy belt to feed the gun, at the same time it also has much higher capacity too just like a normal belt, but unfortunately it is limited unlike a normal belt.
@@justforever96 in a pistol, I'd agree, but consider the design of this magazine in something like a SMG or PDW scale weapon, where you'd want a higher capacity-to-size ratio? If it can feed that type of weapon reliably (and I can't think of a reason why it couldn't), it might be worth the slightly more complex mag.
it brings up something I've noticed about stampings- people mention them like stamped sheet parts are cheap or crude compared to a milled part, but sometimes they can be really pretty. There's a smoothed out look you get when you design a part for stamping that I like.
This reminds me of the Dardick revolver, though that didn't have a removeable magazine. I'm always pleased to see another video of yours, whether new or old.
Hey, this is quite comparable to an Italian supercar- it's weird, different, stylish, overengineered, and it will decide to lock up at the worst moment imaginable :)
I haven't had a chance to work on any Italian cars but I've worked on a few German and British sports cars. The German cars are complicated but the actual repairs come down to replacing a component. British sports cars, especially my much beloved Triumph Spitfire, are just effing weird! My Dad was in the computer industry and worked with a lot of Brits in the 60's and 70's and this is how he described a British committee would work. "All the guys needed would finally arrive and sit down about 10:00AM. Then they would draw for an hour or so until someone would say 'That'll do nicely, let's go to the pub.'"
I really wish there'd been a few more made just for the ability to see how well they operated. Truly novel, the only place I've seen a mechanism like that in guns is some of the artillery elevators.
Judging by it's (ludicrous) level of complexity, I would think this wasn't just dreamed up as it is, there must have been a predecessor that it 'evolved' from. That would be very interesting to see ! If it was completely designed all in one with that magazine, it must have taken someone a very long time, that's enough to drive someone crazy, no wonder nobody wanted it !
I guarantee it is easier to load, as there is no spring tension to deal with. That said, with a maglula style loading device, loading high, high capacity is extremely easy. I finally bit the bullet after getting a FNX 45, 15 round of 45 is great, until you have to load it. The downside of a maglula is your ammo bill will go up, lol.
I'm always interested in mechanisms of these old weapons as I am interested in home builds... this one is a bit complicated as many of the old ones are. but I always learn from these videos. keep it up Ian.
Just goes to show you, that some folks have a better idea, others just think they do. This was a very interesting gun, and that magazine design is simply wild, it sort of makes sense in a simple way. The loading of the magazine would be much easier with no spring to fight, especially on those stiff last few rounds that seem to cut little grooves in my old and tender fingers.
I have a turmoils life :( ... you have no idea :( .. I won't bother you all with details ... but listening to Ian talking about cool firearms ..makes me so relaxed .. my favourite hobby! .. great video Ian .. keep up the good work :)
Ian! just wanted to say thank you for alway doing these awesome videos. never been into guns until recently. now I am in love with the mechanics, so I have been watching your videos for weeks. sorry I can't join the patreon
Hi Ian love the videos glad someone is bring to light some of these amazing guns and was wondering have you ever had the chance to play with a Charlton automatic rifle?
The gun is overly complex, the magazine is not. I wonder why no one else ever made something similar. Simple, functional, advantageous, foolproof and innovative. In simple words, that's genius!
i've seen the admiral ones in the museum of the navy in Genoa but man you showed me that magazine it's a really awesome sistem imo thx for video ian keep the good stuff flowin ;)
I wonder if the magazine was a great idea or it was a solution in search of a problem to solve. Sosso had a interesting idea with the use of sub assemblies and the use of a few stamped parts. If he had expanded on that to produce a handgun that could be made economically under war time conditions he might have had a significant weapon system.
FRANCESCO PRICOLO, CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE REGIA AERONAUTICA: boy those are pretty cool guns you guys have ARTURO RICCARDI, GRAND ADMIRAL OF THE REGIA MARINA: yeah it rules PRICOLO: do you, uh, do you think he made one for me PIETRO BADOGLIO, FIELD MARSHAL OF THE ROYAL ITALIAN ARMY: pretty sure they only made four of these, my dude PRICOLO: oh... okay
Is it just me, or does this gun have a really nice holster stock setup? Seems like usually these sorts of stocks are huge and bulky and made of wood but this one is just like a regular (but somewhat heavier) holster that can expand into a stock. I'm not sure how good of a stock it would be to use but the concept is cool.
It would be cool if this had a revolver style double action trigger so you could advance the magazine with just the trigger. It would also be even more complicated.
Dr. No scene: Professor Dent unloads his M1941 Sosso into the dummy under the bed covers. Bond says:"It's a Sosso. And you've had your 21..." "Thwup ! Thwup! "
That magazine design is used in non-firearms like airguns that fire .177 cal pellets, but the projectile is fully contained in a plastic tube, not exposed in any way
How about doing a show explaining the gun laws. What needs a permit-what doesn't. and what the cost is to get these permits. I'm sure I'm not the only person who is a bit confused by it all.
Gotta love living in a free state. It's like that here in Maine as well. No firearm or magazine restrictions whatsoever (except for the NFA ones of course).
crossbow1203 most states require no permits to buy and own handguns, rifles and shotguns. If you want to cc you need a permit If you want shortbarreled rifles/ shotgun you need to pay a 200 dollar tax stamp If you want a full auto you better be rich A video on this would be rather dry and uninteresting
Cool gun! I can see a lot of things that can go wrong with it, if used a lot in battle conditions. Wear and tear, not to mention all small bits you could loose when cleaning the thing out on the field. All that would be serious concern, had the Italians bought the gun.
That moment when even German engineers look at you and say, 'You're over-thinking this'.
And the Swiss machinists say, "that's way too much work, dude" 😜
The Sosso"s magazine is one of the most unique and innovative things I've on this channel.
It's so intricate that listening to the explanation of how it works feels like someone describing a rube goldberg machine
almost (?) qualifies for steampunk....
So it almost has the capacity of a Hollywood revolver?!
Almost, but is not quite there yet.
"Several of these pieces come out when you shake the gun" is just not a sentence you want to hear...
It fits the the name tho
@@banmadabon It might cheapen the process, and if it works just fine it's not a big problem. But it's still not ideal to have something so loose when those pieces will be cycling at high speeds thousands of times.
I still think this is quite an interesting pistol, though.
how did the gun operate....it was Sosso
This gun reminds me of those really old cartoons where the car mechanic fixes the broken down jalopy by pouring a bucket of gears and mechanical bits into it.
is it any good?
its soso
il get me coat
DAMMIT I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS
You beat everybody to it. Well done sir.
All in all though, it's a soso joke to be honest.
eatthisvr6 Darn it! I need to be faster on the comments. 😀
-Jen
2 years too late to the party, am I? I will not miss the next pun!
@@taylordavison6849 a gun pun is a ton of fun son, I'm done, but you won this one 'cuz no pun was done.
Episodes like this make my day. The obscure weapons like this really are forgotten weapons.
I've heard of "automatic" revolvers, This is the first time I've seen a revolving "automatic" 👍👍👍
The pistol stand looked like something totally different to me at first. That's what I get for watching Forgotten Weapons past midnight.
That's probably one of the coolest pistols you've shown (in my opinion) and it's all because of the mag.:D
I really like the shoulder stock for this one, its probably my favorite out of all the holster/shoulder stock pistols. It compacts down to be pretty much the same size as a regular holster, including the retractable metal thing. Plus it has the ridigty aspect too so it could be used as an effective shoulder stock. Not bad.
That has to be one of the most interesting magazines ive ever seen
The magazine is really quite interesting in that it has some of the benefits of both a belt and a magazine. If you load it correctly, the first round is available immediately, and there’s no complicated manual of arms just to get your fancy belt to feed the gun, at the same time it also has much higher capacity too just like a normal belt, but unfortunately it is limited unlike a normal belt.
Maybe, maybe not. Isn’t it better to be prepared and not need it?
@@justforever96 in a pistol, I'd agree, but consider the design of this magazine in something like a SMG or PDW scale weapon, where you'd want a higher capacity-to-size ratio? If it can feed that type of weapon reliably (and I can't think of a reason why it couldn't), it might be worth the slightly more complex mag.
Here's a weird thought: this thing is closest to an auto revolver, sure it has a belt instead of a cylinder, but both are ultimately rotary in nature.
Thank you from Italy for showing us this gem!
I love that magazine load dozens of them and stick them in the cabinet without having to exercise them and have them all work when you need them.
This has so many ideas I love (and thought of independently). I'll probably rewatch this so many times
Prototype videos are always my favorites, never fail to be very interesting.
it brings up something I've noticed about stampings- people mention them like stamped sheet parts are cheap or crude compared to a milled part, but sometimes they can be really pretty. There's a smoothed out look you get when you design a part for stamping that I like.
This reminds me of the Dardick revolver, though that didn't have a removeable magazine. I'm always pleased to see another video of yours, whether new or old.
Curved magazine in a straight grip - wasn't expecting that.
-Jen
And curved the other way than all other curved magazines.
And that is reversed
Hey, this is quite comparable to an Italian supercar- it's weird, different, stylish, overengineered, and it will decide to lock up at the worst moment imaginable :)
exactly!
I haven't had a chance to work on any Italian cars but I've worked on a few German and British sports cars. The German cars are complicated but the actual repairs come down to replacing a component. British sports cars, especially my much beloved Triumph Spitfire, are just effing weird! My Dad was in the computer industry and worked with a lot of Brits in the 60's and 70's and this is how he described a British committee would work.
"All the guys needed would finally arrive and sit down about 10:00AM. Then they would draw for an hour or so until someone would say 'That'll do nicely, let's go to the pub.'"
@@petesampson4273
Sounds like my kind of job.
Very rare occasion where italians out-over-engineer swiss and germany.
Wisewarna Nazara
It's impressive how Italian guns no matter how complicated still work quite nicely
Nope .u.
hopefully your not talking about Shitretta!!! those guns can't hit the ground if you dropped it!!! shitty triggers to!!!!
You sure sound like an unbiased and reasonable person.
keith moore
So wrong.
And it's Beretta.
Repeat.
_Be-Ret-Ta_
Easy.
Is this the only semi-automatic suited for russian roulette? 😜😜😜😜😜
Jaimy van der Horst The Guycot chain pistol would work too
yep! the rest it would be Pollock roulette!!!!
Italian roulette!
There all suitable if you wannna die
My Channel Lacks Originality that would be a double action pistol, not semiautomatic.
I really wish there'd been a few more made just for the ability to see how well they operated. Truly novel, the only place I've seen a mechanism like that in guns is some of the artillery elevators.
Judging by it's (ludicrous) level of complexity, I would think this wasn't just dreamed up as it is, there must have been a predecessor that it 'evolved' from. That would be very interesting to see !
If it was completely designed all in one with that magazine, it must have taken someone a very long time, that's enough to drive someone crazy, no wonder nobody wanted it !
Best channel on TH-cam. Hands down.
Id really like to see a demonstration of the magazine being loaded
I agree, and I'm curious to see if it's easier to load than a typical high capacity mag. Might have been an alternative to sore thumbs ;-)
I guarantee it is easier to load, as there is no spring tension to deal with.
That said, with a maglula style loading device, loading high, high capacity is extremely easy.
I finally bit the bullet after getting a FNX 45, 15 round of 45 is great, until you have to load it.
The downside of a maglula is your ammo bill will go up, lol.
I'm always interested in mechanisms of these old weapons as I am interested in home builds... this one is a bit complicated as many of the old ones are. but I always learn from these videos. keep it up Ian.
Guys tell me that I'm not the only one who can't stop to watch new videos of Inrange+ForgottenWeapons.
Just goes to show you, that some folks have a better idea, others just think they do. This was a very interesting gun, and that magazine design is simply wild, it sort of makes sense in a simple way. The loading of the magazine would be much easier with no spring to fight, especially on those stiff last few rounds that seem to cut little grooves in my old and tender fingers.
For some strange reason, the design very roughly reminds me of the Beretta gun designs, like the 92. If you squint really hard that is.
I have a turmoils life :( ... you have no idea :( .. I won't bother you all with details ... but listening to Ian talking about cool firearms ..makes me so relaxed .. my favourite hobby! .. great video Ian .. keep up the good work :)
"I want a really complicated pistol with a lot of small pieces that are easily lost" said no soldier ever. :-D
what a gloriously complicated hand cannon that is
Ian! just wanted to say thank you for alway doing these awesome videos. never been into guns until recently. now I am in love with the mechanics, so I have been watching your videos for weeks. sorry I can't join the patreon
Looks amazing, love the chunkiness of it ;)
That disassembly and explanation of function fried my brain
Hi Ian love the videos glad someone is bring to light some of these amazing guns and was wondering have you ever had the chance to play with a Charlton automatic rifle?
impressive mechanics. thanks for the video. great video!
Gorgeous jewel of a pistol and lock mechanism. Cool magazine too. Pity so few were made. But all the machine work must have cost a fortune
Very cool pistol, thanks for the episode
Nice gun! Keep up the good work!
your not fighting the spring when loading, which I like
It manages to look futuristic and outdated at the same time, what a feat.
Great video. It's these type guns that I watch this channel to see. (Among others) the obscure, unusual and interesting.
really cool gun nice video and nice explanation greetings from Slovenia
Lasko Pivo, prosim!
The gun is overly complex, the magazine is not. I wonder why no one else ever made something similar. Simple, functional, advantageous, foolproof and innovative. In simple words, that's genius!
i've seen the admiral ones in the museum of the navy in Genoa but man you showed me that magazine it's a really awesome sistem imo thx for video ian keep the good stuff flowin ;)
" There's this gun that's been on my mind.
All the time, So-Sossodio, oh oh. "
Very cool. I love the forgotten innovation
I wonder if the magazine was a great idea or it was a solution in search of a problem to solve.
Sosso had a interesting idea with the use of sub assemblies and the use of a few stamped parts. If he had expanded on that to produce a handgun that could be made economically under war time conditions he might have had a significant weapon system.
Wow, looks good.
FRANCESCO PRICOLO, CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE REGIA AERONAUTICA: boy those are pretty cool guns you guys have
ARTURO RICCARDI, GRAND ADMIRAL OF THE REGIA MARINA: yeah it rules
PRICOLO: do you, uh, do you think he made one for me
PIETRO BADOGLIO, FIELD MARSHAL OF THE ROYAL ITALIAN ARMY: pretty sure they only made four of these, my dude
PRICOLO: oh... okay
Ian. Your the man.
wow very complex pistol looks amazing and helghasty
That’s exactly what I thought, weird magazines does feel very helghasty
So, the Sosso holster was only so so? Well that's nominative determinism for you. :P
I love the stock/holster combo.
Nice one like the magazine ID.
Your italian pronunciation is almost flawless. And, as always, great video!
That's "So" cool that I would Love to have a reproduction of my own.
Just when your day is over and you think, you've seen it all Ian finds another weird stuff...
And here I thought you couldn't make a weirder magazine than the Evans rifle
Nice of you to always be concerned about your Italian pronuciation when presenting Italian guns; it's fine man. Great videos
A strange cross between a Beretta and a Tokarev with an assault rifle-like (but smaller of course) magazine. Pure Italian genius!
Very fantastic piece, unobtainable also in Italy
Cool looking gun! I really appreciate your work,sir. Is this in a museum or did you bought it yourself?
Another cool video :) Ian, still no 1888 Krupp Vintage Saturday?
Is it just me, or does this gun have a really nice holster stock setup? Seems like usually these sorts of stocks are huge and bulky and made of wood but this one is just like a regular (but somewhat heavier) holster that can expand into a stock. I'm not sure how good of a stock it would be to use but the concept is cool.
your pronunciation was so so. 😊😊great video as always
That's actually quite a handsome piece. As has been said, it's very Beretta.
German Engineer: ''we have zhe most complex mechanisms!''
Italian Engineer: ''Hold my pasta''
Damn that's a cool gun.
I can just imagine the horror of the machinist when Sosso gave him the drawings of this and said "make this pistol for me" (in Italian)!!!
Such a weird design. So cool.
You pronounced Giulio and Brescia pretty good, even here if I had a friend with sosso as surname I would had problem pronouncing it
How does it shoot?
"Oh, only so-so"
Boooooooooooo Boooooooooo booo on you
I actually like that stock.
this comment aged really well
another great video, keep it up!
keep up the good work! learned loads again :)
that magazine is a revolver cylinder thought right out of the box...or into a box?
Ian pulls a banana mag out of the pistol that has a chain drive conveyor belt system. I'm going 'WHAAAT'. Good show.
ok, its complicated and expensive, but its a very badass gun anyhow
the only semiauto pistol you can successfully play Russian Roulette with that doesn't have a 100% chance of a loss
That's great. Outside the box thinking everywhere.
Watching this immediately after your piece on the easily-disassembled MAC 50 is an experience on its own right 😂
Things like that magazine are the reason I watch this channel. Utterly bizarre.
cool to see it, thanks
It would be cool if this had a revolver style double action trigger so you could advance the magazine with just the trigger. It would also be even more complicated.
wonderfull pistol
Extremely complicated for a so-so handgun. The magazine is indeed very interesting though.
That slide release looks convenient for left handed shooters
Dr. No scene:
Professor Dent unloads his M1941 Sosso into the dummy under the bed covers.
Bond says:"It's a Sosso. And you've had your 21..."
"Thwup ! Thwup! "
“How’s that for a weird looking magazine
Beretta made a great pistol in history? Challenge accepted!
That magazine design is used in non-firearms like airguns that fire .177 cal pellets, but the projectile is fully contained in a plastic tube, not exposed in any way
How about doing a show explaining the gun laws. What needs a permit-what doesn't. and what the cost is to get these permits. I'm sure I'm not the only person who is a bit confused by it all.
crossbow1203 the laws are different in most states. you might do better googling it yourself.
Gotta love living in a free state. It's like that here in Maine as well. No firearm or magazine restrictions whatsoever (except for the NFA ones of course).
crossbow1203 most states require no permits to buy and own handguns, rifles and shotguns.
If you want to cc you need a permit
If you want shortbarreled rifles/ shotgun you need to pay a 200 dollar tax stamp
If you want a full auto you better be rich
A video on this would be rather dry and uninteresting
...No they've had an AWB for a long time. You're thinking of the challenge to the Maryland AWB, maybe?
but there are several states that have "constitutional carry" which means no permit required.
I bet researching this gun would give clues to the identity of Fireplace Guy.
Cool gun!
I can see a lot of things that can go wrong with it, if used a lot in battle conditions. Wear and tear, not to mention all small bits you could loose when cleaning the thing out on the field. All that would be serious concern, had the Italians bought the gun.
So many moving parts that when it's fired the mechanical noise drowns out the "bang". 😁