to check out the book extracts discussed on the call - link here: drive.google.com/file/d/15shjrB9tRE2lYa_yszQnfaVIwhfDEhLv/view the next book we will cover on the RW Book Club will be 'The Book: The Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are' by Alan Watts - to join, check out memberships here: rebelwisdom.co.uk/campfire-events
loved when Jeremy was talking about time running away with itself in the 19th/20th centuries. I have never read Gebser beyong the references in Wilber, but I bet there are many interesting parallels between his work and Henri Bergson's - Bergson's entire philosophy being based upon the idea that time is not space. Bergson was also writing at the beginning of the 20th century and had facinsating things to say about the evolution of consciousness, the emergence of novelty and the mystics. i really enjoyed this guys thanks so much.
Thanks rebel wisdom. I discovered Gebser 1978. Was the first time when I heard the word "integral". the German NOVALIS Velag had just published the Geamtausgabe. Thanks Jeremy Johnson, as always.
thank you, Rebel Wisdom, for bringing in this thread of today's sense-making. Fascinating, provocative, challenging. the interviewer was excellent--asked the key questions in a spirit of open and engaged inquiry.
Excellent job. Jean Gebser was far ahead of his time. This is one of the most important and profound books in the entirety of human history. It's nothing short of astounding that Gebser was able to intuit and understand the evolution of consciousness...especially during his time. His warning for humanity near the beginning of the book was a prophecy fulfilled. He was right that humanity would either rise to integral consciousness or would destroy itself. Unfortunately, it appears that the latter will be our self created fate as abrupt exponential climate change now threatens humanity with certain near term extinction. Peace.
The book club should read Hartmut Rosa's Resonance. I can't think of a text that speaks more trenchantly to the issues about which the Rebel Wisdom community has been concerned.
delightful to find this discussion; the Sarnath link is definitely very interesting....the first factor of the Eightfold Path, sammādiṭṭhi, often translated as "right view", could probably be better rendered as "integral view" as the etymology of "samma" also points to "completeness" (un-perspectivalness). This is worth investigating
Fascinating interview. Thank you. If it interests anyone -- I covered a similar topic in a less-poetic way in my interview with Iain McGilchrist titled 'Models and Reality'. And I will cover the topic of time-less-ness in my book Existential Questions which is being published in the second half of this year.
another idea for a book club: Eric Voegelin (e.g. one of his long essays, like "The Beginning and the Beyond" or "Wisdom and the Magic of the Extreme"); the expert you could contact is Eugene Webb, the first to have written a monography on Voegelin and even knew and interviewed him personally
Ever present origin means you are the origin repeating as the origin, your origin doesn't change it repeats, the infinite moment and the first moment are the same moment therefore the moment can only repeat the moment. History as existence repeats history as existence just as existence as history repeats existence as history. Eternity is recurrence as recurrence is eternity, the concept of existence can never change the concept of existence, existence doesn't change, existence repeats, l always have and always will write this comment, now repeat exactly.
There are gaps in Jean Gebser's thinking & it's a mistake (one that will unfortunately lead you towards vapid postmodern nonsense, just like it has Jeremy Johnson) unless you ground him in more stable work. Although sneered at, Wilber's model certainly does that--so does linking him to Kingsley or McGilchrist. He's a stepping-stone, driven by instinct, (nonetheless valuable) that you wouldn't want to treat as a foundation. Ofc your mileage may differ
This type of content shows how far the MSM has descended into utter trash. "Freedom from the Known" by J Krishnamurti was a game changer for me...............
Why do you think hippiedom dissolved? What, in plain language, do you guys think of, say, the Neo-Lib Revolution? (What is "EPO"?) Is there any place in your theory for events such as sudden visions, illuminations and convictions of inexplicable origin - not something you've read - that open up new horizons of thought or even just stymy you?
Jeremy, thank you so much for continuing the work and unpacking so clearly Gebser’s ideas. This brings back memories from our gebserjung2019.com conference in Asilomar, CA.
to check out the book extracts discussed on the call - link here: drive.google.com/file/d/15shjrB9tRE2lYa_yszQnfaVIwhfDEhLv/view
the next book we will cover on the RW Book Club will be 'The Book: The Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are' by Alan Watts - to join, check out memberships here: rebelwisdom.co.uk/campfire-events
Love your dialogoue Jeremy. you speak with an effortless techno-elegance
Very thoughtful conversation!
Jeremy Johnson is worth listening to. Thoughtful.
ABSOLUTLY AMAZING BOOK
Thank you David, Jules, Jeremy
I swear I'm grokking with this channel! With uncanny regularity, I come across an author or a concept I see it reflected on the channel.
An astonishing thinker and poet who deserves to be known better.
loved when Jeremy was talking about time running away with itself in the 19th/20th centuries. I have never read Gebser beyong the references in Wilber, but I bet there are many interesting parallels between his work and Henri Bergson's - Bergson's entire philosophy being based upon the idea that time is not space. Bergson was also writing at the beginning of the 20th century and had facinsating things to say about the evolution of consciousness, the emergence of novelty and the mystics.
i really enjoyed this guys thanks so much.
Thanks rebel wisdom. I discovered Gebser 1978. Was the first time when I heard the word "integral". the German NOVALIS Velag had just published the Geamtausgabe. Thanks Jeremy Johnson, as always.
thank you, Rebel Wisdom, for bringing in this thread of today's sense-making. Fascinating, provocative, challenging. the interviewer was excellent--asked the key questions in a spirit of open and engaged inquiry.
The only book of philosophy I read cover to cover. Been attempting to operating “aperspectively” ever since. Thank you!
Jeremy is one of my generation’s most important emerging thinkers. Excited to follow his career.
Excellent job. Jean Gebser was far ahead of his time. This is one of the most important and profound books in the entirety of human history. It's nothing short of astounding that Gebser was able to intuit and understand the evolution of consciousness...especially during his time. His warning for humanity near the beginning of the book was a prophecy fulfilled. He was right that humanity would either rise to integral consciousness or would destroy itself. Unfortunately, it appears that the latter will be our self created fate as abrupt exponential climate change now threatens humanity with certain near term extinction. Peace.
The book club should read Hartmut Rosa's Resonance. I can't think of a text that speaks more trenchantly to the issues about which the Rebel Wisdom community has been concerned.
totaly support this suggestion!
delightful to find this discussion; the Sarnath link is definitely very interesting....the first factor of the Eightfold Path, sammādiṭṭhi, often translated as "right view", could probably be better rendered as "integral view" as the etymology of "samma" also points to "completeness" (un-perspectivalness). This is worth investigating
Thanks guys !!!
Dafuq? for real? :D I am literally writing an article about Jean Gebser and his book in this very moment!? :D
@Kevin Martin totally xD
Fascinating interview. Thank you. If it interests anyone -- I covered a similar topic in a less-poetic way in my interview with Iain McGilchrist titled 'Models and Reality'. And I will cover the topic of time-less-ness in my book Existential Questions which is being published in the second half of this year.
'Strictly wakeful, by being in the present - how do we do that?' Are you kidding? The answer is glaringly in the question.
I would love to listen to a talk on Owen Barfield's work in one of your future sessions
I'd certainly second that idea. Mark Vernon might be a good choice to give such a presentation.
another idea for a book club: Eric Voegelin (e.g. one of his long essays, like "The Beginning and the Beyond" or "Wisdom and the Magic of the Extreme"); the expert you could contact is Eugene Webb, the first to have written a monography on Voegelin and even knew and interviewed him personally
abstraction is my go to mode of expression
Did I miss something? I heard nothing in this discussion about Gebser's contemporary Martin Heidegger. The projects of both seem very similar.
Ever present origin means you are the origin repeating as the origin, your origin doesn't change it repeats, the infinite moment and the first moment are the same moment therefore the moment can only repeat the moment. History as existence repeats history as existence just as existence as history repeats existence as history. Eternity is recurrence as recurrence is eternity, the concept of existence can never change the concept of existence, existence doesn't change, existence repeats, l always have and always will write this comment, now repeat exactly.
The ever-recurring origin of Spenglers stern visage - I am transfixed. Where is our Caesar? Surely he will come.
How can I learn more about Jeremy Johnson's work?
Nice Brian Rose ad at the beginning. Obviously not you. The algorithm works well 🤣
AI has clearly decided David is a big fan 😂
I haven't seen one in ages! Thank the AI.
There are gaps in Jean Gebser's thinking & it's a mistake (one that will unfortunately lead you towards vapid postmodern nonsense, just like it has Jeremy Johnson) unless you ground him in more stable work. Although sneered at, Wilber's model certainly does that--so does linking him to Kingsley or McGilchrist. He's a stepping-stone, driven by instinct, (nonetheless valuable) that you wouldn't want to treat as a foundation. Ofc your mileage may differ
This type of content shows how far the MSM has descended into utter trash. "Freedom from the Known" by J Krishnamurti was a game changer for me...............
Wer, wenn Ich schriehe. hörte mich denn aus der RebelWisdomOrdnungen? 🌈🦉
Why do you think hippiedom dissolved? What, in plain language, do you guys think of, say, the Neo-Lib Revolution?
(What is "EPO"?) Is there any place in your theory for events such as sudden visions, illuminations and convictions of inexplicable origin - not something you've read - that open up new horizons of thought or even just stymy you?
Is that really your hair on your head or an antenna?
Academy awards
Jeremy, thank you so much for continuing the work and unpacking so clearly Gebser’s ideas. This brings back memories from our gebserjung2019.com conference in Asilomar, CA.