Ep. 2 - Awakening from the Meaning Crisis - Flow, Metaphor, and the Axial Revolution

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  • New videos released every Friday.
    Books in the Video:
    •Karen Armstrong - The Great Transformation: The Beginning of Our Religious Traditions
    •Robert Bellah and Hans Joas (Editors) - The Axial Age and its Consequences
    •Eric Cline - 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed
    •Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi - Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience
    •The Dhammapada
    •Robert Drews - The End of the Bronze Age: Changes in Warfare and the Catastrophe ca. 1200 B.C.
    •Robin Hogarth - Educating Intuition
    •Karl Jaspers - The Origin and Goal of Hist
    •George Lakoff and Mark Johnson - Metaphors We Live By
    •Steven Pinker - The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined
    •Arthur Reber - Implicit Learning and Tacit Knowledge: An Essay on the Cognitive Unconscious
    •Joseph Schear (Editor) - Mind, Reason, and Being-in-the-World: The McDowell-Dreyfus Debate
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    Second episode of Dr. John Vervaeke's Awakening from the Meaning Crisis.

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  • @chrismotsu4232
    @chrismotsu4232 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    I just wanted to post a comment to convey my gratitude for making this series of lectures available and free of charge. This is what the internet was designed for! Thank you Dr. Vervaeke.

    • @BeauSmithFtl
      @BeauSmithFtl หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am grateful for this being available to us, as well. Thank you.

  • @lizellevanwyk5927
    @lizellevanwyk5927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +275

    Another benefit of this digital age: one can come back - after a period of "incubation" - and attend the lecture series again :-) It's even more profound the second time around.

    • @matthewparlato5626
      @matthewparlato5626 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I'm on round 2

    • @captiantoastytm6436
      @captiantoastytm6436 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@matthewparlato5626 right behind ya

    • @scarletohary
      @scarletohary 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Same.

    • @thinkwhileeatingpasta5217
      @thinkwhileeatingpasta5217 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@captiantoastytm6436 Have any suggestions on how to properly comprehend the lectures? Having hard time understanding it

    • @gvcyggfyhggg3404
      @gvcyggfyhggg3404 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@thinkwhileeatingpasta5217 Maybe try taking notes. Pick out important concepts ('Upper Paleolithic Transition', 'Exaptation', etc) and try the Feynman technique, try to explain it in your own words as if you were explaining it to someone else. Where you run into a gap in your understanding, try reviewing. Just takes time and persistence to expand your comprehension, and as you do it definitely pays off. Years ago I read Steven Pinkers 'The Denial of Human Nature' and it was a daunting task at that time as my first more serious intellectual book, being confronted with unfamiliar philosophical notions, verbiage, and the like. I put it away initially because of the burden but returned to it later and pushed through it..... today it's not so difficult. It gets easier with practice, like anything. Hope you don't get discouraged, wishing you well on your learning journey 🙃

  • @inthepocketbass
    @inthepocketbass 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    What a privilege it is to live in a time where this information is available to us for free. Thousands of hours of collective research and study manifested in a series that would take us all an individual lifetime (if not longer) to compile ourselves - let alone read and understand. There's a case for optimism, and it's the rise in media such as this that gives me hope.

  • @pewnis
    @pewnis ปีที่แล้ว +297

    The fact that this is free for all of us to listen and watch is absolutely amazing. Thank you so much.

    • @jamesbarlow6423
      @jamesbarlow6423 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Please.....

    • @MattFRox
      @MattFRox ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jamesbarlow6423 If U and I were sitting down into therapy, I would be so tempted to ask u, "Why do U hate yourself?" But I'M NOT A THERAPIST and U r not in therapy so perhaps U might have the courage to ask the question but also demand the CORRECT ANSWER.

    • @NicholasDunbar
      @NicholasDunbar ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not really free. It's ad supported and I pay for yt without ads. I hope John gets a cut of my subscription.

    • @abejar99
      @abejar99 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's pretty free for me, you just gotta watch 5 seconds of an add and time isn't money

    • @jamescox5297
      @jamescox5297 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Speed walking helps with flow state for me. At some point it becomes dance. Walking fast makes deep demand on awareness spacial mapping, and tracking of other walkers...

  • @karin6927
    @karin6927 4 ปีที่แล้ว +262

    Thanks for your wonderful gift and taking the time to share it, John! I wrote a vocabulary.
    Well, I am wondering if the flow state is irrational? And how intelligent could a person be risking her/his own life?
    SUMMARY OF THE PREVIOUS VIDEO:
    Key words: Meaning making - Enhanced cognition - Altered states of consciousness - Wisdom.
    Upper Paleolithic transition was probably driven by the way shamanism was a set of psychotechnologies for altering states of consciousness to cognitively exapt the enhanced abilities that trade rituals and initiation rituals and healing rituals had already been creating.
    Cognitive exaptation: changes in the software of the brain (functions) that were developed through evolution but its structures weren´t made with that purpose.
    VOCABULARY
    1. Shaman: person who engaged in various disruptive strategies to alter his/her framing of reality in a different way.
    2. Framing reality: it is to think out of the box that enhances the adaptability and the ability to find new or different patterns.
    3. Shamanic ritual: it is a ritual for healing.
    4. Disruptive strategy: it is a strategy that alters a state of consciousness because it causes significant change in the attention, for example, some of those are sleep deprivation, sex deprivation, social isolation, use of psychedelics, extended chanting
    , etc.
    5. Different kinds of knowing:
    6. Flow state: popularly describing as being in “the zone” in which a person is involved in task very demanding and his/her skill abilities can just through like sort of insight and restructuring
    . The flow state is much more connected to meaning in life and is universal. A kind of self-consciousness disappears and it is super salient. There is a kind of brightness and vividness through the experience.
    7. Flow induction machines: the skills of a person are constantly improving and the demand of the environment is also improving in dangerous contexts or it can also be through video games.
    8. Video game: it is a program that induce the “Flow state”, becoming an addiction. Problem is that it doesn´t belong to the real world.
    9. Addiction: it is a condition to a particular substance, thing or activity that runs off machinery that is evolutionarily adaptive.
    10. Shamanism: it can also be a way to induce the “flow state”.
    11. Connectedness
    12. Mindfulness training: it increases the capacity to get into the flow state
    13. Phenomenology:
    14. Cascade of insights: it is to have an insight that´s leadind to another insight and so on and so far. This chain of insights are going to improve skills of abilities
    15. Implicit learning: it is the tremendous capacity outside our conscious awareness to pick up on very complex patterns in the environment without being aware of it. Implicit learning cannot be replaced by explicit learning.
    16. Intuition: it is the result of implicit learning.
    17. Bias:
    18. Prejudice:
    19. Correlational pattern: it is what any two or more variables are related to each other but sometimes those are not necessarily causal. Then it misleads to an illusory reality.
    20. Causal pattern: it is the situation in which two or more variables maintain a cause-effect relationship in which one of those variables is independent and is the cause of, while the another variable is dependent and the result of the causal variable.
    21. Science: it is a way of distinguishing causal patterns from correlational patterns.
    22. Metaphor: it means to bridge and to carry over to connected things that are normally not connected. It is so powerful because it is how to make creative connections between ideas.
    23. Metaphorical cognition: it is the heart of science and art.
    24. Oversight:
    25. Supervision:
    26. Upper Paleolithic Revolution: it occurs around 40,000 BCE. And it is constituted by the Meaning-making machinery, altered states of consciousness, self-transcendence and cultivation of wisdom represented by the creation of the arts, calendars and some kinds of artillery.
    27. Neolithic Revolution: it happened around 10,000 BCE. The agriculture was invented and because of agriculture, people don´t need to live as nomads. Larger groups were living together, that caused radical changes and the stone gives way to metal, appearing the Bronze Age.
    28. Axial age or Axial Revolution: term coined by the German Philosopher, Karl Jaspers that is a period of the history around 800 BCE and 300 BCE. in which alphabetic literacy was invented, producing the second order thinking. It also happened that lots of armies were moving around and empires were being rebuilt; and coinage was also invented.
    29. Alphabetic literacy: it is a much more learnable psychotechnology. That was invented in Canaan, taken to Phoenicians and then the Greeks. The Canaanite alphabet merges to archaic Hebrew and the Hebrew
    30. Second order thinking: it is when a person internalizes a psychotechnology into his/her metacognition and it improves the capacity to critically examine and correct his/her own thinking.
    31. Metacognition: it is the awareness of the own mind.
    32. Coinages: physical thing made of metals that in our days is disappearing but that helped to think in an abstract symbol system and to mathematically thinking.
    33. Double-edged sword of the cognition:
    indiscipline-discipline
    Indiscipline: behavior that leads to self-deception and illusion
    .
    Discipline: behavior that through self-correction and self-transcendence leads to wisdom and the ability to reduce violence and the suffering.
    LIST OF BOOKS (according to the sequence of the video):
    1. Csikszentmihalyi, Mihaly. Flow: the psychology of optimal experience.
    2. Reber, Arthur. Implicit learning and tacit knowledge: an essay on the cognitive unconscious.
    3. Hogath, Robin. Educating intuition.
    4. Schear, Joseph (Editor). Mind, reason, and being-in-the-world: the Mcdowell-Dreyfus debate.
    5. Pinker, Steven. The better angels of our nature: why violence has declined.
    6. Lakoff, George and Johnson, Mark. Metaphors we live by
    .
    7. Jaspers, Karl. The origin and goal of history
    .
    8. Armstrong, Karen. The great transformation: the beginning of our religious traditions.
    9. Drews, Robert. The end of the bronze age: changes in warfare and the catastrophe ca. 1200 B.C.
    10. Cline, Eric. 1177 B.C.: The year civilization collapsed.
    11. Bellah, Robert and Joas, Hans (Editors). The axial age and its consequences
    12. The Dhammapada.

    • @fmontechristo
      @fmontechristo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks!

    • @user-ch1dp2oe6i
      @user-ch1dp2oe6i 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@fmontechristo
      Thanks

    • @breathspinecore
      @breathspinecore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thank you so much for this! I have been scribbling chicken scratch notes, but this is so professional.

    • @vivekanandverma6034
      @vivekanandverma6034 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks

    • @lkenn100
      @lkenn100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much!!

  • @tylermckee907
    @tylermckee907 2 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    Listening to these lectures is like being continually infused with high quality narcotics... Getting buzzed off this pure knowledge and wisdom. Thank you for your contribution to the world John!

    • @Jide-bq9yf
      @Jide-bq9yf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      True , he’s clearly in the business of mind expansion .

    • @segasys1339
      @segasys1339 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I believe the buzz is from Vervaeke explicitly articulating ideas we implicitly understood but did not really even know were there. It's like the strange rush of discovering something hiding in plain sight.

    • @tensevo
      @tensevo ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The difference is, no downer.

    • @blakeobeans
      @blakeobeans ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is powerful because it tells me what I already know to be true.

  • @mesidonaa
    @mesidonaa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    Short-form cliffs:
    0:30 - 2:30 *recap of previous episode*
    --> origin of meaning making
    --> meaning making, enhancing cognition, altered states of consciousness, and wisdom
    --> Upper Paleolithic transition
    --> Psychotechnology , and psychological exaptation
    --> Shamanism
    --> Different kinds of knowing
    _________________________________________
    2:54 - *shamanic techniques*
    3:30 - *the flow state*
    5:13 - *Video games = one of most reliable ways of inducing flow state*
    9:10 - *effortless effort*
    --> Altered sense of time
    --> Altered sense of self
    9:44 - *burden of self-consciousness*
    10:35 - *super salience of flow state*
    13:30 - *breaking the framing (restructuring what you find salient)*
    14:25 - *a sustained cascade of insights = flow*
    __________________________________________
    15:35 - *capacity for implicit learning (Reber)*
    18:50 - *experiment on “psychic” abilities*
    21:05 - *Hogarth’s Argument - Intuition is product of implicit learning*
    22:30 - *(Hogarth) Distinction: “Intuition” vs. “Bias”*
    --> How does implicit learning go wrong?
    23:11 - *Two Types of Patterns (Correlational vs Causal)*
    26:20 - *Setting up the environment for good intuition (Hogarth) control the context*
    32:50 - *Capacity for Metaphor*
    37:20 - the reason the flow state is universal - _(it exapts some of our most basic machinery and enhances it in a powerful way)_
    40:00 - *Meaning Making Machinery and the Neolithic Revolution (agriculture)*
    41:00 - *The Bronze Age*
    45:23 - *The Late Bronze Age Collapse*
    48:20 - *A new (alphabetic) kind of literacy emerges (important new psychotechnology)*
    51:30 - *Second order thinking and metacognition*
    53:20 - *Invention of coinage* _(teaches you 1: numeracy; 2: to think in abstract symbol system)_
    55:20 - *Increased awareness of capacity for self-transcendence / self-correction*
    ___________________________________________
    Massive thank you Prof. Vervaeke once again for posting this seriously excellent content on TH-cam for free. I wrote these cliffs for my own convenience, but I hope that others will find them useful as well. This is a more concise break-down, but I will also post a longer-form breakdown of the video with more notes, and more detailed timestamps that I felt would be useful.

    • @ASMRGRATITUDE
      @ASMRGRATITUDE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks!

    • @helyrambelo795
      @helyrambelo795 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thx 🙏👍

    • @wxkx4111
      @wxkx4111 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks!

    • @baybarsk
      @baybarsk ปีที่แล้ว +1

      emege saygi

    • @accadia1983
      @accadia1983 ปีที่แล้ว

      amazing job, really.
      as someone who also structures video information using time notes quite often, I am sure you have also enjoyed writing these down second to second with proper words and this will help you remember this better.
      win win, kudos to you
      keep that flow going and stay well, namaste

  • @odnilniloc
    @odnilniloc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Brilliant! What a time to be alive that we can stumble across presentations of this calibre while scrolling for funny cat videos.

  • @danweiss1974
    @danweiss1974 2 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    Every once in a while I hear someone speak and can feel my brain changing creating new folds as I listen. You are giving me that experience right now John. Thank you so much and I cant wait to listen to the rest of your content. Much love.

    • @gertpietersen6287
      @gertpietersen6287 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, there's like this physical sensation when a certain engagement is demanded and an idea takes root

    • @Beyondhumanlimits1
      @Beyondhumanlimits1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I felt the same when I was listening to his conversation with Jordan. One hour into it I had to stop and did some digging. Ended up here, what a blessing.

    • @ayushro4
      @ayushro4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      and its not just the teaching, but the teacher! John is one of the best teachers i have come across that explains sometimes diffficult to grasp concepts in such a simple digestible manner, that i think it is in my long term memory already.

    • @_x__q
      @_x__q 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When you have to pause the video to take in a sentence...

    • @stvbrsn
      @stvbrsn ปีที่แล้ว

      Neuroplasticity.

  • @RebelWisdom
    @RebelWisdom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +355

    This is brilliant - looking forward to the next episode.

    • @CaesarReb
      @CaesarReb 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Glad to see your interview with John, especially after JP and KW's take on JP.

    • @paddykiernanmusic
      @paddykiernanmusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks for exposing me to his work!

    • @KarimaCynthiaClayton
      @KarimaCynthiaClayton 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Watched this as you suggested in our current meditation class for understanding flow. Now when meditating and practicing flow I will think of what it must feel like to be a rock climber, shaman, to be embodied and yet have oversight.

    • @AndyJarman
      @AndyJarman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Metaphorically brilliant.
      Or does metaphor appear to be a metaphor because we tend to view the world as a material subject?
      We are relating to the invisible world using the tools we developed for the visible.
      Don Hoffman give a talk on this on TEDx.

    • @Ykpaina988
      @Ykpaina988 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes 🙌 indeed

  • @vicsummers9431
    @vicsummers9431 5 ปีที่แล้ว +159

    Akira the Don, please make “ahhhhhh - that’s the flow state” into a funky tune.

    • @SapientEudaimonia
      @SapientEudaimonia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Has this been made already?!

    • @matthewcote5198
      @matthewcote5198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yo he made a badass song called "Steal the Culture" featuring Johnny V! Check it out

    • @ShaneGillisClips
      @ShaneGillisClips ปีที่แล้ว

      @akirathedon get on it!

  • @alisaruddell3484
    @alisaruddell3484 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    As I listened to your description of the flow state, I realized: THIS is exactly what I experienced during natural childbirth (4 kids, including twins). Intense engagement & physical pain, loss of the sense of time, ultimate significance & salience, some of the best experiences of my life, a sense of at-one-ment, nonverbal know-how, just past the boundary of my capacity and yet I managed it. I knew natural childbirth involved an altered state of consciousness, but now I see why so many women love, treasure, and seek it... for the flow!

    • @freebird7017
      @freebird7017 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Alisa Ruddell A most powerful time of my life too! Glad someone else feels the same as I do about this.

    • @spiralsun1
      @spiralsun1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wow, thanks for this. It helped me understand why I am transgender believe it or not. I think very differently than normals. But still. A lot of people don’t even understand their own gifts to the world, or the cosmic significance of what they do or say. Echoes in eternity. Much much love to you. Thanks for sharing this meaning. Or basically thanks for sharing. ❤️
      Basically this is beautiful.

  • @vo2897
    @vo2897 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Was exposed to John's thought during the Peterson conversation.
    Mental dynamite !
    TY sir for sharing.

  • @mr.timmons842
    @mr.timmons842 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    And I thought it was hard watching Jordan Peterson, God damn this guy is good.

    • @rengsn4655
      @rengsn4655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      IMO John is less opaque than Jordan … at least I find John easier to understand

    • @alexanderlindsey7134
      @alexanderlindsey7134 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I'm glad I saw that podcast the other day where thes two talked. Once I heard this guys ideas I ordered his book and found this video series.

    • @spiralsun1
      @spiralsun1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ❤️👁👍🏻

  • @emreatmaca33
    @emreatmaca33 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Vervaeke's himself - throughout the lecture - is a perfect example of being on the flow!

  • @TitanIapetus
    @TitanIapetus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I cannot believe it took me this long to find this series. This is tremendously useful and I'm excited to listen (and re-listen) to the rest of this! Thank you!

  • @dr.terencelaverdure
    @dr.terencelaverdure 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I have been practicing Buddhism (1st Nyingma now Bon) for 28 years and have been practicing Bagua for 24, 9 Ayahuasca ceremonies, one breakthough DMT experience. This channel is amazing for me! When you mentioned "there's knowing about knowing how to do something what its like to have a particular perspective and what its like to know something by identifying with it and participating in it". I was reminded of the Empty of Self (Rang Tong) and the Empty of Other (Shen Tong) controversy in Tibetan Buddhism. Not an expert...but the Rang Tong side states that everything is Empty of Self Nature while the Shen Tong side states that from out of direct experience (meditation) one realizes that for Buddha Nature that cognition is only Empty of Other. For me this means that too an Enlightened Mind there is no Other only Oneness. Trance states, lucid dreams and Ayahuasca put me in the Shen Tong camp. Nothing beats direct experience. Ayahuasca also showed me that we are Beings of Light, I have experienced all the Bardos with the help of this powerful medicine. Thank you so much for your channel Professor Vervaeke, I look forward to watching and learning from all of your videos.

    • @successpeter8380
      @successpeter8380 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wonder if this perhaps parallels the hesychastic doctrine of Metanoia (ego centredness -> ego transcendence), or the Sufist concept of annihilation (fāna) or Vedantic state of the jivān-mukta (Yogi).

    • @kenhiett5266
      @kenhiett5266 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I, too, have explored the psychedelics. Achieving flow state in both altered and non-altered states has facilitated transcendence to a place where consciousness is ubiquitous. This now manifests as a profound change in motivational dynamics and a strong intuition that consciousness arises from the quantum realm. I think this accounts for the observations that don't seem to comport to the macro scale.

  • @ElenaRoche
    @ElenaRoche ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have discovered being in the Flow State when I was 12 while learning hand- embroidery. Loved it. I became a painter. One of my recent works was chosen among world’s top 39 plein air paintings of 2022, the one that I painted in the deep flow state, for three days, four-hour sessions outdoors, hiking with all supplies on my back. It was the most impressive flow state I experienced so far. I didn't want to leave, I literally just set there by my finished painting, not wanting to go home.

  • @LukeARenner1
    @LukeARenner1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Every time I finish jotting down a note and then smack the spacebar to continue playing, I can feel my mind sparking as it feeds on real protein. The gift of your wisdom means more than you can know. Thank you so much for these lessons.

  • @algernoncalydon3430
    @algernoncalydon3430 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    A person can get used to getting into the flow when they are doing something they love to do. Another, as mentioned, is music, especially a musical instrument like the highland bagpipe where it demands precise coordination of so many things just to play the instrument you must memorize the tunes completely to play. Most practice is frustrating and difficult, but there are days when it's perfect. The instrument is perfect, the reed is perfect, one's fingering is perfect and one's playing is perfect. Then it's like an altered state where one is "not-doing", or non-action.

    • @cosmiccomedy7394
      @cosmiccomedy7394 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I play guitar and know exactly what you're talking about. There's times when I'm able to play much better than I even know how to. Its complete bliss and worth all the hours of frustration.

  • @trevorcrone2178
    @trevorcrone2178 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m so thankful there are people like Dr. Vervaeke to share so much knowledge, let alone for free. Truly a wonderful time to be alive

  • @justinthillens2853
    @justinthillens2853 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    There's 50 of these!? So much wisdom! Im going to be watching and rewatching these forever

    • @Sajteman
      @Sajteman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's exactly what I thought when I listened to this lecture

  • @HMALDANA
    @HMALDANA 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    What a privilege to be in your classroom, John! I love the way you explain things!

  • @heimsein
    @heimsein 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A chance to hear more than two full sentences of yours without Dr. Peterson interrupting.
    What a gift.

    • @spiralsun1
      @spiralsun1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, Dr Peterson has trouble listening to things completely. I spoke with him for 3 hours straight once and noticed he did not have a complete picture on that. Anyway I also loved this 🥰🙏🏻👍🏻 But I still think Jordan Peterson’s work is enormously valuable. His “Maps of Meaning” is still on my top 10 list. This coming from someone who is transgender-which I know is irrelevant… which is kinda my point. Most people don’t know what is relevant.

    • @Filthypagan
      @Filthypagan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@spiralsun1 What is your top 10. I know your comment is old

  • @cristellewhite5351
    @cristellewhite5351 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    John, you have found a living path into the jhanas every bit as powerful as Zen. This is truly amazing wisdom you are sharing here. So grateful to you.

  • @anmolsingh6607
    @anmolsingh6607 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    every lecture just flies by and i’d like to think that it’s because i’m in flow state when im listening to them

  • @michaellezama1398
    @michaellezama1398 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I never really knew or understood the feeling you describe as the flow state. It's not something I could consciously trigger, but u know it when you have it. It sort of just happens to you when you're daydreaming, having a good conversation, exercising, or dancing.

    • @spiralsun1
      @spiralsun1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I friggin love dancing. I am writing a book right now and I was listening to music and I just got up and danced for like 20 minutes for no reason… 😂🤷‍♀️ but I had the feeling it was doing something, saying something 🤔 I was deep in flow writing too… interesting. 🧐

  • @bumbklaatt4228
    @bumbklaatt4228 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Visiting JBP podcast was a great move, for all of us. I'm hooked- thank You, John.

  • @Beederda
    @Beederda ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I appreciate YOUR time JV ❤️🍄

  • @danbark4603
    @danbark4603 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you so much for articulating this in your words, I find it very frustrating to explain to folks who are very comfortable in their lives with simple jobs why I risk my life towards art and I think the flow and that state of deep engagement with the world is a part of it. Much like you explain with videogames with comics and storytelling every second, every choice, every angle, every line is so important and I love it all. To be deeply into that place where my brain is trying to figure out what to do with all of this. Assembling, tearing apart, rebuilding, rethinking, scrapping it all and building it up again. Ordinary folks without the patience or care to understand such things discard people like me so quickly its unbelievable and I get called lazy and selfish. I wish so much for my success so I can give them all my earnings so I just dont listen to such words and I get to work in peace.

  • @leedufour
    @leedufour 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Thanks John. I am coming from Jordan Peterson. I think your views will grow as more like me see you. Please keep it up. I very much appreciate your effort

    • @EdStark22
      @EdStark22 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Flow state: the border between Chaos and Order.

    • @roarblast7332
      @roarblast7332 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like that, but I might use the word bridge instead.

  • @derpwagon7317
    @derpwagon7317 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    00:00 recap
    4:00 the flow state
    16:00 the implicit learning (of complex pattern)
    23:00 types of pattern learning.
    28:40 how flow works.
    42:45 bronze age collapse impact
    49:55 second order thinking

  • @ChangeTruth
    @ChangeTruth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thanks for breaking down the study of people knowing they're being stared at. That's something I've heard about so much, but never about the pattern recognition aspect of it.

    • @consciousexplorer8118
      @consciousexplorer8118 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      See biologist Rupert Sheldrake’s work and the non-local consciousness explanation as an alternative.

  • @grrlgd3835
    @grrlgd3835 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what an absolute joy this is ... thank you sir

  • @mattbattaglia4694
    @mattbattaglia4694 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hello from Texas, John, and thank you so much for your work. Never been more excited to watch 50 hours of something. It's like this was made just for me.

  • @thegoatstore7814
    @thegoatstore7814 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you as I create my farm with your words which allows me to understand what my mind is doing. Thank you sir! Also thank you to Dr. Jordan Peterson as well.

  • @cecilcharlesofficial
    @cecilcharlesofficial ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've sang all my life though honestly I just 'figured it out.' And the figuring it out came from paying very close attention to the sensations in my body when I would slip into effortless singing - which would happen from time to time over the years but never consistently and I never knew how to get back there. But I realized that there's a feeling in the body that correlates to that much-improved version of singing, and I started spending a lot of time feeling the sensations in my body to see if I could coax myself back into that relaxed thing. Alan Watts stated numerous times that the sensation of being an ego tends to feel like muscle strain behind the eyes, and that if we were to relax that strain, we'd experience life quite differently. In essence that's what I'm doing - allowing myself to feel the tension in my head, and the anxiety around the heart (and down to my feet) - unclenching and daring myself to feel all the sensations of anxiety. And in allowing myself to feel them, they become very different from the terrible thing I thought they'd be. We think they're bad, hence we clench, but turns out they're not. They feel more like good energy of hope and determination (when you let yourself feel the sensation itself, not what you think it 'means' or your attempt to figure out 'why' you're having it so it'll go away). Nope, just accept it. Say, "Ok body, show me this sensation." And it changes. Which is a great realization on it's own - it feels like I can transmute anxiety to a degree. But also since our brains can only consciously focus on one thing at a time, keeping my mind on the sensations in my body quiets my naming brain, and I start to flow. And then the singing is immediately improved, because I'm being spontaneous, not clenching against a note I'm worried about hitting, because I'm not really even thinking about it till it's there. And then I sing it without worry and the body does it. But as soon as I think about it all (even like, "Oh wow, that sounded awesome"), I can easily fall off the beam. But getting back on just takes this learned feeling of letting go (daring oneself to feel one's body), and allowing yourself to act spontaneously, trusting the flow. I've realized a) I have to practice it all the time to be able to do it onstage, but b) why the hell WOULDN'T I practice it all the time (I'm doing it right now), since whenever I remember to, I can slip into a state of rejuvenation, and my personality becomes the best version of me: playful, gregarious, hopeful but also calm. It's a version of the feeling you get when a song or a story or seeing a loved one moves you to tears. That's what it feels like. And you've had that feeling, we all have. So go toward that sensation, and do what brings you those good meaningful tears, and above all just feel the sensations of your body. All of them, physical and emotional. You'll be surprised.

  • @alodera
    @alodera ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I return to these lectures in tough times, and I feel better. Every time I found something I'd missed before, and then I go to investigate it for myself. Layer by layer, they are so rich! Thank you!

  • @samoneil8853
    @samoneil8853 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I didn't know it was possible to bridge the biological evolution of man and cultural evolution of man in such elegant steps. This has really bridge two previously separate types of thinking for me, love it!

  • @Retiredbee179
    @Retiredbee179 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yıllardır internette gördüğüm en iyi , en derin şey 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻… Dücane Cündioğlu hocanın videolarından bile iyi …

  • @MattTurnerA
    @MattTurnerA 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Things like this is what the internet should be.

  • @emblackbird
    @emblackbird 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I just found this channel and I love it so much already. Thank you for posting these. I've been needing to find more of such content on TH-cam

  • @tiriz101
    @tiriz101 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love this! Looking forward to the rest of the series. Thanks!

  • @Ricoidris
    @Ricoidris 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for these lectures, Doctor. You create an interesting web of ideas. The sources you provide are very much appreciated!

  • @JodyLeeSchroeder
    @JodyLeeSchroeder หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautifully put John, i would love to meet you and sit and go through my practices that lead me to samadhi and loving kindness.
    You are a brilliant mind and beautiful heart. Keep the illumination going so folks can gain an insight and learn to see into these beautiful things

  • @spritecut
    @spritecut 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating and truly insightful. Thank you, this really helps in all sorts of ways, in dealing with and understanding my life.

  • @MatthewSingapore
    @MatthewSingapore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    remember watching this a year ago and feel fortunate to be able to return to these ideas now. thank you John

  • @d.r.m.m.
    @d.r.m.m. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I take so much for granted…about practically everything I know. I didn’t realize it to this extent before embarking on these videos. Thank you, John, for sharing your erudition and your wisdom.

  • @englishman_in_arizona
    @englishman_in_arizona 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely staggering. Thank you.

  • @matthiasstaber9216
    @matthiasstaber9216 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    love it, this is right up my alley - I shall study them ALL!!!!!

  • @eunsilkindley6302
    @eunsilkindley6302 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A great lecture that helped me awaken from a little humdrum daily life. I learned to explore about myself and others in the world as human being.

  • @churchofprometheus8898
    @churchofprometheus8898 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    These are the best lectures I've found on TH-cam. If you like this, Pierre Grimes has some great ideas as well. Unfortunately, a lot of his lectures were filmed prior to digital cameras...so the film quality isn't great.

    • @tamtitamti
      @tamtitamti 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So good, I am rewatching for the second time!:)

  • @jacobtanner2903
    @jacobtanner2903 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am thrilled that you are putting this together into a video series. I watched a bit of your thinking and reasoning lecture series and read some of the zombie book. I love your work. I had the feeling of insight a few times during this video. The point about shaman bringing new metaphors into a community was a big one for me. Thank you for doing this!

  • @WallaceGneiss
    @WallaceGneiss 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    John, your work & presentation are superb on a multitude of levels. Thank you, THANK YOU for sharing here and on Spotify.

  • @sihaoxiao4045
    @sihaoxiao4045 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is fabulous! I first became aware of you from watching mind matters conference online and remembered you and Peterson answered questions together. Please keep this up!

  • @AC-sb4ms
    @AC-sb4ms 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So blessed to have found you. Really helping me make sense of it all. ❤️

  • @911garebear
    @911garebear 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    These lectures are right up my alley. Only wish they were longer

  • @janouliu5856
    @janouliu5856 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you prof Vervaeke. This series has been greatly beneficial to me. I even get this urge of watching all other episodes left overnight. Again, my greatest gratitude and appreciation for your work.

  • @rudar11000
    @rudar11000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is great that You put the books related to lectures..thanks from Belgrade, Serbia.

  • @desireegreen653
    @desireegreen653 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for making this available

  • @thoth2377
    @thoth2377 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You Sir are exhibiting groovy peak flow as you present. Incredible concentration and beautifully relaxed holding of the shared cognitive space. So clear and precise. Thank You!

  • @DavidJones-rc9ek
    @DavidJones-rc9ek 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you John,
    You deliver this in such a palatable manner that it’s staggering how it creates new thinking and ideas in my brain simultaneously whilst listening. It’s like cognitively walking together side by side down a winding path and illuminating all sorts of previously unseen terrain.
    Thank you for sharing this.

  • @demonview6075
    @demonview6075 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well this is just bloody fantastic, thanks so much John Varvaeke.

  • @jaron9978
    @jaron9978 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These are the kinds of talks I believe every family should have together. Thank for providing clarity to those seeking truth.

  • @anavartalitis8425
    @anavartalitis8425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Extremely enlightening! Thank you.

  • @BrigandiFilms
    @BrigandiFilms 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a great lecture! I can't thank you enough for making this available for free. Most of my life I have been a first responder, as a paramedic we hit flow state and it's a time when the culmination of everything you knew gave way to something else, something deeper and more meaningful. I guess like the rock climber and the shaman its about getting out of your own way and being the medicine. Lots to think about. Thanks again Dr. Vervaeke.

  • @antonyliberopoulos933
    @antonyliberopoulos933 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Invaluable set of knowledge. Thank you

  • @jacobjorgenson9285
    @jacobjorgenson9285 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I spend years traveling in Latin America and went to 100’s of ceremonies . He makes a lot of sense

  • @felipedezan1924
    @felipedezan1924 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I attempted to stay in the flow state, while having insights about the flow state. Absolutely amazing. Thank you very much.

  • @microapple97
    @microapple97 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a privilege, to have this at our fingertips. Thank you.

  • @Raapadap
    @Raapadap 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant lectures. Cutting edge perspectives. Teachers like these fuel the advancement of modern psycho technologies. Thank you so much John.

  • @kungfubuju8388
    @kungfubuju8388 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much, John. Very insightful and knowledgeable lectures! I enjoy them alot and I'm looking forward for your next series!

  • @triplea657aaa
    @triplea657aaa ปีที่แล้ว

    Every time i start listening to this series i gain new insights. Great work.

  • @adm58
    @adm58 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another excellent video John. Apart from anything else, studying these historic changes and the developments they instigated in response, seems very relevant to our present times and the vast developmental changes that they are causing and will cause.

  • @mihaiscorp
    @mihaiscorp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your time!

  • @ahimsa79
    @ahimsa79 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, the timing of this video is great. Thank you for sharing your understanding.

  • @marselisha2
    @marselisha2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    taking your course next month.... really excited to get to be even in the same room as you professor. I'm watching all of your videos as much as possible. I am greatly inspired by you. Thank you for this amazing content!

  • @timyoung4083
    @timyoung4083 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoying this, fantastic exploration.

  • @jusapoet72
    @jusapoet72 ปีที่แล้ว

    So grateful for Professor Vervaeke who has made it his life's work to peer so deeply into the very fabric of reality and our relationship with it and one another.....on every level and scale; but also to care enough about humankind-to then share so eloquently and brilliantly this essential wisdom. Now to put these tools to work individually and collectively....this is the work of the next generations.

  • @hadedanewspaper2256
    @hadedanewspaper2256 ปีที่แล้ว

    So very very insightful , simplistically explained and a slow beat as the onion reveals each layer, a true delight and has to be heard more than once....we salute you sir

  • @jcooper2373
    @jcooper2373 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so exciting, thankyou thankyou thankyou John!

  • @thePSYCHcollective
    @thePSYCHcollective 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just found this.
    Mind blown.
    Thank you.

  • @onelifehealthwellnessltd.-9799
    @onelifehealthwellnessltd.-9799 ปีที่แล้ว

    … Ends with a heartfelt, thank you for your time. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your time and this lecture series. Thank you for your time!

  • @NoOneAtAll666
    @NoOneAtAll666 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've always been fascinated with these kind of esoteric topics, which has led me to try and cultivate practices that help me explore my own mind and the world. But I've never listened to anyone as brilliant and well-rounded as John. Such a beautiful and engaging way of explaining these concepts that makes you feel excited to go on a journey. Thanks so much, John :)

  • @trevorable04
    @trevorable04 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this mind-expansive series. I would like to contribute an example of a modern-day shaman: Steve Jobs. The founder of Apple was a man who thought “outside of the box.” When Jobs discovered the first Apple computer, he saw the great potential utility it held for humanity. This insightful perspective on the device was something even the creator, Steve Wozniak, couldn’t see himself. Although the co-founder of Apple was a computer engineering genius, he did not have the intuitive ability like Jobs. One possible reason why Jobs held this unique ability was because he used LSD. In the past, Jobs himself credits LSD for helping him develop his motto/mentality: “Think Differently.” This motto/mentality became the philosophy behind Apple's great success as a company. Because of Apple, the human race has completely changed how we communicate with one another. I hope this can add some insight into this fascinating subject; thank you. I’m sorry if this comes across as confusing or misleading. I just have a lot to share about this fascinating subject.

  • @marinalynn5509
    @marinalynn5509 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Had to stop many times, just to prolong the pleasure of listening, which was a real flow!

  • @maciejtedeque8096
    @maciejtedeque8096 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am thankfull for YOUR time

  • @ivanmyskowski49
    @ivanmyskowski49 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As someone familiar with Jordan Peterson's form of speaking, which seems to be heavily dosed with metaphor and abstract elements, it is interesting and captivating to hear someone speak about topics relating to those Peterson speaks on in a way that in some sense seems to less focused on the whole picture and uncovers the individual aspects clearly. Excited for part three!

  • @collinkeahey1
    @collinkeahey1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This intrinsic ability to recognize complex patterns in our environment must be in part why “schizophrenics” make connections that lead to paranoia. It’s important that John articulates this ability to me, I have experienced my own intuition taking dark turns and been unable to explain why I believe what I believe. Excellent videos!

    • @spiralsun1
      @spiralsun1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The internal world is also full of scary things-just like the external world. Emotions are put there by the unthinking mistakes of ancestors and they should be read out as such. If you read a book full of violence, and death, you don’t (uh hopefully) act it out. You are entertained and enlightened. You should look at your emotions and fears that way too.
      (I don’t literally mean you-I mean people in general, schizophrenic people in particular, so stop being paranoid 😂🤷‍♀️).

  • @MrBlackMarvel
    @MrBlackMarvel 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for your work!

  • @natepolidoro4565
    @natepolidoro4565 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is an incredible story. It makes sense that it resonates with us, because the self you never knew was you can be the most profound person to relate to.

  • @lievenyperman9363
    @lievenyperman9363 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am so grateful for this. Thank you John! Much love from Belgium!

  • @ldaimry
    @ldaimry หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved it. More valuable than any jewel. ❤

  • @mateoromo5587
    @mateoromo5587 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing lecture! I learned so much. I love living in a time when content like this is accesible to everybody. Thank you so much.

  • @alottaguala9766
    @alottaguala9766 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes I came here from JP and God damn am I happy he introduced me to you, this lecture is absolute banger, makes me want to go learn dive into the rabbit holes of many topics discussed, exadaption love that concept, articulated the flow state expertly, and LOVE how when you reference a work you put the book right there. Hours of reading and lectures await which is both terrifying and relieving thank you so much!!

  • @ausi1189
    @ausi1189 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! This is truly groundbreaking holistic work.
    Thank you

  • @bike105bike
    @bike105bike ปีที่แล้ว

    I have got to say that for some reason I have backtracked and read all the books in this course so far. Thanks for inspiring me to such a wealth of bundles of topics.

  • @kipling1957
    @kipling1957 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you! I wish I could have just the audio in a podcast.

  • @michaelhjerth3564
    @michaelhjerth3564 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent, thanks