I didn't make my comment (4 years ago) to engage in a debate. We can either believe and obey The Word of GOD while we're here on earth, or wait until we stand before The One GOD who is seated on the one throne in Heaven and find out if The LORD our GOD is one LORD or if The ALMIGHTY GOD is three separate persons in one...but three in one what? One body? One spirit? One manifestation? One title? One...what? What is the "one" that the supposed "three persons" are "in" ? 🤔 LORD JESUS, I pray that You would give clarity, revelation and understanding as to who You are.
@@Teezjunk how did Jesus say to pray? I grew up apostolic Pentecostal but then left and realized that the people that you or any of the apostolic movement condemn and say they believe in three gods is a farce. Most of these apostolic members and leaders have never even stepped foot in there lives to say that the “trinitarians” believe in three gods. They don’t, these attacks amongst that body of Christ is whats dividing and destroying all of us and Satan is siting back and laughing at us while we all are too busy arguing who is correct and who is not and who is going to hell or heaven. The word says there will be many surprises in heaven. The Lords nature is very complex and we can’t simply cherry pick what sounds good to us and get rid of what doesn’t.
To all trinitarians and Oneness born again christians let us be watchful that the Spirit that comes from God may always shine upon us not letting this talk encompass us to forget how we should behave and act, not letting our attitude go asunder. May God the Father bless you and keep you with the infilling always of the Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ Name. Amen
People who believe in "Oneness" ARE NOT saved and don't have the Holy Spirit because they believe in a DIFFERENT Jesus! They are just like the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons that deny the Trinity!! Their "Jesus" is another Jesus, and not the same Jesus of the Bible. The Jehovah's Witnesses think Jesus was the Archangel Michael, and the Mormons think Jesus is the spiritual brother of Lucifer, aka the devil! If you don't have God the Father, you don't have the Son, and if you don't have the Son, you don't have the Father! So if you don't believe in the Trinity, you have a different "god"!!
God has His throne and Christ sits with him, with the authority that he said God GAVE him. Jesus tells us that if we are victorious, we will rule WITH HIM JUST AS he rules WITH GOD! God dwells in Jesus,yes, just as God dwells in US, but to think that Jesus does not have his OWN spirit, mind and will, is denying who Jesus truly is, and that is The son OF God Almighty. Blessings
I grew up oneness, but it never seemed to fit. I had questions that never got real answers. When I was 15 I cut my hair at a sleep over and I was took into the pastors office and told that I didnt have a right to pray because I cut my hair. I can never put into words how much that hurt me. And to think that there was this God that could be so easily swade repulsed me....I was broken, depressed, suicidal, and left not having any clue what I believed anymore, but thankfully when I went to college I met some amazing people in campus ministries that showed me love, friendship, the truth of the trinity, and took the time to explain things to me. Today I am a happy, blessed, proud trinitarian!
and you are going to split hell wide open. You decided to go against the Bible on Holiness as a child and uneducated person and also follow Satan's false triad doctrine given to your mother church Rome and her harlot offspring per REV. 17:5
Robin Taylor , and lost headed for hell for rebellion and rejecting the word of God and truth.Most likely never had the Spirit or feigned it.Hell was enlarged for your kind, be forewarned.three gods! yikes what filth is that, denying Jesus as the one true God and Father and selling a birthright for that bowl of pottage.
***** You seem eager to send others to hell. *Nowhere does The Bible tell us to confess or believe that Jesus is God.* We are, on the other hand, told to *confess that Jesus is God's SON!* 1 John 4:15
+Robin Taylor Sorry to hear of your pain. I think the UPC is a cult - however, because they are wrong - does not make the trinity true. The trinity is just as false as modalism - the truth is in ITim2:5. It is very simple - Jesus is a man - and BETWEEN God and man. Best wishes in surrendering to the man Christ Jesus.
We know according to Johns' gospel account that no man has seen God(the father) at any time ( John 1:18) We also know that no man had ever seen the Holy Spirit at any time. So the bottom line is that the only God man will ever see is in the glorified body of Jesus Christ.
I was in a UPC oneness church for 5 years, 6 years later I was attending a Bible-school ran by David Wilkerson in Lindale/Tyler Texas! I remember talking to one of the teachers&administrators at the school & told him various members of my family were still in the UPC church(father & 2 brothers)! I asked him about his views of the UPC church! He said to him it was a false doctrine, however he also said that he did not see the doctrine as false enough to damm a soul to hell that had come to beleive in this doctrine! He was an Assembly of God minister&pastor!
But you and your friend are in a false enough doctrine to land you in hell. THE CATHOLIC MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (PROTESTANTS). Assembly of God Ministers are Catholics, don't be fooled by the name, you hold Trinity godhead of three beings and a false title baptism and reject Holiness.
***** Iam a christian mucisian & Iam associated with IHOP(International House Of Prayer), started by Mike Bickell in Kansas City Mo in the nineties! Bob in the O.T. David established music & singing in the tabernackle & Solomon later in the temple & nearly til the last destruction of the temple in 70 A.D.! In the church age various groups did the same thing! We beleive that music & singing combining it with prayer/praise&worship, to do spiritual warfare! Kind of like with the annointings of Biblical folk like Joshua marching around Jerico, Gideons army, Elisha & the army against Isreal being destroyed by angels! Also Jehosaphat & his military miracle! We ae trusting God like these folk did long ago!!!!!
RonSafreed, if you not Oneness you are not Christian, and you don't follow truth and One God, and Jesus name, but a belief in a cult started by Tertullian in the 3rd century. ONENESS TRUTH, TRINITY HERESY Board owner. BOB JAMES
+bob james those 5 years & I had a brother who was in the UPC 17 years & these 5 years they were not joyful! This other brother it was different for him, however the pastor kicked him out even calling the police on him to escort him out of the church!(August 1987)! It was the Miami Florida UPC church pastored by a Wayne Rooks(1952-1994)! Before Wayne Rooks a man named Geiger was pastor but committed suicide in 1952 by blowing his brains out with a 38 revolver! In 1972 seven men who had gone to various UPC Bible-schools ABI in Minnesota headed by a man named Norris was the main school, wanted to start UPC churches in the Dade county area & brother Rooks along with Bill Connell(Florida state superintendant) did not let any new churches to be stated! In fact in south Florida there were only six churches! Most UPC churches were in central/north & Panhandle Florida! Thy had the Boy-couts but after a year the troop fell apart & I had dreams of being an eagle-scout & no one cared! I got a paper-route for three years to help me from becoming a juvenile-delenquent! Bob my mother was kicked out & my father eventually left though he brought three of his work-friends into the church!
Is there hope for the Oneness Pentecostal? Yes there is. It's CHRIST IN US, the HOPE of Glory!! I'm a former Assemblies of God minister now with the UPCI (since 1993). I have no regrets.
A lesson for everyone. It doesn't matter what kind of experiences you have had in your church. I could go to a UPCI church (and I don't know of any "bad" ones but no church is perfect) and it could be perfect or the people could be mean horrible ect. I could go to a trinity church and the same thing is true. At the end of the day the church doesn't matter as long as gods working there the pastor is preaching the word and your seeking Jesus. At the end of the day it's not about religion it's about having a relationship with God. Now I personally have found that at my apostolic (UPCI) church which has an amazing supportive church family which in the past two weeks I've been taken out to eat by 3 families. Very amazing environment. Jesus should be the center of everything no matter how busy we get Jesus should be the center and we should seek him. UPCI is a great origination that teaches the truth and God has really blessed us. Take a look at the work in the UN UPCI is doing. Revival! I challenge you if your trinity atheist whatever go to an apostolic church and worship God at the beginning listen to the word and seek God at the altar call and you will feel his presence and you will never want to go anywhere else.
It is obvious from your comments that you are not interested in the truth of the scriptures and anything goes. Truth matters - I recommend that you study the scriptures asking God to give you the correct understanding.
I just graduated from Texas Bible College this past semester (class of 2020) and have heard about those who had been confused to the point of excuses to leave the truth. This saddens me to such an anointed man of God leave the truth. We are in the last days and those who do, and have known the truth are responsible for it. God never lets us go no matter how far we are. Duet 6:4 and Acts 2:38 is still our battle cry!
Hey brother, I say this in an attitude of constructive criticism, not to break you down but to build you up. I have one (hopefully) thoughtful question: Who died on the cross? If Jesus Christ is just a mode of the one eternal God, you have to make the claim that some percentage of God died on the cross. What percentage of God died on the cross? In addition to this, if you choose to answer with the typical explanation, “The Son of Man died on the cross, but the Son of God ascended to heaven” (Nestorianism) you come into conflict with a LOT of passages stating that both the Son of Man is in heaven, and the Son of God died on the cross. 1 Corinthians 2:8 “Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.” Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:” Daniel 7:13 “I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.” Acts 7:55-56 “But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God” Hebrews 6:6 “ if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance, seeing that they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh and put Him to open shame.”
@@duriuswulkins4324 There is no separating of Jesus. He’s omnipresent. The flesh, the human being spoke out. He was 100% human and divine. I won’t argue because my mistake in the first place was responding to this.
@@josiahdelgadillo2479 That’s great that you affirm the hypostatic union of Christ’s humanity and divinity. I however have a hard time believing that’s actually what you believe. The implication of it is this: if Jesus is the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit; that means God in totality died on the cross. If the Creator of the universe died on the cross, how did the universe hold together for those three days?
It is actually a simple point and the answer should be obvious to those who have not rejected logic and demonized it as the "wisdom of this world." The word was WITH God in John 1:1-2 and some would try to futilely argue that the Word was with God as a thought, idea, plan or attribute. But the word para in the Greek is also with and not so easily brushed aside. Are you with yourself? Do you share things with yourself? Do you send yourself? They, the Apostolics embrace irrationality. You too?
"And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." John 17:5 So what your saying is that when I read this passage I should see: "And now, O Jesus, glorify Jesus together with Jesus, with the glory which Jesus had with Jesus before the world was"?
@@October31st1517 John 17:5 Jesus was praying as A Man.. Jesus is talking about the GLORY of crucifixion.. not the divine glory.. This glory has been planned.. (Revelation 13:8) The lamb died before the world was.’ How come the lamb/Jesus died before the world was? Its simple, it has not been happened yet.. IT WAS PLANNED in the mind of God (John 1:1) The ‘WORD’ is logos in greek means ‘in the mind of God.’ We can see that the glory that Jesus prayed in John 17:5 were shared by him to his disciples (John 17:22) Therefore it does really mean that this type of glory is the glory of crucifixion because a divine glory cannot be shared (Isaiah 42:8) In Matthew 17 Jesus transfiguration.. This glory here was the divine glory where Jesus garments became so white and glistering.. The Bible speaks of Jesus being buried, he was resurrected and he was glorified.. Thats what John 17:5 means.. After Jesus Sufferings, after he died, after he was resurrected - he then ENTERED INTO GLORY (Luke 24:26) Now, it seems like you were Oneness before and you were deceived again by the Devil believing God has 3 persons which is unbiblical.. Can you answer my question? Who gave Jesus the divine glory? And when Jesus was incarnated as a human, did he leave his glory to the father and in time that he is ready, he prayed to the father to give him back the glory to him? Did he leave his glory to the father? What verse where I can read that he left his glory to the father when he became a human? After Jesus prayed in John 17:5, is there changes in his garments? Does his garments became glistering and white that all the disciples saw that after John chapter 17? WHAT DO YOU THINK?!
Cont. Jesus being under subjection to God means just that, that God will be over Christ. Jesus will not turn into God; they are 2 separate individuals and Jesus will always be God's son. Blessings
To answer the question " Is there any hope for Pentecostals?" OF COURSE!!! We got the ONE REDEEMER!!! Who is speaking in Isaiah 44:6? Who is speaking in Revelation 1:8? now we can look at John 17 in light of the scripture....
The United Pentecostal Church has also grown and evolved a lot over the last few years, and just search "UPC revival" and you will see how hundreds of thousands of people are experiencing revival and changed lives in the ministry of the UPCI. #1godjesus
(Acts 2:38 KJV) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
If you baptize in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the Holy GHost, the Catholic church says you are part of them. I heard this from a priest on the radio. The Catholic church changed the baptism from Jesus name in 325 A.D. But the Catholic church does not recognize those baptized in Jesus name, only those in the Father,son ,and Holy Ghost. That makes me proud to be baptized in his name. Thank you Jesus!!!!
It depends. There is a difference between (c)atholic and Roman Catholic. Catholic simply means universal. All blood bought Christians belong to the 1 catholic and apostolic church. Insofar as changing the baptismal formula, your assumption has no historical basis. The Didache a historic Christian document around 70 AD had this to say about baptism. " And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before. "
October31st1517, you are a Catholic and follow her, and Protestants have no history back to Christ. You are part of MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (your Protestant hoard).
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I AM!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.” This is a powerful double claim from Jesus: 1st, that He pre-existed His human birth and was actually alive and present (as God) before Abraham; 2nd, that His title was “I AM”, which was the same title used for Jehovah God in Ex.3:14. His listeners again got the point,& picked up stones to execute Him!
Michael Caza-Schonberger Great question. First, I am not sure where you are going with the Echad thing - but that is irrelevant to your ultimate question. The answer is simply that Mr. McNeil has formally become a vaticanist - a disciple of the pontiff - as I understand.
Michael Caza-Schonberger The echad would fail miserably to reflect the trinity. Regardless, such a concept - a 3rd/4thC construction based on Hellenistic concepts and lousy exegesis - is not all in view one way or the other in Deut4:6 - it is the furtherthest thought from any Biblical writers mind - most of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is eternal life that they might know YOU (sng prn) - the ONLY true God - AND (someone other than the ONLY true God - Jesus Christ - whom YOU (the ONLY true God) - have sent.
Greg Logan actually unlearned one the word echad is the plurality of one. Proof, Gen. 2:24 the two shall become one, the word used there is echad. Your claims of the Trinity being Hellenistic is absolutely preposterous, even in Talmud we see debates on whether God is yachid (a singular entity, which is what Judaism believes now because of the teachings of Rambam) or echad (which is what the Bible teaches). You see glimpses of the Triune nature of God all throughout the pages of TaNaKh and the New Testament. Consider this passage and explain to me how Yeshua is the only person of the Godhead: Hebrews 1:1-4 "At sundry times and in divers manners God spake in the old time to our fathers by the Prophets: in these last days he hath spoken unto us by his Son, Whom he hath made heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds, Who being the brightness of the glory, and the engraved form of his person, and bearing up all things by his mighty word: hath by himself purged our sins: and sitteth at the right hand of the Majesty in the highest places, And is made so much more excellent than the Angels, inasmuch as he hath obtained a more excellent Name than they." (1599 Geneva Bible) Who's right hand is Yeshua sitting at? Or what about this one: Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus when he was baptized, came straight out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and John saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him. And lo, a voice came from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (1599 Geneva Bible) If Yeshua is the only person of the Godhead, then who was speaking from heaven? Who was Yeshua praying to, if not to the Father? Was he schizophrenic? He was clearly praying to the Father. Also if He's the only person of the Godhead, then how can you claim to be baptized in the Holy Spirit as well as be the Temple of the Holy Spirit since Yeshua is the only one? We know from Scripture the Holy Spirit is God because of the fact that the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. You really do not have a strong argument. Scripture is clear from Gen. 1-Rev. 22.
Yeah, oneness pentecostals are very well known for their legalism. I'm a guitar player myself. I personally prefer Ibanez. It's great to see aanother axe grinding brother.
I read the comments and I notice how no one deals with what these gentleman just talked about concerning the usage of the Greek word παρά pronounced para, and the Greek word πρός pronounced pros. I checked this out and what this gentleman said is true. There's no way out of it but Oneness Doctrine believers will again find some clever way to EXPLAIN THIS AWAY TOO.
I had been oneness for years, but am soon to get kicked out. I cut my hair off, up to the tops of my shoulders. The uncut hair thing for women is stupid, among other non Bible based standards the UPC came up with.
godsfiddler , is a denier of holiness.Maybe you should read your Bible and see such and quit rebelling as the liberal Trinitarians did many decades ago.
But what we know is by what God reveals. Jesus revealed to us that God was triune. (John 15:26) By telling oneness that they must embrace not only what God but WHO God is, is the most loving thing one can do.
I'd be amazed if God is going ask us if we are Oneness or Trinitarian. Paul would ask us do we have the Holy Ghost and unto what then were we baptised. Whichever we break it down we are to do everything in Jesus name. I don't get into these debates anymore as I think it's all about religious spirits getting us to argue amoungst ourselves. Some time ago God's Glory came down in Houston Texas and revival spread to several churches on the area, some Oneness and some Trinitarian several of them not even Pentecostal.
I grew up Oneness like you, and I do not regret that in any way, but at the same time, if the Trinity people and their doctrine was from hell, then why is it that they too get the Holy Ghost, speak in tongues, and have fruit and gifts of the Spirit? I understand that you won't agree, but you really don't understand what they teach, they don't believe in 3 Gods at all. They're more like you than you think.
Mr. McNeil possibly never had the revelation of the truth in the first place, as such he was always exposed to spiritual danger, sadly which he eventually fell victim to.
I disagree. He said himself that he was trying to explain too much away. Through study God opened his eyes to the fact that God is tripersonal rather than unipersonal.
A divine revelation (an eye opening experience) is not the same as deception, which carries a similar flavour of a divine revelation. That similar flavour is known as an appearance. Now what negates what he thinks is a divine revelation, is that the Father is a unipersonal God, and in fact the only God Jesus served, in keeping with the divine command to serve only one God. For the trinity to stand up, it's adherents has to first admit that their God the Son was a practical monotheist who worshipped only one God, because the only God of their God the Son, is clearly a unipersonal God. Now that is three unipersonal Gods, aren't they. How then can the trinity not be three Gods? Again, Mr. McNeil possibly never had the revelation of the truth, and as such he was exposed to spiritual danger, sadly which he eventually fell victim to.
dgreenja “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." John 14:23 Who is the WE and the OUR being referred to here?
The we and our are the same one Spirit in the believer, which is the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of the Son. This one Spirit is not a shared Spirit of persons dwelling in the believer. Spirit of the Father relates to his divine power to perform miracles, heal the sick, subdue kingdoms not of God etc, whereas the Spirit of the Son teaches the believer to have a humble Christ-like spirit. The believer has both aspect of the Spirit, but not that the we and our reveal persons of the godhead. The believer has one divine person or being in him, for there is only one Spirit.
The we and our, are the one Comforter, which is that other Comforter Jesus mentioned, even the same Comforter on earth, Jesus, who now dwells as that same Comforter in another form.
dgreenja [According to Oneness theology] If the Holy Spirit[the Father] doesn't speak on His own authority but whatever He hears that shall He say, doesn't that make the Father subordinate to the Son? When you say the Son is God, you simply are saying that the Father is God, so how did God create the worlds through the Son if the Son wasn't there in the beginning?
WHAT PART OF GOD BECAME FLESH DOESNT THIS GUY UNDERSTAND = ONLY WITH THE TRUE BAPTISM OF THE HOLYGHOST WILL YOU EVER UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS CHRIST IS ALMIGHTYGOD EVERLASTING FATHER AND THE IMAGE OF GOD = THIS MAN NEEDS TO REPENT AND TRULY BE BORN FROM ABOVE AND STOP WRESTLING WITH THE SCRIPTURES UNTO HIS OWN DESTRUCTION = IT IS WRITTEN THE JUST SHALL WALK BY FAITH
October31st1517 , yet the Bible says He is in ISA. 9:6 AND REV. 21:6-7 And the Bible says God is the Father, but you cannot rightly divide the word, because you follow MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (that is your ilk).
October31st1517, APOSTOLIC ONENESS PENTECOSTAL CHRISTIANS of Monarchian Monotheist teaching does, on ONE GOD, JESUS NAME BAPTISM, SPIRIT BAPTISM, HOLINESS. Your church started ca 210 a.d. by one pagan gentile philosopher Tertullian, a excommunicatedfellow and inventor of the Trinity doctrine, word and tritheist doctrine. BOB JAMES ONENESS TRUTH, TRINITY HERESY Board owner and Oneness saint against the trinity lies.
October31st1517, certainly is not you and your ilk with thethree god lie and murder and torture and blood of the saints and others on your itty bitty hands.
(Isa 9:6 KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 20:27-29: Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’" Thomas realized, because of Jesus’ resurrection, who Jesus really was -- and humbly WORSHIPPED HIM and declared His true identity: “My Lord and my GOD!” Jesus not only accepts this declaration, but blesses all of the disciples -- and all of us today -- who come to the same realization and place of humble worship.
The important thing is that we put God Almighty above all else! We must absolutely know Him and we must truly know Jesus Christ. God loves His Son so very much, and we must love him too. And Jesus loves His Father and his God so very much and did all that he did to bring glory to God, his Father. We cannot meld Father and Son into 1 being, stripping them each of their personal being. God sacrificed his own son! And Jesus sacrificed his life for US and his blood TO God, FOR OUR SIN. Be blessed
(Isa 9:6 KJV) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Abi ad = my father everlasting . Messiah father is from everlasting . Abi always means my father . Lines up with the Bible perfectly . Of the messiah who says He has a Father and said He had glory with the Father before the world was .
@@melvinburgos9833 right He Jesus is telling you He is Spirit. the Father. because there is only One Spirit and One God. like isaiah 9:6 told you, read it again, it says the Father will become the Son.
@@melvinburgos9833 John 14:21 “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”
@@ronhanish Jesus was not praying to the air . The Father , Son and Holy Ghost eternally exist , and simultaneously not in different modes. Modalism is a heresy .
The trinity is not Tritheism. Trinity is monotheistic. You just twisted what I just said “abi ad” my father everlasting . The messiah’s Father is FROM EVERLASTING. Jesus own word’s NEVER call Himself the Father . John 5:30-40, John 8:17-18, John 14:16-17, John 15:26. 1 John 1:1-3. It is a direct attack on the doctrine of Christ . 2 John 1:7-11.
I really praise God. I marvel at how He puts words in my mind when I write text here in this site. I am a timid person sometimes at a lost for words when conversing or writing on different topics.
he prayed while He was in the flesh, because he was not just God as before, but He was a man. a weak man , like us. He does now continue to pray for us now, not because he is a weak man , but because He is our mediator, and He is our High Priest.
John 10:30-33: “‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, CLAIM TO BE GOD’” It couldn’t be clearer than it is here: Jesus’ highly educated listeners understood His claim of deity.Jesus doesn’t argue with their accusation, because it was accurate
Jesus came in the flesh to do the work of his Father. All that Jesus did was to glorify his father. Jesus and his Father are 2 distinct person, they are not the same being~ blessings
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD. John 1:14 And THE WORD WAS MADe flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. There for Jesus is GOD !!!!! ONE GOD
@October31st1517 I agree one thousand percent. Modalism which was start by sabellian (sp), or modern day oneness is heresy. The trinity was not "invented" at Nicea which is what is suggested by these people. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I use The KJV and NASB. Why would you suppose that I use the new world translation? I'm merely telling you the truth.There are flaws in versions and translations whether we like it or not. We can't deny what is fact. Mtt 28:19 was NOT in early manuscripts but was INSERTED. The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263: "The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century." Be blessed
when God became flesh, His Spirit was still filling all space as Spirit. that is how the man could feel pain and the need to pray because the man was suffering .he became His own sacrifice.
Trinitarianism teaches that Jesus was YHWH. You then claim "Trinitarians go beyond the personification of Jesus which says that his human spirit form is at the same level of the Eternal human form. Never." What you seem to be speaking of is an ancient heresy called "Nestorianism". You are dividing the natures of Christ. Jesus was the GODMAN. Whatever He did, He did as the GODMAN. You cannot separate His natures from the person.
Sorry if I missed it but when was the questioned previously asked to me? Also I'd like an answer to my previous question: are the persons of the trinity each a separate spirit, or are they each a separate part of one spirit? I'd sincerely like to know a trinity persons point of view (not one of the people of the Godhead trinity, but a human on this board. Thanks! God bless!
Truly a Son a God like God called His children to be in the Old Testament and Jesus confirmed in John when talking to the saduccees and pharacees to say they were wrong to say he blaspheme saying he was the Son of God Jesus never claimed to be the Father ever and it was never taught that He was in the first church. He and all that taught, taught Jesus to be the Son of God separate from the Father a man on earth divine in creation and divine now before he comes back to end all these vain debates and arguments. We will walk with Jesus and our Father the one true God will cast His eternal light forever over His Kingdom given to His Son and all His children that come knowing Him through knowing His literal Son Jesus he sent to die for us.
@2222pauline What does any of this AD Hom attacks have anything to do with the subject? This video series is about iwhether the trinity is biblical or not. Can you show me from the bible where 1 God means 1 Person, or in other words that MONOTHEISM is UNITARIANISM? I have yet for any oneness person to meet this challenge.
I went to a Oneness P. church and got blessed by the HS after just two weeks and the members were all mad at me. They are strange people for sure. I think the HS used me as an example..!!!
@2222pauline So John 17:5 should read "And now, O Jesus, glorify Jesus together with Jesus, with the glory which Jesus had with Jesus before the world was." Does that make sense?
There is one thing that is prevelent in the Apostolic Pentecostal Chrurches that I wish practiced more often and taught in other Pentecostal churches. Spontaneity. They flow in spontaneous preaching, praying, worshiping, and teach being lead by the spirit. Other churches they seem more focused on schedules and times and structures. We should keep schedules,but, we should also allow the Holy Ghost to promt us to do things or say things, or pray spontaneously.
Psalm 139: 6-10 (Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? Or wither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. ) Notice: God's spirit, His presence and His Right Hand- ONE GOD.
In trying to understand the Trinity, I have a simple question. Are the people of the Trinity separate spirits? Or are the people of the Trinity each a separate part of one spirit? Please explain with Scripture. THANKS!!!
Q. What's your opinion? You seem to ask alot of questions, which is great because people like to listen to themselves talk, but how do you weigh in on the question?
Another thought on this debate, If I went to a car salesman wondering if getting a different car was trading up or trading down and all the salesman could do is put my old car down I'd have to wonder if what he wanted me to buy was any good.
@kbryant01 Great. Can you show me the word BIBLE in the word of God. How about omnipresent, or omniscient? Truly you must agree thaT though these words are non biblical God does have these attributes? Yes or No?
I still believe in One God, His name is Jesus Christ. He Operates in different ways but it is the same God that works all in all. I was born again in Jesus name buried with Him through baptism making me a son of God( He is my Father). I am full of Christ's Spirit (Holy Spirit). He has redeemed me with His Blood ( Son of Redemption). Thank you Jesus. It's amazing what you can do. Omnipresent Omnipotent Omniscient Jesus!
Hey brother, I say this in an attitude of constructive criticism, not to break you down but to build you up. I have one (hopefully) thoughtful question: Who died on the cross? If Jesus Christ is just a mode of the one eternal God, you have to make the claim that some percentage of God died on the cross. What percentage of God died on the cross? In addition to this, if you choose to answer with the typical explanation, “The Son of Man died on the cross, but the Son of God ascended to heaven” (Nestorianism) you come into conflict with a LOT of passages stating that both the Son of Man is in heaven, and the Son of God died on the cross. 1 Corinthians 2:8 “Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.” Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:” Daniel 7:13 “I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.” Acts 7:55-56 “But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God”
@@BornAgainMinistryJB If Jesus died on the cross, and Jesus is the Father Son and Holy Spirit; how did the universe exist while God was dead for 3 days?
@@duriuswulkins4324 John 2:19 King James Version 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 👆Jesus raised himself from the dead. If He did that, He can do anything. All things are possible for Him. It just shows how amazing God really is by your question, because God was still control the entire time. :) Does God have any limitations?
Trinitarians might say that God's spirit is the "person" of the Holy Spirit, " and His presence is the "person" of the Father, and His Right Hand is the "person" of the Son. But I don't think that God's presence, spirit and right hand are separate from each other, any more than my spirit, presence and right hand are separate from me. Oneness Pentecostals do not deny the role of the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost, they just believe that they are not separated in any way.
I agree with your statement and your comments are welcomed, but we will not be discussing wether the Roman Catholic faith is the 1 true church. This video is about the heresy of modalism that has been rejected as heresy by the church fathers..
Both sides of this argument come from mankind aka human beings trying to describe God . It cannot be done. I choose to love both trinitarians and oneness and consider both to be part of the body of Christ. We may disagree but that does not mean we are not brothers and sisters. as to unanswered questions trinitarians cannot answer every question either. Let us love one another for love is of God whether we understand everything about God= we can still love one another I john 4:7-8
The question & it's answer that disturbed me as a Trinitarian was why they couldn't baptize the same way as the several examples as found in the book of the acts of the apostles. Why does belief in the Trinitarian dogma require the use of the formula never used in the New Testament & distinctly against the use of the name of Jesus as it teaches & gives examples of.
The origin of the Trinity within Christian circles did start as a "Triad." Theophilus of Antioch wrote in his writings (p.101) of the Ante-Nicene Fathers, that God was a triad or trinity. His formula was that God was "God, Word, and Wisdom." Now where did Theophilus get this idea? The book "Reevaluating the Trinity" reveals exactly where he obtained such a formula. History will not lie as to the origin of an ancient philosophical theory mixed with scripture. Thanks.
Jesus isn't telling us he is The Father, in a tricky way, or any other way, ronhanish. Jesus tells us The father has SENT him. Jesus tells us he only does what he sees his father do. Jesus tells us The father is The one God. Jesus sits on the throne WITH his Father. Jesus says God is his Father and his Father is the one true God, and is HIS God, Many blessings to you
@222erichathy And your evidence for this charge? I would like to know because I became a trinitarian from studying the bible. So again I ask, what is your evidence for this charge?
@8chariotrider Never once did I ask you if YHWH was a singular being. Trinitarianism already affirms that YHWH is 1 being. My question was can you show me that the 1 Being of YHWH is only possessed by one person?
Oneness IS NOT a cult it is The TRUTH.
Lol 😂
🤦🏽♂️ when you send others to hell for not speaking in tongues or not being baptized in one way that’s heretic and cultic
So you condemn the Catholic church as a cult ?
I didn't make my comment (4 years ago) to engage in a debate. We can either believe and obey The Word of GOD while we're here on earth, or wait until we stand before The One GOD who is seated on the one throne in Heaven and find out if The LORD our GOD is one LORD or if The ALMIGHTY GOD is three separate persons in one...but three in one what? One body? One spirit? One manifestation? One title? One...what? What is the "one" that the supposed "three persons" are "in" ? 🤔 LORD JESUS, I pray that You would give clarity, revelation and understanding as to who You are.
@@Teezjunk how did Jesus say to pray? I grew up apostolic Pentecostal but then left and realized that the people that you or any of the apostolic movement condemn and say they believe in three gods is a farce. Most of these apostolic members and leaders have never even stepped foot in there lives to say that the “trinitarians” believe in three gods. They don’t, these attacks amongst that body of Christ is whats dividing and destroying all of us and Satan is siting back and laughing at us while we all are too busy arguing who is correct and who is not and who is going to hell or heaven. The word says there will be many surprises in heaven. The Lords nature is very complex and we can’t simply cherry pick what sounds good to us and get rid of what doesn’t.
So have I and you have yet to answer. How many persons are mentioned in John 15:26?
Yes. There 3 persons mentioned.
To all trinitarians and Oneness born again christians let us be watchful that the Spirit that comes from God may always shine upon us not letting this talk encompass us to forget how we should behave and act, not letting our attitude go asunder. May God the Father bless you and keep you with the infilling always of the Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ Name. Amen
Trinitarians are not born again. They are not saved.They worship a false set of gods. They are a Cult.
People who believe in "Oneness" ARE NOT saved and don't have the Holy Spirit because they believe in a DIFFERENT Jesus! They are just like the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons that deny the Trinity!! Their "Jesus" is another Jesus, and not the same Jesus of the Bible. The Jehovah's Witnesses think Jesus was the Archangel Michael, and the Mormons think Jesus is the spiritual brother of Lucifer, aka the devil! If you don't have God the Father, you don't have the Son, and if you don't have the Son, you don't have the Father! So if you don't believe in the Trinity, you have a different "god"!!
God has His throne and Christ sits with him, with the authority that he said God GAVE him.
Jesus tells us that if we are victorious, we will rule WITH HIM JUST AS he rules WITH GOD!
God dwells in Jesus,yes, just as God dwells in US, but to think that Jesus does not have his OWN spirit, mind and will, is denying who Jesus truly is, and that is The son OF God Almighty.
Blessings
I grew up oneness, but it never seemed to fit. I had questions that never got real answers. When I was 15 I cut my hair at a sleep over and I was took into the pastors office and told that I didnt have a right to pray because I cut my hair. I can never put into words how much that hurt me. And to think that there was this God that could be so easily swade repulsed me....I was broken, depressed, suicidal, and left not having any clue what I believed anymore, but thankfully when I went to college I met some amazing people in campus ministries that showed me love, friendship, the truth of the trinity, and took the time to explain things to me. Today I am a happy, blessed, proud trinitarian!
and you are going to split hell wide open.
You decided to go against the Bible on Holiness as a child and uneducated person and also follow Satan's false triad doctrine given to your mother church Rome and her harlot offspring per REV. 17:5
Never let man or church doctrine deceive or discourage you.
GOD says he is one, not three, and Jesus Christ is truly GOD's son.
Blessings
Robin Taylor , and lost headed for hell for rebellion and rejecting the word of God and truth.Most likely never had the Spirit or feigned it.Hell was enlarged for your kind, be forewarned.three gods! yikes what filth is that, denying Jesus as the one true God and Father and selling a birthright for that bowl of pottage.
*****
You seem eager to send others to hell.
*Nowhere does The Bible tell us to confess or believe that Jesus is God.*
We are, on the other hand, told to *confess that Jesus is God's SON!*
1 John 4:15
+Robin Taylor Sorry to hear of your pain. I think the UPC is a cult - however, because they are wrong - does not make the trinity true. The trinity is just as false as modalism - the truth is in ITim2:5. It is very simple - Jesus is a man - and BETWEEN God and man. Best wishes in surrendering to the man Christ Jesus.
We know according to Johns' gospel account that no man has seen God(the father) at any time ( John 1:18)
We also know that no man had ever seen the Holy Spirit at any time.
So the bottom line is that the only God man will ever see is in the glorified body of Jesus Christ.
I was in a UPC oneness church for 5 years, 6 years later I was attending a Bible-school ran by David Wilkerson in Lindale/Tyler Texas! I remember talking to one of the teachers&administrators at the school & told him various members of my family were still in the UPC church(father & 2 brothers)! I asked him about his views of the UPC church! He said to him it was a false doctrine, however he also said that he did not see the doctrine as false enough to damm a soul to hell that had come to beleive in this doctrine! He was an Assembly of God minister&pastor!
But you and your friend are in a false enough doctrine to land you in hell.
THE CATHOLIC MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (PROTESTANTS).
Assembly of God Ministers are Catholics, don't be fooled by the name, you hold Trinity godhead of three beings and a false title baptism and reject Holiness.
***** Iam a christian mucisian & Iam associated with IHOP(International House Of Prayer), started by Mike Bickell in Kansas City Mo in the nineties! Bob in the O.T. David established music & singing in the tabernackle & Solomon later in the temple & nearly til the last destruction of the temple in 70 A.D.! In the church age various groups did the same thing! We beleive that music & singing combining it with prayer/praise&worship, to do spiritual warfare! Kind of like with the annointings of Biblical folk like Joshua marching around Jerico, Gideons army, Elisha & the army against Isreal being destroyed by angels! Also Jehosaphat & his military miracle! We ae trusting God like these folk did long ago!!!!!
RonSafreed, if you not Oneness you are not Christian, and you don't follow truth and One God, and Jesus name, but a belief in a cult started by Tertullian in the 3rd century.
ONENESS TRUTH, TRINITY HERESY
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BOB JAMES
+bob james Oh so if he not a oneness he's not a believer? Can you show me in the Bible where it say if you not a oneness your not Christian?
+bob james those 5 years & I had a brother who was in the UPC 17 years & these 5 years they were not joyful! This other brother it was different for him, however the pastor kicked him out even calling the police on him to escort him out of the church!(August 1987)! It was the Miami Florida UPC church pastored by a Wayne Rooks(1952-1994)! Before Wayne Rooks a man named Geiger was pastor but committed suicide in 1952 by blowing his brains out with a 38 revolver! In 1972 seven men who had gone to various UPC Bible-schools ABI in Minnesota headed by a man named Norris was the main school, wanted to start UPC churches in the Dade county area & brother Rooks along with Bill Connell(Florida state superintendant) did not let any new churches to be stated! In fact in south Florida there were only six churches! Most UPC churches were in central/north & Panhandle Florida! Thy had the Boy-couts but after a year the troop fell apart & I had dreams of being an eagle-scout & no one cared! I got a paper-route for three years to help me from becoming a juvenile-delenquent! Bob my mother was kicked out & my father eventually left though he brought three of his work-friends into the church!
Is there hope for the Oneness Pentecostal? Yes there is. It's CHRIST IN US, the HOPE of Glory!! I'm a former Assemblies of God minister now with the UPCI (since 1993). I have no regrets.
A lesson for everyone. It doesn't matter what kind of experiences you have had in your church. I could go to a UPCI church (and I don't know of any "bad" ones but no church is perfect) and it could be perfect or the people could be mean horrible ect. I could go to a trinity church and the same thing is true. At the end of the day the church doesn't matter as long as gods working there the pastor is preaching the word and your seeking Jesus. At the end of the day it's not about religion it's about having a relationship with God. Now I personally have found that at my apostolic (UPCI) church which has an amazing supportive church family which in the past two weeks I've been taken out to eat by 3 families. Very amazing environment. Jesus should be the center of everything no matter how busy we get Jesus should be the center and we should seek him. UPCI is a great origination that teaches the truth and God has really blessed us. Take a look at the work in the UN UPCI is doing. Revival! I challenge you if your trinity atheist whatever go to an apostolic church and worship God at the beginning listen to the word and seek God at the altar call and you will feel his presence and you will never want to go anywhere else.
What do u think about a pastor getting divorced and remarried . read romans 7 v 1-4
It is obvious from your comments that you are not interested in the truth of the scriptures and anything goes. Truth matters - I recommend that you study the scriptures asking God to give you the correct understanding.
The devil got you chills as well my dear . UPC are DEMONS AND ACCURSED FOR PREACHING ANOTHER GOSPEL
I just graduated from Texas Bible College this past semester (class of 2020) and have heard about those who had been confused to the point of excuses to leave the truth. This saddens me to such an anointed man of God leave the truth. We are in the last days and those who do, and have known the truth are responsible for it. God never lets us go no matter how far we are.
Duet 6:4 and Acts 2:38 is still our battle cry!
Hey brother, I say this in an attitude of constructive criticism, not to break you down but to build you up. I have one (hopefully) thoughtful question:
Who died on the cross?
If Jesus Christ is just a mode of the one eternal God, you have to make the claim that some percentage of God died on the cross. What percentage of God died on the cross?
In addition to this, if you choose to answer with the typical explanation, “The Son of Man died on the cross, but the Son of God ascended to heaven” (Nestorianism) you come into conflict with a LOT of passages stating that both the Son of Man is in heaven, and the Son of God died on the cross.
1 Corinthians 2:8 “Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”
Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:”
Daniel 7:13 “I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.”
Acts 7:55-56 “But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God”
Hebrews 6:6 “
if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance, seeing that they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh and put Him to open shame.”
@@duriuswulkins4324 There is no separating of Jesus. He’s omnipresent. The flesh, the human being spoke out. He was 100% human and divine. I won’t argue because my mistake in the first place was responding to this.
@@josiahdelgadillo2479 That’s great that you affirm the hypostatic union of Christ’s humanity and divinity. I however have a hard time believing that’s actually what you believe.
The implication of it is this: if Jesus is the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit; that means God in totality died on the cross. If the Creator of the universe died on the cross, how did the universe hold together for those three days?
I dont go to church but i see the oneness before i could ever think Jesus is 1/3 of another God
curt eval When did trinitarianism ever teach that Jesus is 1/3 of another God?
share godhood with 2 other persons of the god head you tell me?
curt eval You're the one making the accusation. The burden of proof is on you. When did trinitarianism ever teach that Jesus is 1/3 of another God?
the book God in three presons
curt eval Quote lease? Dr. Beisner does not believe in 3 Gods.
Mark McNeil is now a Roman Catholic professor.
Hard to believe their doctrine is better.
if you believe on the son you have life! all this other doctrine arguments don't mean anything ! just words ! get over it and move on !
Who God has revealed Himself to be and accepting that is critical for your Salvation.
It is actually a simple point and the answer should be obvious to those who have not rejected logic and demonized it as the "wisdom of this world." The word was WITH God in John 1:1-2 and some would try to futilely argue that the Word was with God as a thought, idea, plan or attribute. But the word para in the Greek is also with and not so easily brushed aside. Are you with yourself? Do you share things with yourself? Do you send yourself? They, the Apostolics embrace irrationality. You too?
"And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." John 17:5
So what your saying is that when I read this passage I should see:
"And now, O Jesus, glorify Jesus together with Jesus, with the glory which Jesus had with Jesus before the world was"?
Jesus was always in the mind of God in eternity his. Plan of redemption cross suffering tessurection church age kingdom of God Salvation
@@davidortega357 Acording to John 17:5 Jesus was with the Father from all eternity.
@@October31st1517 John 17:5
Jesus was praying as A Man..
Jesus is talking about the GLORY of crucifixion.. not the divine glory..
This glory has been planned..
(Revelation 13:8)
The lamb died before the world was.’
How come the lamb/Jesus died before the world was?
Its simple, it has not been happened yet..
IT WAS PLANNED in the mind of God
(John 1:1)
The ‘WORD’ is logos in greek means ‘in the mind of God.’
We can see that the glory that Jesus prayed in John 17:5 were shared by him to his disciples (John 17:22)
Therefore it does really mean that this type of glory is the glory of crucifixion because a divine glory cannot be shared (Isaiah 42:8)
In Matthew 17 Jesus transfiguration..
This glory here was the divine glory where Jesus garments became so white and glistering..
The Bible speaks of Jesus being buried, he was resurrected and he was glorified..
Thats what John 17:5 means..
After Jesus Sufferings, after he died, after he was resurrected -
he then ENTERED INTO GLORY (Luke 24:26)
Now, it seems like you were Oneness before and you were deceived again by the Devil believing God has 3 persons which is unbiblical..
Can you answer my question?
Who gave Jesus the divine glory?
And when Jesus was incarnated as a human, did he leave his glory to the father and in time that he is ready, he prayed to the father to give him back the glory to him?
Did he leave his glory to the father?
What verse where I can read that he left his glory to the father when he became a human?
After Jesus prayed in John 17:5, is there
changes in his garments? Does his garments became glistering and white that all the disciples saw that after John chapter 17?
WHAT DO YOU THINK?!
@@guitarpraise6035 you are a heretic
@@guitarpraise6035 jesuit society?
Cont.
Jesus being under subjection to God means just that, that God will be over Christ.
Jesus will not turn into God; they are 2 separate individuals and Jesus will always be God's son.
Blessings
To answer the question " Is there any hope for Pentecostals?"
OF COURSE!!!
We got the ONE REDEEMER!!!
Who is speaking in Isaiah 44:6?
Who is speaking in Revelation 1:8?
now we can look at John 17 in light of the scripture....
As long as they worship The same one God whom Jesus worships, there is hope!
Blessings
Jesus is our only hope. He is our redeemer, our, strength, our righteousness, our right hand.
Jesus says he sits on the throne with his father,not AS his Father, Ronhanish.
The United Pentecostal Church has also grown and evolved a lot over the last few years, and just search "UPC revival" and you will see how hundreds of thousands of people are experiencing revival and changed lives in the ministry of the UPCI. #1godjesus
I haven't seen ANY evidence of a real revival in the upc. If there was they would leave the upc.
(Acts 2:38 KJV) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
If you baptize in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the Holy GHost, the Catholic church says you are part of them. I heard this from a priest on the radio. The Catholic church changed the baptism from Jesus name in 325 A.D. But the Catholic church does not recognize those baptized in Jesus name, only those in the Father,son ,and Holy Ghost. That makes me proud to be baptized in his name. Thank you Jesus!!!!
It depends. There is a difference between (c)atholic and Roman Catholic. Catholic simply means universal. All blood bought Christians belong to the 1 catholic and apostolic church. Insofar as changing the baptismal formula, your assumption has no historical basis. The Didache a historic Christian document around 70 AD had this to say about baptism. " And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before. "
you should read more Church history, and spend less time listening to fairy tales.
October31st1517, you are a Catholic and follow her, and Protestants have no history back to Christ.
You are part of MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (your Protestant hoard).
***** Who then has the truth?
October31st1517 Our FATHER who art in heaven hallowed be they NAME . The Father's NAME is JESUS....Father, nor God is a name...
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I AM!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.” This is a powerful double claim from Jesus: 1st, that He pre-existed His human birth and was actually alive and present (as God) before Abraham; 2nd, that His title was “I AM”, which was the same title used for Jehovah God in Ex.3:14. His listeners again got the point,& picked up stones to execute Him!
We should note that Mr. McNeil has become a vaticanist - a disciple of the pontiff....
Sounds like he really found a lot of truth doesn't it....
Greg Logan how does believing in the אחד nature of G-d (which the Bible teaches) make him a vaticanist?
Michael Caza-Schonberger Great question. First, I am not sure where you are going with the Echad thing - but that is irrelevant to your ultimate question. The answer is simply that Mr. McNeil has formally become a vaticanist - a disciple of the pontiff - as I understand.
Greg Logan אחד how the Bible declares the unity of God (Dt. 6:4). Biblically orthodox non Jewish Christians would use the term Trinity.
Michael Caza-Schonberger The echad would fail miserably to reflect the trinity. Regardless, such a concept - a 3rd/4thC construction based on Hellenistic concepts and lousy exegesis - is not all in view one way or the other in Deut4:6 - it is the furtherthest thought from any Biblical writers mind - most of the Lord Jesus Christ.
This is eternal life that they might know YOU (sng prn) - the ONLY true God - AND (someone other than the ONLY true God - Jesus Christ - whom YOU (the ONLY true God) - have sent.
Greg Logan actually unlearned one the word echad is the plurality of one. Proof, Gen. 2:24 the two shall become one, the word used there is echad. Your claims of the Trinity being Hellenistic is absolutely preposterous, even in Talmud we see debates on whether God is yachid (a singular entity, which is what Judaism believes now because of the teachings of Rambam) or echad (which is what the Bible teaches). You see glimpses of the Triune nature of God all throughout the pages of TaNaKh and the New Testament. Consider this passage and explain to me how Yeshua is the only person of the Godhead:
Hebrews 1:1-4 "At sundry times and in divers manners God spake in the old time to our fathers by the Prophets: in these last days he hath spoken unto us by his Son, Whom he hath made heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds, Who being the brightness of the glory, and the engraved form of his person, and bearing up all things by his mighty word: hath by himself purged our sins: and sitteth at the right hand of the Majesty in the highest places, And is made so much more excellent than the Angels, inasmuch as he hath obtained a more excellent Name than they." (1599 Geneva Bible)
Who's right hand is Yeshua sitting at?
Or what about this one:
Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus when he was baptized, came straight out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and John saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him. And lo, a voice came from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (1599 Geneva Bible)
If Yeshua is the only person of the Godhead, then who was speaking from heaven?
Who was Yeshua praying to, if not to the Father? Was he schizophrenic? He was clearly praying to the Father. Also if He's the only person of the Godhead, then how can you claim to be baptized in the Holy Spirit as well as be the Temple of the Holy Spirit since Yeshua is the only one? We know from Scripture the Holy Spirit is God because of the fact that the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. You really do not have a strong argument. Scripture is clear from Gen. 1-Rev. 22.
@ACallToHoliness I thank you for the kind words. And thank you for giving ALL the glory to God.
Yeah, oneness pentecostals are very well known for their legalism. I'm a guitar player myself. I personally prefer Ibanez. It's great to see aanother axe grinding brother.
I read the comments and I notice how no one deals with what these gentleman just talked about concerning the usage of the Greek word παρά pronounced para, and the Greek word πρός pronounced pros. I checked this out and what this gentleman said is true. There's no way out of it but Oneness Doctrine believers will again find some clever way to EXPLAIN THIS AWAY TOO.
I had been oneness for years, but am soon to get kicked out. I cut my hair off, up to the tops of my shoulders. The uncut hair thing for women is stupid, among other non Bible based standards the UPC came up with.
godsfiddler , is a denier of holiness.Maybe you should read your Bible and see such and quit rebelling as the liberal Trinitarians did many decades ago.
+bob james
Holiness is something within, coming from God, not from ourselves
+bob james hair cutting have nothing to do with holiness or woman in pants man made rules to keep people in chains.We are free in Jesus Christ .
***** You'll be happy to know I converted to paganism, and am free now.
+godsfiddler
Free?
Until you stand before Jesus at the judgement, you mean?
But what we know is by what God reveals. Jesus revealed to us that God was triune. (John 15:26) By telling oneness that they must embrace not only what God but WHO God is, is the most loving thing one can do.
I'd be amazed if God is going ask us if we are Oneness or Trinitarian. Paul would ask us do we have the Holy Ghost and unto what then were we baptised. Whichever we break it down we are to do everything in Jesus name. I don't get into these debates anymore as I think it's all about religious spirits getting us to argue amoungst ourselves. Some time ago God's Glory came down in Houston Texas and revival spread to several churches on the area, some Oneness and some Trinitarian several of them not even Pentecostal.
+Ivor Cash :John 8:24-For if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins
+Galen Ztwo
"I am WHAT" exactly? What is it that we need to believe about Jesus??
That He Is God!
i agree completely.
John 8:24 does not STATE that Jesus is God, though....you have to INSERT "God" there to make it say that!
I grew up Oneness like you, and I do not regret that in any way, but at the same time, if the Trinity people and their doctrine was from hell, then why is it that they too get the Holy Ghost, speak in tongues, and have fruit and gifts of the Spirit? I understand that you won't agree, but you really don't understand what they teach, they don't believe in 3 Gods at all. They're more like you than you think.
Mr. McNeil possibly never had the revelation of the truth in the first place, as such he was always exposed to spiritual danger, sadly which he eventually fell victim to.
YES
I disagree. He said himself that he was trying to explain too much away. Through study God opened his eyes to the fact that God is tripersonal rather than unipersonal.
A divine revelation (an eye opening experience) is not the same as deception, which carries a similar flavour of a divine revelation. That similar flavour is known as an appearance. Now what negates what he thinks is a divine revelation, is that the Father is a unipersonal God, and in fact the only God Jesus served, in keeping with the divine command to serve only one God. For the trinity to stand up, it's adherents has to first admit that their God the Son was a practical monotheist who worshipped only one God, because the only God of their God the Son, is clearly a unipersonal God. Now that is three unipersonal Gods, aren't they. How then can the trinity not be three Gods? Again, Mr. McNeil possibly never had the revelation of the truth, and as such he was exposed to spiritual danger, sadly which he eventually fell victim to.
To all the Trinitarians: No trinity is in God's endless universe, if you please.
dgreenja “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." John 14:23
Who is the WE and the OUR being referred to here?
The we and our are the same one Spirit in the believer, which is the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of the Son. This one Spirit is not a shared Spirit of persons dwelling in the believer. Spirit of the Father relates to his divine power to perform miracles, heal the sick, subdue kingdoms not of God etc, whereas the Spirit of the Son teaches the believer to have a humble Christ-like spirit. The believer has both aspect of the Spirit, but not that the we and our reveal persons of the godhead. The believer has one divine person or being in him, for there is only one Spirit.
The we and our, are the one Comforter, which is that other Comforter Jesus mentioned, even the same Comforter on earth, Jesus, who now dwells as that same Comforter in another form.
dgreenja They are of the Pagan Jesus....Not the real Jesus.
dgreenja [According to Oneness theology]
If the Holy Spirit[the Father] doesn't speak on His own authority but whatever He hears that shall He say, doesn't that make the Father subordinate to the Son?
When you say the Son is God, you simply are saying that the Father is God, so how did God create the worlds through the Son if the Son wasn't there in the beginning?
@kbryant01 So what you're saying is that the word TRIUNE, TRINITY, etc, have to be in the bible in order for the doctrine to be biblical?
WHAT PART OF GOD BECAME FLESH DOESNT THIS GUY UNDERSTAND = ONLY WITH THE TRUE BAPTISM OF THE HOLYGHOST WILL YOU EVER UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS CHRIST IS ALMIGHTYGOD EVERLASTING FATHER AND THE IMAGE OF GOD = THIS MAN NEEDS TO REPENT AND TRULY BE BORN FROM ABOVE AND STOP WRESTLING WITH THE SCRIPTURES UNTO HIS OWN DESTRUCTION = IT IS WRITTEN THE JUST SHALL WALK BY FAITH
Jesus is God. But He is NOT God the father.
October31st1517 , yet the Bible says He is in ISA. 9:6 AND REV. 21:6-7 And the Bible says God is the Father, but you cannot rightly divide the word, because you follow MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (that is your ilk).
***** Who then has the truth?
October31st1517, APOSTOLIC ONENESS PENTECOSTAL CHRISTIANS of Monarchian Monotheist teaching does, on ONE GOD, JESUS NAME BAPTISM, SPIRIT BAPTISM, HOLINESS.
Your church started ca 210 a.d. by one pagan gentile philosopher Tertullian, a excommunicatedfellow and inventor of the Trinity doctrine, word and tritheist doctrine.
BOB JAMES
ONENESS TRUTH, TRINITY HERESY
Board owner and Oneness saint against the trinity lies.
October31st1517, certainly is not you and your ilk with thethree god lie and murder and torture and blood of the saints and others on your itty bitty hands.
Sir, What denomination do you belong to, if I may ask?
@prairiemark Then what do we go to for proper biblical interpretation?
(Isa 9:6 KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
So these are NAMES?
John 20:27-29: Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’" Thomas realized, because of Jesus’ resurrection, who Jesus really was -- and humbly WORSHIPPED HIM and declared His true identity: “My Lord and my GOD!” Jesus not only accepts this declaration, but blesses all of the disciples -- and all of us today -- who come to the same realization and place of humble worship.
What is this trying to refute?
The important thing is that we put God Almighty above all else!
We must absolutely know Him and we must truly know Jesus Christ.
God loves His Son so very much, and we must love him too.
And Jesus loves His Father and his God so very much and did all that he did to bring glory to God, his Father.
We cannot meld Father and Son into 1 being, stripping them each of their personal being.
God sacrificed his own son! And Jesus sacrificed his life for US and his blood TO God, FOR OUR SIN.
Be blessed
Apostles Peter knew Jesus was the Son of the living God.Matt 16:17-17 read
(Isa 9:6 KJV) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Abi ad = my father everlasting . Messiah father is from everlasting . Abi always means my father . Lines up with the Bible perfectly . Of the messiah who says He has a Father and said He had glory with the Father before the world was .
@@melvinburgos9833 right He Jesus is telling you He is Spirit. the Father. because there is only One Spirit and One God. like isaiah 9:6 told you, read it again, it says the Father will become the Son.
@@melvinburgos9833 John 14:21
“He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”
@@ronhanish Jesus was not praying to the air . The Father , Son and Holy Ghost eternally exist , and simultaneously not in different modes. Modalism is a heresy .
The trinity is not Tritheism. Trinity is monotheistic. You just twisted what I just said “abi ad” my father everlasting . The messiah’s Father is FROM EVERLASTING. Jesus own word’s NEVER call Himself the Father . John 5:30-40, John 8:17-18, John 14:16-17, John 15:26. 1 John 1:1-3. It is a direct attack on the doctrine of Christ . 2 John 1:7-11.
@prairiemark What is your final authority on all spiritual matters?
I really praise God. I marvel at how He puts words in my mind when I write text here in this site. I am a timid person sometimes at a lost for words when conversing or writing on different topics.
he prayed while He was in the flesh, because he was not just God as before, but He was a man. a weak man , like us.
He does now continue to pray for us now, not because he is a weak man , but because He is our mediator, and He is our High Priest.
Okay you won the case! May God open your heart and your spiritual eye that you may see the truth.
Thanks for the conversation.
"For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart."
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You apply scripture wrong 🤦♀️
Jesus is all of WHAT God is but He is not of all WHO God is. I'm praying for you. God saved me from Pentecostalism.
John 10:30-33: “‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, CLAIM TO BE GOD’”
It couldn’t be clearer than it is here: Jesus’ highly educated listeners understood His claim of deity.Jesus doesn’t argue with their accusation, because it was accurate
Jesus came in the flesh to do the work of his Father.
All that Jesus did was to glorify his father.
Jesus and his Father are 2 distinct person, they are not the same being~
blessings
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:14
And THE WORD WAS MADe flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
There for Jesus is GOD !!!!! ONE GOD
@lidil100 Why did you remove your post. Hath the triune God of scripture touch your heart?
@October31st1517 I agree one thousand percent. Modalism which was start by sabellian (sp), or modern day oneness is heresy. The trinity was not "invented" at Nicea which is what is suggested by these people. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I use The KJV and NASB.
Why would you suppose that I use the new world translation?
I'm merely telling you the truth.There are flaws in versions and translations whether we like it or not. We can't deny what is fact.
Mtt 28:19 was NOT in early manuscripts but was INSERTED.
The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:
"The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."
Be blessed
when God became flesh, His Spirit was still filling all space as Spirit. that is how the man could feel pain and the need to pray because the man was suffering .he became His own sacrifice.
Trinitarianism teaches that Jesus was YHWH. You then claim "Trinitarians go beyond the personification of Jesus which says that his human spirit form is at the same level of the Eternal human form. Never." What you seem to be speaking of is an ancient heresy called "Nestorianism". You are dividing the natures of Christ. Jesus was the GODMAN. Whatever He did, He did as the GODMAN. You cannot separate His natures from the person.
If he is not 3 separate beings, then please explain how Jesus is WITH his Father now~
Thank you
Sorry if I missed it but when was the questioned previously asked to me? Also I'd like an answer to my previous question: are the persons of the trinity each a separate spirit, or are they each a separate part of one spirit? I'd sincerely like to know a trinity persons point of view (not one of the people of the Godhead trinity, but a human on this board. Thanks! God bless!
I’m thinking he “felt” called to preach... his pastor said no not yet and he got mad and now hates Pentecost
That's what I was thinking 😄
The ex-Oneness guy in the video is now a debater and defender of the Trinity. He debated the Trinity vs Oneness against Steve Mcalip.
Yes he is taking the broad road. Show me where the word trinity is in the Bible.
Mark McNeil is now a Roman Catholic by the way.
Trinity Apologetics Yes, he is. But even Rome with all it's faults does have the doctrine of the Trinity correct.
Trinity Apologetics wow really?! "/
@judgeandthejury14 Which card Sir?
@2222pauline What is the name of the God Jesus is praying to in John 17:5?
I like this guy! What is his name?
Mark Mcneil
@2222pauline I didn't get a video. Send it again.
What does the term Son of God mean?
Truly a Son a God like God called His children to be in the Old Testament and Jesus confirmed in John when talking to the saduccees and pharacees to say they were wrong to say he blaspheme saying he was the Son of God Jesus never claimed to be the Father ever and it was never taught that He was in the first church. He and all that taught, taught Jesus to be the Son of God separate from the Father a man on earth divine in creation and divine now before he comes back to end all these vain debates and arguments. We will walk with Jesus and our Father the one true God will cast His eternal light forever over His Kingdom given to His Son and all His children that come knowing Him through knowing His literal Son Jesus he sent to die for us.
@2222pauline What does any of this AD Hom attacks have anything to do with the subject? This video series is about iwhether the trinity is biblical or not. Can you show me from the bible where 1 God means 1 Person, or in other words that MONOTHEISM is UNITARIANISM? I have yet for any oneness person to meet this challenge.
I went to a Oneness P. church and got blessed by the HS after just two weeks and the members were all mad at me. They are strange people for sure. I think the HS used me as an example..!!!
DouglasUrantia
Why would they be mad?
What was the reason they were mad at you?
which one of ur persons of ur trinity is omniscient?
all 3 of them
or 2 of them
or 1 of them?
Please, where does The Bible say that sonship comes to an end?
Thank you, and blessings
Glory be to God.
You glorify wrong
@2222pauline So John 17:5 should read "And now, O Jesus, glorify Jesus together with Jesus, with the glory which Jesus had with Jesus before the world was." Does that make sense?
There is one thing that is prevelent in the Apostolic Pentecostal Chrurches that I wish practiced more often and taught in other Pentecostal churches.
Spontaneity. They flow in spontaneous preaching, praying, worshiping, and teach being lead by the spirit. Other churches they seem more focused on schedules and times and structures. We should keep schedules,but, we should also allow the Holy Ghost to promt us to do things or say things, or pray spontaneously.
Forgive me, but could you expand on your analogy?
Psalm 139: 6-10 (Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? Or wither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. ) Notice: God's spirit, His presence and His Right Hand- ONE GOD.
In trying to understand the Trinity, I have a simple question.
Are the people of the Trinity separate spirits?
Or are the people of the Trinity each a separate part of one spirit?
Please explain with Scripture. THANKS!!!
Q. What's your opinion?
You seem to ask alot of questions, which is great because people like to listen to themselves talk, but how do you weigh in on the question?
May God bless you and open your mind to know the truth.
Another thought on this debate, If I went to a car salesman wondering if getting a different car was trading up or trading down and all the salesman could do is put my old car down I'd have to wonder if what he wanted me to buy was any good.
How sad. The trinity is not a Biblical reality. It is a lie from the pit of hell. I perceive, brother, that too much learning has made you mad.
What does the word name mean?
I see you're avoiding my question. The word NAME in Greek is ὄνομα( onoma). What does it mean?
Does that in anyway negate the trinity?
@2222pauline Would you be willing to debate me on whether God is 1 person or 3?
Do you believe we will rule with Jesus?
@kbryant01 Great. Can you show me the word BIBLE in the word of God. How about omnipresent, or omniscient? Truly you must agree thaT though these words are non biblical God does have these attributes? Yes or No?
can i get the rest of his verses
Most people believe the same thing, but have different ways of explaining it. When we get to heaven, do you think it's going to matter as salvation?
IM glad u got a good head in ur shoulders. that trinity doctrine has deceived so many from seeing biblical truth
bible says knowledge puffeth up, thats why prayer is important to humble us
I still believe in One God, His name is Jesus Christ. He Operates in different ways but it is the same God that works all in all. I was born again in Jesus name buried with Him through baptism making me a son of God( He is my Father). I am full of Christ's Spirit (Holy Spirit). He has redeemed me with His Blood ( Son of Redemption). Thank you Jesus. It's amazing what you can do. Omnipresent Omnipotent Omniscient Jesus!
Hey brother, I say this in an attitude of constructive criticism, not to break you down but to build you up. I have one (hopefully) thoughtful question:
Who died on the cross?
If Jesus Christ is just a mode of the one eternal God, you have to make the claim that some percentage of God died on the cross. What percentage of God died on the cross?
In addition to this, if you choose to answer with the typical explanation, “The Son of Man died on the cross, but the Son of God ascended to heaven” (Nestorianism) you come into conflict with a LOT of passages stating that both the Son of Man is in heaven, and the Son of God died on the cross.
1 Corinthians 2:8 “Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”
Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:”
Daniel 7:13 “I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.”
Acts 7:55-56 “But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God”
@@duriuswulkins4324 He was fully man , and fully God. Jesus Christ our God.
@@BornAgainMinistryJB If Jesus died on the cross, and Jesus is the Father Son and Holy Spirit; how did the universe exist while God was dead for 3 days?
@@duriuswulkins4324 John 2:19
King James Version
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
👆Jesus raised himself from the dead. If He did that, He can do anything. All things are possible for Him. It just shows how amazing God really is by your question, because God was still control the entire time. :) Does God have any limitations?
Trinitarians might say that God's spirit is the "person" of the Holy Spirit, " and His presence is the "person" of the Father, and His Right Hand is the "person" of the Son. But I don't think that God's presence, spirit and right hand are separate from each other, any more than my spirit, presence and right hand are separate from me. Oneness Pentecostals do not deny the role of the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost, they just believe that they are not separated in any way.
But how did he come to believe in the trinity? By becoming Roman Catholic? Answer this question please.
I agree with your statement and your comments are welcomed, but we will not be discussing wether the Roman Catholic faith is the 1 true church. This video is about the heresy of modalism that has been rejected as heresy by the church fathers..
Both sides of this argument come from mankind aka human beings trying to describe God . It cannot be done. I choose to love both trinitarians and oneness and consider both to be part of the body of Christ. We may disagree but that does not mean we are not brothers and sisters. as to unanswered questions trinitarians cannot answer every question either. Let us love one another for love is of God whether we understand everything about God= we can still love one another I john 4:7-8
Jesus Christ is all of WHAT God is , but He is not all of WHO God is. John 17:5
The question & it's answer that disturbed me as a Trinitarian was why they couldn't baptize the same way as the several examples as found in the book of the acts of the apostles. Why does belief in the Trinitarian dogma require the use of the formula never used in the New Testament & distinctly against the use of the name of Jesus as it teaches & gives examples of.
The origin of the Trinity within Christian circles did start as a "Triad." Theophilus of Antioch wrote in his writings (p.101) of the Ante-Nicene Fathers, that God was a triad or trinity. His formula was that God was "God, Word, and Wisdom." Now where did Theophilus get this idea? The book "Reevaluating the Trinity" reveals exactly where he obtained such a formula. History will not lie as to the origin of an ancient philosophical theory mixed with scripture. Thanks.
Jesus isn't telling us he is The Father, in a tricky way, or any other way, ronhanish.
Jesus tells us The father has SENT him.
Jesus tells us he only does what he sees his father do.
Jesus tells us The father is The one God.
Jesus sits on the throne WITH his Father.
Jesus says God is his Father and his Father is the one true God, and is HIS God,
Many blessings to you
@222erichathy And your evidence for this charge? I would like to know because I became a trinitarian from studying the bible. So again I ask, what is your evidence for this charge?
@8chariotrider Never once did I ask you if YHWH was a singular being. Trinitarianism already affirms that YHWH is 1 being. My question was can you show me that the 1 Being of YHWH is only possessed by one person?