RWBY Volume 9 - A catastrophic mess
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.พ. 2025
- Where to even begin with this mess?! Before this, RWBY has been a good but a flawed show with excellent characters, worldbuilding and plot. Now it seems with; rwby ice queendom, justice league meets team rwby (yes that was a real thing that happened this year) and this alice in wonderland ripoff it's clear the new writers have taken crazy pills.
So quick note on Torchwick's voice. You probably already know this since it's been a year and might've looked up why Torchwick sounds different. So this comment is for anyone else who doesn't know.
Torchwick's Volume 1-3 VA Gray Haddock left RT. So when Torchwick returned in RWBY Ice Queendom, Billy Kametz was cast but he struggled with Colon Cancer and later died of it. As such Billy could not record any voice lines for Torchwick. So the current voice, Christopher Wehkamp, took over since Ice Queendom.
You also forgot how none of her friends ever realized that she was going through serious mental issues as well, ever her own sister. They had almost completely ignored her this whole volume, forcing her more into depression. Isn’t that also character assassination?
Amazed that I missed that. Your right, all her friends should have quickly noticed her depression and I'd also agree that's definitely character assassination. Especially after she blanks out after learning Penny died.
I guess this season was so overflowing with crap that I missed it.
Karma, for what Ruby (and those same friends) did o Ironwood. imho
You know they could have just had Alyx be a reincarnation of Penny, it would make the sword turning into the dagger make sense as foreshadowing. They could have had it that when her body fell into the everafter, while the maiden powers had detached from her body her sould was still tethered just long enough to have Ascension work on her. And have her Ascended form be something meant to help and guide her friends in this strange place. Thats when she took on the form of Alyx or as a part of Alyx where she could leave clues for her friends tl follow. I dunno it would also require a rewrite of Alyx and the story but its an idea
Wtf?
@@Cephlapodninja ???
@@SpectreBagelswow I didn't expect a response it's just what are you saying I don't comprehend.
@@Cephlapodninja uh, I was just giving my own fix or idea for how they could have worked with characters while not adding too much
@@CephlapodninjaTo boil it all down, OP said they should’ve rewrote Alyx to be an ascended Penny instead of _just_ being the Alice of RWBY.
From a story point, it should've been Jaune that drank the tea.
Looks like they all drank the tea.
RWBY writing is worst than kingdom hearts writing.
Full agree.
And it finally paid off.
One of the scenes that bothered me the most and forces me to accept that this is where the story was going is Jaune giving Ruby her weapon and how she reacted to it.
Way back when they met, one of their first interactions was Ruby showing up her weapon. She was a girl two years younger than her peers and had problems socializing before that wich compensate her skill building weapons and fighting.
Ruby, Jaune are dorks and friends and Crescent Rose is a sign of that and by treating it like that I had to accept where they wanted to take the characters.
I agree it would have made so much more sense if this new world was a construction of the relics made so someone could escape the real world and live a fantasy.
It could even be insidious by giving each person what they desire so they don't leave and RWBY and Jaune each accept they need to return to the real world. Like one of the final episodes of Gravity Falls.
Admitedly they have been in the losing side for a while now, always retreating and never really gaining ground on Salem so they would have wanted to stay in a fantasy where they don't have to deal with that.
Like the weird anime dreams but better.
How she reacted to crescent rose baffled me and you're right, her first scene with juane was her showing off her weapon, how proud she was of it. It makes zero sense for her to fear it. Hopefully she can go back to being the competent leader now.
That kind of world would've been far far better. Plus it could really speak for the characters if they use their own individual experiences to reject the dream like desires and escape.
@@dlfarmer7601I think the thing with Crescent Rose was meant to be representative of a trigger, which doesn't make sense since her issue is her failures and responsibility "issues" but none of that has to do with her weapon and it doesn't make sense to have a panic attack at her weapon. It would make more sense for her to have issues revolving around decision making or responsibility. Like being scratching at being made to look after people and maybe saying things about failure. But what they did was conflate issues she didn't have with what they wanted her to have an issue with and it just makes how she acts make no sense. You can't haphazardly mesh different triggers together and pretend they relate. At the very least you need to show and explain how they do if they are so different
@@dlfarmer7601She rejected her weapon because she felt like she doesn't deserve to wield it. It's not her pride and joy, anymore. It's just...a tool. Sure, she still took it with her after she ran away as shown in the next episode. But that was because she still needs something to defend herself with. She'll still use it but it's not special to her anymore. Besides, she's not an idiot.
Personally my biggest problem with that arc is that it felt... fillery. Volume 8 left us on one hell of a cliffhanger, and they just went "and now for something completely different"
24:10 Also, Penny died AFTER Neo fell, and no one talks about Penny’s death when Neo reaches the EverAfter. She shouldn’t know Penny died at all.
Oh yeah, excellent point. Neo has no idea Penny died. Good grief this season is just so unbelievably packed with problems that I missed several.
@@dlfarmer7601You can blame the setbacks caused by the pandemic for that. Although, Neo probably found out by spy on them.
About the next volume, for some reasons my fist tought wasn't Aladdin but Ali Baba.
Mostly because the relics are already genies lamps and to get them back they will need thieves.
But yeah, Aladdin makes total sense.
Also Neo is totally going to show up at some point to help the gang beat Cinder.
I haven't actually seen ali baba and the forty thieves before. Is it worth watching?
Also absolutely, neo is gonna turn up as a different version (still won't talk I bet) and help fight cinder. I even reckon she could die to save ruby as a sort of redemption thing.
@@dlfarmer7601 I believe that there are a few animated versions of Ali Baba and the 40 thieves but they all pale in comparison with Disney's Aladdin.
Ali Baba is one or at least I knew from a version of the 1001 nights where Sherezade escapes death by execution by telling a story to her husband that ends in a cliffhanger and finishing the next night.
Ali Baba, Aladdin and Sinbad are famous in anime thanks to the serie Magi wich was pretty good as shonen series go.
Anyways, as I remember the story Ali Baba spies the thieves entering their lair through a secret door ad overhears the password Open Sesamo.
What with the relics locked behind magic doors and needing to steal the ones Salem has it just jumped to my mind.
I expect that since Jaune and Ruby took so much of the plot this volume, you would focus on people like Emerald, a competent thief who has illusion powers plus a past with Cinder and Winter who swore to make Cinder pay.
Also I fear for Nora. Not much since she is not my favorite but...
Jaune and Ren are supposed to be gendernent Joan of Arc and Mulan while Pyrrha was genderbent Achilles and Nora is Thor.
And, spoiler alert, Thor dies killing a giant snake.
I fear that after the wacky adventures in NotWonderland they would up the drama killing another important character.
@@martinratagris Yeah, that comparison makes sense. I can definetly see emerald doing a lot in the next season, mainly cause vacuo is supposed to be bit of a wild city so a master thief would be effective (it's likely they'll have mercury go against tyrion and help her).
As for who could die the next season, I think you're right that it could be nora (perhaps the snake could be the creation salem makes with the staff or something out've dune)
Also, I'm not sure whether Ironwood is still alive. The city fell and was flooded but then it landed partly in the crater and he was in the heart of it where it's likely the strongest. I can see it going either way to be honest but it would be interesting if he lived and tried to assemble some remnant of his forces. Perhaps he could seriously reflect on what he's done.
@@martinratagris For sure, If there was a V10, they were definitely brining Neo back. And yeah, she will have flipped and would be helping the 'heroes' out. As is usually the case with her type of character in RWBY.
Plus, she will be cheap. No VA needed. And her appearance would be brief and late in the volume.
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It would've been smarter of Neo to keep the Jabberwocky alive, then after faking Ruby out with the tea; she sicks the monster that *prevents* ascension on the girl she wants dead. That way she knows Ruby would be gone for good.
Yeah, that would've been a neat idea. After learning how the world works, her plan could have been to try and use it kill ruby for good. How her plan fails is a different discussion but I would much prefer that plan for her.
32:52-33:00 RWBY&J were probably teleported into the future because of all the different airships and Amity tower having an airship built into it.
Wow I didn't even consider that. That would be so unbelievably disapointing it's possible the writers could do it. Every hundred years for the lamp's questions to reset (not necessarily from when the last one was answered) and salem doesn't need to rush things. But my goodness how disapointing that would be. All the characters outside the everafterland aging for a decade or two skipping over the interesting stuff each of the characters did, we miss the unrest and chaos unfolding in the desert and the world at large (salem being announced to everyone)
@@dlfarmer7601 The writers don't want a branching timeline/timeloop to occur if the main cast were sent backwards in time. Jaune being sent back in time is an exception because it happened in the Ever After and not in Remnant.
I had predicted before V9 came out that by the time R/W/BY+J it will be well after the survivors of Atlas/Mantle are rescued from the desert and brought into Vaccuo.
That the writers would not have Team R/W/BY face the consequences of their decisions or be held accountable by the time they got back to Remnant.
Her parents names are Jimmy and Carmell Vanile, Neos birth name is Trivia Vanille
Good to know. A bit of a shame that it wasn't in the show.
@dlfarmer7601 agreed, neo is my favorite character. I understand why people who ONLY watch the show think she's overrated, but as someone who read her book, she is a better, more fleshed out character than all the main and supporting characters combined. Hell, we even know what her favorite soda is FFS (Dr pipper btws, I'm guessing that's copyright safe Dr Pepper) we know she hates coffee, loves tea, that she's an avid gamer, and much more
@moeheil8839 I've also unfortunately heard people call her overrated as well. It's quite annoying as she has quite a lot of personality even when just citing the show. I've only seen the show (and a bit of RWBY chibi but that really doesn't count) and from that, I can tell exactly what kind of character she is. Neo is incredibly loyal to Torchwick and whenever she carries out her role, she does it in a fun manner. Even something as simple as her twiddling Torchwick's hat when she's releasing him is characterisation. Absolutely despise what they did to her in season 9 as she’s never been portrayed as madly vengeful with nothing beyond that. Before that season she was indeed a strong character. Therefore, I can easily imagine a lot more can be built from that, i.e the books you mentioned.
The people in the portrait are Neos parents and neo as a child, the reason her eyes don't match is because her parents forced her to where a brown contact lense when in public, because they were ashamed of her for being born with heterochromatic eyes and mute that picture is actually identical to the one described in her book RWBY Roman Holiday, in her parents sitting room, a portrait deeply tied to her trauma, insecurity and her abuse by her parents as a child. Neo isn't evil, literally just fell in with the wrong crowd, as Roman, a violent criminal was the one who saved her from her parents, if it was a hunter/huntress that saved her, neo would be a completely different character and likely a huntress herself, as she as a kid, briefly wanted to be one
The writers had no creativity, I agree. I bet more than half of the few actual creativities in RWBY was Monty's idea. Power scaling was also an issue. Or maybe the story was never going to have a happy ending, maybe they were gonna lose.
I feel the series needed a good reboot as it feels like they just made stuff up as they went along
In this season, very much so. Before this not so much.
But but everything was planned since the very beginning!!!! - Crwby and the fandom
@@Nicodiangelo128-r9g Just because the series wasn't planned from the *very* beginning, doesn't mean they made up stuff as they went along. If you have any contradictions or contrivances within the plot of the first eight seasons then I would love to hear them.
@@dlfarmer7601 well the first red flag was when Miles admitted during a commentary video of vol 4 or 5 that they don't have a timeline because they want to avoid plot holes (it still made plot holes). Miles also admitted he "not good remembering important plot points" as if he's incapable of rewatching previous volumes or revisiting Monty's notes
@brookeneeley396 Honestly there were all kinds of nightmares behind the scenes and I can imagine they hadn't planned out the series from the outset and no doubt changes made throughout the process. However, the end result is a very well done plot with a mostly solid cast.
It's definitely not perfect by any means. The battle of Haven was packed with contrivances, the scene where the ace ops leader dies was god awful, Mercery, Emerald and Hazel were blindly naive about Salem and Cinder was immensely 2D (I highlight these in my video on rwby 1 through 8). Do you have any other problems in mind with the series (outside season 9 of course)?
Getting back to the original point. The end result is all that matters, what happened behind the scenes or what the creators said about it doesn't matter. Back to the Future was a nightmare behind the scenes and due to a sudden lack of funding they cancelled their original ending of a nuclear blast sending them back to the future and changed it to a lightning strike (as well as many reshoots and changes during filming, including changing the main actor half way through). Yet the end result was great. Likewise Dr Strange 2 and Ant Man Quantum mania were both written during filming with constant changes and both are abysmal.
Point is, the end result is what matters when judging a series/film and is why I rarely speak on the background.
When did RWBY get new writers? Isn't it the same people?
Now that RWBY is being backed by Viz Media and will return, I can only wonder what will happen. Personally, I'm between nuking the series and rebooting it - or handing it off the new writers who actually know what they're doing. Not continuing it let CRWBY pump out this sludge.
As far as I know, RWBY did not get new writers. Kerry is still in charge. (And according to the Viz website, only he is attached to RWBY for now.)
Viz is just a licensing and distribution company. It is still on Kerry and ..... to find a production house, and some (a lot) money to restart production.
Else, for now it is just a place for the license and V1-9 to live. As well as any other things they come up with like those cheesy slide show animations.
V10 ain't happening anytime soon.
If they never make another season of RWBY, I'd be happy. I'll never know the end of the story, but I'm sure whatever I decide as a good ending will be better than seeing more of this.
Certainly can't blame you.
And there may never a V10.
I forget the volume 9, because I didn't have any hope in the show after the catastrophic mess that is the volume 8, after a really well done vol 7, the vol 8 had only one job, showing our heroes in desperation, fighting for their lives and them finally losing even after all the sacrifices, and what we got, is the freaking characters doing useless things, like drinking tea in a freaking mansion....!
While there are problems with season 8, overall it is a good season. The protagonist group split up doing separate tasks, get the message out and help civilians. These plans change based on changing circumstances but the characters act in a smart way. The drinking tea scene makes sense because they're waiting for Nora to wake up and in such a stressful situation, having one character bring tea for everyone is something normal. They can't do anything else at the time, at least until the power goes off.
Even so, you're definitely sensible to drop it after season 8 as season 9 is truly abysmal.
Yeah and for me, Ever After wasnt even memorable honestly for a fictional Magical World especially with the NPCs and Red Prince & the Curious Cat's riddles mean nothing then there's also the fact Jaune isnt trustworthy in his mental state and unnecessarily bleak & unenjoyable with so many depressing moments, nothing to help balance out.
It is so funny to me that RWBY just seems unkillable
so many shit decisions in the writing department and yet even after the shut down of roosterteeth it just refuses to die
My only guess as to why Warner Bros would still keep it going is only because their DC films are in an equally atrocious state.
Good grief, after this catastrophic season, whatever the hell Ice Queendom was, and the dc crossover films, I have absolutely no hope for the writing to improve.
It was even worse in retrospect.
Mostly as their 'season 10' attempts or clips to gain money clash with one another for what the idea is supposed to be.
1) Vaco sucks. Team RWBY isn't there. Everyone hates them. We make them the bad guys for season 10.
2) Vaco is awesome, everyone is friendly and working together just fine when Team RWBY is there.
Literally feeling like season 9 was to avoid any consequences for the team and still leave that 'Jaune killed Penny' mystery reveal for season 10.
Worst part in my opinion is one very simple thing that could have worked to solve a ton of their problems...
The Freaking Tree Leaves!
1) take it back, burn the damn things, force Salem to confront her issues (what the tree leaves smoke is supposed to cause) and thus Salem loses her immortality as she is supposed to reflect on her actions or have the world blown up!
2) Tree Leaf Tea down her throat!
They literally had an answer to the immortal witch problem that could have been used to in a fight or something to win!
Have team RWBY fight Salem minions as the tree stuff does its magic as everyone is trying to fight out the clock to win.
But nope... Plan idiocy was their only plan!
I know I'm late, but those time fruits(or smth like that, I don't remember) can make situation even better: take them, go back in time to volume 1 or, even dumber, to the moment where Salem isn't immortal or at least isn't Grimm queen and deal with her(kill, send to space(so she will be "eventually stopped thinking")). Or take her here or find in EverAfter something against her immortality (because if I remember right, the Tree created Brothers, so the Tree might have something against their magic) or at least lock her there for all eternity or until she will overthink her mistakes how she was initially supposed to OR until she herself finds some powerful things to carve her way from there and kill Brothers, ruining herself in the world of Her and nothing more or die from Brothers or from their deaths dissolving the magic of her immortality
@@НиколайСтрельский-т7ю Jaune was the only one who ran into the time fruit so not sure after all those years he knew where to find another or how to safely grab one without random time jump.
(also at the time Jaune was a bit 'loony')
As for taking Salem to the EverAfter... Not sure if they can do a repeat, but if they can grab a staff or some magical gizmo that can make the magic gateway thing happen again.
GO FOR IT!
You might not need to even bring Salem there and try throwing her through the portal.
You could just throw one of the relics to that world as it would leave one of three options.
1) Force Salem to go after it and visit Not-Wonderland.
2) Remove the relic from play as Salem due to magical rules or something isn't able to go after it.
3) Salem kicking one of her humans down there and if you get rid of Ember that's the only female who can become a maiden on her team down!
I mean when you play not to win, but to ensure Salem doesn't win... that is actually a viable plan.
I mean if you can kick her down there go for it, but even relic disposal works since your goal is to prevent her from grabbing them.
RT is no more, thus RWBY is dead.
Indeed.
Not as long as the fans keep it alive.
@@professortrickroom3777 Perhaps. But officially, that is another story.
@@professortrickroom3777with what money?
Well that is sad, now there will be no more camp camp :(.
RWBY was a garbage series from the start. It never made sense. The Characters of RWBY are completely one dimensional & badly written. The World Building was a complete dumpster mess. And the Plot was complete trash. The Writers of RWBY have been taking crazy pills since Volume 1.
Could you go into detail with the characters, world and plot as by all accounts seasons 1 through 8 were decently written (with some admittedly low points)
The wide variety of characters were mostly well written. All had clear personalities, strengths and flaws, and of the main cast, only Cinder is one dimensional.
The world isn't complex but it works well. The use of aura and the special abilities is pretty neat and fun. Then the backstory of Salem/Ozpin tied to the creation myth is very well done.
Seasons 1-3 has a tame plot where the characters are having fun in the academy until the fall of beacon. Afterwards it becomes a plot to defend the relics from Salem's forces. There are lowpoints (season 5's end fight and the fight with qrow/tyrian/lucky guy) but on the whole it works well.
This is all to say nothing of the great character designs (which really compliment their personalities) and extraordinarily brilliant choreography which is strongly one of the best in all films and series.
@@dlfarmer7601 Literally every character was badly written and one dimensional. Ironwood was the only character with clear flaws & an interesting personality until Volume 8 ruined him entirely. The Backstory of Salem & Ozpin was completely nonsensical in every single way and made no sense. How Aura works & functions is literally retconned & contradicted every single volume. Semblances are a poorly written mess. The Characters, world & plot of RWBY are garbage from start to finish. You need to raise your non existent standards if you think RWBY has any good writing.
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Ruby Rose up till this Volume has been a happy, peppy go lucky girl who wanted to be a huntress and wanted to help.
The Writers have set up Team RWBY as always being in the fight even when they openly break the law. Team RWBY never has to suffer any consequences for their actions. In fact they are rewarded every time they break the law.
When Team RWBY breaks into Atlas against the law, destroys Atlas Security Robots, get caught by the security officers. Its Ironwood that apologizes to them and the writers say that Ironwood has to gain their trust. Yang doesn't even thank Ironwood for the new arm. Despite the fact that by all logic Ironwood should be putting Team RWBY in a Prison Cell for their crimes. He instead rewards them by making them all hunters & huntresses on the spot. Because Team RWBY never has to suffer any consequences for their actions.
Team RWBY never actually lost anyone. Penny supposedly "dies" then comes back twice.
Summer Rose is a dead meme at this point. Ruby & Yang might remember that their mother "Summer" is dead once every season than magically go back to being happy again.
There is no feeling of tension or stakes in RWBY at this point.
Then Team RWBY continues to make idiotic decisions. Telling Ironwood's secrets to Terrorists. Turning against Ironwood for no reason etc. And when Ironwood calls them out on it. Team RWBY defeats the Team of Elite Huntsmen through an asspull. And Ironwood is made into a cartoon villain.
Then there is Penny who becomes a Maiden through another asspull & retcon.
Ruby so called depression / suffering is a joke. At this point Ruby Rose has so much infinite plot armor and unlimited asspulls. That she doesn't know the meaning of having a hard life. The Audience has no reason to take this seriously.
At no point is Ruby Rose forced to be a leader. At no point was Ruby Rose forced into being a hero. There are several adults who openly tried to help Ruby Rose & give her helpful advice e.g. Qrow, Ozpin, Ironwood. And every single time Ruby Rose ignored the helpful advice she was given. She ignored all of the help that the adults gave her. And she responded by either mocking & belittling them ( Qrow) , accusing them of being traitors & untrustworthy ( Ozpin ), betraying them for no reason, defaming them & selling their secrets out ( Ironwood )
Ruby's so called depression does not make sense. Ruby's Temper Tantrum does not make sense.
Ruby was literally happily drinking tea while there was a grimm invasion going on during Volume 8. Safe to say Ruby Rose doesn't feel pressured to be the hero or leader of the story.
Ruby Rose had infinite plot armor then RWBY Volume 9 had Ruby get constant depression & melodrama out of literally nowhere.
Yes, it is. Prior to this Ruby sometimes got upset about Summer Rose on very rare occasions then she magically got over it quickly.
Ruby was never implied, set up or foreshadowed to be dissatisfied with being team leader or being a huntress prior to Volume 9.
She was constantly happy, preppy and easily excitable for the most part.
And don't try to claim Ruby was putting on a facade. That kind of excuse is nonsense.
It clearly 100% was a last minute decision out of nowhere. The Writers just pretend that they planned it from the start.
It is the result of the criticism of RWBY.
Just like Arthur Watts' random out of nowhere rant towards Cinder in Volume 8. The result of a lot of fan criticism towards Cinder.
Neo's illusion ( Tea Party ) torture of Ruby and most of Volume 9. That is the result of a lot of fan criticism towards Team RWBY & Ruby Rose.
What consequences exactly?
"Oh no, out of nowhere Ruby had a sudden depression that wasn't set up or foreshadowed in the slightest."
Prior to this Ruby sometimes looked upset about her mom then instantly got over it.
Oh? Jaune is crying and babyraging about his imaginary friends. Because he apparently aged like 30 years for some nonsensical reason.
I don't consider those real consequences. It is just contrived & forced melodrama.
They break the law on several occasions. They are rewarded for it and suffer no consequences. They antagonize every adult who has saved their lives & helped them. They are rewarded for it.
They help terrorists & criminals, they just met. They are rewarded for it. They drink tea while Atlas is being attacked by Grimm. They are rewarded for it.
They retcon the rules of a Relic, and asspull a solution to a problem out of their asses after putting in no effort to think or help. They are rewarded for it.
Ozpin was never stated or implied to be immortal. It was only stated that he constantly reincarnates in a constant cycle since RWBY rips off Avatar.
Penny is a robot, yet her "death" is set up as a major tragic event that caused the downfall of Beacon by how many people were upset by her death. Penny was also set up to be unique & special as a human like robot e.g. first robot to have aura. Yet she was asspulled to life multiple times.
Honestly by all means Ruby should be dead at Mount Glenn but due to infinite plot armor. Torchwick leaves Ruby Rose completely free & untied.
Weiss should have been dead after Cinder shot her with an arrow in Volume 5. But again Jaune gets another asspull to bring Weiss back to life.
Cinder should be dead after her aura broken, being dropped from a cliff & frozen by Raven. But Cinder is brought back to life anyway.
Oscar should be dead after he was shot by Ironwood, his aura broken and he was falling to death from over hundreds of feet. Saved by yet another asspull.
Next Yang, Ruby, Weiss, Neo, Blake & Jaune fall to the deaths in the climax of Season 8 into an endless void. Blake clearly mourns Yang's Death.
Yet they are asspulled back to life in Season 9.
Ruby is supposed to ascend after drinking the tea in the Tea Party of Volume 9. But she will likely be saved again by another asspull.
Team RWBY won in Volume 8. They successfully defeated the villains. They successfully evacuated the city. They successfully evacuated the city. They successfully defeated Ironwood and convinced the entire city to be on their side. They literally succeeded in everything they tried with little effort.
Penny only died because of badly written contrivance & melodrama. The Main Characters had a severe case of plot induced idiocy and Jaune killed Penny for no reason.
Beacon was destroyed in Volume 3. That was only real loss the heroes suffered. From then on they had infinite plot armor and unlimited asspulls.
The Heroes literally have infinite plot armor and unlimited asspulls. So they will succeed no after what they do.
Wow this Ruby depression nonsense is entirely pointless. It has no value. There is no real character development here. The tension & stakes in RWBY have always been nonexistent. Ruby cries about supposedly being forced to remain positive and make choices as the leader. But that's laughably inaccurate.
Ruby had the help of several adults from Qrow to Ozpin to Ironwood. Who were perfectly willing to help her & the other children out and take over the position of leader from Ruby. Until Ruby repaid their kindness by screwing all of the adults over and accusing them of selfishness & malice.
While Ruby might have initially "forced" to be the team leader. That certainly wasn't the case after Beacon fell. So Ruby chose to be a team leader on her own.
And then there is the constant asspulls & infinite plot armor that Team RWBY has.
Ruby's temper tantrum and supposed "trauma" has no built up or foreshadowing whatsoever. Ruby is the generic hope bringer & saviour of the series and shows no signs of being depressed or tired of being a huntress whatsoever.
This kind of thing works in other series because of two major reasons.
One the tension / stakes are legitimately high so it is actually believable that the heroes could lose & suffer consequences.
Two The hero was forced into their role of protecting others either by life or death circumstances, revenge quest or chosen one prophecy so it makes sense why they feel tired or exhausted of having to play the hero and keep acting as a leader or saviour because they feel it is their duty.
Three The Series slowly builds up the tension & stakes through high death count, pyrrhic victories where the heroes still suffer consequences even when they win, the heroes losing their loved ones and the ptsd & trauma the hero has endured is shown throughout the entire series, you can slowly see the protagonist slowly becoming more & more cynical until it builds up until it is too much,
RWBY as a Series has none of that. This scene is meaningless. RWBY Volume 9 continues to have no substance at all.
Owari No Seraph, Star Wars & Hero Academia do this kind of subject much better. Even Sword Art Online does this better despite its own flaws.
If anything Team RWBY was the one who dropped the ball. Ozpin did not lie to them. He clearly intended to stop Salem and he intended to help Team RWBY.
At no point does Ozpin lie about his intentions. Ozpin is under literally no obligation to spill his life story to a group of teenagers that he has only spoken too once or twice.
@@dlfarmer7601 Qrow got upset a few times. There are several points where Team RWBY upset & wanted to gave up like they are currently doing now.
How does that in any way justify Ruby constantly belittling and talking down to her Uncle who saved her life multiple times. Then Ruby has the nerve to say that she never needed an adult to come save her and tell her what to do after being saved by adults dozens of times from Volume 4 onwards.
Ironwood helped Team RWBY on several occasions for which he didn't even so much as get a thank you.
And Team RWBY responds by lying to him, publicly defaming his reputation, helping his enemies, spilling Ironwood's secrets to his enemies and villainizing Ironwood to a ridiculous degree.
Team RWBY constantly continued to openly break the law to which they were rewarded for their behaviour & Ironwood was the one who still ended up apologizing to them and supposedly has to regain their trust and not the other way around because.
Team RWBY is never held accountable for their actions. Everyone who disagrees with them is demonized or character assassinated by the writers. The plot literally delivering gut shots onto any good guys who disagree with Team RWBY.
And what was Team RWBY's plan exactly? Oh right they just continued to follow Ozpin's plan because they didn't have any plans of their own. Ozpin has far more information, experience & knowledge than anyone else. Whether Ozpin had a way to defeat immortality or not. His intentions and what he set out to do was completely honest.
Ozpin clearly intended to stop Salem. Whether he has a foolproof plan to stop immortality or not doesn't change that fact.
Nope. Ruby Rose quickly got over the Hound grimm. She barely cared. She quickly went back to being happy go lucky. That's a laughable excuse for PTSD.
That just proves my point. Team RWBY shouldn't be allowed to go free at all. They openly broke the law and suffered zero consequences for it. That is called bad writing & plot armor.
Team RWBY stole an airship for no reason. They had plenty of choices and they chose the dumbest one. They could have just had Weiss go alone and explain the situation to Ironwood. But instead they chose to openly break the law because they couldn't all go to Atlas together if they actually followed the law. There was literally no rush. They spent most of the Volume messing around and acting like complete clowns. So you can't try to claim that they were on a time limit. They just chose the dumbest and most nonsensical option.
Then Ironwood was betrayed by all of his subordinates. Ironwood defamed and treated as a tyrant by the writers. Ironwood was openly demonized by the writers to try make Team RWBY look better. So no, Ironwood only declares a warrant for Team RWBY's arrest at the end of the volume & after they disagree with him only evacuating part of the citizens. Ironwood is publicly defamed afterwards. So its clear RWBY always got away with their actions and suffered zero consequences.
Team RWBY should have to follow the law like everyone else. There is literally no reason why they should be getting special treatment. And so far because Team RWBY's actions. Several Kingdoms are in far worse condition than would have been otherwise. So don't try to pull they are fighting for the countries excuse.
No one cares about RWBY red shirts with only a single scene of screentime. Name an actual important character who died that was close to Team RWBY. Not a random red shirt. And no, Penny does not count. Penny is a poorly written plot device that has died about three times then been brought back to life at least twice in the most nonsensical way possible.
Pyrrha is the only "major" character who died. And she was a one dimensional plot device written into the series to die anyway.
Qrow was saved in Volume 4 by an asspull. The helicopter that came out of nowhere makes no sense. That is example of plot armor.
Weiss was saved by an asspull from Jaune. Meanwhile Cinder didn't kill Ruby despite having a clear shot because of bad writing & plot armor.
Blake's story arc in Volume 4 is completely bad written garbage. Blake & Sun had infinite plot armor the entire time.
You mean the same cult that got taken out by silverware from Blake's Mom. Another example of the massive plot armor levels in RWBY.
Oh wow Ruby's asspull Silver Eyes ability saved the day again when it was convenient. You are just naming examples of more asspulls & plot armor moments.
Summer Rose is a dead meme at this point. Summer Rose is barely brought up at all. Ruby & Yang sometimes mention her rarely than go back to being happy go lucky. We are never shown Ruby & Yang actually mourning her. We are never shown what Summer Rose was like or Summer's relationship with Ruby & Yang.
One in the first place, Ruby & Yang barely show any grief or emotions towards Summer in the first place.
Two Summer is a poorly written plot device in a badly written cartoon. Summer is rarely brought up at all. Comparing that to the death of an actual dead relative in real life is nonsensical.
Three we know nothing about Summer or her relationship with her children or her relationship with her husband
Four Oh no, Salem showed a Silver Eyes Warrior being a grimm. Ruby quickly got over it anyway and went back to being happy go lucky in Volume 8. You act like this is some major traumazing moment for Ruby Rose. But she only gets depressed for a couple of minutes. Then she goes right back to being a generic happy go lucky hero. By the next episode Ruby back to being completely happy and not mentioning Summer at all. Why is anyone supposed to care.
It is nonsensical to compare this to a real life person suffering trauma from a family member dying and seeing the murderer. Your comments is extremely belittling of actual real life PTSD & Trauma. Because you are desperate to defend a badly written cartoon.
If your excuse they are the main characters so they can't die. That is your only defence. Then you are completely wrong. Nope. That isn't "main character law". In several anime series e.g. Akame Ga Kill, Attack on Titan, Grave of the Fireflies, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure : Phantom Blood, Banana Fish, Chrono Crusade, Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans, Terror in Resonance, Devilman Crybaby, Death Note, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Clanned : After Story, Cyberpunk : Edgerunners, Figure 17,
There weren't any stakes. Qrow is saved from the poison through an asspull. Pyrrha is the only important RWBY Character to have actually died and stayed dead. And Pyrrha had pretty much was set up to die from the start by the writers. Winter was always going to survive because Winter has plot armor. So no, there was no stakes.
One Robyn doesn't stop being a criminal or attacking Atlas Officers anyway.
Two Yang & Blake's actual reasoning is that they don't trust Ironwood & they want to help the terrorists because they apparently think the Terrorists are in the right. They didn't do this to help Ironwood or make the Terrorists stop.
One The Ace Ops only trained Team RWBY for a week
Two the so called training was just sparring matches & Ruby Rose sometimes running around.
Three Team RWBY literally didn't change at all from the training. They didn't make significant improvements.
Four Ace Ops acted incredibly dumb during the fight. Marrow could have used his freezing power to capture Team RWBY from the start but he doesn't. When they have Blake captured. They let her go.
Even the writers know that Team RWBY beat the Ace Ops through an asspull. Because they keep desperately making up different excuses. First the writers try to claim that Team RWBY had better teamwork then the writers claim that the Ace Ops were just holding back during the fight.
One its established that the Maiden Powers can only go to young female human. That is established & stated during Volume 3. Meaning that Robots cannot have Maiden Powers. And no, even if you want to use Penny's Aura as an excuse. Penny has the aura of a male.
@DragonKingMadaraUchiha Was this lazily written by chatGPT by any chance as there are many many repetitions, things I specifically said in this video and blatant errors about the events throughout.
21:44 thats one of my favorate scenes the dialog the framing and the song if you know the song full it hita even harder man vol 9 realy ruined it
Absolutely agree. That scene really shows how caring and inspirational ruby is and in this season it is completely forgotten.
@@dlfarmer7601 vol 9 doent feel like a rwby season it feels like a diffrent show
you and JudgmentalCritter need to collab lmao i love this
I'll check out their channel.
there's nothing really wrong with introducing newer, won't be used again characters to show how the character's are feeling. If you thought that new character was going to be something then your wrong and for the sake of the story it is alright. As we learn more about Ruby's low hope and after seeing many of her L's throughout the show we are supposed to understand her; the characters that force that expression just dumb it down to fully set the tone
I'm sorry but what? When did I say using new characters to show how the characters are feeling is bad. Where does that appear in the video? What character are you referring to?
I did not argue that Ruby should be happy all the time and not be depressed. I argued shouting with her friends, being bitter, rejecting her weapon, not fighting to save her friends and above all, committing suicide is against her character. Ruby would not do that.
Minor point but "fully set the tone"? The tone constantly flops between cartoonishly absurd to horrifically depressing. The tone of this mess was truly abysmal.
@@dlfarmer7601 yeah in another comment i said the vol 9 was terrible, it was dragged out and did too much. It was supposed to be a season of character depth for the final last few seasons in head for RWBY
i'll do timestamps but u mostly portrayed that idea as bad gimme one sec baby girl
@@dlfarmer7601 6:16 10:30 these scenes where made to foreshadow to upcoming event of Ruby committing one dangerous of a hell act to herself, wasn't executed good at all but with past seasons of us seeing Ruby losing and digressing constantly because she's still just a teenager with no one to really hold her hand through the series this was supposed to be the season where she changes before the endgame but they made it shit
@PrincessTokn Ah okay now I understand. Perhaps I could've have worded it better but my point was this is a really terrible way to write character arcs. There was not a shred of subtlety and the powers of the racoon and caterpillar was specifically made for these scenes. It came across as the writers directly telling the audience what our protagonists are feeling. The Racoon essentially says ruby lost all hope and Yang is thinking about her love for Blake while the caterpillar has each of the protagonists confront a mirror version of themselves with Ruby failing. This is perhaps the bluntest method of portraying character arcs outside of the protagonists saying it themselves.
I would agree that the idea of introducing a character solely to show the audience how the protagonist is feeling isn't bad by itself. It entirely relies on how it's done. If it fits with the world's rules (or believable for the character to be there) and how natural it is for the protagonist's feelings to be brought up. The world is so unbelievably broken in season 9 that nothing comes across as believable and with how contrived the scenes were nothing about them came across as natural. The racoon randomly auctioning something precious to Ruby (or at least was supposed to be) for "enough hope to fill this jar". That was a bad scene. The protagonists following the caterpillar into his home to have magic smoke blown into their faces so as to confront them with mirror versions of themselves isn't a natural cause and effect.
As for the arc they put Ruby on, it is exceptionally terrible. While I agree it was executed very poorly, the idea itself, of having ruby of all people be so depressed and disheartened that she kills herself is absurd. She has been through many many hardships and has confidently led people time and time again. Everything she does in this season is entirely opposed to her character.
Just fucking give us the series finale and *_LET IT DIE!_*
Or perhaps remake the ninth season and then do a follow up season (not that they will considering the mess behind the scenes).
@@dlfarmer7601 If that's the case, they should just remake the show from V3 or V4.
There is a lot of issues that helped create the mess in writing for the later volumes.
Also, they can't afford it currently.
@DocMicrowave There are quite a few issues with volume 5 (particularly with the fight with lionheart) but I'm curious what problems you're referring to as volumes 6, 7 and 8 are overall very good.
@@dlfarmer7601 Ooo you don't want to fully open that door. I have quite the laundry list. And it isn't clean.
But to quickly sum up:
- To be honest with you, on rewatch I have come to accept some of V5 as ok. Shocking as it may. It was about 50/50 on hits and misses. I started ranking volumes by the ratio of hits vs misses per volume. (imo of course). And despite the terrible ending arc (fight with Leo), I appreciated some of the character and world building that took place earlier in the volume.
- V6, first half I thought was probably the best writing since V3. I quite enjoyed it. But then the second half happened. Starting a decline in the writing that only accelerated after that. It began the era of Team R/W/BY as always right, righteous and wise, despite their very grievous errors. Starting with the Argus arc. Maybe 55/45% on hits/misses.
- V7 really began the death spiral as logic went out the window. Replaced with Lore bending/breaking, character switchups. All meant to force through narratives. What I call "they were there, now they are here" situations and depictions when the writers know they had no way to explain the journey. Fanservicy scenes meant to pander to parts of the fandom, resulting in cringy and nonsensical depictions and actions. And yes, I am in the "What the did to Ironwood was a crime" camp. The volume had a lot more misses than hits.
- V8 was more of the same, on steroids.
It had almost no hits. (Except for the one scene of Watts calling out Cinder. That was mildly entertaining to see.).
- V9 was mainly filler. Did little to nothing to progress the main story. With the only goal seeming to be fanservice and flipping Neo. Most everything was reset by the end of the volume. Even though the volume was cut short by a couple of chapters because CRWBY ran out of money, I doubt the missing chapters would have made a difference. Again, more misses than hits. Despite being visually interesting.
At the end of the day, I blame the writers for dropping the ball and going for the low hanging fruit.
imho of course.
(I really tried to make it short.)
What were these writers smoking?
What ever it was, they need to get their money back.
You know what really confused me the most was when Neo was shocked at the fact she gave Ruby tea. I have no understanding why she was distraught about that since she’s been wanting to kill ruby this entire season.
It’s like the more you think about the characters logic the more brain cells off themselves because they can’t comprehend the incomprehensible character writing.
Hmm true... But sometimes things like that do happen. Like i crave to buy this game and once i got it... Poof disappointed... Maybe something like that happened to neo?
Agreed. The writers tried to paint it as this revenge was neo's sole purpose in life and having it end made her realise she has nothing left but that is such hollow character writing. If anything when she completed her goal, one of two things would happen (it's unlikely she would've regretted it):
- she could've felt elated, or at peace with herself as she finally completed her goal and avenged torchwick. She likely would've ventured out to explore more for herself or what she wants.
- she could've realised that it doesn't bring her peace as torchwick is still dead. In this case she would've felt sad or lost. In this case, she would've cried horribly as she would be confronted with torchwicks being gone and unable to come back. Afterwards she could either properly mourn him or moved on and done something on her own.
She wouldn't simply give up as she lost her purpose in life. Kinda reminds me of star wars prequels when padme died cause she "lost the will to live".
She more lusted at the thought of killing Ruby, once that was done and settled what is Neo anymore? She can't be the person who wants to kill Ruby, she's gone. She has nothing going for herself, as a person overall. With the fact she has no voice, it allows for visual communication much more.
Don't think too much how Neo was handled. The primary goal was to eventually flip Neo. Something I predicted right after V8 ended.
It looks like JellicoApocolyspe's "This is RWBY" prediction that Neo would be ruined was accurate.
This is a very interesting review. From what it appears, you believe RWBY was a good show overall before Volume 9, but then Volume 9 came in and damaged, if not destroyed, what came before. At least, that is what appears to be being said. RWBY was a sound show before Volume 9 broke the series like a hammer to glass.
There are a few things you did overlook or miss in my opinion, that could've strengthened your conclusion, but you're also the first one that I've heard say that Volume 9 of RWBY should be, in large part, ignored and irrelevant. Or you are the first person I've seen say that in a video format.
And this is interesting because you're probably not the only one to have such a viewpoint. I've watched plenty of critics and defenders of RWBY, and Volume 9. I don't consider Volume 9 to be filler like most. I consider it to be a gaping hole that contraducts itself and even previous canon to a destructive degree. So much so that Volume 10 is in a position of being extremely damned if it does anything. I've come away from Volume 9 with the thought process that Volume 10 has almost no option to continue the series without messing with the lore further similar to Volume 9, or retconning Volume 9 and proving Volume 9 is a waste.
I've heard a lot of criticisms and defenses. Some more bizarre than others, especially on the defense side of the arguments. But it's definitely the first I've heard someone say, and promote the idea, that Volume 9 can be skipped over, or what many refer to as "Volume 9 is filler."
I wholeheartedly believe Rwby was a good show (not great as it has several large flaws) before volume 9. Everything in that series is absolutely terrible.
Whoever's writing volume 10 is gonna have a very hard time ignoring what happened here. Best case scenario is they retcon a lot of it or simply ignore it, i.e. pretend it doesnt exist (best example would be midichlorians from star wars). There's still massive plot holes and horrible character choices but if they're ignored then it can at least be isolated to this season. Then again I could believe these writers doing something just as stupid for these season. Honestly heard someone suggest the team would arrive in that desert city several years later, skipping over all the chaos of the refugees' arrival, character development, and even humanity's reaction to salem.
@@dlfarmer7601 If the writers do have a time skip, then it will probably be considered a lazy approach. It will also bring up questions that the show would have to answer regardless of how long the time skip is. The longer the time skip, the more answers that may be needed. Then again, the writers also have caused serious damage to the timeline of Remnant because we don't have one for the main series. Not to mention Jaune's time travel messes with a lot as well. Time has also been a problem RWBY has suffered with because it seems to never use it properly, or have enough time to do what it wants or needs to do, or the writers cut themselves short.
In regards to the debate surrounding Volume 9, I've seen two dominant positions of discussion pop up. One position being the Volume 9 is filller, or will possibly be irrelevant, while the other position is that Volume 9 does matter and is not filler. A video by Blizzic called "Why 'Filler' is a Bad Criticism" argues that Volume 9 matters and should matter because it has progressed the characters while also exploring the concepts of RWBY and its tales and myths. Your video argues that Volume 9 destroys a lot of what came before, but because it ends on a reset, the series should pretend that Volume 9 didn't happen, and that the series could be better if it does ignore Volime 9. Both of you seem to agree separately in your videos that RWBY is overall good, but it seems Volume 9 is where you differ because of what it does to the characters, and how it functions as a story.
I come from a position that RWBY has been bad throughout. I like the show, its world, its concepts, and some of its characters, that Volume 1-3 and 4-9 have their own strengths and weaknesses, but that the series as a whole is bad due to the poor execution of the story overall. My position on Volume 9 is that it's contradictory not only to the past volumes, especially volume 8, but it also contradicts itself because both the themes it has cannot be right based on how Volume 9 presents its themes in the narrative it presents. I also think Volume 9 is a mess because it tries to twist the ending of Volume 8 by saying that the heroes are good enough, but then if they were good enough, how could Volume 9 exist? If our heroes were good enough, they would've won in Volume 8 and they wouldn't have fallen into the Ever After. I also believe Volume 9 highlights many of the issues that exist within RWBY overall, but then adds other issues that damage prior volumes, character progression and even damage the overall story. Volume 9 tries to act as a retcon, but in the process, it attempts to retcon what allowed it to exist in the first place, which is the ending of Volume 8. It also makes other questionable character decisions as well. Some you highlighted, some you didn't.
In regards to Volume 10, it has a few options. None of which are relatively good because it's going to damage RWBY no matter the option they pick for Volume 10 to continue from. Volume 9 is something that cannot be ignored because if it is, then it damages the story by making it seem as if we skipped a lot of character development off screen. And not all of Volume 9's issue can be isolated because some create issues in the world of Remnant overall, and if they were, that would create new problems as a result. If Volume 9 isn't ignored, then the damage done to the world and characters in Volume 9, as well as the time space continium of Remnant overall, damages the story.
@@Number1Rival
Long time no talk. And I also got a reply, from a fanboy.
"Name 5 plotholes lol. There are very, very, VERY few genuine plotholes in RWBY and most of them are in Volumes 1-2 which weren't all too well written.
Also no character assassinations. I know you're referring to Ironwood and I'm telling you right now that he's always been that way. He's always been someone willing to sacrifice whatever it takes to save people. He shoots Councilman Sleet because Sleet is, from Ironwood's perspective, trying to stop him from saving Atlas. Due to his extreme paranoia and the need to instill fear in the council so that no one opposes him, Ironwood shoots him.
It's all in the name of saving who he thinks he can save. His main goal never changes, it's always to save people.
Bombing Mantle is also in the name of saving who he thinks can be saved. He thinks Mantle is a lost cause. He needs Penny, the Winter Maiden, in order to get Atlas into the upper atmosphere. By threatening Mantle, the place he thinks is doomed already, he can get Team RWBY to hand over Penny, allowing him to finally raise Atlas into the atmosphere.
None of that is character assassination. It's entirely faithful to his character. All he wanted to do was save people, but he shuts down his emotions in order to not hamper his strategy and ends up committing terrible acts.
There is no pandering. I assume you're referring to Bumbleby, which was planned from the start. Not pandering if it's planned from the start.
None of the "flaws" you've outlined exist."
@@KritoSkywaker I think I would need to see the full conversation to get the full idea of what was said, just to be fair to both you and the fanboy, although it does sound like they're trying to make it impossible for you to even have a conversation, because it seems like nothing will be valid in their eye in regards to what the discussion is focused on. I've been watching a conversation happening between Xelwriter and a newer commenter on Xel's Robyn video with a similar problem, and I'm also getting a headache from watching Xel resorting to some personal character attacks on the other commenter while trying to avoid anything they can't disprove. Also, it's the first time I've seen Xel swear, which is surprising considering Xel's approach to voicing his opinions in a rather polite mannerr within his videos.
On another note, at least I've finally started reading the manga for World Trigger. Maybe it will give me better insight into powerscaling, so I can start getting another view on powerscaling rather than my somewhat simplistic "rock, paper, scissors" viewpoint I have.
9 months late...
Good points made by all.
If i may ad my 3 cents.
On V9, I do consider it filler. It does not advance the main story. And everything was pretty much reset by the end. The only 2 items that came to fruition was the flipping and redemption of Neo. And the advancement of BB. Items i predicted not long after V8 ended.
The only thing that surprised me was that they made an entire volume out of the EA arc. I thought it would be 4 or 5 episodes tops, and then move on.
Of course since V9 had ended, it was revealed that it had been condensed, rewritten with two chapters cut because RT/CRWBY ran out of money. So the real ending was not even the intended ending. Likely closer to what I had predicted, that Raven would use her portals to get the team out of the EA.
On plot holes. There have been quite a few. I attribute them to lazy writing, or just plain skipping details when there is no real way to explain or depict something. Here go 5 more recent plot holes.
- How did Cinder and Neo get into locked down Atlas/Mantle. Just disguising an Airship makes no sense. Would not work.
- How did Neo and Cinder traverse the City and make it all the way into Atlas academy undetected. Again, Neo's semblance is not enough of an excuse.
- After being dropped off in the middle of a Grimm filled raging battle field, the next scene has JRY all the way in Monstro, not a scratch. How did they get through the battlefield. How did they get inside? Ren's semblance is no excuse. This plot hole even gave 'Murder Of Birds' pause.
- What happened to all the other people who fell into the abyss? Why didn't they appear in the EA? Even if dead as some tried to excuse, where are the bodies?
Even CRWBY couldn't come up with a viable excuse when asked publicly. Their only response was that they won't be there. They wanted to focus on the girls and they journey.
- How did JRYE survive that ground Zero blast in Monstro? Apparently completely unscathed, and where able to escape quickly.
There are a few other examples but there you go, five. At least in my opinion.
On power scaling. It was very evident after V5. And became annoyingly blatant after V6. Power scaling in my view encompasses not just strength, but skill, intelligence. Characters where scaled unrealistically (as established lore and history goes) up and down as needed to force the outcome of a fight.
Two many instances to name, but the most glaring ones to me were the AsOps v R/W/BY fights, and the Penny v Cinder fights, Oscar sucker punching Neo, and Ruby's Silver eyes.
The pander was strong after V6. To the point of creating some cringy nonsensical as well as power scaled action scenes. First with BB, then followed by Qrow/Clover.
(CRWBY actually got burned by some of the more rabid fans in the fandom after Clover died. CRWBY learned a hard lesson.)
And no, in my opinion a suggestion for BB when the show started by some sub members on the production team (if true) does not equate to 'it was planned from the beginning'. If the creator for the series was against the idea and knocked it down, It was Not planned from the beginning, imo. The fact that they decided do BB sometime AFTER the creator passed away is a different story.
CRWBY though it would score them coolness points with the fandom. They were wrong. Instead it fractured the fandom. And not completely because of the ship, but the way it was executed, as well as the damaging impact it had on the writing.
Frankly, it's cringy and telling, that certain members of CRWBY feel a need in the last year or two to have whole podcasts on the subject trying to validate the BB ship. Especially when they knew the show was in decline. You'd think they have bigger fish to fry.
On Ironwood. Just my opinion. He was character assassinated. I have a lot of background opinion on this. But this post is already far too long. But to sum up, his heel turn was very much forced in order to give team R/W/BY a more righteous shine as the "Fight the Power".
I will throw in this one tidbit because it was mentioned. Ironwood shooting Sleet in the very first episodes was done for the sole reason of trying to put a hard stop on sympathy for Ironwood's position that had grown in the fandom over the summer.
It was totally unnecessary.
Why do I say that? Because it served no purpose (than what i just stated). he could have had Sleet and Camilla imprisoned if he wanted them out of the way.
Plus, why shoot Sleet only! Camilla was standing right next to him and was just as loud. Why leave a witness alive?
Answer, CRWBY trying to be PC in their depictions. Not to mention keeping the female body count to an absolute minimum.
To sum up. The show is not perfect. Never was. But it was quite engaging and entertaining in the earlier volumes. That is how most of us here got hooked on the show. It seemed unique in style. Different. Fun.
But it has been on the decline ever since.
It stopped winning awards after V4, which says something.
V9 was only marginally better than V7. And I consider V7 the second worst volume. First prize for worst volume goes to V8.
I agree, V10 if it was ever made, would be a mess. Especially now after they have released conflicting bits of lore in the V9 outtakes and RWBY beyond.
And the writers did do a time skip. Something I also predicted after V8. There was no way the writers were going to have team R/W/BY face the results of their actions. Or be held accountable. That they would pop back into the would at some point after the survivors make it into Vaccuo.
I had even joked at the time that the writers would probably have Team R/W/BY celebrated as heroes when they get back.
Sure enough, that actually happens in the RWBY Beyond series! Go figure. The writing had become so predictable.
This whole comment is of course, just my opinion.
Codos to you if you read this far.
The Only Thing I Liked was Neo Torturing Ruby,
But I Had Better Ideas than Just,
"Ruby Gets Tortured untill She Mentally Gives Up.
You liked that scene?
I'm glad you have better ideas than the piss poor one we got but I'm almost fascinated by your comment. Was it the concept itself; you wanted Ruby to be tortured? If so why?
@@dlfarmer7601 Well Despite Having The Title "hero"
She wasn't Good at Earning That Title.
Like With Theodore,
Yes He's a Coward, But He was Not Only At The Mercy of Salem,
But Imagine The amount of Fear with That,
While Also Trying To Manage a School For Mercenaries.
I Would Have Him Fight Ruby alongside Emerald's Horrific Copy of Salem,
In Haven Academy,
Theodore Would Tell Ruby How He Died, The Terror Of Salem,
The Terror Of Betraying his Friends,
The Horror of Being Left Behind,
His Corpse Being Used as Weapon By The Salem Copy.
With Ironwood,
She And her Friends Broke The Trust That They Had with Ironwood,
Then Became Hypocrites as They Blame Ironwood For Not Trusting Them afterwards.
They Pushed him over That Edge.
I Would Have Him and Ruby in a Flooded Version of the Atlas Academy arena where Ironwood Fought Watts.
And Yet Ironwood is Covered in Flames From Burning in The Fire That Cinder Created.
Ironwood Would Call Ruby out on The BS he had to Go through The Logical Errors That was Made By Her.
And Both Burn and Freeze at The Same Time.
Penny...
Ruby was one of Penny's ONLY True friends,
And Despite this, Penny Died as A robot,
Then was Rebuilt, Became human,
Then DIED a Second Time,
And Ruby Couldn't Save Her.
I would Have Her Switch Between Both areas where Penny Died.
Fake Penny in Volume Three Would Call Ruby Her Best Friend and Fight her,
Playing with Ruby as if The Fight was a Game.
Flash Back and Forth from That To the Time and Place Where Jaune Kills Her, for the second Time.
Fake Penny02 would Fight With The Furoscity of Someone in Pain from Dying Twice,
Fighting Ruby With the Power of a Pissed off Winter Maiden.
With Pyrrha, it's as She Said herself,
She Sacrifices herself so That her Friends Can Live.
And She's Trained Her Whole Life for That.
I would Have Ruby Fight in a Montage of all The Arenas that Pyrrha Has fought in,
Ending in The Fight that Pyrrha got Killed.
With Clover,
Of it Hadn't Been for Qrow's Bad Luck, Then He'd Still Be Alive.
I would have Ruby Be Caught By Clover's Fishing Rod,
And Reel her into The Next Area,
Blaming Ruby For Bringing Qrow and His Bad Luck Semblance as Clover Does This.
Clover Reels Ruby into his Chest,
Where Qrow's Sword Piercing Through the Chest, via A Mad Tyrian Laughing his Head off as he Does it,
And Clover's Laughing with him
Ozpin is One Manipulative old Man, Sure.
But Ruby, After Knowing This Continues.
Let's Ozpin Do Stuff Like Slowly Take over a Child's Brain.
I Would Have Ruby Be in The Room Where She First Met Ozpin,
But Instead of Offering Cookies,
Ozpin is There, Beating Ruby With a Kane,
Telling Her That The Only Reason He Had Ruby Join Beacon,
was Because of Her Silver eyes.
Telling Ruby That's She's Not Made out to Save Anyone.
After about 30 Hits with The Kane, Ozpin Leaves, Saying He's Disappointed.
Ruby's Alone in The Darkness,
Bare
I
Lying on The Floor, Almost Broken,
Then Ruby Sees Herself from Volume 1,
V1 Ruby Tells Her to Get Up and Be a Hero,
And Fight,
V9 Ruby Can Barely Keep up with her Past Self,
As V1 Mocks and her Like a Child,
Playing Make-Believe, as the Fight Goes From the Volume 1 Dust Robbery, To the Forest from The RED Trailer.
And Volume 1 Ruby Wins.
But Before Ruby Falls, Her aura Shattered,
Roman Torchwick Grabs Ruby by The Hand,
The Scene Turns to When Roman Died,
He goes " Been Waiting For a Long For Time for This"
And Lets Go of Ruby who Then Gets Swallowed By The Bird Grimm That once ate Roman.
In The Darkness, Ruby Starts Drowning in The Tea That Neo Wanted her to Drink to Descend.
(Bit Dark, but it's a Dark Scene,
Like When Luke Told Yoda he's Not Scared,
Then Yoda says simply " You Will Be"
And if She Has to Stop and Think about it,
Then She will Fall and Cry about it.
@@PositiveNihilism. Apologies for the late reply, been hectically busy on my end. Anyway…
Ruby never had an official title of hero, she became the leader of her team and later became the sortof leader of the whole group (along with Juanne). She has many heroic traits and has consistently tried (and several times succeeded) to save people so I’d happily call her a hero.
Your ideas are certainly a lot better than what we got as these ideas actually involve utilising these different perspectives to challenge ruby in different ways. However, like the scene we got, it raises the question of how neo could possibly know any of this. I’m certain she has never met any of these people (with general ironwood and Penny only in passing) so she would never possibly know what relationship they had of Ruby.
Now the fun bit, your alternative scenes with reference to the fact this is neo’s attempt to discourage/break Ruby. For each one this is where I would have ruby strongly argue against each point (if we are keeping this god awful season) as that would reflect what she thinks of each person/decision.
I assume you meant Lionheart than Theadore. Anyway, I like the setup of your scene - showcasing the fear he felt along with his depiction of Salem - but I would probably include him arguing exactly where has Ruby’s courage has lead to, perhaps even suggesting submitting would lead to less loss/pain. Ruby could argue back to submit is to allow Salem to spread misery everywhere to everyone. She must continue to fight against all who cause evil.
This neatly leads to Ironwood who could argue something like “and if your actions cause more evil?” I agree Ironwood would try to argue ruby’s plan was flawed, that her team had gone behind his back. However, ruby would rightly argue she had no other choice and from her perspective she had saved all the civilians (as there’s no possible way for her to know what happened in Vacuo’s desert). Incidentally, her plan was by far the best. It was only undone because Cinder used the very powerful lamp to figure out exactly what they all had planned, not that the character would argue that of course.
I like your scene with penny though she wouldn’t have the winter maiden power. Perhaps she could try and argue ruby should have gone along with ironwoods plan or something. Ruby could become less aggressive but argue it was the right thing to do, that ironwood planned to destroy mantle.
I think it would be better if Pyrrha didn’t fight Rwby and instead, after the penny fight, she would explain her sacrifice as you said but then be depressed and kill herself. Saying her sacrifice was meaningless.
Clover should not be involved in any of this. He never had a personal connection with ruby and his death both had nothing to do with Ruby and was profoundly moronic. Easily the worst scene in Rwby before season 9 but I’ve broken that down in a different video.
So after the Phyrra section this would be ideal to bring in Ozpin and have him explaining his dastardly actions (at least what Neo would want to show her). I wouldn’t even have him beat ruby at all and instead a montage of him manipulating people throughout the centuries leading to each of the previous examples. He would then explain ruby was just another naïve child he easily manipulated. Ruby would then argue against neo herself, saying none of these people felt this way and she (through Oz or someone else) can she actually argue against these points to which she would. Ruby would put her trust into Oz, believe to keep fighting no matter what happens. Neo could then get furious with her and then perhaps have each of them fight her all at once.
Much prefer your ending where torchwick throws ruby into a pool of the tea rather than her drinking it herself (especially quite like the similarity with his ending). I truly despise this scene as it utterly destroys her character as with frankly little effort Neo got ruby to kill herself. I understand and agree your idea of using a similar scene to challenge her in different ways would have been far better. Difficult to implement but would’ve been far better than the insultingly terrible scene in a mire of abysmal writing.
@@dlfarmer7601 Ok, Then we'd Do a Puss in Boots,
And Do a Montage of Neo Always Being There.
Either That Or Neo and Salem Just Talked about it.
Yea MisRemembered Lionheart's Thnx on That.
I was More So Planning a Fight Scene.
Both Physically And Mentally.
She Fights Lionheart and The True Fear of Salem,
She Fights Ironwood Who Calls Her out on The Hypocrisy Of Calling him Untrustworthy,
When They Lied to Him Tenfold,
Questioning Her Very Flawed Logic.
Ruby Fights Pyrrha, a Huntsmen Ruby Might Never Live up to,
Ruby's Fighting Penny, A Friend She Left Behind Twice,
Both Before AND after Penny Gained Maiden Powers,
Ruby Fights Clover, Who Uses Ruby's Love for Her Uncle Against her,
P
Blaming Qrow's Drunkness on Ruby.
She's Down and Almost Broke on Aura,
But Ozpin Comes around a Beats Her with his Cane,
With Each Strike, Ozpin Changes Between Each Version of Himself,
Breaking That aura,
Explaining all The Manipulating He's Done To People Like Ruby for Over a Million Life Times,
In The Same Room They First Met.
The Reason For The Locations of Each Fight,
Was So That The Opponents Could Interact With The Environment Differently.
Neo Stands Still, Waiting for Ruby To Shoot At Neo,
But The Bullet is Deflected By Wiess's Sword,
And Ruby is Forced to Fight Her own Team, plus Herself,
Real Ruby is Able to Defeat A
Everyone But Her Self.
The Fake Ruby Then Turns into A Grimmified Version of Herself, Similar to The Hound.
Real Ruby Eventually Loses,
And Ruby is Left to Grovel at The Feet of Roman Torchwick, Where She's Yanked into The Air,
By Roman
And Ruby is Forced to Watch The Fall of Beacon aThen Dropped,Made To Fall into The Jaws of The Bird Grimm.
It Doesn't Need to Make Sense or Not Because Neo's Semblance is In Control of This Nonsense Reality,
Powered By Her Hatred Alone.
She Can Copy anyone, anything, any Power,
She Can Materialize All The Maiden powers Just Because She Can Think it,
But All She Does think of, is Getting Vengeance on Ruby,
And Thus once Gets That Vengeance,
And Ruby Drowns in a Sea of the Tea That Makes her Descend.
Neo Mind Stops, Because Now She's Done it, Neo Has Nothing Driving her anywhere,
And Her Semblance, Like her Mind, Shatters The Mansion Because of This.
The Rest is History.
@PositiveNihilism. Well the puss in boots example doesn't work as Neo isn’t nearly as omnipresent as the reaper. And Salem wouldn't bother to speak of ruby to Neo (and they only met briefly in the whale). At a stretch, Cinder might've talked about it, or at an even bigger stretch neo found this information out herself (the spiders and her own investigation).
Anyway, your visuals are far better than what we got and not only does it allow unique fight scenes but unique character interactions. The dialogue and arguments I suggested could have been happening during the fight scenes (Phyrra and Ozpin being the exception).
The purpose of this scene is characterisation over everything else. It needs to establish why Ruby would fall into despair. It cannot be understated just how badly the original scene and season failed at this. Anyway, couple points:
Ruby being seen as a grim version of herself is a neat visual but it would only convince the real Ruby to fight instead of giving up.
Ruby definitely wouldn't grovel at Torchwick's feet. She would almost certainly argue back at him but if she was somewhat broken by the experience she would likely softly apologise (more to everyone than just Torchwick).
Monthly upload done. Right DL?
ummm...I don't particularly have a schedule for these videos, I work on them whenever I can as I don't do this full time. Anyway, did you enjoy it?
It was basically filler
I wouldn't call character-study "filler"... But to each their own I guess.
@@terancetan5503A Character study that has characters going though the same lesson they went through before in the show, reset to how they were at the beginning with the lesson being learned that just being themselves is enough(which is character regression if anything as tells that the character shouldn’t grown ever and act like they are perfect), and “confirming” a relationship that was already in plain sight that won’t change the characters at all going forward and the occasional locking lips.(which isn’t character.)
@@honeycomb170 Alright then, if you don't like Canon Volume 9, why don't you read an alternative? I'd post the link here, but apparently, this site doesn't allow it - just type "RWBY Destiny's Divide" into your search engine.
@@honeycomb170 I'll flat-out tell you that while Canon Volume 9 was good, Destiny's Divide blows it out of the water and to the moon. Not to mention it has a sequel that is basically Volume 10 which is currently being updated AND 10 short stories that bridge the two!
@@honeycomb170 If you don't like Canon Volume 9, why don't you read this story instead?
Good video, but you're tripping if you think the previous creation myth is actually good. It's a cliche trash pile, bloated by macguffins.
24:38 that is neo
Sorry for the late reply, but how come her eyes are different?
@@dlfarmer7601 I don't know it has something to do with a book
@@dlfarmer7601 It's from the Roman Holiday books which reveal Roman and Neo's origins.
The photo shows Neo (then known as "Trivia Vanille") with her parents when she was a kid.
Neo's eyes are naturally brown. She uses her semblance to create the heterochromia.
@@JMobster9 Ah okay. Still really confusing in the show. Had they added another portrait or two showing her transformation that would've been better.
Also means she's been using her semblance nonstop throughout her entire life.
In my opinion all they had to do was stick the landing. Have Ruby transform as a result of ascension and keep Jaune’s age going back to remnant.
Hmmm this aged well
Indeed.
All we are left with is the results of crappy writing.
RT dead. RWBY in Limbo.
RWBY is now being backed by Viz Media. So it'll return.
Umm, yes and No.
Viz is just a licensing and distribution company for the most part. Not a production house.
Kerry made the deal as soon as the contract with CR expired (they were Not going to renew) to try and keep RWBY visible and the license secure.
Basically RWBY will be back to were it was 4 months ago. Pushing old merch, cheesy side story slide shows, promises of V10 around the corner, and eventually begging for support.
@@ShogunPlasma RWBY is not quite back.
Viz is not really a production company. Mainly distribution.
Kerry is still looking for money, investors, and a production company.
1 month later. Still not aging well.
…At the end of the Volume they’re in Vacuo. Those are Mistral ships meaning Rubys message worked and the other Kingdoms have sent help. Not sure where you’re getting any kind of reset.
You and I have literally no idea what the writers are gonna do. I can only speculate as to what the writers are gonna do. As for the reset, the writers have done away (mostly) with everything they did in this season, so it can thankfully be skipped.
@@dlfarmer7601if they even get green lit for a vol 10, they are at the mercy of WB
If I may interject. Ruby's message was a call to come aid Atlas/Mantle. Not Vaccuo.
No one came. Which actually makes sense because Ruby went off topic in her message to the world to tell them not to trust Ironwood. Why would any Kingdom come to help after hearing that. Instead they would be fortifying their own defenses out of fear of Ironwood attacking.
I'm sure that is Not the narrative CRWBY intended. I'm just saying it is one of the few themes in the later volumes that makes logical sense. Even if accidental.
@@DocMicrowave Have you seen the epilogue or RWBY Beyond? Because they completely debunk what you’re saying. They did come. It just wasn’t an immediate thing and Ruby has kind of become a celebrity for bringing the world together.
@@Savannah_Simpson Have you seen V8, because that is what I referenced my comment on.
One of the reasons Atlas/Mantle fell is because No one came to help.
Ruby herself lamented this in late V8. That despite her message, no help came.
I am talking about Atlas/Mantle, not Vaccuo.
The Kingom fell, Penny lost, both Relics lost and in Salem's hands, numerous citizens killed and displaced, due in part to team R/W/BY's efforts. As the writing has them take a little vacation to "find themselves' and miss all the action with the refugees they dumped in a desert being killed by Grimm.
If you want to say 'well help did show up at Vaccuo'. Then I will counter with yeah! You could say the kingdoms united together to ward off any attack by Atlas.
The epilogue does not change that possible narrative. They heard her message, did NOT attempt to help Atlas. Went to help/defend Vaccuo instead. Especially with the sudden incursion of refugees from Atlas/Mantle.
Other kingdoms did not have time to get to Atlas? Maybe, but team R/W/BY seemed to be able to get there fast enough in their stolen airship.
I could relax my opinion if it was shown that other kingdoms did show up but it was too late. All the found was the destroyed Kimgdom, but I have a pretty sure you will NOT see that. Won't even be mentioned.
By 'accidental' I meant of course the writers don't intend to frame it that way. The girls still have to be seen as heroes despite their rather devastating errors. They will be hailed in the streets as heroes guaranteed.
Yall will glaze the life out of the most mediocre shit in existence and its astounding. Rwby has never been good in any way shape or form
"Glaze the life out" That is a fascinating set of words.
Anyway, before season 9 (which is abysmal) Rwby is a flawed but very good show, with a plethora of great things about it. It most certainly isn't mediocre. The characters are excellently designed and their personalities play incredibly well off each other. But perhaps the best aspect of Rwby is the choreography of every fight scene and I'd easily say its among the best in every anime, film and tv show.
Nah, I disagree. We finally got a season pretty much solely focused on team rwby instead of having side characters constantly take center stage.
I liked this season, I don't care that it temporarily broke off from the main plot. Bite me
Fun fact: this was taken from monty's original plan. This was SUPPOSED to happen.
And had he been alive to approve this, this video would've remained the same. But I can only imagine this was like season 8 of game of thrones where the directors had only some notes from the original creator but executed them horribly. Plus both decided to condense it for whatever reason (although the quality was so abysmal it wouldn't have mattered).
X to doubt.
Given that RWBY was originally contrived of 'cute girls go to highschool to fight the forces of darkness', I was fully expecting something more akin to 'Monster of the Week' where they take missions every so often much like Mountain Glenn and we get introduced to a new Grimm.
Rinse and repeat with RWBY ranging out from Beacon into new and exciting arcs like Kuroyuri and Brunswick Farm.
Eventually through these mini adventures and learning about new Grimm, we discover elements of Salem's plot and slowly reveal her intentions and backstory.
Beacon was never meant to fall hard enough to be completely abandoned. It was always meant to be a 'hub' which served as the launch point for all the adventures and the method for us to learn about the world. Easier to digest exposition when it's served to us in a classroom setting meaning both the characters and the audience learn at the same time. Thus setting up Chekov Guns for future adventures.
We don't need to pause in a fight with a Borbatusk pack for needless exposition on their behaviors and weaknesses. Weiss demonstrated one for us in class.
Remember that the Fall of Beacon happens in Vol 3. Monty passed away during Vol 3 production shortly after Vol 2 was released and the post credit scene of Vol 2 with Yang and Raven was a sign that all was not well between Monty and his writing team.
I sincerely doubt any of what happened Post 4 was in ANY of Monty's notes. Vol 5 serving as 'The Great Retcon' where it stops being Monty's creation and more Miles and Kerry's.
@@graveyardshift6691 its actually even worse, cause this wasnt meant to be an alternate dimension. Let me quote the rwby wiki on this rq:
"The Ever After was originally conceived during the production of Volume 2 when it was envisioned as a place on Remnant."
This waa conceived in volume 2. Monty was ALIVE when this was concieved.
🍞
I really like volume 9 tbh
Fair enough, I can't take your opinions away from you. This video was here to objectively review this season (or moreso rummage through it), and wasn't made to criticise anyone who likes it.
No NO NO NO NOOOO
I kinda disagree with some of your points about things not making sense - considering the volume is Wackyland Isekai, I would've liked it to be stranger. And I think copying Alice in Wonderland is okay.
Ruby being off character is a criticism I understand, though don't necessarily agree with either; the fall of Atlas was team RWBY's fault. It's not something the writers realized, mind you, but it *is* their fault. Plus she realized her mom is now probably an undead half-Grimm abomination. Normal that she isn't feeling cheerful, even less so than at the end of Volume 3.
And I did love when she yelled at her team (but probably because I wanted to yell at them myself).
As for the ascension thing, I really wanted her to get a slight redesign so I was disappointed that she came back unchanged, but you're right: had she lost her memories or become a completely different character the entire plot would've been derailed.
You're also right about Neo and the tone problems in the first episodes, it's a complete mess.
Funnily enough I thought this was the best volume in a good while up until they got to the tree, where they dropped the ball by refusing to commit to any of the changes they made. Jaune just going back to his young banana-haired self is something I *particularly* despise (+ it's not Alyx's fault so her wish shouldn't have fixed it).
If they wanted to reference to alice in wonderland, i.e. having a reference to the girl who fell through the world (as in one of the characters saying I don't think we're dreaming or something similar) or having a similar colour aesthetic or framing that would be fine. They did it with cinderella and Atlantis but in a subtle and respectable manner (cinder's backstory definitely doesn't engage her with the audience however). Literally copying every main element of Alice in wonderland is terrible. It reeks of uncreatively and laziness. Not to mention it doesn't fit at all with RWBY. They could've written it to be this incredible, vibrant otherworld filled with creatures, cultures and designs unlike anything we've seen before. It's animation so it's not limited to anything from Earth. So yes it could've been stranger but so long as it fits with the worldbuilding of rwby then it could've worked. Imagine a world created by the gods where by day life blossoms and thrives but by night everything's destroyed by scores of strange grim creatures and this repeats over and over again forcing the team (along with a captured or following neo) to search for an exit while trying to survive.
Ruby should be feeling terrible about her plan failing, certainly guilt ridden but she would never give up on life or act like a completely different person. What she could've focused on was that from her perspective the plan saved tens of thousands of people as Atlas and Mantle were pretty much doomed anyway. Ironwood's plan to leave Mantle to its fate is a far more strategic move but would've cost countless lives which is why team rwby didn't go though with it. This season could've had ruby wrestle with that decision but they didn't for some reason. Also i didn't consider ruby's mum to be a half grim, I just assumed she was dead. Could be interesting.
The tonal problems were baffling to me. How could any writer be so stupid as to do that rock throwing gag while the main character is crying about her dead friend she tried to save.
I have no idea what the hell the writers were doing with the finale at the tree especially that wish. You're absolutely right that it wasn't alyx's fault so if anything he should been de-aged to the day she met him, perhaps ten years younger rather than twenty. Also a bad thing i just thought of: he's now a thirty or forty year old in the body of a teenager and likely to get with Weiss. So that.
There's always some fucking guy...
Bad takes
Hmmm ruby is giving thing that are important to her is because she's GIVING up. I thought that was easy to see. Hence why she cause sepuku as well.
Anyway i still consider season 9 better from the rest.
They did hesitate... I mean yang did.
And john being stupid is in character.
Actually I'd re consider watching rwby again because of season 9.
Seeing the neo fight got me back.
But seriously season 9 is better than the rest. Which aint saying much since the rest was a mess.
I like how they made ruby crumble
Imagine a child falling to pieces and neo keeps on breaking the glass.
Apologies for the long delay in this reply, anyway...
So it's obvious the writers have written it so ruby has given up, that's not in dispute. What's wrong is that this is entirely against her character (her character throughout the previous 8 seasons would never do this nor anything she does in this season).
A single moment where yang and blake briefly pause to confess their love isn't really hesitation. What I meant was a deep reaction where one thinks it through (doesn't necessarily need to be brief or long). Either way the main criticism was how their confession took place and how it took away a much better, character focused scene.
"John being stupid is in character" Couple things here: one, his character arc started from an incompetent, bumbling fool to a strong leadership role. There's several problems with his arc before now, especially in the last couple seasons but him being stupid isn't really in character. Second I didn't even mention his intelligence, my main criticism was how unblievably depressing this is - he spent decades waiting for anyone to show up, then when a pair did he was betrayed then spent more decades doing the same pointless routine over and over again. I honestly don't think the writers have realises how horrible they wrote his life in this world.
I'm assuming you mean the scene where neo creates those illusions to break down ruby as the fight that brought you back. When neo fought with yang and later cinder, it was incredibly well choreographed. This merely had a bunch of unending shapeshifting clones toying with ruby. Where's the fun in that. She doesn't have to do anything. The spectaclar fight scenes are the main draw of ruby and they had none of that in this season.
I seriously don't understand how anyone could watch all of Rwby and say season 9 is better. In fact I struggle to find anything of any quality from season 9. The tone is bawked beyond belief, the worldbuilding is entirely nonsensical, the characters are fully inconsistent from what we've seen before and the plot is so horribly contrived. Name one thing that is good from this season (not including the animation). There's plenty of problems with the previous seasons but my goodness this so much worse.
@@dlfarmer7601 against her character...hmm why can't it not be against her character? Ive seen a lot of people break character before... Who knows maybe the smile behind ruby these entire time was fake?
Plus u originally came for the action and choreography. Which season 1 and 2 and 9 had.... I think 3 to 8 sucked balls? Maybe theres some thats good? Mehh?
Plus I didn't expect much from season 9. Maybe thats why i highly regard it than the rest.
Plus again.
Theres not much to say about 1 through 8....
And john..... Why not? I dont see anything wrong on what happened to him. Hopefully it made him grew up. He may have chenged his role into a leader from season 1 to 8 but he still acted like an idiot( probably the writers fault.) But in season 9. I kinda like what happened to them there. What else did i miss....
@@dlfarmer7601 ahh the fight scene!... Yeah yang and neo fight is good too. Neo and cinder.... Yeah i kinda forgot how that goes.
Neo and ruby fight was nice too. Clones sure but still a fight scene. I dont mind fighting clones. It shows the tactical side of neo. Why would neo fight her head on? Plus she want her to suffer. Whats the point of just killing her right there and then? Thats why she wants her death to be unique.
@@TheEvilPinkOne *cracks fingers* okay... Could you give me an example of when a character breaks character on purpose. Breaking bad works because everything he does slowly (emphasis on slow) transforms him from a good person to a bad one. Simply saying this character is different from how he/she used to be is sufficient, is not storytelling. It's incompetence.
So you liked season 1 and 2 then. Interesting. More interesting is why you disliked season 3. Perhaps because it moved away from the spectacle: Evidence, Season 3 was where the tone shifted from light hearted entertainment to a deep story. This continued throughout the series until season 9 where it suddenly became alice and wonderland, which you liked. You have yet to describe anything from seasons 3-8 that you dislike hence I believe it's simply the tone that matters to you. Could you give examples of what other anime/shows you like with similar and different tones perhaps?
"I don’t mind fighting clones." "It shows the tactical side of neo." Okay then, why doesn’t she spawn a hundred million clones? That would suffocate ruby by sheer number of physical bodies, and cause her extreme pain in the process. Tell me, would that be out of character? or would it be too big for her unfounded new abilities?
Also can you tell me how rwby before now "sucked balls"? I really like to know. Details please as I really like to improve my own craft when it comes to storytelling so understanding how stories work/fail really helps.
Lastly, you don't find what happened to Juanne extremely depressing?
Having depressive thoughts doesn't mean you are gonna get rid of things that are meaningful to you.
And Jaune isn't stupid, his character was more as the goofy person but being goofy doesn't make tou stupid
I give this review a 4/10... Hay i gave up rwby since season 3. But your review is kinda bad.
There are other reviews out there that did better, and they also gave it a review of it being a mess.
Alright. What are the ways I can improve my reviews? I'm always looking to improve these videos so I'm all ears.
Your criticism is a 0/10 because you didn't even say what you didn't like or what he did wrong in your opinion. Seemingly you only said this to be rude because the bulk of you comment is asking for recommendations on reviews after telling someone their review was bad🤨
@@dlfarmer7601I think they only said it to make a jab not because they had actual criticisms
sorry but without an explanation or helpful advices to improve this is just hate so 0/10. also, I'm confused, gave up yet you act like a expert? and better reviews how? you don't explain. no offence just a warning to explain your points better in the future so you don't look bad and that's me assuming you ain't actually lying about being bias about RWBY.
You didnt even explain anything for why it's that.
- Actually everything about Jaune goes towards him not knowing, given that most civilians don't and at the start that's what he is having forged his way into Beacon.
- Ren's semblance is a matter of suppressing himself or other's emotions to hide them from the grimm; v8 has that expand to being able to see emotions. Which is right there in the same vein, if anything having him see what he's been suppressing.
So in neither case is there a rule break.
On top of that, v8 ended with all of RWBY&J + Neo falling into a Voidspace that they were warned not to do; one that is in-between Remnant's plane and a pocket-space. In what world would that NOT lead to a world like Ever After. The only thing that has happened is that world of RWBY got blown open into either a multiverse (different worlds within a universe) or omniverse (different worlds, planes, pocket-spaces, etc).
- Um yeah, those civilians aren't brought up because its both obvious that they died and aren't relevant to the main storyline. Its pathetic and petty ass nitpicking
- Different world from a different and originator god that works based on its own rules, thus there being no reason for it needing to obey Remnant's.
- Actually the reincarnation system has no bearing on creatures wanting or not wanting to be eaten by a predator. Also the Jabber is the only thing capable of breaking things out of the reincarnation cycle not of killing in general, anything can kill but whatever is killed cycles back in a new form without their prior memories.
- Actually no, given that v9 is picking up immediately after v8 and no one has had a chance to rest to regain their aura and semblances.
- The Jabber was faced against 4 opponents that weren't afraid of it as opposed to its usual of fearful Afteran prey. That makes sense regardless of whether you think its intimidating or not
- EVERY character is a new character, because "different world" dumbass. Also yeah, narratives do require nudging or bringing up certain character arcs; that's not an unusual thing.
- You do realize that its perfectly fine and done across media to have comedic moments to balance out sad/serious ones, right? That isn't tonal inconsistency, its letting off the damn emotional gas pedal. Not to mention emphasizing Ruby's state by her being out of it.
- Oh yes ignore that Ruby was doing the pragmatic thing in order to try to get them home, especially as Penny's sword is the item that the toy soldiers saw at the auction
- Once again death is a thing in the sense of being reincarnated without ones memories in a new form.
- The cat mentioning eating said mouse, thus explaining the fear
- Um no, they took the idea of the Caterpillar and made it their own within this world with one of the most unique designs in the series; while maintaining the original concept. A concept that they never hid, yes this is a world inspired by Alice in Wonderland and they never once hid that idea.
- Once again narrative instrument that's old as the medium itself, also not introducing new characters its themselves earlier in their journeys that serve as a very damn good mirror to show how far they've come.
- It changes from sword to dagger, because it was inside Ruby's mind not the physical world
Skipping ahead through the drivel
- Actually no it was mentioned that the storm will eventually disperse, so all they'd need to do is wait long enough.
- As a result of that ^ they also weren't being forced into doing anything, which is furthered by their body language shifting away from any degree of feeling in danger at all. Which for the audience is already established before that with Weiss falling into a pit and landing fine afterwards.
- What it did allow is giving BB an absolutely gorgeous fking confession and kiss scene involving a beautiful sky in their colors, a floating island for just them, vines that grow based on their emotions, and flowers that bloom the same way. As well as having them tackle the mountain that is the "friend/romance line" that anyone that has ever faced, especially LGBT+ people know is a massive deal that carries risk. And this is involving characters with trauma and self-doubts in spades. Regardless those gorgeous things wouldn't be a thing if it weren't for the storm, which fits just fine within the magical damn world. And I can easily say I wouldn't make that trade at all ever.
Regardless I'm going to just leave this at this and not bother listening to some moron that didn't even pay attention to what was presented to them.
For a long time I didn't agree with the complaint that comedy in RWBY was tonally jarrng, but this volume I really started feeling it. Take Episode 4. The first half is very comedic and has a moment where Ruby thinks she's got the Cat only to panic and whimper comically as she loses him. Then the second half focuses on the team's insecurities, and shows that Ruby is in a worse state than others right now. But then... wasn't that scene in the first half basically making fun of a depressed person? "Haha look at this fucking moron, look at how she looks around helplessly, completely clueless, what a buffoon, isn't this funny how panicky this depressed person is?"
@@olserknam Um no there was no making fun of depressed people at all and that's just trying to spin nothing into something.
@@CrimsonXE But don't you think it's a bit inappropriate to have both of these scenes in the same episode? If we're to sympathize with Ruby's terrible mental state, why are we also laughing at her acting stupid?
Not to mention that she's supposed to have matured past acting like a kid, and even if you really want her to be comic relief again, this arc is pretty much the worst time for this.
@@olserknam She's not acting stupid, she's acting frantic like someone that's lost something. Also more on the cat than her. There's nothing that says that a depressed person can't also express other aspects of themselves; I should know given how easy it is for ones in my family to dive into depressive episodes. On top of that there's a reason the latter half is the latter half, namely having everything build to that point of seriousness.
Also she isn't supposed to get rid of all her kid traits, just that she overall has matured. There's plenty of grown adults that have some of their kid aspects.
@@CrimsonXE The moment is still framed as comical. Ruby is framed as a helpless little girl, and we're supposed to laugh at it because isn't it so funny and cute how confused she is? This feels condescending and humiliating. To understand what I mean better, would you defend it if Yang had a bunch of comical moments like this in Volume 4?
Not to mention that framing Ruby as a funny bumbling idiot generally undermines the idea of Ruby being a strong dependable leader. And in a volume where she doesn't get to do much and spends most of it helplessly sulking in depression, adding jokes on top of that feels like rubbing salt into injury.
you know, if the ruby did transform, it would be a crazy situation for everybody deal with,
unfortunately everyone don't have a good enough character to react to this crazy situation properly so there's
Honestly I can't imagine what would happen if Ruby chose to transform into something else. Would her mother suddenly be in her place or would she would have her mother's abilities or personalities. The whole thing is incredibly poorly thought through.
In this season, everyone's character is screwed over so I have no idea what their reactions would have been.
@@dlfarmer7601 The writers intended everybody to be pretty much reset to what they were by the end of V9.
(With the exception of the predicted flipping of Neo. And some teasing of a STRQ flashback in V10.)
Hence, a filler volume.