Rose Quartz/Pink Diamond Is The TRUE Villain! [Steven Universe Discussion] Crystal Clear
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- The revelation of Rose Quartz being Pink Diamond spins Steven Universe in an entirely new direction and unveils her as the TRUE antagonist of the series!
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Woah woah woah man, let’s back up a second. This whole rant has some points, but are twisted with some pretty hard core assumptions about Pink Diamond Rose. We do not know what exactly are he events that lead to her decision. We don’t know if she even had a chance to just go “Hey! I don’t want to keep colonizing this planet because it’s beautiful!” There are plenty of factors that could’ve complicated things, especially considering her mind appears to act way younger than the other diamonds.
I could literally come up with a more humanizing reason rn but I’m writing from my phone and that’d be a lot- so--
Seeing the whole situation from the perspective that Pink was given a huge responsibility while still mentally unprepared to deal with all of its aspects and then desperately trying to find a way to make your own path like “Living on earth as someone completely detached from home world society”... you can see how even a good gem could COMPLETELY fuck up. I do not believe she did this out of malice, but it’s clear she definitely was never a perfect leader. She was impulsive, childish, secretive, dishonest. But those traits don’t always sprout from someone trying to watch the world burn. It’s clear she really did love the planet. That she really did love her gems, especially her crystal gems. She even loved pearl (Platonically of course, literally look at any clips of pearl and rose and you can see pearl is just infatuated beyond repair while rose sits there idiotically oblivious). And Rose avoid ever thinking about anything she did because: (and she’s stated this herself) she’s made so many mistakes and done so many objectively terrible things in the past... if she was Sociopathic or something she wouldn’t care. And she very clearly cares.
*whips* look now you got me defending pink diamonds stupid ass-
My comment is so long omg in s o r r y-
You’re good Jake, it’s long but more constructive than most ;)
Good to see you here Jake I like your vids :)
Amen 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Jakeneutron
"WoAh iTs JAkE NeUtrOn, PoPularIty!1!"
(Lol, nice points you made tho)
Bismuth was right.
Steven really is better than -Pink Diamond- Rose.
Pretty sure that that was what Rose wanted.
He didn’t have to do anything and he’d be better lmao.
It makes sense that rose quartz is pink diamond, because rose quartz has so many different powers and now it never made sense before that she was just a quartz and had all these awesome powers. People may see her as the villain however I think that we need the whole story we don't know what blue yellow and white diamond were like how they were oppressing rose quartz/ pink diamond
Ya they have exterminated billions before.
Ikr!!!
Over a year later: Let’s bring up what she did to spinel!
Tianna Hiuser Exactly I’m like when does your destruction end pink, no wonder why yellow didn’t want to give you a damn planet.
I wanna smack her so damn bad.
My heart broke when we found out about spinels backstory 😢
Ok guys calm down. You act like the other Diamonds were any better
Fact
I kinda like Rose better this way? lol It was cool when she was a perfect, moral leader, but seeing that she had good intentions and ended up doing fucked up things anyway makes her more complex. It really emphasizes the fact that you can still do bad things while you think you're doing good.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
It makes her more complex, but it makes her an abusive person that lies to and gaslights the people around her to manipulate them. You can like the story more because she's a terrible person, but I certainly hope that you don't like her as a character more, or that's a little sociopathic.
@@EmmyDereest Perhaps. I also wonder if she's actually just really really genuinely unaware of the massive privilege she has in having been the darling entertainer among the diamonds (basically a spoiled yet also abused child) and having everyone else defer to her as a diamond. It didn't ever occur to her that she shouldn't do exactly what she wanted. It'd always been everyone's delight to serve her, so why shouldn't she have exactly as she wanted?
Or perhaps it is narcissism, and she conveniently has her secrets and does what she wants without caring who she hurts in the process.
My darkest suspicion was that she actually wondered if she'd literally become half of Steven, and he was another selfish way for her to become like the earthly life she loved so much, and further escape the reach of diamonds. He was her ticket to another existence, one she couldn't truly escape by assuming a new identity as Rose Quartz.
@@EmmyDereest shes not a terrible person. and that's a fact. yes she was spoiled but think about it shes a DIAMOND. She was raised with diamond thought prosses but was never treated like one. and yes what she did to spinel was wrong but to her (at the time) it wasn't. 6000 years is different for a diamond and a regular gem. and also she made a lot of progress and I think we need to credit her for that. she was just a curious ignorant person who had good intentions but bad execution.
@@curiousnerdkitteh with the way she acted I think she wanted to have steven because she loved grege. She genuenly wanted to be able to show steven the happiness and joy of earth that she saw her self.
Personally, I think Pink's intentions (to have herself, her court, her colony, and all the life on it be free of the oppressive, destructive control of Homeworld) were noble, but a lot of her methods and approaches were off-key. There were a lot good things that happened, but also a lot of bad things too.
Then again, because of how strict and seemingly oppressive the Diamonds' and Homeworld's ways and traditions were, she might not have had much choice in how she went about her goals.
her intentions were good but she started a war to do it, and we may not know this but she probably didnt even try to talk to the other diamonds about leaving earth alone
She probably figured that if she did try and tell them to spare the Earth, the Diamonds would have none of it and continue with their plans to colonize Earth anyway. Except in that scenario, Pink would get removed from the effort and no one would be able to stop them.
It seemed pretty selfish to me at least. Just the way she's talking, "It's so exciting" like its a joke. Her general attitude in that scene doesn't resonate with someone who wants to protect life--more like someone on a joy ride.
I believe she had no bad intention her ideas end up bad tho
Remember rose is a diamond just lije pearls are trained to be servants she was trained to be the master she probably thought the best thing to do on something that big is war not saying it was but in her mind it probably the only opinion that would work if the other diamonds heard they would take the earth away and never give her another colony and maybe just straight up destory the earth as punishment for going against them her gems too yes she should have told amethyst and garnet (most likely after the big war because of safety reasons) but remember it would of had this affect at anytime any place because learning she is pd would of made them react difference maybe even believe she ia toying with them faking a war with the diamond to sort out the bad gems
The Trial was basically a family reunion lol
EXACTLY I could go on forever the interactions Steven made that would parallel. LIKE HOW JASPER HATES HER OWN DIAMOND LIKE WTF
_Āto Fenikkusu wow x
_Āto Fenikkusu yeah, we have the aunties, the nephew, the talking about the sister/mother, and the awkward best friend in the background. 👍
Peridot: "Well if she (Pink Diamond) wanted to protect it she did a lousy job, there'd BE no cluster if the Earth had stayed a Colony, now there's NO colony (All the gems were shattered or corrupted), and there's gonna be no Earth, so thank you, Rose Quartz, you doomed the planet!!!"
Peridot didn't know how right she was.
Roobz Z looking at this a year later, yup. Peridot was right.
peridot more like periodt 🤣‼️ did she lie did she lieeee?!!
This aged semi-well.
And now, with the theory of her secret destructive powers beeing responsible for splitting homeworld in half, if that theory is true, then letting those powers in the hands of your son without anyone knowing he would have those powers one day sounds REALLY irresponsable now
So yeah, thank you Pink 😑
Bitch you act like being a colony that would've immediately died is sooo much better than the cluster. Pink diamonds story shown in reverse.
She started as a spoiled brat child, because of the diamonds influence that she's a diamond. Yes, she did bad things that will never change, but she grew into a much more mature person by the end of her arc. Pink diamond/Rose quartz was already redeemed, but you were shown end first, then the beginning. That's why you hate her
Can we just agree to call her "Rose Diamond"? Because rose is a shade of pink.
I like it.
Agreed
very much agreed
Yes please
I like pink quartz but rose diamond sounds just as good
uhhhh I suppose this may be an unpopular opinion considering what this entire video is about, but I loved the reveal. It connected all the foreshadowing and actually MAKES SENSE. not to mention, this makes her character flawed, which is nice since she was considered perfect as the leader of the rebellion. Also, it shows growth from a bratty kid, to someone who cares about earth. now, there is also a direction for the story to go. STEVEN IS A DIAMOND that's huge, and provides the show with so many directions to go
@Michael Hewitt-Clarke No, Rose/Pink Diamond was never once perfect. She did shatter and corrupt a lot of gems and left her damaged legacy to Steven, who had no part. However, I believe that Bismuths poofing was justified. Rose didn't want to shatter anymore gems, so when Bismuth suggested it she refused.
@@maianilau hiding Bismuth away form everyone for hundreds of years
For nothing now is “justified”
@@maianilau Pink didn't shatter or corrupt any gems, that was all the other diamonds doing. Get your facts straight.
Actually Steven should be able to cure corruption once he gets better control of his mind powers.
True he can finally heal centipeetle
And then Jasper
I wonder how she'll react to the fact that Pink Diamond is technically still alive?
Loup De Loup And Pull her redemption ark
Jasper: you killed my diamond
Steven: actually i am your diamond
Jasper: how may I serve you my diamond?
How, even when in his former form, a freaking diamond, which is the zenith of what powers he's trying to gain mastery of, couldn't even fully curb the effects of corruption. How much more Steven?
M. Ivy Luna actually I think she would say “Forgive me my diamond” cause she did try to kill Steven
Remember when Spinel was still standing in the garden before season 1 was aired
damn
HA! HA! YA I HATE HEF FOR THAT
...You DO realize what situation Pink was in, right. Like really what could she do
First of all, Let's discuss why Pink got Spinel in the first place. Pink had recently (to gem standards) had broken down after some beef with the other diamonds and accidentally injured her first pearl so much Pink couldn't keep her. Some people believe this was intentional, but the truth is it isn't. Pink loved her pearl because she could finally feel more like a diamond, and got close to her as well. I am not sure what happened but Pink had too much anger/sadness bottled up and quite literally let out a gush of her diamond power onto her pearl which kind of ruined her. Pink couldn't keep her because at the time if you weren't "perfect" you would be shattered of "fixed" by white diamond (becoming a zombie). So, Pinks pearl got taken away and turned into a zombie by white. This definitely had a negative effect on Pink, which was added to the already concerningly massive pile of bad things. The other diamonds noticed this, and got her a "replacement", Spinel. Spinel and Pink got close IMMEDIATELY. Spinel was perfect for pink and they had fun all the time. But Pink still was sad. There is nothing wrong with Spinel, but nothing can replace an old friend/whatever. Picture this, imagine you have a sibling of which you love very much. Let's say you and the sibling got in a fight, and you made her cry, and she ran away. Weeks later she is found dead. Your parents know you're sad, so they get you a really cool doll. You love this doll, but it can't replace your sibling. That is Pink's situation, except less her fault and more the abuse of the other Diamonds. So, anyway, Pink has fun with Spinel not forgetting her first Pearl. Thing is, around that time Pink got a colony (Earth), and as everyone knows, visits it and falls in love with it. She realizes that she and her inferiors are destroying it, taking its resources and leaving it empty. Pink didn't want this, and tried to stop it. This led to a fight with the other diamonds, which led to the war. Pink was maturing, becoming an "adult", and needed Spinel less and less. Soon, Pink had to escape to Earth and took her second more well known pearl with her, but not Spinel, why? BECAUSE, Spinel is very immature. The reason that tied in with Pink not taking her is, imagine, Spinel having to experience the war, possibly die, and also Spinel is clumsy, so she would probably blow their cover, getting the squad killed. And, regarding what would happen if Pink returned her, isn't a good choice either. So, basically, Pink could only keep Spinel at the garden. I respect that some people don't like Pink, that's fine, but if the reason is only because of the Spinel incident, then they need an explanation of why Pink had to do that.
@@moshy8650 so because Spinel was immature and childish like that justifies her leaving her on a island in space forever basically, she took pearl with her. So why wouldn’t she take spinel with her if she thought all gems deserved a chance to be free, why would she lie to her and leave her for over 3000 years? Because she was moving on? That’s still fucked up, why couldn’t she tell spinel what she told pearl?
@@moshy8650 No she wasn't. As much as I agree Pink wasn't a total monster, she was in no way in the right for leaving Spinel in the garden for 6000 years. I personally think Pink left Spinel in the garden, because she knew she couldn't bring her, but that she could've handled the situation a lot better.
I remember when Peridot said "well she did a lousy job at it" welp she's Right!
I’m not trying to redeem PD/RQ here, but someone pointed out that Pink didn’t have much of a choice, and that she genuinely thought that faking her own death was the best option. All Yellow and Blue ever did was patronize her, control her, talk down on her, criticize her. Pink truly felt like the Diamonds didn’t care about her. And she knew that she was by far the weakest Diamond. The smallest Diamond with only 1 incompleted colony. What options did she have?
Option A: Stand up to Yellow and Blue, insisting that Earth will not be colonized.
Outcome 1: Yellow and Blue brush it off and continue to force Pink to colonize Earth.
Outcome 2: Yellow and/or Blue set Pink aside and take over the Earth to finish the colony themselves.
Outcome 3: Yellow and Blue turn on Pink and defeat her in a full-blown war that still includes the Cluster and the corruption bomb.
Outcome 4: Yellow and Blue turn on Pink and defeat her, but still colonize Earth afterwards.
Option B: Continue to colonize Earth the way Yellow and Blue want her to.
Outcome: Everything on Earth dies and all gems are still serving Homeworld.
Option C: Keep making up excuses for not colonizing Earth.
Outcome: Yellow and Blue getting sick and tired of it and setting Pink aside, colonizing Earth themselves.
Option D: Completely defect from Homeworld and fight for Earth as a Crystal Gem (as Pink, not Rose).
Outcome: The war will happen and Pink will eventually be bubbled or imprisoned/punished in any other way, or in the worst case, shattered.
Option E: Fake your own death, because Blue literally said “As long as you are here to rule, this colony will be completed”. Seeing as Pink genuinely thought that the Diamonds didn’t care about her, she thought this was the best option.
Outcome: Earth is left alone and she and Pearl are free to live there. No war, no corruption, etc.
Or so she thought. This is where Pink went wrong. I can understand why Pink chose option E but she really didn’t think ANY of it through. She must have known the Diamonds wouldn’t accept her death and, especially since they had someone to blame who was actively fighting for Earth ON Earth, they would seek revenge. And so everything bad that has ever happened in the show followed.
It’s not like Pink knowingly made the choice to let the war, corruption, and so on and so forth happen. She just didn’t think through it all and she also probably didn’t care as much. At the end of the day, it was her own ass she was saving.
Something I DO actively blame Pink for is how dirty she did Pearl. No need to get further into that, we all know all about that now.
More than anything, I have VERY mixed feelings on Pink. More bad than good at this point, but I haven’t branded her a super evil villain yet. Maybe that’s where White comes in.
It is surprising how that obvious fact omit most salty people here..
Brilliant analysis
You have to understand Pink was the youngest the other three had years of experience beyond her. She may not have done things right or misjudged some of her decisions but I don't think that calls for calling her a villian. A villian is someone who does somthing for there own gain but her choices forming the Crystal Gems, faking her death, it was all to spare humanity and with that we have to see what led her to deciding this as we have only seen two versions of Pink Dimand the first acting like a spoiled brat and the one here leading a secret rebellion against the other diamonds what happened in those years to make become that. It's all good to claim she is a villian but I am sure Rebecca Sugar and her team have a good reason for it.
Rens omg you articulated my thoughts on this perfectly, pink diamond really is super childish
I totaly agree with you but i would also add the fact that probably pink didn't know about the power of corruption
And so she expected the diamond to be frightened by her death so that they would have left the earth existing.
The point of having a secret identity was to protect herself from the diamonds.
Before we judge PD's actions too harshly, let's consider her situation. It's made pretty clear by her mannerisms that, at least from a writing standpoint, she's coded to be a child. A bratty, spoiled child with no perspective on things like consequences and empathy. In any other world, a child would learn these things by interaction with other children and by being parented properly. But in PD's world, children as a concept don't even exist. Parenting doesn't exist, the other Diamonds have no idea how to handle her and grow to resent her for it. And the icing on the cake, because of her nature as a Gem, she will never ever have the opportunity to grow up and mature beyond her initial flawed programming. She's doomed to be an incompetent child and looked down upon *forever.*
And then she encounters Earth. Here, the beings are growing and changing all the time, living and aging and evolving, and it's the embodiment of everything she desires for her own life. But the very foundation of this ever-changing world is the antithesis of Gem society; constant change versus constant perfection. Preserving this microcosm would be acknowledging that it's system of aging and learning has value, that mistakes have intrinsic value. It would destabilize the very core of the Gem's rigid philosophical foundation of everything being perfectly tailored for a specific purpose. Accepting Earth as it was would be admitting that Gem society is flawed, and logically, that would call their credibility as leaders into question in the eyes of their subjects.
But PD's a child, she doesn't understand this. All she sees is 'the adults are being unfair and not listening to me.' So what's her response? Run away from home. Put on an adult costume and express her argument to a different crowd. This planet is her ticket out of her hopeless situation, and like *hell* she's going to watch as she's forced to destroy the only hope she has. Not only does her disguise work flawlessly, but she finds followers. She finds genuine validation based on her thoughts and not her status for the first time in her life. And it's intoxicating. Once she's had a taste of genuine respect and validation, there's no way she's going back. Not for anything. She'd rather die.
And so she does.
Were there other ways to handle it? Yes. Better ways? Yes. But do most children have the clear-headed perspective and maturity to think those ways through before acting? *Fuck no.*
Lunar Absolutely brilliant analysis. It’s what I’ve been thinking the whole time but couldn’t put into words.😂
Wow, you're right.
Thank fucking god someone else understands this.
You sir are amazing
👏👏👏👏 Brilliant analysis! All valid points and a great understanding of the situation and the protagonist without letting your personal bias get in the way.
Who else came back to this video after the movie to vent their spleen about Spinel?
Me: My opinion of Pink Diamond couldn't possibly go any lower.
Spinel: Hold my rubber hose.
I feel for Spinel.
Volleyball: Hold my ribbon
...You DO realize what situation Pink was in, right. Like really what could she do
First of all, Let's discuss why Pink got Spinel in the first place. Pink had recently (to gem standards) had broken down after some beef with the other diamonds and accidentally injured her first pearl so much Pink couldn't keep her. Some people believe this was intentional, but the truth is it isn't. Pink loved her pearl because she could finally feel more like a diamond, and got close to her as well. I am not sure what happened but Pink had too much anger/sadness bottled up and quite literally let out a gush of her diamond power onto her pearl which kind of ruined her. Pink couldn't keep her because at the time if you weren't "perfect" you would be shattered of "fixed" by white diamond (becoming a zombie). So, Pinks pearl got taken away and turned into a zombie by white. This definitely had a negative effect on Pink, which was added to the already concerningly massive pile of bad things. The other diamonds noticed this, and got her a "replacement", Spinel. Spinel and Pink got close IMMEDIATELY. Spinel was perfect for pink and they had fun all the time. But Pink still was sad. There is nothing wrong with Spinel, but nothing can replace an old friend/whatever. Picture this, imagine you have a sibling of which you love very much. Let's say you and the sibling got in a fight, and you made her cry, and she ran away. Weeks later she is found dead. Your parents know you're sad, so they get you a really cool doll. You love this doll, but it can't replace your sibling. That is Pink's situation, except less her fault and more the abuse of the other Diamonds. So, anyway, Pink has fun with Spinel not forgetting her first Pearl. Thing is, around that time Pink got a colony (Earth), and as everyone knows, visits it and falls in love with it. She realizes that she and her inferiors are destroying it, taking its resources and leaving it empty. Pink didn't want this, and tried to stop it. This led to a fight with the other diamonds, which led to the war. Pink was maturing, becoming an "adult", and needed Spinel less and less. Soon, Pink had to escape to Earth and took her second more well known pearl with her, but not Spinel, why? BECAUSE, Spinel is very immature. The reason that tied in with Pink not taking her is, imagine, Spinel having to experience the war, possibly die, and also Spinel is clumsy, so she would probably blow their cover, getting the squad killed. And, regarding what would happen if Pink returned her, isn't a good choice either. So, basically, Pink could only keep Spinel at the garden. I respect that some people don't like Pink, that's fine, but if the reason is only because of the Spinel incident, then they need an explanation of why Pink had to do that.
Bismuth: hold my breaking point
Volleyball: hold my ribbon
Spinel: hold my injector
The only reason she's not the villian is because she's too gullable and childish.
She meant good and it went super off trail, or she was just selfish but blind of what her actions would cause
Mega Pelotes Exactly. She's an anti-hero. Good intentions, but went about it in a very poor way.
Definitely agree~
How the diamonds will handle the situation with learning Pink Diamond not being shattered by a Rose Quartz,would it be like a pregnant woman on death row? Realizing that's Stevens' body is organic and if his life span is longer than an average human compared to the immortal gems bodies his life will be over in a flash not that they want to kill Steven but I feel they would want to put Pink Diamond on trail as a traitor and Actually shatter her not letting homeworld know of her still being alive. I can Imagine Yellow Diamond saying you wanted a shattering, now you'll have one. So I feel pink diamond will eventually pay for her actions and steven is just buying her time. I believe the Rose Quartzes we seen in Gem Heist would be release since I do feel the Diamonds do have a fair judicial system. When I look at how many Rubies there are, and remembering when ruby said in response to sapphire asking if she was okay and her saying who cares there's millions of me, Pink diamond made so many Rose Quartz so that when she took her form as one they couldn't trace it down to a single gem. For Example if a Sapphire committed an offensive it'd be easy for the sapphires owner to go specifically to that gem.
At first I thought the Rose Quartzes were bubbled to keep them silent, that maybe they was mentally connected having empathy powers but I think now that that may be a power exclusively to Pink Diamond.
My money is on this being a non-standard villain trope. Absolutely I believe that she thought this was the best course of action. This was a selfish act and lacked empathy for all who would be impacted by her choices. Doing the wrong things with good intentions is still wrong, and I hope this is a theme that the show does embrace. Loved the episode and eager to see where they go with it.
I can’t hate Rose/PD because in the end of the day she thought she was making the right decision, and yes it did hurt a lot of gems but you can’t always make the right decision sometimes you have to follow your gut and hope at the end of the day everything turns out good. By her making that once choice I believe we are going to get to see how Steven, Pearl, Amethysts, Garnet, and Greg grow as individuals and not just them pinning over a lost one they are going to be able to let go of that image of what they thought Rose was and evolve into more complex characters
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Mike Warski hi c:
honestly...no. She was selfish. Asking and asking and ASKING Yellow and Blue for a colony of her own, just to figure out she doesn't want to hurt it? So what does she do? She runs away from her responsibilities! Not only that, but she asks so much of the people she has manipulated and hurt the past few thousand years or so with giving nothing in return. I think back to "Storm In The Room," when Steven asks if she made him just to hide from her mistakes. Welp! I would totally believe that that's why she did it. She did it once already, so why not again!
Another Week it’s possible , I kinda feel this is the closest thing pd could be to being human. She didn’t really respect humans till Greg .
Another Week yeah I agree but also believe that the character development we are going to get is going to make the characters go through a complete change and mature and become more independent in a way. I think that’s Steven in general is going to grow and not make the same mistakes as his “mother” and the gems will also grow and that’s what I am excited for so I can’t hate Rose/PD
Maybe pink was mortified of how white diamond would have reacted. I mean, maybe she would have, like, destroyed the planet to make pink think again about defying the diamond authority. I mean we are claiming her to be the most powerful diamond and the one who has authority over the other diamonds AKA, the supreme ruler. By the way, I personally like this plot twist i love how the crewniverse set this up and we cant complain about finally getting answers after so much filler episodes. And the characters dont have to forgive pink, but maybe they can forgive steven.
Kel Kirkpatrick There are no filler episodes in the series. Every episode is inter- related in some shape or form. If they were filler you could just skip the episode cuase its not important but each episode serve importantance. This is because they foreshadow certain events that will take place later episodes in the series. You just have to read between the lines and look out for sutle hints the show provides for you in every episode. So therefore no filler.
Kel Kirkpatrick Thank you!!
Katzykamwiz you know what, thank you, I did not think of it that way, but still, maybe she was afraid of white diamond, maybe there were other gems, maybe even other diamonds that had the same feelings and, lets just say those gems were no more.
What if...what if? It doesn't matter what if. Her allegiance should be to her colony and the diamonds! If the Earth is destroyed then she can rebel and start a war against the diamonds but to sacrifice her colony over lies and her selfish love of Earth is just her being a TYRANT.
T Gomez just a theory bro, WHAT IF i make it a maybe. But it is nice to hear other peoples opinions.
Right after watching the Steven Universe movie, it all makes sense now.
Well r.i.p bismuth she is not going to be happy. Bismuth was in the war with everything she had. She lived the war and rose lied to her. When she does come back (hopefully this season) she is going to be mad. I would be ok if she came back sooner rather than later so she would be with the other crystal gems on this.
Blue Moon Yea. It's like when the Lieutenant found out Amon was a waterbender. You dedicate your whole life to someone just to find out their phony
Gabriel yea lol I never watched that but I get what your saying. Bismuth dedicated everything to rose and everything was a lie (sounds like me when I watched a single pale rose).
11:05 You can hear this man clapping in the background of the audio because he is in such shock and outrage. That's just one example, there are load more throughout the video.
I'm pretty sure that sound is his fist hitting into an open hand. He's ready to punch his way through the level of bs that has taken place.
Obi-Wan Kenobi It is an outrageous that your story the Moulin Rouge was a bit to drastic in romance
General Kenobi!
Why do I find you everywhere?
Lol i am the only who absolutely loves the plot twist?
Nevermind NEVERMIND
meh Studios i love the plot
After researching most people are happy and excited. Only a couple who are seriously triggered by manipulators and gray characters.
I think a show that creates so much frictions on what people think makes it a good show.
meh Studios nah man
Lets just go ahead and add Spinel to the list.
Agree
One sub for u
Fuck spinel
@@hueyfreeman6262 Yeah Spinel is getting too overrated
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A character being childish, and making a selfish decision that turned out to be a mistake doesnt really make them a sociopath though? Clearly Rose is a super flawed person, but I don't really see how that proves that everything evil that came from her mistakes was intentional and all a part of some master plan.
Have you seen her face when she was "poofing" poor Rubies? No sadness, no remorse. She was SMILING. It was just a game to her.
Pretty sociopathic to me :/
But she had to do it in order to find a way to save earth. PD was just a persona compared to RQ ,she just had to be PD until she found a way to save earth. PD wanted to save earth and RQ was the only way to do it.
Nekto Inoi Even then they're one and the same so she probably needed to do it to save her skin
That said, let's remember that PD hasn't been around for too long compared to the other diamonds. So she might have the mind comparable to a young child, somewhat anyway.
There could have been different pathways to ensure that minimal or zero deaths occurred. Really, she needed more time to refine her plan.
+Mikiado Gaom what kind of leader will put himself in the situation when he needs to save his skin in a cost of his people's lives, when all he needed to do to fix everything is to talk to his parents?
I'm happy with the plot twist, gotta problem with that?
ph_brony I feel you I’m happy with it as well
ph_brony I really don't like it but I can understand your opinion and respect it
If we can accept darth Vader being luke skywalkers father, why can’t we do the same for rose being pink diamond?
I actually had a different theory as to what was going to happen but I'm still happy with it.
I'm also happy about it :)
To be fair, she was raised around manipulative people. She was probably having trouble breaking through that. I might be just really lenient and forgiving, and I know I am, but this seems harsh. I see your point though, it was interesting to hear.
i agree! maybe compared to Pink! the other Diamonds deserve to be Destroyed ! ! ! ! !
Thats the thing though, that's how most villains end up being villains. They're products of a broken system!
that's kinda the point, steven was raised to belive his momma was a saint. He's probably feeling equally as cheated. turns out mom was just a selfish spoilt brat, that's why Bismuth said "Then you really are better than her." It's ambiguous because the story is set in the present, for Steven he'll only ever hear two biased sides of the story, the Gems will always think RQ is a hero, and PD as their Oppressor. Homeworld will always think RQ as a criminal, and PD as a victim. A person is never as simple as what others tell you. That, and Rose DID lie a whole bunch like about lion and Bismuth so it's not really out of the blue.
It's not "fair" if rose knew what she was doing was wrong but still did them and then ran away from her problem
KeatonTS that's the thing though, I don't think she knew it was wrong
Rose's character makes perfect sense with the PD reveal: as Pink Diamond she was abused, but still sheltered and privileged. She simultaneously doesn't think her fake death will negatively affect anyone and also doesn't realise the power, influence and privilege she has over other people and how much they defer to her and base their lives around what she says. While being made to feel less than the other diamonds in status, she was still indulged even by White Diamond as the darling entertainer and the spoilt child, she has always been taken care of while still being a leader to the gems under her, she was raised to not even consider others' feelings or to realise how much her everyday life was based around an expectation of others serving her. Thus in her becoming captivated by the wonder of Earth, it made sense to her that, feeling like the least important of them, she'd never be missed by the diamonds, and that there was no reason why her desires should not be met, just as others had swarmed to accommodate them, or to have consequences for others, no reason to consider why she shouldn't have what she wanted. She is basically a lesson in massive privilege.
Good video, but there’s just one thing you said that I didn’t agree with, which is that Pink Diamond was on equal footing with the other diamonds. In the episode, “Can’t Go Back”, you see how the other diamonds treat her. They may SAY that she’s equal, but they certainly DON’T TREAT her like an equal. They told her to just “smile and wave”, which tells us that Pink had no real power or authority. On paper, Pink was just as important, but that scene showed us that the other three diamonds held real power, not her. Other than that minor little detail, you made some good points.
Of course, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was another major revelation down the line that casts Pink/Rose in a better light, such as Yellow Diamond suspecting that Pink was “off-colour” and if proven correct, Pink would’ve been shattered for real.
The diamonds sounded like they were talking to a child in that flashback. "Making Excuses" "Just Smile and Wave" "We gave you a colony like you wanted"... I wouldn't be surprised if they also controlled Pink's Gems too. Pink could of told her Gem's not to fight but her 'Big sisters' would of probably poofed them if they did.
K but seriously Steven Universe fooled ALL OF US for 6 Seasons with a damn camera angle. The gem was just sideways this whole time!?!?
Tafari TV Nah, the pointy side is insode of him. That's why you can't see it.
Tafari TV
That's what a *plotwist* is suppose to do.
Fooled all of us? Tell that to the people we all made fun of for coming up with this stupidass theory years ago.
Rebecca Sugar you mad mad genius
Tafari TV we've have been M E G A goofed
man people are writing books in the comments
I did... I bet hardly anyone read it, wish I could make a response video but sigh
+Norman Normal
For all the sudden all people here became an author, great influence SU!
Norman Normal I know right it’s like an essay that never ends
my favourite part of this is how you're so outraged and mad that you clap and stuff and it can be heard in the audio 😂
I thought the same, he was really upset 😂😂
Steven is half diamond and greg ... Omg greg is the luckiest human in Steven universe
To fu@k a cold, heartless, manipulative, murderous, falsifying, destructive, selfish sociopath? Sure.
Trellie s.s. Rose true true but....... its not his fault he didn't know
+DarkForestSJ That's still some pretty bad luck.
@@TrelliessRose heartless? Some of those and incorrect.
@@lawpwetheslayer5069 I wrote that a *year* ago, before I saw the next few episodes.
I think she created this "Rose Quartz" personna because she wanted to look like a hero, she wanted to feel recognition. She was a child who wanted to show she was great. She probably felt like shit when she realised she couldn't even keep her colony because of her feelings. I don't think that what she did is goodbut I understand her.
She killed thousand for sure. Did she do it for fun though? I think that in her bratty egoistical mind, these lives were the price to pay for freedom. She could have shapeshifted into Thanos for all that matter...
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I agree~
CutieMoli I completely agree. She helped many gems to become themselves and fight back tho.
I think she also wanted to make the other diamonds feel shook, to let them know that they are not invincible and that they can't always have things their way.
I'd like to give Pearl major credit in this episode. Think about what she actually did here. She DEFIED her Diamond for real by revealing the truth to Steven. She took a circuitous approach to get around the wording, but she did it! Whether she was or not before, she really is her own Pearl now.
I have a theory that PD saw Steven was confused about Pink Diamond and so she gave Steven the diamond dream in Can't Go Back as wanting to tell him. Perhaps she felt that it was also time for Pearl's seal to end so maybe this is why PD didn't show Steven what actually happened but wanted Pearl to do so, knowing that this would end the seal
Pearl did say “I WANTED to tell you for so long.” And we do see pearl always putting her hands over his mouth.
Jasper: Yellow and blue told me enough, they told me that you killed her, you killed pink diamond.
Rose: No... I am pink diamond.
Jasper: Noooooooo!!
When greg and blue diamond was talking how they lost someone they love, they were actually just talking about the same person 😂
oh golly gee
I was shocked! But in my eyes it made sense.
Pink Diamond/Rose Quarts had a colony on earth so she must've interacted with a human or two that inspired her to want to live a free life and to help other gems realise this. But she came to the conclusion that she wouldn't be able to do so being a diamond. So she got her pearl in on her ideas and her entire plan. Including the part where she made another identity for herself. Kinda like the faking-your-death thing to live a new life!
Man I love Steven Universe!
Okay, I've been thinking about it...and there's something else that rubbed me the wrong way:
The implication what Pink did makes her WORSE than the other Diamonds...I'm sorry, but that REALLY rubs me the wrong way.
Pink may have WANTED to be a conqueror before she actually got Earth, she changed her mind. Yes maybe thousands suffered...but we outright SEE Yellow Diamond performing a PLANETARY GENOCIDE with all the investment of a boring office job in Jungle Moon.
And the murals show ALL three Diamonds have done that.
So how is manipulating and lying to people in an attempt to SAVE billions of people anywhere NEAR as unforgivable as multiple counts of PLANETARY GENOCIDE? Especially when Rose clearly feels REMORSE for her actions.
Greg: I don't even know you.
Rose: That's a GOOD thing.
The other Diamonds? Yellow treated the invasion in Jungle Moon like it was a boring office job. She felt NOTHING to her. To her the species they were annihilating were a bug infestation. And given they rule an entire GALAXY, in all likelihood the planets on their murals are the tip of the iceberg.
Note, I'm not saying this makes the Diamonds BEYOND redemption. I don't feel they ARE, especially not Blue at this point since on some level she can acknowledge humanity doesn't deserve to die.
What I'm saying is it genuinely rubs me the wrong way to say 'this person who did morally ambiguous or grey things in an attempt to save the Earth' is somehow worse that 'people who remorselessly commit planetary genocide multiple times over without a moment's regret'.
If Rose doesn't deserve forgiveness, NONE of the Diamonds do PERIOD. 'The Diamonds aren't in the wrong' implies they've done nothing wrong, but they HAVE. They'd done a LOT of wrong.
I'm sorry, I love your videos, but that genuinely rubs me the wrong way and I DO NOT agree with it AT ALL.
I agree. None of the Gems were forced into this. And what we fail to realise is that everyone has their reasons for everything they do. Pink was treated as less by Yellow, she couldn't treat life on her colony as less. And would the gems have accepted her if she came out as Pink Diamond. Ruby and Sapphire would quit outright, because they are already loyal to Blue. Plus she needed the troops, and if she was found out to have led the rebellion against her own sisters she would have become the defective diamond and could have been shattered. Honestly this just sounds like needless whining from someone who wants this Whodunnit trope to be dragged on and on. Now this is not to say I don't like the videos. I do. I wouldn't have subscribed if I did. But his point of argument is just silly
You know what I like? The fact that Blue and Gregg were talking about the exact same person XDDD. It's sad yes but it's fricken all the more beautiful.
I agree, Rose or should I say Pink Diamond did what she thought was right, and with experience that can change. When she got earth as a colony she changed into Rose quartz, and yes she lied but as you said to protect billions
Well she started a war and fuking betrayed her own species. You can argue that what the gems were doing was worse but they dont have a choice, a gem is born by devouring the life around where its planted. Wether they want it or not. Plus now that they didnt get the earth the gem empire is dwindeling and apparently dying. That war as put her whole species in jeopardy. So yeh, nice job Pink, you did bad
Agree, I hate when they call Pink Diamond/Rose evil. She's not. She's just a child but didn't have bad intentions at all.
Anyone watching this after seeing what she did to poor Spinel?
fuckin rose
Rose is the true villian
I am!
I hate that ho (pink diamond)
Me! She’s so horrible and it’s confirmed by Rebecca.
There is no such thing as a good war, humans are saved, but gems are killed - greg
Steven Universe In a Nutshell:
Steven: Do I have Powers?
Crystal Gems: No
Steven: Yes!
(Later)
Steven:Did Mom Really Shatter Pink Diamond?
Theorists: No
Steven: YES
(Later)
Steven: I need answers.
Everyone: No
Steven: Yes!
(Later)
Pink: I wanna get a Colony!
Yellow: Pink, No.
Pink: Pink, Yes!
(Later)
Pink: I change my Mind. I want my Colony Free.
Blue: Pink, No.
Pink: Pink, Yes!
(Later)
Pink: Pearl, I want to fake my own death.
Pearl: My Diamond, No.
Pink: Your Diamond, Yes!
(Later)
Pink/Rose: I wanna have a baby!
Crystal Gems: No.
Pink/Rose: Yes!
(Later)
Steven: I want MOAR answers.
Crewniverse: No.
Steven: Yes!
(Later)
Crewniverse: Rose is Pink Diamond.
The Diamonds: No
Everyone:
Steven/Rose/PD: I regret everything
You forgot About fusion
This should be a meme
The bee movie script, Steven universe style.
YES
What I will say about pearl being programed to love PD, is as I said in my stardust reaction, I think she was originally WD's pearl but was given to Pink as a gift so maybe Pink treated her so much better then WD. I could see WD treating her as a shiny toy (as Peridot said before) but Pink saw her as a friend.
Beautifully A Threat
Pink Diamond all she ever wanted was Lov and Respect from her fellow diamonds.
Red Diamond yeah! She was probably neglected by the others.
Yeah. I still believe our Pearl is WD's pearl. Especially because the Pearls' gem placement and colour corresponded with their respective diamonds. Our Pearl looks pretty white and her gem is on her forehead. She even wore the pink diamond symbol on her belly to help her look like PD's pearl. I still think there is still more to the story.
I belive Pearl was a hand-me-down gem: first serving White, then Yellow, later Blue and finally Pink (before watching a single pale rose i thought Pink Diamond dumped Pearl and she was salvaged by Rose but now that i saw it i know now Pink never abandoned her); and i think Pink Diamond threated Pearl better than the other diamonds by the looks of her interactions with Rose
I think so too. All the colors on her outfit suggest she might be a hand-me-down pearl.
She literally left a tarnished legacy on her son who was innocent 😇 and never asked for any of that
What do you think of naruto's dad
How many parent in anime, cartoon and real life did that? Alot
Shut up and stop blaming stuff on pink diamond. "
@@fredbeard9548 Crying pink diamond fan
She never wanted that, she just wanted a kid. She didn't think and or didn't want Steven to go through that. People need to really understand what they're talking about
Im glad that Rose was "ruined" for the haters. It's a deconstruction of the perfect angelic messiah archetype often given to female characters. No flaws, human wants or greed, no mistakes; the "Mary Sue". This story is just as about Rose "growing up" as it is Steven's coming of age story.
Pink Diamond was not equal to the other diamonds; she was treated like a child. Repeatedly asking the others to stop colonizing Earth fell on deaf ears. Demanding that letting the humans live and Gems to forsake their caste class would have had an even worse outcome. Doing nothing would have killed all organic life on Earth.
The Crystal Gems were willing to die to defend the earth and liberate themselves. It wasn't a fake war, the whole goal was to get the rest of the Diamonds to leave Earth and the defected Gems alone. Her mistake was assuming that the rebels killing off a Diamond would scare the rest of Homeworld off.
Finally someone said it! I love fucked up characters - they’re more unpredictable
The more we learned about Rose, the more her image as a 'Saint who can do no wrong' is broken. The Crystal Gems put her in a high standard and will defend her whenever ill will is thrown her way. I started to notice that Rose wasn't what she seemed after 'Rose's Scabbard' where she didn't tell anyone about Lion or his dimensional abilities.
That could be excused but after 'Bismuth', I began to realize that RQ wasn't the saint that she was built up to be. I began to suspect that she was a coward or at least not able to make good adult decisions, like locking Bismuth away and RQ lying about it because she possibly couldn't deal with the consequences.
Almost like what a child would do.
When we learned more about Pink Diamond and finding her to be the runt of the group, which I don't think anyone suspected. Prior to the reveal, we all thought PD was beloved and was a tyrannical goddess.
We now know that RQ/PD were painted in ways that were not fully true.
RQ/PD staged her death so she would be free from the Diamonds and live on the Crystal Gem's "planet". Not the human's planet or the Earth, but just the CG's planet. Depending whether or not humans existed or not, it still incredibly naive that the Diamonds will just leave Earth alone.
We now know that RQ/PD made terrible and somewhat childish choices that resulted in catastrophic and torturous events that impacted Gem life. The rebellion, the Cluster, the corrupted Gems, all of it was because of her reckless and half-baked decisions.
Also whenever or not she knew about Pearl's feelings, is up in the air. But if she did, it's possible that she kept quiet because it would be uncomfortable and she didn't know how to handle it. Then she selfishly fell in love with Greg and bore a child with him, despite knowing that Pearl was infaturated with her. Not saying selfish in a bad way but if she did bear a child knowing that it will kill her and cause 'her' Pearl emotional harm, that is selfish.
Whether Steven's birth was redemption by committing seppuku so she'll pay for her decision making and everything that was done to the CG or if it was just a way to escape from the hole she dug because of her emotional immaturity.
To me Rose/Pink is a child. She seems to have a childish worldview, ignorant to the consequences of her action (if she did know, then maybe she just didn't care), does whatever she wants but is remembered as a being who could do no wrong, from ironically both sides of the war.
RQ/PD is an interesting character with all of this in my head, so I hope that the reveal causes legitimate conflict within the CG. While the show has dealt with character conflict before and succeeds, this is something that was a long time coming and can't be ignored by the CG, any longer.
That Rose Quartz was not perfect.
Rixarts I honestly agree with you on everything and all in all I know alot of people hate pink for what she did but I personally dont hate her but I wouldnt say I like her either I'm just interested in her because as stated she is meant to be seen as the child in diamonds someone who doesnt quite know what she wants and cant clearly see how her plans could backfire. I really hate some of the decisions she made but when I think about it I just end up thinking she is like a child so she may not know any better. She just seems to do what she thinks is right/ what she wants but doesnt always think things through like with fake her own "death". She thought she would be free but didnt realize the severity of it meanwhile a bunch of are looking at her like wtf of course its gonna fall flat no way in hell would it work. But then again she is probably not capable of seeing the whole situation because she couldn't quite capacitate. Anyways yes she is an interesting character and honestly thinking about how this theory came through I dont think the show would have been better off with a different scenarios cause thinking back on it. This makes a bit more sense than if rose and pink were two different characters. The impact wouldn't be as strong. Imma stop rambling now XD
I agree that the reveal made Rose a more compelling character, since she was described as being the ultimate saint, who doesn't do anything wrong. But with the more we know about her away from what the Crystal Gems tell us, breaks that archetype. Showing us that even Rose Quartz has flaws and that the Diamonds have the capacity for love, which suspends the good vs evil theme.
Never thought about it that way. I guess the Diamonds do represent an emotion, but still waiting on white.
Based on her actions, thats a safe bet
I believe she had insecurities which allowed her to connect with the inferior humans.
Pink Diamond was the little sister and would of been walked all over by the others dude...... seriously the colony would of been made either way if Pink stood her ground.
Pink couldn't predict that the others could do the Corruption attack.
I get your point, but Pink isn't omnipotent and couldn't of known what would happen and she was more short sighted.
Karst96 If she had the supposed foresight to see that standing her ground for Earth against the other Diamonds would go nowhere, then as a diamond herself she most certainly could've known they had the ability to corrupt and would use it if an uprising occurred and killed their fellow diamond. As a diamond herself she certainly would know what the diamonds are capable of.
Pink couldn't predict that the others could do the Corruption attack. , did she really not think that killing a diamond wouldnt make them get some kind of backlash?
probably not, she has the mind set of a child, kids who don't really see love in the form of affection sometimes don't know that they are loved. Pink probably thought none of the other diamonds cared about her or else they would have listened to her unfortunately she was wrong and they cared deeply enough to do the corruption attack in retaliation
I relate to Pink diamond a lot.
Being raised by "bad"/controlling influences,
Abandoning relationships/people we got bored with,
Being childish, selfish, naive. The list goes on.
I find Pink diamond to be an extremely interesting character. I don't think she's as evil as people claim she is. I wish there will be more about her in the new season of SU.
so you let your son suffer your actions and let the people around you suffer too and you see everyone as animals too you cause that's what pink
ose is
this comment aged like milk
there was a lot more about her in steven universe future & the movie! a lot more bad stuff 💀
@@DeathcrudeCommentary it aged fine, she is not evil at all. she made mistakes in the past but she never was evil or malicious
@@KT-lj3hl LMFAO lol ok boo whatever you say 😂😂😂😂
Imagine the delusion😭😭😭
Why is it that VGMarkis is the only guy making videos who has handled this twist at all maturely? Seriously with this?
Look, the entire point of this was that Pink was young and stupid and made the wrong choices, and it's overwhelmingly obvious that she's painfully aware of how much trouble her choices made. It's *why* she wanted to forget, it's *why* she wanted to start over, it's *WHY SHE WANTED TO BE STEVEN.* It's clear she's been carrying a huge amount of guilt for *thousands of years.*
As much she yells until she's pink in the face that she's on equal footing with the other Diamonds, she clearly isn't, and that fact only got further and further rubbed home as the colony project dragged on far longer than expected. She set up the human zoo probably as a plan A to save *some* humans, and then set up this rebellion as a half-hearted way of avoiding a direct conflict with the Diamonds. She probably seriously thought the Diamonds would be scared of someone who could shatter them and just leave because she clearly didn't understand how much they actually cared about her, and she almost certainly didn't know about the mind-nuke. She also probably figured that they would have destroyed the zoo, not counting again on how much the Diamonds would mourn her.
But the most important thing of all that you and everyone else except VGMarkis is ignoring is that *THIS IS CLEARLY CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT--WHY ARE YOU PUNISHING THE SHOW FOR HAVING THE CHARACTER MAKE MISTAKES IN HER PAST THAT SHE'S TRYING TO REDEEM HERSELF FOR?!* Bismuth's line about how Steven really IS better than Rose was *not an accident--it's supposed to be ENTIRELY TRUE.* Rose is a flawed character who knew how flawed she was, and Steven is Rose's *redemption.*
Yeah this video came off as super childish and short-sighted to me. Either that or it's some master-tier bait lol.
Or you could view her conception of Steven as her running away from her problems as Steven is NOT actually her and therefore cannot be her redemption. I really don't like this 'She's a child' mentality, as if that excuses her actions. A child committing atrocious acts should be punished just as much as an adult doing something of the same magnitude. She broke several hearts, endangered here entire army and lied to everyone for thousands of years, she isn't a good person and never will be. Steven has made it clear he is not her, and I don't think he'll ever want to be.
Agreed. I've seen 3 videos that seek to completely villify everything to do with Rose Quartz/PD and it's kinda getting on my nerves. Pink Diamond wanted to save her planet, that's why she kept making excuses to keep from establishing the colony. It's all right there. She tried to delay the other two diamonds the entire time, "there are too many humans", "Their cities are too difficult to dismantle", She's been looking for a way to avoid the destruction of the planet ever since she became aware of her own interest in humanity, or organic life in general.
Yeah she was selfish at first, she was a diamond. She LEARNED. but instead of thinking about that, all I've seen is video after video of how she is truly evil, but... this show is about forgiveness?
Vox is definitely not innocent on this either, This video as well as the last, he wants hell to happen in SU now, because I know for a fact that he didn't want PD to still be alive in ANY form, let alone being Rose Quartz
thank you!!! a lot of the popular theorists seem to be looking at this in a very short sighted way. it’s driving me crazy to see so many people missing the point!
z1pper intheback
No, Steven is Rose's way of running away from her problems. She set all of this stuff up, she is responsible for all this death and misery, and then she runs away like a coward so she doesn't have to face the music. In fact, it's even worse; she leaves alllll this shit for *Steven* to deal with. She is by far the worst character on the show now; not to mention a terrible mother for ever even thinking about bringing a child into the picture to face all of this shit. It's disgusting.
Remember the whole point of Steven's arc coming to grips that he was not his mother? Where's that now, eh? Is that suddenly retconned? Now he's suddenly his mother?
Pink Diamond is a child, she didn't think of the consequences and din't think ahead. she just did whatever she wanted.
Maybe this is a subtle message that not everybody is nice, and that people are manipulative and there there are consequences to actions?
"You know Rose...
She always did what she wanted"
haha...ha...ha
I loved this twist (Sorry if you disagree) but I thought this both explained so much and shined a lot more meaning into a lot of the characters actions. I'm fine with this though I see a lot of people are salty
i liked it as well, and it's 2018, the internet is saltier then the ocean
Vegeta and Gajeel this is my thought almost exactly, happy someone else thought the same way :)
Definitely glad someone thought this.......the thought of no consequences because she was too young to understand she makes reactions to her actions and just wanted to do what she wanted...in conclusion being "evil" without even meaning to. And even with that, she would have been "evil" either way, because if she didn't want to do what she wanted and remained a diamond leader, she would have been mixed in with the rest of the hostile diamonds....and SU would have never been made.....*slow shrugs* want to judge her judgement, but her choices made something amazing out of alot of turmoil.
I was Very Shocked but it was Good. I am still shook about Avengers Infinity War...
People, please he is right. The creators worked hard on this show. I don't mind this plot twist, I mean really you didn't have a problem till this point. If you are heavily invested, like me, I want to see where this goes from here on.
AS much as being a fusion destroys any independence in Garnet's character and makes her not feel like a character, i'm sure Garnet was actually pretty frightened too by Rose being PINK DIAMOND.
I think we are blowing this out of proportion a little. Yes pink diamond may have made some bad choices and is a bad person, but no one is that black and white. Pink said in jungle moon she was just as important, but was she really? She didn't have her own colony, she acts like a child, and she is just physically smaller than the other diamonds. How could she have the same importance? The other diamonds talk down to her, just saying "smile and wave and everything with fall into line." Blue diamond silences her when she tries to speak. Pink at that point KNOWS there is no changing their minds.
Another thing, yes she was very manipulative to pearl. I think the silence was forced and Pearl physically couldn't speak about it, which is really messed up. But to say Pink didn't care at all for pearl is an understatement. Yea she didn't love her, but they had to have been very close still. Pink became obsessed with organic life, how it grows and changes. She wanted to protect it, investigate it, learn and become one with it. The very thought of wanting to protect organic life is completely ridiculous to every other gem.
I don't think Pink knew about corruption. As someone who commanded both sides of the war, both the crystal and homeworld gems, she would know how to manipulate things in her favor and make the crystal gems victorious. But if she knew about corruption, wouldn't she have warned everyone? She could have thought of some excuse of "oh we found information that they are going to do bad stuff so everyone bubble yourselves and protect yourself." But no, she last minute pulled garnet and pearl behind her shield.
Rose may be the antagonist, but she’s already defeated...by Greg 15 years ago.
Omg lol
How do you do a lenny Pls. help me
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Do you type a word to do that?
This reveal is actually genius. Just like all the characters are broken over this, broken over everything they ever knew about their own cause being flipped upside down, so are we. We're meant to feel like this, and I like it. The show is connecting with us on a whole new level, where we feel the exact same as the characters.
I guess Lars was right back in SU season 1.
“This is all because of your weird mom!” - Lars
@Squidward yeah pink diamond is a bitch lol
@Squidward steven: I can't BELIEVE she should would do that to u ... Who am I KIDDING of course I can
Heavenbeetle honestly tho
There wouldn't be any Steven universe serise if not of her actions.
@Cherry Mae Raviz No one is a angel in this show, that's the point. No one is evil nor perfect. Pink was immature but eventually DID mature and tried to fix what she had done.
I don't deny that she's a bad character but I feel like we're making a bunch of assumptions about what Pink was aware of. Based on how she was treated in jungle moon and I can't go back, the diamonds don't treat her like an equal they seem almost indifferent to her supposed struggles with the planet. We don't know how much time has passed between the Pink we see in jungle moon and the Pink we see in a single pale rose but it could be thousands of years. So her entire disposition could have changed in that time. she's categorically an off color so she would eventually recognize herself as flawed by having to constantly compare herself to the other diamonds. Based on the two episodes, I don't think Pink thought that the other diamonds cared about her at all. I think she truly thought they would consider the planet a waste of time if she was no longer around. Which is incredibly sad in my book, it means Pink is someone who's felt so ostracized by her family that she thought they wouldn't care if she died.
It was a ploy that she was "struggling" with the colony- she was trying at that point to get the Diamonds disinterested in Earth colonization, trying to make it seem as unviable as possible.
BlackHayateTheThird I know that. but the diamonds didn't, she's coming to them for help and they are outright refusing to get involved and care about her or her problems, even if they are manufactured
TeaCup Simmer i still think she nice at the end of the day it's my opinion..
Mrs.vegeta Diamond I think she's the embodiment of child-like wonder. Which, in children, is adorable and can lead them to being kinder and gentler than adults. However, children aren't good at leading. They can inspire but it's hard for them to actually take responsibility and learn what it means to be unselfish. I don't think Pink was horrible. I think she's the type of person who walks through a crowded room with their arms out, but never realizes their hurting people. They never recognize that their actions have consequences that they may not be equipped to deal with.
Probably is, if you look at her size on Jungle Moon and her size at pearl memory, she was double the size by her own. So, I think all the gems grows, they start small. Amethist on the first flashback with greg was so small compared to her now. This may be the reason why Steven isn't growing as fast as we want, because Amethist had years to grow more, and Pink Diamond eons. So, probably the Rose quartz Room will be more explored right now.
You forgot about what she did to poor bismuth.
The Amazon Prince free my nigga bismuth man she didn’t do nothin
For what it's worth, the show explicitly acknowledges that not even informing people about what happened with Bismuth was not the right thing for Rose to do. And it just hit me that in both then and with this reveal, she's lying about someone dying.
Bubbling bismuth was absolutely the right thing to do
Rose did her dirty by not telling anyone, but Steven poofed her too, and the others agreed when he told them
Lazypackmule Actually I don't believe bubbling Bismuth was the right thing to do. Since we know now that Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond, she probably bubbled Bismuth because Bismuth would have gotten in the way of Rose Quartz staging her shattering. Keep in mind that Bismuth said that her sword can destroy the physical form of a gem, but never the gem itself. With this in mind, Pink Diamond knew, that if Bismuth were to see the staging of the shattering, Bismuth would disregard it as fake, and the plan would fail completely. And since Bismuth knows that she can't destroy a gem's physical form, she probably tried to do it before, hence why she has that form of knowledge in the first place. So as soon as Pink Diamond heard of this information, and Bismuth shared her plan of shattering the Diamonds, she didn't bubble her because it was wrong, she did it so homeworld gems who saw the fake shattering would believe the sword actually was capable of hurting a Diamond. That's why Bismuth said that Steven was better than Rose, because he was the only person to know shattering gems, even diamonds, nomatter how evil they are, was a bad thing. Pink Diamond doesn't care about the diamonds, and would go at many lengths if it meant that she could live on earth forever, even if she had to shatter, herself. So in my opinion, Bismuth took her plan too far, but Rose bubbled her for an entirely different reason. To make gems believe that the sword was that powerful and capable of inflicting great damage to gems, even diamonds.
not telling the gems about her was not the right call, as the show itself shows, but everything else? no, Bismuth was at that point practically INSANE, regardless of it'd even work or not, Bismuth was outright more or less planning to commmit GENOCIDE on all non-crystal gems, not JUST the diamonds. SHe was willing to cross a line that Rose Quartz/Pink Diamond never truly crossed: murder, and refused to listen to ANY arguement against this plan.
Bismuth is bubbled with the corrupted gems for one reason: she's too dangerous and the gemshave no other way of dealing with her for now. Hell if she found out the truth about Pink she might get WORSE.
It kills me seeing Garnet and Amethyst’s face realizing that the person they were following to keep them safe was the one who was actively putting them in danger.
"My Pearl" was a sign of affection. You only say "My" to your higher ups
Just realized Greg and Blue Diamond miss the same person.
Huh I didn't realize that.
At least we know that diamonds can fuse.
And shapeshift
I really want to see yellow diamond fuse with blue diamond
Why would we have ever doubted that? They are Gems just like all the others of their species.
question:
how is it that when either steven or rose fuse with someone (pearl and amethyst) create a kind of quartz? if she was a diamond all this time
Scarlet Aries that's because rose (pink diamond) COMPLETY changed her gem to a rose quartz.
*So those Crazy theorists were right. PINK DIAMOND IS ROSE QUARTZ WTF*
Feel bad for not agreeing with those people saying that lol
Fiery Flames I was just like you up until after the pink diamond flashback on Jungle Moon in which is came up to my thought again.
I thought bismuth made a attachment for her sword to be able to shatter gems
Rose Quarts always had the most amazing shield ever! It was way too odd that only she had the shield to completely block a diamond’s fused attack if she was suppose to be “regular solder gem”. She even had the ability to give beings their immortality and cause them to become absolutely powerful solders.
In the end, Pink Diamond still believed that love was out of anyone's control and Gems should be whatever they wanted to be.
So what are blue yellow and white to Steven? His grandmothers, sisters, aunts
Jalen Alford let's go with aunts. It sounds funnier
Enemy's (till he makes them play nice)
Think of it like Cinderella and her step sisters
I still refuse to believe that Rose/Pink Diamond was ever a selfish monster, but I do agree that she made some very questionable decisions that lead to a lot of serious consequences.
Cure Hana, Rebecca stated rose was a terrible person.
This is why.
No, they stated that she was a 'grey' character. Not being a good person doesn't automatically mean that you are a terrible person, that's just seeing in black and white.
Cure Hana me tooo
Yep
Cure Hana yeah
So Bismuth spoke some truth via: “Then you really are better than her.”
I stopped watching the show a while back but i hated/mistrusted Rose since day one. She was always manipulative af and way too worshiped by everyone as some messiah. She "liked dangerous things." This? This is like my bday and christmas together. Imma be smug for ages.
Alicia B 😂😂
I kid you not I got into a super heated argument with one of my previous roommates over whether or not Rose was a sociopath. There were so many situations early on that showed it. I thought I was the only one waiting for the sweet reveal that she wasn't some virtuous saint that was being way too worshiped by the community.I love that people are finally seeing that rose has a rotten personality. So yeah I'm feeling pretty smug about it too.
Alicia B BIG MOOD! i honestly never bought rose as being the perfect leader of a group of rebels, she always seemed off. the reveal that not only was she a liar, but also a hypocrite and killer, made my day lmao
Being smug can lead to being hated by.....let me think
EVERYONE
Alicia B same here. Something about Rose always rubbed me the wrong way, same feeling I get from a lot of people who end up being bad. It's satisfying to have your feelings confirmed
For a good amount of time I had your same opinion, especially about the Pearl situation and how she was indeed abused on her trust and love...but I’ve also come to a conclusion.
RQ/PD is not evil, is childish and immature. Notice in Jungle Moon how she’s not teached the point of why her tantrum is wrong, hell she’s even given a great colony, according to Peridot. Once she has it she discover life is wonderful, but all she hears is about the colony and to complete it. Would have she protested or not, she would not have been listened, she was probably even allowed the compromise of the zoo or the tantrum of bubbling all the other RQ ( I hope a reason is given about that ).
So she thinks in the wrong way, she starts to be Rose, and now is Rose that is ignored by the Diamonds, and sanctified by the Crystal. Yes Sanctified, because Rose was nothing short than that for them.
So she sees in her immature ways this is working, someone finally loves her for what she is and not the rank, but at the same time the Diamonds ignore her pleas as both. Sonshe takes the most immature choice ever: to be done as Diamond, thinking that would end the war and then let her live as Rose the Saint.
You know what happens next, but here’s the problem: in her mind Rose can do no wrong, that’s how she’s depicted, even we before the episode still though she was not perfect, but still the good rebel leader wo saved earth and made the Crystal Gems.
We have a case of someone who the only place who recieved a no was from the Diamonds, and usually followed still getting her cake. Her relationship with Greg got serious only when he demanded seriousness, made her realize the difference between actual partners and just the novelty he was, when he told her how to make this work.
RQ/PD is depicted as a childish, immature person that everyone held, in a way or another, in too much esteem to make her realize things that now Steven, not having this “holier than thou” shield, understood and that made him mature in the wonderful and truly caring protagonist we have.
And yet sometimes, like the trial, he still takes some decision that are wrong, but he has people who teached them to not run from the problems and that made him mature and grow. I don’t need spoilers to know Steven is gonna fix this hell that Rose left behind.
But I also wish to see Rose’s side. I think it’s unfair to judge a character without her side of the story, especially considering we don’t have the full picture. Like how many Pearl actions that we found exaggerated are now justified and makes us feel even sorry for her, I feel that saying “ Rose is evil “ before even considering all the possibilities of the scenario.
Oh, and that doesn’t mean she should not actually say she’s sorry. Everything IS indeed her fault, willingly or not, and she should have taken different approaches. Is due time someome would explain her that running doesn’t solve anything and to make amends with the people she hurt...although I feel she may become this “ wrong character “, I feel the serie will take the road of Steven having to fix what her mother broke and helping everyone move from the saint and find their own peace...like he’s pretty much doing from day one actually.
Awesome analysis, CrowMercury
List of all the people pink diamond hurt : everyone
Death Has you *B U T Y O U H U R T E V E R Y O N E*
Time to revisit the "Storm In the Room" angst, oops-
Time to look at all episodes that even mentioned rose and try to find the foreshadowing/ deeper meaning
I have a few mini quotes that foreshadowed that Rose was a fake identity (based on a post somewhere):
"I'm... not... a real person." (Rose Quartz, in "We Need to Talk")
"Don't be silly... Rose Quartz isn't real...!" (Fluorite, in "Your Mother and Mine")
The crewniverse turned the entire fandom into ranaldo
Richard Jones you took the words right out of my mouth lol
And that's why I always appreciated his character. He's basically us XD.
hahaha ikr? I'm not a personal fan of Ronaldo, but damn if it isn't us I swear XD
The way I see it, Pink is not evil, just childlike and naive. She didn't think about the longterm consequences of her actions.
Maybe both. She was raised as a diamond to believe nobody else mattered except to cater to her whims. She could be unaware, or she could be incredibly racist as per Gem culture - seeing all other gems as being there to serve the whims of the diamonds, their only desire in return being to bask in their radiance.
after watching the movie i sadly have to say that pink is a cunt
@@RagFan63 cunt? yes.
evil? No
The movie is gonna change that thought
Excuses, excuses, excuses...
It's not manipulation or unwillingness. Pearl physically can't answer.
Dragon Dude Collecting good pointtttt
She could communicate otherwise. Like writing this story without adding real names but rather making it transperent enough for others to to catch a reference, for example. And what stoped her from sending Steven into her mind earlier?
and Pink Diamond caused that, so it's all Pink's fault
Nekto Inoi because Steven never had a reason to want to do so.
If she said for Steven to jump in her pearl, she wouldn't be able to say why she wanted him to do it and Steven wouldn't know the right question to ask to go further in.
Is that meant to be better?
Something everyone forgot: In the episode with the human zoo, pearl opens the door for everyone knowing the password for every door without anyone telling her what the password is. A person would only know the password if she is Pink Diamond's pearl or she used to be in the zoo
Luke Denielle the regular doors probably just had a fancy mechanism akin to a doorknob. The zoo door may have been the only password protected door, having a password changed by blue when she took control of it.
Saying, Pink Diamond, is the only villain is kinda nullifying the fact that the diamonds enslave any and all race that isn't theirs across the universe. Call it survival of the fittest or natural selection but that still can be considered an evil conquest.
His salt is undeniable.. he start talking total bollocks in his inability to accept the facts.
Faceless Fan
They enslave their own race too, really.
You know who *else* Pink Diamond screwed over?
*_MY MO--_*
I just hope the crewniverse shows pink trying harder to stop earths colonization, only to be forced to colonize it by white diamond herself “or else”.
Maybe solidify her as the “runt”, someone who has no actual power and is just a figurehead. Someone weaker, less powerful, and less respected.
Then I think it’d be better, but it’d put the diamonds in a worse light.
Also. Free Bismuth. Thank you.
Jair Artis dude. She is a diamond.she is the biggest class of all gems.sure pink may have been the weakest diamond ,but being a diamond should power wise still put her above all other forms of gems like quartez topazes etc.in one of garnet flashbacks ,she took all the crystal gems toe to toe .she was totally strong dude.she had more abilities than the common gems and diamonds are just naturaly the strongest . So by extension,steven should be the strongest crystal gem now
Marin Eduard don't forget that Steven is a diamond to he is pink diamond by saying this Steven should have been the leader of the crystal gems also because technically rose, pink whatever her name is shaped shipped into Steven.
Divine Wix3029 yeah kinda.aldo he legally owns the moon earth,the zoo and an army
Vox I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with everything you just said, especially saying the Diamonds weren't wrong. I am all for the talk of how Rose's actions caused a lot of disarray, but it wasn't for nothing, it wasn't evil or malicious. On twitter I saw you say how Rose isnt comparable to Eclispa, but... she is, not to a T, but we're talking about an alien race of people who are intent on destorying life and colonizing the universe. The diamonds, the gems, are essentially one big race of people set on destroying the lives and oppressing those they feel inferior to them, and Rose rejected this. From the beginning of this video you gloss over this, the weight of what Rose REJECTING colonization means. Rose Quartz's character was all about loving and respecting life and learning what it meant to truly be alive and give people, humans, gems that oppourtunity.
When we timeline it and we see Rose/Pink Diamond, someone who is seen ultimately as a child, and how she'd grown up, matured, and changed from brattily asking for a colony to wanting to protect it... it's INCREDIBLY important.
She was given what she wanted, and she immediately wanted to protect, learn and cherish it. And it took a very long time for her to properly appreciate what it meant to live on Earth and respect humans, but she cared, she cared to learn and let people live, she sacrified her life for Steven's because that's all she stands for, the right to life.
She had no way of knowing the Diamonds, the Diamonds who did nothing but berate, scold, and diminish her, would fire back, and really kill everyone in a single blow. Every gem had a choice. Every single one, and they chose to fight for freedom like she did.
Now do I feel bad for Pearl? Absolutely, thats harsh to go through, but she wasn't manipulated, Pearl had the choice, Rose told her she didn't have to fight, Pearl chose to remain attached and loyal to Rose, Rose Quartz, the one who encouraged her independence and freedom FROM her, and she loved Pearl and Pearl loved her, but Pearl's pain was centered around the chaos caused behind this lie she couldn't share, not the action itself.
It's truly paining me that with the distate for this twist everyone forgot what Rose Quartz stood for and are suddenly only focusing in on who Pink Diamond was. I have a feeling that's what these new episodes are going to cover, but if Pink Diamond hadn't rebelled, no one would have. No gem would have said a word. No gem would be free from this cookie cutter, controlled, and dark and destructive life style, they would all have remainded slaves because that was their job.
Of COURSE it took a Diamond to start a rebellion, if she hadn't who know what would have happened to Earth eventually, no gem would have ever known what it meant to have a free will and live their fullest life.
I am completely disappointed that people are prepared to sympathize with the Diamonds, the colonizers, the Diamonds who were relentless and killed MORE than Rose Quartz ever had as a *petty job* without reason, than with Rose, who ultimately atoned and followed suit with her morals by letting Steven have the oppourtunity to have a life on Earth.
She had no way of knowing what was coming, or what would transpire, she didn't want to look back, it was naive, but her heart was always, constantly, 100% in the place of giving every living being a chance to be their best selves, and no one should forget that.
CelestialTabris well said
Finally, someone gets THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE CARTOON.
Totally agree, thank you !
I so much agree with you.
More importantly now we can focus more on Steven now. He’s not doing what Rose been doing. He’s been marching forward with the life his life given to him. A life his mother could not. No wonder she wanted this so badly.
I mean...
You have a point...
BUT I'LL PROTECC MY FAIRY FLOSS BAB
I loved Rose a LOT
I loved her design
Even i made one picture of her in stained glass as a art project in my school
But, all this reveal and the things in this video are horrible
She didnt fight for the people she loved
She only ran away from her problems
Spinel immediately clicks and likes the video*
I remember the “GreG KILled PiNK diAmONd” jokes
Killed her in bed
Totes McGoats lol its true
i respect all theories about characters but i cant wrap my mind around pink diamond/rose being a villain. A villain, to me, is someone who goes out of their way to cause harm and destruction to someone or something with the intent of causing harm and destruction.
We have seen pink diamond twice: once as a child and with this episode reveal. In Stevens vision, she is a child. I know that gems are "born complete", but they (crewniverse) do everything to show that she is a CHILD--she behaves and looks like one. At this time, she looks up to her sister diamonds and wants to do what they do because that is her world and she admires them.
Now we understand that rose quartz and pink diamond as the same person. She gained this colony as what seems to be a young adult/older teenage, maybe around 19-21 for an age mentality. She has realized that the things on her planet are beautiful--her planet gives gems the ability to be what THEY want to be. She falls in love with the culture, scenery, people, etc., and she wants to protect that. However, with her current status, it can be heavily assumed that she can't convince them to leave the planet alone. She very well could have begged them but we have not seen this in the series. As we saw in the scene of her speaking with Blue+Yellow, we see that they disagree with the Crystal Gems philosophy and want the planet to be destroyed still. That's when we can assume was her turning point and when she made the decision to fake her own death in order to drive the Diamond authority away from the planet.
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However, clearly, she could not predict what would have happened. She wouldn't have known what would have happened when the Diamonds fled and then, as a sucker punch, tried to destroy all of the crystal gem army. She chose to protect her identity in order to prevent the Diamonds from knowing she was still alive and coming back to Earth. She chose to hide her identity from everyone, save for Pearl, to protect them from this knowledge and prevent potential leaks of who she truly was. Most importantly, she WANTED to leave that part of her behind. She didn't want to be a "Diamond" that caused so much destruction and havoc that destroyed worlds and enslaved countless gems... I believe that she underestimated how much Pearl loved her and Pearl is definitely the type to hide her true emotions/feelings (although she flaunts her pride as once being Rose's favorite as we see with Greg in a flashback). All of the stories about Rose Quartz are made up by the Gems on homeworld. All of the stories about Rose Quartz are made up by the Diamonds to prevent others from doing the same rebellions. These stories aren't Rose--these stories are made by a higher power to control everyone below them.. To label her as being evil or a villain based off of these stories, or based off of the consequences on Pearl and the Crystal Gem group that was beyond her control, is unfair to me.
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Yes, she should have been more aware of Pearl. Likewise, Pearl should haven't buried her emotions and ignored them and let them fester to the point where she's "a mess" (as we saw in the pearlception). Yes, she lied to the Crystal Gems about her identity, but this was all to give herself a new life and to prevent others from knowing who she was and coming back to cause more trouble. It was to do more good and protect those around her, and her planet, in the long run. There is no proof or evidence of Pink Diamond/Rose purposely going out to destroy anyone or hurt anyone. And to me THAT'S why she is not a villain. She's made decisions that she unfortunately cannot be around to change or fix, but that's just the reality of it all. It wasn't set up by her with evil or villainous intent.
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I know that some may not agree with this, but this is just my take on it all!
Dumb comment, it was her own damn decision to have Steven and leave everyone with her baggage they had no way to handle on their own. She knew the most out of everyone and kept the most secrets, but you're saying her leaving and having Steven wasn't intentional? That she had no idea all the pain that decision alone would bring all her loved ones? Stop damage controlling this shit character when you can't even present any sound logic for why she isn't a piece of sh*t
Listen to her. Listen to rose. Pink was a *child* still. She was just naive. She genuinely thought pinks death would make em fuck off. She didn't understand how much those two actually loved her.
Exactly,
Agreed
She was like an angsty privileged teen. She thought her death wouldn’t matter to her sisters, because she was very self focused. We can see that from other flashbacks.
she was a child and Steven is her maturing into a better person, one who isn't so naive
The fact that even Rebecca said that she doesn't like Rose
I won't judge until I have more facts. There has to be a reason for all that she did. We have seen the "First" and "Last" PD but not the "Middle" one. In all good stories you cannot hope to understand the tale told by just reading the beginning and the end, the climax of the stories is in the middle and we are still missing that part, so, until then, I will remain neutral. I'm not mad that RQ is PD, I find it intriguing, because now I want to know the WHY of so many things. Everyone is saying that she just had to tell other diamonds that Earth was hers and she could do as she wanted and then everything would be fine, but, are we sure of that? The other diamonds are shown as narrow minded and strict, so maybe if PD said something the others would simply ignore her and take the colony back or could also decided that her whole colony and all the gems she created were defective and shatter them without a second thought. In this scenario, with the "Middle" still missing, it seems that at least PD gave them a chance to fight... There is so much information still missing (I mean, we don't know ANYTHING of the, supposedly, most important gem: WD), so there is no way we can objectively judge the story if we are missing a very important character
So, as I said, I'll remain neutral and expectant, up to this point, I'm really intrigued.
Yeah. I'll wait till more info comes out. I still don't think we clear picture of why she did the things she did and why did them this way.
Thank you. I mean they could at least give her a chance she solved a problem the best Way she could see
I agree that this show is keeping us intrigued and excited for more. That's the mark of a good cartoon with a mystery element.
I disagree, there still is no villain. If the whole point is seeing things from characters point of view, this plot twist is truly going all out on that idea. We still don't know her full reasoning, we still don't know her full journey to this point, we still don't know alot from her POV. Until we do, we can't rush to blaming her.
@Lovely Kitty they hate her because she abandoned Spinel. The other mistakes are just other excuses to hate her, because let's be real. No one really cared about what she did until the Movie came out
AND ANOTHER THING, Garnet was recently struggling with the fact she couldnt predict things right. This is DOWN RIGHT TRAUMATIZING. Just when she thinks she has the problem fixed this curve ball was thrown at her
Yeah...the preview kind of indicates that to be the case.
Time to revisit this after the movie!
"You know who else Pink Diamond screwed over?"
"MY MO--all the other Rose Quartzes!"
I liked the twist, i admit i disregarded the "rose is pink diamond" theory as a joke so it really smacked me in the face!! Haha
I just feel really bad for pearl, thousands of years of devotion (regardless of whether it was love or a servants loyalty) and risking EVERYTHING for a life with rose-diamond....only to be pushed to one side :'( all of her outbursts about Rose make so much more sense and are made so. Much. Sadder.
But overall, while the outcome of pink becoming rose was disasterous...how could she have known? Pink was technically just a kid in diamond years, she brushed off blue and yellow as she didnt think they cared, she probably thought they would just move on and leave the earth. They obviously didnt but who's to say that rose-diamond didnt immediately feel regret and guilt? She may have spent hundreds of years mourning the loss of her soldiers and human life.
From what has been shown, the battle in the strawberry fields was the last time that homeworld had been on earth up until the series start. So im guessing rose-diamond thought it was safe/time to move on and start a new life, leading to steven. So i dont think she was running away, she was just trying to start her life on the planet earth.
Anyway these are just my thoughts but i'd love to hear yours!
I share a similar sentiment. While I agree that a "quick" forgiveness is not a realistic outcome, to hear what was going through Rose-Diamond's mind would help give us a better picture of things. Even to have her acknowledge that she made a lapse of judgement, and that her actions had dire consequences that cost many people a lot, would do her some justice. Honestly, I would chalk her actions to ignorance and inexperience.
To simply say she is a true villain and did all this with malicious intent while we still don't have a lot of information, is a touch premature.
Did Rose-Diam make some poor decisions? Oh yes.
Was she intending to have thousands of gems die? I don't think so; no.
If she is subconsciously aware within Steven's body, does she regret her actions and has thought about how she could have done things differently? I would hope so.
cherryblossom2100 finally! I agree!
Thank you, this is what I’ve been thinking all the time that people don’t seem to realize!
Jeez you put my thoughts into such wonderful wording 😆
Let’s not forget that Steven is a diamond....
Dragongirl 98765
Because hey have the same facet, but different shape. Pink's is a cone, Rose's is just a circle, it's just turned around so they look the same.
Dragongirl 98765 The pointy side of the gem is inside of his bellybutton. In other words, you can't see it.
Dragongirl 98765 I think it's just a diamond ability. It's also probably the reason we've never seen Steven shapeshift his whole body before. He fused, but i can't remember how we saw his gem when that happened. Another thing to think about, is that Steven's gem(diamond in this case) may not be whole because he's half human half gem.
The intro is exactly what I feel about this channel
Now we know why she didn't want to use the shatter device bismuth made
Big Debo this makes it even more evil 'yeah i know normal gems fet shattered - but that device could shatter a diamond, i have to bubble you bismuth!"
Swagonborn no it was specifically for diamonds. That makes sense and it also makes sense that Bismuth knew the ploy the entire time. Pink crippled the gems efforts all along.
Well, war is kind of a game for gems since they just poof and come back if you don't shatter them
If Bismuth had her way, there would've been way more death. Something Pink adamantly did not want.
I'm sorry dude, but you are inferring every plot detail through sheer disappointment-fueled bias. You can have an opinion, absolutely; however, you are starting to become a touch unfair to the story.
It's TOO easy to outright assume Pink was maliciously manipulative, especially when you didn't like the twist personally. Steven Universe is character-driven which means each character is and will be complex regardless of where they stand, so Pink Diamond's mental condition isn't something as simple as "evil" and her actions cannot be viewed as simply.
It's absolutely possible A LOT of it wasn't truly her fault.
Pink probably took on the form of a Rose Quartz because it was a decent disguise, just another cannon fodder gem she could use to wander about without scrutiny. Honestly, it's clear none of the Diamonds (and probably the agates also) even remotely cared what happens to one Quartz unless they're special like Jasper. She likely learned and engaged with the humans through that way. At first it's possible she convinced the Diamonds to put humans in an enclosure for her to keep, but the idea of total extinction must have led her to pose as a Rose Quartz to work underground to save humans. Pink might have also attempted to persuade the Diamonds to spare the humans, but they likely told her no because they never cared what happens to organic life. This was probably evident in "Can't Go Back" where Blue was scolding Pink for wanting to get rid of the colony, seeing Pink as if she was shirking her duties instead of catching it as a proposition to protect lifeforms. If Pink tried to take complete control of the colony to protect the humans, the other Diamonds would have torn it away from her faster than she could blink. Remember, Pink was the lowest ranked diamond and likely the weakest. She was never on equal terms regardless if she believed she had any equality after being given her first colony. They treated her like a child.
The only option was to start a rebellion under a disguise to avoid suspicion. It makes the job easy since it's like playing chess against yourself, you don't have to suffer through unforeseen circumstances if you know all the strategies; however, like playing against yourself, the game is also a lot harder to fool others into thinking it as game-play with a separate person. If this is true, Pink needed to pretend she was dealing with the rebellion she began and the task itself must have been arduous, especially for a diamond as naive as her.
To show she had little reason to shatter her own (or other) gems in the midst of war, she had Bismuth make her a sword that only poofs gems. Know that mostly Homeworld shattered gems.
With the rebellion having begun by a "Rose Quartz", all the Rose Quartz were bubbled given the assumption they may also behave the same and Pink possibly bubbled them because she could spare them which could have been the closest thing the other Diamonds would allow as the Rose Quartz belonged under Pink. Keep in mind, the rest of the Diamonds would have DESTROYED the Rose Quartz soldiers instead.
As the war progressed, playing both roles likely became way too complicated and the next best option was to fake her death, relieving her from one role that would have had more consequences if she stayed. Keeping the ruse as a secret would prevent the Crystal Gems from turning their backs and the Diamonds from shattering her for real. Pink didn't anticipate Pearl to suffer from it since the purpose was to win the war and protect Pink.
She might have believed she was winning the war and the diamonds would back off, but it was likely a terrible mistake to think so. Pink may have miscalculated the extent of the diamond's powers. She was also probably way too deep into the conflict and there was no turning back. Maybe she questioned if saving the humans was important enough to destroy countless lives, yet may have answered it knowing she can only move forward.
The remaining crystal gems spent the following years capturing corrupted gems because it's possible Pink wanted to cure them and continued looking for ways. It's likely she may have given up down the road, but still had some hope in the back of her mind.
I'm not defending Pink Diamond out of pity. I'm objectively interpreting the situation as a matter of military tactics conducted by a growing, inexperienced leader who's learning as she goes because of urgency.
Know that in the face of war, there's no such thing as a victim-less path and some sacrifices can be made (intentional or not, cruel or merciful) to end the conflict sooner. Know that in the face of war, every decision is difficult and every situation is delicate.
I certainly am not claiming my argument is the most correct or perfect or the true answer to this problem, but it is what I found as I analyzed Pink Diamond.
(It's a lot to read, so I sectioned my observations to make it easier.)
Great analysis! Kudos ^^
Awesome job! I honestly think that's solid block we can build out of to perceive Pink/Rose's true character, and I can certainly agree with you wholeheartedly! Liked!
I hope they read your comment. I agree with you. ^^
*applause* Excellent! I agree with your analysis
Amazing!
greg is true master of the universe,worship the cosmic carwash king
I honestly respect the shit out of the writers for making this twist. It takes serious guts to do this to such a beloved character. This is, great and bold writing
I believe pink was the child of the group. She wanted to be like her older diamonds but when she got her colony, there was something different. We saw jungle moon, they had animals but nothing humanoid. But earth had humans. Being that looked like gems without the gem. They were the same but different. And like any other child, she was curious and likely came to love the world she was on. She started out being a good diamond but once she found to love humans, maybe she did confront her diamonds about keeping her earth the way it was. Perhaps it was blue who made the human zoo for her. It was an opportunity for her to be a good diamond and keep what she wanted and i can image it disgusted her. This version of humans the zoo made was not what humanity was about. It treated them like pets. So maybe she had to make a choice. Sure it wasn't the best choice. But she had to make a decision. Be the diamond she was forced to be, or pretend to be one of her own soldiers to protect the earth because she knew if she couldnt colonize the earth, her other diamonds would. They had no sympathy for the life on the planet. We alreayd know how hollow the planets become under the diamonds rule. She needed to make sure they lost the war so they would never attack earth again. The gem war was a necessity in that case. They had to believe they could be shattered by a lower gem. To believe they were not as powerful as they thought they were. That way they could abandon earth. So she turned her diamond self into a monster so her gems would be more inclined to join the crystal gems, to join rose quartz, which is her true persona.
And i will note 2 things from this video now:
1. The 3 diamonds using their corruption. Somebody said there was a plot hole but i doubt it. It takes time for a gem to reform after proofing. Its likely the corruption took place after the event, the diamonds probably didnt hear about it the same day. Then again they did and likely had to discuss what to do, go through their shock.
2. She probably bubbled all the rose quartz because she couldn't allow them to notice how powerful she was. She probably didn't want to do that but she did. Because she is a very over powered rose. Healing tears, floating, incredible shield. Shes a diamond. Shes over powered. Being able to rotate her gem must be hard to do for any other gem. But again, diamond. We also know when a gem reforms, they can change their appearance. Hence the new clothes the characters had. So its possible choosing the rose quartz form when she was poofed was a permanent change. She didnt have to shape shift anymore. She would never use her diamond form again.
I don't believe pink/rose was evil. She could have never seen the course her actions would take. We know how limited sapphires future sight is. She did what she had to do to make the diamonds afraid, to make them avoid the earth. She probably had no clue about the gem weapon too. If it happened after her poofing, then she had no contact with them, she had no idea what they would be doing once she took on rose for good. Sure alot of bad came from her choices but every choice has a consequence. That is the nature of war. Pink made her choice to save the world she loved and became rose. Everything had a reason.
@summer Dawn - I don't usually comment on videos but i like the way you look/ took this and i have to say I agree with you. I don't think Pink is a bad person or did any of this to cause the crystal gems problems. I think she really did love and care about them. yes she could of maybe thought of better ways to deal with the problem but there was a lot going on. Thank you for saying this ^^
Thank you so much. This pretty much says everything I was thinking after the video. As a leader you have to make hard decisions and she did. I feel if she went to the other diamonds and said she didn't want to colonize earth anymore (put her foot down) the war would have started anyway or they would have done it for her.
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Summer Dawn I feel that your statement seems to be the explanation about Pink Diamond's actions. Though, of course, the Crewniverse will have the final say. But I do think that may be best way to think of this. Perhaps... Just perhaps, if Steven can see visions of Pink's past, he might try to go deeper through his dreams to find the truth & confront Pink. He did it before with Malachite, why not his own gem? Just a theory, though.
Summer Dawn wow, now we need to ship this to the crew a verse so they can save the show. (I'm being serious and not sarcastic about it.)
I loved the plot twist. Judge me.
Camila Gama The twist was ok. I did enjoy it as well.
It was 50/50 chance that Rose was gonna be Pink Diamond.
Camila Gama ughhhh. There
I mean
A diamond can't see the future
A sapphire can...
Pink didint know all that was going to happen
She was under the impression that
"The others didint care"
And even IF during the war she just came out of hiding and said "Hey everything we did was fake" I'm sure the diamonds would just say k the wars over now
No they would not