HYDROPLANE CRASH in Karting...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 พ.ย. 2022
- My kart hydroplaned and the crash that followed was unavoidable... The lap before this, I rolled off the throttle and onto the brake in a slower manner which prevented the weight from transfering too quickly. The rear tires became too light and locked basically instantly. I made sure to keep the kart pointed straight as long as possible, and I pumped the brakes to try and get the rear tires gripped up again. But once I knew the kart wasn't going to stop in time, I let the kart spin backwords so I wouldn't hurt my legs with a frontal impact, and finally I went full throttle to dampen the impact. Hydroplaning is one of those sensations you have to experience to fully respect....
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In Europe we call it aquaplaning
I was thinking of that, never heard the term hydroplaning before
Wait is that actually a thing
@@Solvablevoice70 Do you ask if aquaplaning is a thing? If so then yes, that is a thing.
@@JAtoA like the word, I'm European and have never heard of aquaplaning before, always said hydroplane
@@Solvablevoice70 I am european too and never heard the word hydroplaning.
yay finally i can spare time in my racing simulator!
I can't wait until I can!
Its for fun, go back to doing 10 over limit on a public highway in your chevy silverado
@@skateraptor12you lookin for a fight with him?
lol
Euro Truck Simulator 2
My cousin Jimmy is like a GOD at racing karts in the wet. At our local track, in the main events you can basically swap out drivers, with the cost of losing the time that’s lost on pit road. Basically, Jimmys friend Nathan will race most of the time, but when it rains, stg jimmy gets in and he can pick up 3-4 seconds from the other racers to everyone else. he slides around and freaking drifts around turns, going like 40. it’s insane bruh
Sounds like me lol 😂
I know this races are all about the grip and all, but is there any type of training for wet? Just wondering
@@SelfBiasedCybernaut just having experience in the wet really
@@davidantonucci1161no one cares, reported
Good old Slippin' Jimmy
My bro was a legend in the wet in karts. He was uk champ 4 years in a row. Can't remember what years I was like 10. But loved watching him.
What year were you ten? That's a good guestimaton.
@@ExactConsciousness haha good point 🤣 1993
Lewis?
@@diplomatofthesosbrigade931 1993 is before his time.
@@ExactConsciousness pretty sure he started karting in 93
When I was karting, in situations like this I used to actually accelerate a little instead of braking, and this move saved my ass many times
Yeah if you catch it early on like a straight then it's an easy save
First mistake he made was using straight slick tires in the rain, you need water channels so it can be forced out from under the tire instead of the tire riding on top of the water
If you know you are gonna get loose then accelerate into a drift and ride it out on the throttle. It’s always been the best option for me but I don’t time it. It just feels faster.
might be better to push in the clutch and let the wheels grip on their own
@gfries4906 For cars true, but not for karts. Most karts don’t have a clutch
Land in Sochi be like
Land, the McLaren F1 driver
Land is a valuable resource
Clouds in Russia
Sepang too bruh
Poor lando
when you use slicks in rain
Most fun thing u can do
In Aquaplaning the basic you learn is NOT to press you’re brakes.. as soon you’re wheel locks it will never get grip. So foot of the gas and stear only until it get grip again. Let the wheel rotate.!! Otherwise you’re fucked
Space was running out. He would have hit the barrier anyway
@@Kaktuskastl just out of curiosity couldnt he do a 360 around the corner to slow down and then gas it and like drift around the corner. I know it’s clearly not the easiest task but should work in theory no?
@@MrMaxy37185 i'd agree absolutely with that theory . But still would be a too hard challenge, maybe...
@@Kaktuskastl He has no room to do anything about it because he's running a inside line in the wet when anyone who has ever raced a kart with slicks on a circuit knows that a normal race line = death sentence because there is rubber on the track which combined with water is more slippery than just water.
There are two ways to go around a corner with a kart on a track that's wet.
1) drive slowly to the inside, hook the right side of the wheels on the inside curb and slowly accelerate so that your wheels don't come off the curb otherwise the kart will slide all the way to the outside.
2) Be on the outside the whole time, brake to the appropriate speed and go through the entire turn on the outside line with a gentle feel for the throttle.
@@Kaktuskastl no, his steering and weight distribution was wrong, he was slow enough, he didnt need to brake at all..
first mistake. YOU DONT HIT THE BREAKS when you hydroplane.
He's going into a corner though he didnt have a choice
@@isaiahmascarenas1209 wrong
So he just wait and crash nice one mate
@@kryptoo4036 Yes, you just described aquaplaning. Braking while fully aquaplaning just makes the car more unstable, you actually have to wait till you are not aquaplaning anymore.
@@JAtoAThen he wouldnt have had space to brake after he was stable, if he wasnt heading into a tight corner then yeah he wouldnt use the brakes but in this instance he wouldve ran into the barrier if he didnt pump the brakes to slow down
In Europe we call it being inexperienced in the wet
It can happen to anyone. Even to “experts”
Keep talking on the net even tho you have no idea what you're talking about. A cart isn't a bike or a car. He's on slicks with no differential. Hydroplaning will always happen to anyone if your threshold braking on a cart.
@@thewafen763 cheer up son and pull that stick out of your arse
Bro youre mentally challenged comparing driving a car in the rain and a go kart in the rain 2 very different things
Lol u act like it’s easy it’s much more difficult than it seems so shut up
I've aquaplaned at 120mph on a Yamaha FZ8. Actually felt it rise above the water.
Happens to me all the time on my Yamaha FX sho
One wrong move and you dead 😭
waw you retarde dgoing that fast in the rain
What a save!! 🥶
This is rocket league!
@@skyalert8724 😂
You can prevent a spin by using the sidewalls of your tires to slow you down. Drift before the corner and aim for the apex.
Honestly, I'd like to see these two approaches because my intuition says going a little sideways would help drag the tires through more water (and would slow down faster) than steering straight into it where the front tires are hydroplaning and the back tires don't get much grip anyways because it's wet.
Plus the side walls are less likely to push water beneath the tire.
@@jasono2139Just basically trail breaking, swing the car around on the edge of grip
Yeah just rip the handbrake
Lmfao, umm what??
@@cathlive267 I said, just rip the hand break eh
Well, technically you could let go of the brake, try to aim for the curb, step on the throttle and make the corner.
Do u know how slippery it is you would slam into the cirb and destroy your wheel
Nah, would've overshot anyways..
@@zakariaalmulla I know, only way to make it is to drift and throttle or go extremely slow all the way
‘\@@DR-ku1hw you would still slide and he was as light as a feather you cant go slowly he was going fast slso my sister drives those things i think she knowes
Hydro or aquaplaning is where the wheels are literally on top of surface water and sliding over the top. One you start it's not a simple thing to just stop just by releasing the brake - you have little to no control.
Madman karting in that weather
The first watch I looked at the footy, the second the minimap, the third the speedometer. Well done my guy, good info all around much appreciated.
There is a formula at with you can calculate dynamic hydroplaning speed. It’s 9 times the square root of the tyre pressure.
And so, unlike mud and snow, you do NOT want flatter tires on wet tarmac. Even according to that formula, it especially makes sense. The closer you are to MAX PSI, the better chance you have of "cutting" into the water with the sharper footprint of the tire
ROW: Aquaplanning
USA: Hydroplanning
@iMoreno: Aquaplanning / Hydroplanning
ROW: Aquaplaning / Hydroplaning
That’s also why pilots land hard in rain, to avoid hydroplaning. I learned about it last week in flight school 😂
That's an awesome father. He didn't hesitate to protect his son
Could’ve been a drift if it was slower but nice save.👍
clean safe tho😎👌
Good reaction 👍
What a save 🔥
That is super impressive, he must have all the women coming after him
😂
Bro💀
You need to spend some time on a parking lot covered in ice in the winter it will teach you how to handle your vehicle with no traction.
Bro what? He did a good job for what he was working with
bro jus did a roll back😂😂😂
This is absolutely fantastic!
Why no rain tires?
I think he prefers driving on slicks
Maybe it poured middle of session?
He has them ig hes just doing this for educational purposes and he finds it more fun to drive on slicks
He likes driving slicks when its raining so he can do some drifts
Aquaplaning happens with wets too (look at Sainz and Schumi at Suzuka)
Hope you make it to f3 or f2
No way from him :D
he already drove in F3 iirc
@@l1gm4_b4lls in this video he made mistake what like professionals should know in wet.
He braked on rubbery line so tyres go locked.
@@Suloppi I wasn't talking abt that?
@@Suloppi also, I'm pretty sure he just aquaplaned, not much he could do there
Honestly i find the best thing to do for lap times is not use your brakes. For one in the wet and dry braking at all shifts the weight from the back making it squirly. But also just ustable in general.
Its like hitting the apex or just yanking the steering wheel. Hitting the apex is much smoother. The smoother you drive the more traction you can retain as once you lose the traction it takes alot more to get it back!
The only time id really use brakes is if its a super tight turn and you need to kinda pivot. Not quite drift.
I've used this technique before. I was being a but head on snow. It was going great until I got too much speed. I gave her full throttle keeping her out of the ditch.
Shouldn't you just let the kart/car drift and not touch the brakes?
Do you ever see f1 cars drifting in the rain?😂 it’s not a damn street race
@@Adam65510 is this an f1 car?
@@deniz1880 I knew some idiot would say this🤦🏽♂️ it’s the same principle as f1.
No, karts lose more time sliding than cars do. If you want to be fast in a kart you need to be as smooth as possible.
Agh, the guy who makes a bigger deal of things than it needs to be.
This is why quite often roads and runways aren’t actually flat but a slight triangle shape where the middle is higher then the sides allowing water to run off
i love this type videos
We call this one boat mode
its satisfying in iracing when i come off the track and intentionally spin out to avoid a barrier, especially in public practice
I do this with the forklift at work every-time it rains inside the floors are glossy concrete so they turn into a slip n slide when wet. If you know what you are doing its fun af
Forklift certification approved!
I actively make the karts hydro plane.
It is fun.
I am me and you are you.
I enjoy the challenge and the floating no traction feel.
I have a small amount of expeience in karts, as a kid I stamped on the brakes in the wet and skidded like we see here... right into the barrier. Then after I get taught the concept of locking wheels, pumping brakes.
I personally only find fun in driving in the wet or in a damaged kart now. The challenge of keeping a shitbox on the track is more entertaining to me than racing or competing.
bro just casually did a crazy ass rollback like we didn’t notice
U can fully turn the wheels INTO the spin (turn front of wheels towards the direction you want to stop going!) once you are almost 90 degrees into your spin and it will flip your front back out to where you wanted it. Because they are actually rolling slightly backwards at that point. Takes some practice. Works wonders. When tires slide they act like ice skates or skis. Adding throttle when sliding makes your back wheels loose more traction and you will spin more. I got to confirm all of this in blizards on frozen freeways a few times. Ice sliding is basically the same as water sliding or high speed dry sliding. Losing traction is losing traction.
Good save
Nice recovery!
Great save!!
What a save dude. Would love to see you somehow get into racing series like formula one, but I’m not sure if you’re doing championship karting and you look old so you probably missed the chance but I’m not sure. Epic driving in your channel.
I love wet condition. Light on the brakes and control with the gas pedal.
Most fun you can have is karting in the rain and drifting through those turns
good info to learn
went to this track not too long ago! great staff and amazing time coming last in both qualifiers and race haha
Doing this on a 12,000 lbs forklift scares the hell out of me.
You race a forklift in the wet?
Homie has an entire HUD mini map and everything 😄😆 lol that's a cool touch to the video tho
Would be even more scarier if this is some public road with lots of traffic
Racing one a track with absolute Slicks😂😂
TAG karts are extra touchy in the wet as they typically only have a set of rear brakes - no fronts. This means they’re set up for the rear to step out and spin you round facing backwards if you hit the brakes too hard, whereas a vehicle with front brakes would more likely lock up into a straight line.
Nice lil roll back 😮💨😮💨😮💨
drifting left the chat
you’re supposed to jump up and down inside the vehicle to retract the tires, a science teacher did this study at my university, they had a simple plastic tarp on the road and filled it with water, when we hydroplaned he instructed all 4 of us in the car mechanism to bounce up and down in the seats, which ended up giving the car traction once we all came down from the bounce at the same time.
This is compounded by the short wheelbase, and not having any quick connection and that can accelerate or D accelerate the wheels on all sides. Like usually the break is only connected to one maybe two wheels. And the engine is connected to the wheels through a pretty loose chain and a clutch.
Glad you could control it
POV: You hit the Brake pedal while its raining and understeered the car.
Nice save brother
I love your chassis, have same one ;)
nastyyyy roll back😮💨
we took this "no sudden moves" to a racing lessons
PFI x rain hits hard
At pf in the wet at that hairpin you want to be right on the the right hand side of the track break then move into the middle of the track and then sim for the outside of the track while forcing your kart to understeer and then when it catches and the kart turns get on the power and of you go to the second hairpin 👍
That’s what hydroplaning looks like in every vehicle
😂 Rain and SLICKS!? Yeah. You’re going to hydroplane.
You actually controlled that very well
I had a similar experience on black ice. I was going 55mph on a back road with my grandfather with me, one we hit the ice I just kept the rpm and tire speed even and we got past the ice about 300 feet later.
PFi, many a good races at this track
Got a solution for ya, If you buy some small enough gravel and keep a bag of It on your cart (kind of like a chalk bag for rock climbing) just toss some on one of your front tiers and it should break the water tension enough to spin you out, That way you don't go flying at fifty miles an hour into the barrier if you can't gain control in time
I went to a go kart track after it had drizzled a bit, enough to get the whole track wet, they were the slow, 15-20 mph karts, but they were still on slicks, I shot out to the first corner expecting grip like you would from a go kart but it took turn 1 like a top fuel dragster would have, wheels went full lock and I was going straight, it was a 1 wheel drive kart but around right handers I could slide it around the corner easily, it made me realize how bad slicks are in the wet but I want to do it again some day, it was fun
When I had a race and the track was totally wet and slippery I was the only racer who kept driving and that nearly normal speed
Slicks in rain. Amazing idea
lol. sometimes the rain is faster then you getin of the track and change ur tires👍
ive been on this track myself in the rain. drfting is 100% possable and 100% fun i love going under the bridge and drifting the whole corner our. i remmber crashing into those barryers too lol
i love the track :D
Yea it is the same principle anywhere cameron,,,, another epic look at me video
By watching your videos I am sure, very soon I'll become a f1 racer.
Acceleracers taught me all I need to know about this…
One time at buckmore park there was so much rain there was a literal river running across the start finsh straight, so every time you went over it the kart would aqua plane, the revs would skyrocket and you'd let jesus take the wheel and hope you came out the otherside facing forward. If you were behind someone youd be blind as well from all the spray, definitely the wildest conditions Ive ever driven in
I remember a karter i was talking to said sometimes you can regain traction by stomping the accelerator
do a video on how to save it after hydro plane without leaving the road !!!
I wouldn’t go full throttle, 50-75% would be far more effective. Spinning(without traction) wheels have less grip than stationary ones. So the closer you get that to stationary, without actually being stationary, the better.
joins the chat, drifting with phonk noises*
When in doubt power out
I span the same way at the same corner 😂
*hits banana peel*
This may sounds crazy, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Making the kart turn ASAP, and then full throttle could save the driver.
My reasoning is that giving a full throttle will "scoop out" water fast enough to gain traction.
Of course there's a huge risk of spinning 360 without any control; the 180deg turn had to be made rater smoothly.
Nice save
😂😂 great vid
If it's initiated by braking, then it's almost certainly not hydroplaning/aquaplaning. This video shows simply locking up and sliding. It feels very different in the wet because of the shape of the slip/grip curve - in the wet, and the cold, the drop off after the peak is very steep. What this means in practise is your speed won't decrease once you're locked up or sliding, and the car won't have a natural (or encouraged, with opposite lock) tendency to straighten up due to the differential of slip angles on all four wheels, again as we see here.
Hydroplaning/aquaplaning (same thing, different names) is when the tyre can't clear enough water, the water builds up in front of the tyre in a wedge shape, and at a high enough speed the pressure between the tyre and this wedge of water becomes great enough for the car to climb the wedge and rise up above the layer of water, where it starts skimming across the water. The rotation of the tyre and its slip angle or percentage has very little to do with this, so it won't start with braking or acceleration - it's almost all to do with speed, depth of water, and then the width of the tyre and any tread and depth of that tread that it has. In windsurfing it's how we go fast, by shifting out of displacement mode into a mode where we skim across the water, and the same applies to powerboats and surfing. Again, it's a function of force and area.
The other hint this isn't aquaplaning is that if you are aquaplaning, then as soon as speed decreases the tyres will drop back down onto the road again and they'll be a sudden change in handling, rather than this more characteristic lock up and spin, which is far more consistent and graceful, as seen here. The aquaplaning stage is often just a fleeting moment, before aero drag slows the car to a speed where the tyres grip again, although the slip angle of the car's new attitude (or the force applies to the brakes) can leave the car in a situation where it's spinning out of control once back in touch with the tarmac.
You should’ve been at 90 degrees feathering that throttle long ago lol it’s funny how you only think of the basics when it’s too late
One thing to learn from Vert Wheeler and his Power Rage is not to brake when you're hydroplanimg
you've got slick tires on you donut!
That’s a great way to roast your clutch too.
I did this in my car with bald tires on the rear. It cut loose at 40 mph and I hit the ditch sideways. The people who saw me swore that I rolled my car but there was zero damage. Turns out I went so far up on two wheels and spun around at the same time that it looked like a roll-over.
"Initiall D has prepared me for this moment"
This is aquaplaning not drifting