I just became a realtor and my first thought when they showed me this lock was “I bet these have a stupid simple bypass and I bet Bosnianbill has a video on it......”
These locks are flags. They flag "Hey, nobody's home! Come and get it!". Buy a bunch of spare cylinders (each with 20 keys) for the company to change the lock of the backdoor. When the house is sold, just replace the company cylinders for the original cylinders.
My husband and I watch ur videos every night down here in Australia! I am finally getting the hang of those spools and serrated pins... baby steps right!! Happy New Year and stay safe!
Thanks for the video, I moved into my house over a year now and the previous owner realtor said she would come down and take the box off, never happened. Super easy to remove from my home thanks
Ooh it must be Christmas, This video came to us much sooner than I expected. Major kudos to the mail service that delivered it. Presumably most of the properties these are used on are empty inside, so nothing to steal. Making these easier to open might just save windows being smashed or doors being wrecked by thieves and squatters. Maybe that's a good thing. I always immediately change the locks on any property as soon as I move in.
I wonder if it's supposed to be closed up more on the shackle. Maybe when It has power the solenoids pull the shackle tight since it has those slots cut in. Be neat to get it open with the least amount of destruction and power it up even with a bench supply and see the actions of the solenoids. Then maybe the bump attack won't work. So the only reason the shackle is loose is to say the power has been depleted,and maybe that's the locksmith way to get it off the door.
Until you get the key out you still don't have an open. The problem with 'better' lock boxes- The lock on the door is still easier to get in than the box.
Now that you have it opened, put it on a cheap doorknob like say a Kwikset and see if it is as easy to attack in the same manner; I am wondering if the doorknob will make this more difficult to get open via the same attack - especially if the knob is attached to a closed door where getting at the one side might be more of a challenge due to proximity to the door jamb.
I work in the real estate industry and about 75% of realtors in the Madison WI area just leave their Supra's sitting outside the door (so they don't damage the doorknob or paint), or hide them behind furniture, in a mailbox, etc... Have always wondered why no one worries about snatching one, taking it back to their shop, and band-sawing it in half to get the key or condo fob, lol!
I'm a commercial Realtor. We typically don't use lock boxes because we usually want to be present when a property is shown. However, ALL of the residential agents at my company use these. I can't wait to share this video with them.
Actually, the core hasn't failed yet. This shows how dangerous it is to focus exclusively on the core, as every other part of the lock needs to be equally strong, Which is also the reason star lockpickers generally refuse to design or recommend locks, because there's a huge risk of overlooking an embarrassing weakness elsewhere in a lock.
I've seen a few vids showing companies let you test out new style locks but has any lock manufacturer ever approached you for advice? It seems like most companies don't even try anymore
I recall Pacific Lock doing just that. Sent Bill a prototype, he mauled it, in under a month they sent him a new one incorporating many if not all of his suggestions. Also sent him all of the original type's pre-production units with the LockLab logo engraved on them which he used as prizes for people who got "whipped" videos made of their challenge locks. The first lock he shredded: th-cam.com/video/28qFe-v3HVg/w-d-xo.html The updated version: th-cam.com/video/OfBNpY_jYTg/w-d-xo.html
Seeing one disassembled, it looks like the key solenoid is the same as the knob one. Could you insert a self tapping screw and then pull on that while wrapping to release the key? It would be destructive but not entirely.
Ignoring how easy an attack this is, and assuming that flaw had been fixed, there's also the fact that the doorknob the iBox is attached to is probably easily picked. Once you're through the door, you can disassemble the doorknob and slip the box off. This is at least partially why I occasionally saw these boxes attached to drainpipes and the like when I was an appraiser.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 I've had one on my door since i bought my house in 2015. Real estate agent retired soon after and i was stuck with this thing. 3 good whacks was all it took 😂.
When I bought my house there was one of these on the water pipe in the front yard. I called the realtors and asked for it to be removed, but no one came. After a few months I got out my angle grinder and removed it myself.
I'd like to know if you have any success opening the bottom part where you could actually steal the key out of the box. Removing the shackle is a certain breach of security but being able to actually get the key from inside the box out is much more of a security risk.
I think that play in it and the shackle not connecting nicely to the body is a defect of this unit. For the rest, this company is just like a new, electronic, mini Master Lock
My contention with the newer test would be much more about not having it hooked up to the Supra Key app and seeing if the Notification of it being tampered with notification shows up or not. And/or the Realtor association calls the police because of the tamper notification.
MY question is.. with the shape of those cutouts etc.. are you supposed to put the lock in then 'activate it' via the bluetooth app/whatever, and the lock 'clamps down' by rotating into those cutouts, pulling the lock top down firm against, removing that lock play.
I have 2 portaband saws one 12 volt and one 18 volt. the 18 volt has a large opening and will cut through the middle of those blue realator locks in under 30 seconds. and because they are slower speed than a grinder its much quieter. you most likely wouldn't hear it at the neighbors house. the shackle is steel but the body is aluminum. I had the core of a titalium seize up from saltwater. And I band sawed through it in 12 seconds. Guts fell right out.
once upon a time I used the metal door it self on the box [that protects the key slot] to gain entry [older version that affixed to the building ] hammer optional :)
Thanks for this and the other Supra video. I am both a licensed locksmith AND realtor and I have a couple of these Supra boxes. If you want another, just send me a message and we can work it out.
You can use the hammer to open the shackle, and that gets it off the doorknob. But the key is inside, and drops out the bottom. How do you get the key without anyone knowing you've taken it?
The point is that they spend an awful lot of time & money over-designing the lock, but shortchanged the shackle lock. Rather than stand in front of a door cutting the lock open with a hacksaw, someone can easily remove the lock, cut if open somewhere else unobserved, and come back to the house with the key to enter normally. The HECK with the missing lock - everything of any value in the house will be missing too.
Apparently, the travel for the solenoids is the weak point. This may be a big deal to fix for a device this small. The engineering to fix it is not going to be simple. The only thing I can think of is to lock out the springs or eliminate them entirely.
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Why even ask, Bill? You know damn well we want to see destructive entry.
I was thinking the same thing!! Cut that bad boy open!!
I second this statement
He was asking if we want to see them machined open like cut away practice locks
Curious if you have any resources for electronic attack.
Even if you do, it still screams to be machined open...
He didn’t do anything destructive persay
I just became a realtor and my first thought when they showed me this lock was “I bet these have a stupid simple bypass and I bet Bosnianbill has a video on it......”
Congratulations, you'll love this job.
These locks are flags. They flag "Hey, nobody's home! Come and get it!".
Buy a bunch of spare cylinders (each with 20 keys) for the company to change the lock of the backdoor. When the house is sold, just replace the company cylinders for the original cylinders.
My husband and I watch ur videos every night down here in Australia! I am finally getting the hang of those spools and serrated pins... baby steps right!! Happy New Year and stay safe!
Yes more Aussie pickers👍🇦🇺
I got a temporary job in high school, more than 20 years ago, hand binding the manuals for these locks.
If the old hammer looked worn out, but was still beating locks until they cried mummy, then it was not worn out :P :)
BT LE stands for "BlueTooth Low Energy", a set of standards for bluetooth interoperability in low-power devices.
Ahh.. That makes sense... Now lol.
Thanks for the video, I moved into my house over a year now and the previous owner realtor said she would come down and take the box off, never happened. Super easy to remove from my home thanks
So basically, GE’s ultra high-tech lock can be defeated with the absolute lowest of low-tech devices. In fact, the first device ever: a rock.
Look at the former video where he introduces the hammer at 2:10...
th-cam.com/video/Fh2dIWJsEOw/w-d-xo.html
Open them any way you can!!!!!!, might try a hot knife to remove the plastic. and try reverse assembly!
Every Realtor just gulped when they watched this.
My realtor left this behind on my house 2mo ago and hasn't come back for it. So I needed it off lol but I couldn't get rapping to work
open them up!!!
Nice work Bill! And to give you the answer to your question... you already know.. chop it up! 👍🏻
Johnny 5 says, "No Disassemble!!!" So Please, disassemble...
Yes please open, destructively ASAP!! Thanks Bill, great video as always.
That was a silly question of course they want to see what's inside
Ooh it must be Christmas, This video came to us much sooner than I expected. Major kudos to the mail service that delivered it. Presumably most of the properties these are used on are empty inside, so nothing to steal. Making these easier to open might just save windows being smashed or doors being wrecked by thieves and squatters. Maybe that's a good thing. I always immediately change the locks on any property as soon as I move in.
Yes, the double solenoid ends look like a mushroom tip, so the skirt around the end slips over the ledge in the cut out (shown at 3:01)
My brother recently sold his house, and this is the exact model of lock box the realtor used. Good thing it's not on there anymore.
thx for all the nice content the last years we will miss you but you have to take care of you and your famaly love from austria
Nice video Bill.
I would be interested to see them opened up and see what's inside.
Dissect that lock! You may find other hidden vulnerabilities while doing so.
Speaking as a former real estate agent.... Oh hell yes! CUT THEM OPEN!!!
I was actually going to send you one of those. definitely a video I was looking forward to
I wonder if it's supposed to be closed up more on the shackle. Maybe when It has power the solenoids pull the shackle tight since it has those slots cut in. Be neat to get it open with the least amount of destruction and power it up even with a bench supply and see the actions of the solenoids. Then maybe the bump attack won't work. So the only reason the shackle is loose is to say the power has been depleted,and maybe that's the locksmith way to get it off the door.
Great video!! I just would love to come spend the day in your lock lab!! Wonderful locks & tools
You know what the answer will be to knowing what's inside.
Let's see in it.
"I don't have a key for this thing, so I can't put it on a door knob." 😊
Until you get the key out you still don't have an open.
The problem with 'better' lock boxes-
The lock on the door is still easier to get in than the box.
Thanks for the video maestro 🔑👍
Oh well you answered that one. Hammer beating does it again.
CUT THEM OPEN BILL 😁👍🏻
WELL DONE MR.BILL.
When your only tool is a hammer, all problems look like locks?
We just bought a house and the sellers realtor hasn't showed up to get the lock and it's been a while. Gonna try this right now
Now that you have it opened, put it on a cheap doorknob like say a Kwikset and see if it is as easy to attack in the same manner; I am wondering if the doorknob will make this more difficult to get open via the same attack - especially if the knob is attached to a closed door where getting at the one side might be more of a challenge due to proximity to the door jamb.
rotate it sideways?
I work in the real estate industry and about 75% of realtors in the Madison WI area just leave their Supra's sitting outside the door (so they don't damage the doorknob or paint), or hide them behind furniture, in a mailbox, etc... Have always wondered why no one worries about snatching one, taking it back to their shop, and band-sawing it in half to get the key or condo fob, lol!
Bill is starting to get into the LPL timing, 27 seconds to open the lock after the preamble.
Of course we want you to gut that thing open.
Wow ur 💪 strong. Dang my fingers won't do as urs did! U made it look easy
Of course we wanna see those babies cracked open. Can't believe you would even think it's a question. LOL
Yes open it please I want to see it and thank you for the video.
I'm a commercial Realtor. We typically don't use lock boxes because we usually want to be present when a property is shown. However, ALL of the residential agents at my company use these. I can't wait to share this video with them.
That supra just needs a 2JZ core, then it's a beast.
Actually, the core hasn't failed yet. This shows how dangerous it is to focus exclusively on the core, as every other part of the lock needs to be equally strong, Which is also the reason star lockpickers generally refuse to design or recommend locks, because there's a huge risk of overlooking an embarrassing weakness elsewhere in a lock.
@@junkman8742 What joke? Please explain.
So you learned some car trivia and came to a lock pick channel to flex?
LE WHACKED?
_LE BONK!_
Low Energy Wacked is quite appropriate for low energy Bluetooth.
Hammer is quiter than Ramset LPL may use.
Would like to see how the solenoids are set
Seems like the new lock gives you a place to put a pair of bolt cutters in the right spot to cut that shackle.
Wow this video had almost the same brevity as your friend the Lock Picking Lawyer's videos.
Bill their destiny is now to be cut open.
Great video as always.
BT LE: by tapping, loosen easily?
I'd say dissection of these locks is a moral imperative.
Yes, open them 👊
Great job and video
Thats to funny 😆 what a joke of a
🔐 Thanks again for your videos just woke up & needed a good laugh 😆 😄
I've seen a few vids showing companies let you test out new style locks but has any lock manufacturer ever approached you for advice? It seems like most companies don't even try anymore
I recall Pacific Lock doing just that. Sent Bill a prototype, he mauled it, in under a month they sent him a new one incorporating many if not all of his suggestions. Also sent him all of the original type's pre-production units with the LockLab logo engraved on them which he used as prizes for people who got "whipped" videos made of their challenge locks.
The first lock he shredded: th-cam.com/video/28qFe-v3HVg/w-d-xo.html
The updated version: th-cam.com/video/OfBNpY_jYTg/w-d-xo.html
@@UTubeHandlesSuck ah yes I remember watching that one, at least he has had 1. Now to get "masterlock" to do the same...
Seeing one disassembled, it looks like the key solenoid is the same as the knob one. Could you insert a self tapping screw and then pull on that while wrapping to release the key? It would be destructive but not entirely.
Can opener mostly. The odd thump with a chisel on plastic Ha Ha Ha. Lovely
Happy retirement, Bill. You will be missed.
Ignoring how easy an attack this is, and assuming that flaw had been fixed, there's also the fact that the doorknob the iBox is attached to is probably easily picked. Once you're through the door, you can disassemble the doorknob and slip the box off. This is at least partially why I occasionally saw these boxes attached to drainpipes and the like when I was an appraiser.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 I've had one on my door since i bought my house in 2015. Real estate agent retired soon after and i was stuck with this thing. 3 good whacks was all it took 😂.
Wow. That blows my mind. Nothing is safe from BB.🤣🔓
Exactly, those BB-guns are dangerous :-)
Sure as hell are hahaha
When I bought my house there was one of these on the water pipe in the front yard. I called the realtors and asked for it to be removed, but no one came. After a few months I got out my angle grinder and removed it myself.
I'd like to know if you have any success opening the bottom part where you could actually steal the key out of the box. Removing the shackle is a certain breach of security but being able to actually get the key from inside the box out is much more of a security risk.
Masterkey? What's that, we have Bill!
cut them open, it'd be interesting to see how the solanoid locking works because that shackle looks funky
Slice 'em open 👍
Locks go BOOOOOM!!!
The shape of that shackle probably is done to help reduce the chances of a shimming attack.
I think that play in it and the shackle not connecting nicely to the body is a defect of this unit. For the rest, this company is just like a new, electronic, mini Master Lock
That IR sensor looks like it's seen better days
My contention with the newer test would be much more about not having it hooked up to the Supra Key app and seeing if the Notification of it being tampered with notification shows up or not.
And/or the Realtor association calls the police because of the tamper notification.
That gets the lock off but at least the keys are still in there... for now lol
Misread the title as 'hacked', I thought we'd see some vulnerability exploit via bluetooth. Still, it was satisfying to watch anyway :)
Crack them open, Bill!
Bill, you didn't get the key from the box! You just took it off the knob!
MY question is.. with the shape of those cutouts etc.. are you supposed to put the lock in then 'activate it' via the bluetooth app/whatever, and the lock 'clamps down' by rotating into those cutouts, pulling the lock top down firm against, removing that lock play.
Afraid not. WYSIWYG.
We want to see inside!
I have 2 portaband saws one 12 volt and one 18 volt. the 18 volt has a large opening and will cut through the middle of those blue realator locks in under 30 seconds. and because they are slower speed than a grinder its much quieter. you most likely wouldn't hear it at the neighbors house. the shackle is steel but the body is aluminum. I had the core of a titalium seize up from saltwater. And I band sawed through it in 12 seconds. Guts fell right out.
Well, that was funny. Nice hammer by the way.
once upon a time I used the metal door it self on the box [that protects the key slot] to gain entry [older version that affixed to the building ] hammer optional :)
But we still don't have the key. I faced one of these today, went thru the back door .. .
So if the door doesn't open when you knock, just try knocking on the lock next...
Fire up the mill!!
In the voice of Ben Stiller: do it do it
Thanks for this and the other Supra video. I am both a licensed locksmith AND realtor and I have a couple of these Supra boxes. If you want another, just send me a message and we can work it out.
That might be interesting.
Where did you get the hammer???
Can't you use those serial numbers to make a key?
Luv your videos!!! Cut it open lol!!
Hammer time
You can use the hammer to open the shackle, and that gets it off the doorknob. But the key is inside, and drops out the bottom. How do you get the key without anyone knowing you've taken it?
The point is that they spend an awful lot of time & money over-designing the lock, but shortchanged the shackle lock. Rather than stand in front of a door cutting the lock open with a hacksaw, someone can easily remove the lock, cut if open somewhere else unobserved, and come back to the house with the key to enter normally. The HECK with the missing lock - everything of any value in the house will be missing too.
Apparently, the travel for the solenoids is the weak point. This may be a big deal to fix for a device this small. The engineering to fix it is not going to be simple.
The only thing I can think of is to lock out the springs or eliminate them entirely.
Nice!
But it's doesn't open the key box
Go for it
Do you have A link for the hammer ?
Thank you
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Water jet channel collaboration.
Hey Bill! Cut it open!!
So people were giving you crap for having a beater beater?
It may have seen better days but the old beater still works fine.
i would like to see the inside of these locks, greetings from Belgium, Europe
Yeah, that thing looked broken before you worked on it.
I would love to see what makes them tick~!
Yes Please, Dremel away at that bad boy!!!