Kudos ivanenrile for valiantly defending the Catholic faith -- ubique semper et ab omnibus! We have to remain strong and steadfast! Not all people will accept Jesus Christ. Not all people will be willing to be under the power of HIS ONE TRUE CHURCH. Pray to Mary, Mother of God ever Virgin and Holy.
@johnthreesixteen316 Catholics also believe that there is only one sacrifice, Jesus', but following the command "as often as" to proclaim the death of the Lord, the sacrifice of Christ is made physically present to every Christian in all places in every age. The Eucharist makes the atemporal aphysical actions of Christ's redeeming action truly present to us always and everywhere. This is incarnational.
There are many instances in the Bible where our good Lord clarified his statements for his listeners when he wanted them to read figuratively. Take for example Matt. 16.5, John 11.11, John 3.3, 3.5. But when he spoke literally, and those who heard Him understood Him correctly but refused to accept what He said, He reasserted the literal meaning again more forcibly cf: Matt 9.2-9.3. John 8.56-8.59
@kiwichristian2009 I agree friend. God holds His Word higher than His name.....Psalms 138:2...."I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name."
There are many instances in the Bible where our good Lord clarified his statements for his listeners when he wanted them to *be understood figuratively.* Take for example Matt. 16.5, John 11.11, John 3.3, 3.5. But when he spoke literally, and those who heard Him understood Him correctly but refused to accept what He said, He reasserted the literal meaning again more forcibly cf: Matt 9.2-9.3. John 8.56-8.59
@johnthreesixteen316 On other occasions when there was confusion, Christ explained just what he meant (cf. Matt. 16:5-12). Here, where any misunderstanding would be fatal, there was no effort by Jesus to correct. Instead, he repeated himself for greater emphasis.
My ex-Protestant friend, now a good Catholic once told me in a discussion: being guilty of someone’s ‘body and blood’ was to be guilty of murder. How could one be guilty of murder if the body was only a symbol? The Real Presence of Christ’s Body is necessary for an offense to be committed against it. How could one be guilty of the Body and Blood of Christ by simply eating a little bread and drinking a little wine? St. Paul’s words are meaningless without the dogma of the Real Presence.
Thank you for the video. At a time when Christianity is threatened and our European culture eroded it is important to celebrate our heritage and defend it.
At Cooperating with Grace, Luce Michaels reports about Christopher Evans, a former Protestant youth minister in Batavia Township, Ohio. In February 2010, the former minister was found guilty of sexual battery and unlawful sexual conduct involving a 15-year old girl. Evans was to re-appear in court on April 26 for sentencing.
@johnthreesixteen316 However, here are some questions for Protestants: Leviticus contains many rules and regulations. How many of them do Protestants follow today? Leviticus 7:25 forbids eating fat, do Protestants refrain from eating fat?
In April 2010, the Evangelical Church, the second largest Protestant church in Germany issued an apology to numerous victims. In Dusseldorf, the vice-president of the church, Petra Bosse-Huber, said on March 22, 2010, “We are ashamed and upset that such infringements apparently also happened in our church and in our social welfare department. We ask the victims for forgiveness."
@johnthreesixteen316 In John 6:63 "flesh profits nothing" refers to mankind’s inclination to think using only what their natural human reason would tell them rather than what God would tell them. Thus in John 8:15-16 Jesus tells his opponents: "You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone that judge, but I and he who sent me."
@johnthreesixteen316 Biblical proof that mass was celebrated everyday by the early Christians: Every day they devoted themselves to meeting together in the temple area and to breaking bread in their homes. They ate their meals with exultation and sincerity of heart. [Acts 2:46]
@johnthreesixteen316 Paul also said, "Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. . . . For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). "To answer for the body and blood" of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine "unworthily" be so serious?
@johnthreesixteen316 This is really a silly argument, but a popular one, and it shows the extent that some people will go to to try to disprove Catholic doctrine. "I am the Door..." can have a metaphorical sense, for Christ is like a door, since one goes to heaven through Him. He is like a vine, since all the sap of one's spiritual life comes from Him.
cont... He was facing up to 50 years and a fine up to $100,000. About a week after his February court appearance, Evans was found dead in his truck after he shot himself in the face.
@johnthreesixteen316 The answer is simple: they DIDN'T mis-understand Him. Jesus meant exactly what he said. But, being God, Jesus knew there would be some who did not believe. In John 6:64 He says "But there are some of you who do not believe."
@johnthreesixteen316 Are we to understand that Christ had just commanded his disciples to eat his flesh, then said their doing so would be pointless? Is that what "the flesh is of no avail" means? "Eat my flesh, but you’ll find it’s a waste of time"-is that what he was saying? Hardly.
@ivanenrile Hello. The scriptures imply sola scriptura, therefore that truth has been around long before Luther. Have you considered who you are trusting your eternal soul to?
@johnthreesixteen316 Notice that Jesus made no attempt to soften what he said, no attempt to correct "misunderstandings," for there were none. Our Lord’s listeners understood him perfectly well. They no longer thought he was speaking metaphorically. If they had, if they mistook what he said, why no correction?
@kiwichristian2009 Amen. Christ made a distinction between petros and Petra for a very good reason. Clearly the 2 are not the same. The church is built upon Christ and our faith in Him. Clearly, Peter expressed his faith in Christ in Matthew 16 for the Holy Spirit had revealed to Peter who Christ really was.
@ivanenrile Actually a good number of protestants are now coming back home to the true Church: the Catholic Church. Please watch EWTN's "The Journey Home". Also, Time Magazine featured the current return of protestants to the practice of venerating Mary as Perpetual Virgin and Mother of God. Some of their schools even mount images of Mary in their classrooms. :)
@johnthreesixteen316 Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" (1 Cor. 10:16). So when we receive Communion, we actually participate in the body and blood of Christ, not just eat symbols of them.
@johnthreesixteen316 11:7 forbids eating anything from a pig. In 11:10 oysters are forbidden. Ostrich meat is forbidden in 11:14-19. How many Protestant women follow the rules in 12:1-8? It is interesting how Protestants condemn Catholics as though the rules still apply, when Protestants themselves fail to follow the rules in the same book.
@sashafiercebiatch Metaphorical, I agree. So is 'eating of bread' metaphorical. Christ even says so. Read all of John 6. Accepting Christ's death on the cross is 'eating of the spiritual bread'.
@johnthreesixteen316 In John 6:63 "flesh" does not refer to Christ’s own flesh-the context makes this clear-but to mankind’s inclination to think on a natural, human level. "The words I have spoken to you are spirit" does not mean "What I have just said is symbolic." The word "spirit" is never used that way in the Bible. The line means that what Christ has said will be understood only through faith; only by the power of the Spirit and the drawing of the Father (cf. John 6:37, 44-45, 65).
Ohio: A local court case that raised both concern and anger came to a conclusion on Wednesday when Benjamin R. Boysel, 34, was sentenced to 12 years in prison on four counts of Sexual Battery. Boysel, now living in Medina, Ohio, was formerly employed as the youth pastor at Trinity United Methodist Church in Van Wert.
@johnthreesixteen316 When Jesus wanted to make himself be understood figuratively, he immediately followed his statements with clarifications. In that particular passage, he didn't. In fact, he again repeated his words, and with even greater emphasis, and introduced the statement about drinking his blood: John 6:53-56.
@ivanenrile Slow down on the comments. Our good friends here may think that we are one and the same profile. How I wish youtube would allow two accounts to be logged in at the same time using the same i.p. address
Matthew 4:1-11 : The passage where Jesus rebukes the devil with the phrase "It is written," referring to Scripture. Protestants see in this and other "It is written" passages a vindication of sola scriptura. "See!" they say, "Jesus did not appeal to Tradition or the Church or anything else, but to Scripture.
@johnthreesixteen316 The metaphor "to eat one's flesh" to the Jews meant to abuse and destroy one's character. Do you really think Jesus meant "He that reviles Me has eternal life"?
@johnthreesixteen316 Another proof: 1 Cor 10:16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
Eating literal bread for our salvation is 'works' based religion. We must eat 'spiritual' bread for our salvation. Satan is very tricky. He will stop at nothing to take our minds away from the truth of the cross.
@johnthreesixteen316 So natural human judgment, unaided by God’s grace, is unreliable; but God’s judgment is always true. And were the disciples to understand the line "The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life" as nothing but a circumlocution (and a very clumsy one at that) for "symbolic"?
ead John 15:1-9. In John 15:1-2 is Jesus telling us of His Father's gardening techniques? In John 15:3 Jesus says (to His Apostles) "You are pruned already". Tell me, do you think it hurt when God took the pruning shears to them? In John 15:5 Jesus tells His Apostles they are branches. Do you think Jesus had lost his mind? Finally, in John 15:8 Jesus says "It is to the glory of my Father that you should bear much fruit, and then you will be My disciples."
@johnthreesixteen316 Jn 6:53-56 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him."
@ivanenrile Hahahaha is he trying to say that you and I have the same profile? Oh how quick of us to log in and log out. LOLZ! I tried to do that once but apparently youtube wont allow accounts having the same i.p. address to be logged in at the same time. LOLZ!
The whole idea is to keep hitting Catholics with every charge in the book and keep them on the defensive, not even bothering to deal with their explanations and their rebuttals. It's extremely immature, uncharitable, and what it ultimately shows is that they don't stand a chance of holding their own against us in a real point-for-point debate.
Notice too the implicit warning here. The mere quoting of Scripture is not enough to establish one's truth claims, since here we see the devil himself (mis)quoting Scripture! That's why Peter warned that, "In [Paul's epistles] there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other Scriptures" (2 Peter 3:16).
Besides Christ who is the Word of God (John 1:1,14), some of God's words come down to us in oral fashion (c.f., Acts 20:27; Gal. 1:11-12, 15-16; 1 Thess. 2:13; 2 Tim. 2:2). Christ does not say nor does he imply a "scripture alone" approach to truth in this passage. Rather, he reminds us that we are to cling to and live by every word that he speaks, not just the written words contained in Scripture.
@johnthreesixteen316 The fact is that Christ’s flesh avails much! If it were of no avail, then the Son of God incarnated for no reason, he died for no reason, and he rose from the dead for no reason. Christ’s flesh profits us more than anyone else’s in the world.
@ivanenrile Hello friend. I don't find anything satanic or heretical in kiwichristian2009's words, just biblical truth. If the Bible isn't the authority, then the papacy doesn't have a scriptural thread to hang onto.
@ivanenrile Protestants or Christians? I'm not a member of any 'protestant' church. I am a member of Christ's true church. Saved by the blood of Christ. I hope you are too.
@johnthreesixteen316 If it profits us nothing, so that the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ are of no avail, then "your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished" (1 Cor. 15:17b-18).
@johnthreesixteen316 Under the Old Covenant blood and fat were appointed by God as an atonement, and were therefore reserved for God. Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant (Matthew 5:17-18) and established a New Covenant (or Testament, Matthew 26:28), so the prohibition against drinking blood no longer applies.
@johnthreesixteen316 No one can come up with such interpretations unless he first holds to the Fundamentalist position and thinks it necessary to find a rationale, no matter how forced, for evading the Catholic interpretation.
@kiwichristian2009 What is really interesting is this.....in 1 Peter 2:6-8, Peter himself clearly says that the 'Petra' is Christ. It doesn't get much easier to understand than that.
@johnthreesixteen316 Now read John 6:53 to 66. Jesus says "...if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you will not have life within you." Many of Jesus' followers understood this to mean exactly what Jesus said, and they left Him because of it. If Jesus REALLY meant they had to eat his Body and drink His Blood symbolicly why did He let them go? Why would Jesus be willing to lose followers because they misunderstood Him?
That means that Scripture is sufficient to settle all issues." But that's not at all what this verse means. Notice first of all that in this same Passage Jesus reminds the devil of the passage, "man shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." Not all of God's words are contained in Scripture.
Georgia: A former Kennesaw youth minister and magician who went by the name “Magic Jeff” was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison Wednesday for offering to help children in store restrooms and then secretly videotaping them. Jeffrey Alan Wasley, 39, pleaded guilty earlier this year to federal child pornography charges.
@kiwichristian2009 The spirit of antichrist..... "He can pronounce sentences and judgments in contradiction to the rights of nations, to the law of God and man...He can free himself from the commands of the apostles, he being their superior, and from the rules of the Old Testament...The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ."
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Kudos ivanenrile for valiantly defending the Catholic faith -- ubique semper et ab omnibus! We have to remain strong and steadfast! Not all people will accept Jesus Christ. Not all people will be willing to be under the power of HIS ONE TRUE CHURCH. Pray to Mary, Mother of God ever Virgin and Holy.
This is a dominical Missa Cantata, the altar candles are like in a missa solemnis; at low mass, just two are lit.
@johnthreesixteen316 Catholics also believe that there is only one sacrifice, Jesus', but following the command "as often as" to proclaim the death of the Lord, the sacrifice of Christ is made physically present to every Christian in all places in every age. The Eucharist makes the atemporal aphysical actions of Christ's redeeming action truly present to us always and everywhere. This is incarnational.
Semplicemente stupenda! Coinvolgente! Divina!!!
Questa è la Santa Messa che amo!
There are many instances in the Bible where our good Lord clarified his statements for his listeners when he wanted them to read figuratively. Take for example Matt. 16.5, John 11.11, John 3.3, 3.5. But when he spoke literally, and those who heard Him understood Him correctly but refused to accept what He said, He reasserted the literal meaning again more forcibly cf: Matt 9.2-9.3. John 8.56-8.59
@kiwichristian2009 I agree friend. God holds His Word higher than His name.....Psalms 138:2...."I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name."
There are many instances in the Bible where our good Lord clarified his statements for his listeners when he wanted them to *be understood figuratively.* Take for example Matt. 16.5, John 11.11, John 3.3, 3.5. But when he spoke literally, and those who heard Him understood Him correctly but refused to accept what He said, He reasserted the literal meaning again more forcibly cf: Matt 9.2-9.3. John 8.56-8.59
@johnthreesixteen316 On other occasions when there was confusion, Christ explained just what he meant (cf. Matt. 16:5-12). Here, where any misunderstanding would be fatal, there was no effort by Jesus to correct. Instead, he repeated himself for greater emphasis.
@kiwichristian2009 Well said. I must say I really appreciate the thorough research you put into defending the truth which is in Christ alone.
My ex-Protestant friend, now a good Catholic once told me in a discussion: being guilty of someone’s ‘body and blood’ was to be guilty of murder. How could one be guilty of murder if the body was only a symbol? The Real Presence of Christ’s Body is necessary for an offense to be committed against it. How could one be guilty of the Body and Blood of Christ by simply eating a little bread and drinking a little wine? St. Paul’s words are meaningless without the dogma of the Real Presence.
Thank you for the video. At a time when Christianity is threatened and our European culture eroded it is important to celebrate our heritage and defend it.
Sublime holiness.
At Cooperating with Grace, Luce Michaels reports about Christopher Evans, a former Protestant youth minister in Batavia Township, Ohio. In February 2010, the former minister was found guilty of sexual battery and unlawful sexual conduct involving a 15-year old girl. Evans was to re-appear in court on April 26 for sentencing.
@johnthreesixteen316 However, here are some questions for Protestants: Leviticus contains many rules and regulations. How many of them do Protestants follow today? Leviticus 7:25 forbids eating fat, do Protestants refrain from eating fat?
In April 2010, the Evangelical Church, the second largest Protestant church in Germany issued an apology to numerous victims. In Dusseldorf, the vice-president of the church, Petra Bosse-Huber, said on March 22, 2010, “We are ashamed and upset that such infringements apparently also happened in our church and in our social welfare department. We ask the victims for forgiveness."
@kiwichristian2009 Yes that is true. Only God and His Word are infallible.
@kiwichristian2009 Absolutely true.
@johnthreesixteen316 In John 6:63 "flesh profits nothing" refers to mankind’s inclination to think using only what their natural human reason would tell them rather than what God would tell them. Thus in John 8:15-16 Jesus tells his opponents: "You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone that judge, but I and he who sent me."
@johnthreesixteen316 Biblical proof that mass was celebrated everyday by the early Christians: Every day they devoted themselves to meeting together in the temple area and to breaking bread in their homes. They ate their meals with exultation and sincerity of heart. [Acts 2:46]
@johnthreesixteen316 Paul also said, "Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. . . . For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). "To answer for the body and blood" of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine "unworthily" be so serious?
@johnthreesixteen316 This is really a silly argument, but a popular one, and it shows the extent that some people will go to to try to disprove Catholic doctrine. "I am the Door..." can have a metaphorical sense, for Christ is like a door, since one goes to heaven through Him. He is like a vine, since all the sap of one's spiritual life comes from Him.
cont... He was facing up to 50 years and a fine up to $100,000. About a week after his February court appearance, Evans was found dead in his truck after he shot himself in the face.
@johnthreesixteen316 The answer is simple: they DIDN'T mis-understand Him. Jesus meant exactly what he said. But, being God, Jesus knew there would be some who did not believe. In John 6:64 He says "But there are some of you who do not believe."
@johnthreesixteen316 Are we to understand that Christ had just commanded his disciples to eat his flesh, then said their doing so would be pointless? Is that what "the flesh is of no avail" means? "Eat my flesh, but you’ll find it’s a waste of time"-is that what he was saying? Hardly.
@ivanenrile Hello. The scriptures imply sola scriptura, therefore that truth has been around long before Luther. Have you considered who you are trusting your eternal soul to?
@johnthreesixteen316 Notice that Jesus made no attempt to soften what he said, no attempt to correct "misunderstandings," for there were none. Our Lord’s listeners understood him perfectly well. They no longer thought he was speaking metaphorically. If they had, if they mistook what he said, why no correction?
What are they singing after 2:20 minutes? It's beautiful.
@kiwichristian2009 Amen. Christ made a distinction between petros and Petra for a very good reason. Clearly the 2 are not the same. The church is built upon Christ and our faith in Him. Clearly, Peter expressed his faith in Christ in Matthew 16 for the Holy Spirit had revealed to Peter who Christ really was.
@kiwichristian2009 That is right. Roman Catholics think the woman of Revelation 12 is Mary, but again this isn't true.
@ivanenrile Actually a good number of protestants are now coming back home to the true Church: the Catholic Church. Please watch EWTN's "The Journey Home". Also, Time Magazine featured the current return of protestants to the practice of venerating Mary as Perpetual Virgin and Mother of God. Some of their schools even mount images of Mary in their classrooms. :)
@johnthreesixteen316 Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" (1 Cor. 10:16). So when we receive Communion, we actually participate in the body and blood of Christ, not just eat symbols of them.
Looks like some people below have more than one user profile.
Missa Cantata IS a form of the Traditional Mass...
@johnthreesixteen316 11:7 forbids eating anything from a pig. In 11:10 oysters are forbidden. Ostrich meat is forbidden in 11:14-19. How many Protestant women follow the rules in 12:1-8? It is interesting how Protestants condemn Catholics as though the rules still apply, when Protestants themselves fail to follow the rules in the same book.
@sashafiercebiatch Metaphorical, I agree. So is 'eating of bread' metaphorical. Christ even says so. Read all of John 6. Accepting Christ's death on the cross is 'eating of the spiritual bread'.
@johnthreesixteen316 In John 6:63 "flesh" does not refer to Christ’s own flesh-the context makes this clear-but to mankind’s inclination to think on a natural, human level. "The words I have spoken to you are spirit" does not mean "What I have just said is symbolic." The word "spirit" is never used that way in the Bible. The line means that what Christ has said will be understood only through faith; only by the power of the Spirit and the drawing of the Father (cf. John 6:37, 44-45, 65).
Ohio: A local court case that raised both concern and anger came to a conclusion on Wednesday when Benjamin R. Boysel, 34, was sentenced to 12 years in prison on four counts of Sexual Battery. Boysel, now living in Medina, Ohio, was formerly employed as the youth pastor at Trinity United Methodist Church in Van Wert.
@ivanenrile Why do you quote the Bible (the gates of Gehanna.....) when you don't believe the Bible is the authority?
@johnthreesixteen316 When Jesus wanted to make himself be understood figuratively, he immediately followed his statements with clarifications. In that particular passage, he didn't. In fact, he again repeated his words, and with even greater emphasis, and introduced the statement about drinking his blood: John 6:53-56.
@johnthreesixteen316 Paul’s comment makes sense only if the bread and wine became the real body and blood of Christ.
@ivanenrile Slow down on the comments. Our good friends here may think that we are one and the same profile. How I wish youtube would allow two accounts to be logged in at the same time using the same i.p. address
Matthew 4:1-11 : The passage where Jesus rebukes the devil with the phrase "It is written," referring to Scripture. Protestants see in this and other "It is written" passages a vindication of sola scriptura. "See!" they say, "Jesus did not appeal to Tradition or the Church or anything else, but to Scripture.
@johnthreesixteen316 The metaphor "to eat one's flesh" to the Jews meant to abuse and destroy one's character. Do you really think Jesus meant "He that reviles Me has eternal life"?
@johnthreesixteen316 Another proof: 1 Cor 10:16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
Eating literal bread for our salvation is 'works' based religion. We must eat 'spiritual' bread for our salvation. Satan is very tricky. He will stop at nothing to take our minds away from the truth of the cross.
@johnthreesixteen316 So natural human judgment, unaided by God’s grace, is unreliable; but God’s judgment is always true. And were the disciples to understand the line "The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life" as nothing but a circumlocution (and a very clumsy one at that) for "symbolic"?
ead John 15:1-9. In John 15:1-2 is Jesus telling us of His Father's gardening techniques? In John 15:3 Jesus says (to His Apostles) "You are pruned already". Tell me, do you think it hurt when God took the pruning shears to them? In John 15:5 Jesus tells His Apostles they are branches. Do you think Jesus had lost his mind? Finally, in John 15:8 Jesus says "It is to the glory of my Father that you should bear much fruit, and then you will be My disciples."
@johnthreesixteen316 Jn 6:53-56 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him."
@ivanenrile Hahahaha is he trying to say that you and I have the same profile? Oh how quick of us to log in and log out. LOLZ! I tried to do that once but apparently youtube wont allow accounts having the same i.p. address to be logged in at the same time. LOLZ!
The whole idea is to keep hitting Catholics with every charge in the book and keep them on the defensive, not even bothering to deal with their explanations and their rebuttals. It's extremely immature, uncharitable, and what it ultimately shows is that they don't stand a chance of holding their own against us in a real point-for-point debate.
Notice too the implicit warning here. The mere quoting of Scripture is not enough to establish one's truth claims, since here we see the devil himself (mis)quoting Scripture! That's why Peter warned that, "In [Paul's epistles] there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own
destruction, just as they do the other Scriptures" (2 Peter 3:16).
Besides Christ who is the Word of God (John 1:1,14), some of God's words come down to us in oral fashion (c.f., Acts 20:27; Gal. 1:11-12, 15-16; 1
Thess. 2:13; 2 Tim. 2:2). Christ does not say nor does he imply a "scripture alone" approach to truth in this passage. Rather, he reminds us that we are to cling to and live by every word that he speaks, not just the written words contained in Scripture.
@ivanenrile Wow where did you get those?
@johnthreesixteen316 The fact is that Christ’s flesh avails much! If it were of no avail, then the Son of God incarnated for no reason, he died for no reason, and he rose from the dead for no reason. Christ’s flesh profits us more than anyone else’s in the world.
@kiwichristian2009 I wonder if any 'heretic' Christians were invited?
@ivanenrile Hello friend. I don't find anything satanic or heretical in kiwichristian2009's words, just biblical truth. If the Bible isn't the authority, then the papacy doesn't have a scriptural thread to hang onto.
a french song in the TLM?
@ivanenrile Protestants or Christians? I'm not a member of any 'protestant' church. I am a member of Christ's true church. Saved by the blood of Christ. I hope you are too.
It was during the distribution of Communion; it's tolerated I think.
@johnthreesixteen316 If it profits us nothing, so that the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ are of no avail, then "your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished" (1 Cor. 15:17b-18).
I'd love to see a fiddleback chasuble like the one the priest Is wearing
@johnthreesixteen316 Under the Old Covenant blood and fat were appointed by God as an atonement, and were therefore reserved for God. Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant (Matthew 5:17-18) and established a New Covenant (or Testament, Matthew 26:28), so the prohibition against drinking blood no longer applies.
@johnthreesixteen316 No one can come up with such interpretations unless he first holds to the Fundamentalist position and thinks it necessary to find a rationale, no matter how forced, for evading the Catholic interpretation.
@kiwichristian2009 What is really interesting is this.....in 1 Peter 2:6-8, Peter himself clearly says that the 'Petra' is Christ. It doesn't get much easier to understand than that.
@johnthreesixteen316 Now read John 6:53 to 66. Jesus says "...if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you will not have life within you." Many of Jesus' followers understood this to mean exactly what Jesus said, and they left Him because of it. If Jesus REALLY meant they had to eat his Body and drink His Blood symbolicly why did He let them go? Why would Jesus be willing to lose followers because they misunderstood Him?
@johnthreesixteen316 Yes apparently as I have said before, even Satan can (mis)quote Biblical passages to suit his own evil purposes. Cheers! :)
The fiddleback is not seen nowadays
By the way, if you say that the crucifiction was satan's plan, ... mmm, That's the greates heresy of all time.
That means that Scripture is sufficient to settle all issues." But that's not at all what this verse means. Notice first of all that in this same Passage Jesus reminds the devil of the passage, "man shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." Not all of God's words are contained in Scripture.
LOL!
I would like to hear some more black legends against the Papacy. I find them funny and entertaining.
@ivanenrile LOLZ
@johnthreesixteen316 It is not spiritual, sorry.
Georgia: A former Kennesaw youth minister and magician who went by the name “Magic Jeff” was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison Wednesday for offering to help children in store restrooms and then secretly videotaping them. Jeffrey Alan Wasley, 39, pleaded guilty earlier this year to federal child pornography charges.
@kiwichristian2009 The spirit of antichrist..... "He can pronounce sentences and judgments in contradiction to the rights of nations, to the law of God and man...He can free himself from the commands of the apostles, he being their superior, and from the rules of the Old Testament...The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ."