Tridentine Latin Mass: Last Sunday after Pentecost (2/8)
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- [Part 2 of 8] Missa Cantata, or sung Low Mass, offered on the Last Sunday after Pentecost at the Roman Catholic Parish of St. Nicholas of Chardonnet in Paris, France.
This is the Eucharistic liturgy of the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church celebrated according to the 1962 Roman Missal (Missale Romanum), also commonly referred to as the Tridentine Rite, or Tridentine Mass, or Tridentine Latin Mass, or Old Latin Mass, or classical Latin Mass, or Traditional Latin Mass (TLM).
This same Mass may be viewed or downloaded on Google as one full-length video: video.google.co...
A "missa cantata" is an approved form of celebration of the Traditional Roman Rite of Mass which serves as a compromise between a Low Mass (which involves no music or incense, by definition) and a Solemn High Mass (which has strict instructions and requirements for celebration that cannot be met in many parishes). For more information, please read this fine article in the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia: www.newadvent.o...
The texts of the Latin prayers, and English translations of the same, which are common to every Traditional Latin Mass can be found here: www.sacred-text...
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I can hear this choirs over and over again. this is wonderfull
im 21...ive been workin in my diocese for the traditional mass to return to every parish since i was 14...things have greatly changed in these last few years....i only pray that those who nearly lost their faith in the 1960's will regain it before its too late...u cant even conceive how many people stopped going to mass when it was changed...i beg and plead with them daily to come back...and they are still so hurt....
There is a valid mass with valid priests 2 hours north of Miami
One of the best Tridentione Mass videos i have seen. There is a real atmosphere here and real participation. Thank you for uploading. God Bless the Catholic Church. Thank God this tridition is alive and well, and encouraged by Holy Mother Church
How beautifully they sing the Gloria...and they do not even need someone waving their arms at them!
Congratulations on bringing back the Catholic Mass for all to see.
Una verdadera joya que podemos apreciar; pero tambien existen los demas rituos antiguos del Bautismo, Confirmacion, Matrimonio etc. al mismo que las tradiciones y devociones que ya no nos enseñan el las Iglesias donde solo no exponen a un catecismo moderno. Desde que descubri la misa en Latin, me abrio las puertas a lo bello que realmente es ser Catolico. INFORMENSE! No se queden con los brasos cruzados y aprendan a practicar la verdadera Fe Catolica. Jesus y Maria les bendigan.
Beautiful interpretation of the gregorian chant! Nice group!
This Mass is awesome....
If you wish to locate a Tridentine Mass near you, I encourage you to google for a website known as "Wikki Missa". It is a constantly updated worldwide database of every Tridentine Mass being offered. I pray you find one!
Pax.
Keep the faith, friend. There is a God, and He is certainly an enigma, but as surely as humanity exists, God exists. Without God we collapse into a meaningless non-human existence. To quote the immortal Tolkien, "There's some good in this world Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for."
I see churches with the protestantized novus ordo mass half empty, meanwhile the traditional mass are full. More reverence, more beauty, more solemnity. This is a real mass!
In that case attend any valid Traditional Mass, SSPX, SSPV, TRENTO, CMRI, THUC, all are Trent. Our Trento chapel has Mass & Confession often during the week, an apartment attached to the chapel is convenient for the priest to stay & visit the & dying. He is for weeks at a time, offers Mass daily. You become familiar not by the Mass you attend, but by the Missal you use, with English translations of the Mass next to the Latin.. Call Fr. Baumberger & have one sent. He is SSPV in Montana.
We will warmly welcome you to come home to your and our church, the ROMAN CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
As an Anglican Convert I was received into the Church with an open mind. Our Lady weeps for England her Dowry and St. Denys cries to OLJC for France. Only repentance and Love can bring Europe back to the true Catholic faith. It doesn't matter if we see God in the 'Antique Use' or in a well sung modern mass
Worship the Lord in the beauty of Holiness!
Faith is a journey. Let your fruit be holy, and your love a path to Him.
I have study the bible but i have never found any contradiction whatsoever.The bible is the word of God that speak for itself,only to those who have never study the bible got no idea what it meant.Jesus is the only answer to our prayer.
Lots of singing!
Lots of analysis and thought being done here, it’s like walking round a museum with a guide book and not looking at the artwork. Enjoy the music and feel Gods presence and spirit in the mass. Forget the theory and experience God’s love in the mass for us all.
How about a topping on the communion wafer?
Possibles could include peanut butter, whipped cream,
plum jam.
For cheese lovers there could be french onion dip,
blue vein cheese, or the economical cheddar.
What do you plum for?
Glòŕia 😊
Thank you for posting this. The Latin Mass is so beautiful! Thank God for Pope Benedict and his work to re-establish the Latin Mass.
John29270
I know, but the one thing I adored about the TLM was that one day a Gautamalan came into my parish, he picked up a Latin-Spanish Missal and for an hour and a half, we spoke the same language. A friend of mine, before he converted, regularly attended TLM together. But, yes getting obsessed with Latin and other pre-Vatican II goodies isn't too healthy for the faith either. I've spoken with sedevacantists who think the faith is just an intellectual chess game.
Mi estimado amigo ixtoc, dónde nos fuimos a encontrar por obra de la casualidad.
Estoy fascinado viendo estas misas hermosas y momumentales de las que tanto me habías platicado.
Es el espectáculo más hermoso que hubiesen presenciado estos ojos que se han de comer los gusanos.
Ya han sido plenamente autorizadas y debo asistir a ellas sin falta.
Muchos saludos y que Dios te bendiga por siempre.
Against what am I writing, if not narrow-mindedness?
Narrow-mindedness in others does not make me bitter, only sad.
Very pretty picture of the Misal at 4:34, but this is not the incantation of the Gloria as sung by the priest!
Very glad to hear the congregation singing in alternance with the choir.
Does the Traditonal Church count Sundays after Pentacost or after Trinity?
What justifies praying in Latin and reading the Bible in French?
The Epistle was read in French-this is not an Indult Mass approved by the Catholic Church but a Mass of the Society of St Pius X which is not in communion with Rome formally.
Order of Service Holy Communion: which one? Several versions are authorised by the Anglican Church including those of 1552, 1662, 1928, the Series 1, 2 3 of the 1960s & 70s etc.
Search Google "Anglicans and Mary".
Wiki has an article "Anglican Marian Theology" and there is a joint Anglican-Catholic document on shared beliefs.
Glorious
Yes, the epistle was read in french, but I don't understand what has that to do with the fact that it's SSPX. Indult masses uses this too, or reading in vernacular after (the gospel too). It has been this way since long ago.
When I heard mass in Tours Cathedral in 1966, I was not phased because the order of service was more or less that of a "High" Anglican Cathedral Mass and the kyrie and gloria (sung on this video) were familiar to me.
Not all Anglican churches have this tendancy; far from it! Methodists invite "all ye that love the Lord Jesus" to approach the table and receive communion. this is very sane, it strikes me.
It's funny because when I asked my priest if he could say a Latin Mass he told me that a 19 year old should not worry about a dead mass and that no one would want to attend. But when I told a few of the people in the parish they all said they would like to have a latin mass. I think most priests are refusing to say the the old mass because they don't know how to speek Latin. It's sad really.
Plus the novus ordo is a dying religion
As to Ste Thérèse being sick: she suffered much from Tuberculosis.
Is this SSPX or actually Catholic?
this is why i want to become catholic! the divine mass.
If the liturgy had been carefully updated (and translated) after the Vatican Council, and if moreover the old rite had been kept in place as an alternative for the faithful who wanted it, the traditionalist movements would never have come to pass.
It appears that the subdeacon is reading the Epistle in the vernacular while the priest reads the Epistle aloud in Latin on the altar. It's been done this way for many years.
i love the Latin Mass.
La misa de siempre, ojalá la tengamos de vuelta muy pronto. Los excesos de la nueva misa están matando la liturgia, lastimosamente.
Who posted this thing here?
There is something that I have always wondered. How similare is the Anglican service to the Catholic mass? I've heard that it's very close. and do Anglicans Honor Mary?
No creo que la gente estuviera más "fanatizada" que en cualquier otra época, incluso hoy en día.
Acá no discutimos eso, simplemente queremos de vuelta nuestro legado litúrgico.
I wonder, since part of the service, the reading, was in the vernacular (in this case French) rather than solely in Latin, whether this was an officially approved "indulgence" to perform the old mass by Paris' Bishop.
that was great
Sorry interupted by domestic query.
should read... therefore of God. Writen the Feast of the Annunciation and the English ( Old Calendar) New Years Eve.
Esta es la verdadera Litúrgia Católica.
Desde México: Viva Cristo Rey
@Protokletos The Masses on EWTN mix English and Latin together, and they're great. They're all Novus Ordo Masses, but they're extremely reverent. I suggest taking a look at some of those.
@jmf43 Thank you and God bless you
Interesting archeological document.
Trent Mass cannot "die out." It is perpetually guaranteed on earth. Pope St. Pius V finalized the Trent Mass in perpetuity & Catholics offer Mass for themselves & the souls in Purgatory, the effication of which is applied to shorten their suffering for sins Our Lord cannot remove the Trent Mass from the world--He died to bring its Grace &fruits thus Trent Mass bestows these gifts on the souls of the Church Suffering in Purgatory and on the Church Militant on earth.
His Eminence acquiesced to the pope. He was an archconservative after all.
But he did disagree with Paul VI as regards the Novus Ordo Missae. Yhe authors of the "Ottaviani Intervention" never said they had been persuaded the views they offered were incorrect.
@polakmax Excuse me but the new liturgy is very similar to a protestant service. It is radically different to the Tridentine Liturgy. The prayers were stripped out and it dumbed down Catholicism. This mass converted Nations and Saints celebrated it. Always in history, it has been culture and the world that has been shaped by Catholicism, why? Because the Church's transcendence speaks unto the world, however if we incorporate the world in us, we lose the faith of the apostles.
I want to learn Latin, I am a catholic, but I have never seen a Latin Mass!
Now this was a Mass, The Tridentine Latin Mass, I was an Alter boy back then and this was the Mass. Low or High Mass. People filled the church at every mass then. Not like it is today. We still have one church here that has the Latin Mass on Sundays and yes its packed. So why not bring it back??? The Priest of today don't ever know Latin anymore. Too bad..... to..
Let us pray for celebrating The Traditional Latin Mass Tridentine 1962 in every parish in Indonesia
Todo ello fué desde el Concilio Vaticano II. Benedicto XVI ha autorizado de nuevo las misas Tridentinas, levantando una gran polvareda por parte de los enemigos de siempre de la Iglesia Católica.
Saludos y que Dios te bendiga.
Where is this church? No way it was actually BUILT by the SSPX -- or was it?
@Balti50 The kissing of the priest's hand is a respect for his priesthood, for the offering up of the Eucharist, the Body and Blood of Christ.
It may feel weird the first time or two, but after several times it does not bother you. I go to an Eastern church where everyone in the church kisses the priest's hand after venerating the cross following liturgy.
Agreed though, what I meant was that we should have TLMs once or twice every week so that we will be familiarized with the TLM rubrics.
"Guess" is the word.
I wonder what criteria and statistics you think you're basing your assertions on.
q hermoso!! amo la misa tridentina!! viva Cristo rey, y viva lefebvre! y el santo papa benedicto XVI
You can find many, many books, research, government papers, laws, information and disinformation on internet, but much more than you can find in school or in a public library.
Culture is not only a question of the conventions of a language, which BTW is not the same as even 300 years ago.
How do you translate
Pollution, computer, iPod into latin?
Yes, the latin sung mass is very beautiful. But not the only liturgy possible.
What point are you trying to make?
not too shabby
Newton & Descartes (arguably christians, both) wrote and published in latin: but not because it was a sacred language, but a universal one for scholars.
strange about the Greek Kyrie....
Que verdad...how true.
A magnificent video so far of the Traditional Latin Mass. However, I wonder if this is a legitimate one, since it's by the schismatic Society of St. Pius the Tenth.
Feels like the way Mass should be....There just seems to be so much more respect and reverence in this type of Mass, in contrast with a modern Mass.
Hopefully the Holy See can be reconciled to Catholicism at the same time.
@latinflava05
I agree with the premise of your statement! But for the record, Latin is not the basis of English; Anglo-Saxon and Germanic languages are. English is full of Latin loan words, most of which came into English via the Norman Invasion. But your evaluation of the value of Latin is on point!
Why shouldn't the faithful support SSPX? Because you say so? Nonsense.
Thanks.I should have looked this up in my prewar missals.
Sorry but no for the latin.
The only reason to pray, sing and celebrate in latin WAS that it was a 'universal' language.
However a 40 year old friend can sing the Agnus Dei, but has no idea what it means!
Latin was not the first language used by Christans. Were early believers not able to give worship & glory to God?
"Do this in remembrance of me" is directed towards believers, I'd say.
Sources?
Statistics?
Vatican officials has confirmed that Pope Benedict XVI plans to loosen restrictions on celebrating the old Latin Mass, reviving a rite that was essentially swept away by the revolutionary reforms of the Second Vatican Council. Pope Benedict is also acting in a bid to reach out to the Society of St. Pius X, and bring it back into the Vatican's fold.
it always was if you are truly Catholic, you must believe this
yes he did, but when Jesus rose from the dead, he tested peters faith one last time before ascending into heaven, to make up not only for the 3 times he denied him, but rather for ALL the times his faith was was in danger of being lost. read John 21:15. it explains all!
The fractured parts of the Mass had numerous defects before the Council of Trent was called to codify in perpetuity a single Mass Form of the Consecration. You can read about these defects in the ACTA in Latin proving the Mass was NOT IN EXISTENCE in the Trent Form, but was varied & questionable--even at times had become invalid with so many unintentional defects. The history of these changes prior to 1570 is found in the Doctors writings of that time, in Latin, collected by Gratian's Decretals.
The sacraments of confession and marraige are invalid as the priests do not posses valid faculties from the local ordinary. The only exception is confession, but only when the penitent is in grave risk of death. Regular confession is invalid. All of the priests are still suspended meaning. This means that the Mass they say is Valid, but illicit because again they have no faculties provided by the local ordinary.
What's your point?
when I put the tridentine rite next to the nuvo ordo messa, the only difference is the omission of the extensive opening ritual that stems from the early period of the church in Rome. then the bishop (pope) went into one of the seven churches, where he arrived on horseback (hence the choir) and sprinkled the believers before going to the sacristy to prepare for Mass. The use of Latin alone is simply because the missionaries have learned and transferred in the first centuries. this is therefore not so important for a good celebration.
The prayers for the Eucharist have been shortened to a powerful prayer. Jesus also said that you should not pray with many words because God knows what you want.
In the end it's about being there with all your heart. whether it is the tridentine or the nuvo ordo.
Do not judge because then you are already convicted.
Pacem.
Asthetics have nothing to do with valid Mass, it can be said by a valid priest anywhere--Mass in wartime was offered on the back of a jeep or in a tent. Only an altar stone is required, a priest had his Mass kit, chalice, wine & host. Priests said Mass on the back a jeep, under fire. Anything to bring Sanctifying Grace of Our Lord's Sacrifice to soldiers about to die. Sedevacantists knew again in 1968 what St. Athanasius & the flock & early Christians had to do. It's all about validity.
I wonder why the women don’t wear the veil over their heads?
the FSSP is Catholic. The SSPX is Protestant. Huge difference...
@ReasonableAtheist I don't think that believing in the credibility of deductive arguments for God's existence is anything to do with wishful thinking. In fact if you read the 5 ways of St Thomas Aquinas, the ontological argument of St Anselm, the Kalam Cosmological argument and many other rational proofs for God's existence, you will see that such a being is more than necessary to explain the intricacy of the universe and why there is something rather than nothing.
Didn't Peter deny Jesus?
There wouldn't even BE Protestants had not Catholics carried the Cross of Christ for the first 1,500 years.
Exactly!
Heretic?
I can find no public declaration of his renunciation of Biblical stements...
Jesus never said, for example, of the Trinity "three in one and one in three".
Plutão evangelos Gino .! God bless catholics on the planet
What is the point giong to the mass when you don't understand what they are saying.I was christening as a catholic ,but the teaching of the roman catholic contradict the Holy Bible all the way.I pray for those in the catholic church who truly have a heart for God to find enough strenght to come out of her in the name of Jesus.
where do I find Latin Mass in Atlanta?
Go head, be my guest and enjoy!!
LOL
Jesus is the Fucking Christ no matter WHAT language you say it in! Alleluia sisters and brothers!
For sure, you are protestant. "Communion wafers"...
The Eucharisty, for us.
Correct. This part has always puzzeled me. I have asked many priests about this and have received as many answers. I personally fell that they have the necessary faculties or not. The only exception I really see is in immediate danger of death. Even a defrocked, laicized priest has faculties in this case. I hope that the faculties situation is cleared up in Rome soon. Good Catholics should not have to worry whether a priest has faculties or not.
"In fact, with the Mass in the vernacular, it's easier for the faithful to recognize and report abuse."
so that the bishop will do absolutely NOTHING about it and you have to take it to cardinal arinze,who will do something
John29270
Yeah but that's the problem. There are so many Catholics who complain about Latin, but the Jews speak Hebrew and the Muslims, Arabic. Why not have our own language?
PS I've also come to grips with the NO.
I agree with all you say. But you don't answer my point about the relevance of the Church in our day and age.
Personally, I know a lot of bitter ld men in the Catholic Church and... maybe 5% of ....open-minded believers.
In 2009, I feel that internet preserves culture and learning....
I Accuse the council....
If the people want to know the actual words they can read the Mass in their own language. That is what the Missal for the Faithful is. Every missal can be transposed to their own language. The Priest, howedver, MUST OFFER THE MASS IN THE LANGUAGE COMMANDED by the Church. Vernacular will never be used to offer Trent Mass. Never. .