Great video and great comparison. Thanks for doing it. The pot stands on the Soto Windmaster extend out flat, so the pot makes much better contact with them...and the pot stays closer to the Soto's burner. And having a 4-prong pot stand as an added option with the Soto Windmaster is also really nice. The pot stands on the MSR Deluxe angle upwards slightly, so the pot makes contact with them at only 3 small points (so pot may be more likely to slip off)...and the pot is further from the MSR's burner, especially a wider pot. The base of the Soto Windmaster (where it screws into the gas canister) has a double o-ring design, so it seals to the canister better. The MSR Deluxe only has a single o-ring design.
I have watched a bunch of head to head canister stove comparisons and I gotta say this was one of the best. Thanks for taking the time to do this and doing the test right.
Thank you so much for this great comparison video. I bought the Windmaster instead of the PRD prior to watching your video and I'm happy to learn the Windmaster is more fuel-efficient and a slightly faster water boiler. I also like the ability to swap between the Tri-flex and 4flex. Though I hate that you could misplace your potholder on the Windmaster.
Huck yeah! 🤘 SOTO for the win. I love MSR products but the Windmaster is the best burner I've ever used. I suspected it was superior, just from my experience with both, but never tested.That was a great head to head battle to settle it once and for all. Thanks.
Thanks Spiguyver, one thing I noticed is the diameter difference of the pot arms. The Soto will accommodate a smaller diameter pot safely where as the PRD, like the PR2, you can easily knock a pot off if your not careful. If I was to go back to the dark side it would be a no brainer for me. SOTO WINDMASTER!!!!! Thanks for doing these stove reviews!
Great test 👍 I'd like to point out that the MSR is a copy of the windmaster. Also that Soto makes great gear. And we must not fail to point out that the Soto also gives you pot holder options...a 3 arm or a 4arm version. Not so with msr... so let's see.. it's better made. It's original. Cost efficient. Great on fuel mileage. Better performance. Pot leg options. A way cooler name. Supports a smaller company. So yes I love it. And I can scramble eggs with it with ease 😊😊
I know this video is a bit old now, but I just watched it after picking up the MSR for $58 (with tax) last night on a spur of the moment purchase. A local retailer I was browsing had all their stoves on sale for 20% off (including the new Jetboil Stash they had out on shelf). I knew of the Soto, but I got excited thinking I was getting a better bargain for a better stove because my initial research found that the MSR supposedly outperforms the Soto. The guys at Backpacking Light (who are very scientific with their testing procedures) and the folks at GearLab all tested the MSR to be both faster AND more importantly, more fuel efficient than the Soto. GearLab states that the MSR took only .4 oz of fuel to bring 1 liter of water to boil in calm conditions clocked at 3 min 39 sec while it took .7 oz with wind ranging from 2-4 mph, clocking in at 7 min 20 sec. For the Soto, they measured .5 oz of fuel used for 1 liter of water, taking over a minute longer at 4 min 42 sec in calm conditions. However it tied the MSR at .7 oz in fuel used in their wind test and was clocked to be just a wee slower at 7 min 24 sec. REI also specs the MSR to average a much faster boil than the Soto, BUT specs the Soto to be considerably more fuel efficient. The MSR is also a hair lighter out of the box since the Soto now requires buying its Triflex support for an additional $10 to beat the MSR out in weight. So now I'm wondering, did you let your pot cool down entirely from the MSR test before putting water in to start the Soto test? And is it possible that there was just a little less breeze for the few minutes you had the Soto going? Regardless, there's a lot of conflicting tests and results out there between these two. Obviously you and Devin are maintaining loyalty with the Soto given the results of your backyard comparison tests, but I wonder why other testers and reviewers out there have published results that say otherwise, giving the edge to the MSR. Perhaps the MSR really does do better in more precise controlled tests? Still, you now have me second guessing my purchase. I now have to decide between keeping the MSR or whether it'd be worth it to return it and spend an additional $20 to get the Soto + Triflex for the option to save a half oz of weight and to have interchangeable supports to better stabilize various pot/pan sizes.
OMG, have been waiting for this video ! I mainly use an alcohol stove, but now and then depending on where I go, (regulations) , trip length, etc,.. I use a canister stove. I hate the noise of canister stoves and like very fuel efficient stoves. So you hit on the few points that were most important to me between the two stoves, thank you so much for doing this test. 👍 👍👍👍
I have bought the SOTO windmaster. Last year after doing a lot of research. I believe it is the best stove on the market for delivering the fastest boil using the least amount of fuel. I really like the fact it’s quieter and has a simmer mode that’s great for cooking food instead of just heating water. It’s like having two stoves in one. But knowing I have to carry less fuel to cover the same amount of time on trail, gives me peace of mind.
Some times the lightest gear is not always the best. The Soto Windmaster and the NEMO Tensor are two examples I can think of that I would never go on the trail without.
I have the MSR P.R.D and the igniter stopped working. I called MSR and they wouldn't even sell me the parts to fix it. They said that I would have to send it in and wait 8 weeks to get it back. If I'm not mistaken parts for the SOTO are readily available.
Yes, that's correct. The whole process with MSR was enough to really turn me off from their products. If you search I have a couple of other videos that talk about the issues I had, and the problems. Soto for the win!
I thought this was a fair & objective comparison + it was done outside in windy conditions which are the conditions most of us will encounter when using a canister stove out on the trail, in real life. I especially like your method of measuring fuel consumption that shows the SW uses less fuel to boing the same quantity of water. That is THE METRIC in my mind & WHY I'll be buying a Stot Windmaster if & when REI puts it "ON SALE" with a discounted price.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 And I was biased going into your review toward MSR simply because I've been using an MSR Whisperlite for the last 35+ years. It's been a trusted, loyal, reliable FRIEND.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 That stove will be an heirloom in my Will. I know how to start it minus the fireball when starting & once a year I remove the burner rings, clean 'em up, use the lil cat's whisker to clean the orifice in the jet, reassemble everything & I know the stove will produce that perfect & beautiful blue circle of fire for another year.
Thanks for this as I was going To buy the MSR but now no way, I’m going Soto Windmaster! Also notice how the Soto sits closer to the bottom of the pot less space between
Thanks for the test! I've been waiting for someone to step up and compare the two. I would like to comment, however, on the pot stand arms and how I personally feel those make a difference. The PRD pot stand arms angle, from center, upward away from the burner head. The SW pot stand arms are flat - straight across. The diameter of the pot you used was raised (guessing here) about twice as high on the PRD as opposed to the SW. Does this make a difference, of course. How much remains to be seen. The other question I would pose is in regard to cooking finesse. Simmer capability is important to me. Since the PRD allows for more space between the flame pattern and the pot (depending upon the diameter of the pot) in the simmer mode than the SW, I would suggest that the PRD is a better stove for controlled cooking and simmer capability. Titanium is light and that's a plus for pack weight but titanium is not cooking friendly. Unless you are just boiling water, the PRD MIGHT BE the better option. Thanks again!
i agree with the soto and for the price, it came with changeable legs? awesome. the only thing i would want on the soto is the piezo igniter positioning from the Pocket Rocket Deluxe, it looks more slim
I have both and while my Pocket Rocket Deluxe doesn't have your noisy defect I prefer the Soto, anyway. Beyond the trivial differences, it irks me a bit that a successful liquid-fuel brand like MSR, knowing it has many great designs under its belt, had to contract out the PRD to Kovea just to clone the Soto. I feel like the could have added something innovative instead of mimicking.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 lol, I came across here from Devan's review of the two! 😁👌🏿 I have a really old and excellent little gas canister stove but I'm now in the process of upgrading to a lightweight one. 😊 I'm pretty sure I will get the Soto.
Wind always blows harder out on Sorgum Mill rd. just saying. Or is that Coffee Creek. The wind master is my go to stove when river kayak camping up and down the Cimarron.. Sorry the state doesn't really have any designated hiking trails on the Cimarron , but i have seen them out there ,maybe they were created by cattle not sure.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 Actually Kingfisher area now but i lived at Fairway estates on Bryant and Oak Tree Park on 220th for years. I built homes for like 23 years in Edmond. Country boy forced into city life and now back to my roots and exploring the rivers every chance i get. I think the best trails on the Cimarron would probably be from 74 hwy and all the way west to 81 hwy to almost Okeene. I haven't had the chance to make to hwy 77 and east, but i should be able to let you know by May if the CFS stays high enough.
Now I know not to replace my Soto Windmaster. Saved me $70. FYI - You might consider using two new canisters when doing your tests. One for each stove. That way, you ensure that the previous burn test doesn't negatively (or positively) affect the next test. Thanks for putting out this info. Zman (AT 2013)
Carl Zimmerman I agree with you, but I only had one brand new one and wanted to get this done and out for you before I went on vacation! Glad I could help, keep the Soto, it’s solid!
I have the Soto, great stove, I use it when my MSR Windburner isn't necessary. It actually got hot enough to warp my titanium mug. Ha! Don't care, great stove!
How tall. Soto windmaster barely a fit into a standard canister cup like a 650 or 750 anyting. Question is is does the MSR Nest as well or better in a standard canister size cup
I'd been waiting for a sale and *finally* caught one last week (not my typical luck). The stove w/4-plex was $48 and the Tri-plex was another $8. I had to buy a new Trangia Mini spirit burner ($11) to get to the free shipping threshold. Yay me. 🎉🏕
My Soto came with only the 4-leg stand. Understand the 3-leg folds flat, while the 4-leg hogs-up a lot of real-estate in a poking-other-gear fashion. Where does one acquire the 3-leg Soto stand?
Instead of running them wide open i think it would have been better to run them medium low ish and instead compared the two metrics you get from that, which are time to boil and(most importantly) fuel used. A through hiker would be more willing to wait a few mins for better overall efficiency imo.
It's tough to have it be objective when you are using different settings. I get exactly what you're saying, but from a testing perspective that is a tough one to achieve without having people poke holes in any result you come up with. Thanks!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1t to make it somewhat standardized you could open each one a set number of turns say 1.5 or something.The metric of how efficient a stove is at normalish operation, is more important than seeing how a stove performs at 100% which is a setting most through hikers aren't ever going to use. To put it another way, these stoves probably behave totally differently than how they tested at 100% because your just seeing which lets more gas through at that point. The two important factors here are the canister weight and time to boil. Ty for the video as well.
Jeff Hallman To some extent yes. But be careful with what you do/use for a screen, canister stove manufacturers do not recommend windscreens because the increased temperatures could be a risk for an exploding canister. I’ve never heard of it happening, but wouldn’t want to tempt fate too much. Some love the BRS, some hate it. I’m in between. I’ve used it and it works, but it is not great in the OK ind even attempting to block the wind.
Honestly I have been very disappointed with msr . I got a new whisperlite universal stove and out of the box it leaked fuel around the plunger in the pump when pressurizing the fuel bottle and fuel would leak into priming cup when the fuel valve was off. I had to send it back to msr with my own money . I also bought the optimus Polaris and it performed flawlessly and it's my new favorite stove. Msr said it would take 4 to 6 weeks to get my stove back. I will just throw it in the trash can and never buy any of the liquid fuel stoves again. I hate that their pump is plastic vs the polarius with its metal pump . Even the primus omni fuel has a metal pump. Its sad msr has went down the tubes and it looks like the deluxe against the soto shows it. Just like the dragonfly vs the nova. The windpro 2 vs the vega .
I just started a warranty claim for my MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe, will be doing a video to show why. I got the same sort of timeframe for gettin g mine back, and yes, shipping back to them is at my own expense. Pretty crappy!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 I completely agree things should work right when you pay hard earned money for them and we shouldn't have to send something back at our expense then be penalized 4 to 6 weeks. That's why I love benchmade knives , great quality, excellent customer service and only takes about 10 days for them to fix or fully rebuild and sharpen a blade. If msr was like benchmade we would be happy campers . From here on out I'm only buying optimus stoves.
HA!!!! YES!!! SOTO for the win!! So glad to see MSR's "similar" design is an inferior product. Great video and possibly the most intriguing head to head yet. Great video man! Thanks for this one!!
Very cool great video thank you for the information as I told you before I am still fairly new to the backpacking community and I've been thinking about getting both of these stoves not both but one of the stoves and couldn't make my mind up does the Soto have the same technology that the MSR has about using all the fuel in the can or something like that the guy at REI said that the MSR has some new peace in it which will help it use all the fuel or use better fuel or something when it gets close to the end of the fuel I'm not sure exactly he worded it a lot better than I can I hope you know what I'm talkin about if not it's okay have a blessed day
Realistically there is very little to choose between these stoves and anyway what are you going to do with the 19seconds saved with the Soto🤣🤣 As for the boil time, who really cares and if you are sad enough to be that interested why??? Oh! One last thing the Soto is rated at 11000 BTU output while the PRD is 10400 hence the slower boil time. About the only significant point to take into account if you are using these stoves for a through hike, is clearly, the amount of gas they use and again these table top demos are purely subjective no matter how hard they try not to be! Just like the majority of alcohol stoves that take roughly 6-8minutes to boil 1/2lt most canister stoves take 2-3 give or take! Oh! And I don’t own either of these stoves😂🤣😂🤣 kind regards from across the pond from Clive in deepest Dorset England 👍
Thanks for coming back to me! My everyday stove that I carry in my EDC when I go out is an old Colman F1😂 it’s a super lightweight at 73gm, collapses into nothing and fits underneath a 100g cartridge which then all fit into my snowpeak 600(?)ml mug. I suppose you would call me a bit of a nerd where stoves are concerned as I have about 20+ covering the whole range, from micro solid fuel weighing in at a couple of grams to my very first white gas (petrol!) Optimus at about 1.5lb😂 original Jetboil, Flash and mini mo! 2 msr’s etc. Etc. It’s just as well I’ve got a small garden shed! At 70 I’ve been told to reduce but in my book you can never have enough stoves! All the very best to you, stay safe and keep the videos coming, they are much appreciated 👍 regards Clive
Here is a definitive article published in May 2020 that definitively quantifies Soto as being 29% more fuel efficient than the Pocket Rocket: outdooreager.com/soto-windmaster-vs-pocket-rocket-deluxe/#comment-89
Great video and great comparison. Thanks for doing it. The pot stands on the Soto Windmaster extend out flat, so the pot makes much better contact with them...and the pot stays closer to the Soto's burner. And having a 4-prong pot stand as an added option with the Soto Windmaster is also really nice. The pot stands on the MSR Deluxe angle upwards slightly, so the pot makes contact with them at only 3 small points (so pot may be more likely to slip off)...and the pot is further from the MSR's burner, especially a wider pot. The base of the Soto Windmaster (where it screws into the gas canister) has a double o-ring design, so it seals to the canister better. The MSR Deluxe only has a single o-ring design.
Great points! Thanks!
The Soto stays true to its name, still the Master.
Right on!
I want one.
I love mine
Bater?
@Caiden Josiah you’re right, no one gives a shit.
I have watched a bunch of head to head canister stove comparisons and I gotta say this was one of the best. Thanks for taking the time to do this and doing the test right.
Thank you!
Thank you so much for this great comparison video. I bought the Windmaster instead of the PRD prior to watching your video and I'm happy to learn the Windmaster is more fuel-efficient and a slightly faster water boiler. I also like the ability to swap between the Tri-flex and 4flex. Though I hate that you could misplace your potholder on the Windmaster.
You made the right choice!
I've got the Windmaster................and the grass is no longer maybe greener in the next pasture. Thank you!
Stick with that Windmaster, it's a great stove!
Huck yeah! 🤘 SOTO for the win. I love MSR products but the Windmaster is the best burner I've ever used. I suspected it was superior, just from my experience with both, but never tested.That was a great head to head battle to settle it once and for all. Thanks.
Thanks!
Thanks Spiguyver, one thing I noticed is the diameter difference of the pot arms. The Soto will accommodate a smaller diameter pot safely where as the PRD, like the PR2, you can easily knock a pot off if your not careful. If I was to go back to the dark side it would be a no brainer for me. SOTO WINDMASTER!!!!! Thanks for doing these stove reviews!
Very true, and also the angle of the pot arms is different, where the soto's are flat, the MSR are angled in.
Great test 👍
I'd like to point out that the MSR is a copy of the windmaster. Also that Soto makes great gear. And we must not fail to point out that the Soto also gives you pot holder options...a 3 arm or a 4arm version. Not so with msr... so let's see.. it's better made. It's original. Cost efficient. Great on fuel mileage. Better performance. Pot leg options. A way cooler name. Supports a smaller company. So yes I love it. And I can scramble eggs with it with ease 😊😊
Cool deal, stick with what works!
I was gonna stick with my soto wind master anyways but I love watching a video that tells you your stuff is g2g. Very useful video Mark, thanks bud
Glad this was a useful video for you! Thanks!
I know this video is a bit old now, but I just watched it after picking up the MSR for $58 (with tax) last night on a spur of the moment purchase. A local retailer I was browsing had all their stoves on sale for 20% off (including the new Jetboil Stash they had out on shelf). I knew of the Soto, but I got excited thinking I was getting a better bargain for a better stove because my initial research found that the MSR supposedly outperforms the Soto. The guys at Backpacking Light (who are very scientific with their testing procedures) and the folks at GearLab all tested the MSR to be both faster AND more importantly, more fuel efficient than the Soto.
GearLab states that the MSR took only .4 oz of fuel to bring 1 liter of water to boil in calm conditions clocked at 3 min 39 sec while it took .7 oz with wind ranging from 2-4 mph, clocking in at 7 min 20 sec. For the Soto, they measured .5 oz of fuel used for 1 liter of water, taking over a minute longer at 4 min 42 sec in calm conditions. However it tied the MSR at .7 oz in fuel used in their wind test and was clocked to be just a wee slower at 7 min 24 sec. REI also specs the MSR to average a much faster boil than the Soto, BUT specs the Soto to be considerably more fuel efficient. The MSR is also a hair lighter out of the box since the Soto now requires buying its Triflex support for an additional $10 to beat the MSR out in weight.
So now I'm wondering, did you let your pot cool down entirely from the MSR test before putting water in to start the Soto test? And is it possible that there was just a little less breeze for the few minutes you had the Soto going? Regardless, there's a lot of conflicting tests and results out there between these two. Obviously you and Devin are maintaining loyalty with the Soto given the results of your backyard comparison tests, but I wonder why other testers and reviewers out there have published results that say otherwise, giving the edge to the MSR. Perhaps the MSR really does do better in more precise controlled tests?
Still, you now have me second guessing my purchase. I now have to decide between keeping the MSR or whether it'd be worth it to return it and spend an additional $20 to get the Soto + Triflex for the option to save a half oz of weight and to have interchangeable supports to better stabilize various pot/pan sizes.
Real world comparison, with weights & measures.....Great Test 👍👍
Thank you!
OMG, have been waiting for this video ! I mainly use an alcohol stove, but now and then depending on where I go, (regulations) , trip length, etc,.. I use a canister stove. I hate the noise of canister stoves and like very fuel efficient stoves. So you hit on the few points that were most important to me between the two stoves, thank you so much for doing this test. 👍 👍👍👍
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Seriously though, the differences are almost inconsequential. Love the comparison and I have the Soto!
If you have the Soto, you have a killer stove!
Huge difference in noise, weight, fuel economy. You bought the correct stove.
I have bought the SOTO windmaster. Last year after doing a lot of research. I believe it is the best stove on the market for delivering the fastest boil using the least amount of fuel. I really like the fact it’s quieter and has a simmer mode that’s great for cooking food instead of just heating water. It’s like having two stoves in one. But knowing I have to carry less fuel to cover the same amount of time on trail, gives me peace of mind.
I am now a huge fan of the Soto products! The more I use them, the more I like them!
Some times the lightest gear is not always the best. The Soto Windmaster and the NEMO Tensor are two examples I can think of that I would never go on the trail without.
Great comment, you are absolutely correct!
I have the MSR P.R.D and the igniter stopped working. I called MSR and they wouldn't even sell me the parts to fix it. They said that I would have to send it in and wait 8 weeks to get it back. If I'm not mistaken parts for the SOTO are readily available.
Yes, that's correct. The whole process with MSR was enough to really turn me off from their products. If you search I have a couple of other videos that talk about the issues I had, and the problems. Soto for the win!
That hum from your Deluxe is odd. Haven't had that with mine. Thanks for collaborating on this! People will appreciate the multiple perspectives.
I was wondering what that horrible whining noise was. Then it stopped as he lowered the flame. Seems like the regulator has a loose o-ring or washer.
I may send it back and get a new one, or get a refund and get the Windmaster! Ha!
Gonna look into it.
Good stuff brother. Glad to see the Soto Windmaster still holds the crown.
Yup! Thanks!
The pocket rocket also doesn't fold down evenly. One is flush, the other two at awkward angles. And that noise! Drove me nuts. I am returning mine.
True. My replacement one does not make that noise, but it's still a copy of the superior Soto stove!
My Soto is to arrive tomorrow. 😁👍
SWEET!!!
I thought this was a fair & objective comparison + it was done outside in windy conditions which are the conditions most of us will encounter when using a canister stove out on the trail, in real life. I especially like your method of measuring fuel consumption that shows the SW uses less fuel to boing the same quantity of water. That is THE METRIC in my mind & WHY I'll be buying a Stot Windmaster if & when REI puts it "ON SALE" with a discounted price.
The Soto is a great stove. Thanks!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 And I was biased going into your review toward MSR simply because I've been using an MSR Whisperlite for the last 35+ years. It's been a trusted, loyal, reliable FRIEND.
@@azclaimjumper That's a long time for any piece of gear! That's saying something for sure. Don't let it go, just add new tools to the arsenal!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 That stove will be an heirloom in my Will. I know how to start it minus the fireball when starting & once a year I remove the burner rings, clean 'em up, use the lil cat's whisker to clean the orifice in the jet, reassemble everything & I know the stove will produce that perfect & beautiful blue circle of fire for another year.
Thanks for this as I was going To buy the MSR but now no way, I’m going Soto Windmaster! Also notice how the Soto sits closer to the bottom of the pot less space between
Hope you enjoy it! It's a great stove!
Just skip to 7:55 to save time
Good call!
Thanks for the test! I've been waiting for someone to step up and compare the two. I would like to comment, however, on the pot stand arms and how I personally feel those make a difference. The PRD pot stand arms angle, from center, upward away from the burner head. The SW pot stand arms are flat - straight across. The diameter of the pot you used was raised (guessing here) about twice as high on the PRD as opposed to the SW. Does this make a difference, of course. How much remains to be seen. The other question I would pose is in regard to cooking finesse. Simmer capability is important to me. Since the PRD allows for more space between the flame pattern and the pot (depending upon the diameter of the pot) in the simmer mode than the SW, I would suggest that the PRD is a better stove for controlled cooking and simmer capability. Titanium is light and that's a plus for pack weight but titanium is not cooking friendly. Unless you are just boiling water, the PRD MIGHT BE the better option. Thanks again!
They are both very good with simmer control.
i agree with the soto and for the price, it came with changeable legs? awesome. the only thing i would want on the soto is the piezo igniter positioning from the Pocket Rocket Deluxe, it looks more slim
Thanks, the PR is a little smaller all around.
Sounds to me like the Soto is throttled back to a bit more efficient maximum output than the prd.
Could be!
SOTO Windmaster for the win!!!
Thanks for the comparison test.
Based on that I just bought the SOTO!🔥👍
Soto is the best, period!
Tanks a lot ! the perfect review I was looking for !
Awesome, glad I could help! Thanks!
My BSR stove has consistently used 11g of fuel. Always weight the canister to see how much fuel is left.
Typical usage with the Soto is around 4g when in a wind blocked area.
I have both and while my Pocket Rocket Deluxe doesn't have your noisy defect I prefer the Soto, anyway. Beyond the trivial differences, it irks me a bit that a successful liquid-fuel brand like MSR, knowing it has many great designs under its belt, had to contract out the PRD to Kovea just to clone the Soto. I feel like the could have added something innovative instead of mimicking.
I just did a 5 minute review on the Soto, I certainly prefer the Soto over the PRD.
Hello fellow Okie! Thanks for the head2head test
Anytime!
Hilarious that you guys submitted the same video at the same time! Lol Thanks for the review!
It was planned. We worked together to get them out at the same time and show different aspects! Worked out well!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 yes it really did! Thanks
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 lol, I came across here from Devan's review of the two! 😁👌🏿
I have a really old and excellent little gas canister stove but I'm now in the process of upgrading to a lightweight one. 😊
I'm pretty sure I will get the Soto.
Wind always blows harder out on Sorgum Mill rd. just saying. Or is that Coffee Creek. The wind master is my go to stove when river kayak camping up and down the Cimarron.. Sorry the state doesn't really have any designated hiking trails on the Cimarron , but i have seen them out there ,maybe they were created by cattle not sure.
You live in the area?
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1
Actually Kingfisher area now but i lived at Fairway estates on Bryant and Oak Tree Park on 220th for years. I built homes for like 23 years in Edmond. Country boy forced into city life and now back to my roots and exploring the rivers every chance i get. I think the best trails on the Cimarron would probably be from 74 hwy and all the way west to 81 hwy to almost Okeene. I haven't had the chance to make to hwy 77 and east, but i should be able to let you know by May if the CFS stays high enough.
i'm a bit late on this one mark.......... Just wondering if the wind master would sit in the bottom of a Toaks 550 or 750 ML pot
I have it in my 550 right now.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 Good............Just getting 550 700 and the Titanium D130mm Frying Pan... Birth day pressy be handy for group camps
Great review - thank you.
I appreciate it, thanks!
Good test
Thanks!
Does the Soto Windmaster also have a removable brass threaded insert piece used for attaching the stove to a fuel canister ? Hope that made sense.
I'll take a look and let you know. I know what you're asking!
jonny LoveGrapes Yes, it does have a replaceable brass insert as well.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 Thanks !
Anytime!
Great video. Do you happen to know if the wind master will fit inside a toaks 750 with a small fuel canister?
Just watched a video on this: th-cam.com/video/WCeuAlrQyPQ/w-d-xo.html
Not sure with the canister.
Now I know not to replace my Soto Windmaster. Saved me $70. FYI - You might consider using two new canisters when doing your tests. One for each stove. That way, you ensure that the previous burn test doesn't negatively (or positively) affect the next test. Thanks for putting out this info. Zman (AT 2013)
Carl Zimmerman I agree with you, but I only had one brand new one and wanted to get this done and out for you before I went on vacation! Glad I could help, keep the Soto, it’s solid!
What is up my brother from South Korea wow
Thanks for the comment!
great comparison!!!
Thanks!
Can you use the MSR IsoPro Canister with SOTO WindMaster Stove?
Absolutely.
I have the Soto, great stove, I use it when my MSR Windburner isn't necessary. It actually got hot enough to warp my titanium mug. Ha! Don't care, great stove!
It's a great stove! Thanks!
How tall. Soto windmaster barely a fit into a standard canister cup like a 650 or 750 anyting. Question is is does the MSR Nest as well or better in a standard canister size cup
They are both about the same size, the Pocket Rocket Deluxe is slightly shorter. I can get both of them to nest inside a Toaks 550, but barely.
Subscribed from Oklahoma 🤙
Awesome, thank you!
I'd been waiting for a sale and *finally* caught one last week (not my typical luck). The stove w/4-plex was $48 and the Tri-plex was another $8. I had to buy a new Trangia Mini spirit burner ($11) to get to the free shipping threshold. Yay me. 🎉🏕
Sweet, you got a great stove! I'm comparing the two of these again since I got the new (replacement) MSR. Thanks!
My Soto came with only the 4-leg stand. Understand the 3-leg folds flat, while the 4-leg hogs-up a lot of real-estate in a poking-other-gear fashion. Where does one acquire the 3-leg Soto stand?
Not sure, I know this one came as a set with both.
You can find it on their website for about $10. It's call the TriFlex.
@@skippyj2011 - Ordered and received weeks ago, ty.
I didn’t know a small company like Soto is used in US.
Quite a few of us that I know of use them and love them. Great quality!!!
Instead of running them wide open i think it would have been better to run them medium low ish and instead compared the two metrics you get from that, which are time to boil and(most importantly) fuel used. A through hiker would be more willing to wait a few mins for better overall efficiency imo.
It's tough to have it be objective when you are using different settings. I get exactly what you're saying, but from a testing perspective that is a tough one to achieve without having people poke holes in any result you come up with. Thanks!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1t to make it somewhat standardized you could open each one a set number of turns say 1.5 or something.The metric of how efficient a stove is at normalish operation, is more important than seeing how a stove performs at 100% which is a setting most through hikers aren't ever going to use. To put it another way, these stoves probably behave totally differently than how they tested at 100% because your just seeing which lets more gas through at that point. The two important factors here are the canister weight and time to boil. Ty for the video as well.
For the SW, Please tell me the size of the two O Rings that I can buy so I'll have replacements if & when needed?
You would have to reach out to them or look online, I honestly have no clue what size they are. Thanks!
I love my Windmaster,I’ve had it for years and it’s cheaper too hehehe (smug mode)
For the money I’ll stick to the msr pr2. Just block the wind
True, stick with what works! Thanks!
What’s the difference between these and the ones you find for under $20 like the BSR?
Jeff Hallman Huge differences in how they perform in even slightly windy conditions!
Spiguyver Backpacking Thanks. So the cheap ones have trouble in wind? Would a screen help?
Jeff Hallman To some extent yes. But be careful with what you do/use for a screen, canister stove manufacturers do not recommend windscreens because the increased temperatures could be a risk for an exploding canister. I’ve never heard of it happening, but wouldn’t want to tempt fate too much. Some love the BRS, some hate it. I’m in between. I’ve used it and it works, but it is not great in the OK ind even attempting to block the wind.
Spiguyver Backpacking Thank you.
These have regulators too. None of the sub $20 have those. They let the stoves perform more evenly over a wider range of temperatures and fuel levels.
That is a synchronized review. I got the notifications at the same exact time.
Marlowe Heredy That’s how we planned it!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 Mission Accomplished.
Honestly I have been very disappointed with msr . I got a new whisperlite universal stove and out of the box it leaked fuel around the plunger in the pump when pressurizing the fuel bottle and fuel would leak into priming cup when the fuel valve was off. I had to send it back to msr with my own money . I also bought the optimus Polaris and it performed flawlessly and it's my new favorite stove. Msr said it would take 4 to 6 weeks to get my stove back. I will just throw it in the trash can and never buy any of the liquid fuel stoves again. I hate that their pump is plastic vs the polarius with its metal pump . Even the primus omni fuel has a metal pump. Its sad msr has went down the tubes and it looks like the deluxe against the soto shows it. Just like the dragonfly vs the nova. The windpro 2 vs the vega .
I just started a warranty claim for my MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe, will be doing a video to show why. I got the same sort of timeframe for gettin g mine back, and yes, shipping back to them is at my own expense. Pretty crappy!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 I completely agree things should work right when you pay hard earned money for them and we shouldn't have to send something back at our expense then be penalized 4 to 6 weeks. That's why I love benchmade knives , great quality, excellent customer service and only takes about 10 days for them to fix or fully rebuild and sharpen a blade. If msr was like benchmade we would be happy campers . From here on out I'm only buying optimus stoves.
I think you'll want to check out my video tomorrow!
HA!!!! YES!!! SOTO for the win!! So glad to see MSR's "similar" design is an inferior product. Great video and possibly the most intriguing head to head yet. Great video man! Thanks for this one!!
Thank you! I appreciate it!
Very cool great video thank you for the information as I told you before I am still fairly new to the backpacking community and I've been thinking about getting both of these stoves not both but one of the stoves and couldn't make my mind up does the Soto have the same technology that the MSR has about using all the fuel in the can or something like that the guy at REI said that the MSR has some new peace in it which will help it use all the fuel or use better fuel or something when it gets close to the end of the fuel I'm not sure exactly he worded it a lot better than I can I hope you know what I'm talkin about if not it's okay have a blessed day
Yes, both have regulators!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 thank you
Is the PRD USA made?
No, PRD is made in Koria, WM is made in Japan
Thanks!
I like TURTLES! 🐢
Who doesn't like turtles!
Are concepts of PRD are very different, it means Pre Rolled Doobie !!!
Hmmm...
Realistically there is very little to choose between these stoves and anyway what are you going to do with the 19seconds saved with the Soto🤣🤣 As for the boil time, who really cares and if you are sad enough to be that interested why??? Oh! One last thing the Soto is rated at 11000 BTU output while the PRD is 10400 hence the slower boil time. About the only significant point to take into account if you are using these stoves for a through hike, is clearly, the amount of gas they use and again these table top demos are purely subjective no matter how hard they try not to be! Just like the majority of alcohol stoves that take roughly 6-8minutes to boil 1/2lt most canister stoves take 2-3 give or take! Oh! And I don’t own either of these stoves😂🤣😂🤣 kind regards from across the pond from Clive in deepest Dorset England 👍
Thanks man! The Soto is just the better stove overall. What do you use?
Thanks for coming back to me! My everyday stove that I carry in my EDC when I go out is an old Colman F1😂 it’s a super lightweight at 73gm, collapses into nothing and fits underneath a 100g cartridge which then all fit into my snowpeak 600(?)ml mug. I suppose you would call me a bit of a nerd where stoves are concerned as I have about 20+ covering the whole range, from micro solid fuel weighing in at a couple of grams to my very first white gas (petrol!) Optimus at about 1.5lb😂 original Jetboil, Flash and mini mo! 2 msr’s etc. Etc. It’s just as well I’ve got a small garden shed! At 70 I’ve been told to reduce but in my book you can never have enough stoves! All the very best to you, stay safe and keep the videos coming, they are much appreciated 👍 regards Clive
Here is a definitive article published in May 2020 that definitively quantifies Soto as being 29% more fuel efficient than the Pocket Rocket: outdooreager.com/soto-windmaster-vs-pocket-rocket-deluxe/#comment-89
Right on. Thanks!
the pocket rocket is a copy of the soto.
Indeed it is!
Hey Mark, if you have time and will, would you PM on messenger. I have a few questions about the loop trail at Greenleaf S.P. Thank you.
I will reach out. Thanks!
Why is Oklahoma so windy? Cause Kansas sucks and Texas blows lol.
True!
Really stretching out the commentary to make that 10min mark eh
Not really sure what you're talking about. No goal of hitting any specific time mark, just talking about the stoves.
Spiguyver Backpacking
Probably a youtube minimum video length regarding monetization purposes reference.
A guy from Oklahoma running his mouth about backpacking. Pfffff. No thanks. The guy might as well have a YT channel about sailing.
profd65 Wow, glad you found the channel, you might want to watch some more and learn something. Hope to see you on the trail!
Why are you here watching this and bothering to comment if it's not your thing? ☺️
Genuinely curious.