@@amnril Yes and I can't decide if it's more annoying to have a broken game in your disc for all time.. or in this case no broken game on your disc for all time........ lol
Exactly, especially in this generation where graphical options are (finally) becoming more commonly seen in console releases. Just give customers more options dammit!
The game apparently is only really utilizing 2 cores if the PC review is anything to go by. So turning off RT would probably have a negligible performance improvement.
I just now almost finished the first level on ps5. I will have to put it down till it’s patched. The LOD is atrocious, pop in… there was some fire in the level and it honestly looked like ps2/ps3 level of detail. Hopefully, in the next month it’ll get fixed.
The game already looks graphically outdated compared to current PS5 exclusives. It will look even more outdated when Wolverine and Spiderman 2 releases
@@Uknown76 yeah would make a difference, you dropping to 55fps, thats a stable 60fps dropping to 45fps, thats 50fps Still shit but its in VRR range and far less noticeable
@@imo098765 lemme rephrase I agree with you there no reason we shouldn't have an option to disable ray tracing but in reality the game is is such a horrendous state I don't think it's gotta get patched in a timely matter something is clearly wrong with the game engine
The skillfull developer probably left when EA stepped in 2017 and this is the result when they hire bluehaired he/SHIM millennium girls that are more intrested of talking rainbows and female rights than coding video games..
Seeing 5 shots in a row where I couldn’t even tell the difference between RT GI on and off with a narration saying how gamechanging the difference is was wild.
Yeah the RT in this game is really not worth the poor image quality and poor performance on the consoles. The image quality in particular is staggeringly poor.
IMO Planar reflections can look just as good as Ray Traced Reflections (I'm not talking full path tracing), yet, the Planar technique is fully rasterized just like SSR, so it'll be faster than RT and compatible for those without RT hardware. It avoids the SSR pitfalls by still reflecting that which is out of player view. They should have gone this route instead of RT or SSR, maybe.
@@HazyJ28 Although the downside of planar reflections is that they are more expensive than SSR so it's somewhere in between SSR and RT Reflections in performance. Not sure why most games doon't use planar but there has to be some reason
30 fps that regularly drops down into the mid-20s and has copious screen tearing is a “premium experience”? I guess we have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of premium.
@@LiquidSpartan117 As a PC player, It's smarter to have more frames that better graphics, and mostly because it is clear that consoles can't handle this game at that graphics, 20fps at less than 1080P ... just sad.
@@crestofhonor2349 In any game its not worth it in my opinion, I have a 3080ti and will always perfer a higher framerate to ray tracing. Ray tracing titles such as portal RTX and minecraft are impressive though.
I was a PC gamer but left the platform after the terrible launch of Arkham Knight. Since then nothing has changed, every time a AAA game comes out it's a nightmare.
It's not that, there using performance or balanced mode of fsr for upscaling, not quality or ultra quality. Fsr 2.2 looks like a blurry mess on performance mode.
@khaled my mistake, I mean ultra performance. I'm using dlss so don't know much about fsr but I'm pretty sure consoles are using performance or ultra performance. Hopefully switch 2 will have dlss 2 and maybe dlss 3 implementation.
Makes little to no sense to me except for stubborn creatives ok the dev team not wanting to remove ray tracing? I donno because there's no way QA didn't point that out before release..
@Lee Stop with this nonsense comparison. The only RT feature that Spiderman has are reflections. Jedi Survivor should have a toggle, but don't compare apples to oranges.
Man those comparisons to Fallen Order are incredible just how much higher level of detail the new game has. No wonder the CPU gets hit so hard (by that I mean frame time, not thread utilization)
Man, I played performance on the Series X and I had a worse experience than what you showed. Any open world environment dropped frames like they were hot. Massive dips and stutters. Really hope they can fix it because the core gameplay is really fun.
ive just been playing on quality mode. its surprisingly playable, at this point i barely think about the 30 fps. and it looks absolutely stunning, the best graphics of any video game like this ive played to date
Weird that every other publication comparison says PS5 is in much better shape than Series X, but Digital Foundry doesn't see a difference. 🤔 Using the term "publication" loosely.
It's wild that Rift Apart released 2 years ago now, and still nobody else (to my knowledge) has achieved anything close to the same level of RT performance. We're still stuck with games like this, that want all the pretties but don't have the optimization needed for it.
Insomniac are just godlike programmers, unfair to compare any other studio with them. I have zero doubts they'll even raise the bar way more with Spider-Man 2.
@@selectjed1 it's hyped up beyond belief to sell graphics cards but improvement to image quality is marginal at best and come at a unjustifiable cost to performance. There is simply no justification for pushing ray tracing with current technology. Put it in the same box as 3D TV!
@@vanman266 Games like Rift Apart and Spider-Man have beautifully implemented RT, and Metro Exodus has RT GI at 60fps with good upscaling. It’s possible to do it right
@@cmdr101z8 it is possible, but respawn clearly compromised with their RT solution at the cost of horrible performance and artifacting. If they knew it would be like this they should’ve ditched it and patched it in later. Hopefully this is fixed in a patch but I’m not happy
A low internal resolution would be fine with a proper DLSS or good FSR integration. Sadly DLSS is exclusive to Nvidia cards and the consoles run on AMD cards. And even on PC EA didn't include DLSS, probably because AMD paid them. Plus, you know, Nvidia fucking suck so they've locked frame generation behind the 40 series even if it works on the older RTX cards as well.
@@sunderwire "just" a few "minor" drops yeah, plus "just" a few "minor" cutscene lagging here and there, they ported the same bugs which are in the PS4 version... :D (bonus terrible checkpoint system)
Wish there was an option to disable RT on console. The ps5 and sx cpus just can't handle this much RT while maintaining 60 fps. Even with brutal upscaling this just doesn't cut it.
Yeah, I'm surprised this isn't a toggle option. Overly ambitious to try and be "the best looking console game so far" it seems. Would gladly turn off those features for a smooth experience.
I feel like you were way too kind with this review and undersold just how bad the artifacting, resolution and motion blur issues are. I'm playing it on PS5 and it's a mess no matter what mode and effects are on.
The saddest thing about this debacle is that at its core Jedi: Survivor is a great game that may even be GOTY contender but it's marred by the god awful performance and optimisation.
@@8minato The game isn't out. You have no evidence to even say it'll be GOTY let alone the best game of the decade. Yes it looks great but you sound overhyped for it
Idk how everyone can keep praising how “good” it looks when it’s dithered to hell and back. I see the potential for sure but as of now it definitely doesnt look great.
Remember when these consoles launched with the advertisements "4K, 120HZ, RAYTRACING" Well, you can have one of those and half of the other two..... maybe.
@Ed-qv2qd Maybe when you have a brain. But when you are a casual consumer, who watches marketing, or even reads the box (PS5 literally says these claims on box) I think xbox does too, then no. You might think your ate getting a high end PC. Meanwhile my COREi9 and RTX 2060 has a hard time running games that the consoles do, so they ARE good value. Just NO games run at 4k/120, or even 4k/60. It's 4k/30, most of the time. Or 1080-1440 at 100-120FPS And raytracing tanks performance AND resolution
I didn’t know Forbidden West had a 40hz mode, that’s dope! 40hz is great on the steam deck and I hope we start seeing quality modes hit 40fps rather than 30fps soon
@@AntiBellum Forbidden West is the first Sony game that doesn't automatically enter the 40fps mode when you're using a 120hz display. Instead you have to go into the settings and toggle the Visual mode to "Balanced." Other games like God of War Ragnarok, Spider-man, Ratchet, etc. all automatically toggle the 40fps mode when the game is set to Quality mode and the output display supports 120hz. Insomniac's games have a separate 120hz toggle that you can disable to toggle back to 30fps.
Not sure why this needed a whole video versus a few thoughts added to the previous PS5 video. We got a lot of details on certain aspects but then almost nothing at the core of what the video is titled, comparisons. Very few details "they're about the same." Then with the S its like "I'm surprised it doesn't do x,y, and z" Why are you surprised?
I think it’s because they didn’t get review copies of the game before release, leaving less time to review the game (remember they need to release a video as early as possible or they’ll lose views). If you take that into account, the work they did is actually impressive.
Yeah, what would the world be without RaYTrAcInG Oh, yeah right, normal. With really good performing games all over. But nooooouuu, for some tiny lighting improvements one has to zoom-look for, it's super totally awesome to drop frames and resolution. 😒
@@tydendurler9574 i hear what you're saying but RT lighting is definitley more than just something you have to zoom in to see. on console, i can imagine its annoying not being given the freedom to have high quality graphics mode with decent fps and no raytracing. ON PC you can switch it on and off as you please.
If RT was stripped from performance mode on consoles entirely, user reception would have been very, very different with an easy game to recommend to anyone. As it stands, this game is not a recommendation.
IMO, RTGI is the best aspect and most impactful of the 4 common RT features - global illumination, shadows, reflections, and ambient occlusion. I wonder if it's the most expensive as well as it's the one most often not included in the RT features of any given game.
It's sad that I'm seeing countless people standing up for the game online, saying things like "who cares about performance and FPS drops, nobody needs more than 30 FPS".
Would love for you guys to talk about HDR more in your reviews. Did such a great job a while ago with RDR2 for example. Curious why that coverage hasnt been happening, especially with how buggy the HDR is in Jedi Survivor specifically.
HDR has been the best advancement lately not Ray tracing, fake frames or higher resolution monitors/tvs. Imo. Heck even 4080 can't lock Hogwarts legacy to 60fps mins @ 4k ultra when raytracing slows things down lol. Just a pathetic guise to get people to overspend on way more hardware than they really need. Raytracing is still an entire console generation away for most gamers unless they like PS4 performance on their modern gaming PC.
Honestly, the Series S version is the most impressive to me. Not the best, but the most impressive. Considering Series X and PS5 are struggling to hit 720p at 30fps, it's remarkably close.
@@kraenk12 the “all digital” ain’t the selling point of the series s. It’s the smallest xbox to date and yet is incredibly more powerful than any last gen console. It’s also the cheapest and is always in stock unlike Series X and Ps5. I’d much prefer a Series X for a more seamless experience but I’m perfectly fine with a series S until the X is more available.
Jesus dude, Nvidia must be showering Digital Foundry with money to talk so much and passionately about ray tracing. The performance hit on that fucking trash is not worth it at all.
The "60fps" still just feels better to play even with the issues imo. I jumped back and forth multiple times and the 30fps camera panning just kills it for me. I'm hoping we get a locked 60, no RT and FSR 2.2 in a month or so.
Going back and forth will definitely play better in the 60fps modes favor but if you stick with the 30fps mode for a while it becomes less "jarring". It's that switch that makes it seem so much worse then it actually is
I get frustrated when I see 500 dollars consoles with games with bad performance like this. But imagine those who paid way more for a PC, which is the platform this game performs worse. MASTER RACE!!!
I'm really enjoying the game. Other than a few low frame rate spots here and there, it's an absolute blast to play. It's a shame that quality mode is more stable than performance mode.
I believed that when FSR2 would start being used on consoles it would be always at the Quality present just to give a little boost to performance to help developers optimize. I was wrong.
I hate this trend where FSR and DLSS tech is being relied on by developers to even make the game somewhat playable instead of it being something users can apply to get more frames or play on below minimum requirements. Just absolutely bare minimum effort in optimization nowadays for both PC and consoles
Was you surprised by how low the internal rendered resolutions in both performance and resolution mode was. One was like 762p! Completely relying on scaling to get to a serviceable final in screen resolution.
FSR and DLSS are normally fine but in this game it's pretty clearly broken. This isn't how FSR normally looks. It needs to be fixed on PC and console. Nothing wrong with using upscalers since normally they do a great job reconstructing up to the intended resolution as long as the resolution upscaled to is 1440p+
I'm really surprised that the results for the 30fps resolution mode came in as stable as they did; playing it on PS5 I feel like resolution mode is prone to constant stuttering, particularly when moving the camera (i.e. all the time)
@@p0k314COM Again, would not use Elden Ring to judge these consoles, as it is a cross-platform game and FromSoftware as not fixed their improper frame pacing in over a decade. There are reasons to say PS5 and Series X are not _that_ powerful, these two games are certainly not 2 of them.
@@p0k314COM What can we say, you picked two extremely bad examples of games to gauge the power of the consoles. How about the newest version of GT7 for PS5 with 120fps mode? Hitman 3 which runs really well on both? There are good and bad examples of performance, not all bad ones mean the hardware is the issue.
It is. I just ignore the frame drops and, fortunately, I have had no game breaking bugs. I just subscribed to EA Play for a month to play it. I would be disappointed if I had bought it.
it looks amazing and started playing the first level with incredible frame drops and even the cutscenes are chugging. I have a high-end PC and I have never seen a game struggle so hard and my hardware is not being used to 100%. It is a software issue and while you can technically play it, dropping to 20fps is terrible when your computer can easily get it to 100fps.
this is so crazy, back to ps3 standarts . Welcome to 2024 gaming, experience master class visuals at 648p with stuttery 30 fps wand dips to 20s. But you should be grateful. They gave us Ray Tracing . So dont complain
I feel like DF has been missing some obvious issues lately. RE4 Remake has major texture streaming issues especially on XSX, but it was never addressed. Also I feel like this video wasted a lot of time just gushing about the lighting... Didn't really help me to decide which console to buy this game on at all.
what vs ? they never showed x vs ps5 gameplay, or give us resolution for xbox ike they did for ps5... they only compared ps5 to pc and ps5 to s than say x is the same
@@ionut15091 Form a somehwat coherent reading experience please. I am simply commenting on the fact they did a PC breakdown, and they also did a PS5 breakdown. Now they jump right into console comparisons...lol, pretty obvious isn't it?
Never got the whole zoomed in analysis.. Like, I'm not sitting 3 inches from the screen and when playing at a normal distance I can't tell the difference between the three lol.
@orange you still played yourself. You can wait till it is $15 in 6 to 12 months or could have done EA access for $15 for one month and just played the game that way and canceled before the next month
It's baffling to have games that perform this bad alongside with games like Horizon Forbidden West that look stunning and perform many times better on the same platform.
In terms of visuals, animation, and optimisation, this title is a joke. Just look at what Insomniac got out of the current gen at launch compared to this. There's no excuse, and Respawn should be ashamed.
Not just Insomniac but also SM with GoWR and Guerilla with HBS. 1st party games will always take full advantage of the hardware. Multiplats otoh are not easy given the great variability in hardware
@@CheckmateStallioN “full advantage” you talk like these consoles have some extra level of power that can be unlocked? Truth is, the Xbox SX and PS5 were still born when they first came out performance wise.
@@CheckmateStallioN Yet, Guerilla, Santa Monica and Insomniac have made excellent PC ports of their PlayStation titles. This developer has no excuse, and it's not like these platforms are so diverse anyway.
So I guess as the generation continues we'll see more and more sub 1080p 30fps games that dip into the 20s? So much for consoles that eat monsters for breakfast
I ended up turning RT off on PC and ended up playing like four hours straight last night (just got to Jedha). I was bemoaning the heavy platforming earlier on, but then it turned into a Zelda-like and I'm hooked.
Most real OG gamers will never use fake frames or raytracing as they are just gimmicks sorta like how Physx flopped. If you need to stream your frames from some servers then just get a game streaming subscription and leave the dedicated local hardware alone. Otherwise there will be none left and they will no longer be selling dedicated GPU and instead yo will be on a streaming box like the shield with a $490 a year subscription fee to play at ultra 60fps lol.
@@leanlifter1 How is raytracing a "gimmick?" It may be very questionable for the performance impact at this stage, but pathtracing has literally been the standard for offline renders for decades. No animated movie is rasterized unless for stylistic reasons. Saying it's not worth it for games yet is fine, but that doesn't make it a "fad" or "gimmick." Misusing those words for anything people dislike for unrelated reasons.
Yeah, that's kind of an odd take. I've also been gaming since about 1979, so uh... yeah. Anyway, update: a few days later, they dropped a patch and I turned RT back on and I think the game runs mostly great. Finished it and now I'm playing Tears of the Kingdom, which includes the FSR gimmick. :D
648p to 864p upscaled to 1440p. Yikes. And still having massive performance dips down to 30 in that performance mode. Looks like that 30fps gen starts now that next gen has officially started. At least if you want above 1440p resolution ;p I'll play this in a few years after 20 patches, or perhaps get it at 15 bucks when the Ps6/XboxNew is out.
@@supmadude3665 Didn't intend to make it sound like it was - my bad. The choice to push (little) graphical prowess over performance because they're convinced that graphics sell. Instead they choose to brute force graphics and I kind of was hoping we were moving past that this generation. At least slightly. I mean we can all see how 'good' recent PC ports have been as well (horrible) in terms of optimization, shader stutter etc etc. Yikes.
14:22 omg. will this aliasing and artefacts caused by the upsampling be fixed in a future patch? or is it more inherent to their upscaling implementation and will stay?
I wouldn’t think so unless they are able to increase the base resolution it is sampled from, which given the current performance seems unlikely. I recently played through Cyberpunk 2077 on a Series X in performance mode which also uses FSR and some of the artifacting was unbelievable. In one scene a character eats some food which looks perfect on the plate. As it as it moves though it turns into a crazy swirling mess of pixels, incredibly distracting.
Quick tip to improve image quality for any console players out there: Set FOV to Wide (the middle setting, up one from default), and disable Chromatic Aberration. Changing the FOV to Wide doesn’t simply change a slider, it changes the camera height and angle in a way that is FAR more favorable for FSR 2 artifacts to be avoided. The default camera angle causes MASSIVE ghosting and fizzle issues, due to the size of your character model and the lower camera angle pitching your character model against the background of the scenes, rather than against more of the ground on the Wide setting. I hope this helps. This was on PS5 btw, but the same exact thing applies to series x.
To be fair, FSR generally looks much better at higher framerates. at 30fps is kind of atrocious, but if you are at 60fps (or preferably above. like 90-120fps), the temporal resolve is much quicker and is able to salvage much more of the intended detail. Honestly it's the same with DLSS... upscaling isn't very good at 33.33ms... there's just too much space between frames.
The actual console comparisons start at 8:17 in the video. The beginning is just padding (Ray-tracing, lighting, and differences between Survivor and the first game, Fallen Order). Just skip to 8:17
Not sure why they'd make raytracing mandatory even on performance mode, How can i focus on amazing lighting when resolution drops below HD and the main character is blurry and fuzzy anytime move around??
What's really frustrating is that those that don't game in 4K don't benefit from playing in 1080p because the output rendering is fixed. Why not give us full control to play these games as low as 720P to free up resources for framerate.
You mention VRR in the video but... In the ps5 version at least, it doesn't seem to be engaging, even if set to force on in the system menu. I think the game is using adaptive vsync and VRR just refuses to engage in performance mode on ps5. It's a real bummer.
@@kraenk12 I know this. It doesn't work above 48fps either though. There is no VRR support for this game on ps5. They're using adaptive vsync which seems to be what's preventing vrr.
They never say and glaze over data when it shows that the Series X may be outperforming or on parity with their precious PS5 and its fanbase. If it goes against the Series X, though, it will get a 3 minute diatribe on how the Series consoles are lacking.
Ok guys ... Here's the point . Last night, Digital foundry made a full video showing ps5 performance of the game Today, digital foundry doing another video showing ps5 performance of the game with mentioning series x performance as " the same" . If you dont believe that DF is biased then here's the proof !
Might be a dumb question but why can’t developers use RT Baked lighting? I.e. use RT to light the scene and then use that to bake the scene… I clearly don’t know how baking works 😅
I think you need a stove to bake anything. Mainly cakes.
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I guess they could fake lots of things to gain performance but they rely on real time performance killing stuffs and they use sometimes little bit blurry upscaling to compensate it. Horrible trend. Jedi Survivor is looking very good (I'm not as impressed as DF in this case), but I think the requirements are far from justified. Unoptimized mess.
They do. Specifically they usually use a path tracer to bake lighting into static geometry but you still have an issue when it comes to lighting anything dynamic or having direct lighting at all. Most games have some sort of probe system that uses the static lighting on surfaces to give dynamic objects GI. Probe systems can do a pretty good job as demonstrated without RT the lighting still looks very good but probes systems can incur a much higher cost to performance and memory usage the more accurate they need to be.
After almost 4 hours on my PS5, now I'm in an open area and the FPS drop down in a very annoying way. I'm thinking to wait a new patch and to play something else from my backlog in the meanwhile.
By the time this game is fixed, it’ll be added to EA Play, which means it will be added to Game Pass, which means I’ll be playing the best version while spending the least amount of money! Thanks everyone for funding this project at release!!!
Give us money now and we might fix it later. Also, give us more while we release DLCs and maybe fix someday 1 or pre-beta reported bug. Looking forward to checking out this game 2 years from now on once it reaches the Polish state in its complete edition for 75% off. Thank you to the beta testers who will help provide feedback and make the game better.
The saddest part of all is that’s all it would take. Hurt the shareholders and the companies start shaping up. Just hold onto your $70 for even just six months after launch and you’ll see wonders.
What does pre ordering got to do with them completing and finishing a game properly? If anything pre-ordering will give them more money to finish the game. The problem is they're releasing these games before they're finished.
@@mrglass7133 They don't need to finish the game if people buy it anyways. Even Nintendo got lazy after 15 years of people tolerating this crap, and they were a company with highly polished game up to the late WiiU.
No testing of the series X and S in the outdoor areas in the lake/water areas where the fps tanks for the ps5 version? Expected the series S to have better performance/resolution since ray tracing is off.
This is a non-starter for me. Neither mode looks to be a good option. Not letting you turn off RT is a very poor choice. It's never worth the performance cost.
@@crestofhonor2349 Not for me. The novelty of RT wears off after a while but poor performance is always bad. DF is being far too soft on this game's problems in my opinion because they are obsessed with RT and want to praise any game that uses it. I completely disagree with that mentality, smooth performance with decent image quality should be the main priority, fancy graphical features are far less important.
@@topooly Alex was by far the hardest on the game by his PC showcase and did a great job of breaking down it's issues. Oliver could have done more though
When your game is struggling to run at 720p on ALL platforms, even after image reconstruction tricks, you probably need to dial things back. It's 2023. 60fps at 720p should not be an unreachable bar.
I can't believe a game in 2023 has that low of a resolution, disable ray tracing qnd lower shadow quality so we can have higher resolution and framerate!
This mentality of releasing broken games and then patching them later is a total blight to modern gaming!
And they ask $70 for it to boot.
It’s highway robbery.
Especially annoying to physical copy collecting gamers
@@amnril Yes and I can't decide if it's more annoying to have a broken game in your disc for all time.. or in this case no broken game on your disc for all time........ lol
day one buyers are the ones who suffer this. since y'all don't want to learn continue to beta test the game for everyone else.
@@excellins no, everyone suffers. The entire culture suffers…some just pay top dollar for it.
Not being able to turn off RT when it can't hit its performance target in either mode is just criminal
Exactly, especially in this generation where graphical options are (finally) becoming more commonly seen in console releases. Just give customers more options dammit!
Most console gamers don't care they just want it to look pretty.
The game apparently is only really utilizing 2 cores if the PC review is anything to go by. So turning off RT would probably have a negligible performance improvement.
@@seizonsha Can't get pretty and good performance on a $500 console.
@@corruptedpoison1 yes you fucking can lmao
This game looks stunning! I can’t wait to play it in 2 years when it’s finished.
Same
And at a discount!
ditto!
I just now almost finished the first level on ps5. I will have to put it down till it’s patched. The LOD is atrocious, pop in… there was some fire in the level and it honestly looked like ps2/ps3 level of detail. Hopefully, in the next month it’ll get fixed.
no it is not looking stunning
seeing 648p for a ps5 game is truly unbelievable
Its ridiculous
Current-gen consoles support RT. Doesn't mean they are good at it.
Doesn't need to drop much more and I can live the arcade dream on my CRT
useless and pathetic ray tracing feature again
I'm sure it'll look fantastic when it can run properly in five years
In 5 years it'll be outdated by games on unreal engine 5 tho
Well, that's optimistic😅
The game already looks graphically outdated compared to current PS5 exclusives. It will look even more outdated when Wolverine and Spiderman 2 releases
@@ajdaniel8128 how does this game look outdated? It looks wonderful
@@huawafabe It looks good but not really impressive
The force should have been stronger with this one.
The FSR is strong with this one, though. ;)
The Force has been creatively bankrupt for a hot minute.
@@joshuaDstarksI mean, it was never really that creative.
Do or Do not there is no try (Yoda) ......"Concentrate to much on new technology you do" Yoda tells developers (THAT is why you fail)
The force is strong 💪 it the performance is the problem 😢
Give us an option to turn off Ray Tracing like PC players have and thatll make a huge difference when it comes to performance issues on consoles
I dunno Chief I mean I agree but even on PC with Ray tracing off it doesn't really improve performance maybe by 4-5 frames
@@Uknown76 a patch + the option hopefully can makea difference
@@Uknown76 yeah would make a difference, you dropping to 55fps, thats a stable 60fps
dropping to 45fps, thats 50fps
Still shit but its in VRR range and far less noticeable
@@imo098765 lemme rephrase I agree with you there no reason we shouldn't have an option to disable ray tracing but in reality the game is is such a horrendous state I don't think it's gotta get patched in a timely matter something is clearly wrong with the game engine
No it wont.
Maybe the upcoming patch will improve performance in both modes by lowering the resolution even further..😅 "Now running at a locked 60fps 200p"
Lol... big yikes
Reconstructed to 4k, it's 4k XD
The skillfull developer probably left when EA stepped in 2017 and this is the result when they hire bluehaired he/SHIM millennium girls that are more intrested of talking rainbows and female rights than coding video games..
All good ... maybe you can go out and spend 3,000 on a pc and get 720p/50fps :)
@@lukemorris9066 If you're spending that much on a PC that anemic, boy do I have a bridge to sell you. :)
Seeing 5 shots in a row where I couldn’t even tell the difference between RT GI on and off with a narration saying how gamechanging the difference is was wild.
Some GI implementions are good enough without RT. I feel like it's not worth the performance hit on mid-tier systems.
Agreed, honestly, after seeing path-tracing on cyberpunk, every other rt implementation looks half-ass and not worth it in comparison
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Yeah the RT in this game is really not worth the poor image quality and poor performance on the consoles. The image quality in particular is staggeringly poor.
Yeah I'm gonna be honest, the trade off of RT for better performance is well worth it. Only RT reflections really makes a significant difference
It even stutters with VRR. Excellent game, shocking performance.
Somehow reviewers excused this lazy job and awarded this game a high Metacritic score. All is well for EA...
Even though i hate SSR, i would take that over a slow and blurry raytraced alternative.
IMO Planar reflections can look just as good as Ray Traced Reflections (I'm not talking full path tracing), yet, the Planar technique is fully rasterized just like SSR, so it'll be faster than RT and compatible for those without RT hardware. It avoids the SSR pitfalls by still reflecting that which is out of player view. They should have gone this route instead of RT or SSR, maybe.
@@HazyJ28 YES 🤓
@@HazyJ28 Although the downside of planar reflections is that they are more expensive than SSR so it's somewhere in between SSR and RT Reflections in performance. Not sure why most games doon't use planar but there has to be some reason
I’d take cube maps over SSR. I’d take nothing over SSR. I hate it
I will never understand the need for raytraced reflections considering it’s huge performance impact
30 fps that regularly drops down into the mid-20s and has copious screen tearing is a “premium experience”? I guess we have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of premium.
Still, game looks freaking incredible.
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@@LiquidSpartan117 As a PC player, It's smarter to have more frames that better graphics, and mostly because it is clear that consoles can't handle this game at that graphics, 20fps at less than 1080P ... just sad.
@@SweetFlexZ PC can barely handle the game at all so that's "just sad" as well
@@godfreake but can handle it, this is unacceptable for a console
This looks very promising, thank you to all beta testers
Ray tracing isn't worth the performance loss.
Not in this game it isn't. It's too heavy. Looks nice but needs some visual fixes and really needs performance fixes
🙏 tell em
@@crestofhonor2349 In any game its not worth it in my opinion, I have a 3080ti and will always perfer a higher framerate to ray tracing. Ray tracing titles such as portal RTX and minecraft are impressive though.
@@crestofhonor2349 ray tracing is a scam get over it
On a $500 console it certainly isn't. RT will probably become a feature only used on PC since its obvious these consoles can't handle it.
only 4 months in and companies are competing in terms of releasing unoptimized game with PC port
I was a PC gamer but left the platform after the terrible launch of Arkham Knight. Since then nothing has changed, every time a AAA game comes out it's a nightmare.
The issue with the upscaling is that they are still using FSR2.0, instead of FSR 2.2
It's not that, there using performance or balanced mode of fsr for upscaling, not quality or ultra quality. Fsr 2.2 looks like a blurry mess on performance mode.
@@Benevolent_Dic If you run commands on the PC version you can confirm it is using FSR 2.0, not FSR 2.2
@@winj3r I'm talking about console using balanced or performance mode of fsr. Update 2.2 won't make a difference.
@@Benevolent_Dicfsr 2 doesn’t have ultra quality !!
@khaled my mistake, I mean ultra performance. I'm using dlss so don't know much about fsr but I'm pretty sure consoles are using performance or ultra performance. Hopefully switch 2 will have dlss 2 and maybe dlss 3 implementation.
They should give us the option to turn off ray tracing in performance mode on consoles. I really don't care about it. I want better performance !
Same.
Makes little to no sense to me except for stubborn creatives ok the dev team not wanting to remove ray tracing? I donno because there's no way QA didn't point that out before release..
@Lee Stop with this nonsense comparison. The only RT feature that Spiderman has are reflections. Jedi Survivor should have a toggle, but don't compare apples to oranges.
Who the fuck thought performance mode with forced ray tracing was a good idea?
Pretty neat beta, looking forward to grabbing it on discount in 2 years once the issues are fixed!
Give it one year before it"s 50%
@@elkmeatenjoyer3409
It will probably be lower than that on black friday 2023.
Man those comparisons to Fallen Order are incredible just how much higher level of detail the new game has. No wonder the CPU gets hit so hard (by that I mean frame time, not thread utilization)
Man, I played performance on the Series X and I had a worse experience than what you showed. Any open world environment dropped frames like they were hot. Massive dips and stutters. Really hope they can fix it because the core gameplay is really fun.
Same here. I couldn't believe how stuttery and uneven the framerate was.
Same
I wonder if it would be as bad if you got a TV that supports VRR?
ive just been playing on quality mode. its surprisingly playable, at this point i barely think about the 30 fps. and it looks absolutely stunning, the best graphics of any video game like this ive played to date
Weird that every other publication comparison says PS5 is in much better shape than Series X, but Digital Foundry doesn't see a difference. 🤔
Using the term "publication" loosely.
This is why I'm glad I'm a patient gamer, I'll just wait a year from now to play the best version of this game.
Same. After Cyberpunk 2077 I'm not buying games on day one anymore.
And plus a patient gamer will hopefully get the game at a reduced price
Same, hope we get a 4080ti by then
i refuse to buy games for more than half price. they're just not worth 60 or 70$ to me. i have better things to waste money on
But you'll be spoiled by then.
It's wild that Rift Apart released 2 years ago now, and still nobody else (to my knowledge) has achieved anything close to the same level of RT performance. We're still stuck with games like this, that want all the pretties but don't have the optimization needed for it.
Yeah, Rift Apart is kinda crazy looking. I booted it up a couple weeks ago just to look at it, and it kinda blew my mind.
Insomniac are just godlike programmers, unfair to compare any other studio with them.
I have zero doubts they'll even raise the bar way more with Spider-Man 2.
It’s too bad Rift Apart didn’t come with a game.
But hot damn is it pretty.
@@erikludwig5515 ?
@@instantstupor yeah, I'm curious what he meant as well.
Developers have lost their minds with the decision to implement ray tracing gimmicks at any cost.
maybe there's a certain company desperate to sell it that is per$uading them
How is it a gimmick?
@@selectjed1 it's hyped up beyond belief to sell graphics cards but improvement to image quality is marginal at best and come at a unjustifiable cost to performance.
There is simply no justification for pushing ray tracing with current technology. Put it in the same box as 3D TV!
@@vanman266 Games like Rift Apart and Spider-Man have beautifully implemented RT, and Metro Exodus has RT GI at 60fps with good upscaling. It’s possible to do it right
@@cmdr101z8 it is possible, but respawn clearly compromised with their RT solution at the cost of horrible performance and artifacting.
If they knew it would be like this they should’ve ditched it and patched it in later. Hopefully this is fixed in a patch but I’m not happy
Why are we chasing RayTracing so hard, that our games need to run at 720p to get decent performance? The industry needs to re-evaluate.
A low internal resolution would be fine with a proper DLSS or good FSR integration. Sadly DLSS is exclusive to Nvidia cards and the consoles run on AMD cards. And even on PC EA didn't include DLSS, probably because AMD paid them. Plus, you know, Nvidia fucking suck so they've locked frame generation behind the 40 series even if it works on the older RTX cards as well.
They still haven't fully fixed Fallen Order until this day... so what do we expect from them??
What’s wrong with fallen order? I played it a few weeks ago and it was great, just some minor frame drops here and there but mostly consistent 60 FPS
@@sunderwire "just" a few "minor" drops yeah, plus "just" a few "minor" cutscene lagging here and there, they ported the same bugs which are in the PS4 version... :D (bonus terrible checkpoint system)
Fallen order only has very minor stutters when game is loading new areas. No frame drops
@@Lackooo84 minor as in from 60 fps to like 50 fps lol, and i never experienced any bugs
@@sunderwire 60 to 50fps is not minor
Wish there was an option to disable RT on console. The ps5 and sx cpus just can't handle this much RT while maintaining 60 fps. Even with brutal upscaling this just doesn't cut it.
Yeah, I'm surprised this isn't a toggle option. Overly ambitious to try and be "the best looking console game so far" it seems. Would gladly turn off those features for a smooth experience.
Yeah 30fps stinks. Especially at 900p on a 4k screen 🙈
Oh and even furthermore if its an Oled with 0.1ms g2g response.
And yet look at spidermans RT 60FPS mode. Guess we know where the talent is.
Yes they did it in spiderman .. its a lack of devs work
@@minners71 I like Spiderman, but of doesn't get close to this level of details.
I feel like the game looks good but nowhere near as impressive as the breathy excitement in the video implies.
I think that's just him deepthroating the microphone tbh
Well I guess TH-cam compresses videos so it's probably not giving justice to how the game actually looks with your eyes
Playing right now ando the Game doesnt look as good as the video implies,
Lol you people are silly. This game doesn’t look good to you? 😂 I can’t anymore
@@Ch0ntrol there is noting implied. It’s a video. You can see it.
I feel like you were way too kind with this review and undersold just how bad the artifacting, resolution and motion blur issues are. I'm playing it on PS5 and it's a mess no matter what mode and effects are on.
Completely agree. Thought he gave it wayyy to much praise in the beginning.
I think he is holding back. If he would say what he really think at home when playing the game he would go full mental rampage.
The saddest thing about this debacle is that at its core Jedi: Survivor is a great game that may even be GOTY contender but it's marred by the god awful performance and optimisation.
The only contender is ff16
@@8minato No it isn't. It's looking great but there are other GOTY contenders
People are absolutely insane thinking this turd would be a contender even if it worked right.
@@crestofhonor2349 these other games would be contenders normally but ff16 is just on a diff level nothing topping it for the next decade
@@8minato The game isn't out. You have no evidence to even say it'll be GOTY let alone the best game of the decade. Yes it looks great but you sound overhyped for it
Idk how everyone can keep praising how “good” it looks when it’s dithered to hell and back. I see the potential for sure but as of now it definitely doesnt look great.
Remember when these consoles launched with the advertisements "4K, 120HZ, RAYTRACING"
Well, you can have one of those and half of the other two..... maybe.
I never interpreted any of the advertising for these consoles as indicating games would run at 4k, 120 fps with raytracing on. 🤷🏼🤷🏼
8K gaming
@Ed-qv2qd Maybe when you have a brain. But when you are a casual consumer, who watches marketing, or even reads the box (PS5 literally says these claims on box)
I think xbox does too, then no. You might think your ate getting a high end PC. Meanwhile my COREi9 and RTX 2060 has a hard time running games that the consoles do, so they ARE good value. Just NO games run at 4k/120, or even 4k/60.
It's 4k/30, most of the time. Or 1080-1440 at 100-120FPS
And raytracing tanks performance AND resolution
Lol . 8k on the Sony box. Maybe pong at 8k.
684p on PS5 ???????????? What the actual fuck
They need a Balanced mode with 40hz. It’s the best way to play on PS5 in my opinion. Loving it in Forbidden West.
Agreed. I love that mode. Sweet spot for me.
I didn’t know Forbidden West had a 40hz mode, that’s dope! 40hz is great on the steam deck and I hope we start seeing quality modes hit 40fps rather than 30fps soon
@@AntiBellum Forbidden West is the first Sony game that doesn't automatically enter the 40fps mode when you're using a 120hz display. Instead you have to go into the settings and toggle the Visual mode to "Balanced." Other games like God of War Ragnarok, Spider-man, Ratchet, etc. all automatically toggle the 40fps mode when the game is set to Quality mode and the output display supports 120hz. Insomniac's games have a separate 120hz toggle that you can disable to toggle back to 30fps.
They can barely hold 30 fps
Given they couldn't properly target 60fps, I don't think you can trust that a 40fps mode would work well either
Not sure why this needed a whole video versus a few thoughts added to the previous PS5 video. We got a lot of details on certain aspects but then almost nothing at the core of what the video is titled, comparisons. Very few details "they're about the same." Then with the S its like "I'm surprised it doesn't do x,y, and z" Why are you surprised?
The video is quality
Even if you didn’t like the opinions that were expressed
What more is there to say if they both look roughly the same? Bro it's sub 1080p on both at 30fps, trash on both consoles
Lol why are you apologizing ? Did you make the video ?
Weird comment tbh
I think it’s because they didn’t get review copies of the game before release, leaving less time to review the game (remember they need to release a video as early as possible or they’ll lose views).
If you take that into account, the work they did is actually impressive.
Love RT lighting, much more impactful compared to RT reflections
Yeah, what would the world be without RaYTrAcInG
Oh, yeah right, normal. With really good performing games all over.
But nooooouuu, for some tiny lighting improvements one has to zoom-look for, it's super totally awesome to drop frames and resolution.
😒
@@tydendurler9574 i hear what you're saying but RT lighting is definitley more than just something you have to zoom in to see. on console, i can imagine its annoying not being given the freedom to have high quality graphics mode with decent fps and no raytracing. ON PC you can switch it on and off as you please.
If RT was stripped from performance mode on consoles entirely, user reception would have been very, very different with an easy game to recommend to anyone. As it stands, this game is not a recommendation.
@ultrag33k52 that's understandable if even the performance mode has forced RT ofcourse
IMO, RTGI is the best aspect and most impactful of the 4 common RT features - global illumination, shadows, reflections, and ambient occlusion. I wonder if it's the most expensive as well as it's the one most often not included in the RT features of any given game.
It's sad that I'm seeing countless people standing up for the game online, saying things like "who cares about performance and FPS drops, nobody needs more than 30 FPS".
Reminds me of when I’d play an old SNES game and the frames would crap out…we were just going through “slow motion” for a little bit.
@@joshuaDstarks slow down was completely different to dropped frames
Not when game speed is tied to the framerate. But otherwise I agree
They are actually right. They are nobodies and therefore do not need more than 30 Fps.
Would love for you guys to talk about HDR more in your reviews. Did such a great job a while ago with RDR2 for example. Curious why that coverage hasnt been happening, especially with how buggy the HDR is in Jedi Survivor specifically.
This!
HDR for me turns the image almost entirely black with a few highlights.
HDR has been the best advancement lately not Ray tracing, fake frames or higher resolution monitors/tvs. Imo. Heck even 4080 can't lock Hogwarts legacy to 60fps mins @ 4k ultra when raytracing slows things down lol. Just a pathetic guise to get people to overspend on way more hardware than they really need. Raytracing is still an entire console generation away for most gamers unless they like PS4 performance on their modern gaming PC.
HDR is not even noticeable compared to SDR. The colors look identical just the whites are brighter but thats about it. Not sure all this hype for HDR
@L393ndary22 if hdr is implemented correctly it can be a game changer
Honestly, the Series S version is the most impressive to me. Not the best, but the most impressive. Considering Series X and PS5 are struggling to hit 720p at 30fps, it's remarkably close.
Lmao reverse psychology
@@beefychief3355 it’s a terrible value considering a 3 times faster PS5 digital is just 100$ more!
@@kraenk12 the “all digital” ain’t the selling point of the series s. It’s the smallest xbox to date and yet is incredibly more powerful than any last gen console. It’s also the cheapest and is always in stock unlike Series X and Ps5. I’d much prefer a Series X for a more seamless experience but I’m perfectly fine with a series S until the X is more available.
@@kraenk12where ? Im canadian a series s is 349.99 brand new the all digital ps5 is 729.99 LOL
Jesus dude, Nvidia must be showering Digital Foundry with money to talk so much and passionately about ray tracing. The performance hit on that fucking trash is not worth it at all.
The "60fps" still just feels better to play even with the issues imo. I jumped back and forth multiple times and the 30fps camera panning just kills it for me. I'm hoping we get a locked 60, no RT and FSR 2.2 in a month or so.
Going back and forth will definitely play better in the 60fps modes favor but if you stick with the 30fps mode for a while it becomes less "jarring". It's that switch that makes it seem so much worse then it actually is
OLED tv's feel super jarring at 30 fps, that might have something to say. 30 fps felt okay on my old plasma tv.
If it was locked 30 I wouldn’t mind , but feels like it is not , so u will have tearing if u don’t have vrr no matter what.
@@Narkissos_1 it's not locked but it's fairly close to being locked
@@Narkissos_1 You'd have tearing no matter what, since 30 fps is outside of the VRR range (48 fps for ps5 and 40 for Xbox).
I get frustrated when I see 500 dollars consoles with games with bad performance like this.
But imagine those who paid way more for a PC, which is the platform this game performs worse.
MASTER RACE!!!
Why do you have to fight? Platform wars are fucking pathetic.
Thank you for having integrity and telling it how it is
I'm really enjoying the game. Other than a few low frame rate spots here and there, it's an absolute blast to play. It's a shame that quality mode is more stable than performance mode.
Hey Digital Foundry, I noticed you no longer show framerate side by sides for PS5 and Xbox Series X. What's up with that?
What exactly are you looking for? To prove which version has the smallest advantage which means nothing when all of the machines are running poorly?
I believed that when FSR2 would start being used on consoles it would be always at the Quality present just to give a little boost to performance to help developers optimize.
I was wrong.
I hate this trend where FSR and DLSS tech is being relied on by developers to even make the game somewhat playable instead of it being something users can apply to get more frames or play on below minimum requirements. Just absolutely bare minimum effort in optimization nowadays for both PC and consoles
Was you surprised by how low the internal rendered resolutions in both performance and resolution mode was. One was like 762p! Completely relying on scaling to get to a serviceable final in screen resolution.
@@Inverse_Midas wasn’t it lower than that? Like mid 600s?
Would you rather no upscaling, and a 720p native image? Drastically lower settings? Or 20 fps? Take your pick.
Consoles used upscaling or checkerboard rendering since PS3 era. Only after DLSS it started to be common on PC.
FSR and DLSS are normally fine but in this game it's pretty clearly broken. This isn't how FSR normally looks. It needs to be fixed on PC and console. Nothing wrong with using upscalers since normally they do a great job reconstructing up to the intended resolution as long as the resolution upscaled to is 1440p+
I'm really surprised that the results for the 30fps resolution mode came in as stable as they did; playing it on PS5 I feel like resolution mode is prone to constant stuttering, particularly when moving the camera (i.e. all the time)
I'll give them time to polish, and in 6 months I'll give them 50% less money for the finished product 💟
648p in 2023 = the "power" of consoles, the "pro" devs. Amiga "hires" games from 1995. This is madhouse.
I would not judge the consoles on *this* game.
@@davidandrew6855 Similar situation with Elden Ring: 30-35 fps in most locations.
@@p0k314COM Again, would not use Elden Ring to judge these consoles, as it is a cross-platform game and FromSoftware as not fixed their improper frame pacing in over a decade. There are reasons to say PS5 and Series X are not _that_ powerful, these two games are certainly not 2 of them.
@@davidandrew6855 Ye, ye. No Elder Ring, no Star Wars Jedi. This is bad optymized, there is other case. Always some problems. What a bad luck.
@@p0k314COM What can we say, you picked two extremely bad examples of games to gauge the power of the consoles.
How about the newest version of GT7 for PS5 with 120fps mode? Hitman 3 which runs really well on both? There are good and bad examples of performance, not all bad ones mean the hardware is the issue.
Haha, wow. That Fallen Order visual comparison seems almost cruel. It really is impressive how much they improved the visuals in Survivor.
Performance issues aside, this really does look like an incredible star wars game.
It is. I just ignore the frame drops and, fortunately, I have had no game breaking bugs. I just subscribed to EA Play for a month to play it. I would be disappointed if I had bought it.
it looks amazing and started playing the first level with incredible frame drops and even the cutscenes are chugging. I have a high-end PC and I have never seen a game struggle so hard and my hardware is not being used to 100%. It is a software issue and while you can technically play it, dropping to 20fps is terrible when your computer can easily get it to 100fps.
It's a fantastic Star Wars game
Given how great Fallen Order was it does, but sadly it probably needed a few months for better optimization - especially the PC version.
the first one was, this one looks even better. there's nothing been done that gets star wars correct like these games.
648 to 864!? Wtf!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I swear we’re going backwards. Can’t wait to play games on the ps7 at 240p resolution 😂
this is so crazy, back to ps3 standarts . Welcome to 2024 gaming, experience master class visuals at 648p with stuttery 30 fps wand dips to 20s. But you should be grateful. They gave us Ray Tracing . So dont complain
2:26 ray tracing is a revelation here
Yet again no mention of the HDR issue.
I feel like DF has been missing some obvious issues lately. RE4 Remake has major texture streaming issues especially on XSX, but it was never addressed. Also I feel like this video wasted a lot of time just gushing about the lighting... Didn't really help me to decide which console to buy this game on at all.
And this is why I never buy a game at release. It'll look great in a few months, and be half the price 👍
We're back to 30fps territory boys!
But this time on 648p.
Exactly. I actually play Hogwarts @ 30 fps on my PS5 as well since the performance mode just looks so much worse.
I’m ok with 30fps but 972 p ? Not even full hd ? Fuck that shit I’ll never buy this game
Doing a versus video without doing an Xbox tech breakdown first...you guys, @Digital Foundry, are really showing your colors aren't you?
what vs ? they never showed x vs ps5 gameplay, or give us resolution for xbox ike they did for ps5... they only compared ps5 to pc and ps5 to s than say x is the same
@@ionut15091 Form a somehwat coherent reading experience please. I am simply commenting on the fact they did a PC breakdown, and they also did a PS5 breakdown. Now they jump right into console comparisons...lol, pretty obvious isn't it?
Never got the whole zoomed in analysis.. Like, I'm not sitting 3 inches from the screen and when playing at a normal distance I can't tell the difference between the three lol.
Anyone giving EA $70 for anything hasn’t been paying attention…at all.
I bought a key for $48 and it runs great on my PC so money well spent
@orange you still played yourself. You can wait till it is $15 in 6 to 12 months or could have done EA access for $15 for one month and just played the game that way and canceled before the next month
The Dead Space remake was great...
EA made the GOTY two years ago.
It's baffling to have games that perform this bad alongside with games like Horizon Forbidden West that look stunning and perform many times better on the same platform.
In terms of visuals, animation, and optimisation, this title is a joke. Just look at what Insomniac got out of the current gen at launch compared to this. There's no excuse, and Respawn should be ashamed.
Insomniac only had to really do it for one core platform and dev environment.
Thank you! All the animations are janky as hell. Fallen order was just....fine. I really never got the hype for this gane.
Not just Insomniac but also SM with GoWR and Guerilla with HBS. 1st party games will always take full advantage of the hardware. Multiplats otoh are not easy given the great variability in hardware
@@CheckmateStallioN “full advantage” you talk like these consoles have some extra level of power that can be unlocked? Truth is, the Xbox SX and PS5 were still born when they first came out performance wise.
@@CheckmateStallioN Yet, Guerilla, Santa Monica and Insomniac have made excellent PC ports of their PlayStation titles. This developer has no excuse, and it's not like these platforms are so diverse anyway.
I wonder if the Series S settings could play at a consistent 60fps on Series X/PS5. If so that could be a preferred method of play for some.
Or just a proformance mode without ray tracing.
@@mancuniangamecat8288Bro really said proformance
@@jollama what?
Consoles are not powerful enough to have forced rt on. It is not good enough to justify the fps or the lower resolution.
So I guess as the generation continues we'll see more and more sub 1080p 30fps games that dip into the 20s? So much for consoles that eat monsters for breakfast
They eat muffins for breakfast, as it seems.
Consoles have their limitations but damn, games are so extremely unoptimized nowadays. Nothing done in order to run better.
And unlike the last generation, the performance gap between the consoles and PC isn't enough for the PC to brute force past the performance issues.
We all need to pledge to never preorder any game from now on. Wait for detailed reviews always.
I ended up turning RT off on PC and ended up playing like four hours straight last night (just got to Jedha). I was bemoaning the heavy platforming earlier on, but then it turned into a Zelda-like and I'm hooked.
Most real OG gamers will never use fake frames or raytracing as they are just gimmicks sorta like how Physx flopped. If you need to stream your frames from some servers then just get a game streaming subscription and leave the dedicated local hardware alone. Otherwise there will be none left and they will no longer be selling dedicated GPU and instead yo will be on a streaming box like the shield with a $490 a year subscription fee to play at ultra 60fps lol.
@@leanlifter1 How is raytracing a "gimmick?" It may be very questionable for the performance impact at this stage, but pathtracing has literally been the standard for offline renders for decades. No animated movie is rasterized unless for stylistic reasons.
Saying it's not worth it for games yet is fine, but that doesn't make it a "fad" or "gimmick." Misusing those words for anything people dislike for unrelated reasons.
Yeah, that's kind of an odd take. I've also been gaming since about 1979, so uh... yeah.
Anyway, update: a few days later, they dropped a patch and I turned RT back on and I think the game runs mostly great. Finished it and now I'm playing Tears of the Kingdom, which includes the FSR gimmick. :D
@@squirty131 Shee so many dollars into just graphics and you still can't max it out lol. Good luck with that.
648p to 864p upscaled to 1440p. Yikes. And still having massive performance dips down to 30 in that performance mode. Looks like that 30fps gen starts now that next gen has officially started. At least if you want above 1440p resolution ;p I'll play this in a few years after 20 patches, or perhaps get it at 15 bucks when the Ps6/XboxNew is out.
The consoles aren’t the problem. The optimization is.
@@supmadude3665 Didn't intend to make it sound like it was - my bad. The choice to push (little) graphical prowess over performance because they're convinced that graphics sell. Instead they choose to brute force graphics and I kind of was hoping we were moving past that this generation. At least slightly.
I mean we can all see how 'good' recent PC ports have been as well (horrible) in terms of optimization, shader stutter etc etc. Yikes.
14:22 omg. will this aliasing and artefacts caused by the upsampling be fixed in a future patch? or is it more inherent to their upscaling implementation and will stay?
I wouldn’t think so unless they are able to increase the base resolution it is sampled from, which given the current performance seems unlikely. I recently played through Cyberpunk 2077 on a Series X in performance mode which also uses FSR and some of the artifacting was unbelievable. In one scene a character eats some food which looks perfect on the plate. As it as it moves though it turns into a crazy swirling mess of pixels, incredibly distracting.
Quick tip to improve image quality for any console players out there: Set FOV to Wide (the middle setting, up one from default), and disable Chromatic Aberration.
Changing the FOV to Wide doesn’t simply change a slider, it changes the camera height and angle in a way that is FAR more favorable for FSR 2 artifacts to be avoided. The default camera angle causes MASSIVE ghosting and fizzle issues, due to the size of your character model and the lower camera angle pitching your character model against the background of the scenes, rather than against more of the ground on the Wide setting.
I hope this helps. This was on PS5 btw, but the same exact thing applies to series x.
Why did this get unlisted?
Looks like it's still up to me.
@@BenoHourglass It was unlisted for a bit then posted again. Maybe they accidentally uploaded it earlier than they wanted to.
To be fair, FSR generally looks much better at higher framerates. at 30fps is kind of atrocious, but if you are at 60fps (or preferably above. like 90-120fps), the temporal resolve is much quicker and is able to salvage much more of the intended detail. Honestly it's the same with DLSS... upscaling isn't very good at 33.33ms... there's just too much space between frames.
I really think the 30fps mode should hold a locked 30. That's a very low bar, and yet the game doesn't always manage it right now
Where's the pixel count for the xbox versions???
BTW if you pause on cutscenes and turn Perfomance mode back to ON it renders all cutscenes at 60 FPS!!
Day 1 patches of brands new games, regardless of platform, have to end.
Accountability
The actual console comparisons start at 8:17 in the video. The beginning is just padding (Ray-tracing, lighting, and differences between Survivor and the first game, Fallen Order). Just skip to 8:17
Are we just going to not talk about the upscailed super low resolutions just to keep the steady framerate, that is just disrespectful.
Not sure why they'd make raytracing mandatory even on performance mode, How can i focus on amazing lighting when resolution drops below HD and the main character is blurry and fuzzy anytime move around??
What's really frustrating is that those that don't game in 4K don't benefit from playing in 1080p because the output rendering is fixed. Why not give us full control to play these games as low as 720P to free up resources for framerate.
You mention VRR in the video but... In the ps5 version at least, it doesn't seem to be engaging, even if set to force on in the system menu. I think the game is using adaptive vsync and VRR just refuses to engage in performance mode on ps5. It's a real bummer.
Sub 48 fps VRR won’t work.
@@kraenk12 I know this. It doesn't work above 48fps either though. There is no VRR support for this game on ps5. They're using adaptive vsync which seems to be what's preventing vrr.
What's the internal resolution of the XSX?
They never say and glaze over data when it shows that the Series X may be outperforming or on parity with their precious PS5 and its fanbase. If it goes against the Series X, though, it will get a 3 minute diatribe on how the Series consoles are lacking.
Please do performance retests after patches.
So why didn’t they say what resolution the Series X is running in these 2 modes other than just saying it was similar to PS5?
I'm surprised he didn't say Xbox was better
Dropping the resolution to 720p is unforgivable and the game still doesn't manage to keep constant 60fps. Wtf is going on?
UE4. outdated garbage
648p * 😂 wtf is this PS2?
Ok guys ... Here's the point .
Last night, Digital foundry made a full video showing ps5 performance of the game
Today, digital foundry doing another video showing ps5 performance of the game with mentioning series x performance as " the same" .
If you dont believe that DF is biased then here's the proof !
What's biased about that? They compared the two. What more do you want? Or is this just you being a little snowflake with perpetual victim complex?
I agree about 3 mins of the video is series X and then they show bugs using series X footage only. Not the first time I’ve noticed this with DF.
Ok you stated PS5 pixel count and XSS what was XSX pixel count you said more or less the same but didn't say
Might be a dumb question but why can’t developers use RT Baked lighting? I.e. use RT to light the scene and then use that to bake the scene… I clearly don’t know how baking works 😅
I think you need a stove to bake anything. Mainly cakes.
I guess they could fake lots of things to gain performance but they rely on real time performance killing stuffs and they use sometimes little bit blurry upscaling to compensate it. Horrible trend. Jedi Survivor is looking very good (I'm not as impressed as DF in this case), but I think the requirements are far from justified. Unoptimized mess.
They do. Specifically they usually use a path tracer to bake lighting into static geometry but you still have an issue when it comes to lighting anything dynamic or having direct lighting at all. Most games have some sort of probe system that uses the static lighting on surfaces to give dynamic objects GI. Probe systems can do a pretty good job as demonstrated without RT the lighting still looks very good but probes systems can incur a much higher cost to performance and memory usage the more accurate they need to be.
Yes, Dead Island 2 looks way better.
After almost 4 hours on my PS5, now I'm in an open area and the FPS drop down in a very annoying way. I'm thinking to wait a new patch and to play something else from my backlog in the meanwhile.
By the time this game is fixed, it’ll be added to EA Play, which means it will be added to Game Pass, which means I’ll be playing the best version while spending the least amount of money! Thanks everyone for funding this project at release!!!
We must always bow our heads to the hype martyrs and first adopters.
They ain’t smart, one bit, but we benefit on the back end.
Yup. It pays to be a Patient Gamer.
I don't know if I can wait a full year to play this. But hopefully there will be a great sale in six months.
Give us money now and we might fix it later.
Also, give us more while we release DLCs and maybe fix someday 1 or pre-beta reported bug.
Looking forward to checking out this game 2 years from now on once it reaches the Polish state in its complete edition for 75% off.
Thank you to the beta testers who will help provide feedback and make the game better.
If people wouldn't pre-order, we wouldn't be in this mess...
People have too much self-entitlement to be patient about something.
The saddest part of all is that’s all it would take. Hurt the shareholders and the companies start shaping up.
Just hold onto your $70 for even just six months after launch and you’ll see wonders.
What does pre ordering got to do with them completing and finishing a game properly?
If anything pre-ordering will give them more money to finish the game.
The problem is they're releasing these games before they're finished.
@@mrglass7133 They don't need to finish the game if people buy it anyways.
Even Nintendo got lazy after 15 years of people tolerating this crap, and they were a company with highly polished game up to the late WiiU.
No testing of the series X and S in the outdoor areas in the lake/water areas where the fps tanks for the ps5 version?
Expected the series S to have better performance/resolution since ray tracing is off.
So whats the resolution on the series X?
I'll buy it in six months when it's actually patched up (hopefully) and at a significant discount. Gotta love AAA gaming in 2023.
This is a non-starter for me. Neither mode looks to be a good option. Not letting you turn off RT is a very poor choice. It's never worth the performance cost.
I disagree about RT never being worth the performance cost. Here it is but there are other games where yes it is worth it
@@crestofhonor2349 Not for me. The novelty of RT wears off after a while but poor performance is always bad. DF is being far too soft on this game's problems in my opinion because they are obsessed with RT and want to praise any game that uses it. I completely disagree with that mentality, smooth performance with decent image quality should be the main priority, fancy graphical features are far less important.
@@topooly Alex was by far the hardest on the game by his PC showcase and did a great job of breaking down it's issues. Oliver could have done more though
I really enjoyed this. Great attention to details I wouldnt pick up on. Particularly liked the side by side comparison.
When your game is struggling to run at 720p on ALL platforms, even after image reconstruction tricks, you probably need to dial things back.
It's 2023. 60fps at 720p should not be an unreachable bar.
I can't believe a game in 2023 has that low of a resolution, disable ray tracing qnd lower shadow quality so we can have higher resolution and framerate!
$70 Beta Access Date: 4/28/23
Official Release Date: ?
When ps5 has the edge DF dont show them side by side and say it's similar.
Tbh, though, it's like saying solid turd has the edge over diarrhoea.