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I'd be so fascinated to know how you feel or would feel about Marie Antoinette's depiction in the historical anime Rose of Versailles. As someone who *never* found her aspirational and was always disgusted by her, this relatively faithful recreation of who she actually was and the emphasis on the difficult position she was in being pawned off from her home country as a young girl *without* excusing her answerability to the plight of the poor made me rethink her. Just as romanticizing her is wrong, demonizing her as THE reason her country was in the state it was as opposed to the truth of the matter that she was one cog in a massive machine, is wrong as well.
I don't think she was indifferent. She told her daughter she wouldn't be getting presents because other children didn't have any. Her spending habits were much less than Louis XV's mistress, and nowhere near enough to put the country in crisis. She also rejected a jeweler's offer to sell her a hugely expensive necklace, saying that either they needed more ships, or that it was for Madame du Barry. If you read biographies about her, you can see her behaviour became more responsible after becoming a mother (except for that hamlet she had to live out her cottagecore dreams - that was weird). She could've been more strategic and utilised her position to influence people, but court politics were complex, too much so for someone as 'hard to teach' as MA. Even so, those under her influence were ladies like her, not men who held the true power. That makes her stupid and possibly dangerous, but not evil. This shallowness no doubt hindered her from fully understanding the people's struggles. Most do not have the vision to form a plan to overthrow tradition, and to expect this from a hedonistic lady on the basis of her involuntary queenship would be in my opinion asking too much. But yeah, agree with the video's message, she shouldn't be romanticised, especially not with the image people have of her as a spoilt, hedonistic, self-victimising rich lady.
Marie Antoinette the film is from Marie's pov and also just a bg and exploration of a girl's mind rather than a movie about marie antoinette. The real marie antoinette was just a rich woman, although she was impacted by misogyny, its usually not by the masses, its by people like her who were misogynistic, and just as horrible as her. The revolutionaries were mostly lead by women and they usually punch up about the actual faults of these people and their frivolities. Thank you for talking about this and also raising awareness for gazans! Also, off topic, the way under patriarchy if you dont fit what is attractive to the male gaze you cant win, you can be masculine because then ure not a woman and ure not respected because youre seen as not as srs or annoying or angering, you cant be too girly, cuz then youre just annoying and dont fit the gaze that dictates you. Unless you reject it, you cannot win.
i was really baffled at the internet's historical revisionism with marie antoinette. it's like how the whole "i'm just a girl" is being used as a shield to deflect accountability :(
"The revolutionaries were mostly led by women" - Sure, if you think the entire frev was just the march on Versaiklles and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE. Like not to dismiss the role of women in the sanscoulottes, political clubs etc., like they were certainly politically active... But most of the leaders? Girl be for real.
The revolution did bring more rights to women, but it also set back some.For example, after the execution of Marie Antoinette, women were barred from political spaces, and a female activist was guillotined.
I thought Marie Antoinette was beautifully shot but emotionally flat. When Zone of Interest came out, I realized that's what I wanted from Marie Antoinette--the film to acknowledge the true depths of poverty and anguish the people were experiencing while the monarchy cloistered themselves with their wealth. As it was, it felt like the movie glossed over the reality of the situation only until the very end and even then it felt emotionally empty for me.
The movie was made by someone who benefited from inequalities all her life and never questionated the system that rewarded the exploit of being born. What do you expected ?
I watched the Sofia’s movie again as an adult with my friend and I found myself feeling disgusted and annoyed with how my friend romanticized this depiction. For reference, my friend comes from a multimillionaire family. Her room is bigger than my living room and kitchen COMBINED. It’s interesting how she felt so much empathy towards her and no consideration of why she was so hated
Eh, I mean yes but no. I agree we shouldn't be romanticising historical figures, hell, we shouldn't be romanticising or idealising any real people because none of us could actually ever live up to that in reality. But I do think that, throughout history, Marie Antoinette has on average been unjustly demonised far more than she has been unjustly romanticised. I mean, that famous quote you put in your thumbnail is a perfect example. She never actually said that. And to some degree lavish spending was simply expected of a woman of her status. As the queen you had to dazzle, you had to keep up with the fashions, you had to represent the country's wealth and power. It was a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of situation for her. People would've criticised her either way. (Though certainly some expenditures such as her private hamlet can't be explained away that way. I'm not trying to argue that she was perfect or without fault.) At the end of the day, yes, she benefitted from a deeply unjust, oppressive system, just like the super rich do today or hell, just like almost every regular citizen of the developed world does today, if we're looking at it on a global scale (depending on how many of the products you consume were produced in sweat shops or on foreign plantations using slave labour, child labour, etc.), but she was born into that system just like everyone else, she didn't choose her lot in life and she lived at a time when it would've been a lot more difficult to gain an outside or alternate perspective on those types of things than it is today. And we know from historical records that she did worry about the poor and about the state of the country and she supported many charities. You can certainly argue that she didn't worry enough, didn't do enough or didn't give enough but I don't think that you can argue that she didn't care.
well, yes. there's certainly complexities to her situation and she has been historically vilified. but as of late, i keep seeing these posts (mostly tiktok) abt how she was completely innocent. i mean it's kinda crazy, they're literally out there revising history saying b1n l4den was a hero 💀
The world isn’t black and white, nobody is entirely good or bad, we have to understand and balance the good and bad things they do, in Marie’s case she’s not bad nor is she entirely innocent she’s human like all of us. She’s a victim of her circumstances, she didn’t choose to be born as a royal, just by being born a royal people are already pointing fingers and hating her, she’s bullied for being simple and not extravagant then she’s bullied into being extravagant and ostentatious, it’s die if you do die if you don’t situation. I agree we shouldn’t look pass the horrible things popular historical figures do, but we should still be sympathetic and understand that she’s a human being as well and the ways she’s treated during the last days of her life is less than human
There's no evidence Jacques Armand hated her. All we know is that Madame Campan claimed he joined the revolutionary army to avoid the negative consequences of being associated with the queen; considering that people were arrested and executing (or, in the case of the princesse de Lamballe, brutally murdered) for being viewed as associates of the queen, it seems reasonable enough that he might do so to keep himself safe. You also didn't have to hate Marie Antoinette to support the revolution. Joseph Bologne was on good terms with the queen and still joined the revolutionary army and refused to join a counter-revolution to rescue the royal family.
I’m not really a fan of Marie Antoinette(2006) for accuracy, but artistically, it’s very pretty. Marie Antoinette was a good person but only became a victim socially(not including those disgusting pornographic and xenophobic pamphlets in the years leading up to the revolution) during the revolution.
I can't say I have seen this movie. I saw two of her moviea Sucide Virgins and Lost in Translation and gave up seeing any of her other films. Both movies were so slow and melancholy like a French art house movie which is the vide most of other movies seem ti give off far as I can tell. That said our love or romantization of the uber rich is nothing new. Even when they are the monsters is the books and movies they are in we love them. Thing other than the movie Parasite of many storiea criticing Capitalism. Oliver Stone's Wall Street there are hundreds of thusands of people who dream being Gordon Gekko and happpily quote him. Same goes for Wolf of Wall Street. Scarface and American Paycho their lead characters are loved by many. We love them because we want to be them.
I believe people hardly romanticise the real Marie Antoinette it's Coppola's Antoinette people like bcs the movie is visually appealing n far from reality. But i do agree alot with wt is being said in the video
The nepo baby should have been more humble and invented a fictional queen (maybe a bit inspired by Marie-Antoinette but with a different name and in a fictional country) instead of using a complex real life situation that she don't understand.
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Cool video but I don't care about Palestine
@@TheSonOfDumb loser male states his edgy opinion for internet validation
@@TheSonOfDumbwhy?
@@TheSonOfDumb bro really thought he was doing something commenting that lmao
I'd be so fascinated to know how you feel or would feel about Marie Antoinette's depiction in the historical anime Rose of Versailles. As someone who *never* found her aspirational and was always disgusted by her, this relatively faithful recreation of who she actually was and the emphasis on the difficult position she was in being pawned off from her home country as a young girl *without* excusing her answerability to the plight of the poor made me rethink her. Just as romanticizing her is wrong, demonizing her as THE reason her country was in the state it was as opposed to the truth of the matter that she was one cog in a massive machine, is wrong as well.
oh i was kinda aware of the anime but this description of it makes me want to watch it!
@@quinevere And it's not even the most interesting aspect of the show! For the 70s it plays with gender expression so beautifully.
ohh this is my first time hearing abt it. will definitely watch !! ty for the reco
@@orphicccmess It's an oldie but a goodie as they say! Feel free to let me know how it goes if you like! 😄
I agree!
Love this and your narration. I like that you don't completely demonize her, but also don't let her get away with her faults.
I don't think she was indifferent. She told her daughter she wouldn't be getting presents because other children didn't have any. Her spending habits were much less than Louis XV's mistress, and nowhere near enough to put the country in crisis. She also rejected a jeweler's offer to sell her a hugely expensive necklace, saying that either they needed more ships, or that it was for Madame du Barry. If you read biographies about her, you can see her behaviour became more responsible after becoming a mother (except for that hamlet she had to live out her cottagecore dreams - that was weird).
She could've been more strategic and utilised her position to influence people, but court politics were complex, too much so for someone as 'hard to teach' as MA. Even so, those under her influence were ladies like her, not men who held the true power. That makes her stupid and possibly dangerous, but not evil. This shallowness no doubt hindered her from fully understanding the people's struggles. Most do not have the vision to form a plan to overthrow tradition, and to expect this from a hedonistic lady on the basis of her involuntary queenship would be in my opinion asking too much.
But yeah, agree with the video's message, she shouldn't be romanticised, especially not with the image people have of her as a spoilt, hedonistic, self-victimising rich lady.
Marie Antoinette the film is from Marie's pov and also just a bg and exploration of a girl's mind rather than a movie about marie antoinette. The real marie antoinette was just a rich woman, although she was impacted by misogyny, its usually not by the masses, its by people like her who were misogynistic, and just as horrible as her. The revolutionaries were mostly lead by women and they usually punch up about the actual faults of these people and their frivolities. Thank you for talking about this and also raising awareness for gazans! Also, off topic, the way under patriarchy if you dont fit what is attractive to the male gaze you cant win, you can be masculine because then ure not a woman and ure not respected because youre seen as not as srs or annoying or angering, you cant be too girly, cuz then youre just annoying and dont fit the gaze that dictates you. Unless you reject it, you cannot win.
i was really baffled at the internet's historical revisionism with marie antoinette. it's like how the whole "i'm just a girl" is being used as a shield to deflect accountability :(
"The revolutionaries were mostly led by women" - Sure, if you think the entire frev was just the march on Versaiklles and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE. Like not to dismiss the role of women in the sanscoulottes, political clubs etc., like they were certainly politically active... But most of the leaders? Girl be for real.
The revolution did bring more rights to women, but it also set back some.For example, after the execution of Marie Antoinette, women were barred from political spaces, and a female activist was guillotined.
I thought Marie Antoinette was beautifully shot but emotionally flat. When Zone of Interest came out, I realized that's what I wanted from Marie Antoinette--the film to acknowledge the true depths of poverty and anguish the people were experiencing while the monarchy cloistered themselves with their wealth. As it was, it felt like the movie glossed over the reality of the situation only until the very end and even then it felt emotionally empty for me.
The movie was made by someone who benefited from inequalities all her life and never questionated the system that rewarded the exploit of being born. What do you expected ?
I watched the Sofia’s movie again as an adult with my friend and I found myself feeling disgusted and annoyed with how my friend romanticized this depiction. For reference, my friend comes from a multimillionaire family. Her room is bigger than my living room and kitchen COMBINED. It’s interesting how she felt so much empathy towards her and no consideration of why she was so hated
thank god, someone said it.
Eh, I mean yes but no. I agree we shouldn't be romanticising historical figures, hell, we shouldn't be romanticising or idealising any real people because none of us could actually ever live up to that in reality. But I do think that, throughout history, Marie Antoinette has on average been unjustly demonised far more than she has been unjustly romanticised. I mean, that famous quote you put in your thumbnail is a perfect example. She never actually said that. And to some degree lavish spending was simply expected of a woman of her status. As the queen you had to dazzle, you had to keep up with the fashions, you had to represent the country's wealth and power. It was a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of situation for her. People would've criticised her either way. (Though certainly some expenditures such as her private hamlet can't be explained away that way. I'm not trying to argue that she was perfect or without fault.) At the end of the day, yes, she benefitted from a deeply unjust, oppressive system, just like the super rich do today or hell, just like almost every regular citizen of the developed world does today, if we're looking at it on a global scale (depending on how many of the products you consume were produced in sweat shops or on foreign plantations using slave labour, child labour, etc.), but she was born into that system just like everyone else, she didn't choose her lot in life and she lived at a time when it would've been a lot more difficult to gain an outside or alternate perspective on those types of things than it is today. And we know from historical records that she did worry about the poor and about the state of the country and she supported many charities. You can certainly argue that she didn't worry enough, didn't do enough or didn't give enough but I don't think that you can argue that she didn't care.
well, yes. there's certainly complexities to her situation and she has been historically vilified. but as of late, i keep seeing these posts (mostly tiktok) abt how she was completely innocent. i mean it's kinda crazy, they're literally out there revising history saying b1n l4den was a hero 💀
@orphicccmess Well, that's tiktok in a nutshell.
Second, that's all about?.
The world isn’t black and white, nobody is entirely good or bad, we have to understand and balance the good and bad things they do, in Marie’s case she’s not bad nor is she entirely innocent she’s human like all of us.
She’s a victim of her circumstances, she didn’t choose to be born as a royal, just by being born a royal people are already pointing fingers and hating her, she’s bullied for being simple and not extravagant then she’s bullied into being extravagant and ostentatious, it’s die if you do die if you don’t situation.
I agree we shouldn’t look pass the horrible things popular historical figures do, but we should still be sympathetic and understand that she’s a human being as well and the ways she’s treated during the last days of her life is less than human
Exactly 💯
Always look forward to your vids, another great one ❤
Opening song?
I mean she did adopt a poor child.. Who hated her and joined the rebellion. She wasn't completely unaware.
There's no evidence Jacques Armand hated her. All we know is that Madame Campan claimed he joined the revolutionary army to avoid the negative consequences of being associated with the queen; considering that people were arrested and executing (or, in the case of the princesse de Lamballe, brutally murdered) for being viewed as associates of the queen, it seems reasonable enough that he might do so to keep himself safe. You also didn't have to hate Marie Antoinette to support the revolution. Joseph Bologne was on good terms with the queen and still joined the revolutionary army and refused to join a counter-revolution to rescue the royal family.
Love the movie and this commentary!
I’m not really a fan of Marie Antoinette(2006) for accuracy, but artistically, it’s very pretty. Marie Antoinette was a good person but only became a victim socially(not including those disgusting pornographic and xenophobic pamphlets in the years leading up to the revolution) during the revolution.
what’s the song in the intro called?? guitar sounds cool
hiii, it's paganini's capriccio 24 but metal (cover by Dr.Viossy)
THANK YOU !!
I can't say I have seen this movie. I saw two of her moviea Sucide Virgins and Lost in Translation and gave up seeing any of her other films. Both movies were so slow and melancholy like a French art house movie which is the vide most of other movies seem ti give off far as I can tell.
That said our love or romantization of the uber rich is nothing new. Even when they are the monsters is the books and movies they are in we love them. Thing other than the movie Parasite of many storiea criticing Capitalism. Oliver Stone's Wall Street there are hundreds of thusands of people who dream being Gordon Gekko and happpily quote him. Same goes for Wolf of Wall Street. Scarface and American Paycho their lead characters are loved by many.
We love them because we want to be them.
Thank you for your video ❤🍉
WOOOOOO awesome video!!!!! 🍉🍉🍉
As a French person, fucking finally.
no *beat drop*
i love how that's your concern bc rewatching it now i wish i edited the audio better 😭
I believe people hardly romanticise the real Marie Antoinette it's Coppola's Antoinette people like bcs the movie is visually appealing n far from reality. But i do agree alot with wt is being said in the video
I saw many people acting like if this nepo baby propaganda was a well made documentary and apply its black and white morality to the real life event.
The nepo baby should have been more humble and invented a fictional queen (maybe a bit inspired by Marie-Antoinette but with a different name and in a fictional country) instead of using a complex real life situation that she don't understand.
who?
Garfield
the great big orange cat with a love for lasagna
nonsense.