Hello comment viewers. I have a slight update to this video in the form of a channel post. Just a quick discussion of the stuff shown off at TACCOM 2024. th-cam.com/users/postUgkx318GW5iIXiAhzLGjTU1u1PD4OMSXVB7i?si=1SQK720ZlG-qAgTP
Legitimately asking you this directly, I currently have a Kel-tec SU16E and thinking about upgrading in the near future..... What do you recommend? The 180s seem like garbage, the other AR style rifles seem like garbage, hell I was even considering this.... which direction would you point me in
@Jake23115 if you're looking at the under $2K market right now, I'd wait a few months. On paper, the Gen 3 R18 and Gen 3 WK-180 look very promising. But it's probably a good idea to wait and see people's experiences with them. The Raven Silver is also a good option, but you'll have to wait for your order for a couple months. If you're budget is over $2k, then you have options. Bren 2 being the best.
even worse, when more and more nr semi centerfire increase the price due to less competition and updated generation are became porhobit, now cz released bren 3 they gonna slow down bren 2 production then discontinue gen 2 after that evey single bren 2 on the world would be super price almost like antique revolvers for Canadian gun owners.
Did you read the comments on any of the release posts about it? People were freaking the hell out about proprietary mags. I guess they don't get the joke and aren't capable of using a file.
I have no idea why I watch your channel, but I will continue watching every upload lol. I am an american who works in the gun industry here and find the Canadian domestic arms industry to be limitlessly fascinating. Loving your coverage Bats
Sucks to be here,but we're working on changes. The commie left is getting booted to the curb slowly. Things will get back to normal soon, and stuff like this thing , well....
Given that what goes up on here will be promoted and drooled over by your anti-gun zealots, it's a good idea to follow. :) These groups are all linked.
@@LOGIBEAR01 what are you smoking? It blows gas directly into the BCG. That's literally how it works. How it does it could be different, but it's still direct gas impingement
I lucked out and got an original AR180B from Armalite, only gripe with it is the polymer lower, but now im working on modding a WS MCR lower to fit and replace the polymer lower, Motiuk MFG did a video on it.
The Raven is a great rifle, but lockhart has terrible customer service. Email them they don't respond, call them they don't answer. Voice mail is full because they never answer phone calls. Still waiting for them to fulfill my complete order from 2yrs ago...
That's definitely not good. My experience was very good (I purchase myself, no YT info or anything), but it does seem mixed. Was your order the 7.62x51? That is one of the biggest example of why I will never pre-order a Canadian rifle.
@bats8888 No, it was the 9mm, 5.56, and .22lr complete package. Got everything but the .22 rimfire conversion kit. Sent 4 emails so far this year and no response. Every time I call, no answer.
@bats8888 yeah. The product is good, customer service is the worst. Last time I managed to speak with Sam it was not a pleasant phone call. The least he could do is to inform customers of the hold up. Send out an email once in a while stating this is in production just to appease the customer. Things are being worked on, that would at least make me feel a little better. When you can't even find out what's going on is crazy... Doesn't instill confidence in buying anything from them in the future.
Damnmmm I was going to pre order but had second thoughts on it and got the wk180 gen 2 instead didn’t want to hurt my bank for my first gun haha I feel every gun had their own problems….wk180 was the only one that I could walk in store and buy it haha
From the facebook group doesn’t seem like you can get a raven atm.thank you so much for the comment about never pre ordering. That’s how these companies get interest free loans. Me and 99 other guys are still waiting on an upper that was supposed to be delivered by Christmas last year
@@Dmac6969 super frustrating. Guy makes an awesome product but I refuse to buy anything from him till I get that upper. And even then I have a hard time financially supporting a company that’s so unprofessional. An update once in a while would be nice but I guess his customers aren’t worth the hassle
I don't like doing that, but this is quite literally an AR-15 except for the front pin. Legally speaking, it shouldn't be considered an AR-15. Practically speaking, it should. The government does what it wants anyway. It banned a 22lr that looked like an AR even though it had 0 parts compatability.
Well at the very least it’s promising to see that even with the most anti-gun gov’t in the history of our nation and with the most extreme restrictions we’ve ever been saddled with that there are still companies willing to circumvent the BS to fill our market. If nothing else it takes some anxiety out of the future. It’s a bit of a shame it’s got such a steep price point for what it is. But I get it, anything new and proprietary is usually expensive to make… unless your name is Keltec.
thanks for your vids man, keep it up. I find the proprietary mag interesting as it looks in the vid. If you machined out the grooves in the magwell it looks like it might be able to accept regular mags because the crypto mags work in stanag magwells, and with it being basically an AR if the lower and upper are well made then, well... youve got yourself a legal AR.
Thanks for the video, very interesting discussions to be had. This crypto is a hard no for me, but I hope it works to keep these Canadian companies going and innovating. If laws get changed and AR’s are back on the menu, the competition will be fierce. These guns will not be able to compete with sub $900 AR’s.
Yeah that 100% true but every other option we have in Canada is a boutique range queen from Europe that is like 4000$ because a war is going on. Not a single semi auto 5.56 rifle in Canada that is a good deal brother they know you have no other options
Yes, but in direct comparison to Stanag pistol mags, it's still slower. Cross mags do that and have 10 round capacity. The mag design I think are fantastic, but inherently limited.
@@bats8888 Yes, I’ve been thinking about that too. The problem is anything newly designed, has to never have been capable of accepting anything other than a 5 rounder. So in order to get a new rifle that’s legal, this is a great go around. So the real question for me is that I believe, if they cheat and win the next election, or perhaps as a pre-election stunt, will ban anything that accepts 10 rounds. So this new one would still be a go around, without having it confiscated for votes.
So.....my raven silver was w Top charging handle, brass, cover, and extended pins, with taxes and shipping came to just over 3k and was 4.5 months to get. But love it!
Then they can make a magazine well adapter so it can use different magazines. Either way, even if it won't sell as well as other rifles available, it proves that the Libs laws are stupid, which we know.
Its a court case you will win, even if during the case the GOVT decides to declare the gun Prohib Status, which wont affect the case since the arrest would have been made in this case before the new ruling. But you can def make your money back by then suing the PD for damages and wrongful detainment.
If the mags a dimensionally similar to the STANAG mags and the only difference is the fins in the magwell of the crypto. Could you not remove the material from the magwell so it could accept P-mags?
@@bats8888 At that point its alot more attractive using almost all AR parts, though they would sell alot better if they did a stripped upper and lower. That could open up the market back into the AR world. This may be more important then just an overpriced/ probably unreliable crusader
@@bats8888 I think thats a fair point to make as well. There's also the argument weather its worth the time and money if we looking at a conservative gov with a roll back on the OIC and C21. All and all i think 2g is way too high especially with no track record and most likely sub standard AR parts. if they hit a 1200-1400 price point they would fly off shelves
Kinda like playing chess with someone who is able to move the pieces wherever they want. The rcmp will declare it illegal and ask you to turn it in with no compensation. This is what our country has become
The Raven Silver is not a problem at all. It is 100% false advertisement. Everyone who has received a “Silver” gun got shafted. They are supposed to have a redesigned “smooth and simple” UPPER, LOWER, and MAGWELL. They have been shipped out with the original “lightning cut” receivers with just a “silver” magwell.
False adverts, sure. But that's entirely aesthetic preference. The gold/plat lower and upper are higher quality (it was shipped with the simplified handguard). It's still a semi-auto DI 5.56 rifle with stanag mags that's cheaper than the Crytpo. Lockharts biggest problem is production capacity. If that continue to be a problem, maybe this rifle overtakes it.
ARs are not direct impingement. The carrier isn't acted on by gas impingement, but the bolt is a gas piston that is acted upon by my gasses. It's different, for sure.
I wouldn't even THINK about dropping a pre-order on one of these UNTIL the RCMP Firearms Office gives it an FRT number. For the lesser price, yaaaa some may bite. To be able to use 10 round crossmags ... is it worth that, and the added expense to outfit a Lockhart to match the Crusader Crypto, I'd say probably. The big bonus with a Lockhart is that you should be able to do a caliber change with a new magwell, boltface and barrel, and now you have a 308 or 7.62x39. The Lockhart will also take AR10 style pistol mags ... so definite winner. I need to get a side hustle going, or come outa retirement and go back work !! Like Colion Noir says .... need money for pew pews !! hahaha !
Police use the FRT to make arrests and press charges. Yes, you could win in court. But you have to fight it and there's also a good chance you lose. Based on recent court cases, you probably lose and all that comes with that.
How does this not fall under a ar15 derivative. And isnt a ar15 derivative restricted by definition (if it didnt exist when the oic was done its not prohibited, I believe). Please correct me as I must be missing something
If it stays legal, is because it does not share compatability with AR uppers and lowers. But we've seen guns like this, ATRS, get fucked anyway. We'll see what happens.
@@VA6OILthere were NR 'ARs' pre 2020 that were prohibited because they were an 'AR variant'. No idea how that can be seeing as they were NR and an AR was restricted by definition; so they weren't an AR but then became one for the OiC. They did the same thing to Mossberg .22s that looked vaguely like ARs but shared no parts compatibility other than furniture. The RCMP will change classification at the behest of the government without any technical justification. Either that or we aren't privy to their higher level thinking. I'm sure if Liberal leadership got wind of all the Canadian cope rifles they'd tell the RCMP to reclassify those too.
@@bats8888yeah, that's what they said about the Stag 10 & ATRS rifles. Then they went & changed the Canadian law comments & reclassified it to Banned.
@@VA6OIL reason I ask, is I have an m&p15-22. It is even less compatible with an ar15 then this firearm, but it still fell under derivative and was restricted, and is now prohibited with the OIC (even though the liberals said that no 22lrs were affected by the OIC)
@@Mark-bo5gza Canadian can't go to the stated and live there but yet there's many illegals with pre paid hotel rooms and credit cards straight chilling out in NYC, etc
He's right about not pre-ordering this rifle! I pre-ordered the ATRS Modern Sporter when it first came out. Took over a year to get mine. Totally wasn't worth the wait! Not to mention this could easily get banned with the stroke of a pen!
I've stayed away from the non-restricted since the ban but looking at crypto recently i was thinking of getting a stripped upper and lower crypto to convert a AR safe queen into something i can use again. Not worried about the mag its not the biggest deal. But what else about the Raven is proprietary? Looks like the handguard is, what about the bolt? (it looks like ar15 to me) and is there anything else someone looking to get just upper/lower needs to look out for for the Raven? i got all excited as raven upper/lower is like 300 cheaper, but if you need the handguard its the same price....but if you need a bolt or this or that its now almost the cost of the whole rifle. I would buy a raven upper/lower right now if its parts compatible like the crypto and I didnt have to buy anything else for it. otherwise for ease of conversion looks like crypto upper/lower is the best option if you just want to be able to swap parts and get back out to the range with a AR like rifle again
Only proprietary parts on the Raven are bolt carrier, upper, and lower. Everything else is AR, including handguard. Their website should tell you everything you'd need to finish the builders kit.
@@bats8888 Thanks. I was looking and only saw they mentioned handguard was, i didn't see it on the bolt page. But i see other info on that builders kit page. however can tell you once i realized they are nickel and diming for bolt hold open and other minor features that shouldn't even be a question that it's standard...THEN $130 for a brass deflector....I could never go with this option out of principle. You might as well buy a completed rifle, this is not for someone like me. If i had no rifles and looking for one 1500-1600 (corrected - i see they are actually 18-1900) for a complete one is decent considering its non-restricted. But I want to spend at little as possible to use what I already have. Crypto is a lot for just and upper and lower but at least you are not being nickel and dimed, your just paying the "non-restricted tax" and you just swap stuff over minus the mag. at least with the mag, you can't complain because they are meeting C-21 with it, so its gets a pass (plus you can get around this because I don't think there is any magwell modification law? but could be wrong that's a question for Runkle)
@@bats8888 Just realizing that if you get a stripped lower you need to buy a magwell to attach at $250. i totally missed that and now looking at the stripped lower no idea how i missed that haha. that is crazy omg. there is literally no point to buying the parts to try do do a simple swap (coming from a cost perspective). now i see why the builders kit is so much it wasn't making sense to me at first lol. Almost 5 years into the ban, quality is not the biggest thing for me, being able to use again is. so looks like stripped upper/lower crypto and cutting/milling out lines in ar mags or milling the magwell is way to go if you want to do it as cheap as possible (if you own ARs and have the parts to swap)...assuming that doing one or both wont break current laws (i dont think cutting out lines would break current mag laws, but the magwell a different story.....Runkle would be a better person to ask lol)
@2Supra4U the problem with the crypto is that it doesn't have an FRT. So it could get banned overnight by the RCMP at any point. The Raven does have an FRT, so you'd be good. But yes, legally, you can chage the mag well on any rifle. You just can't modify the mag itself.
@@bats8888 Don't worry about the FRT nonsense. FRT is required for import/export, its not required for something made in Canada. They don't have to apply for one. i knew this before i saw but If you haven't watch the video by code of arms with the guy from spectre/crusader arms, he answers all those internet Fudd questions and points lol. He actually answers the FRT question, along with some other points about the law, etc. People making issue with the mags, they don't realize that once all the c-21 laws come into place pinned mags and pistol mags will be illegal and all new guns will require proprietary mags. i don't see much being imported in the future... . 1K is a lot for what would be like 3-400 if it was an AR but after nearly 5 years and i never had interest in the expensive non restricted alternatives, but at this point 1K and I literally just change the upper and lower and you're back in business....and NO PAPERWORK or restricted firearms rules! lol
To be honest, at this point, I'm not willing to shell out $2K for a rifle that will likely be obsolete in 16 months (assuming the Tories win). I MIGHT consider a receiver/lower kit but if, and only if, it looks like Pierre Polievre snatches defeat from the jaws of victory (I'm looking at YOU Erin O'Toole!) I have enough AR parts to build out a rifle already.
For Canadian stuff? WK180/181, WS MCR, Templar, SRV2, Sterling R18, and Raven. Of course there are better rifles from Europe, but they're quite a bit more money.
I think best option is to find a used one or one at a gun store. Try using arsenalforce(dot)ca to see if any sorres have em. If you order through Lockhart, you will get it. But it may take a long time.
I still affirm that without an FRT, it's not a risk I'm willing to take or show off. I think the offerings from Kodiak and especially Sterling are going to be better.
I would go with the crypto over the raven simply because its all AR 15 parts apart from the receiver set. so unlike the Raven there are replacement bolt carriers and charging handles in abundance compared the ravens proprietary garbage. Plus with LT's past of shoddy QC (yes I know its just like all other Canadian gun companies) and inability to get in touch when there are problems make me not want to support them. On I side note I just think the Raven looks fucking ugly.
It's future proof capability comes in the form of parts. All you would need is a stripper upper and lower from an AR if you have this. If it stays legal but we don't get ARs back, this is the closest functionally to an AR.
Typical AR magazines are too big, and most magazines replicate them. These mags can fit into AR platforms but AR platform magazines cannot fit into it because the are dimensionally too big
Wait guys so under bill c 21 just to make sure I’m getting this right ANY new rifles AFTER bill c 21 that are semi auto any new designs must only take proprietary mags that can only take 5 rounds ?
Kind of. The minimum we can expect is a repeal of C-21 and the May 2020 OIC, as he has stated that constantly. That means we can once again make and import new rifles that take STANAG mags (aka 10 round pistol mags for 7.62x39 and 5.56/.223) as well as any PCC that uses pistol mags.
Yes. If the Conservatives get a majority (which looks almost certain), there is a good chance we get our ARs back and maybe even undue the 90s bans. Of course, nothing is guaranteed.
@@bats8888if crypto's magwell design is modifiable with some diy tool to make it accept stanag mags this gun looks promising for non competition usage. however if the gun law changes to let you modify the magwell to have 5/10rd detachable normal ar mag which also means they revoked the c21😂
Kodiak and their colleagues being based as usual. I know they get a lot of shit on Reddit but this single company has done more to keep the shooting sport alive than the entire Canada guns sub and a few “pro gun” lobbyists. That name is whack tho lol it sounds like a great idea on paper but the execution is just cringe
are all SKS aftermarket pinned mags to 5/30 5/35 and so on still ok? All of these laws have been driving me crazy. I'm sorry if this has already been answered but all of this garbage is ridiculous. Waaaay toooo much garbage and I'm forgetting some of the details. FFS.
Any gun that was designed before Dec 15, 2023 is legal to manufacture, sell, import, distribute, etc. By default, SKS mags (detachable or fixed) have to be 5 rounds. But, you can get an adapter that takes 7.62x39 AR mags and then you can use 10 round XCR mags in an SKS. Edit: Nothing with regard to pinning or mag capacity has been done yet.
BCG issue was fixed a year ago, Gen 1 was too skeletonized. Support is definitely hit or miss, but it seems way better than other Canadian manufacturers (except SBI). Never pre order anything and their website literally says it takes months to get your order.
Fun Fact the original AR 15 developed by Armalite in the 50's didn't have them, Eugene Stoner the Armalite Engineer / Inventor said they weren't needed, the US Army requested they be put on.
Stop advertising these overpriced shitty AR lites made by a shady company preying on desperate Canadians. The state of affairs is already bad and they only make things worse
Dude just buy this reciever set and build it with your own choice of ar parts. Geiselle, daniel, bcm.. etc all proven. It's not like the fkn upper and lower aluminum on the recievers themselves is going to fail lmao
After Hop’s review of the Crusader Arms AR180 on TFBTV I would probably never buy anything they sell. th-cam.com/video/eLS4lddJ74s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1SYiMdmmEHTiPms9 I’ve been quite happy with my Raven anyway. One thing though I wouldn’t say never buy a preorder. If you want to buy a gun or part from Lockhart that isn’t in stock you might be waiting be waiting even longer if you don’t preorder. My rifle arrived on time with part preorders sometimes it’s quick sometimes it’s slow. I can sympathize with the wait times though, it’s a small business in rural Vancouver Island that is likely dealing with huge demand of their products which require skilled people and expensive machinery to produce.
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Hello comment viewers. I have a slight update to this video in the form of a channel post. Just a quick discussion of the stuff shown off at TACCOM 2024.
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Legitimately asking you this directly, I currently have a Kel-tec SU16E and thinking about upgrading in the near future.....
What do you recommend? The 180s seem like garbage, the other AR style rifles seem like garbage, hell I was even considering this.... which direction would you point me in
@Jake23115 if you're looking at the under $2K market right now, I'd wait a few months. On paper, the Gen 3 R18 and Gen 3 WK-180 look very promising. But it's probably a good idea to wait and see people's experiences with them. The Raven Silver is also a good option, but you'll have to wait for your order for a couple months.
If you're budget is over $2k, then you have options. Bren 2 being the best.
Millions of dollars poured into this bill just to get botched by a simple design fix.
...and the new rifle/design prohibited with the stroke of then pen once word gets out.
this bill is useless, it doesn't stop or reduce criminals access firearms at all.
even worse, when more and more nr semi centerfire increase the price due to less competition and updated generation are became porhobit, now cz released bren 3 they gonna slow down bren 2 production then discontinue gen 2 after that evey single bren 2 on the world would be super price almost like antique revolvers for Canadian gun owners.
Did you mean: Millions of dollars poured into this design, just to get botched by a simple bill fix.
government at its finest😉
Haha yeah that magwell keyway is getting milled out immediately.
😂😂😂
Did you read the comments on any of the release posts about it? People were freaking the hell out about proprietary mags. I guess they don't get the joke and aren't capable of using a file.
@@bennyb.1742 They live among us and are able to breed, and vote
My trusty Dremel is the most useful tool I own lol
Magwell is too small to fit standard AR magazines, goodluck
I have no idea why I watch your channel, but I will continue watching every upload lol. I am an american who works in the gun industry here and find the Canadian domestic arms industry to be limitlessly fascinating. Loving your coverage Bats
Lol, thanks for watching!
Sucks to be here,but we're working on changes. The commie left is getting booted to the curb slowly. Things will get back to normal soon, and stuff like this thing , well....
Given that what goes up on here will be promoted and drooled over by your anti-gun zealots, it's a good idea to follow. :) These groups are all linked.
@@the1marauder2 the "serbu buttmaster" saga with the cancelled C-21 amendment shows plenty of unsavory collaboration doesn't it
Hopefully this will help Lockhart get his shit together. A little direct impingement…. I mean competition
Haha. ARs are not actually direct impingement.
@@LOGIBEAR01seriously?? What are they?
@@wildnorthadventures TBH Its a pistol The Gas key Dirrects gass into a gap in the carrier The bolt is actually a small piston
@@LOGIBEAR01 yes they are they are either gas impingement or piston operated when firing 556/223 or larger, 9mm is different
@@LOGIBEAR01 what are you smoking? It blows gas directly into the BCG. That's literally how it works. How it does it could be different, but it's still direct gas impingement
Thank you, love the videos. Very informative ! I'll stick with my WK181C for now, since it seems like every 5.56 canadian rifle has issues
I lucked out and got an original AR180B from Armalite, only gripe with it is the polymer lower, but now im working on modding a WS MCR lower to fit and replace the polymer lower, Motiuk MFG did a video on it.
The Raven is a great rifle, but lockhart has terrible customer service. Email them they don't respond, call them they don't answer. Voice mail is full because they never answer phone calls. Still waiting for them to fulfill my complete order from 2yrs ago...
That's definitely not good. My experience was very good (I purchase myself, no YT info or anything), but it does seem mixed.
Was your order the 7.62x51? That is one of the biggest example of why I will never pre-order a Canadian rifle.
@bats8888 No, it was the 9mm, 5.56, and .22lr complete package. Got everything but the .22 rimfire conversion kit. Sent 4 emails so far this year and no response. Every time I call, no answer.
I think the 22lr bolt is in production now (just looking at their website). But no responses, especially recently, is not good enough at all.
@bats8888 yeah. The product is good, customer service is the worst. Last time I managed to speak with Sam it was not a pleasant phone call. The least he could do is to inform customers of the hold up. Send out an email once in a while stating this is in production just to appease the customer. Things are being worked on, that would at least make me feel a little better. When you can't even find out what's going on is crazy... Doesn't instill confidence in buying anything from them in the future.
Damnmmm I was going to pre order but had second thoughts on it and got the wk180 gen 2 instead didn’t want to hurt my bank for my first gun haha I feel every gun had their own problems….wk180 was the only one that I could walk in store and buy it haha
proprietary .458/.50beo mags when? :P
From the facebook group doesn’t seem like you can get a raven atm.thank you so much for the comment about never pre ordering. That’s how these companies get interest free loans. Me and 99 other guys are still waiting on an upper that was supposed to be delivered by Christmas last year
I'm one of the 99!
@@Dmac6969 super frustrating. Guy makes an awesome product but I refuse to buy anything from him till I get that upper. And even then I have a hard time financially supporting a company that’s so unprofessional. An update once in a while would be nice but I guess his customers aren’t worth the hassle
Perhaps wait to get your hands on before roasting it…
Really wish gun tubers would stop calling non-ARs an AR equivalant.... just going to get it added to the list by people that don't know better.
I don't like doing that, but this is quite literally an AR-15 except for the front pin.
Legally speaking, it shouldn't be considered an AR-15. Practically speaking, it should.
The government does what it wants anyway. It banned a 22lr that looked like an AR even though it had 0 parts compatability.
@@bats8888 Which 22lr was it??
715T I believe
Well at the very least it’s promising to see that even with the most anti-gun gov’t in the history of our nation and with the most extreme restrictions we’ve ever been saddled with that there are still companies willing to circumvent the BS to fill our market.
If nothing else it takes some anxiety out of the future.
It’s a bit of a shame it’s got such a steep price point for what it is. But I get it, anything new and proprietary is usually expensive to make… unless your name is Keltec.
thanks for your vids man, keep it up. I find the proprietary mag interesting as it looks in the vid. If you machined out the grooves in the magwell it looks like it might be able to accept regular mags because the crypto mags work in stanag magwells, and with it being basically an AR if the lower and upper are well made then, well... youve got yourself a legal AR.
But modifying that rifles mag well to accept stanag mags would then make it prohibited no?
@bryantimms1469 no. You can modify a gun to take any mag, for example 10/22 mag adapter or SKS mag adapters. You can NOT modify the mag itself.
@@bats8888 I think modifying mags is fine as long as you don't go over capacity restrictions. Tons of people modify ak mags to fit t81.
@@bats8888interesting i did not know that
@gonzala yes, correct
Thanks for the video, very interesting discussions to be had. This crypto is a hard no for me, but I hope it works to keep these Canadian companies going and innovating. If laws get changed and AR’s are back on the menu, the competition will be fierce. These guns will not be able to compete with sub $900 AR’s.
All these Canadian rifles are overpriced for what you get. $2200 for this😂🤣Thats AR 10 pricing.
Yeah that 100% true but every other option we have in Canada is a boutique range queen from Europe that is like 4000$ because a war is going on. Not a single semi auto 5.56 rifle in Canada that is a good deal brother they know you have no other options
@@kalgore4906 The Bren would be the better choice.
@@1ABNDTbren was supposed to kill the ar and failed
@@1ABNDTI want a bren. I just got a keltec su16a was $770 very reliable and accurate
@@kalgore4906keltec su16a $770 on sale. Awesome rifle
Apparently it’s going to be a double 5 round mag. So you can flip it over and get another 5
Yes, but in direct comparison to Stanag pistol mags, it's still slower. Cross mags do that and have 10 round capacity.
The mag design I think are fantastic, but inherently limited.
@@bats8888 Yes, I’ve been thinking about that too. The problem is anything newly designed, has to never have been capable of accepting anything other than a 5 rounder. So in order to get a new rifle that’s legal, this is a great go around. So the real question for me is that I believe, if they cheat and win the next election, or perhaps as a pre-election stunt, will ban anything that accepts 10 rounds. So this new one would still be a go around, without having it confiscated for votes.
So.....my raven silver was w
Top charging handle, brass, cover, and extended pins, with taxes and shipping came to just over 3k and was 4.5 months to get. But love it!
Then they can make a magazine well adapter so it can use different magazines. Either way, even if it won't sell as well as other rifles available, it proves that the Libs laws are stupid, which we know.
Its a court case you will win, even if during the case the GOVT decides to declare the gun Prohib Status, which wont affect the case since the arrest would have been made in this case before the new ruling. But you can def make your money back by then suing the PD for damages and wrongful detainment.
I think not being able to use 10-round AR pistol mags will be a deal-breaker for some people.
Lockhart has the worst customer service. So if crusader arms is worse that's a damn shame
If the mags a dimensionally similar to the STANAG mags and the only difference is the fins in the magwell of the crypto. Could you not remove the material from the magwell so it could accept P-mags?
You absolutely could
@@bats8888 At that point its alot more attractive using almost all AR parts, though they would sell alot better if they did a stripped upper and lower. That could open up the market back into the AR world. This may be more important then just an overpriced/ probably unreliable crusader
I agree. But I am not ready to full buy into this rifle until I see a NR FRT for it.
@@bats8888 I think thats a fair point to make as well. There's also the argument weather its worth the time and money if we looking at a conservative gov with a roll back on the OIC and C21. All and all i think 2g is way too high especially with no track record and most likely sub standard AR parts. if they hit a 1200-1400 price point they would fly off shelves
dremel it！
There is NOTHING stopping anyone from making a larger magazine.
Practically speaking, sure. Legally speaking, there is.
@@bats8888 3D printer go BRRRRRRRRR
If I was a Canadian citizen, I’d buy a CNC machine and some anodizing stuff and make AR lowers for everyone.
Maple syrup creates slippery tongues. Very few Canadians are chill like that, even in winter.
Kinda like playing chess with someone who is able to move the pieces wherever they want. The rcmp will declare it illegal and ask you to turn it in with no compensation. This is what our country has become
Proprietary magazine is a BIG deal breaker. Im sure someone with a 3d printer will fix this
The Raven Silver is not a problem at all. It is 100% false advertisement. Everyone who has received a “Silver” gun got shafted.
They are supposed to have a redesigned “smooth and simple” UPPER, LOWER, and MAGWELL.
They have been shipped out with the original “lightning cut” receivers with just a “silver” magwell.
False adverts, sure. But that's entirely aesthetic preference. The gold/plat lower and upper are higher quality (it was shipped with the simplified handguard). It's still a semi-auto DI 5.56 rifle with stanag mags that's cheaper than the Crytpo.
Lockharts biggest problem is production capacity. If that continue to be a problem, maybe this rifle overtakes it.
I am eager to see the reviews on this rifle, but I am going to be skeptic just because their Templar rifle was lacking.
Lets be honest about canadian gun quality...
At this price you can get an HK SL8. Aka civilisn G36...
ARs are not direct impingement. The carrier isn't acted on by gas impingement, but the bolt is a gas piston that is acted upon by my gasses. It's different, for sure.
This is useful using the exact same "DI" system as an AR
@@bats8888internal piston
I hope gun owners in Canada have ways around this crap. I hope there’s plenty of contraband to go around.
I love my raven have the silver model....but i really wish i could get a dry fire kit. Since the ravens bolt groupe match up.
Nice vid man. Thanks.
I wouldn't even THINK about dropping a pre-order on one of these UNTIL the RCMP Firearms Office gives it an FRT number. For the lesser price, yaaaa some may bite. To be able to use 10 round crossmags ... is it worth that, and the added expense to outfit a Lockhart to match the Crusader Crypto, I'd say probably. The big bonus with a Lockhart is that you should be able to do a caliber change with a new magwell, boltface and barrel, and now you have a 308 or 7.62x39. The Lockhart will also take AR10 style pistol mags ... so definite winner. I need to get a side hustle going, or come outa retirement and go back work !! Like Colion Noir says .... need money for pew pews !! hahaha !
Atleast with with this u get assured reliability and durability
Frt is for imports, you got the wrong info bud
Police use the FRT to make arrests and press charges.
Yes, you could win in court. But you have to fight it and there's also a good chance you lose. Based on recent court cases, you probably lose and all that comes with that.
wait for the gen 2 if you really want this. Not sure why they did this instead of a gen3 templar
How does this not fall under a ar15 derivative. And isnt a ar15 derivative restricted by definition (if it didnt exist when the oic was done its not prohibited, I believe). Please correct me as I must be missing something
How do people still ask these stupid questions, do you really not understand firearms at all?
If it stays legal, is because it does not share compatability with AR uppers and lowers. But we've seen guns like this, ATRS, get fucked anyway. We'll see what happens.
@@VA6OILthere were NR 'ARs' pre 2020 that were prohibited because they were an 'AR variant'. No idea how that can be seeing as they were NR and an AR was restricted by definition; so they weren't an AR but then became one for the OiC. They did the same thing to Mossberg .22s that looked vaguely like ARs but shared no parts compatibility other than furniture. The RCMP will change classification at the behest of the government without any technical justification. Either that or we aren't privy to their higher level thinking. I'm sure if Liberal leadership got wind of all the Canadian cope rifles they'd tell the RCMP to reclassify those too.
@@bats8888yeah, that's what they said about the Stag 10 & ATRS rifles. Then they went & changed the Canadian law comments & reclassified it to Banned.
@@VA6OIL reason I ask, is I have an m&p15-22. It is even less compatible with an ar15 then this firearm, but it still fell under derivative and was restricted, and is now prohibited with the OIC (even though the liberals said that no 22lrs were affected by the OIC)
I think you had USD selected on the Raven website?
It does say USD in the top corner, but it's just a quirk of their website. All the prices shown are actually in CAD.
Why would anyone live in California, NY or Canada.
Well for starters if you’re born in canada it’s not legal to just move to the United States lol
You offering to sponsor refugees from Canada?
@@Mark-bo5gz no, but your mom is Mark.
@@snapascrewdemand alyssum
@@Mark-bo5gza Canadian can't go to the stated and live there but yet there's many illegals with pre paid hotel rooms and credit cards straight chilling out in NYC, etc
It doesn't take AR mag and you can't swap upper or lower with AR, therefore it is not an AR ...
What’s does this mean for the Kodiac .223?
Absolutely nothing
It can take Stanang mags so I don't think anything will happen to it
Their going to release a new version that looks better but still performs like Gen 1 as per usual
@@worstcase519 Yup!! I have 2 of their rifles and no complaints.
Kodiak needs to make this platform to remain relevant imo. They haven’t dropped anything new in a while.
He's right about not pre-ordering this rifle! I pre-ordered the ATRS Modern Sporter when it first came out. Took over a year to get mine. Totally wasn't worth the wait!
Not to mention this could easily get banned with the stroke of a pen!
Proprietary mags is a huge let down. I’ll pass. Better off getting a Bren 2 on the used market.
I've stayed away from the non-restricted since the ban but looking at crypto recently i was thinking of getting a stripped upper and lower crypto to convert a AR safe queen into something i can use again. Not worried about the mag its not the biggest deal. But what else about the Raven is proprietary? Looks like the handguard is, what about the bolt? (it looks like ar15 to me) and is there anything else someone looking to get just upper/lower needs to look out for for the Raven? i got all excited as raven upper/lower is like 300 cheaper, but if you need the handguard its the same price....but if you need a bolt or this or that its now almost the cost of the whole rifle. I would buy a raven upper/lower right now if its parts compatible like the crypto and I didnt have to buy anything else for it. otherwise for ease of conversion looks like crypto upper/lower is the best option if you just want to be able to swap parts and get back out to the range with a AR like rifle again
Only proprietary parts on the Raven are bolt carrier, upper, and lower. Everything else is AR, including handguard. Their website should tell you everything you'd need to finish the builders kit.
@@bats8888 Thanks. I was looking and only saw they mentioned handguard was, i didn't see it on the bolt page. But i see other info on that builders kit page. however can tell you once i realized they are nickel and diming for bolt hold open and other minor features that shouldn't even be a question that it's standard...THEN $130 for a brass deflector....I could never go with this option out of principle. You might as well buy a completed rifle, this is not for someone like me. If i had no rifles and looking for one 1500-1600 (corrected - i see they are actually 18-1900) for a complete one is decent considering its non-restricted. But I want to spend at little as possible to use what I already have. Crypto is a lot for just and upper and lower but at least you are not being nickel and dimed, your just paying the "non-restricted tax" and you just swap stuff over minus the mag. at least with the mag, you can't complain because they are meeting C-21 with it, so its gets a pass (plus you can get around this because I don't think there is any magwell modification law? but could be wrong that's a question for Runkle)
@@bats8888 Just realizing that if you get a stripped lower you need to buy a magwell to attach at $250. i totally missed that and now looking at the stripped lower no idea how i missed that haha. that is crazy omg. there is literally no point to buying the parts to try do do a simple swap (coming from a cost perspective). now i see why the builders kit is so much it wasn't making sense to me at first lol. Almost 5 years into the ban, quality is not the biggest thing for me, being able to use again is. so looks like stripped upper/lower crypto and cutting/milling out lines in ar mags or milling the magwell is way to go if you want to do it as cheap as possible (if you own ARs and have the parts to swap)...assuming that doing one or both wont break current laws (i dont think cutting out lines would break current mag laws, but the magwell a different story.....Runkle would be a better person to ask lol)
@2Supra4U the problem with the crypto is that it doesn't have an FRT. So it could get banned overnight by the RCMP at any point. The Raven does have an FRT, so you'd be good.
But yes, legally, you can chage the mag well on any rifle. You just can't modify the mag itself.
@@bats8888 Don't worry about the FRT nonsense. FRT is required for import/export, its not required for something made in Canada. They don't have to apply for one. i knew this before i saw but If you haven't watch the video by code of arms with the guy from spectre/crusader arms, he answers all those internet Fudd questions and points lol. He actually answers the FRT question, along with some other points about the law, etc. People making issue with the mags, they don't realize that once all the c-21 laws come into place pinned mags and pistol mags will be illegal and all new guns will require proprietary mags. i don't see much being imported in the future... . 1K is a lot for what would be like 3-400 if it was an AR but after nearly 5 years and i never had interest in the expensive non restricted alternatives, but at this point 1K and I literally just change the upper and lower and you're back in business....and NO PAPERWORK or restricted firearms rules! lol
To be honest, at this point, I'm not willing to shell out $2K for a rifle that will likely be obsolete in 16 months (assuming the Tories win). I MIGHT consider a receiver/lower kit but if, and only if, it looks like Pierre Polievre snatches defeat from the jaws of victory (I'm looking at YOU Erin O'Toole!) I have enough AR parts to build out a rifle already.
>6061 aluminum
Nah, i'll stick with lockhart thanks. I'm sick of these low quality pot metal guns. I don't care if it uses AR carriers.
I won’t shoot anything with a 5 round mag. The Kodiak defense wk 180 556 has 10 round mags.
That’s fine but no manufacturer is allowed to produce a new gun that does what you’re asking for.
based video.
But is it reliable that might be the only thing that will make me buy this
Yes
So if I shouldn’t pre-order anything, that just leaves me with the SRV2 or the WK 180?
Serious question, what other options are there?
For Canadian stuff? WK180/181, WS MCR, Templar, SRV2, Sterling R18, and Raven.
Of course there are better rifles from Europe, but they're quite a bit more money.
@@bats8888 I really want to get the Raven, but it looks like pre-order only?
I think best option is to find a used one or one at a gun store. Try using arsenalforce(dot)ca to see if any sorres have em.
If you order through Lockhart, you will get it. But it may take a long time.
@@bats8888 ok, thanks for the advice!
I hate the double side mag. Just give me a 5rd mag
Cool design
I still affirm that without an FRT, it's not a risk I'm willing to take or show off.
I think the offerings from Kodiak and especially Sterling are going to be better.
I would go with the crypto over the raven simply because its all AR 15 parts apart from the receiver set. so unlike the Raven there are replacement bolt carriers and charging handles in abundance compared the ravens proprietary garbage. Plus with LT's past of shoddy QC (yes I know its just like all other Canadian gun companies) and inability to get in touch when there are problems make me not want to support them. On I side note I just think the Raven looks fucking ugly.
This is gonna piss Polly off 😂
dont know how future proof this is
It's future proof capability comes in the form of parts. All you would need is a stripper upper and lower from an AR if you have this.
If it stays legal but we don't get ARs back, this is the closest functionally to an AR.
It's not, as soon as PolySS & the rest of the gun control groups see what their policy changes have created they will bust a nut.
What is with the hexagonal(?) shoulder thing that goes up? It's ugly, and looke fragile.
I dont see how this is better than an atrs modern sporter. At least my MS has a forward assist and can take any ar mag
Wow, commie complaint.. imagine that. 🤮
you can literally just grind the magwell and it will accept stanag mags...
Typical AR magazines are too big, and most magazines replicate them. These mags can fit into AR platforms but AR platform magazines cannot fit into it because the are dimensionally too big
Wait guys so under bill c 21 just to make sure I’m getting this right ANY new rifles AFTER bill c 21 that are semi auto any new designs must only take proprietary mags that can only take 5 rounds ?
Any new semi-auto centre-fire rifles, yes.
@@bats8888 damn so if Pierre gets in hill revert the stupid bill and this thing on how the law is ritten can take 10 rounders ?
Kind of. The minimum we can expect is a repeal of C-21 and the May 2020 OIC, as he has stated that constantly.
That means we can once again make and import new rifles that take STANAG mags (aka 10 round pistol mags for 7.62x39 and 5.56/.223) as well as any PCC that uses pistol mags.
@@bats8888 if this rifle can take 10 rounders one day it’s game over for the ar180s lmao
If we get AR-15s back, it's over for basically every Canadian made rifle tbh
I'll wait till the next election
Is the Raven still legal?
Yes
The bill specifically says manufactured after the bill, therefore the raven is n banned, no?
Manufactured AND designed. So long as it was designed before, it can still be manufactured and sold.
Does the 308 raven have an FRT?
The Raven has an FRT for every mainstream caliber.
@@bats8888 beautiful. Wish they would get that new 556 upper receiver sent out and get the 308 rolling
The Crypto will kill the Raven Silver in the market…
is it safe to buy？
Personally, I wouldn't until we know there's an FRT. Too risky for me otherwise.
@@bats8888 sounds good, is there any chance to loose the law restrictions? like something banned before but legallized after in Canadian history?
Yes. If the Conservatives get a majority (which looks almost certain), there is a good chance we get our ARs back and maybe even undue the 90s bans.
Of course, nothing is guaranteed.
@@bats8888if crypto's magwell design is modifiable with some diy tool to make it accept stanag mags this gun looks promising for non competition usage. however if the gun law changes to let you modify the magwell to have 5/10rd detachable normal ar mag which also means they revoked the c21😂
Stick with my Siberian and 10 round mags thanks
If you’re gonna spend that much on a 5.56/.223 why not get a hk sl8
$2k for a neutered AR15, sad world
pls make 308. then i can get behind the proprietary mags 😂
Crusader arms is low quality. The charging handle in the Templar was held together by dental floss and bubble gum. Charge way too much
If it only holds 5 rds why bother.
Could someone explain to me how this isn’t illegal yet I’m dumb person terms?
1: Technically, because the receiver pins make it incompattwith AR uppers and lowers.
2: Because the RCMP hasn't ruled on it yet.
Who in hell thought calling that rifle “crypto” was a good idea!?! i won’t buy one just cause it is so stupid… wtf… geez
i bought templar from then its fuking heavy
Buy a Crypto it is excellent !!!
Kodiak and their colleagues being based as usual. I know they get a lot of shit on Reddit but this single company has done more to keep the shooting sport alive than the entire Canada guns sub and a few “pro gun” lobbyists.
That name is whack tho lol it sounds like a great idea on paper but the execution is just cringe
They’re taking advantage of the gun community in Canada actually cuz they know the market is small so they overprice they’re rifles
Do not pre-order anything
are all SKS aftermarket pinned mags to 5/30 5/35 and so on still ok? All of these laws have been driving me crazy. I'm sorry if this has already been answered but all of this garbage is ridiculous. Waaaay toooo much garbage and I'm forgetting some of the details. FFS.
Any gun that was designed before Dec 15, 2023 is legal to manufacture, sell, import, distribute, etc.
By default, SKS mags (detachable or fixed) have to be 5 rounds. But, you can get an adapter that takes 7.62x39 AR mags and then you can use 10 round XCR mags in an SKS.
Edit: Nothing with regard to pinning or mag capacity has been done yet.
@@bats8888 thanks for clearing that up. Cheers!
The SKS is probably the only semi automatic rifle in Canada that’s actually viewed as a rifle and not assault rifle by ignorant people
Yeah, but the AR platform is prohib by name under c71
1: It's not under C-71, it's under the May 2020 OIC.
2: While it is 99% AR-15, the receivers are not AR-15, so it should be legal
I’ll keep my tavor x95 thanks
Blackcreek SRV2 ♥️
Bye hunting season its going to be illegal
Raven isn't better, horror stories of bad support, people waiting months and months for their orders and the BCG has been skeletonized and is weak.
BCG issue was fixed a year ago, Gen 1 was too skeletonized.
Support is definitely hit or miss, but it seems way better than other Canadian manufacturers (except SBI).
Never pre order anything and their website literally says it takes months to get your order.
There is no forward assist either👀 🥺
Fun Fact the original AR 15 developed by Armalite in the 50's didn't have them, Eugene Stoner the Armalite Engineer / Inventor said they weren't needed, the US Army requested they be put on.
the crypto is stupid man
So is canada.
@VA6OIL so all of us are for letting them do whatever they want with our rights, doesnt it boil your blood?
what a joke
Stop advertising these overpriced shitty AR lites made by a shady company preying on desperate Canadians. The state of affairs is already bad and they only make things worse
I literally said to NOT buy this
Dude just buy this reciever set and build it with your own choice of ar parts. Geiselle, daniel, bcm.. etc all proven. It's not like the fkn upper and lower aluminum on the recievers themselves is going to fail lmao
2 grand for a crippled rifle.
After Hop’s review of the Crusader Arms AR180 on TFBTV I would probably never buy anything they sell. th-cam.com/video/eLS4lddJ74s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1SYiMdmmEHTiPms9
I’ve been quite happy with my Raven anyway. One thing though I wouldn’t say never buy a preorder. If you want to buy a gun or part from Lockhart that isn’t in stock you might be waiting be waiting even longer if you don’t preorder. My rifle arrived on time with part preorders sometimes it’s quick sometimes it’s slow. I can sympathize with the wait times though, it’s a small business in rural Vancouver Island that is likely dealing with huge demand of their products which require skilled people and expensive machinery to produce.