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As far as I am concerned, if a cop would not be charged for the use of force, then neither should the private citizen who is in the same situation. That's a pretty simple standard for me.
Flip side: the police should be charged in that scenario. The prosecutor may decide not to proceed ultimately, but it should go through a fact finding scenario, outside of the police deciding unilaterally.
In theory the state has a monopoly on the legal use of force in general to stop things like duelling and honour/revenge killings. What some of the "progressive" individuals who oppose police use of force don't seem to realize is that when public trust in police goes to zero, you have everyone acting as their own police, but with no judicial oversight, restraint or minimum use of force principle. It's way more dangerous and violent when permissiveness is given to criminals for crimes and punishment to law enforcement for just actions.
and alot of the times police have the advantage from the start with alot more of them then the suspect they even use swat teams, armored trucks, tear gas, helicopters, remote controlled vehicles and so much more to stop a threat. a law abiding citizen should have the same right to use force as the police do.
@@WyattEntertainments I agree, even more rights because we're paying taxes. Seems like police and politicians just do what ever the fvck they want and we get to pay their salary's.
That seems like an excellent standard. A cop is threatened with harm and they are justified with using deadly force.
I am Canadian.. If someone comes into my home uninvited i consider that a threat.. At that point the law means nothing to me.. What means something to me is the protection of my loved ones and i will do what ever i need to do.. Plain and simple..
Amen
@@Wandering77and they aren't even allowed guns...
Better having my wife and kids saying dad is in jail because he has protected us than he is a coward.
Agree 100%
same here, these laws are so ridiculous.....to me, the moment someone breaks into a home is the moment they lose any protection that the law would provide period. ESPECIALLY if there are women and children in the house
As a Canadian, I am DISGUSTED by some laws but that won't stop me from defending my loved ones.
im been rape by different pedo /groomer it a waste of time to report (im not the only victim none of us has reported it and those "men" have now their own wife/kids) if we did they would have got 4 month to maybe 2 years max! rapist dont get punish but the survivor has to say every details multiple time and been check (violate again by stranger for proof) and it get in your medical record ,my abortion i put not monetary ready an the doctor put me in high risk i was anorexic back then and a minor. abortion statistic is in majority false every other girl and women said they lied too on the reason why they did not keep it ,only 1 women that was in the abortion clinic was using it has contraception it was her 3 time oh and most of us where all christian too (im pagan now) 🤷🏻♀
Fuck the laws, you need to be an Outlaw then. Police aren't your friends.
what do you mean bigot ? your telling me your not okay with late night visits from random up and coming aspiring rap artists ? who then have more say over your home then you do , oh or are you mad about that if your away for more then 6 months someone else can legally take your property that you worked your entire life for ? perhaps your just too poor , you should own more then 1 home and if someone comes to your door demanding your wallet and daughter you should give them that and milk and cookies .... if not your racist and probably named karen
Don't vote liberal. This shouldn't be a political issue but it is. Liberals have never backed a bill that punishes crime.
You may think of such deadly force but, I say to you try reading the constitutional Act that was passed in 1982…….about deadly force and dealing with such deadly measures. This was then, when (Trudeau Sr) Pierre Elliot Trudeau…….Justins Trudeau’s dad was prime minister of Canada back in the day.
4 days after major surgery, while I was in bed on maximum pain killers. A caregiver who quit the previous day because I asked her to vacuum, made unauthorized entry into my home and was screaming at me and refused to leave. I managed to get up using my walker and tried to escort her to the door. She body slammed my hip (I had had hip replacement surgery) into the wall at least 4 times and then ran out the door yelling her finger was bleeding. I collapsed on the floor dialed 911 and when the officer arrived she informed me that I could be charged with assault because I got out of bed... I still suffer from this situation. Canadian laws protect the evil, not the innocent, and we have no authority to protect ourselves.
My RCMP simply charged me, then collected statements five hours later that had NO DATES on them. You couldn't tell if the incidents had occured over 2 years, 2 months, or 2 days. The Court accepted them without oversight or assessment. So did my lawyer. 17 grand later and at least he and his nut case wife have been evicted, hope they will be "deported" back to their home province.
Wow!! Curious how this played out and are you ok? Seems Justin is making it harder for Canadians to protect themselves. To borrow a phrase from our neighbours to south....'We the people' need to throw that asshole out on his ass.
Hope all is well with you and your hip.
When I was young and in the Canadian infantry, I was taught two things: 1. Reasonable force vs. unreasonable force; and, 2. "It's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six."
Brilliant quote
Trudeau is the poster boy for WEF along with half of his cabinet.
It shouldn't even be a thing that is a lengthy court process. Criminals are given far too much leniency these days while at the same time the average law abiding citizens get extreme authoritative rule. We don't need a make my day law here, we need a Fuck around and find out law here.
dead people have a hard time telling their story in court as well:)
@@dorianmode69drug dealers people caught with prohib and restricted firearms are being let out of jail in no time maybey do 3 to 6 months than there let out with restrictions they do not follow.
We need castle doctrine in Canada. Canada is getting dangerous and Canadians should have the right to protect their family and property. A criminal loses their right to life the moment they break into the home.
Exactly correct. Is someone in their own home supposed to assume that the intruder will not harm or kill them? Definately not! They must assume the worst. They, as laid down in bill C26 be enabled under the law to defend themselves, their loved ones, legal visitors and their possessions. By using deadly force if they judge it to be necessary. This is a split second decision. Not a case of hind sight debate.
@@keithdurose7057 Absolutely. If they come in unarmed then that's one thing. There is more leeway to consider options. But if they have a deadly weapon, delaying even a moment could mean the end of you and your family. That is how you need to think to give yourself the best chance of survival. Assuming what some stranger might do, or not do, with a knife in their hand is ridiculous. You walk into someone's house, that is a ballsy move. Whatever happens to that person after making the decision to do so, I'm completely fine with it. A young kid without a weapon, that's one thing, but if the threat is completely clear and obvious (big guy with a knife) then whatever happens to that person I'm good with it.
I agree wholeheartedly
The fiberal government has brought in free the criminals legislation. We need to all fight against this legislation they keep pushing.
I would use the word "forfeit" instead of loses.
That puts the responsibility entirely on the criminal.
As a Canadian, I have a wife and four kids. I will be using all the force I have
damn right
I'm with you on your opinion.
So if an unarmed 13 yr old breaks in looking for cash or an iphone, as happened to me, you will gun him down?
moved to Florida. There is a saying here with pew pew owners: "I'd rather be judged by 12, than be carried by 6" . When my American friends asked me about this Toronto clown about leaving the keys at the front door, I shrink.
Have fun in jail
As a Canadian if anyone I do not know enters my home in the middle of the night I consider them a threat to my life. It is sad when the justice system will ALWAYS PROTECT THE CRIMINALS and prosecute the honest law abiding citizens.
I agree. Some of these laws need to be changed. How can we as Canadians effect these changes. Voting doesn't seem to help as both parties have done nothing in the past. The one good thing about social media is that people can come together and brainstorm ideas (however I do notice most people complain without offering solutions and maybe this has to change).
In some states, you can even claim self defense as an adult who physically attack kids who hurt them first as self defense and even attack back as retaliation which isnt allowed in most of canada.
If someone breaks into my house, I'm not waiting to determine the level of threat.
Amen
No kidding...
I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
@@jamesharris184 Because I would rather say what I think than live in fear of a government that hates its citizens...
@@jamesharris184 So be it. I think silence is what has put us in jeopardy.
In Canada, someone you don't know can walk into your home and ruin your life and YOU will be prosecuted more heavily than they would.
That's our "justice system" in a nutshell...
In Canada you have a right to defend yourself, just be sure its reasonable.
@@nogreatreset8506 There shouldn't be a "reasonable force" to protect your family, your home and yourself from a home invader! If a person enters a house, that person is already a threat to the safety of the residents and they should have the right to use any means to "eliminate" that threat.
Maybe the law should be sued for predatory practices against its citizens
@auntysocialist Thats where the 1 off the wife said to throw out because it doesnt match comes in handy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We have to put up with insane self defense laws like that here in the U.K aswell.
You know something is wrong if the same M.Ps who don't want us to be able to defend ourselves or our families... But have a squad of armed police protecting THEM at all times.
I had a guy break into my bedroom as I slept. This was the second time. He was a friend of my brother. After the first time, I kept a butcher knife next to my bed. So when I woke up hearing my screen being cut with a knife, I was terrified, as my back was facing the window. I reached down quickly & quietly to grab the knife as he was crawling in. I couldn’t find it. I quickly flipped around to face the intruder in the dark. That’s when he spoke & identified himself. He was drunk & at that point fear turned to anger. I told him to get the f out & he tried to explain himself. Which I got more forceful telling him to leave. He left & was charged. I now have a fear of being home invaded while I sleep & I wake up to any noise. I had to move out of the city, to find a quiet place & keep a machete next to my bed. I will not be a victim of any man or our broken corrupt legal system. Especially because my senior mom lives with me. I will protect myself & her at all costs. ❤ I love my mom.
Cane Corso, Presa Canario, Bull Mastif, many big dog breeds that will stop anybody in the tracks just from hearing the bark. Plus you have a loyal companion for life, big dogs like to cuddle and protect with their lives who there loyal to.
@@goonsandmansions thank you
What kind of fucked up, sick society prevents you from having and using a gun to defend yourself from a person like that?
Only say one thing to the police ….
🇺🇸🇨🇦 I feared for my life !!!
Find, train and enjoy a German Shepherd Dog. The navy seal who took out ol’ bin hidin’ uses Belgians in ops but for home and family chose the GSD because as he says...they are chill until they shouldn’t be. They have extremely good judgement.
We need to change the law that protects the criminals and charges the victims.
Who will change that stupid laws?Those guttles and spinless politicians with 15 RCMP guarding their butts?If you believe that you must be brainless.
“A gun in your hand is better than 1000 cops on the phone.”
Agree
Ah yes, that old chestnut.
You and I are best friends now after that statement. 😅
Bad guys are more protected than a law abiding citizen...?
@@warlitousares1839 Short answer, yes.
In Canada, you're better off just not reporting it and hiding whats left of the intruders.
When you get charged for defending yourself or you get sued because someone broke in and hurt themselves, the system is absolutely broken
Oh definitely it is
Yup. Every home should have a wood chipper.
not broken... CORRUPT
I own a cabin in northwestern Ontario. There’s thousands of acres for me to hide something I never wish to be found. I wouldn’t recommend anyone to cause any amount of trouble in my neck of the woods. All I want is to be left alone but as a wise man once said, it’s better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.
@@r.trainer3706The animals would take care of it overnight
For anyone wondering, the charges against the man he is talking about were dropped.
Loss of wages?
Legal fees?
Restrictions (travel)?
Bail restriction?
Apply to the crown to errase charges?
It's not like you go to court the next day and it all goes away.
It's a messy, expensive, stressful, and damaging process.
I was wondering how I could find the outcome. Thank you
I don't know the gun laws in Canada, but from what you said, the ammo and gun must be stored in different locations and the gun must have a trigger lock. I cannot imagine a firearm being rendered more useless. It seems clear that the Canadian government wants it citizens at a disadvantage when presented with a threat. The criminals also know the rules and expect law abiding citizens to comply. Advantage criminal.
"I cannot imagine a firearm being rendered more useless." THAT is the intent of Canadian Firearms law !!!!
You certainly would not want to know……..what the gun laws in Canada……….Evil!!
Gun safe. Trigger lock won't prevent the gun from being stolen. Transport must be from the range directly to home: no Tim Hortons stop. A Calgary cop had a 6,000 sniper rifle in what looked like a music case and stopped at an Asian restaurent. They've never found the gun!!!
@@user-ov4mk9ox8y that's only for handguns, for long guns you can take a stop as long as the guns are locked in a compartment (truck cab or car trunk) and they are out of sight with no ammo relatively available
Guns and ammo can be stored together. Trigger lock you need to have on all firearms, displayed or inside a gun safe.
Existing Canadian Laws are the reason crime is skyrocketing here. We need protection Laws like our US cousins.
No, it's the monetary system that crime is skyrocketing in Canada. Crime is skyrocketing in the US too.
Notice you have zero support for your vexingly stupid comment?
🤡🤣
Gun rights
Our WEF/NDP/Liberal government doesn’t want that
Crime in the US seems to be rising in blue states or blue cities within red states.
Case in point....Illinois has some of the tightest gun and self-defense laws in the US and the highest rate of gun violence.
I accept my government doesn't care about us.
I also accept the consequences for whatever actions I will take to preserve and protect myself, my loved ones, or my property.
Amen
Freedom is the willingness to do what one ought to do. It is not something that a government can give, you have to just have it.
JT literally said no one in Canada has the right to use a gun to protect themselves. It's ridiculous and he needs a trip to the train station. Its so infuriating listening to our government and people these days that are literally walking the rest of us off a cliff.
@husher5142 politicians say a lot of things.
Who cares, our country isn't run by decree.
@@SuperballsSupervidsOnYTYou sure about that atm? Because it sure seems like it is. From mandatory vaxes to protests and ideological de-banking etc.
The instant someone breaks into your home all bets are off. You deserve to defend yourself however you deem appropriate , period !
“I was afraid for my life.”
Remember that phrase and then ask to call your lawyer and don’t say anything else to the police.
The Canadian criminal code protects criminals more than the victims. That must change.
Do say nothing and get a good lawyer.
Absolutely! I can’t stress enough that when someone is arrested that the only thing they tell the police is that they want a lawyer. That’s it.
Call 911
Call your lawyer
Call Domino's... it might be a while before the police arrive, and you're probably hungry from all the excitement 😄
@@pierrehamel4424 that’s pretty Fukin brutal where a man is defending his family from intruders and we are the ones who have to think about the law and how it affects our choices when we hear someone running up the stairs and have to pay a lawyer and possibly go to jail all because some mfer chose to break into YOUR home that night! Canadian laws are a joke. Look what trudeau is getting away with!
I think it’s very reasonable to believe you are in danger when someone is in your home.
If someones not meant to be in my home, They will be taking a fucking nap on the floor.
The premise is it isn't "your" home. It belongs to the King and isn't yours to defend.
@@Tom-yo7zf That's Serfdom
@@Tom-yo7zfthen y are we having to pay a mortgage and taxes for something we don't own? Then i want every dime back that i have had to pay all my adult life. WTH 😤
@@luddity yes!
Step 1 - Disable intruder.
Step 2 - Clean up mess.
Step 3 - Move body to bad part of town.
Step 4 - What altercation? Never seen him before.
there are cameras everywhere bud, its not 1930 anymore, plus then if you get caught it will most likely be a murder charge rather than maybe being in trouble for defending vs a intruder...
The results came back on this situation and the milton man was acquitted. Honestly this is the stupidest law ever that we as home owners have to wait until the person breaking into your home escalates their advances... If someone is outside your home trying to break into your car its understandable that you can't just run outside and start attacking the person, they are clearly not trying to hurt someone by being outside. But lets be honest here, if someone breaks into your home KNOWING that you are inside, for me it means the person is willing to hurt someone by taking that chance. What am i supposed to do if i see a person in my house at 3am? Ask him if he wants a coffee first? and hope that he doesn't pull a gun on me? I have 2 young kids, the idea that i have to wait until the intruder does something to be able to escalate the situation is absolutely ridiculous... I know chances are that you'd get charged and then it would go to court for their decision and chances are you will get acquitted like this man, however the law should just be clear. It will make intruders think twice before going into a home knowing that the law protects homeowners fully in these situations. lets be honest, someone comes into your home, it means their willing to be violent if needed. You can argue that they are drugs and dont know what their doing which is honestly an even more dangerous intruder as they are unstable and unpredictable. There is just no situation in which this isn't a direct threat or danger to homeowners.
Do you think a losing car that you paid interest for is not hurting the individual???
Here's the thing with that, i'm all for defending all my property including my car. The problem is when you approach somebody who is stealing your property, you have no idea where it will escalate too. You don't what kind of weapon they may have, etc. Obviously nobody wants their car broken into or stolen, but if i am confronting a stranger with the unknown that the situation could escalate, you want to think twice. I'm willing to take that chance and i would go outside to confront because i genuinely believe that most car thief's aren't looking to hurt someone. I've actually caught someone riffling through my car before, and upon confronting them they just dropped everything and ran away. I will not just right away start attacking a car thief and then try and claim self defense... It's so different when someone is in your home honestly. They know your there, they are coming into your house knowing that there is a chance they will come in confrontation with you and depending on where you come from, they may not have a way out and you just never know where it can go to.. If i see someone in my home, my instant reaction will be so much more different, and i just believe at the bare minimum the law should fully protect home owners in home invasion cases. I would honestly even support driveway too, but i think that it would be harder to justify meanwhile the home invasion one almost seems like a no brainer. @@JT-bt6jy
@@anthonykirkish3071 you are missing the point and this bleeding heart syndrome lead to these laws... there is such a thing as deterrence, meaning that guy trying to break into your car will do it to others too if nobody stands up against them, thus hurting the whole of society. They must be confronted to send the message that this is not something that this society will allow and there will be immediate and stiff retaliation against criminality and the attack against the sanctity of people's property. Next time it will be your home...
You have to understand that it is THE PROCESS of having to defend yourself in court and all of the preceding legalities that are the punishment. In order to defend yourself you have to employ a lawyer, that is not cheap and can financially ruin you. Even if you are found not guilty, you have been subjected to the legal process, which is VERY EXPENSIVE. Even if the charges are dropped before getting to court because the crown counsel determines that it is in the public interest, you are still on the hook for your legal costs to that point. The system is NOT beneficial to those who are victims of having to defend themselves or others and who find themselves caught up in the legal system as a result. It has to change !!!
@thegatekeeper715 totally agree. I wonder if that boy was able to sue for that but probably not... so sad
We need clearer more straightforward laws like they do in the USA. When I was 16 years old (this was in the 1970’s) I was home alone while my mother was on a medico- legal course in Toronto. The house was in the Alberta countryside about 35 minutes east of Edmonton. This man started banging on the doors and windows at 3 a.m. and I was terrified. I had a big dog which the guy had stabbed outside. I called RCMP and then grabbed a baseball bat. He did break in and I hit him several times with the bat and fractured his skull, one of his arms and shoulder. The police were going to arrest and charge ME, a terrified, blubbering 16 year old girl, with aggravated assault. In the end I wasn’t arrested or taken to the station because a friend of my mothers, a homicide detective in the nearby city of Edmonton, whose number I had been given in case of emergency while my mother was away, drove out to the house when I called him and told them not to be “ridiculous”. He pointed out that the man was obviously intending harm as he’d attacked the dog and then broken the glass in a window and climbed through it with a knife in his hand. They said I might still be arrested but for the moment I wouldn’t be taken in. As it turned out the man who broke in was wanted in Vancouver, Kelowna and Calgary for aggravated assault and rape as well as for a murder in Abbotsford, BC. There was no more talk of charges being laid against me after that. I mean I was terrified and quite frankly only remember hitting this ass once although apparently I clubbed him several times. The adrenaline is spiking and time does really weird things when you’re that scared. I don’t remember half of what happened between the time I swung the bat the first time and the time the RCMP appeared. To this day I’m still confused as to what is considered “reasonable force”. We desperately need clear and straightforward laws setting out what our rights are if someone invades our home which are supposed to be our safe place. We should be allowed to defend ourselves in our own homes without fearing that we’re the ones who will end up in jail. The perpetrators of crimes in this country have more rights than the victims in my opinion. If you’re going to invade someone’s home then you should know there might be consequences delivered by the people living there. By the way, our wonderful dog survived five stab wounds and lived to 14 years of age.
Glad you made it out okay (and your beloved dog), you were very brave and I'd be so proud if you were my daughter! Disgusting what the cops tried to put you through! Stay safe!
You’ve probably got PTSD from that horrible experience.
Wow, I had no idea that these laws go way back. Dang! I really do need to stay in America when I can go back lmfao.
I am glad that you were courageous enough to react in a way.....able to defend yourself! at such young age. GOOD ON YOU!!! and your dog!!!
Your actions need to be normalized, glorified and commended. If would be thugs, who are brazzen enough to enter another man's home, with malice, knew that the owner was armed and trained ... and that the home was fitted with a protection system (Strategic, Ai controlled, firearms in the walls etc.) do we think that the criminal involved would have been as keen to enter the home with intent ??? Just a thought ...
Oh yeah ... thank god your dog survived.
"Ottawa has twisted laws to rob rural Canadians of the right to self defense in life or death situations when a police response could be hours away. When I advised Albertans to'shoot, shovel and shut up', I wasn't just telling them how to deal with a sick cow." -Hon. Ralph Klein
According to the police, the only thing you can do when someone breaks in your houses let them do whatever they want and wait for police to arrive because if someone is threatening your mother, or deciding to steal your personal property, you have to let them do whatever they want until the cops show up because if you decide to fend yourself or your family you get charged but there’s only one problem with that most Canadians are willing to break the law to defend their personal property and the family because if someone broke into my house, I would gladly beat them till the police officers arrive and have to pull me off of his limp corpse because they decided to break into my fucking home and threaten my fucking family and take my fucking property. You’re risking your own goddamn life with that shit, and I am afraid to go to jail to defend my family
Completely keeping quiet about killing someone is damn near impossible for people who aren't psychopaths. Your conscience bears down on you and nags at you like a woman until you finally snap and have to confess to someone or you go insane.
That's why psychopaths refer to people with a conscience as "The Weak." On the other hand, psychopaths blab too so they're not quite so high and mighty either :)
Speaking of Ralph Klein, that's gotta be one of the more badass things a politician in Canada has ever said. Not to mention one of the funniest :)
@@devilsoffspring5519Nope, Im protecting my wife and myself from heinous acts, my conscience would be clear.
@@Mr.Canuck wife n kids for me
King Ralph!
"he broke into my house and committed suicide using my gun........... what a weird guy hehehe"
This happened to myself.... 4 armed teenagers attacked me on a Sunday morning. I was beaten for (over 45 minutes), phone lines were cut. They were ALL ARMED with kitchen knives. I was sleeping in my room when they attacked.
They only got 3 and half years....F*cking Canada. I am now stuck with PTSD because of this. It's not right... It gives Criminals a "Free ride" to commit these acts. While, we are in our homes like "sitting ducks" without a move to make if they make entry.
This country NEEDS a BIG, Complete OVERHAUL.
We need a stand your ground law in Canada. Also, the police and crown should be held accountable when they lay charges in self-defense cases. If someone breaks into your house you don't necessarily know if they are armed, what drugs they may be on, how strong they are, or how well they can fight. I've spent 30 yrs in law enforcement, and I've seen some small men that can really fight. Most importantly, you don't know that person's intentions.
Thank you for your service, fobaldred. I bet if a court judge's home was broken into and the judge severely injured the intruder, no charges would be laid.
exactly, how are you supposed to know their ability's or if they are armed. but even more how are you supposed to know their intentions, they may be a killer wanting to commit harm and now your supposed to wait till they attack you before you can decide you need to defend yourself? it's bloody ridiculous, the minute someone breaks into your home, especially if they are armed with a weapon, that should enough to be able to use force, and deadly force if the person does not turn and run away when you tell them you have a firearm and if they advance towards you your going to shoot.
Problem is that law enforcement while active will charge an innocent home owner and then after retirement say what you say, we need active law enforcement to do what is right when active, to say it later its just an opinion and those are like butt holes everyone has one
@hunter5369 I never said I was retired. Also my branch has nothing to do with street policing. I do have extensive training in firearms and self defence, including the legal authorities for defending one's self. The problem I have is that with a couple exceptions the justification for using force is the same for civilians as it is for law enforcement. However the analysis after the fact isn't evenly applied. The problem is that the mentality of lay charges and let the courts sort it out needs to be eradicated. It isn't right for someone to have the reputation, life, and finances shredded while their case grinds through the courts, often for years. If someone is charged in what is a reasonably obvious case of self defense, upon acquittal, they should automatically receive full compensation for legal fees, lost income and damages.
@@davepark1827 Agreed, Dave! This whole legal system stinks of Trudeau contamination form the past.
im from quebec, and i did time for self defense. the case took 7 years to come to an end and after thousands and thousands of dollars only to be found guilty. i was given 18 months but only did 4. the officials in there couldnt believe that i was there in the first place, neither did the parole board wich is probly why they let me out so early. but even still, my grandmother died of an aneurysim on christmas day and my mother suffered from a massive stroke 2 weeks later. i was stuck in there, couldnt do nothing. the self defense laws are to limiting in canada.
I'm sorry to hear that, and it shouldn't be that way. What were the circumstances of the situation that landed you there?
@@jonnymac8925 i could go into it but that would require i type in a massive wall of text. But basically its lime this. In canada you need to adhete to 3 "rule" in order to use the right to defend yourself.
1: you need to have been illegally attacked(whatever the hell that means)
2:you need to be 100% sure that your attacker will continue the attack
3: the force you use needs to be equivalent to the force your attacker uses.
Wich makes no sense since anybody who attacks you for nothing ia obviously doing so illegally. And to use only the equivalent force that your attacker uses makes even less sense. You have to be able to stop your attacker completetly to ensure your own safety so rule 3 goes right out the window. Now obviously if someone just pushed you thats no reason to stab them 37 times but still...anyway, the judge said that the force i used was too much compared to my attackers so while i had rules 1 and 2 covered rule 3 wasnt. So i was found guilty.
@@CelicAWD And there were multiple attackers? Surely their combined force was equal. Unfortunate the judge seemed to favour the criminals.
@@BenWeeks-ca no there was only one attacker. Although i did have to deal with his friends verbally they got the message, he didnt, and i only hit him once. I spent the better part of 20 minutes trying to warn him and defuse the situation but he just kept coming. I can see why the judge took his side seeing as his wounds were severe but its not like i planned any of this and its not like you have the time or presence of mind to mesure carufully how hard you hit somebody while your being attacked, wich is something my lawyer kept trying to explain but the judge wasnt having it. I wouldnt have minded getting found guilty but time served or even house arrest. I lost my appartement, one of my cars and had my whole life uprooted because of that guys actions. Point is real life isnt the movies, people get hurt, and the system isnt designed to "understand" you unsless your a minor, a woman or an elderly person.
@@CelicAWD 1: you need to have been illegally attacked(whatever the hell that means) - Are there legal attacks? What the hell does that mean, an attack is an attack!
2:you need to be 100% sure that your attacker will continue the attack. - Makes sense, if he tries to run away no need to attack. If he refuses to back off then he is continuing the attack.
3: the force you use needs to be equivalent to the force your attacker uses. - This is where this law falls flat on its face and needs to be rewritten. The force that you use should be sufficient to stop your attacker. PERIOD! The law is two sided here. If you're a police officer and someone attacks you and they die as a result of that attack, too bad for them. What if the attacker is drugged out of their mind? What if the attacker is psychotic? Far too many variables to allow that law to remain as it is!
Everyone has the right to self defense! We don't get our rights from politicians! We are born with them!!!
Thanks for sharing Sir…God Bless You!
I had some people break into my garage and I called the police. I asked what I would be allowed to do to defend my property… he said “call the police”… I replied, “I’ve got a wife and three kids in this house, if men break in my first priority is to protect them”. He told me “if you have the option to get away, like out the back door, or if you’re upstairs you can lock yourself in the bathroom or bedroom, then you need to take those options and then call the police. If you engage with the perpetrators when you could have backed away, we will charge you”… I couldn’t believe it. “Even if it’s in my own house and they broke in… I’m not allowed to stop them, protect my property and family” I said… he responded, “it our job to protect your family, not yours”… I love Canada, my family has been here for over 258 years… but it’s disgrace that our laws are so worse than Americas. And yea, some states don’t have stand your ground laws or last castle doctrines, but they have better free speech protection and more ways to keep yourself and family safe… not to mention our national media is subsidized by the federal government and oil companies like Irving Oil own local media. I used to see people get so excited when they paid off their mortgage… then I grew up and realized you don’t ever really own anything. That house that’s paid off is on government land you’re renting… and you want to leave extra stuff to your family, prepare to pay the tax. Just remember that if someone breaks into your house you better not defend yourself, because the courts will argue your force wasn’t reasonable and you’ll be in jail next to the thief
But they will unalive you for a burned tail light and vocal resistence,.
….except the thief will be out in two weeks and you’ll be there for 20 years.
Our cops can't even protect themselves. I'll take care of it my way and noone else needs to be bothered or know about it
Said too much already
Supreme court has held that you do not have a duty to retreat in your own home. So stand your ground, etc... You still have to use reasonable force. And while retreating may be impractical (kids won't make it because they are upstairs), it can still be the best option (unless unknown accomplices outside).
@@robertdeen8741Spot on. And they know it themselves.
Have the perpetrator fill out a questionnaire at the door so you can determine your appropriate coarse of action.
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Services Canada has the forms 😂
Exactly my point
And if they are aboriginal you have to remember you stole their land, so they have a right to come in your home and do as they please.
your course of action my not be coarse under Criminal Code.
Very timely and topical. I work for lawyers on use of force matters.
If I could add, articulation at the scene is perhaps the single most neglected component and rarely discussed.
The initial statement to the responding police can often determine the direction of the case.
As a former use of force police instructor, this area "articulation" is always revisited during annual training.
We also discuss tactical concerns, environmental, geographic, weapon systems, abilities of all parties, potential for other threats...and related impact factors that formulate an immediate action plan.
Additionally, the recent statement by police regarding the leaving of keys by the door due to the prolific issue of home invasions must now be considered by police, courts, and property owners.
Great discussion points...most people are good and honest, and therefore require training and awareness in this confusing area.
as a lawyer aid your advice should be dont talk to the police aside from name and address. next sentence should be i want to speak to a lawyer. never talk to the police if you are being arrested. unless you are a lawyer or a criminal mastermind anything you say likely wont help your case
Hindsight proportional force is such a funny concept 😂😂😂.
We had a discussion about this a few months ago, and I decided that if I were charged for defending my person, and I was charged, I would be filing a civil case against the police for not protecting me in a timely manner, which required me to defend myself. If they don't want me to defend myself, then post an officer on the street outside my home.
Check the caselaw first, pal. You may be disappointed to find that litigation against government agents like police often fails.
Often, but some have been successful @@marktwain368
The police are not legally obligated to protect you.
Agreed! When your RIGHT to self defence is taken away and GIVEN to the police they assune that liability!!!! SUE the fck out of the police every time they dont fullfill thwir duty! OR give us Castle Law!
Unfortunately that has already been shot down (no pun intended) because the courts in so many instances and in different scenario situations have declared that limited manpower in policing means that the police cannot physically be everywhere all at the same time, and considering that they do proactive patrolling and respond to calls for assistance as soon as they can, considering manpower restrictions, the system in place is "reasonable" ......... There we have that vague word yet again.
Better to be judged by 12 then buried by 6. There is no such thing as "reasonable force" you never go into a "fair fight" unless you want to die.
Criminals should realize that they never break into someone's home unless they want to die... as a tax payer I don't want to pay for these people!
The only fair fights are ones done in Gyms, Boxing Rings, Cage Fights, Backyard Scarp beefs between two people.
Being Attacked in the street on your own home is not a Fight but some crazy evil person trying to harm or kill you.
It goes. Carried by six. Not buried
@@TheRonald6524 carried by six to the burial site so to be buried because you dead.
excactly!....exactly man.
Informative and accessible. Thanks, Kruse Law!
We need Stand-your-ground law in Canada. Call your MP, start a petition asap.
This is great! Would love to see a video on the differences between Canadian and American laws for when you get pulled over.
Let me guess, in Canada you must let the criminal have anything they want so as Not to escalate things!
yes
We need castle doctrine... Someone is braking in? How are you supposed to know their intention? What was their right to be breaking into your house?
It all stems from our failed liberal communist governments handling of, welfare, massive immigration, drugs etc etc etc. Crime in only going up.
Anyone who actually believes that should be treated no differently then the criminals they're defending
In short yes! God bless the USA!
pretty much, Im from nova Scotia. I know many cases of people being charged for self defence in their homes
Anyone in your home is a deadly threat. They don't need to be armed. And if they are, that just amplifies the danger.
This country is so dumb man.
Seems like for Canadian law, you should sit down and discuss with the intruder what their intentions are, if they are armed, if they intend to use force or weapons or pick up anything in your house and use it against you. Then you can decide what type of defence you can use to "equal" the force so that you can go punch for punch, or blow for blow, or shot for shot... perhaps a dual would be in order and this is where the law came from. Agree on how many paces, turn and shoot. A gentleman's dispute. Or perhaps you can match knives then on the word "go" you could see who wins the day. If you win, you are law abiding and protected with equal force, the charges that will be placed on you will be cleared eventually. If the intruder wins, they get to plunder your home and family, and they used the same force of you so perhaps a "trespassing" charge or something to steer them into better decisions in the future.
I live in Ontario, took my restricted firearms course and shortly thereafter our government took away my right to purchase a handgun, I would really like to know that I have that protection there should I need it. Thank you for the great information on this tricky subject.
When Jessy Ventura was governor of Michigan , I believe, he said " We don't call 911" or something to that effect. Implying they take care of themselves...and the intruder suffers the consequences for an unlawful act. How simple, how cost effective !
RCMP are there to keep the tax paying law abiding citizens in line.
Well said.
Royal Canadian mounted pedo protectors
Truer words were never spoken@@nunyabeezwax1929
Facts,..
Canada's own paramilitary police force with virtually unlimited power of search, seizure and arrest. Sounds like Russia, eh?
I new this man that had a variety store, he had been robbed a number of times when the store was closed, so fed up with losing money he bought a guard dog and left him in the store while it was closed. Sure enough on one night the criminal broke into the store to steal some cigarettes and the dog did his job, by the time the owner got to the dog to call him off, the dog ripped off a good portion of the mans face, then court time came, the criminal got awarded 140,000 in damages and the store owner phoned his family said good-bye and shot himself in the head, I talked to his daughter after the fact and she said the courts emptied what he worked a lifetime for and he just gave up, this is a true story, the criminal got 2 years less a day. He was a nice old man and I will miss him.
That's terrible.
@@smartsurvival2605 Now we have a bigger problem to deal with, as our gov. brings in 1 million people into our country every year now without the support systems to take care of them, also taxing our services to the limits, we will go into a crisis situation very shortly now, when these migrants and refugees find out that they have not got what they need to support themselves, what do you think that they are going to do ? They will take what they want anyway they can get it, but there are also other problems as well, just type in the great taking and it will tell you all, like what this great reset is and how its going to take your wealth, rights, freedoms and quality of life away from you. This is a prediction by a third party but I feel that we have to pay attention to it because its seems to be happening now as I speak as our gov. continues to take away our wealth with his increasing carbon taxes coming on April 1 2024, one last thing, the best way to protect your wealth against a falling dollar is to have hard assets like gold and silver, that is all be safe and aware and if you feel like it spread the word to others, good day.
You are absolutely accurate with your story.>>>I use to be a cop in Northern Ontario, and a small garage owner had many break-ins, and knowing that he had several german sheppards at his rural property, I suggested to the mechanic that perhaps the owner should leave one of his dogs in the garage overnight, and the mechanic advised me that the owner had spoken to one of our detecive's and was told that if the dog bit the intruder, that they could be sued.>>>I went back to the office and spoke with a different detective, and I was advised that the owner could be sued if his dog bit the intruder in a break-in. >>>>Unbelievable, but true.
@@conradmorin1891 Where I live the homeless situation has gone up 1000%. My sister went to get her weekly bottle of wine at the LCBO and when she came out of the store was surrounded by homeless people, she said what do you want, they said money, cigarettes and water, she gave them what they wanted because she feared that they would just take it off of her anyway. I am sure that some of these people are not from here, meaning they are immigrants or migrants new to our country and are just about on every street corner now looking for money. Our neighbourhood is not a safe area anymore to live in or walk in thanks to our gov. We have knife attacks on a regular basis now and we can do nothing about it.
Canada does not have a "My home is my castle" No property protection rights
IMO This must change !
You can certainly blame this issue on “RIGHTS” to “The Charter Of Rights And Freedoms Act of 1982”. When then Trudeau Sr………
Perrie Eliot Trudeau was Prime Minister and he had brought in this Act that gives All “ EQUAL” rights to all…….Canadians, no matter what they have done…..Bad criminals and law abiding citizens.
Great info thank you. Im really surprised a person busting in your house while you're sleeping isn't immediately, "fear for life".
If the laws in Canada were changed to protect it's citizens and the criminals knew that if you break into someone's house that ANY force could be used against them, alot of this type of activity will be diverted. Texas is a great example of a State that allows you to defend yourself and your property, according to level of threat. The "Stand your ground"" law.
Have you actually looked at the crime stats between the two places?
Ya great example, cause crime in the US (Texas included) is so low. Gun nutters will say anything to be able to carry firearms in Canada.
There are very very few next to none break ins with guns in Canada because ot the gun laws.
I don't think Canada should ever take criminal advice from the United States lol. Have you actually looked at the statistics between the two countries or even your own? In 2020 Texas was the 18th state or around there on the list for burglaries that year...the fact that Michigan, New Jersey, and New York were way down on the list compared to Texas tells me that we definitely should not take it as a "great example" .
A person’s home is sacrosanct and inviolable. If someone breaks in whether armed or not they should be at risk of death 💀 no question about it. The intruders could get a butcher knife from your kitchen or pick up an object to slice your throat open with lifeblood pouring down your arms or bludgeon you cracking your skull open with no hope of survival.
I swear I was just thinking about this situation earlier this morning. As an American living in Canada, I am not comfortable with this particular law. No person/government agency is going to tell me how much force I can use to protect myself and my family from an intruder because They are not there in tgat moment. I'll deal with it after. Because it's so ambiguous, there should be no "Grey" areas. Black and white, he invaded my home, he deserves what's coming to him.
You should go and read the actual law.
The old law, which Kruse cites, was a mess. The new law is much better written.
Also look at all the acquittals for self-defense shootings.
Most times the process is the punishment, but there are inexpensive insurance policies for that.
@@SuperballsSupervidsOnYT So what is the new law, hide in a room while dialing 911?
@viking670 you could try reading ot for yourself. I have unlike 99% of the respondents here.
You should read it for yourself instead of following the insanely bad advice here. You also shouldn't follow my advice because you CAN'T know for sure that I have, but if you do read it, you will then realize that I have and most here haven't.
Out laws don't permit us to run out guns ablazing. Put it this way, if you are really afraid for your life, you likely won't be doing legal math in your head. If you are balancing legal fees in your head you are likely not in a situation where you should shoot. Bit that doesn't mean you can't, with gun in hand, stop someone from stealing your things, if they escalate to violence your options expand.
@@mateoromeo7032 I agree with you 100% but unfortunately in leftist canada, the masses go along with narrative like a bunch of scared little sheep.
Texas the biggest joke state in the U.S. , from poor JFK ,Tippit , Oswald and Ruby .Yankee go home!!!
The court should have the same amount of time to bring a verdict as the person who had his home invaded had to figure out how to defend himself…….
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As a gun owner in canada, I cannot keep my pistol loaded and within my reach in case an intruder enters my home, it just doesn't get any dumber!
Legally speaking, you shouldn’t, but frankly why not? Who’s going to know? Besides, if you ever had to shoot a home invader, a safe storage charge will be the least of your concerns. There are many quick access pistol safes available for what you really want to do.
As long as you have the lock box and everyone in the house understands how dangerous guns are then ur good; the law is stupid. If u have kids that have mental problems/are stupid or immature, keep it locked but loaded and unlock it before going to bed at night.
Aren’t hand guns illegal now in Canada? Unless the owner is a competitive shooter?
@@mojosdad68 i think maybe law enforcement gets a pass on that. not sure.
yes…….they are certainly illegal in Canada……….by all means the law abiding citizen pays the price for their illegal of firearms. Criminals walk free of ever getting caught or convicted.
A couple of years ago in my province a man was charged with 2nd degree murder for shooting a home invader wielding a knife. To make a long story short, he was found not guilty and freed by a jury.
The downside is that he was saddled with the financial burden of defending himself in court. That shit needs to change.
The Crown Prosecutor shouldn't have brought the case forward in the first place.
@@jimmason8502there is a law in Florida where to avoid malicious prosecution, the DA gets stuck with all legal bills if they don’t have damning evidence for a conviction. If that law was up here, the crown would never get away with all the bullshit that they do.
Will never happen……..due to the constitutional act of………1982 The Charter Rights And Freedoms Act. This Act was brought into law by then Perrie Eliot Trudeau Sr………Justin’s Trudeau’s father. An Act that gives Rights to all and even to the criminals of crime……..equal protection of all levels (bad or good).
@@jimmason8502yeah
Looks like the algorithm gods are at work and brought me to your vid.
Very insightful and much needed info in these turbulent times.
Unfortunately there’s no time to write a thesis while someone is in your home uninvited and threatening you. You go with your instincts! I’ve never been in this situation and hope that I or anyone in my family never is, but if I feel my life is in danger you better believe I’ll fight however I need to to get out of that situation.
The fact that this was done by a lawyer tells you everything you need to know about self defense in Canada
The problem here seems to be that the victim is expected to analyze the situation rationally. In any unexpected violent attack, a victim will simply not be capable of making the kind of reasoned apprehension of the situation the courts expect.
That presumption applies to domestic too. Neither party may be rational, but the man goes to jail.
They know that; this is just old colonial attitudes that firearms and self-defence are unnecessary in a British-based jurisdiction. Trouble is, that was true in 1791 but in 2023 is laughably old fashioned and inappropriate. Look at the A&W armed robbery in Toronto this week, where monkeys with guns held up a fast-food restaurant in broad daylight. If we could have guns, justice would have been served. Now, staff and customers are left in dire fear!
WWWOOOOWWW!!! I was unaware of this trickery mode of extracting fees from us. I guess i never checked in my banks statements my charges.... I must have been paying for these and not being aware of the charges. Thank you!!!
Very well-done video, thank you for sharing
Most states in the US have a “Castle Doctrine”; meaning your home is your castle and you’re under no obligation to flee YOUR OWN HOUSE.
The fact that he suggests you flee your own house in Canada means I don’t want to live there.
Well flee when you can, but defend yourself when you need to. Other than corrupt government/policies like the United States both the United States and Canada are a great place to live.
@@nogreatreset8506 - Excellent advice. I couldn't agree more, and to hell with laws when it comes to protecting yourself and your family.
Life under trudeau... it only gets worse for law abiding hard working citizens.. more tax, more tax and more useless laws.
@@nogreatreset8506you say that like it’s reasonable. It’s not. No one should have to flee their own home. Criminals have far too many rights in Canada. They put themselves in that situation, it’s not a homeowner’s job to protect them from the situation they put themselves in.
@@oleandra3759 if there is no threat against the people, and if they are just taking non important property that can be replaced its not worth harming them over, a lot of these criminals do not have an interest in the person(s) but rather just the stuff in the home. There are a lot of times when people just have a random excuse to want to injure or murder people that maybe could be received help and become better people.
As a Canadian i know if someone breaks into my house then they need to disappear without anyone seeing. Shovel, map, full tank of fuel and a busy night.
Leave the cell phone home.
And hungry coyotes sure can clean up a deer carcass, nothing left.
As a Canadian, please stfu. Defend yourself, and that's that. there's no need to resort to a crime. Making other Canadians look bad.
Everyone needs a hog lot, out behind the barn.
Can do good business with a backhoe
The old saying I was told when I got my RPAL. I'd rather be tried by 12 then carried by 6
Hide weapons around your house for defense. They came into my house they consented to a combat situation. Any force I use on them is reasonable in my mind. Reasonable force is not standardized yet.
I applaud this young man he should go free
crazy someone can break into your house and you have to follow rules to keep the person breaking in safe.
So the question is, how do we revamp our self defense laws so these injustices don’t happen anymore? It seems there’s a automatic bias against anyone using a gun to defend themselves
Don't vote liberal, that's how...
Just make sure the bad person does not escape. Missing person. Do it the correct way.
The bias seems to be in favour of the one with the gun not against.
There always is a bias against everyone who desires to stand for themselves and be self sufficient by the collectivist minds -
Get rid of Liberals
Shoot, shovel, and shut up?
Better to be judged by 12, then carried by 6.
3 stages to surving a home invassion:
1)preperation: firearms, martial arts, better
doors and locks.
2)surviving the conflict
3) winning the fight after the fight.
Jail time, lawyer fees, the guys family is coming after you now too, social recoil because you killed someone, wife leaves with the kids, fired from job, can't sleep.... the sheer trauma of going through all of it would be awful.... but better to have a plan, then to me murdered in your bed.
A little latemto the party here ... but im wondering... Would the allowances towards "mutual combat" where two individuals, over the age of 18, are permitted to engage in combat if both parties are willing participants??
Ive actually had charges dropped right on the street, no weapons just fighting, but bc BOTH of us stated a willingness to fight the other ... no charge.
Could this translate towards someone in your home/property??
These laws are embarrassing. why is there so much power given to criminals? why do they get to dictate the encounter when they make the choice to invade a strangers home? you have to wait for them to pull a gun on you before you can decide how to react? ridiculous.
Why? Because they promise to vote liberal
Quote the part from the actual law as written in the criminal code that you think is embarrassing.
Cite the section and subsection as well.
Its not that what is written is embarrassing and more about what is not written. But I think you already knew what they meant.@@SuperballsSupervidsOnYT
Same community as our law makers it would seem.
Lets make this simple.... If somebody breaks into another person's house then they have already signed their life away!
Since we don't want honest folks to use or even HAVE firearms, we need other self-defence methods. I have rattan sticks and a light metal rod and someone will be bleeding no matter what they come at me with. I'm in my 70s and not afraid to die to protect my family and home.
So who takes responsibility for the hesitation due to legal concerns which results in injury or death to the home owner? Not random police. Not a random judge. Not random citizens. The perp, sure, but that doesn’t bring the victim back to life. Big black hole of Justice there.
If someone breaks into my house, they leaving in a dress screaming "no diddy"
“You can use reasonable force to protect yourself…”. If someone shows up in your house in the middle of the night, no reasonable person wouldn't fear for their safety, nor should they bet their life/the lives of their family members that they aren’t there to do them harm.
I'm not worried about self-defense in my house in the country of Canada. I took the Jean Chretien self-defense course. I am now an expert at throwing my wife at an armed intruder and locking the bedroom door so they can sort it out between them.
lol
That is a judicious use of a wife. Finally a wife has a purpose.
😂🤣🤣@@jayjaynella4539
Good for you to not be a toxic male and giving your wife equal opportunity to protect the house. If she’s smaller then the criminal she can use more force.
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are there any differences for the province of Quebec ?
Just remember. its a lot easier to explain when there is only one story.
The trouble in Canada... is the lack of personal accountability. It's one sided. The homeowner has to be personally accountable to what he does to the intruder... but the intruder doesn't need to fear consequences for his actions towards Joe citizen in the moment... only if he's properly apprehended by police and put before the courts.
If you grab your kids and flee while calling the police... and the intruder/s is caught... they only will be charged.
If you fight back or your dog bites them... then you may also face charges... and your dog will be put down.
No one asked the intruder to break into your home... he chose to. If the consequences are immediate and life threatening to the intruder... that is a direct consequence for his own inappropriate actions (break and enter, threatening with or assaulting with a weapon.)
The moral would be... if you don't want to get shot at, hit with a bat or bitten by a dog... don't break into someone elses home. It's that simple.
I like 'right of castle'... it actually empowers home owners to protect themselves in their own homes.
A dead intruder cannot refute your testimony.
@@SuperballsSupervidsOnYT another benefit 👌
That's when you as a citizen go to your politician and judge and make demands about changing the laws. But people these day have given up total control to dumb politicians and have become.....sheeple....
With the current situation odds are, they just want to sell your home and cash in.
Just make sure there's only one story to tell, yours!
I will start by saying I lived in Texas for close to 20 years, so I am well aware of what can happen there if you break into someone’s house. What makes no sense about the law here is that I have to wait until they “communicate” their intentions to me before I know what force to respond with? In other words, I can only respond once attacked. So our law gives the criminal the upper hand…they get to go first? Nuts. If someone broke into my house, my only way out may be to pass them. Huh? Oh and I should retreat leaving my two kids upstairs in their beds? Our room is on the main floor and kids are up. Of course not, I am going to defend them. Since I have no clue of the intruder’s intention, the best defence of my sleeping kids upstairs may be to offensively attack the intruder so they retreat. Why do I have to retreat from my house? Listen, I can promise you I will do what I need to do if someone ever breaks into my home and deal with the consequences later. What other choice do I really have? One thing is for sure, I will be dead or they will be very sorry. The laws need to be changed in favour of the homeowner.
Give 'em hell, bubba! 12 gauge, 00 buckshot in the chest. We Canadians only get to see it in the movies.
You have to retreat because in Canada the house and its contents don't belong to you. They belong to the King. They aren't yours. So if somebody takes them it's got nothing to do with you. Same with your body. It belongs to the King, you are a thrall. Therefore you can only inflict the bare minimum damage on another thrall (also the King's property) in order to defend your life.
Amen to this reasoning.
Good video...thanks
We need castle doctrine in Canada.
The way I see it, if someone breaks into my home, they should not have the privilege of walking out.
You should see how the RCMP responds to people being attacked in their homes in BC. I know of many instances of this, but a well-reported example that happened only just a few months back occurred in Kamloops. A man, presumably on drugs, drilled through his floor into a neighbour's apartment with a giant ice auger in the middle of the night. Then the man jumped through the hole and attacked the residents of that apartment. A man grappled with the assailant who was beating him with the ice auger, while the victim's mother called the cops. Cops arrived, chased the man outside, then had to arrest him at gun point. Take a wild guess who got charged in this scenario.
Furthermore, I am sure that there is a correlation between people understanding that their lives will be ruined if they call the cops and increasing amounts of missing drug addicts.
Similar case in Los Angeles, guy came through the floor to attack landlord. Police useless, courts 6k minimum retainer.
Jesus how big was this ice auger? The biggest ice auger I've seen is 10 inches. If a guy fits through a 10 inch hole, you can probably beat him up with one finger. 😂
@@shawn4357 - No kidding. I live in a colder part of the world and I have never seen these huge augers those people are talking about....lolol
Correct, i wouldnt even bother with a lawyer in that case. Id just say Jury, bring it on.
I call bullshit
I love how the laws for self defence are framed like it’s some gentleman’s duel or weight class fight with a referee.
I don’t give a damn.
If somebody breaks into my house to harm my family it is my right and responsibility to stop them.
I want every advantage over the assailant. I want to come out on top.
Calling 911 and hiding sucking on my thumb waiting for the police to save me is not a reasonable option.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Exactly! Well said
Not exactly. Police response in Calgary is 5 minutes, minimum, if you're lucky. A lot can happen in 5 minutes.
I think I have a ‘lil bromance for you because of your attitude! I say the exact same things vis a vis home invasions/intruders.
My thoughts exactly!
I have a steering-wheel club next to my bed. Some-one breaks in, they're going to "feel it".
What's ur address?
The criminal has all the rights. They are basically allowed to do to you and/or your property what they want to. If it's self-defence, there should be no charges. As an untrained civilian, you probably don't have time to think about what might happen, or what the best scenario for you to apply might be. Better to ask for forgiveness than to ask permission. Isn't that what they are doing?
The ambiguous nature of the Canadian laws is troublesome, and it's unsettling as a citizen.
The problem is simply that every situation is going to be unique, and expecting people to reflect and consider the situation unemotionally and with a calm mind when there may only be seconds in which to react to a home invader in the middle of the night is not reasonable or practical. That's the reality of it.
A stranger that has broken into your home in the middle of the night poses an "undetermined" threat that may potentially lead to your demise. If you can't escape immediately then you pose an existential threat to the intruder which is a very dangerous situation. If they are armed with a knife they can kill you very quickly as you are considering what you might or might not be allowed to do legally. I find it ridiculous that we have this problem in Canada. It's outrageous. An intruder by default poses a life threatening risk to you the moment he enters your home uninvited.
even if he enters unarmed... once he grabs a knife from your kitchen...
@@davidhenningson4782 If he has hands, then he is armed. Beating homicides outnumber gun homicides.
@@galidornelkenmeer I agree. "Please check your 'hands' at the door!"😄
Exactly!
Anyone who thinks they can charge me for defending my family, my home should go to hell. Threaten my wife and children's safety and you will pay the ultimate price!
Exactly !
Damn straight!
I agree
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absolutely right on that, but try telling that to Mr Trudeau. He’s for the criminals of crime and not the victims of crime.
@@CassidyPresley-rk3ei - I understand your point but I'll be damned if I allow Castro-Trudolt's mindless ideals to put my family at risk! I will do what's right and just. There needs to be a deterrent so these criminals think twice before victimizing innocent people. I'm not afraid of going to jail for my beliefs, especially if I was able to keep my family from harm, I'd call it easy time.
Remember it's not the judge, the police or even the politicians that make the laws - it's the citizens. And if a law is deemed unjust, it is the responsibility of the jury to find the person not guilty and find that law unjust during the trial.
Keep a can of wasp spray handy. Read the warnings on back of the can. Self explanatory.
In Texas your a citizen, in Canada you are a subject, subjects don't have rights because they are not valued.
No Canadians are citizens, self defense is a right in Canada but the difference is there needs to be reason for you to defend yourself you do not just kill someone for any reason like if someone is stealing your television like they can do in Texas.
@@nogreatreset8506in court its all about what you can prove tho, so theres another issue even if you were defending your life, if you dont have cameras or cant afford security, how do you prove that in court?
@@nogreatreset8506 how about if they steal your life saving heart medicine and you are broke to buy new medicine????
That’s really true
Canadian citizen here, we have citizenship and education. “In Texas your” is immediately recognized as incorrect. Along with your assessment of Canada. Still can’t figure it out? You are = you’re.
You represented me years ago and it's nice to see you out here giving advice. Cheers Mike
Its absurd the rules in Canada, l went thru it & it was a BS Ordeal. 2 people broke in, l onfronted them. While talking to 1 the other stabbed me with a screw driver. I put them both down hard (dislocated elbow & shoulder) (broken jaw & nose, fractured orbital) only hit him twice. The prosecutor wanted to charge me with unlawful force & confinment beause l held them for the police to arrive. They finally dropped the charges because clean record & a firefighter Captain. It was absurd what they put me thru & it wasnt the police, it was the crown attorney.
Canadians should have the right to protect themselves
I live in Canada. I'm in a rural area, a man broke into my house. I woke up to the sound of glass smashing so I call the cops. I could hear my wife and kids needed help the man was hurting them, and I did what any Canadian man would do I lock myself in a room sat in my chair, and waited for the cops to do their job. I waited 25 mins, I remember the sounds I will always remember the sounds. cops arrived and shot the man, asked the cop why did you shoot him he said "Self-defense" As he caressed my hair, needless to say, I don't have a wife or kids anymore but I have a new cop boyfriend for he can protect me better than me. I still argue about the 25 min response time with him. In the Canadian government I trust, cuz your poor/middle-class family is expendable. I think only politicians have the right to self defense.
You definitely handled that in the right Canadian way. If you had shot the intruder, the cops would have shot you when they arrived 25 minutes later, as the identified "gunman". They would have also shot your wife and kids as gang related accomplices anyway. So at least you are still alive and you have a new boyfriend. Now it's time to transition into a woman and the story has a fairy tale happy ending.
@@timewellwasted3341true canadian story....
It usually takes AT LEAST half an hour for the Lazy Bastards to show up....IF THEY DO AT ALL.
@@neilo.hislop950 It's true what they say. "When seconds count, the police are just minutes away."
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I have a family and ive always been scared for this situation. I want to be able to defend my family and not go to jail.
Hey, we have baseball bats displayed on our walls all through our house, lol! 😂
I’m starting to figure out by a recent break in of my garage in Alberta, that the camera in plain view is not much of a deterrent.
We need a 2a in Canada especially after all these new Canadians we got and you should 100% be allowed to defend your house no questions asked
You think its the new people that cause these problems?
Its the old ones that kept a "reasonable defense" laws in place.
The old ones in the USA did their job and wrote the 1st and 2nd ammendment.
@@JT-bt6jyyes we got criminals but we got new criminals too. I see alot in the news
“new canadians”
@@JT-bt6jy Yes it is , actually. Go ahead, google Canada's most wanted. I'll wait.
@@satanous_one7590 i dont need to. These swlf defence laws were decided on way before all the new immigrants.
The trouble with the laws is they only allow you to be reactive not proactive. And unfortunately in so many situations, you dont get a chance to react, if the offenders are already attacking you, thats it, game over. Get your retaliation in first, is the best way to protect yourself.
Our self-defense laws literally say force or threat of force.
Do yourself a favor and read the actual law as it is written, it is quite clear.
Also remember that this guy benefits from confusion on the laws.
Protect your home at any cost❤
Ralph Klein had the best line (refereed to mad cow but...) shoot , shovel and shut up