Ineos Grenadier review from an actual owner. Live first drive from my wife.
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- @INEOSGrenadier we have actually bought this car and this is our short review of the vehicle. This is also the first time my wife has driven the vehicle so we film her reaction live.
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For those not familiar with the vehicle specs, and worried about rear seat legroom, he has ordered a version that move the rear seats forward to get more load space. This also exposes the glue lines in the rear. If you order the normal version the rear seat Is further back and the rear legroom is quite decent.
Which option is it that moves the rear seat forward?
So this is a commercial version? If so then I'm reassured because I was surprised with lack space behind 6ft driver position.
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@@jason_usa yes thats right. I am 6’2” and have sat in a normal version in the back and I can sit there fairly comfortably it’s no limousine but its fine. Probably slightly better than my old Discovery 3
@@kmg3144 I think it’s called a commercial version, don’t think it’s an option where I am in Australia but is in Europe
In the US are 3 versions: Fieldmaster, Trialmaster and non-Belstaff. The rear seats are positioned the same in all 3 of these, correct? I don't think we have the commercial version in the US that is being review here.
Thanks for the video and your initial thoughts. As others have said, a better microphone (wireless lapel mic), and not filming near busy roads would helpful as is was very difficult at times to hear and understand you. I had one on order, here in Australia but I unfortunately had to cancel after I had opportunity to sit in one. I am 6ft tall but more solid build than you and that driving position was not comfortable for me. We drive long distances here in Australia and I could foresee pain, as my left leg was jammed between the center console and the wheel and accelerator was askew. Later in the video, we see you driving and I must say that is not the seating position I adopt - you clearly like sitting right back from the wheel and reaching/leaning forward to drive (may also explain the compromised space behind you), unless it’s just camera angle. My take away is that the driving position, especially for RHD vehicles is indeed compromised but it will suit some body shapes/driving styles better than others. FYI, not sure why you purposely selected the BFG’s option (other than you say they look "cool"), as they are great off-road but their on-road performance is not as good and in the wet they can get scary.
Looking cool is NOT a reason to choose a certain tyre.
His steering position seems correct? Steering wheel at arms length with a bit of flex. OK, the way he steers is outright dangerous and irresponsible with the one hand cornering and keeping only one hand at 12 o clock, but that may have been done for filming purposes only.
I agree, the audio was poor. However, a lapel mic is not necessarily an improvement. They can be very susceptible to wind noise as well. If it was me, the first step would be having the camera person listening to the audio, they are recording, and then taking appropriate action.
Nice and honest review, thanks, been follwing the Grenadier since day 1 but still in love with my Defender 110, too bad there's all the wind noise, got my test drive still ahead of me, enjoy the Greadier.....greets from Switzerland
Me too, I've been following the Grenadier since day 1, it looks nice and robust but there is no price tag in the USA yet. I still drive a 2016 LR4 (Disco4) Supercharged, Luxury, it has 81500 miles or 131161 Km. and I get 17.6 miles/gallon or 7.39 Km/liter. My average speed is 83 MPH (133 KMH) It still runs like new and it looks new as well. The price will be the turning point for me to get a new Grenadier.
I have the same N1(van) model; the rear seats are about 7.5cm further forwards than the M1(car), but for 6' me and 5' 4" wife, the seats are not an issue. The Grenadier is a vast improvement on a 1989 LR110CSW, even some minor electronic gremlins have not dampened my spirits. On longer journeys, it has proved to be a big comfy truck, with the mpg slowly improving from 22.7mpg to 24.3mpg as it loosens up.
I take it those are Imperial gallons? Always trying to figure out what she'll do with the petrol US gal.
@@chanceneel1 Yes UK=Imperial
I should very much hope a new Grenadier is going to be somewhat of an improvement on a 34 year old Defender.
I think Ineos are going to sell these as quickly as they can make them. Such a demand for this kind of vehicle, and you yourself confirmed it, coming from a Defender.
Ueah you would think other manufacturers would catch up with the demand, but somehow they keep building computers on wheels.
It is so obvious what people like by the sales of Suzuki Jimny, Landcruisers, G wagons etc
Well done you two!! Good honest, and more importantly.... informative review!!!!
Exactly the type of review that I'm have been waiting for. Thanks
Thanks for this - great to hear from an owner. I'm very interested in one but I wanted a other buyers to take the leap first!
I really enjoyed this thank you enjoy it’s Awesome!
Enjoyed the honest no frills approach. I hope we see more of the beautiful Sonia😄
Congrats on your new Motor and an Excellent Honest Review
Great honest review. Thanks.
Congrats!
I think these vehicles will get better and better and will be hugely popular. Take my money (that I don’t have), nice wagon, will be good.
I'm loving the review! Would be a huge quality bump if you'd purchase a mic but I'm sure you are already aware of that. Or you can buy cheap "dead cat" for iphones.. it would cancel the wind at least! Keep it up! I would love hearing more from you.
Very much appreciated, thank you. Collect mine this afternoon all being well.
Nice review and thanks for posting. Interesting your wife liked it. We saw one up close yesterday and was very impressed-I suspected it would be far more expensive
You can move the rear seats back as all the mounting points remain in spite of the N1 requirements.. i noted your carpet comment, but the carpet mats are a great compromise. You keep the heavy duty N1 standard mats and just have fitted mats. I’ve ordered both carpet and rubber mats .. The growl from the diesel will grow on you ..
As you may know, this was slated on Harry’s Garage, but was given an extremely glowing review by Sir Jim (perhaps unsurprisingly.)
Very nice, very jealous. Thank you for sharing.
Very honest review.
driver’s view is excellent no blind spot
thank you for such a good video
Mic wind/traffic noise was extremely annoying. Other than that a good, short review.
yes please buy a Mic. DJI or Rode
@@timdmx512 and a dead cat
@@Petrolhead66 dead kitten. Cats are too big for lav mics.
Great video, i did not realize the the rear seat where so tight
That was set with him sitting behind himself, and with his straight arm position he’s so far back that he can’t drive with his arm out the window because the pillar is in the way.
No nonsense review, this was very helpful. Would have liked to have seen your opinion of the infotainment system.
I have not had chance to have a proper play with it yet. I will get to grips with it then post a video on it. Thanks.
Nice car , were you using a soldering iron for recording equipment
Great review in the car
Ill get one of the 2nd generations ones, always more refined and better made
Danke für dieses sympathische und ehrliche Video!
Ich hab den Grenadier zwei Stunden lang probegefahren und ich war auch ziemlich begeistert.
Schlecht fand ich den etwas geringen Platz im Innenraum mit 196cm Körpergröße.
Und die sich nicht von selbst Rückstellende Lenkung.
Sonst mag ich das Auto sehr und werde mir wahrscheinlich auch einen bestellen.
Ganz sicher bin ich mir aber noch nicht.
Grüße aus Bayern 🇩🇪!
Great to see the review from an owner. Will be interesting to see if mpg improves over time when the engine is run in. Have yet to see one in the flesh on the roads here in Northern Ireland and no big advertising here about who is selling them. At least there's springs and not worried about a sensor leaving the suspension in workshop more after some air pressure failure.
It weighs 3 tonnes with a driver in it. There's no improving on the fuel economy.
I saw one of these in the flesh yesterday, in black. I really want one.
Actually, that must be the one I saw - near Newcastle
Great review. Thanks for posting.
How is the steering different from the old Defender?
The ineos is more direct, it has a better turning circle and holds the road better. There is much more cabin space too which helps, on my defender my elbow was tight against the driver window.
Very good practical review of the car, thanks. Do consider using a Bluetooth mic for better audio quality.
Good video mate, thanks for posting. I like that you pointed out the few things that you don't like as well. Can I ask how you find the vision out of the side windows, does the B pillar annoy you in anyway?
Also, I have the same tyres on my current 4wd. I've found that if the wheel alignment is out then the tyres will start making a lot of road noise. Run your hand over them occasionally and you'll soon feel if the outside blocks are wearing unevenly as they'll be quite "sharp".
With my driving position the Pilar is an issue at junctions. I have to lean quite far forwards to see in either direction. General driving it’s fine.
@@thebrandtour1469 Thanks for the reply. I'm 6'4" and the side vision is about the only concern I have. Nothing that can't be overcome though. I'm eagerly waiting on the arrival of a demo at my local dealer here in Australia.
Well done lads , proper review by normal folks, big investment hopefully she'll be reliable, look forward to following your progress from ireland 🇮🇪
I am 6’ 4 and test drove the petrol version which I seriously enjoyed. One thing to watch out for is the adjustability of the side mirrors which does not have a sufficiently wide range. So I found myself leaning into the mirrors while driving to catch everything I wanted to see. This is particularly noticeable when you merge onto a motorway. I also found the center display touch response lacking and fiddly to operate and to have the volume button for the tinny sounding stereo system stuck behind the gear leaver is irritating. The buttons all look more industrial than they feel. But overall, driving, seats etc. all felt great. Loved the overhead windows. They give the cabin a nice airy feel. Not an inner city car though. It likes a bit of room.
I don't often get green eyed but man, what a unit - would be on my drive if work didn't have such restrictive emissions and actually the bik would be killer 😢
Great review. Lucky for you to get your delivery. When did you place your order ?
Paid deposit May 2022
Excellent review, in this size, have had (Isuzu) Troopers / (Kia) Sorrento's, not a patch on this. Currently back in Subaru territory, but, but.... :-) Minor tip - filming in a busy car-park without a wind-proof mic ... ? Keep up the good work though !
We have a mic now. Thanks.
This is a very stripped down version, almost base. I don't have any of the glue of finish issues. It's a true 4x4, not a shopping mall cruiser. It does what it's suppose to do and does it exceptionally well.
So you went for the commercial version which I have ordered, I noticed you have rear glass where I have ordered the panels to keep it as commercial as I can , but I now reading that although it’s a classified N1 , but people are saying it’s not vat reclaimable , did you order yours as a business truck ?
I was told the 5 seat with glass wouldn’t be classed as commercial. This is my everyday car. They said if I changed my order to a Belstaff I’d lose my spot in the que.
Is it for use as a 4wd or just it looks cool? I can think of much better options to spend my money than to just look cool.
It looks a fantastic vehicle. Were you in the Cambridge area last Sunday morning ?. I was passed by one on the A14 (First one I've seen) whilst I was in my bright blue Jimny JB74 :-)
Not me sorry. Love the jimny. One of my favourites. Good choice.
Hi, are the rear seats very upright as well? I’m a bit disappointed about the leg room which you mentioned.
The centre console in the middle would make it uncomfortable for the middle passenger too I’m assuming?
I forgot to ask if this is the commercial station wagon. The passenger Belstaffs are supposed to have a more reclined rear seat right?
If you need the rear legroom I would suggest going for one of the Belstaff editions. Should help with the legroom issue.
@@thebrandtour1469 thank you.
Nice one. Subbed. Better mics man. Great review and great car. Can see that woman is just pandering. Almost forced to be filmed lol. Good match. Better behind the camera though. And nothing wrong with that. Camera work is one of the hardest jobs on videos. Editing second IMO. Great to see the British countryside roads and weather too. Wish you guys all the best. I miss the UK dearly. There are always vids like this to give me my UK fix though I guess. Americans love UK sh*t too... Good audience booster there.
4x4s are always a tricky balancing act between form and function. I had a Land Cruiser and was always annoyed at how such a large vehicle had so little leg room in the back. It was adequate, but I'm convinced they could do better.
Little leg room? In my 200 series you can move the back seats forward and backwards like you do the front seats. Probably about 30 centimeters or so.
But never a Concern with a 1970's Range Rover Classic !- A Car for All Seasons and a A Car for All Reasons
I know you mentioned that these are the standard steel wheels but larger. Are these the 17" or 18" with the BFG Tires? Thank you
17
Looking forward to the off road component seeing as it's a 4x4. Cheers from OZ
Just trying to find a suitable site
@@thebrandtour1469 I guess it’s not as easy as Australia to make use of the vehicle :)
Good review . Saw one in the flash at weekend, think they’re going to sell lots of them . Nice engine noise though 😎
Cool car! Halfway between a defender and a Mercedes G
For the sheer size off it and looks so tight for passenger space in the back!
Looks awesome though apart from that 👌
Just bought a new Discovery Hse luxury. Really loving it regardless huge negative comments on You Tube 🤪
I used to have a disco hse lux. Great car. I had no issues with it. Good choice.
Isn’t the play in the steering pretty standard for a solid front axle vehicle?
Given it's a RHD, can you comment on the offset pedal layout that was there in the early demo models? Has this been addressed? Many thanks.
As far as I’m aware they haven’t changed this. For me it’s not been an issue.
What are your thoughts on the speedo being on the centre screen?
I don’t mind it. It’s clear enough to glance across. The teslas are all the same. My main issue is that it makes the infotainment screen smaller. If the speedo was in the normal position then the screen could be used solely for sat nav which I think I would prefer.
Looks good. Be careful with those tyres on wet roads. It’s there one weak point
Can I ask does this have the dreaded add blue and what’s the DPF like on short journeys, that steering wheel does look small.
Yes. It does have the add blue. 😢
Worst thing to do is to buy a new model car of any brand but this is not gest e new model is a new brand and you have to live with the consequences . Best thing to do is to wait at least one to two years until the company will fix all the production issues and to see the reviews done by auto jurnalists . Good luck and I hope you will enjoy your new toy for a long time !
Looks like a solid, practical, capable 4X4 aimed at the many loyal Land Rover enthusiasts who are disillusioned by LR’s departure from the classic rugged, angular character of the old Defender. For those who are in the market for a solid, capable 4X4 who do not adhere particularly to the traditional LR image, consider this… what kind of late model, low mileage, high spec Toyota Land Cruiser, with its proven pedigree and track record for reliability and durability, and for holding its value, could you get for £60,000? In three years time, they may well have reached parity for resale value.
Are the offset pedals a problem?
Not for me or my wife.
Side steps, you can everything from Powerful UK. His name is Simon tons of it.
Are there big bottle holders in the rear passenger side doors or any cup holders back there?
There are pockets in the doors, will depend on your definition of “big bottle” there are no rear cupholders
Reasonable question if off road ability and durability are not an issue for you. I think that defining a true off road vehicle by its cup holders, or lack thereof, is the reason that Land Rover gave up.
@@damienmorris2903 there is no debate that cup holders do not make a great off-roader. The challenge comes when you have a partner that is assessing the minimum feature set. For my needs the vehicle is near perfect with the primary concern being that, while the parts are proven, the collective of them working together in a new vehicle still need proving. I am campaigning to my better half that we are better off without certain features other vehicles have, but since the vehicle is not here for me to see it, I have to poll those whom have it.
@@kmg3144 Agreed. Time will tell. In Australia resale value after 6 or 7 years is one of the best indicators of reliability and durability. I think that they will sell reasonably well here to well off people who generally don't do much off road work but want something different - and don't care about resale value. Cup holders, acceleration, top speed, cornering, home comforts, electronics galore etc are important to them but of course when you are in the really rough stuff are completely useless.
How’s the quality?? Is it put together well??
The build quality n terms of the engineering looks very well built. The interior quality doesn’t match that.
I have just spent 7hrs in a Toyota Prado driving from Kalgoorlie to Perth in Western Australia and feel fine. They're very comfortable, reliable and competent off road. Why would you choose a Grenadier over a Prado?
Never even heard of a prado. Must be an Australian thing.
@@thebrandtour1469 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser_Prado
@@thebrandtour1469 No. It is the name given to the Land Cruiser that is sold in the UK. It is also known here in Japan as the Land Cruiser Prado. We also have the Land Cruiser (300) which I believe is not sold in the UK (Correct me if I'm wrong).
I have a 23 year old Prado, 400,900 km still going strong!
Prado’s in the uk is a Land Cruiser
Can't imagine ever having one of these in outback Australia, 2 or 3,000 Klm's from anywher and need an engine part you'd be waiting months.
3000km from anywhere you’d be waiting months for any brands engine part!!!!
Fabulous vehicle but after the two price rises it now starts at £65,000 which is £15,000 more than the price last year.
throw a bit of charcoal marine carpet over the glue spots on the floor
A walkaround away from a busy road and perhaps a wind proof microphone might enhance your reviews in the future?
At least you’re honest about many of the faults…. Part II review after 6 months / 12 months.
Lucky you. Is it better than the original ?
Yes it’s better but it’s double the price.
One upgrade would be your own lava liner microphone
That wind noise driving me up the wall
How does driving it compare to a 94 Range Rover? If I can tell my wife that it's easier to drive, I might be able to get one.
Very interested in hearing your opinion on the new Grenadier, but I found the audio, very poor… Perhaps you couldn’t help the wind noise, but surely you could’ve picked a better location rather than next to a busy street… thanks anyway!
I think some of your criticism is valid if comparing to a Range Rover. However, it is an unabashed 4x4. This should be compared directly to old Defender and Japanese pickups, which have taken over from Defender by country folk. They have addressed the problems encountered by people needing an offroader, inside and out. Can't wait for mine. Nice wheels, perfect for British roads!
might want to find a quiet field next time. 😉
Great video! Please invest in a decent lav mic setup.
We have. Didn’t expect anyone other than my mum to watch the video. We will try better for the next one.
Avoid making a video near a roadway without a dedicated microphone. The beginning of the video was terrible with the noise of passing traffic. Looking forward to more content.
Where can you even buy them from ?
Second had there are about 20 on autotrader. 2 on collecting cars. That’s all in the UK. Not sure about elsewhere.
Where are these available from dealerships Thankyou
Nearest to us is Skipton
Lapel mic would be a great addition
You should invest in a $25 microphone for future videos. Makes a huge difference.
Would b interested to know from owners what they think of the interior. The company I wok for makes many of the trim parts
Some parts look very good and well designed. Others look like they’ve rushed and cut corners.
@@thebrandtour1469
I know it may be a long list but could you let me know what's good and bad. We didn't design them though only make them
What an enormous vehicle for such derisory rear room?
23 miles per gallon makes it slightly absurd given it's a diesel. It's not even a cost thing, it's a range thing.
I was falling in love with this vehicle and just about prepared to buy one until you made aware the leg space in the rear. Got me thinking now so, will have to reconsider if it’s actually a luxury I would consider being without and at this stage, rear passenger comfort should be a given.
And now that you know he has the commercial variant leaving less room compared to the normal variants?
It seems the Belstaff editions have more legroom so that might be the better option for you.
Enjoyed the video about teh vehicle, except for the horrible sound quality
Definitely go for a Defender
I have ordered one in Melbourne australia. I have tried to change specs and ineos keep writing to say the order is cancelled. It’s beyond comprehension how bad trying to deal with ineos is. The l’iCal representative is a total waste of space. All I want to do is change the colour on my contract.
I’ve heard mixed reports. Some people thrilled with customer service and others not. My experience hasn’t been great with them. However when I’ve called the dealership they’ve always picked up and tried to help me out.
Interesting video - i think given you're making good informative videos you would benefit from investing in better audio
22 MPG for the diesel, is not sustainable in this current climate! Many compromises, no folding seats, rear legroom etc, etc. Pleased to have discovered your channel, will check out in more detail, Cheers. PS so is it more capable than the latest Defender, I honestly doubt it and economy is worse than the Defender. I appreciate the Defender has its own issues with reliability, build quality, etc!
The vehicle was never designed for people who actually care about the planet.
How does she put up with him?
I ask myself that everyday
Would have enjoyed this if I could have heard what you were saying.
Sorry Ben. Will do better next time.
I really wanted to watch your video as it seemed that you had important feedback to share about this vehicle, but your choice of location right by the road-side, and the lack of a proper mic with all that wind noise was too much to handle. I had to leave after two minutes of trying to watch. Please do something about getting a proper mic or at least cleaning up the noise in your post production editing - if possible. Thank you
The left foot - foot rest is an issue for people 6 Foot 2 - and over - after two year of anticipation I found this vehicle disappointing especially for the cost. Some amazing features but missed a few tricks.
I would buy one but, it doesn’t make much sense to me how an offroad vehicle only gets 14-15 MPG…..i mean, the places i’m expected to take this vehicle have no gas stations
Watch those tyres on the road in the wet, especially with those steering techniques...
Thanks….is that a polite way of saying my lack of driving talent and those wheels will be a disaster waiting to happen?😂
@@thebrandtour1469 No, it's a polite way of saying those tyres need a bit of care when driving "enthusiastically" on tarmac roads in the rain or wet 🙂
A lot of people can crib, but actually it's perfect!
You can get Uitily belt or side protection if you order it!!!!!! Side steps at mo on back order. Wheel covers also on back order. Floor is Utility also you should of ordered carpet.... Try a fuel can which fits in spare. Did you purchase Grenadier for purpose or road use?????. Steering is box and drop link not rack.. If you owner or own a JLR you bought the wrong car. It's a work horse not a tart!!!
Imagine converting the roof to a rtt
Honestly, it’s no louder than a 110 from what I can hear on the video.
Similar engine noise to my defender but a lot less road noise.
Maybe park out the wind and road noise for your next video