The Ineos Grenadier is proof that you (Land Rover) shouldn't attempt to "fix" something that was never broken to begin with. I wanted a classic Defender, but after seeing this, I'd like to be greedy and have both. GREAT review, Mat!
Really? The old defender is a shit car. Absolutely kills your back after a long journey, so loud you can’t hear yourself think inside it, mpg is impressively shit, reliability is abysmal had mine breakdown on the road three times in 40k miles, very little interior space considering the size, crap stereo, crap ac and heating. Etc etc.
@@simonwilson7581 Yes. Then again, sticking to a slightly updated version of the old design, with big updates and upgrades to the interior and tech, worked well for the Mercedes G-Wagon. Those things sell faster than they can build them too, despite the hefty price.
Nah, the new defender is a massive success. People like the idea of an old defender, but anyone who's spent time in one will tell you how utterly terrible they were. What they've done with the new one is perfect - it's hugely capable off road, but refined on it, which is where most spend their lives. And it's relatively affordable. They nailed it. Sure, they could've stuck a caricature body on the new car like Mercedes. Meh, would it have made it any better?
These are dope! I’m so happy to see smaller companies like this coming in and building manual, old school, low tech, purpose built vehicles. I’d love to see a company come in and build a manual transmission, low tech sports car.
I can understand why LR would want to take them to court for copyright but as far as I know, copyright only lasts 25 years. I suspect LR are pissed off because they discontinued their own Defender and perhaps wished they had of made this. This Grenadier looks like it will become a real commercial truck and not something for the city.
I heard that part of that sue was a study, in which they were presenting a silhouette of the Grenadier and asking people what car is on the picture and most of them replied simply a jeep :)
The EU emissions killed off the old defender, land rover should have kept the shell and upgraded the engine. Instead they've given us a chunky range rover. Ineos will kill off the new defender.
@@mrpete1972 this won’t kill off the new defender, the new defender is better in nearly every way, and it’s starting price is even cheaper, you also have a lot more options when it comes to engines etc, You get more vehicle for your money along with the name of a icon.
Britain at its best sad that our homemade vehicles are thin on the ground. The only problem I think the demand will be so high will they be able to manufacture enough, great for heavy industrial use and difficult territory like Australia ,Middle East, Africa fantastic vehicle at a good price I would buy one in a flash
I've been waiting for the Grenadier for several years now and in that time the price has doubled! As a farmer, Ineos must be dreaming if they think we will pay £53k starting price. Maybe a wealthy land owner would buy it, although they would probably get a Range Rover instead. Therefore I'm not sure who this is for. Maybe townies with large incomes who want to play at off roading at the weekend? Although why not just buy the more luxurious new Defender. I would buy this but it would have to be closer to the original price.
@@warrenhulme1193 And it would still leak like a sieve, rattle and creak, be unbearably noisy, pollute like a tractor and have switch gear, seals, wipers, gauges and so much more, based on 70s British Leyland parts bins. I've had my Defender, from new since 2001and driven it 95,000 miles, mainly off-road. I've lost count of the parts I've replaced, many, many, more than once. New locks all around, that I can still open with a screwdriver. Don't talk such tosh about restoration being better than the Grenadier. This thing is an absolute thing of beauty and you're delusional if you think any rebuilt Defender comes anywhere near. This is the Defender, Landrover should have built, fit for the 21st Century.
I have the new Defender P300 and having had a 1998 Defender 90 for 12 years, the new one wins hands down. I can certainly report that the air suspension really excels in the wild outback areas of Henley-on-Thames towards Nettlebed.
If Land Rover won't make cars like this anymore then I can't blame this company and vehicle for filling the gap. Time will tell if it's as good as what it inspires to be
@@pinzgauerbelgium :-D The Pinzgauer is arguably worse as a car, but better offroad than anything anyone builds at the moment. (maybe apart from tanks and some Unimog Variants)
I pray that the colour combos that we've seen on these preproduction models will be used on the production model. And this only weighs 500kg more than the old defender 110, but that's only safety equipment, so it's not that bad
Try carrying 10 of 50kg bags of ballast on your back to see what it really means. Or more sensibly, carry ten 50kg bags of anything [yes they are still available] from one place to another, 100 metres apart.
@@harleyrobertson6746 That’s a massive amount of extra weight as I illustrated. It effects everything from handling to fuel economy to the performance on and off road to the amount of payload it can carry while also towing, to the class of MOT inspection it has, to its speed limits on certain roads as a commercial vehicle in many countries.
I knew it had to be a BMW Diesel from that deep rumble, it sounds like my car upon cold idle. M57 diesel is one of the most hardcore engines out there.
Modern vehicles like Defender L663 look great. It really looks like something a very good designer made... .. but i can't quite figure out why... i don't like those. While the INEOS GRENADIER is also a modern vehicle and it looks FANTASTIC. On the dashboard, the buttons look like a military machine. There are bolts on the side of the little panels on which the buttons are held and there are two handles on the sides of the hazard switch. SO COOL!
I got to see one at a local festival, that I did Security at, the first thing i said when i saw it was that looks like an older defender and would love to get one and mod it like a proper defender. I got to see one of the non-runner versions and could see how early it was since a lot of the buttons where either from other vehicles or where 3d printed and had no markings. Would love to actually love to see one in the wild and have a go in one.
And complaints like this is why all new Land Rovers aren't actually off-roaders. They're now catered towards luxury. That creaking is quite normal and wouldn't be experienced on-road.
@@kylegriffiths5990 don't think you have to sacrifice luxury for offroad capabilities🤷♂️ so could you explain what the creaking is cause I've never heard that in any car
Looking in to granaries it’s nice off roader. But boot space - bulging from both side 🤔, need a fully flat 2nd row seat to the boot level, also need 7 seat option. Like a disco 4
It’s just a shame they’ve went with the archaic and less practical rear seat folding of 60:40 instead of the much better and user friendly in the real world 40:20:40 It would allow two rear passengers and stuff to pass thru that small middle seat D’oh !!!
The big problem with this car is the owner of INEOS being the man who put families under a lot of stress in the North of England with his dirty FRACKING SITES. And didn't his firm seek injunctions to stop activists from protesting the destruction of their countryside?
Interesting (and slightly terrifying) to note that since this video was made, the price of the entry level model has gone up by £7,000 - Now starting at 55k. For reference, the Land Rover Defender Commercial (which would be its nearest natural competitor) starts at £58,000 and is a LOT more luxurious inside...
Great offroader. But pricing is insane. In The Netherlands this car costs €170k which is more expensive even then the New Defender....its a showstopper for me.
Should have made the Welsh car factory for assembly... And also used the hambach one and build right hand drive in the UK and left hand drive on the continent... Hate how this projects turned out
Why landrover didn’t do this and release their version as a defender sport is anyone’s guess not like they seem to worry about it with other models in the range .
I can not work out why Land Rover didn't design the new defender like this l suppose it has an ANCAP rating and people will buy a boxy off roader look at the Suzuki Jimny and very popular in Australia infact there is a waiting list for them also how will it sell well it looks very capable actually it looks great it will sell
The development was done by Magna in Graz, Austria. So the Grenadier is definitely in the tradition of the Mercedes G/Puch G, which was also developed by Daimler-Steyr-Puch (Magna's predecessor company) and Mercedes in Graz in 1979. The engines come from the BMW engine plant in Steyr, also Austria. The Grenadier is then manufactured in Hambach, France, in the former Smart plant, which Ineo bought from Mercedes. All the best to Ineos, looks like a great car.
I don't really go off-road. But I would buy a Grenadier. Why? Proper buttons and big, simple controls. Big windows. Great visibility. Real handles. Great interior space. Manual handbrake. Proper mirrors. Rugged. Simple materials. I wish more cars were made like this.
The new Defender has all that, except for the manual handbrake, and it also isn’t some dude’s hastily slapped together vanity project, but a proper car.
@@briangriffith3985 except the landcruiser isnt available in the UK is it ? GR beats this on specs, more power, more torque, more gears, same weight, much more modern interior and its a toyota so should be reliable
g wagon are rubbish.. id buy,well,i have an f250 1975 highboy, fit front rear lockers, job done. 26" clearence, std.. same as dodge power wagon,chev cucv. old is good. &, there manuel. not computer compromised auto rubbish.. ausie..also have an 82 bronco with d60 sas.
The interior of the LR defender is way better, I'd prefer it for that alone The panomric roof and the roof holes make it a better passesnger experience
Its probably gonna continue squeaking and creaking, truthfully the Current Defender is what I call a proper upgrade from the disco 4&3 and unlike the Disco 5 you can take it offroad and not feel bad about scratching a panel or the bumper, the ineos is cool but you can't compare it to the Defender when it comes to comfortability and daily driveability and the fact that the new defender doesn't have a ladder frame chassis I sure know which care I'd like to be in offroading as well and it's definitely not the ineos
Your comment needs to be pinned to the top sir. I agree with you hundred percent. My mind tought of something similar about the new gay defender its horrible. And now this comes out it's a big win for me in my heart. I love this vehicle its proper shape style stance its mean its says move out the way plastics.
I love having more options and competition in the space, personally i think the Grenadier makes some poor choices on config and is upper end of the market for what you get, but will be popular anyway with the hype and excitement, and i dont think it will flop
For once a well designed and really solid vehicle, 99% of modern off roaders are not ruggedly built and often fail a few years in, time will tell if this is as reliable as it looks, yes I would consider buying one
I would have thought that the 60/40 rear split seats would align with the door openings, i.e. the 40 split with the small opening and the 60 split with the wider one.
The fact the seats don’t fold flat is crazy. Rules the car out for me, the things massive, but there less usable “tip run” space than my old Mercedes ml, which has a fully flat floor.
Its got some weird design choices which I guess comes from the ground up design. Wedging that 3.0L beamer engine into a weirdly shaped engine bay, for one. Its just such an inefficient layout which causes the weird humped roof and leaves no space for the electronics/ battery. The suspension mounts for the leaf springs are left danging below the frame, thats just not how modern ladder frame/ leaf springs work. You've basically just compromised your ground clearance. And the list goes on.
This is a rival for a G-wagon not an original defender, I can’t see many farmers splashing out £48000 for the base model grenadier. The original defender became obsolete for its target market: farmers! Farmers mostly moved to Japanese vehicles as they’re far cheaper and more reliable.
Love the INEOS Grenadier. What the 4x4 buyers' market sorely needs today is an affordable no-frills INEOS Grenadier - just like a Suzuki Jimny - only bigger. The problem with the INEOS Grenadier and other 4x4s is they are very expensive so out of reach for many fans.
The 450 nm of torque from the engine might seem low, but an 8 speed torque converter gearbox offers low enough gearing, so that what you want is a nice flat torque curve.
@@Theocurrie Exactly, it's tuned for offroad use, which favours low-end torque and high reliability, but of course with a ECU remap you can get to your numbers easily
@@xxxxxtrxxx13 according to Ineos BMW have tuned the straight 6 to lose HP to gain torque for the off road ability so not sure if the figures quoted here are correct. th-cam.com/video/vZFk1qJDWlk/w-d-xo.html
@@dad_jokes_4ever226 right! I was thinking surely I couldn't be the only one to notice that as well! Maybe just a seat belt warning, as Matt was wearing a harness, not the "standard" belt?
A car that people who want simple have been asking for. I'm happy Sir Jim Radcliffe went ahead with this, good simple car that won't be as big of a pig to drive on the road (Big fan of the old defender but it was dangerous in modern traffic). Also, the old technology is utilised exceptionally well on this and modern conveniences have been added which in my eyes makes this one of the best cars this year.
For anyone who has only just discovered this car from Car Wow. Please look at the development and previous videos on this car on other channels from over the last year. Is a seriously impressive machine. Very exciting for the 4X4 market that the new Landy should have been all along.
For a review that considers the prototype of this vehicle from the perspective of a serious off-roader, have a look at AllOffroad 4x4 Adventures TV. His review identifies several potential shortcomings, including ground clearance, protruding steering damper, ramp over angle and woeful fuel capacity (for touring). Hopefully there are solutions in the pipeline.
They both will do exactly the same. Throw new Toyota 4Runner in the mix even. All will perform the same. The difference can cone only in offroad situations where you want to break one of these vehicles. But All the normal offroad trails, all of the 4x4 will do ok.
I feel quite ambivalent about this car. It is clearly a photocopy of the Landrover Defender, which is sort of what you expect from Chinese manufacturers. My biggest problem is that the owner of Ineos is a ‘rabid’ Brexiteer, who lives in Monaco avoiding paying taxes, and decided at the last moment to build it in France - you couldn’t make this up! 🤦🏻♂️
😭😭😭 cry me a river. Why not find real reasons to complain rather than something that happened years ago. You probably wouldn't support F1 Mercedes team because a German F1 car is sponsored by Brexitier, with an English driver. when will you guys learn to accept the result. move on and stop hating.
@@midlandgeordie evidence? Even a quick Google search shows the Welsh unemployment is lower and lower year on year. Now in terms of pay rises, I would challenge the Welsh Labour government.
Niceee 😃👍. It's nice to see a new properly off-road style 4X4 among all of these expensive, luxury SUVs (although I do like some of these like the new Defender in 🙂👍).
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A bunch of BMW parts put together by a Mercedes factory based on an old Britsh design? Love it!
I think it’s made in Graz by Magna.
I give it an hour before it starts disintegrating.
It not built in a Mercedes factory.
@@Jabber-ig3iw The G Wagon is also built in Graz
@@Jabber-ig3iw at least it's designed by Grenadier Automotive in Stuttgrat Germany by a bunch of former Mercedes guys
The Ineos Grenadier is proof that you (Land Rover) shouldn't attempt to "fix" something that was never broken to begin with. I wanted a classic Defender, but after seeing this, I'd like to be greedy and have both. GREAT review, Mat!
Time will tell if you're right. So far the new Defender is the 2nd highest selling Land Rover with a 12 month waiting list, let numbers talk.
Really? The old defender is a shit car. Absolutely kills your back after a long journey, so loud you can’t hear yourself think inside it, mpg is impressively shit, reliability is abysmal had mine breakdown on the road three times in 40k miles, very little interior space considering the size, crap stereo, crap ac and heating. Etc etc.
@@simonwilson7581 Yes. Then again, sticking to a slightly updated version of the old design, with big updates and upgrades to the interior and tech, worked well for the Mercedes G-Wagon. Those things sell faster than they can build them too, despite the hefty price.
Nah, the new defender is a massive success. People like the idea of an old defender, but anyone who's spent time in one will tell you how utterly terrible they were. What they've done with the new one is perfect - it's hugely capable off road, but refined on it, which is where most spend their lives. And it's relatively affordable. They nailed it.
Sure, they could've stuck a caricature body on the new car like Mercedes. Meh, would it have made it any better?
But land-rover is a business with the goal of selling cars. They definitely made the right choice, however you personally feel about that car
I love that pop-up sunroof. My Dad had one on his Montego in 1987, it was the height of luxury.
These are dope! I’m so happy to see smaller companies like this coming in and building manual, old school, low tech, purpose built vehicles. I’d love to see a company come in and build a manual transmission, low tech sports car.
I can understand why LR would want to take them to court for copyright but as far as I know, copyright only lasts 25 years. I suspect LR are pissed off because they discontinued their own Defender and perhaps wished they had of made this. This Grenadier looks like it will become a real commercial truck and not something for the city.
I heard that part of that sue was a study, in which they were presenting a silhouette of the Grenadier and asking people what car is on the picture and most of them replied simply a jeep :)
Highly doubt that since the new Defender is selling like hotcakes.
The EU emissions killed off the old defender, land rover should have kept the shell and upgraded the engine. Instead they've given us a chunky range rover. Ineos will kill off the new defender.
@@mrpete1972 I wonder if crash tests were a factor too? I love the old style Defender more though definitely.
@@mrpete1972 this won’t kill off the new defender, the new defender is better in nearly every way, and it’s starting price is even cheaper, you also have a lot more options when it comes to engines etc, You get more vehicle for your money along with the name of a icon.
That creaking steering column would do my head in
Hopefully that’s just because it’s a prototype vehicle.
@@Jabber-ig3iw I assume so
At least you know they have copied a landrover in every detail
@@eliotmansfield underrated comment😂😂
Britain at its best sad that our homemade vehicles are thin on the ground. The only problem I think the demand will be so high will they be able to manufacture enough, great for heavy industrial use and difficult territory like Australia ,Middle East, Africa fantastic vehicle at a good price I would buy one in a flash
What is British about it?
I've been waiting for the Grenadier for several years now and in that time the price has doubled! As a farmer, Ineos must be dreaming if they think we will pay £53k starting price. Maybe a wealthy land owner would buy it, although they would probably get a Range Rover instead. Therefore I'm not sure who this is for. Maybe townies with large incomes who want to play at off roading at the weekend? Although why not just buy the more luxurious new Defender. I would buy this but it would have to be closer to the original price.
That price is ludacris. Should be £25K topps
They'd indeed make more profit if they price it lower and sell more instead of pricing like its a luxury car and only sell to the wealthy
For that kind of money I could have a ground up rebuild on my defender and still have change!
@@warrenhulme1193 And it would still leak like a sieve, rattle and creak, be unbearably noisy, pollute like a tractor and have switch gear, seals, wipers, gauges and so much more, based on 70s British Leyland parts bins. I've had my Defender, from new since 2001and driven it 95,000 miles, mainly off-road. I've lost count of the parts I've replaced, many, many, more than once. New locks all around, that I can still open with a screwdriver. Don't talk such tosh about restoration being better than the Grenadier. This thing is an absolute thing of beauty and you're delusional if you think any rebuilt Defender comes anywhere near. This is the Defender, Landrover should have built, fit for the 21st Century.
@@Darkest_matter Behave. A Ford Fiesta costs more than that.
Its axles are made by Carraro, an Italian leading company talking about axles! They work with names such as John Deere and Claas!
Yes, tractors. Not the same thing at all.
Love seeing the smile faces in all journalists driving the Grenadier.
Another dream vehicle. I truly wish the diesel was coming to the US.
I have the new Defender P300 and having had a 1998 Defender 90 for 12 years, the new one wins hands down. I can certainly report that the air suspension really excels in the wild outback areas of Henley-on-Thames towards Nettlebed.
😁😁😁😁
I should think is does for £80,000
If Land Rover won't make cars like this anymore then I can't blame this company and vehicle for filling the gap. Time will tell if it's as good as what it inspires to be
Only the prototypes were built at Magna-Steyr plant in Austria (where the G-Class is built), the mass production will be in France.
True, but as he "was sat" in a prototype, the car he was in probably was built in Graz.
They used to build better cars in Graz than this...like the Pinzgauer. 👍
@@pinzgauerbelgium :-D The Pinzgauer is arguably worse as a car, but better offroad than anything anyone builds at the moment. (maybe apart from tanks and some Unimog Variants)
I pray that the colour combos that we've seen on these preproduction models will be used on the production model. And this only weighs 500kg more than the old defender 110, but that's only safety equipment, so it's not that bad
Yeah these prototype colors looks very good
Fucking hate these spam bots
Try carrying 10 of 50kg bags of ballast on your back to see what it really means. Or more sensibly, carry ten 50kg bags of anything [yes they are still available] from one place to another, 100 metres apart.
@@hedydd2 it's a fucking car, 500kg is nothing for it. Half a ton is too much for anyone but a utility vehicle like this is easy
@@harleyrobertson6746
That’s a massive amount of extra weight as I illustrated. It effects everything from handling to fuel economy to the performance on and off road to the amount of payload it can carry while also towing, to the class of MOT inspection it has, to its speed limits on certain roads as a commercial vehicle in many countries.
That creaking steering wheel and those "ding ding" sounds all the time would drive me crazy.
What landrover should have done 20 years ago!
I knew it had to be a BMW Diesel from that deep rumble, it sounds like my car upon cold idle. M57 diesel is one of the most hardcore engines out there.
Sorry to be out of topic but what is the difference between M57 and B57?
Not gonna lie. This car looks awesome especially the paint and the interior
they should sell it in that test-color. Looks really cool.
Modern vehicles like Defender L663 look great. It really looks like something a very good designer made...
.. but i can't quite figure out why... i don't like those. While the INEOS GRENADIER is also a modern vehicle and it looks FANTASTIC.
On the dashboard, the buttons look like a military machine. There are bolts on the side of the little panels on which the buttons are held and there are two handles on the sides of the hazard switch.
SO COOL!
Love it, a proper Land Rover
This and the Suzuki Jimny are just about the only currently available 4WD vehicles that I have any respect for.
I got to see one at a local festival, that I did Security at, the first thing i said when i saw it was that looks like an older defender and would love to get one and mod it like a proper defender. I got to see one of the non-runner versions and could see how early it was since a lot of the buttons where either from other vehicles or where 3d printed and had no markings. Would love to actually love to see one in the wild and have a go in one.
Love at first sight, of that proper ladder chassis, that vehicle definitely needs a "you are my crumple zone" sticker.......
◾️ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛɪɴɢ ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴘᴇᴛᴇʀ ᴍᴇᴋʟɪsʜ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs.
Looks very promising.
Regarding it being a copy of defender, I disagree. It reminds me in the same way of G-wagon
Real off roader with the best diesel engine u can dream of. Definitely want to buy one of this.
3.0 l engine is a bit big no?
@@LandersWorkshop no, it's not big. Just enough
I am literally on my way to get a classic Def and got across this video 😂😂😂😂😂 !!!!! Hard time !
I love this thing, I've been waiting to see it.
Really nice review. Would love to see Doug review this.
U should really let yanni try this track!!it will be a classic..🤣🤣
I love this car. Please let me have one and I'll wear their T-shirt for a whole year.
This should literally sell faster than they can turn them out 🤘😎🤘
◾️ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛɪɴɢ ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴘᴇᴛᴇʀ ᴍᴇᴋʟɪsʜ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs.
A hand sanitiser company making a car.
that's some very creaky steering
This
I thought he'd mention it, sounds horrible
And complaints like this is why all new Land Rovers aren't actually off-roaders. They're now catered towards luxury. That creaking is quite normal and wouldn't be experienced on-road.
@@kylegriffiths5990 don't think you have to sacrifice luxury for offroad capabilities🤷♂️ so could you explain what the creaking is cause I've never heard that in any car
That Bora @ 0:20 is sick :x
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I'm absolutely motivated from watching this!!
Whats that ding and rattleing sound? Driveing me crazy! Awesome car. Land Rover...take notes!
Agree, it’s the real Defender! I like it! Just missing the manual transmission.
INEOS makes cars? Good to know.
Good job 👍 I already booked one 😊
Love it. Would definitely buy one
Got to see the grenadier in September 2020 was one of the first prototypes
◾️ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛɪɴɢ ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴘᴇᴛᴇʀ ᴍᴇᴋʟɪsʜ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs.
After looking at this, so glad I got the new Defender.
Nice. FYI Split side hinge tailgate’s seen on the old Nissan Patrol’s
I love this. 😁 And not as expensive as I thought it would be. But a boot cover is essential for.
Looking in to granaries it’s nice off roader. But boot space - bulging from both side 🤔, need a fully flat 2nd row seat to the boot level, also need 7 seat option. Like a disco 4
I want it desperately.
I want one!
Good old Matt- hates load covers and wants to throw them away, but when a car doesn't come with one, complains
The sterling wheel roars like a baby lion 🦁 crrrrrrrr crrrrrrr krrrrrrr
Thank you for chapters
It’s just a shame they’ve went with the archaic and less practical rear seat folding of 60:40 instead of the much better and user friendly in the real world 40:20:40
It would allow two rear passengers and stuff to pass thru that small middle seat D’oh !!!
◾️ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛɪɴɢ ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴘᴇᴛᴇʀ ᴍᴇᴋʟɪsʜ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs.
The big problem with this car is the owner of INEOS being the man who put families under a lot of stress in the North of England with his dirty FRACKING SITES. And didn't his firm seek injunctions to stop activists from protesting the destruction of their countryside?
also he promised jobs in wales and supported brexit, just so he can then go and not build it in wales but france
@@Tunnel_Rat69 and he brought his own people with him and didn’t create any local jobs.
I can see this used in military also. Maybe also add 3 row seats.
this is very nice
Yes how does Matt always guess what is in my mind.. In my mind I had the grendier and guess what matt reviewed it ❤️❤️#mattwatson
Interesting (and slightly terrifying) to note that since this video was made, the price of the entry level model has gone up by £7,000 - Now starting at 55k. For reference, the Land Rover Defender Commercial (which would be its nearest natural competitor) starts at £58,000 and is a LOT more luxurious inside...
Very nice man's car
Great offroader. But pricing is insane. In The Netherlands this car costs €170k which is more expensive even then the New Defender....its a showstopper for me.
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Should have made the Welsh car factory for assembly... And also used the hambach one and build right hand drive in the UK and left hand drive on the continent... Hate how this projects turned out
This is the "defender" that JLR should have built.
Simples. Want one.
It should be perfect off-road machine but if using actual front and rear locker not artificial locker, but for overland it more than enough
Looks nice
i do like the new defender i would take both if i could lol
I know it’s a prototype but that creaking and beeping would drive me nuts
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Why landrover didn’t do this and release their version as a defender sport is anyone’s guess not like they seem to worry about it with other models in the range .
thats what we need
Rear door inspiration, Isuzu Trooper circa 1980’s
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I can not work out why Land Rover didn't design the new defender like this l suppose it has an ANCAP rating and people will buy a boxy off roader look at the Suzuki Jimny and very popular in Australia infact there is a waiting list for them also how will it sell well it looks very capable actually it looks great it will sell
this is the second suv i want to buy if i have money
Thay are making landrover wish they had done it right the first time
That creaking steering wheel would annoy the hell out of me.
The development was done by Magna in Graz, Austria. So the Grenadier is definitely in the tradition of the Mercedes G/Puch G, which was also developed by Daimler-Steyr-Puch (Magna's predecessor company) and Mercedes in Graz in 1979. The engines come from the BMW engine plant in Steyr, also Austria. The Grenadier is then manufactured in Hambach, France, in the former Smart plant, which Ineo bought from Mercedes. All the best to Ineos, looks like a great car.
Looking forward to the offroad test, this v the new defender. I'm guessing which will win ....
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Thanks Wikipedia. Was this your way of saying, 'this is not a British vehicle'?
I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee which was also made in Graz , Austria.
Not a lot of people know that !
@@Uniongamers it's not a British vehicle ! No more than the German Mini or the Chinese MG
I don't really go off-road. But I would buy a Grenadier. Why?
Proper buttons and big, simple controls. Big windows. Great visibility. Real handles. Great interior space. Manual handbrake. Proper mirrors. Rugged. Simple materials. I wish more cars were made like this.
The new Defender has all that, except for the manual handbrake, and it also isn’t some dude’s hastily slapped together vanity project, but a proper car.
@@alexclipper7608 Nice to know. I'm gonna go and try one soon then!
@@alexclipper7608unlike the new defender it doesn’t have a drivetrain that will fail after 60k miles
Buy a wrangler, they are head and shoulders above these, and finally the automotive journalists are realising it
@@UserUser-vo2ky they are junk, a bronco is much better
As soon as it’s available in U.K. you’ve got to do a test between it, old defender, new defender and g wagon
and landcruiser
@@briangriffith3985 except the landcruiser isnt available in the UK is it ? GR beats this on specs, more power, more torque, more gears, same weight, much more modern interior and its a toyota so should be reliable
g wagon are rubbish.. id buy,well,i have an f250 1975 highboy, fit front rear lockers, job done. 26" clearence, std.. same as dodge power wagon,chev cucv. old is good. &, there manuel. not computer compromised auto rubbish.. ausie..also have an 82 bronco with d60 sas.
@@michelvanwoudenberg well he might as well have to import one elsewhere
That creaking and squeeking would drive me mad. Hopefully just because it is a prototype
It will be, most of the interior on those cars is 3D printed or fast manufacture
The interior of the LR defender is way better, I'd prefer it for that alone
The panomric roof and the roof holes make it a better passesnger experience
Its probably gonna continue squeaking and creaking, truthfully the Current Defender is what I call a proper upgrade from the disco 4&3 and unlike the Disco 5 you can take it offroad and not feel bad about scratching a panel or the bumper, the ineos is cool but you can't compare it to the Defender when it comes to comfortability and daily driveability and the fact that the new defender doesn't have a ladder frame chassis I sure know which care I'd like to be in offroading as well and it's definitely not the ineos
Yeah, it was the steering wheel creaking every turn
... and that stupid DingDing...
This is a big fat middle finger to land rover for discontinuing the old defender and a huge win for old-school offroad-loving customers. I love it!
New Defender is more complete and I love complete cars BUT for pure, reliable off roading this is slightly better....
Your comment needs to be pinned to the top sir. I agree with you hundred percent. My mind tought of something similar about the new gay defender its horrible. And now this comes out it's a big win for me in my heart. I love this vehicle its proper shape style stance its mean its says move out the way plastics.
Id prefer a manual personally and no infotainment screen.
2 fingers more likely but does old school sell? Have you studied the subject?
I love having more options and competition in the space, personally i think the Grenadier makes some poor choices on config and is upper end of the market for what you get, but will be popular anyway with the hype and excitement, and i dont think it will flop
For once a well designed and really solid vehicle, 99% of modern off roaders are not ruggedly built and often fail a few years in, time will tell if this is as reliable as it looks, yes I would consider buying one
Engines German?
Don't hold ya breath
That's because it's german instead of english
Jimny???
Do you know a small company that called toyota?
@@CHMernernersmall company? Dude they literally own asians market
Very Nice review Mat !!!!
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I would have thought that the 60/40 rear split seats would align with the door openings, i.e. the 40 split with the small opening and the 60 split with the wider one.
Its got lots of obvious design flaws like that...given the ground up nature, its very surprising such obvious things were missed
Not only that but he showed the rear seat backs don't lay down level with the rear floor making it nice and flat.
The fact the seats don’t fold flat is crazy. Rules the car out for me, the things massive, but there less usable “tip run” space than my old Mercedes ml, which has a fully flat floor.
@@sheerluckholmes5468 That's because the battery and electronics are underneath the rear seat. Supposedly they will be in a waterproof box.
Its got some weird design choices which I guess comes from the ground up design. Wedging that 3.0L beamer engine into a weirdly shaped engine bay, for one. Its just such an inefficient layout which causes the weird humped roof and leaves no space for the electronics/ battery. The suspension mounts for the leaf springs are left danging below the frame, thats just not how modern ladder frame/ leaf springs work. You've basically just compromised your ground clearance. And the list goes on.
I love the old styling of this vehicle.
same!
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This is a rival for a G-wagon not an original defender, I can’t see many farmers splashing out £48000 for the base model grenadier. The original defender became obsolete for its target market: farmers! Farmers mostly moved to Japanese vehicles as they’re far cheaper and more reliable.
Love the INEOS Grenadier. What the 4x4 buyers' market sorely needs today is an affordable no-frills INEOS Grenadier - just like a Suzuki Jimny - only bigger. The problem with the INEOS Grenadier and other 4x4s is they are very expensive so out of reach for many fans.
I love this car! So nice to see old good things like manual handbrake coming back!
The 450 nm of torque from the engine might seem low, but an 8 speed torque converter gearbox offers low enough gearing, so that what you want is a nice flat torque curve.
Sorry I fell asleep halfway reading through that..
It must be detuned, because in my BMW with the same engine it’s producing 620nm of torque.
@@Theocurrie Exactly, it's tuned for offroad use, which favours low-end torque and high reliability, but of course with a ECU remap you can get to your numbers easily
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will this be available in Canada? Were still under the rulership of the royal family so
I THINK WE DESERVE THE PRIVILEGE OF PURCHASING SUCH A MACHINE
Will you get that noice that the steering makes as standard or is it an extra pricey option😂?
Yeah that would get annoying pretty quickly ... and what's with all the bong noises as well ?
@@dad_jokes_4ever226 Well I hope that all of that will go away with it still being a prototyp. Does look really nice 👌🏾. Hope it doesn’t change much🙂
@@dad_jokes_4ever226 right! I was thinking surely I couldn't be the only one to notice that as well! Maybe just a seat belt warning, as Matt was wearing a harness, not the "standard" belt?
A car that people who want simple have been asking for. I'm happy Sir Jim Radcliffe went ahead with this, good simple car that won't be as big of a pig to drive on the road (Big fan of the old defender but it was dangerous in modern traffic).
Also, the old technology is utilised exceptionally well on this and modern conveniences have been added which in my eyes makes this one of the best cars this year.
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@Macavity I 100% agree with that.
It wasn’t dangerous
BMW parts, the opposite of simple
Or, what simple people have been asking for ..
Is that creaking noise coming from the steering wheel??
Probably. Its a pre-production vehicle, so some things aren't quite ready yet
It's a prototype so it's not as good as the production car.
BMW didn’t work when they owned JLR previously. In fact nearly took them out of business - I’d have a new defender over this any day of the week.
For anyone who has only just discovered this car from Car Wow. Please look at the development and previous videos on this car on other channels from over the last year. Is a seriously impressive machine. Very exciting for the 4X4 market that the new Landy should have been all along.
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For a review that considers the prototype of this vehicle from the perspective of a serious off-roader, have a look at AllOffroad 4x4 Adventures TV. His review identifies several potential shortcomings, including ground clearance, protruding steering damper, ramp over angle and woeful fuel capacity (for touring). Hopefully there are solutions in the pipeline.
But all of those things were some of the(many) flaws that the defender has always had so its completely on brand
I'd love to see an offroad comparison video with the production version of this car and the new Defender. Both on offroad tires!
They both will do exactly the same. Throw new Toyota 4Runner in the mix even. All will perform the same. The difference can cone only in offroad situations where you want to break one of these vehicles. But All the normal offroad trails, all of the 4x4 will do ok.
Both with lockers specified.
..and the old defender, the g-63 (because why not, and then they have pedigree to share after all), and one of the old Land Cruisers too if doable
if the new defender works and drives it will be the same (however they have shitty quality control) -
I feel quite ambivalent about this car. It is clearly a photocopy of the Landrover Defender, which is sort of what you expect from Chinese manufacturers. My biggest problem is that the owner of Ineos is a ‘rabid’ Brexiteer, who lives in Monaco avoiding paying taxes, and decided at the last moment to build it in France - you couldn’t make this up! 🤦🏻♂️
😭😭😭 cry me a river.
Why not find real reasons to complain rather than something that happened years ago. You probably wouldn't support F1 Mercedes team because a German F1 car is sponsored by Brexitier, with an English driver. when will you guys learn to accept the result. move on and stop hating.
Because hypocrisy comes to mind…..Welsh jobs lost!!!!!
@@midlandgeordie evidence? Even a quick Google search shows the Welsh unemployment is lower and lower year on year. Now in terms of pay rises, I would challenge the Welsh Labour government.
@@prjroberts Ineos owns one-third of the British-based Mercedes F1 team. The team principal Toto Wolff owns a third too.
Niceee 😃👍. It's nice to see a new properly off-road style 4X4 among all of these expensive, luxury SUVs (although I do like some of these like the new Defender in 🙂👍).