I've had my Defender TD5 here in the mountains of Portugal for over 15 years and love every troublesome, uncomfortable inch of it. Its taken me places I would never otherwise have been. After all these years, It still makes me smile when I open the garage door. The Grenadier takes the purity of it's DNA, to a level Landrover could never have achieved. I want one so much.
You feel exactly the same as I do. There are a number of folks that simply cannot seem to internalize the gravity of the effort put in to make this all come together. I haven’t been able to drive one myself yet but I have absolutely zero issues waiting for mine for as long as it takes to get it all right straight out of the box. Great content. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
The fact that they were able to pull this off at all is simply amazing. When it was announced, I had my doubts they would ever reach production. But here we are and I can't wait to get mine!
@@LocoCoyote, that’s funny. As soon as I heard about this thing coming, I was pretty psyched up about getting one automatically. I read up about the man behind the project and quickly knew that, yeah, this is absolutely gonna happen. The comment by one of his project managers (I believe it was) said it all. “Jim seems to have an uncanny instinct to hit the bullseye every time. He doesn’t say maybe. It’s either yes or no. If he says yes, you can bet the farm it’s gonna happen.” As soon as they opened taking deposits, I plopped it down right away. Can’t friggin WAIT for these to hit the shores here in the USA. I’m patient and totally get the gravity of an effort of this size. But that doesn’t mean I’m not being a big man baby wanting it right now, lol. I just don’t whine about it, LMAO!!! 🤣🤣👍🏻😎👍🏻
Drove a Trialmaster pre-prod vehicle today for the first time. Loved it. Center diff was locked but didn’t need the rear or front diffs locked. It ate up the terrain, which was the most technical admittedly but still had some challenges. Great acceleration. My favorite surprise was the window armrest. It’s just perfect - flat, wide, perfect height for me.
Worth remembering that Ineos have now said there will be further models - the Grenadier is in some ways only a first attempt and it's a really good start.
The sheer belief is wonderful to see, I have that exact same belief in what Sir Jim and INOES are striving for. It's patently clear from all content released since inception some three or more years ago. Everything points to the outcome you staunchly support, as do I and many others. There are so many cynics and couch-critics out there who just spew negative codswallop without the faintest factual support, sad. If my situation changes but one Iota I will join the queue again without hesitation.
Good video. Thank you. Clear communication with examples of valid experience to support your assertions. Too many people fail to differentiate between explication and explanation, thereby confusing both themselves and their audience.
I love this statement about all the delays: "If it takes another six months, I don't care. I'll wait as long as it takes to get this vehicle because I think it's going to be a spectacular success" - Well said! 👍 I also don't care how long it takes to get my Grenadier delivered, it's worth all the waiting. In the meantime, I'm happy to drive my 2016 D4. And the Grenadier will be way better for sure, a car I'd like to keep for a long time.
Thanks Jeremy. Part of the reason for making this video was for other folks like me who had been patiently waiting. I'm sure Ineos have been affected by the same component supply issues facing other manufacturers. Waiting lists for new cars have become part of the 'the new normal' since Covid. I hope you get yours soon.
Grenadier… a new legend in the making, a synthesis, dare I say in many areas an improvement of the Landrover? …either way, Landrover should be proud for inspiring this well thought through, quality build machine, which in time most likely will become a much loved classic.
I think this is by far the best video commentary made on the Grenadier. If I had any small doubts before, after hearing you speak, with clarity, simplicity, and a lot of passion, those small doubts vanished. I was about to buy a 2012 Galway Green Defender 110 with 120,000 kilometers, I'm still thinking about it, but I went to the dealership to see it up close, touch it, and smell the scents of a new car, the smell of its leather. I'll leave the old Defender aside and become an Ineos customer! I can't understand why Land Rover didn't think (as Porsche has always done with the 911) about modernizing the classic model, making it "drivable" without altering its nature and its iconic look. The new Defender hasn't looked good for a long time! A very poorly done mix between a new Range Rover Sport (another terrifying car) and a new Discovery. This will surely bring many customers to Ineos.
My dad is due to pick his diesel version up at the end of the month in donkey grey but we have yet to actually road test a diesel version 😂. I just said to him price has gone up anyway from when you ordered yours and someone will pay to jump the que so just get it and if you don’t like it sell it within 12 months and you’ll make something just for being interested and having the patience will reward either way 👍🏼🇬🇧
I'm not discussing the Grenadier's performance and off-road capabilities,. In fact, I've never liked it aesthetically, there's something about its shape that doesn't convince me. The 2016 Defender you're driving looks a thousand times better.
On the basis he promoted Brexit promised to build it in the UK then bought an ex mercedes factory in Europe I believe I think it's appalling anyone in the UK would even consider buying one. He should sod off to Singapore with Dyson.
I was onboard with you until you talked about its off-road ability. According to all the measurements (articulation, etc.) it's no longer anything particularly special off-road and well exceeded by many other vehicles right out of the factory. That's because the market of off-roaders has become massively more competitive in the last decade, with _extremely_ high-performance vehicles on offer from several manufacturers. Moreover it's questionable how much its off-road performance can be easily improved with aftermarket parts without doing incredibly serious modifications on the bodywork etc. What I do agree with and fully support is how you characterize it as very capable off road and above all more robustly made than perhaps anything out there. Actually almost certainly more robust than anything we've seen (at least in several decades). Grenadier also has a totally new outlook on "right to repair" for customers with open shop manual availability(?) plus customers able to order parts directly. It seems to me that it's primarily targeted as a particularly robust, off-road capable tow vehicle. With emphasis on tow vehicle! That huge weight is a hindrance elsewhere, but helps when towing. Any young lad whose father has ordered an Ineos Grenadier can expect to be driving it one day with their child in the back.
Bang on review. Such a shame that Gerry decided the new Defender needed to be a luxury SUV, not a through and through utility vehicle. Whilst the ND is hugely capable off road, it’s purpose has completely missed the point. The classic Def hasn’t been the ‘best off roader’ for a generation, so making that the focus of the ND and ignoring the true beauty/USP of the classic (it’s simplicity and adaptability), in favour of an SUV or it could be argued, a true Discovery, was IMHO both wrong - commercially speaking, and ignored 70 years of LR/Defender heritage. Why not build exactly what SJR has with the Grenadier? A ground up, brand new Def for the 21c? All the best bits of other utility 4x4s added to the best bits of the flawed Classic Def. If rumours are to be believed, whilst the ND has sold ‘well’, certainly not brilliantly, it’s mainly done so by pinching sales from Disco/Velar/RRS not by entirely new owners from Audi etc, nor by classic Defender owners choosing the ND as a replacement vehicle. Even in the US market, a LR target market for the Def, sales have come from existing LR SUV owners, despite the market having the largest Utility, off road and modifying market in the world. Imagine what LR would have gained had they focused on that market, but they didn’t. Indeed their target audience is amplified by the frankly horrible 130 that’s just been launched, a clear challenger for the bloated American super SUVs such as the Chevy Tahoe or the GMC Yukon, oversized lumps for a single market. So, their loss is another’s gain, imagine the potential for the Grenadier in the US. What’s more, indeed worse, is that LR didn’t need another SUV. Between LR and Jag they already had 7 SUVs (including the Disco) so why another one? The argument that it was a vehicle that was no longer needed and wouldn’t sell, has been roundly dispelled by the Grenadier. As such, I think LR have shot themselves in the foot. The ND is a Disco in all but name, a capable one at that, but a vehicle that has lost the heart, the soul and the heritage of LR in favour of a vehicle that will in the main be bought by people as a luxury, city based family SUV. What they now look like (black, 22” alloys, tinted windows, slammed, ‘Urban’ specced) as they drive around London has nothing whatsoever to do with what Maurice Wilkes initially designed the Series 1 for. Well done Grenadier, shame on you LR and Gerry McGovern.
Really a great off roader .But unfortunately available only in uk and eu.Must think of selling in India.That make sense to value the market and response .
The company has only just started out, give them a chance to rise. If you live in India why don’t you buy the new defender in India because India now owns British company Jaguar Land Rover, which is why we now see this new vehicle because it was a betrayal selling Jaguar and Land Rover to TATA, instead of keeping it British. Jaguar and Land Rover cars are designed by British designers and engineers but funded by Indian money. We sold out. I hope the new Grenadier crushes Jaguar Land Rover, and TATA loses market share. Many loyal Land Rover drivers are loyal to the bone.
@@lordnass381 What does TATA’s ownership of British company Jaguar Land Rover have to do with Britain’s imperial past? I’ve noticed many Indians who seem bitter about Britain’s colonial past in India forget it was a mutual agreement between Britain and India because Britain didn’t take India’s land by force, it was beneficial for both sides, to do with trade. Many Indians want repatriations or apologies for the past but are selective with the truth, by not acknowledging the good that came from Britain colonising India because Britain helped India industrialise, helping to build trains to transport goods and people. Britains military and navy trained India to have a military of their own, and a navy which has helped India to be independent. India’s democracy is based on Britain’s parliamentary system. And English is now the business language of India, a language that came from Britain. Many Indians come to Britain to study at our world renowned universities for engineering, sciences and to be doctors etc. But you just keep mentioning Britain’s colonial past, don’t you. It must be sad to be bitter my friend. Let go of the past and move on.
How much space did you have for your left foot and how comfortable was it driving for longer period of time? When I tested it, I felt it lacked space in the foot well especially for the left foot, and the seating did not seem to be symmetric and straight on. I wonder if that was a pre-production thing.
I concur. I sat in one just before Christmas, here in Australia. The RHD driver ergonomics are terrible in my opinion. I am almost 6ft tall and my left leg was jammed up between the wheel and the centre console and with no room to move it as my left foot was plonked on the “foot rest” (exhaust intrusion!), in the cabin. At the same time the brake and accelerator pedals are skewed to the right! So you sit cockeyed with left leg locked high and the right leg stretched out to reach the accelerator. All this from a “clean sheet” design is ridiculous. I had one on order but glad I cancelled because it would be a tiresome and uncomfortable position on long drives like we do here in Australia. A damn shame as I liked other aspects on the vehicle ( maybe not so much the small 90L fuel tank). Oh, and the keyed ignition is weirdly on the left side of the steering column so you have to reach around after you get in to start it - and anything hanging of the keys will probably rub your left leg.
I have to say, I didn't notice it on the demonstration drive but I'll know better once I have taken delivery and done a few miles. Also, I sell Classic cars here so unusual ergonomics are my normal life!
I get it and it dose look good. But it’s also become complex and by the sounds of it another vehicle that’s a dealer machine, and also is more expensive than the new defender.. i was also disappointed they chose to produce it out side the uk. Personally im in the market fore a decent 4x4 but has to be cost effective and important to be simple and easy to get most services and mantance done by myself or and by any mechanic or independent. Also if it were priced around 40-50k new it would be easy to stomach especially as a business that runs on 0 debt good or bad but asking around 70k+ on the road that’s too much there is still better second hand options on the market that is less risk and easy to swallow. Ineos reminds my what lr did with the defender in the later years and seems to of fallen to the same issues like making it more complex and focusing on the premium end and it concerns me, that ineos seems to follow a similar path and seems to be another expensive luxury yes rugged 4x4/suv and has strayed from the original brief. But i will wait and see how it preforms in the second hand market in a few years time. In the meantime ill be buying ever another Land Rover product which I don’t like the direction they have gone, but I’ve found owning a far few they have been prity reliable and actually surprisingly easy to work on and a tone of decent specialist that are way better than main dealers. And yes I’ve tried so call reliable brands and had worse reliability issues or no better than my experience. But it’s good there’s competition and we will see.
My biggest disappointment is the light grey pillars and headliner in the interior. I hope at some point Ineos offers an all black interior option. The Landcruiser 79 Series has a similar colour and frankly I think it is hideous and I am not the only one that has wished Toyota would provide an all black interior option.
Pity there is no work vehicles. Big cockup , can't get VAT refunded in UK . So have missed a big market for sales. So it's only a 4x4 car , like the new Defender.
The real question is will it be financially viable? No doubt there’s a market for it, but it’s small. I think it will only stay alive if Ineos continues to cross subsidise it.
Its a good point Graham. With the move away from fossil fuels generally, it is hard to predict how viable the Grenadier will be. However Ineos are very committed to its success and it is a project Jim Ratcliffe is very passionate about.
I think there is enough passion out there for a true follow-on from the traditional Defender. I see the Grenadier steadily gaining traction in sales. They need to keep it as simple and repairable as possible. Perhaps they can break ground like sell most parts through Amazon. If they get some military supply contacts (probably small militaries and special forces first), the sky is the limit!
@@Classicandsportscar1 I think with alternative fuels we are going to see serious back-pedaling since we have got ahead of ourselves here... A certain immutable law dictates that energy cannot be created from nothing, but only transferred from one form into another. That 'transferral' process is where the issue is. Availing of electric energy to the EVs that will in-turn generate the wanted kinetic energy is where the problem lies and so there will simply be insufficient movement on the roads with a hard EV-only policy. Unless and until they can perfect a way of transmitting power and charging through electric flux (which I can't see happening for decades), we will need to rely on physical transmission lines. The electric grids are woefully inadequate, even for traditional uses. If you consider that EV charging times will be simultaneous for most of the public, the problem is exacerbated with overloaded lines, voltage drops, fires and black-outs. Unless they are happy to see a transport crisis and economic destruction, it's inevitable that you are going to see ICE powered vehicles, especially bigger cars and towing vehicles, for several decades to come. Politicians will be forced to concede to significant postponements of their deadlines banning ICE-powered vehicles. All the irrational exuberance about alternative energy transportation will be significantly muted!
Check the Lowball hight .I notice that you use a drop plate on the Land Rover 110 You CAN"T use one on the grenadier they have not thought of people who tow 4 wheel trailers. You are unable to use a 2" receiver because of "European" regs
The Grenadier is everything the Defender should have been. JLR dropped the ball…..badly and the new Defender is no Land Rover. The queue for the Grenadier is proof.
Although I am not in the market for this type of vehicle I would not buy one as a matter of principal. Production was promised by a Brexit supporting Jim Ratcliffe in South Wales. He then abandoned his morals and went on to build it in France. OK there's an economic argument but he abandoned his own principals and lost my respect.
I see your point but I actually think if he'd gone for Wales, we would not have seen production until 2025. Given the changes in our world since 2020 perhaps it would never had been built.
@Clovis Point why is it dumb though?They are selling more than 20,000 of em per year. I read somewhere that its the most selling model. As long as they make money and sales dont take a toll its not a bad decision.
The defender literally became illegal to sell as a road car in many markets. Land rover had a choice between modifying it to comply with regulations or stop making it.
I am getting a little bored of this Grenadier is the Second Coming of the Defender agenda. It has already failed to meet it’s original brief of tough simplicity. You better hope that an engine sensor fails or an ecu goes on the blink when you are near one of those BMW service centres to be found all over the outback and the Kalahari. Today there were 16 Landrovers parked in my UK village street, tellingly none were current models and half were Defenders. I doubt any of the owners are eying up the Grenadier as their next purchase. Grenadier is an expensive wrong answer for those needing a basic, easy to maintain workhorse that has stolen Defenders iconic shape to give itself credibility. I am sure that it will prove a great vehicle for those who can afford it but more a plaything for the monied than a workhorse for everyday folk living in the countryside.
It definitely won't be a plaything for us. One of our 110s did 100,000 miles, at least half of it towing. Interestingly it managed that on one set of BF Goodrich tyres! Thanks for commenting Bob.
@@Classicandsportscar1 With respect, you don’t look short of a bob or two and will probably write off some of the cost as a business purchase. My point is that this is not a no frills affordable transport for country dwellers and farmers as old Defender was designed to be and cannot be fixed in a barn or down your local mechanic’s workshop. I hope Ineos and your business prosper but please don’t pretend this is the accessible working vehicle we were promised.
@@bobroberts6155 you voted for politicians who made mechanically controlled engines illegal. Then you are here crying about companies following rules you voted for at gunpoint. If ineos were to sell a "simple" car with volkswagen esque means of achieving compliance with regulations (the one you voted for) you would be here crying about that as well.
@@blegi1245 Why the belligerent tone? I think the writing is in the wall for all IC engines as we pursue unrealistic carbon zero targets, I have no idea why you think I voted for this or want it. Just saying that an upgraded Defender that was a bit less drafty, had a decent heater, a bit more elbow room and a less bouncy ride was all we really needed, not a complex beast with an aircraft style cockpit. Sorry if my opinion has you frothing at the mouth, chill.
Totally agree with you, my experience with INEOS customer service has been polite but content free and literally no use to man nor beast. With regards to the video, whilst nicely put together, definitely done on the request of Jim - so, much like the INEOS customer services team is also….
It should be called the "Gendarme " Not the Grenadier... Its French built.. As the Land Rover is Slovakian.. I'd rather have an old Defender, a true British icon.. Alll day long.... 💙 ✌ 🇬🇧
@@Classicandsportscar1 Then buy a Classic Citroen.. Or a "real" Defender... Not a cheap foreign copy of a British Classic.. Just pretending to be British..
Well… Love the design of the Grenadier … the tech and some the features are just marvelous ideas, like the windows above each front seat. The split tailgate … The already attached roof ladder or the Airline mounting brackets on the side of the car. However… It remains to be seen and tested in real live, as soon as it gets out there … and what always gets ME laughing is the fact that … It was proposed by a staunch supporter of Brexit … the Murdoch press made a big fuss about the new car until … Until that is, they found out that it will be actually be build in Europe 🇪🇺 In France 🇫🇷 mind you of all places within a former Mercedes Benz Factory 😂 Never mind of course that BMW and ZF are providing the major components of the car in the first place… 😅 And INDEOS themselves said it is the fact that the single market has better access to staff, production line priority’s and … last not least … better access to their respective customers … Oh my oh my … I was laughing so hard when I bread the news … If only the Brexiteers put their money where their mouth is … 😂😂😂
I see your point. Built in Hambach as opposed to the original plan for a plant in Wales. I can see the logic though. Ineos got the opportunity to buy one of the most modern car manufacturing plants in Europe - where the Smart car was produced. Immediate access to a highly skilled experienced workforce and state of the art production facilities.
And where’s Land Rover building it’s new defender and discovery… Slovakia and that’s thanks to the European Union and it’s £110millon sweetener! All that history of the Defender being built in lode lane and all gone thanks to the dictatorship you love so much! They even tried to take my job from me which has more history than Land Rover! Try 500 plus years.. but the these globalist bastards don’t care about that do they!
@@gertscheper9653 basically it was a ready made factory in France near the German border.. it would be foolish to build it in the UK given the amount of parts used on this truck which come from Europe and a factory ready to go…even the engine is BMW! Personally I don’t agree with it and it would stop me from buying one on this alone.
You are claiming that the Ineos Grenadier is the worlds best 4x4 and worlds best tow vehicle and worlds best off roader. Bold claims. Bold claims indeed. I should think that the Toyota Land Cruiser might have something to say about this. A few years will have to pass by to see how this might all pan out, I will be interested to see how we are looking circa 2026 - 2027 era approx. I am interested in purchasing an Ineos Grenadier and / or Toyota Land Cruiser.
No thanks. Nothing beats the new Defender 130. Feels like a limo and tough as 12 rhinos. Packed with 3D cameras, active and reactive AI powered protective systems.
@@Classicandsportscar1 most have mentioned it, I think the LHD models might be better. Wonder if they will issue a mod, as I know of three cancellations because of it.
Been a Jeeper for 40+ years but have lately felt it’s slowly been evolving into more a toy than a proper utility vehicle. The Grenadier by contrast strikes me as much more the sort of “adventure vehicle” that can get me through the last decades of me life, so I, like you, don’t mind waiting a little longer for it.
‘Evolved into a toy?’ Really? Give me a break. I’ve owned Jeeps from the the 1940s models to current and the new ones are the most capable ever produced.
Having watched all of the reviews, I was finally able to sit in one here in Australia. The hump on the floor beneath my let foot was annoying, and being 188cms tall would become uncomfortable on a long journey. The engineering on the drivers side windscreen wiper is reminiscent of a series 1 Land Rover. Surely the could have designed the pivot point so that the wiper blade cleaned right up to the A pillar. I don't like the position of the speedometer, and perhaps a Heads Up Display would have been better. Time will tell if it is successful.
I really enjoyed that ! I’ve been following the Ineos story closely and maybe one day in the position to buy one . I look forward to seeing a video of your one and how it gets on in everyday use . Once again great video
Enjoyed the video. Not purely for the fact I have one on order but because we share a similar enthusiasm for the concept of the vehicle. I too have a Defender which I will probably sell on receipt of the Grenadier. The aging design of the Defender is now catching up with aches and pains of my aging body.
We also have a new Defender 110. Great vehicle but it will not be our principal 'tow car'. Soon I'll be doing a direct comparison - Old and new Defender with the Grenadier.
Biggest disappointment is that there are no driver gauges. Hey designers, human beings have eyes in front of their heads. This stupid electric car movement to put an Ipad in the middle of the dashboard and call it a day is ridiculous.
Hi there, you talk about outstanding „customer experience“ because you received a video of your vehicle with the exact specifications instead of a real physical car. You are waiting since months for delivery of your car but you are still extremely happy with INEOS? And you willing to wait „as long as it takes“! You are a very, very loyal customer! I am impressed!
Great discussion and why the Grenadier. I have the last of the Defenders here in AU and definitely keeping it. I really love the Grenadier and the concept but unfortunately it is outside my price range. Oh and the Landrover these days is just another luxury car company and no original heritage left in it. Cheers
Man, I love the old Defender as much as anyone. But one thing you can't claim about them, is that they are comfortable to drive. Sure, there is a lot of after market stuff you can do to make them better, but they will always remain somewhat cramped and uncomfortable. This, gives the old Defender's toughness with a level of comfort not available on that platform...
Thanks for your comment, you made me smile! Many years ago I got an unexpected commendation from the Police for volunteering my 110 to rescue people stranded in the worst snow storm for many years. For many hours I drove my 12-seater 110 300Tdi up and down snow covered hills taking people home who were stuck outdoors in terrible weather, some needing essential medicines. Whatever people's views on reliability (often justified because of modern electronics reliability) there is nothing I'd trust more than my old Defenders to get me anywhere. ....... until the Grenadier!
@@rorymundy1790 , your comment made me smile as well. Another one that I hear quite often ( I’m a Land Rover owner) is. Land Rover turning motorists into mechanics for 70 years. (That should be changed to 75 years)
Ineos may be upping the service levels, but the arrogant other manufacturers will just become more arrogant. I hope Ineos keep up their standards. I will be looking at one in South Africa.
Is there concern of parts availability. I would be concerned if anything broke that Ineos would keep the parts for new units over service/repairs. Has anyone had experience of this yet?
It was interesting listening to your advertisement for INEOS Grenadier, sorry did I mean video! You ask the question, is it Worth the Wait? The answer for me was NO. What surprises me was the customer service you said you had from INEOS. Because my experience was very different. I contacted INEOS, and two of their agents. All of which directed me back to the website, as someone who has dyslexia, That was about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike! In the almost three years I have waited for INEOS to call me back. I have bought three new Land Rover Defenders and a Range Rover sport. Land Rover may not be the best product in the world. But the salespeople know how to sell, and they return calls and follow up on inquiries
I certainly hadn't seen the video as an advertisement for the Grenadier - just an opinion from an industry professional who happens to be both a long-term Land Rover customer and now one of Ineos. Sorry your own experience wasn't good. Thanks for commenting though.
I agree with you , it is worth the wait, I was in the vehicle industry in Canada back in the late 80's-90's and totally enjoyed my time i was with a dealership that sold Jaguar,Land Rover and Volvo, it was not uncommon for a customer to order their vehicle and wait a few months for it to be built and delivered and most often these buyers were long term repeat owners of these same cars, and often bought their children or elderly parents a new car to have a peace of mind and no problems with an older vehicle, the Grenadier is built on the premise for a solidly built reliable vehicle without an owner worrying about it while working or on holidays with it, I am in Canada and know it will be awhile before they are sold here, which is fine by me and allows me to save up a larger deposit for it, like my Volvo 240 , it is purpose built and reliable and I will definitely order the manuals that'll be available to me, great video 👍
We're in Canada as well. I order vehicles because they never have what I want on lots. We were waiting for the Defender then after seeing disappointing previews went eirh a Wrangler and last year the wife got a Velar. Now waiting for the Grenadier to land here.
I've had my Defender TD5 here in the mountains of Portugal for over 15 years and love every troublesome, uncomfortable inch of it. Its taken me places I would never otherwise have been. After all these years, It still makes me smile when I open the garage door. The Grenadier takes the purity of it's DNA, to a level Landrover could never have achieved. I want one so much.
Thank you Ian. I'll be picking up ours on Monday. Watch this space!
You feel exactly the same as I do. There are a number of folks that simply cannot seem to internalize the gravity of the effort put in to make this all come together. I haven’t been able to drive one myself yet but I have absolutely zero issues waiting for mine for as long as it takes to get it all right straight out of the box. Great content. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
The fact that they were able to pull this off at all is simply amazing. When it was announced, I had my doubts they would ever reach production. But here we are and I can't wait to get mine!
Thanks. Huge effort has gone into this project, you're absolutely right.
@@LocoCoyote, that’s funny. As soon as I heard about this thing coming, I was pretty psyched up about getting one automatically. I read up about the man behind the project and quickly knew that, yeah, this is absolutely gonna happen. The comment by one of his project managers (I believe it was) said it all. “Jim seems to have an uncanny instinct to hit the bullseye every time. He doesn’t say maybe. It’s either yes or no. If he says yes, you can bet the farm it’s gonna happen.” As soon as they opened taking deposits, I plopped it down right away. Can’t friggin WAIT for these to hit the shores here in the USA. I’m patient and totally get the gravity of an effort of this size. But that doesn’t mean I’m not being a big man baby wanting it right now, lol. I just don’t whine about it, LMAO!!! 🤣🤣👍🏻😎👍🏻
Drove a Trialmaster pre-prod vehicle today for the first time. Loved it. Center diff was locked but didn’t need the rear or front diffs locked. It ate up the terrain, which was the most technical admittedly but still had some challenges. Great acceleration. My favorite surprise was the window armrest. It’s just perfect - flat, wide, perfect height for me.
It is incredibly challenging but satisfying 😊
Worth remembering that Ineos have now said there will be further models - the Grenadier is in some ways only a first attempt and it's a really good start.
yes, I believe a smaller 4x4 is planned
The sheer belief is wonderful to see, I have that exact same belief in what Sir Jim and INOES are striving for. It's patently clear from all content released since inception some three or more years ago. Everything points to the outcome you staunchly support, as do I and many others. There are so many cynics and couch-critics out there who just spew negative codswallop without the faintest factual support, sad. If my situation changes but one Iota I will join the queue again without hesitation.
Great comment - thanks
Your patience and calmness in addressing comments is truly impressive!
That's kind Thomas - thanks
Good video. Thank you. Clear communication with examples of valid experience to support your assertions. Too many people fail to differentiate between explication and explanation, thereby confusing both themselves and their audience.
I appreciate that!
Agree 100%. I will wait and see before buying, but it's definitely on the wishlist.
Hi expectations from lots of people I think
@@Classicandsportscar1
I think it is expectations of build quality of RangeRover know and it is very very low
I love this statement about all the delays: "If it takes another six months, I don't care. I'll wait as long as it takes to get this vehicle because I think it's going to be a spectacular success" - Well said! 👍
I also don't care how long it takes to get my Grenadier delivered, it's worth all the waiting. In the meantime, I'm happy to drive my 2016 D4. And the Grenadier will be way better for sure, a car I'd like to keep for a long time.
Thanks Dieter. I think a lot of people expect to keep this new Grenadier 4x4 for a long time. I hope you get yours soon.
Agree, it’s certainly a long term vehicle for most 👍🏻
Mine is also on order and I have high hopes for before the end of the month. I sold my '89 LR110CSW last August, so the wait is beginning to grate.
Thanks Jeremy. Part of the reason for making this video was for other folks like me who had been patiently waiting. I'm sure Ineos have been affected by the same component supply issues facing other manufacturers. Waiting lists for new cars have become part of the 'the new normal' since Covid. I hope you get yours soon.
Awesome content as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks
Grenadier… a new legend in the making, a synthesis, dare I say in many areas an improvement of the Landrover? …either way, Landrover should be proud for inspiring this well thought through, quality build machine, which in time most likely will become a much loved classic.
I agree. Thanks for your comment.
Great video and great rationale. Really like your logic and I completely agree. I’m happy to wait a bit longer for my Grenadier too.
Thank you so much - makes the effort worthwhile!
I think this is by far the best video commentary made on the Grenadier. If I had any small doubts before, after hearing you speak, with clarity, simplicity, and a lot of passion, those small doubts vanished. I was about to buy a 2012 Galway Green Defender 110 with 120,000 kilometers, I'm still thinking about it, but I went to the dealership to see it up close, touch it, and smell the scents of a new car, the smell of its leather. I'll leave the old Defender aside and become an Ineos customer! I can't understand why Land Rover didn't think (as Porsche has always done with the 911) about modernizing the classic model, making it "drivable" without altering its nature and its iconic look. The new Defender hasn't looked good for a long time! A very poorly done mix between a new Range Rover Sport (another terrifying car) and a new Discovery. This will surely bring many customers to Ineos.
My dad is due to pick his diesel version up at the end of the month in donkey grey but we have yet to actually road test a diesel version 😂. I just said to him price has gone up anyway from when you ordered yours and someone will pay to jump the que so just get it and if you don’t like it sell it within 12 months and you’ll make something just for being interested and having the patience will reward either way 👍🏼🇬🇧
I drove the diesel and was very impressed. I don't think your Dad will be disappointed.
@@Classicandsportscar1
Took delivery of it 2 weeks ago other than a mistake with the registration plate he’s over the moon with it.
Dad's a traitor
Shouldn't that be the tricolore, made in France.
A huge amount of pure faith in a product you don't have yet!
We have it - see yesterdays' vido
wow the fairey on the trailer! 8.38
It was the 1961 Earls Court Show Fairey Huntress. We had great fun with it in Scotland. vimeo.com/296214602
Really enjoyed watching this and listening to your experiences.
Thanks Michael. Glad you enjoyed it!
I'd love to see them enter one in the Dakar rally.
Now that would be a test!
Do they have enough of them to do such a thing?
Look forward to a video when you have your Grenadier in service which I hope you’ll do.
Thank You Nick. Yes, it is something we plan to do. We may have the Grenadier late in March. Can't wait!
There will be early teething problems , that is normal , but i am confident everything will be resolved fast .
Lets hope so
This vehicle should have been built in the UK.
It would have been great.
Why would a Brexshitter harm his own company by building outside the Single Market? Oh, wait...
Please can we get a follow-up video to see what your impressions are of the vehicle, which has presumably now been delivered.
I'm not discussing the Grenadier's performance and off-road capabilities,. In fact, I've never liked it aesthetically, there's something about its shape that doesn't convince me. The 2016 Defender you're driving looks a thousand times better.
Thanks. It is growing on me. My least favourite view is the rear, but the interior is rather good.
Why would you want electric seat controls, heater controls, etc. in any car?
All great when they work, but a nightmare when they don't!
On the basis he promoted Brexit promised to build it in the UK then bought an ex mercedes factory in Europe I believe I think it's appalling anyone in the UK would even consider buying one. He should sod off to Singapore with Dyson.
Agreed, all acting patriotic and true to the heritage ideal then orgasm over a vehicle that is a British as a fucking Renault
And yet there's a waiting list- and Dyson are still amongst the best appliances.
@@Classicandsportscar1 a small number over a very long period
I was onboard with you until you talked about its off-road ability. According to all the measurements (articulation, etc.) it's no longer anything particularly special off-road and well exceeded by many other vehicles right out of the factory. That's because the market of off-roaders has become massively more competitive in the last decade, with _extremely_ high-performance vehicles on offer from several manufacturers. Moreover it's questionable how much its off-road performance can be easily improved with aftermarket parts without doing incredibly serious modifications on the bodywork etc.
What I do agree with and fully support is how you characterize it as very capable off road and above all more robustly made than perhaps anything out there. Actually almost certainly more robust than anything we've seen (at least in several decades). Grenadier also has a totally new outlook on "right to repair" for customers with open shop manual availability(?) plus customers able to order parts directly. It seems to me that it's primarily targeted as a particularly robust, off-road capable tow vehicle. With emphasis on tow vehicle! That huge weight is a hindrance elsewhere, but helps when towing.
Any young lad whose father has ordered an Ineos Grenadier can expect to be driving it one day with their child in the back.
Thank you for your excellent comment!
Have you since recieved the vehicle? Great video!
What’s wrong with the new Defender then?
New Defender is a great vehicle. We have one in the family. Not a utility vehicle though. It is a great successor to the Discovery4 IMO
Talking about a Grenadier whilst driving a Defender, comical 😂
Glad you enjoyed the video. The legendary Defender is part of the story
I would never consider a LR product. But I suspect I will buy a Grenadier.
I hope you get yours soon
Bang on review. Such a shame that Gerry decided the new Defender needed to be a luxury SUV, not a through and through utility vehicle. Whilst the ND is hugely capable off road, it’s purpose has completely missed the point.
The classic Def hasn’t been the ‘best off roader’ for a generation, so making that the focus of the ND and ignoring the true beauty/USP of the classic (it’s simplicity and adaptability), in favour of an SUV or it could be argued, a true Discovery, was IMHO both wrong - commercially speaking, and ignored 70 years of LR/Defender heritage.
Why not build exactly what SJR has with the Grenadier? A ground up, brand new Def for the 21c? All the best bits of other utility 4x4s added to the best bits of the flawed Classic Def. If rumours are to be believed, whilst the ND has sold ‘well’, certainly not brilliantly, it’s mainly done so by pinching sales from Disco/Velar/RRS not by entirely new owners from Audi etc, nor by classic Defender owners choosing the ND as a replacement vehicle.
Even in the US market, a LR target market for the Def, sales have come from existing LR SUV owners, despite the market having the largest Utility, off road and modifying market in the world. Imagine what LR would have gained had they focused on that market, but they didn’t. Indeed their target audience is amplified by the frankly horrible 130 that’s just been launched, a clear challenger for the bloated American super SUVs such as the Chevy Tahoe or the GMC Yukon, oversized lumps for a single market. So, their loss is another’s gain, imagine the potential for the Grenadier in the US.
What’s more, indeed worse, is that LR didn’t need another SUV. Between LR and Jag they already had 7 SUVs (including the Disco) so why another one? The argument that it was a vehicle that was no longer needed and wouldn’t sell, has been roundly dispelled by the Grenadier.
As such, I think LR have shot themselves in the foot. The ND is a Disco in all but name, a capable one at that, but a vehicle that has lost the heart, the soul and the heritage of LR in favour of a vehicle that will in the main be bought by people as a luxury, city based family SUV. What they now look like (black, 22” alloys, tinted windows, slammed, ‘Urban’ specced) as they drive around London has nothing whatsoever to do with what Maurice Wilkes initially designed the Series 1 for.
Well done Grenadier, shame on you LR and Gerry McGovern.
What a very thoughtful and interesting post. Well said!
Well good luck with it!
Thanks. Lets hope I don't need it!
Really a great off roader .But unfortunately available only in uk and eu.Must think of selling in India.That make sense to value the market and response .
I agree
The company has only just started out, give them a chance to rise. If you live in India why don’t you buy the new defender in India because India now owns British company Jaguar Land Rover, which is why we now see this new vehicle because it was a betrayal selling Jaguar and Land Rover to TATA, instead of keeping it British. Jaguar and Land Rover cars are designed by British designers and engineers but funded by Indian money. We sold out. I hope the new Grenadier crushes Jaguar Land Rover, and TATA loses market share. Many loyal Land Rover drivers are loyal to the bone.
@@lg_believe333 oh no, maybe the bigger betrayal was Britain colonising india?
@@lordnass381 What does TATA’s ownership of British company Jaguar Land Rover have to do with Britain’s imperial past? I’ve noticed many Indians who seem bitter about Britain’s colonial past in India forget it was a mutual agreement between Britain and India because Britain didn’t take India’s land by force, it was beneficial for both sides, to do with trade. Many Indians want repatriations or apologies for the past but are selective with the truth, by not acknowledging the good that came from Britain colonising India because Britain helped India industrialise, helping to build trains to transport goods and people. Britains military and navy trained India to have a military of their own, and a navy which has helped India to be independent. India’s democracy is based on Britain’s parliamentary system. And English is now the business language of India, a language that came from Britain. Many Indians come to Britain to study at our world renowned universities for engineering, sciences and to be doctors etc. But you just keep mentioning Britain’s colonial past, don’t you. It must be sad to be bitter my friend. Let go of the past and move on.
Good video really enjoyed this. Will you give us a review of your grenadier when you get it?
Many thanks. Yes I plan to do an initial first impressions one, then a longer term report
This dude needs a Chevrolet Silverado ZR2. Proper offloader, absolutely the best tow rig...
Great off-roader but almost as wide as some rural English roads!
@Classic & Sportscar Centre They do have lorries, no?
I’d be interested to know if you’ve specified petrol or diesel
We opted for the Diesel variant. We need the extra torque
Is this the vehicle Radcliffe said he was going to build in post Brexit, UK.
Yes that's the one
Who wants the Ineos Grenadier? Every Australian!
So it seems!
very good video!
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How much space did you have for your left foot and how comfortable was it driving for longer period of time? When I tested it, I felt it lacked space in the foot well especially for the left foot, and the seating did not seem to be symmetric and straight on. I wonder if that was a pre-production thing.
I concur. I sat in one just before Christmas, here in Australia. The RHD driver ergonomics are terrible in my opinion. I am almost 6ft tall and my left leg was jammed up between the wheel and the centre console and with no room to move it as my left foot was plonked on the “foot rest” (exhaust intrusion!), in the cabin. At the same time the brake and accelerator pedals are skewed to the right! So you sit cockeyed with left leg locked high and the right leg stretched out to reach the accelerator. All this from a “clean sheet” design is ridiculous. I had one on order but glad I cancelled because it would be a tiresome and uncomfortable position on long drives like we do here in Australia. A damn shame as I liked other aspects on the vehicle ( maybe not so much the small 90L fuel tank). Oh, and the keyed ignition is weirdly on the left side of the steering column so you have to reach around after you get in to start it - and anything hanging of the keys will probably rub your left leg.
I have to say, I didn't notice it on the demonstration drive but I'll know better once I have taken delivery and done a few miles. Also, I sell Classic cars here so unusual ergonomics are my normal life!
@@Classicandsportscar1 Indeed. Own a 964 for a few years and then relax into any cabin! At least that was my experience.
Yes !! ❤❤
in my bucket list 🤩
Hopefully you'll have one soon!
Why not the G Wagon. Too expensive?
We'll be doing a comparison with a new one in the coming weeks. Great 4x4 but £140K - ouch!
I get it and it dose look good. But it’s also become complex and by the sounds of it another vehicle that’s a dealer machine, and also is more expensive than the new defender.. i was also disappointed they chose to produce it out side the uk. Personally im in the market fore a decent 4x4 but has to be cost effective and important to be simple and easy to get most services and mantance done by myself or and by any mechanic or independent. Also if it were priced around 40-50k new it would be easy to stomach especially as a business that runs on 0 debt good or bad but asking around 70k+ on the road that’s too much there is still better second hand options on the market that is less risk and easy to swallow. Ineos reminds my what lr did with the defender in the later years and seems to of fallen to the same issues like making it more complex and focusing on the premium end and it concerns me, that ineos seems to follow a similar path and seems to be another expensive luxury yes rugged 4x4/suv and has strayed from the original brief. But i will wait and see how it preforms in the second hand market in a few years time. In the meantime ill be buying ever another Land Rover product which I don’t like the direction they have gone, but I’ve found owning a far few they have been prity reliable and actually surprisingly easy to work on and a tone of decent specialist that are way better than main dealers. And yes I’ve tried so call reliable brands and had worse reliability issues or no better than my experience. But it’s good there’s competition and we will see.
My biggest disappointment is the light grey pillars and headliner in the interior. I hope at some point Ineos offers an all black interior option.
The Landcruiser 79 Series has a similar colour and frankly I think it is hideous and I am not the only one that has wished Toyota would provide an all black interior option.
Perhaps we'll see other options in time
Pity there is no work vehicles. Big cockup , can't get VAT refunded in UK . So have missed a big market for sales. So it's only a 4x4 car , like the new Defender.
Nothing on the horizon yet
Nice and great…
Thanks
The real question is will it be financially viable? No doubt there’s a market for it, but it’s small. I think it will only stay alive if Ineos continues to cross subsidise it.
Its a good point Graham. With the move away from fossil fuels generally, it is hard to predict how viable the Grenadier will be. However Ineos are very committed to its success and it is a project Jim Ratcliffe is very passionate about.
I think there is enough passion out there for a true follow-on from the traditional Defender. I see the Grenadier steadily gaining traction in sales. They need to keep it as simple and repairable as possible. Perhaps they can break ground like sell most parts through Amazon. If they get some military supply contacts (probably small militaries and special forces first), the sky is the limit!
@@Classicandsportscar1 I think with alternative fuels we are going to see serious back-pedaling since we have got ahead of ourselves here... A certain immutable law dictates that energy cannot be created from nothing, but only transferred from one form into another. That 'transferral' process is where the issue is. Availing of electric energy to the EVs that will in-turn generate the wanted kinetic energy is where the problem lies and so there will simply be insufficient movement on the roads with a hard EV-only policy.
Unless and until they can perfect a way of transmitting power and charging through electric flux (which I can't see happening for decades), we will need to rely on physical transmission lines.
The electric grids are woefully inadequate, even for traditional uses. If you consider that EV charging times will be simultaneous for most of the public, the problem is exacerbated with overloaded lines, voltage drops, fires and black-outs.
Unless they are happy to see a transport crisis and economic destruction, it's inevitable that you are going to see ICE powered vehicles, especially bigger cars and towing vehicles, for several decades to come. Politicians will be forced to concede to significant postponements of their deadlines banning ICE-powered vehicles. All the irrational exuberance about alternative energy transportation will be significantly muted!
Check the Lowball hight .I notice that you use a drop plate on the Land Rover 110 You CAN"T use one on the grenadier they have not thought of people who tow 4 wheel trailers.
You are unable to use a 2" receiver because of "European" regs
Good point.
@@Classicandsportscar1 I haven’t found one yeti
Demo vehicles have just hit the shores of America. I have a test drive and my first in person look at the Grenadier this Saturday.
Land Rover DEFENDER
Thank You!
The Grenadier is everything the Defender should have been. JLR dropped the ball…..badly and the new Defender is no Land Rover. The queue for the Grenadier is proof.
Thanks for posting. Watch out for my next Grenadier video shortly. There's a new Defender alongside the Grenadier
Ineos lives in the 20th century ?
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Although I am not in the market for this type of vehicle I would not buy one as a matter of principal. Production was promised by a Brexit supporting Jim Ratcliffe in South Wales. He then abandoned his morals and went on to build it in France. OK there's an economic argument but he abandoned his own principals and lost my respect.
I see your point but I actually think if he'd gone for Wales, we would not have seen production until 2025.
Given the changes in our world since 2020 perhaps it would never had been built.
For same money I get the troopy 4.2 diesel fully fitted for overland
Very capable vehicle
@@Classicandsportscar1 my neighbour have this inios in black it look amazing ❤️❤️
The greatest mistake Land Rover will ever have made is ending production of the Defender.
Thanks for your comment. There are a lot of customers who still want a chassis-built workhorse like the old Defender.
@Clovis Point why is it dumb though?They are selling more than 20,000 of em per year. I read somewhere that its the most selling model. As long as they make money and sales dont take a toll its not a bad decision.
The defender literally became illegal to sell as a road car in many markets. Land rover had a choice between modifying it to comply with regulations or stop making it.
@@blegi1245 Precisely. Land Rover had a choice, and then they came up with, The Pretender.
Except the new defender is selling in big numbers, so I’m sure they are happy.
What about the Land Cruiser? Obvious tow vehicle available today
Incredibly reliable.
@@Classicandsportscar1 Toyota all day long . The others are just for badge snobbery
They need to honour warranty work at LEVC
Not sure I understand
Why sell a Land Rover with only 40k on the clock? It makes a bit of a nonsense of looking for longevity and durability in a replacement surely ….
We're not selling it. Our Land Rover is worth £10,000 more than we paid 7 years ago and we want to keep it low miles.
We need a pick up truck version for snow plowing and other things here in the USA the big mfg,s have forgotten about us working guys
I think INEOS are planning a pickup
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You sound like you're not just waiting for your vehicle but waiting to set up your own dealership as well.
Those days are gone for me! Happy to be a Classic car retailer instead.
@@Classicandsportscar1 Good for you mate!
I am getting a little bored of this Grenadier is the Second Coming of the Defender agenda. It has already failed to meet it’s original brief of tough simplicity. You better hope that an engine sensor fails or an ecu goes on the blink when you are near one of those BMW service centres to be found all over the outback and the Kalahari. Today there were 16 Landrovers parked in my UK village street, tellingly none were current models and half were Defenders. I doubt any of the owners are eying up the Grenadier as their next purchase. Grenadier is an expensive wrong answer for those needing a basic, easy to maintain workhorse that has stolen Defenders iconic shape to give itself credibility. I am sure that it will prove a great vehicle for those who can afford it but more a plaything for the monied than a workhorse for everyday folk living in the countryside.
It definitely won't be a plaything for us. One of our 110s did 100,000 miles, at least half of it towing. Interestingly it managed that on one set of BF Goodrich tyres! Thanks for commenting Bob.
@@Classicandsportscar1 With respect, you don’t look short of a bob or two and will probably write off some of the cost as a business purchase. My point is that this is not a no frills affordable transport for country dwellers and farmers as old Defender was designed to be and cannot be fixed in a barn or down your local mechanic’s workshop. I hope Ineos and your business prosper but please don’t pretend this is the accessible working vehicle we were promised.
@@bobroberts6155 you voted for politicians who made mechanically controlled engines illegal. Then you are here crying about companies following rules you voted for at gunpoint. If ineos were to sell a "simple" car with volkswagen esque means of achieving compliance with regulations (the one you voted for) you would be here crying about that as well.
@@blegi1245 Why the belligerent tone? I think the writing is in the wall for all IC engines as we pursue unrealistic carbon zero targets, I have no idea why you think I voted for this or want it. Just saying that an upgraded Defender that was a bit less drafty, had a decent heater, a bit more elbow room and a less bouncy ride was all we really needed, not a complex beast with an aircraft style cockpit. Sorry if my opinion has you frothing at the mouth, chill.
Totally agree with you, my experience with INEOS customer service has been polite but content free and literally no use to man nor beast. With regards to the video, whilst nicely put together, definitely done on the request of Jim - so, much like the INEOS customer services team is also….
Jim Radcliffe. The patriot who said we would be better off out of Europe and then sets up his factory in France. I wouldn't touch one of his cars.
I don't suppose we'd have seen them made before 2026 if Jim Ratcliffe hadn't done the deal on the Smart factory
Bmw shift gear
Yes it is -well spotted!
It should be called the "Gendarme "
Not the Grenadier...
Its French built..
As the Land Rover is Slovakian..
I'd rather have an old Defender,
a true British icon..
Alll day long.... 💙 ✌ 🇬🇧
The Citroen DS was also French. What a car in its day! They have some brilliant innovative engineers.
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Then buy a Classic Citroen..
Or a "real" Defender...
Not a cheap foreign copy
of a British Classic..
Just pretending to be British..
Never replace Defender while it's built in France German border
A UK factory would have been preferred but then we might have waited for years.
Well…
Love the design of the Grenadier … the tech and some the features are just marvelous ideas, like the windows above each front seat.
The split tailgate …
The already attached roof ladder or the Airline mounting brackets on the side of the car.
However…
It remains to be seen and tested in real live, as soon as it gets out there … and what always gets ME laughing is the fact that …
It was proposed by a staunch supporter of Brexit … the Murdoch press made a big fuss about the new car until …
Until that is, they found out that it will be actually be build in Europe 🇪🇺
In France 🇫🇷 mind you of all places within a former Mercedes Benz Factory 😂
Never mind of course that BMW and ZF are providing the major components of the car in the first place… 😅
And INDEOS themselves said it is the fact that the single market has better access to staff, production line priority’s and … last not least … better access to their respective customers …
Oh my oh my …
I was laughing so hard when I bread the news …
If only the Brexiteers put their money where their mouth is … 😂😂😂
Its a topic of much debate
@@Classicandsportscar1
I can imagine 😜
just get the toyota or an mercedes g wagon the grenadier has an bmw engine
....and our Land Rover had a Ford engine. G Wagon is almost double the price.
Where is it built?
Welcome to the Brexit sir, I am sorry.
I see your point. Built in Hambach as opposed to the original plan for a plant in Wales. I can see the logic though. Ineos got the opportunity to buy one of the most modern car manufacturing plants in Europe - where the Smart car was produced. Immediate access to a highly skilled experienced workforce and state of the art production facilities.
@@Classicandsportscar1 and within the EU. ( something with origin rules)
The guy is an asehole.
And where’s Land Rover building it’s new defender and discovery… Slovakia and that’s thanks to the European Union and it’s £110millon sweetener!
All that history of the Defender being built in lode lane and all gone thanks to the dictatorship you love so much! They even tried to take my job from me which has more history than Land Rover! Try 500 plus years.. but the these globalist bastards don’t care about that do they!
@@PillSharks we hold all the cards ?
Lol.
Ask the Brexit backing owner of the company why the factory is not in the uk .
Lol.
@@gertscheper9653 basically it was a ready made factory in France near the German border.. it would be foolish to build it in the UK given the amount of parts used on this truck which come from Europe and a factory ready to go…even the engine is BMW! Personally I don’t agree with it and it would stop me from buying one on this alone.
Over hyped piece of junk. Chances are production will stop within a decade.
10 years would be a good production run. Who know where we will be in 2033. Bicycles perhaps?
You are claiming that the Ineos Grenadier is the worlds best 4x4 and worlds best tow vehicle and worlds best off roader. Bold claims. Bold claims indeed. I should think that the Toyota Land Cruiser might have something to say about this.
A few years will have to pass by to see how this might all pan out, I will be interested to see how we are looking circa 2026 - 2027 era approx.
I am interested in purchasing an Ineos Grenadier and / or Toyota Land Cruiser.
I made no such claim.
No thanks. Nothing beats the new Defender 130. Feels like a limo and tough as 12 rhinos. Packed with 3D cameras, active and reactive AI powered protective systems.
Exactly. And that’s why I would never want one….
We wanted a separate, immensely strong chassis. We have a new Defender, but that vehicle is not for the heavy duty work planned for the Grenadier.
Another Brexit success?
A success - we hope. Brave project
@@Classicandsportscar1 a cynical question 🤔, as it's made in France 🇫🇷
Such a shame about the driver's left leg problem, bad design and would be enough to put me off
I didn't notice it on the car I drove. Perhaps I wasn't in it long enough
@@Classicandsportscar1 most have mentioned it, I think the LHD models might be better. Wonder if they will issue a mod, as I know of three cancellations because of it.
I'd rather have a proper laandrover.than a tacky kit car.
Me too
Good viewpoint, I share the same feelings about the Grenadier, it’s exactly what some of us want 👍🏻
Thank you!
Been a Jeeper for 40+ years but have lately felt it’s slowly been evolving into more a toy than a proper utility vehicle. The Grenadier by contrast strikes me as much more the sort of “adventure vehicle” that can get me through the last decades of me life, so I, like you, don’t mind waiting a little longer for it.
Seems like patience increases with age!
‘Evolved into a toy?’ Really? Give me a break. I’ve owned Jeeps from the the 1940s models to current and the new ones are the most capable ever produced.
@@lbco5229 with the payload of a Toyota Camry. Because they are toys.
Having watched all of the reviews, I was finally able to sit in one here in Australia. The hump on the floor beneath my let foot was annoying, and being 188cms tall would become uncomfortable on a long journey. The engineering on the drivers side windscreen wiper is reminiscent of a series 1 Land Rover. Surely the could have designed the pivot point so that the wiper blade cleaned right up to the A pillar. I don't like the position of the speedometer, and perhaps a Heads Up Display would have been better.
Time will tell if it is successful.
As you say, time will tell.
Excellent taste in English motor boats, do you still own the Fairey?
Well spotted! A Fairey Huntress we took in part exchange for Jaguar MKII. A superb craft. I had some fun with it in Scotland before we sold it.
Loving the daylight visible at the top of the Defender's door while it's driving along. Such a Landrover thing :)
Quirky for sure. My wife always loved the fact that you could open the vents and let fresh air straight in.
I really enjoyed that ! I’ve been following the Ineos story closely and maybe one day in the position to buy one . I look forward to seeing a video of your one and how it gets on in everyday use . Once again great video
Thank you! Our Grenadier has arrived and a first impressions video is in editing now!
Enjoyed the video. Not purely for the fact I have one on order but because we share a similar enthusiasm for the concept of the vehicle. I too have a Defender which I will probably sell on receipt of the Grenadier. The aging design of the Defender is now catching up with aches and pains of my aging body.
Born just 7 years after the original Land Rover 80" I know the feeling!
Short answer, no it’s not worth the wait. The new Defender is better in every single aspect
We also have a new Defender 110. Great vehicle but it will not be our principal 'tow car'. Soon I'll be doing a direct comparison - Old and new Defender with the Grenadier.
A lovely video, your enthusiasm shines through. Enjoy your Grenadier when you get it.
Thank you kindly!
A relatively simple vehicle that's been tested to destruction. 'First production' or not, I'm in.
...oh, and I currently own a fantastic 2015 Disco4 HSE Lux, so not risk aversed.
A man after my own heart!
@@dipladonic Discovery 4, a great vehicle!
Biggest disappointment is that there are no driver gauges. Hey designers, human beings have eyes in front of their heads. This stupid electric car movement to put an Ipad in the middle of the dashboard and call it a day is ridiculous.
Gauges have been put in the middle dash of some cars for decades. Now we have the Grenadier it took only minutes to get used to.
Hi there, you talk about outstanding „customer experience“ because you received a video of your vehicle with the exact specifications instead of a real physical car. You are waiting since months for delivery of your car but you are still extremely happy with INEOS? And you willing to wait „as long as it takes“! You are a very, very loyal customer! I am impressed!
Sometimes its not just about the destination, its the journey too. Ineos have done well - so far
I am like you, I am convinced that the Grenadier will be a very good product, much better than the old Defender 😂❤❤👍👍👍
I think so too
Feels like Jim Ratcliffe’s companies should be boycotted on principle. A deeply exploitative businessman
And he has our admiration for backing his vision and taking a huge financial risk building the Grenadier.
@@Classicandsportscar1 was backing Brexit then moving to Monaco visionary or admirable?
The only (obvious) downside to the Grenadier is that it is not a Land Cruiser....
Thanks. No Grenadier track record yet and the Land Cruiser is a legend but I remain hopeful.
driven two, both new , both throwing up a heap of fault codes ,
Our new one has arrived. First impressions video tomorrow
Great discussion and why the Grenadier.
I have the last of the Defenders here in AU and definitely keeping it.
I really love the Grenadier and the concept but unfortunately it is outside my price range.
Oh and the Landrover these days is just another luxury car company and no original heritage left in it.
Cheers
One good thing. The Defender is so well supported you'll be able to keep it running indefinitely in Australia.
Man, I love the old Defender as much as anyone. But one thing you can't claim about them, is that they are comfortable to drive. Sure, there is a lot of after market stuff you can do to make them better, but they will always remain somewhat cramped and uncomfortable. This, gives the old Defender's toughness with a level of comfort not available on that platform...
@@LocoCoyote I agree with comfort but I am used it and it is my daily driver. Definitely fun.
Great video!
Thank You for your comment, much appreciated
the only reason that there are 70% of land rovers are still on the road is because the other 30% got to there destination
Thanks for your comment, you made me smile! Many years ago I got an unexpected commendation from the Police for volunteering my 110 to rescue people stranded in the worst snow storm for many years. For many hours I drove my 12-seater 110 300Tdi up and down snow covered hills taking people home who were stuck outdoors in terrible weather, some needing essential medicines. Whatever people's views on reliability (often justified because of modern electronics reliability) there is nothing I'd trust more than my old Defenders to get me anywhere. ....... until the Grenadier!
@@Classicandsportscar1 when working truly a exceptional vehicle, 👏 must be said my 4x4 has its own quirks to deal with
@@rorymundy1790well I am amazed, another deluded Toyota owner who feels the need to comment on every single Land Rover video!
@@rorymundy1790 , your comment made me smile as well. Another one that I hear quite often ( I’m a Land Rover owner) is. Land Rover turning motorists into mechanics for 70 years. (That should be changed to 75 years)
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Landrover in price and everything eles are gone mad that 3ltr ford engine was a joke you never knew when it was going to blow up
Inflation is really beginning to bite and nowhere less so than with new cars.
@@Classicandsportscar1 here in ireland a defender is over 80k the grenadir is the same
Ineos may be upping the service levels, but the arrogant other manufacturers will just become more arrogant. I hope Ineos keep up their standards. I will be looking at one in South Africa.
Thanks for posting
Is there concern of parts availability. I would be concerned if anything broke that Ineos would keep the parts for new units over service/repairs. Has anyone had experience of this yet?
It was interesting listening to your advertisement for INEOS Grenadier, sorry did I mean video! You ask the question, is it Worth the Wait? The answer for me was NO.
What surprises me was the customer service you said you had from INEOS. Because my experience was very different.
I contacted INEOS, and two of their agents.
All of which directed me back to the website, as someone who has dyslexia, That was about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike!
In the almost three years I have waited for INEOS to call me back. I have bought three new Land Rover Defenders and a Range Rover sport.
Land Rover may not be the best product in the world. But the salespeople know how to sell, and they return calls and follow up on inquiries
I certainly hadn't seen the video as an advertisement for the Grenadier - just an opinion from an industry professional who happens to be both a long-term Land Rover customer and now one of Ineos. Sorry your own experience wasn't good. Thanks for commenting though.
I agree with you , it is worth the wait, I was in the vehicle industry in Canada back in the late 80's-90's and totally enjoyed my time i was with a dealership that sold Jaguar,Land Rover and Volvo, it was not uncommon for a customer to order their vehicle and wait a few months for it to be built and delivered and most often these buyers were long term repeat owners of these same cars, and often bought their children or elderly parents a new car to have a peace of mind and no problems with an older vehicle, the Grenadier is built on the premise for a solidly built reliable vehicle without an owner worrying about it while working or on holidays with it, I am in Canada and know it will be awhile before they are sold here, which is fine by me and allows me to save up a larger deposit for it, like my Volvo 240 , it is purpose built and reliable and I will definitely order the manuals that'll be available to me, great video 👍
Thank you for your comment Bob. Volvo 240 - great car. We've sold a few older Volvos: classicandsportscar.ltd.uk/volvo/sold/page-1
We're in Canada as well. I order vehicles because they never have what I want on lots. We were waiting for the Defender then after seeing disappointing previews went eirh a Wrangler and last year the wife got a Velar.
Now waiting for the Grenadier to land here.