Palestine Talks | Professor Avi Shlaim says “anti-Semitism was an European, not Arab problem”
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- British-Israeli historian Professor Avi Shlaim was born in Iraq to Jewish parents in 1945, and moved to the newly established State of Israel as a 5-year-old. He speaks to TRT World about how Jews lived peacefully in the Arab and Muslim world before Zionism and the import of anti-Semitism from Europe.
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My grandfather is also an Iraqi Jew, and he told me how they lived there for centuries before going to Israel in 1950.
I adore this man for telling the truth and advocating for the rights of the Palestinians.
Why did he not continue living there? How many jews left in iraq today?
@@Anp562 In the late 1940's and early 1950's there were tensions between the Jewish community and the rest of the Iraqi people, probably because many Jews were suspected as Zionists. Meny left where they could. However, I believe that if the state of Israel was not created and the known atrocities didn't took place, his family would have stayed there.
Today Iraqi Jews count no more than several thousands, and their number remained the same for 70+ years
I met many Arab Jews, and they all regret being in Israel. Arab Jews are an integral part of Arab culture, and they have been dislocated by Zionism's barbaric principles.
@@Anp562there were also suspected false flag attacks on jewish places of worship
@@Anp562there were multiple false flag ops, I would recommend reading up on the multiple ops like that within the region. Op magic carpet a great example of coercion and false flags that would ultimately push many Yemenite Jews from their homes only to be placed within segregated camps away from other Jews purely because they were seen and considered as Arab/oriental Jews.
“anti-Semitism was a European, not Arab problem” NOTHING MORE TRUE THAN THIS QUOTE.
Ariella Aïsha Azoulay / Algerian Jews Have Not Forgotten France’s Colonial Crimes
A recent report neglects to mention how France forced Arab Jews to adopt the European persona of Jew as citizen and see Arabs and Muslims as others.
Yes! Nazism was the end result of the anti-Semitism that started in Europe centuries ago. If the Jewish people hated the Europeans then it would be understandable, but No! The Jewish people appear to hate the Arabic people instead!☮
@@freegedankenzurbaukunst5613Algerian Jews are Spherdic not Mizrahi.
@@freegedankenzurbaukunst5613yes u right
Islam existed long before europ antisemitism, read about haybar , its in the Quran
I really could listen to this man all day. Not just the content of what he says but the melody he brings to his words.
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he's a liar paid by iran
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I agree. There's no single wrong word by the professor in the whole interview. Precise words and conclusions. I learned a lot about Iraqi Jews and 1948 war. Thanks TRT.
@@jurekwilczynski4279 lies! there is no evidence that the bombimgs were by the Zionists, in fact by the time of the fatal bombing of January 1951, most of the Jews had registered to leave. Shlaim minimises the responsibility of the Iraqis for persecuting Jews, arresting and executing Jews, stripping them of their rights and stealing their property.
Thank you, Professor Shlaim, for speaking up for our Palestinian sisters and brothers, you're a good and honest man.
Professor Shlaim is a great humanitarian and a fine scholar.
That he's a liar that agrees with you does neither you nor him credit. Do 30 seconds of research and you will find his story absolutely false, including regular massacres going back as far as we have records.
Wonderful testimony. There was a time, not so long ago when Muslims, Jews and Christians lived side by side in harmony throughout the Middle East.
so false
@@CrusaderGeorgeWBushur hopeless Zionists
They did live in harmony for 500 years under the ottomans wings
@@CrusaderGeorgeWBushlol yes the ottoman empire all jews live under it happily, muslims bring back jews after they were exiled and forced to convert to Christianity by the byzantine empire, pick a book, hide your ignorance and your hate to islam
@@CrusaderGeorgeWBush stop your lies crusadeorGeorge, Europe killed Jews, may your heart fill with guilt and condemn yourself.
@@CrusaderGeorgeWBushIt’s not false, it also the case for the Islamic period of the Iberian Peninsula, and for Islamic North Africa, where many Jews fled to when they were expelled from Spain by the Christians.
Your BS Fox News and AIPAC talking points have misled you.
Thank you professor for sharing your story with us.
@@nawari.Could you please be more specific? 4:45
What's happening in Gaza is a terrorist act that terrifies the world, just like what Hitler did to the Jews. Why doesn't the world want to classify Netanyahu as a war criminal? Why doesn't the world want to classify the Israeli government as a terrorist group even though Israel is a terrorist state against all international laws?
@@nawari. How was he whitewashing his history? And do you mean his Iraqi or Israeli history?
@@nawari.Lol.. Israel is the one whitewashing history. Most of the western media narrative is based from them. They own the media. Just because his narrative is different from what you've been told all this time, doesn't mean he lies
@@nawari.He very clearly explained that he was one of a group of three "new historians" who had, in the 1980s, taken the opportunity of studying all the newly released official documents from the postwar period archives of Israel, the USA, Britain, the United Nations, etc, in order to establish the facts and write, for the first time, the new history that these documents revealed. Read his book and check his sources before you cast judgement.
Prof. Avi Shlaim, you have my utmost respect for speaking out. Our moral duty is to stand up against this monumental injustice🙏🙏
I'm 90s Arab, and my wish is to witness the time you lived. Where Arab Muslims and Arab Jews were thriving together, and Palestinians Muslims and Jews at peace 😢❤
I am so moved by this erudite, reflective, and compassionate man. He doesn’t hide or justify that he was once a Zionist, but accepts it at face value. And he is also very honest about the Palestinians and the Arabs.
Great and very insightful interview. Thank you both very much.
I so agree with you.
Ariella Aïsha Azoulay / Algerian Jews Have Not Forgotten France’s Colonial Crimes
A recent report neglects to mention how France forced Arab Jews to adopt the European persona of Jew as citizen and see Arabs and Muslims as others.
I wholeheartedly agree .
Rony Brauman de " Medecins sans Frontieres" étaient sooniste zusdin jusqu'au jour où il a commencé à se poser des questions...
He still is a zionist pretending to be progressive and taking the crosshairs of of Jews like him onto white Europeans
THATS his goal and you idiots fall for it hook line and sinker
Thank you for bringing this amazing person here and doing this interview. Time well spent
I love how the host DID NOT interrupt the guest.
Thank you, for telling the truth.
The voice of humanity and love ❤❤❤
So much respect to this guy. There is no so such thing as Israel. The land belongs to the indigenous Arab whether Muslims Christian or Jewish.
But Arabs are not indigenous to this area.
But ok, we all should do DNA-tests and go back where we came from. The land belongs to the indigenous and just to the indigenous. In Israel, in Turkey, in Australia, in America, in New Zealand, in Europe, etc.
Also there aren't Jordan, Saudi, Syria, India and Pakistan. All these countries were created at 40 s. Countries voted in UN 48 for both Israel and Paleistinians creation. These other countries were created even without votation
Do you think that socalled nonblack people are indigenous to northeast Africa?
@@SUPERDAVE-jx8mp There are 'indigenous' Africans of all skin colours, hair types and facial features - if you travel throughout the continent you encounter a vast variety of ethnic groups even within individual countries. Concepts of 'black' will be revealed as an obvious social construct of racist ideology. We are none of us indigenous - I think we need to share the land we love...
@@epona1525 Depend what you mean by 'Arab'... The Levant has been a melting pot since the stone ages. You can't go back to where your ancestors came from because human beings are all intermixed and have inhabited different parts of the globe at different period in history - populations have moved around. We'd all end up going back to Africa. 😏
You’re doing God’s work here by peacefully spreading the truth despite the threats, and continuing to call for peace. 🙏 Ameen.
Very informative talk 🙏. I grew up in Morocco. The 3 religions were, and still are, living in harmony. It is interesting for me to hear that it was the same in Iraq. Many Moroccan Jews who were enticed to emigrate to Israel ended up very disappointed and segregated against. A significant number moved back to Morocco. My fundamentalist catholic father was a very fervent Zionist, and the dynamic and rethoric of Israel is very familiar to me despite the fact that I never went to Israel... My heart is bleeding to see this horrific carnage happening. 😢
My brother have you watched the documentary “return to Morocco” from Al Jazeera? It is on TH-cam. Very interesting (fellow Moroccan here!)
@@Freetoughts no I haven't. Thank you so much for letting me know! I am looking forward to watching it. 🙏
Wow mind blowing interview
Can the western governments listen to this brother ? Specially Biden who is blindly following war criminals Netanyahu regime !!
@@Freetoughts I have watched it. Really wonderful, lots of memories. Thank you for suggesting it. 🙏
@@Freetoughts, I looked it up. Nothing showed up on TH-cam.
The real question is why are they seemingly getting away with thousands of war crimes and crimes against humanity when billions of people bear witness to their guilt? There is something extremely wrong here.
Yep. It might have something to do with the amount of money they pay in bribes - sorry, I meant lobbying, in US particularly, and other countries too.
Jews were persecuted and discriminated against in Europe at that time when nationalist European ideologies were emerging. Jewish people were very aggressively excluded from these nationalisms. Therefore the people around Herzl (the Zionists) developed the ideology of their own Jewish nation. However, the nation state was missing.
That's why they wanted to found it in Palestine. No, they didn't think much about the Palestinians. They were a persecuted minority in Europe. But apart from that, they were Europeans and the normal racist view that Europeans of that time had of the rest of the world was also theirs.
Incidentally, this European view has not fundamentally changed since then.
Well, maybe with young people.
The sheer barbarity of the Holocaust left Europeans around the world with a guilty conscience after World War II. Suddenly they wanted to see the Jews as their equals and wanted to fulfill them a wish.
The fact that the Europeans themselves didn't have to give up anything to fulfill this wish made it even easier.
And again they didn’t think much about Palestinians or Arabs. Regardless of their religion, Arabs simply did not play a role in these considerations; they were not important.
As I already said, normal European racism.
Simple, they have the support of irresponsible war-mongering USA.
@@raibilrei Good summary, Without the access to the western media middle easterners have been demonized by Jews and Israeli propaganda. Thankfully the internet has made it possible to bypass mainstream media and show people the truth. My hope is that once today's young people eventually take over the reins of power things will befin to change.
@@Waitingformarty also USA has used Israel as a buffer against so called Arab hostility and also as a base for it's ongoing conflict with Russia. It is the biggest supplier of arms to Israel and gives billions in "aid" to them. It keeps the armaments industry in the USA and UK and other Western European countries very happy, the so called military-industrial industry. As I often say follow the money.
Wonderful Soul ....A Noble man !
Perhaps some of us are unaware that he is literally pretending to be Black. As an Israelite I am fascinated by the fact that nonblack people believe that a book that starts with Genesis ie human origins is not about Black people.
God bless this man . Why this kind of people never get power ? We would have much better world and hope for humanity.
My cynical reply is that very few people who aspire to power are benevolent.
Thank you so much professor May God bless you
I already feel like I know you and I do not see any difference between us. You will always be loved and respected by Arab like me. I am an Egyptian and I can relate to what you are saying
Very detailed truth of history. Great job.
thank you
True HUMAN BEING.
Without bias and agenda.
Very rare to see this classic ppl this days.
Hats off ❤❤❤
Too bad it's not factual.
Thank you Professor Shlaim. You are a voice of wisdom, authority and moral conscience. I will definitely buy a copy of your new book, Three Worlds. Excellent interview.
Amazing human being, alongside all the 'new historians', who have courageously risked everything to tell a very different and most important story. It is beyond moving to learn that Jews were in Iraq since the days of the Persian, and, presumably, the Babylonian empires, three thousand years ago. That is mind blowing. And how tragic it is that he was made to feel ashamed of such an extraordinary legacy. Is there no end to the sadness?
Once in a while we came across good honest men who is not afraid to tell the truth,thank you professor Avi Shlaim. ❤️
A kind and wonderful man. Thank you Professor Shlaim.
Good history lesson. Thank you professor 😊😊😊😊😊
Thank you Avi and TRT, we salute you
Egyptian Jews for the most part were also very well integrated into Egyptian society. The best example is Ellie Cohen, who didn’t want to leave Egypt and had to be forced by the Israeli secret service to move out.
Thank you for this interview. Professor shlaim speaks so clearly and gently. With moral rectitude and historical knowledge. May justice prevail.
Brilliant Professor, brilliant journalism ❤
Thank you for hosting such a great speaker and giving him a voice.
The international community has greatly damaged the Palestinian people.
European community
Don't confuse Europe with the international community
The Arabs have use Palestinians as a pawn to eventually conquer Israel. It didn’t work. It will not work. It’s a tragedy that their own people could care less about them. The fact that Egypt and Jordan close their borders tells you everything you need to know.
Do you mean the several million dollars damaged the palestinians ? That's an original point of view. In which way? Let's listen.
What a respectable, sincere and knowledgeable man.
Very interesting to hear how Jews from Arabic nations were treated!
This man is a peace angel.
I didn’t know Avi is a proud Iraqi , good to know.
The real Jews that were scattered so interesting thank you Professor
What would we do without people like Avi? Thank you for having him on.
Excellent interview with some eye-opening facts.
Very intelligent person and very much humble person,thank you so much for educating us about Israel how it established.we know little about Arab Jews and Palestinian’s existence, hope you will talk about that next time
Amazing guy, amazing interview.
We have to translate his book to arabic. Thank you Iraqi Arabic Professor. I am proud of you ❤❤❤❤.
a lot of respect for this courageous man. his memoirs must be taught in all Arab schools as well as in Europe
Brilliant interview ....one of the great Jewish historians .
Antisemitism was exported from Europe to the Middle East because there was no tradition of antisemitism in the Arab world before World War 1.
Antisemitism was born in Europe in the Middle Ages;
and the holy church had a lot to do with antisemitism.
Please, the phrase was coined by German philosophers, but don't pretend that Jews were always treated well under Muslim rule.
@@user-wx1gd9fs1kthey were treated better to the point that an jews scholar told the jews to obey the muslim even if they haram you injustice
@@user-wx1gd9fs1khistorically there is no better protector of Jews than under Muslim rule
This new found love between Jews and westerners is new and does not hold a candle to the amount of centuries of peace between Muslims and Jews prior to Zionism that does not mean there was no problems but the exception does not become the rule
But in the west it does you guys bend narratives to suit your needs and then go ahead and believe your own lies
@@algilani-military Well done.
Always believed Europe was the continent that hated itself. All their civil wars and World wars. They also exported hate, crusading, Zionism, colonialism.
Thank you TRT and Prof. Avi Shlaim for educating us. We blind ourselves to history at our moral and physical peril. Thank you for your courage and determined persistence in shedding light. It's up to us now to take up our responsibility.
Ariella Aïsha Azoulay / Algerian Jews Have Not Forgotten France’s Colonial Crimes
A recent report neglects to mention how France forced Arab Jews to adopt the European persona of Jew as citizen and see Arabs and Muslims as others.
It is great that you are here ( alive) & speaking your truth , but i wish you good people could do something to save the Palestinian people today !
Respect for you sir, thank you
Thank you professor, it means a lot to know the truth.🥰🥰🥰😍
Truth words 💯💪
Thank you millions
Thankyou for this very informative interview!
Thank you professor!! You deserve so much respect!!
What a beautiful human. A treasure to humanity. Thank you.
A gentleman who has allways been very special gift for humanity and great reputation as a historian of the middle east countries and more, great reporting and information about the situation nowadays and the HISTORY of the Jews of Europe and the Arabs countries also Zionists Israel in Palestine 🇵🇸 ❤
Thank you for this incredible interview
Thank you so much!! This is the history we need to hear.
Just to note there are 300.000 documents which are still classified some of them are from 1820 which was long before the creation of the state. That is very telling in the fact that what we don’t know is even worse than what we know.
What a wonderful interview and a wonderful man. Thank you.
This is an important interview and many people should hear this
What a set of revolting rulers we have in Jordan, Saudi, UAE, Bahrain and Egypt.
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Go to google news website, search for Trucknet Enterprise. There’s a Dec 27 article that describes how this Israeli company was working with those five states to create a land bridge so that goods can be delivered to Israel despite the Houthi blockade. That bridge is functioning now.
I’m certainly not interested in refuting your point. But I am wondering why you wrote that? Does it go back in history? Or is it because they aren’t taking Palestinians in now? If it’s the latter, then from my understanding, it’s because they know that if they assist Israel in clearing Gaza of Palestinians, it’s all over for them to ever go back and have their homeland. And each country does already have hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees because of all the other Israeli atrocities over the past two decades. So it seems a tough position to be in - keep them in Gaza and have so many killed? Or get them all out only for the whole population to lose their home? Neither is a good choice, but I suppose less killing is better. But where will Israel turn next to steal more land? West Bank? As if they haven’t stolen enough of that already? 😢
Go to Google News and look up: Trucknet Enterprise.
Read the Dec 27 article in Times of Israel.
This Israeli company is working with five Arab states to create a land bridge so that Israel continues to get goods despite the Houthi blockade.
Then, as a follow up, taken note that a few days there was a story from India about how trade unions in India are refusing to load weapons on container ships destined to Israel.
Well, given the Houthi blockade, then how is it possible for any ship to get its cargo to Israel? Through the Arab land bridge.
That means these five Arabs states have not only been undermining Houthi economic pressure to force Israel into a ceasefire, but they’ve also been facilitating the continued flow of weapons (and domestic goods), by way of their land bridge.
What a lovely articulate man… you are top class professor ❤
Thank you professor 🙌🏾
This was such an interesting interview, from a unique perspective and I have learnt so much.
Thank you Professor for sharing and thank you TRT for seeking out such a special story
Very important interview. Thank you.
What a wonderful man, thank u for your honesty!!
Thank you for sharing the truth!
Thank you Doctor Shlaim for standing up for justice and truth
Thank you I enjoy listening to this very intelligent professor.
God bless him wonderful interview.
Accuratly explained
I appreciate Prof Avi Shlaim so much for his amazing historian work and compassion and seek of truth and justice! There is nothing more noble than this! ❤
Israel should have been set in Germany or Poland instead of punishing palestinians for europeans crimes.
I have Iraqi friends whose parents commiserate about the lost relationships with Jewish Iraqi friends. I have heard these commiserations for 40 years. On the other hand, Canadian Jewish people I knew of Ashkenazi heritage referred to my hairdresser as a dirty *** as he was from Morocco. I questioned this position. The superiority/inferiority paradigm was clearly a normalized belief.
Absolutely, this gentleman is a breath of fresh air. I really like listening to it because I love the history of religions and their chronology, anthropology etc... It's very instructive and enriching for anyone who wants to free themselves from clichés and idiocies. Moreover it was the British government which administered Iraq at the time, which decided to establish a Hashemite kingdom in Iraq and Faisal became king of Iraq in 1921 before dying in 1933 You have to see the traitorous Sykes and Picot (the destruction of the Ottoman Empire). His grandson Faisal II was deposed and assassinated during General Kassem's coup d'état on July 14, 1958. Churchill boasted of having created Jordan with a pencil one afternoon in Cairo. In fact, it is especially Great Britain which is at the origin of all the region's ills. The English were deeply racist and the USA much more anti-Semitic than the Germans before 1945. It was Freud who wrote this in his analysis of Wilson, and co-written with one of the latter's right-hand men. Before the 19th century, the term "anti-Semite" did not exist, it was anti-Judaism. And I believe that Zi****ism represents a danger for Judaism...
Anti-Semitism is actually a very accurate term
The hatred of Europeans towards Jews stems from ancient Aryan hatred for Semites
The thing is that Jews also play Anti-Semitic canards when talking about "Arab beasts"
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The Europeans Jews aren't semite
@@Miki-fl9ez Not really accurate, because semites encompass all those who descend of the peoples originated in the region that today encompasses Palestine, Jordan as well as parts of Lebanon and Syria, regardless of religion, and, according to most historians, a great number of jews (mainly those of European origin and their descendants, which make up the majority of Israelis, btw) are very likely NOT semite, which not only makes the choice to broadly apply the term exclusively to jews (to the exclusion and erasure of arabs) technically wrong, but also a clearly VERY intentional political one.
@@Miki-fl9ez As to the hatred towards jews, Prof. Shlaim is absolutely correct, it stems mostly from the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages.
Thank you. Wonderful interview both of you.
What a Great Man, Great ideas!
Thanks, dear professor.
From Brasil.
Thank you Avi Shalom for making it clear the European Ashkenazi rule and dominate the politics of Israel, and Sephardic (couscous) jews are considered irrelevant other than supporting the population numbers, for they lived in peace and harmony throughout the Maghreb before the establishment of Israel, a European look out post as Chomsky so admirably described.
Ashkenazzis are extremely RACIST people
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Thanks for sharing this important discussion. Dialogue and diplomacy are what is always welcomed.
❤. Nice old man.
But only God knows the truth.
To bad Biden and Trump are not.
@@mimikhan9546But God wants us to seek it and not fear it.
Truth needs to come out. 😢
10:11 THIS is the key truth to this conflict. It’s not between religions, it’s between Europeans and others.
Very interesting
Yes the Arab Jews were normal. Untill the European jews came. They have to much influences from the Europeans therefore they do not belong in the Middle East. The Arab Jews those who never left the Middle East belong there. The European jews are the violent variant
What a wonderful human being. An example to us all.
Thank you Dr. Shlaim....you are a ray of light and hope for justice and peace!
Thank you for this interview ❤
People of this caliber are rarer than diamonds, brighter than light. Truth, truth, and nothing but the truth. In the presence of such humanity, I feel insignificant
Yep, bout’ time this is said. Thank you for the honesty! -middle easterner
So inspiring to see and listen this conversation...thank you😊
Fascinating!
merci beaucoup Pr Avi Shlaim.
The greatest voice on the conflict of all time. Thank you for shedding light on this subject and unifying the world against the racist colonial apartheid state of Israel and the complicity of the Western powers. Much love to this man.
Antisemitism was a European problem indeed that gave birth to the State of Israel and the chaos that ensued around the world right now
Exactly, but currently it is in the middle east more than Europe.
History is interesting and useful but it is not when we are now. Presently who is carrying the ball in the Rugby game?
It doesn't matter who had the ball ten minutes ago. 🤔🏈🏉
Right now the people who are living there hate. ...Freaking period.
And this kind of forum is not going to help with this. 😢
Thank you very much!
A historian for our times. Truth being told by an eminent professor. Thank you.
Thank you Prof Shlaim for sharing this extremely important historical background, especially about Jordan's role.
Yes jews had always lived in harmony with muslim and arabs, in Iraq and all over the middle east.
As a matter of fact, it has always been a war between the east and the west, not between jews and Arabs.