In Gaza now, it’s worse than ethnic cleansing | Centre Stage
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- In this episode of Centre Stage, our guest is Ilan Pappé. He’s an Israeli historian and professor at the University of Exeter. Pappé is known for his outspoken views on the Israeli-Palestinian question - drawing both praise and criticism. He’s the author of several books including "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine", in which he challenges the traditional Israeli narrative over the establishment of Israel in 1948.
In today’s episode, Pappé discusses the dangers of the Zionist ideology and its impact on Israel and Palestine, the historical context of October 7, and his vision for a one-state solution.
Dareen Abughaida is a principal presenter at Al Jazeera English.
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Listening to this man helps my mental health.
Ilan Pappé 👍 is a solid decent person.
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Totally agree
Mine tooo😊
Mine too. The truth always heals...
Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity!
*what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
Son of God are 2 titles one referring to the Word of God = God himself and one referring to creation (humans, angels, demons)
Voices like Illan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein, and Miko Paled give me hope as a Palestinian.
Me too.
Me too.🙏🍈🕊️🌿
Beautiful post
Agreed! Let's not forget Max Blumenthal, Katie Halper, Gabor Mate and family, Phil Weiss, Rabbi Shapiro, Sam Seder, the Due Dissidence guys and Gideon Levy. I'm probably forgetting other names.
Avi Shlaim
Daniel Levy
Lara Friedman
Professor Pappe is a gift to humanity.
I agree. 👍
... Only He is humanity’s hope
"The Creator Alone Is Humanity’s Hope
I want to fly back to Heaven, but have not wings
I want to leave this world, but know not the Way
I have lived both worldly glory and humiliation
I have tasted both the bitter and sweet of the human realm
When will the Creator come?
Only He is humanity’s hope
Autumn of 2013"
Master Li Hongzhi (Hong Yin VI, from Falun Dafa teachings)
... The Creator has come
"A Song for You
I have a sacred song for you
I once wondered: Who created Heaven, earth, and all things?
Why does life seem such a trying and aimless affair?
Who is it that I am?
Who really am I?
We try so hard, but are left perplexed over lifetimes
Now Dafa [Great Law] has unlocked my wisdom
I now understand life, and fret not over each trifle
The Creator has come
He calls on me to rouse lost lambs before the disaster
This is the song you’ve awaited
A melody from Heaven above
October 2013"
Master Li Hongzhi (Hong Yin VI, from Falun Dafa teachings)
Ccan't agree more
i"m from israel. he opened my eyes. thank you ilan.
"Whatever is happening in Gaza is worse than 1948." - Pappe
"In my perspective, what's happening now in Gaza is far worse than what happened in 1948."
History awareness test: what do you think he's talking about happened in 1948?
(real question; am curious)
@@TristanMorrowthe nakba
@@TristanMorrow Just watch the video. He explains what he means in detail.
@@TristanMorrow In short, Nakba.
Pappe is a great historian. He has deprogrammed himself unlike the Zionist. Fantastic interview.
We need de-programming in the US also. It's in process, but not organized. We have historians like the late Howard Zinn, Daniel Immerwahr ("How to Hide an Empire") but there is an active resistance (of course) to revisionist history re: treatment of indigenous people and the racism that goes back to slavery and to the present. It seems many (all?) nations develop narratives and educational systems to keep their myths alive. More power to Pappe
It's really hard to do it as Israeli Zionist without any incentives (from my own experience :)
Might be more beneficial to 'deprogram' westerns so they will change the current conditions, which will give Israelis a incentive to change.
It's merely reprogramming. He's a propagandist not a historian.
@@jenkins7459 I think you never read one of his books. His assertions are the result of logical deduction from facts and sustained answers to questions raised from proven sequences of facts. A propagandist just uses slogans and even false facts to force others to accept their ideology. I don't think Ilan Pappé is a propagandist at all. He is a scholar historian who cares about facts, not about ideology. He knows that ideologies themselves are just facts shaped by history and you need to be aware about that or you will be fooled by them.
Zionist? So does Israel not have the right to exist? Is that how Europe responds to their uninvited immigrants, by attacking them as occupiers? Jews have been in Israel for over one hundred years. 80 percent of Jews in Israel were driven there from neighboring countries in the Middle East. Palestinians have to start taking some of the blame and responsibility for their predicament. Most Jews would love a peaceful and prosperous Palestine.
I visited Israel and Palestine 10 years ago and seeing the apartheid systems up close was an eye opener. It’s so much worse seeing it in real life, but what also amazed me was the warmth kindness and generosity of the Palestinian people. I really hope that it’s true that we are seeing the beginning of the end of Palestinian suffering.
Did you get access to Gaza, if so, perhaps you could describe it a bit more?
@michellenorris8471 most tourists are not allowed to go to gaza... only Westbank because of Bethlehem
@@michellenorris8471 I did not, as Gaza has been an open air prison for a very long time.
I hope so too, but we must fear that this genocide will be so successful that there will be none left who are not in exile. Why do we allow this?
@@mariannehancock8282 There are many, many Palestinian refugees all over the world with legal rights of return for decades now, it is Israel who have unlawfully not allowed them to express this lawful right.
Israel will never ever be able to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.
Ilan Pappe - what a fantastic scholar, very good interview. With people like him we can create a better society, free from zionism.
He knows Israeli society better than most, if he's optimistic, I'm optimistic.
Also, these interviews are so good, well done.
Excellent 👌 interview.
We have the UK with the Balfour declaration to thank for this horrific 'situation' in Palestine - giving land that wasn't theirs to give! I feel absolutely ashamed to be 'British'!!
It's even worse. Look at the balfour-declaration adressee.
@@OldTeaMate I know, Lord Rothschild - and what was said did not happen!
Wir können die Vergangenheit nicht ändern - aber in Zukunft vieles besser machen. Allein uns Bürgern (Sie britisch, ich deutsch) stehen nur all zu oft unsere Regierungen im Weg.
Britain didn't give away any land, this is an Israeli invention. The British goal was to create a Jewish ruling class in Palestine, just as the French were doing in Syria with the Alawites. This is about territory for governance, not land. Land ownership is private property, at no point was this "given away". As Britain became aware that the zionists had no intention of living along side the existing population, and were going to be violently removing them, Britain did actually start to put the brakes on... not very hard, we're still talking extreme racist times, but the zionists started getting support from Stalin, getting huge weapons imports from Czechoslovakia, and there was a lot of violence between the zionists and the British. But, after the war, there were some 300,000 holocaust survivors stuck in camps in Germany, and this was a real problem, as the population was deeply indoctrinated into the idea that it was Jewish people who were responsible for all the problems, and nothing would be better until they were gone. The zionists didn't really want the survivors going there, seeing them as probably the "bad ones" who saved themselves by selling out others, so couldn't be trusted, but Ben Gurion was basically bribed with getting legal recognition of the state in return for accepting a load of the survivors. The zionists began the massacres in november 1947, as British forces were preparing to leave. We turned a blind eye, to get peace in Europe, we condemned the Palestinians to eternal violence and terror. When the holocaust survivors arrived, they had empty homes to stroll right into. The zionists lied to them, exploiting their experience in Europe to control them, telling them "they hate us, we defended ourselves", trapping Palestinians in a narcissistic relationship where everything they do to try and escape punishment is interpreted as aggression that requires further punishment... ie, victim inversion. But make no mistake, the zionists stole the land with guns, they were extremely brutal, nobody gave it to them.
This man is a living treasure - one of the greatest human beings of our age, in my opinion. His is a pure and courageous voice of reason, a shining light in the darkness. God bless Ilan Pappe.
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I don't think he's ever been platformed on an american news program. How different policy could be, were they to have allowed regular appearances by this notable scholar who offers insights from so many perspectives and contexts in the package of one man.
He is also a great historian they are few videos on TH-cam as an historian worth listening
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Thank you Prof Pape for standing on the side of truth and Humanity.
Said, Chomsky, Pappe and Finkelstein are intellectual giants. My admiration for them knows no bounds.
There only "intellectual giants" in your mind because they confirm your preconceptions.
Thank you IIan for being on side of justice, and being active.
It’s awful what’s happening in Gaza. I wish I didn’t feel so powerless 😢
You can speak out against hamas
@@thegodkratos1275truth hurts, zionazi 😘
I found his description of the Gaza Strip from 1948-1967 quite disingenuous though, he neglected to mention that Egypt invaded and annexed the territory, calling it an Israeli creation makes no sense.
@@VerneRawks 17 years of the total blockade of Gaza, 56 years of occupation and 75 years of dehumanization of the Palestinians? No one is superior to another, otherwise we allow what happened in the 1940s to return, but with other actors.
Spoken like a true Zionist & coloniser. Israel has become a Pariah state. Whatever happens next their people will never be looked at the same again....@@thegodkratos1275
We get to hear and listen to a man with high moral integrity. Another rare gem. Thank you, Sir.
Thank you Ilan Pape for your tenacity and integrity ❤❤❤free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
As an antiimperialist American dating back to Palestine work in college beginning in the early 1970's, this is one of the best interviews I've ever heard on Palestine/Israel.
We seldom hear an honest and objective man like him.
Protect this man! What a wonderful and educated human being. Great interview.
Huge respect to Ilan Pappe!! A great historian!!
This man is an eye openner to the world
Mr. Pappé is such a kind soul. An honest historian.
Absolutely. 👍
Really Great Interview format. Al Jazeera is really pushing out great journalism.
For sure. 💯 Al Jazeera is doing excellent journalism.
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They are a model for the world at this point. Western interviewers only know how to interrupt and push their own narrative.
Spreading the hate of Islam
@@darinjohnson1725 "Spreading the hate of Islam" If you can genuinely *listen* to this erudite Israeli historian and sincerely come away with any thought that he's "spreading the hate of Islam", you'd benefit enormously from acquiring some critical thinking skills. More likely though... you're just trolling.
“Thisis ethnic cleansing with the intent to genocide. It’s far worse than what happened in 1948. That’s the 1st point” 9:52
Sooooo glad you interviewed Ilan Pappe I wish he was interviewed MUCH MUCH sooner 🤦🏽♀️ he should be a historian teacher teaching this truth to the world. I Will look for his book it will be a treasure to have in my library 📚 ❤
He has many books. _Ten Myths About Israel_ and _The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine_ are good starting places.
There are many both lectures and interviews with Ilan Pappé, if you haven"t noticed already, and not two are alike.
@@meetings3071 oh ok thx 😊 I will get both of those to start. Such knowledge of this event having in our time it is a treasure to have for the future generation to better understand and have a real inside view of this horrific event that will be in the history books.
@@OldTeaMate thank you! I feel bad that I’m just now learning about him smh 🤦🏽♀️
Und dann vergleichen Sie mal die Ansichten des Historikers Pappe mit der, des Historikers Wolffsohn. Leider sieht es so aus, dass Wolffsohn seine Indoktrination sowohl bei der Bundeswehr als auch neuerdings im Jugendbereich anbringen darf. Wir brauchen einen Pappe - aber wir haben einen Wolffsohn. Da läuft etwas ganz gehörig falsch.
Very brave human being who is serving the humanity.
Hats off for mr.Pappe for his logical modrate argument on the conflicts issue
I can’t imagine how it would feel to go against my tribe so I respect professor pappe for speaking the truth
It is pretty lonely, but once you see the injustice you can't un-see it.
@@aviava7097 The straight path is not always the easy path. Respect 🫡 to you for standing with the truth.
@@aviava7097 But many see the injustice and stay mouth shouted to avoid personal troubles. He has the courage to speak. He deserves respect for that.
Un grand historien qui a la Palestine au coeur
@@mariaejose4437 Unfortunately I don't think this is true. Almost all of Israeli society, 'left' and right, just support Zionism.
Professor Pappe’ is amazingly courageous, eloquent and well-studied.
I'm surprised he is still alive after saying such things. He is such a great asset to the world. We need more people like him.
Yes, he said the truth and he is well educated but look at the other side Izraeli spokesperson Elon Levy studied at Oxford University...😂& he is the greatest Zionist 🤡🤥
Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...
AJ: Peace better than war.
Ilan Pappe is right. Hamas is settling for a 2 state solution but 1 state is inevitable. It's amazing that historians have the best talent for predicting the future.
Predicting the future is not difficult. It is pattern recognition.
I think ICJ should listen to Ilan Pappé.
he is a witness, yes
Why listen to him, i think ICJ should listen to Taylor Swift.
I’m so respect you, Pappe.
So wise, and very good knowledge, and very kind heart man. hope your ❤️to Palestine people will come true asap.🙏🙏🙌
A man with great morals and a human
Thank goodness for people like Ilan Pappe it take courage to stand up for the truth. Bless him. And thanks to AJ. I always say, look up the Lehi militant group from 1948 because it's where thing started.
lehi+irgun+stern. irgun founded by jabotinski, who wrote essay:"iron wall", his opinion of "current affairs".
brits trained eastern european colonisers earlier, and used them as auxilliary forces. Many brit officers were christian zionists (I.E. general major orde charles wingate, who bannered unconventional warfare). The native were heavily brutalised throughout the '30s.
Recommended podcast:
Fear&Loathing in Palestine, Darryll Cooper (MartyrMade).
Nicht zuletzt waren KZs eine Erfindung der Briten.
I wish more Israelis were as educated and enlightened as him
Many Israelis are very educated. He stated the problem is what they teach their kids. Zionist was a bunch of people who left Europe before the horrors of WWII, and those people flooded illegally into the British mandate. They have had the tin cup out, sucking the wealth of the world with tears of what happened in Europe. The Middle East will only continue at war until something is done.
Oh, so Palestinians don't need any education or enlightenment.
Good morning! Wake up my friend! In accordance to several independent research show that Israel is one of the most educated and enlightened country on the world, not Gaza or the West bank.
Educated? Notice how Pape never talks about the Islamic religion and certainly never mentions the Hadiths that call for violence.
@@ASKR612 That wonderful fact has been purchased on the back of many true owners of the land that they stole. The wonderful education has often been obtained with the tin cup making others pay the cost.
He’s absolutely correct all the factions need to unite to create one body
Such wise words, brilliant interview, thank u Al Jazeera and Ilan Pappe 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💜
What a wonderful human being. Such clarity.
For sure. 👌
Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...
Pape is ignorant and ignorance kills.
@@giladgross4976 of what? When a person hurls a pathetic insult and doesn’t add to the debate how would you describe them?
The transition must go quickly and positively, as Ilan Pappe says. So plans and discussions have to have already begun some time ago because the groundwork has to have been laid. This is very crucial, enlightening and exciting !
I am simply amazed by the words.
What a marvellous human being!! Words cannot express the gratitude and respect I feel for Mr. Pappe and others such as Norman Finkelstein, Angela Davis, Christopher Hedges, Hasam Zomlot, Miko Peled, Nurit Peled Elhanan etc. They are shining enormous light and truth on the genocide committed by Israel. This knowledge is irefutable!!! I thank them from the bottom of my heart!!❣❣❣
Thank you for speaking up and sharing the truth.
This has to be the important dialogue to date on this subject. Thank you Al Jazeera for opening this door. Pappe's synthesis, his articulation, is rational, sensible, compassionate, daring, and insightful. This looks like the best path forward. What he says about south Africa, in relation to Israel, is dead on! Painful, but necessary.
Shame on Nyetanyau and his supporters,Mr Pape has now spoken the truth.God will answer them.
Thank God for people like IIan Pappe and Noam Chomsky. Voices of reason. Pappe's book on the 1948 Nakba is essential reading to explain the origins of the conflict.
I agree. 👍 It is shockingly accurate to see how history repeats itself, including the plan to use starvation as a weapon, which was considered by the Zionists as far back as 1948.
Vor allem, weil er sich da noch auf Quellen berufen konnte, die - wie ich vor kurzem las - demnächst nicht mehr frei zugänglich sei. sollen. Kein Wunder bei der jetzigen Apartheid- Regierung.
"A proper Palestinian organization"..This is what is desperately needed and there are definitely so many capable Palestinian minds that can coalesce to bring this Palestinian organization to fruition.
Thanks for this insightful interview. It is nice to see a positive vision of the future coming from a very wise man.
I live in South Africa, and have since 1983. The other day I was at the Barber Shop, it is owned and run by a Muslim man from Indian heritage. His staff is young Zulu men and women. During my haircuting session, the clientele that came through were Indian males, white males, and me an American expat male. To listen to the banter and leg pulling amoungst all ensundry was heart-warming and cheering to the spirit. In 1983 this group would not have ever been allowed to even assemble. South Africa, with all its warts, has made the transition that Professor Pappé envisions for Palestinians and the Israelis that want to stay as equals. Right now they don't know what they are missing.
Free Palestine and freedom for the Palestinians ❤️❤️❤️🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Thank you for sharing this. I’m a Palestinian-American living in Europe in a community that has become an immigration destination for Israelis and white South Africans. While I find it challenging to summon empathy for these self-designated “refugees” who have become disillusioned with their “homelands,” I understand that, ultimately, we are all children of the Empire. It warms my heart to hear your story.💜🕊️
@@Annissa-dv6kc Thanks. If you want an affirmation, Google a picture of the South African Ruby team. A once bastion of Afrikaans manhood and South African identity, is now fully South African and fully supported in the country and has been for years.
Huge respect to IIan Pappe .
❤
AMENmesse ca. 1203-1200 B.C. is the Nubian Pharaoh of the 19th dynasty that settled "sea peoples" in Kanaan ....In Christianity we end our prayers in his name, in honour of his role to Abrahamic religions....
Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...
Ilan Pappe has such a clear, quiet understanding. I so want to believe his vision can come to pass. His book "The ethnic cleansing of Palestine" is requisite reading for people on a journey of understanding.
Thank you Sir, your the great man. Told all the truth about the Gainist their all corruption.
So much respect for this gentle man. So grateful to see him speak in Toronto many years ago. Incredibly informative. 😢
What a bold individual on his own people... when they are up to flipflop in what is necessary...
I admired Ilan Pappe he is truthful Jew.
What a veiled shameful statement as if Jews with a different viewpoint are not truthful.
Wonderful human in every way- smart, brave, articulate, and a gift to us during these terrible days.
Thank you. This is one of the best interviews on the matter I have ever watched. So clear, so true. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Very informative and educative interview. The Professor is well knowledgeable of the long standing history of Palestine and Israel. The US and UK intentionally reject the facts when it comes to the case of Palestine. It's sad!
He’s an extraordinary man❤️🇵🇸🗝️
Ilan pappé is a nice, honest historian and very very simplistic thinker.
Omg someone talking sense
This intellectual Giant among the International Solidary Movement and the New Historian Movement is such an aspiring figure!
A fantastic interview thank you for exposing the truth.
Much appreciated.
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Can’t get tired to hear you Ilan Pappe ❤
Free free Palestine 🍉
Telling it like it is. Respect to Mr. Pappé. Though supposedly counter-intuitive, a one-state solution could be the right answer. It's what worked in my country, South Africa, though people didn't think it would.
We ought to live as egual , with egual rights for every one. Then no need for a wall of shame. Justice, equity, respect and humanity for all can bring security and real peace
It has worked for centuries.
Wouldn't it be wonderful again, all people of the 3 faiths living together in mutual respect and dignity.
@@orlandos8323 It would be wonderful and beautiful. I hope we see it someday!
Probably fair to say that the rival tribes in South Africa like the Boars, Zulu etc etc did not include many religious fanatics who consider they are on a mission from God to wipe out their rivals no matter what the cost and were keen to make a deal to avoid a never ending war. If Israel crumbles in the same way as other states in its imediate locality its probably going to go the same way as Syria, Lebanon and Iraqi with the moderate democrats crushed between rival extreme religious groups and fleeing into exile while the fanatics keep fighting. In this Ilan Pappe fleeing to UK in 2006 seems to be ahead of the rush.
I hear so much cruelty in the Israeli education system against Palestinians and the evil treatment. It feels like it would take generations to pass before Palestinians would get respect as human beings, even after the genocide and atrocities stopped.
Wise man 🌎🌱
it was a real pleasure listen to Pappe !
Ilan Pappe is a great historian
For sure. 👍
Excellent report!! Thank you to both of you. Dareen you really did your homework! Great questions. Very refreshing to hear such a thoughtful, well articulated summary Mr. Pappé. Much appreciated!
This is a good man 👍🏽
Indeed. Ilan Pappé is very good and honest historian. 🫡
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Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...
So sad, beyond comprehension to witness this horrific aggression everyday, the plight of the Gazans.
AMENmesse ca. 1203-1200 B.C. is the Nubian Pharaoh of the 19th dynasty that settled "sea peoples" in Kanaan ....In Christianity we end our prayers in his name, in honour of his role to Abrahamic religions..
I love listening to this gentleman and Avi Shlaim. They are treasures of humanity
A very informative and respectful conversation. Thank you
Indeed. Very informative and respectful. Excellent work,👌 Al Jazeera and Ilan Pappé.
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❤❤Prof Pappi❤❤what a great historian❤much Respect
Much respect, indeed. 🫡
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‼️Richtig 👏👏👏
Gut gesagt❤
Very good interview.
Dear Mr. Pappe,
Please come to Germany. We need some sense talked into our government.
Ich habe das Buch ,Die ethnische Säuberung Palästinas' vor Jahren gelesen und darüber gestaunt. dass Herr Pappe Zugang zu so vielen Quellen hatte. Da waren Aufzeichnungen von Ben Gurion darunter, die wenig schmeichelhaft waren. Auch durfte Herr Pappe Einsicht in Militärakten haben und damit der Wahrheitsgehalt seiner Untersuchung der damaligen Vorkommnisse untermauern.
and please talk to our MSM - they need the correct information
An honest man.
Thankyou!!!!!!!
This man convinced me and answered the questions I have asked myself, why, why people hate each other like this. Because of the school system and the teachings. Wow
I would love to see AJ have Professor Rashid Khalidi on this series. His work complements Professor Pappe’s nicely.
I love both Israelis and Palestinians and I pray one day they will both live in peace .This man is wise and brave he should lead .
Indeed.
Everyone who was there lived in peace side by side for centuries. Then something changed when an "-ism" was imposed.
@@Simon.the.Likeableexactly 💯 that
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Yes, Zionism.
Sorry after seeing ppl blockading aid truck do t think I could ever do a both sides. I’ll leave it at that.
A fantastic interview, thanks for sharing
Very impressed!
People like Professor Pappé are lights in the dark ❤
Thank you Al Jazeera
Hat - angesichts dieses Interviews - irgendein europäischer TV Sender Grund auf Al Jazeera herabzublicken? Ganz klar: Nein! Ihr von ARD, ZDF etc solltet Euch ein Beispiel daran nehmen, wie Journalismus auszusehen hat, damit er akzeptiert wird.
This is the most compelling argument for a one-state solution that I have encountered to date.
Thank you Professor for telling the truth.long live, Palestine will be free one day
May god have mercy to Palestinian and god bless this man for standing up with humanity 😢
À very thoughtful insight into what is possible. Thank you Prof Pape
What an honest intellectual! Professor Pappe is indeed a gift to humanity!
illan pappe is a courageous voice for truth
Thank you very much for this Interview ❤
Salute to such sacred soul, who alone stand in favour of humanity, with his courageous voice. Thanking both and channel.
So clear, thank you!
Indeed. 👍
Feels like this convo was way too short… but it's super important to get Prof Pappé's voice out there ✊
Thanks and respect for speaking truth
Thank you both for the interesting interview. This is the first time I have heard an open discussion on the one state solution, definitely the best solution I have heard so far.
Die Frage ist, weshalb sind derartig aufklärerische 24:59 Interviews im deutschen TV nicht zu sehen? Warum und von wem wird das verhindert?
Thank you for making this meeting possible.
A great human with Heart
Absolutely.
Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...
Welch ein Unterschied zu den in Deutschland lebenden Juden Schuster in Wolffsohn. Gäbe es nur mehr von der Art Pappe oder Chomsky @@manubande
To know true peace, one must have peace with the truth. Thank you for that concept, Illan Pappe.
Thanks for this incredibly important interview with Ilan Pappe. It is clear, concise, clarifying how a one state solution is the answer. Western governments should listen to this and try to use it as a framework for urgent discussion, rather than mouthing a two state solution which is not feasible and politically bankrupt.
" The first time the phrase “human animal” was recorded in history was by himmaliar, in The Posen speech to SS officers (6 October 1943) - On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians.
Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1
According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1
When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1
From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations.
A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower.
The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest.
The reported ages of the victims are as follows:
0-4: 2 civilians
5-12: 8 civilians
13-17: 14 civilians
18-25: 132 civilians
26-40: 119 civilians
41-60: 55 civilians
61+: 40 civilians
Active duty military personnel:
18-25: 258 active duty military personnel
26-40: 60 active duty military personnel
41-60: 17 active duty military personnel
61+: 1 active duty military personnel
haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr
There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%"
-Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well'
-Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband'
Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh
UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023:
2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440.
2012 - 3,992 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 255.
2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492.
2018 - 31,259 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 300.
2019 - 15,491 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 138.
2020 - 2,581 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 30.
2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349.
2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191.
2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227.
civilian deaths on the other side -
2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9
2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26
Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel.
Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc
The "Costs of War" study by brown in 2021 has these figures for the past 20 years of engagement of US policy: indirect deaths 4.5-4.7 million, direct 905-940,000 ; in other words 6 Million Deaths and 38 million displaced. This is relevant because of the Yinon Plan.
wow thank yuou for publishing these all important stats which change everything
Everyone should read the Yinon plan.
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Mr Pappe is a great and intelligent human being. May he always be blessed. Thank you both