You might notice that the Third Doctor doesn't have an entry. Unfortunately, part of his entry received a Content ID claim, so we decided to trim out the entire entry rather than leave it with a jarring cut in the middle. To make sure every Doctor is accounted for, here's the Third Doctor's entry, as originally scripted! "It's well known that the Third Doctor was always a bit handy with his fists. Generally, however, Venusian aikido was only ever used in self-defence. The same can't be said for his handiness with an Ogron blaster in Day of the Daleks. Escaping the siege of Auderley House, the Doctor comes across two slow-moving Ogrons advancing on him. Watching the scene as broadcast, the Doctor has plenty of time to take another route, but he chooses not to. Instead, he turns the blaster on one of the Ogrons and vaporizes the poor thing. It's a shocking moment from a character who never tires of lecturing people on the merits of pacifism. Perhaps inspired by Star Wars' infamous "Han shot first" debate, this scene was re-edited for the 2011 special edition release. Some blaster effects were added, coming from the Ogrons' direction, to suggest that the Third Doctor was indeed firing in self-defence. But we know the truth, don't we Doctor?"
i would say that the tenth doctor's darkest moment was with The Family, when he tortured them by making their wish of immortality come true in a very monkey's paw way
I always thought that Capaldi's Doctor being told he would be a "good Dalek" was a reflection of this, even if the meaning was subtly different (well I thought it was).
The First Doctor convincing Nero to burn down Rome to avoid an easily escapable situation and than laughing manically as the City of Rome visibly burns behind him is the single darkest and most hilarious moment on the show.
I think one reason The Doctor felt such guilt over the Time War was that The Fourth Doctor had a chance to avert it, didn't, and he blames himself for what happened, especially since The Time Lords gave him permission to take action to make the Daleks less dangerous .
@@medafan53 The problem is, by not acting, The Doctor ensured that the Daleks would always exist. Once the Daleks gained the ability to time travel they became an eternal threat because it is never certain if they have been eliminated.
@@Solitaire001I know, though they'd long had that ability, since their 3rd appearence, my point is it's not just, "I could have stopped it" it's "Me being there was what _started_ it"
The Darkest Third doctor moment has to be Inferno. When the earths core erupts lava and He refuses to save the Alt Dimension version of his friends and leaves them to die a horrible death. It was so influential it caused the Third doctor to have a phobia of fire.
Surely the Doctor's darkest moment of all was when the War Doctor decided that the best thing for all concerned was to destroy Gallifrey and wipe out both the Time Lords and the Daleks with The Moment?
Especially in light of the novelisation too; the world being more fleshed out makes the Doctor's decision all the more impulsive and heartless. For anyone who's read "The Good Doctor" though, karma does catch up to her.
A slight correction to Thirteen's darkest moment. She DOES actually use his skin colour against him. She's already revealed him as a spy to the Nazis, then she unnecessarily removes the perception filter saying, "Now they'll see the real you!". It's literally one of the most needlessly cruel things the Doctor has ever done.
Perception filters do more than that. It's pretty similar to the plan the doctor had regarding the master being prime minister. He's using technology to convince everyone he's cool, put our perception filters on him and they'll cancel out. "People will see who he really is"
I keep thinking that the 14th darkest moment is in the giggle, with the Toymaker saying everything that happend to the companion between Donna and Donna, and the Doctor responding to each while there are no excuses for what happend to them.
"About to kill the Racnoss"? He DID kill her brood of babies, even as she cried and screamed. He's not all sunshine and rainbows like people think (same with his 5th incarnation).
Which situation? The time Eleven had to force Amy to loose faith in him? Or the time Eleven gave Old Amy hope only to crush it/“kill” her and loose respect and trust from Rory? Or maybe the whole Lake Silencio plot?
The third Doctor shooting Ogrons only stands out if you consider if you consider a handgun a particularly awful way for killing. In 'The Monster of Peladon' he kills way more Ice Warriors (who aren't a direct threat to him personally) using Eckersley's teleporting statue. The fourth's decision in 'Genesis' is more of a big picture morality issue than a particularly dark moment. In the same episode he turn s off Davros' life support system briefly and threatens to do so permanently if Davros doesn't order the Dalek's destroyed. He also attempts to kill Davros in 'Destiny of the Daleks' with a bomb and only fails because the Daleks remove it before he hit's the detonator. In 'The Brain of Morbius' he straight up murders Solon with poison gas. In 'The Ribos Operation' he kills the Graff Vynda-Kwith a bomb, though there was a big element of self defense there. The fifth's (apparently) killing the Master is pretty vicious, but he also directly kills Monarch in 'Four to Doomsday,' the cyber-leader in 'Earthshock,' and Omega in 'Arc of Infinity.' Ten's bit in 'The Waters of Mars' is more like one of his dumbest moments. He could have taken the survivors to some safe non-human world or far enough into the future to save them without changing history. His decision to torture the Family of Blood for all eternity is a lot darker and requires some rather god-like off screen shennanigans to achieve. As for Eleven, I can't help but say Solomon had it coming. He had, after all, murdered all the Silurians on the ship. A much darker moment comes at the end of 'The Girl Who Waited' when he slams the Tardis door shut to keep older Amy from getting in. That was cold even it necessary.
Another really dark moment is when The Seventh Doctor tricks the Daleks into destroying Skaro in Remembrance of the Daleks. While destroying the Daleks is a good thing, the Daleks weren’t the only ones living on Skaro at the time, there was also the Thaals. The original Daleks story takes place in the far future, so they were definitely there. While it’s not clear if these Thaals were more like the militant group (Genesis) or the peaceful, hippie types (The Daleks), the point remains. This isn’t brought up anywhere, but it certainly happened. Edit: Changed Genesis to Remembrance. Thanks for the catch, Elliot. Edit: Upon rewatching Remembrance of the Daleks, I realize that they said that the energy beam returned to the Dalek’s native time zone, so this could mean that the Thaals had left the planet by then. I tend to go with this theory, because I don’t think that the Doctor would sacrifice them like this, even in a dark moment.
The problem with making the Doctor the hero, occasionally weighted down by power and loneliness and his - darnit! - individuality, is that it ignores a basic chilling reality (one actually heightened by The Timeless Child idea): this is an alien cosplaying as a human. I start to think we know too much.
Yeah, I can't believe the Doctor would do something as evil as stopping a monster who literally eats babies. A true hero would have let the Goblin King escape and eat more children.
Yeah I'd say the stuff with the Fourth Doctor snapping necks like he's a black ops video game style character is darker than him deciding to take the "I wouldn't kill Baby Hitler" side of the moral "Is it right to kill baby Hitler?" hypothetical.
Honestly, that entire premise is very restrictive. If you are able to get to the position to make that choice, then you are in the position to take him down a different path.
Thank you for the link to Better Help - I literally paused the video to go and sign up. While I can't really afford the weekly fee, it IS still cheaper than one-on-one therapy, and I really needed the push to get help. Thank you.
I honestly think that the Fourth had rather justifiable fears the absence of the Daleks would 1) screw up his own history and 2) leave the Timelords unchecked. Frankly, his own people could be a pack of "Rickies" when they really get rolling.
With the 15th, The Goblin king literally just goes around eating babies..So whatever. The 13th' moment tho...Ya Chibnell dropped the ball in that case.
With the Doctor gunning down the general, It always seemed to me like the General was at peace and didn't really mind sacrificing one regeneration, I mean they probably didn't want to die but, at least it was the Doctor and he would have made sure it wouldn't have killed the general out right. Still a dark moment though, I felt that using Bennet as a way to test the list his ghost hologram was spouting was a darker moment, because he knew he hadn't figured it out quite yet and that he wasn't going to be able to save Bennet but let the Fisher King kill her anyway. Or indeed the speech he gave Me after Clara's death, I dunno why but I loved 12 when he was at his angriest, most enraged or really hammering a point home, essentially any time he had a monologue, I could definitely sit through a Peter Capaldi threat and applaud at the end even if it were aimed at me.
I thought of Deep Breath, and the moment you see the clockwork guy impaled on a spire, and the next shot is the doctor peering down, then looking into the camera with a chilling stare... it's never stated, but we all know what happened then...
I do recall reading somewhere on the internet, so it must be true, that Terrance Dicks said that Pertwee's Doctor shooting the Ogron was a mistake. Well as has been commented recently "That's alright then!"
That whole church spire bit bothers me, not because it was dark, loved that. Just, how did that goblin ship crashing down on a church spire not get noticed, especially when a clergy is on the way to the door for the baby.
The third doctor while cut out for content ID, I personally think his darkest moment is in inferno. he refuses to take back parallel earth liz shaw and brig, he outright had the ability to save lives and yet he chose to discard them to save himself.
Can the 12th dr killing the general be his darkest moment considering he would know before hand that the general would regenerate if he knew he would definitely die when he shot him that would be dark.
I have a theory about Solomon. Remember, the Eleventh Doctor knows for certain that the person he hates the most is himself. And whose retconned face does Solomon have...?
THANK YOU, you and I agree regarding the Fifth Doctor. When I saw that scene, I was horrified. For all the Doctor knew, the Master didn't have any more regenerations left yet he just stood there while the Master appears to be burning to death. I was quite disappointed, since the Fifth Doctor is thought to be one of the gentler incarnations.
To be honest, I disagree with the choice for the Fourth Doctor. The decision to not destroy the Daleks is in fact one of his most morally correct moments, not just for that Doctor, but the character as a whole, as he realises destroying one monster would only create another, and an eye for an eye is never the way. “If I do it, wipe out a whole intelligent species, I’d become like them, I’d be no better than the Daleks.” I’d argue his darkest moment is in Image of the Fendahl, when side-character Max is possessed by the Fendahl and begs the Doctor to give him a gun, stating that he wishes to end his life rather than suffer at the hands of the monster. The Doctor obliges.
What would have happened if he had done it? Not that it was mentioned, at all, but what about Susan? If the Daleks never left Scaro, where would she be? Shunted off to an alternate timeline? Wiped away by history? Or would time change around her, leaving her alone in a world where David either was never born or didn't know her?
@@ChanceChandlerZombieTARDIS They explored it in a Big Finish, basically the Time War would have started early and the Doctor would have totally lost themselves, becoming a worse version of the War Doctor.
@ChanceChandlerZombieTARDIS I would say David would have been born still because I believe the invasion only started about a year or so before the TARDIS arrived so it's a matter of where David would be without the Daleks existing to invade earth. As for what would have happened to Susan she would have still found love but not necessarily with David or maybe she would a universe without the Daleks might mean that some others might have invaded earth, perhaps the Cybermen or Zygons instead. It is something worth pondering certainly. As the 7th Doctor said every great decision creates ripples.
If I was a Actor who got the chance too be the Doctor I would insist on playing him as morally ambiguous, with plenty of sarcastic and caustic one liners, no simping, crying and prancing around in nightclubs, slightly calculating, not afraid of showing the dark side and killing a enemy, I would have hints of Avon from Blakes 7 in the character and have him feared and respected by the enemies
In Journeys End, Nine promised to take Lynda (with a Y) travelling with him and that he would keep her safe as they had a clear infatuation with each other. After she is killed by the Daleks he doesn't ever give her another thought. Also, in The Fires of Pompeii, the Doctor just coldly walking past Caecilius and his family trembling in terror and deciding to leave everyone until Donna convinces him otherwise.
I mean sure, executing Solomon was dark, but I would argue that Eleven had an even darker moment. Rory the Roman, to the Cybermen: "I have a message from the Doctor, and a question from me." Cybermen: "What is the message?" *dozens of cyberships explode outside* Eleven straight-up massacred thousands of Cybermen as an interrogation technique.
For the two Doctors who weren't mentioned: The Fugitive Doctor probably did some shady stuff with Division, but instinctively de-horning a Judoon was pretty messed up. For the War Doctor, we know he didn't use the Moment, but considering using it had to be his darkest moment.
Six strangling Peri is not only disturbing, it's just a stupid and uncharacteristic choice for the character to make...alien values addled from post-regenerative trauma or not. It could've been handled differently. I think it hurt the 6th Doctors character portrayal going forward.
and it did. Why did they stay with that terrible script and the way it was acted complete with vile music was way overkill. A pity it can never be remove from history.
The entry for the 8th doctor really shows how much this channel needs to research no tv media, like big finish, cause 8 gets really dark (in one timeline his actuons and manipulation even make 7 appealed, to be fa8r that 8 gave advanced technology to space sharks in order to wipe out everyone on earth, not even 7 would go that far). There's his actions in architects of history, siding with the daleks in blood of the daleks, preventing the erasure of the daleks from history to save his companion, Threatening to break the laws of time and kill the monk, leaving the monk to die out of pure revenge (he deserved it), lying to his c9mpanion about the fact that her aunt actually died before she was born and the person they knew as their aunt was actually a zygon, etc.
Daleks are the worst creatures in the galaxy. They kill without any type of emotion and no remorse. Can’t imagine that letting them die as a dark moment.
I had meant to say something about the Third Doctor being left out, but reading your post I see it was done because TH-cam censored it. Also I did type the post but it was the size of a novel so I am just going to say this right here... Thank you for showing the clips of the 14th and 15th Doctor Who. Many would complain about spoilers. I am not. Because I and 70% of all established Doctor Who Fans will NEVER get to see the 14th and 15th Doctor Who with-out paying the Extortion fees of the stupid Disney+ Pay Wall. I had hoped to save the money to get a Region Free player (These are quite legal by the way) And the BBC DVD/Blu-Ray region free disc of these Doctor Who Episodes, Except people who have done this report the Region Free DVD/Blu-Ray does not work leading me to suspect that Disney+ Complained when they learned BBC was doing this and put a stop to it. I believe if the rumors are correct, that the BBC is souring on their deal with stupid Disney+ And its possible that the deal WILL NOT BE RENEWED!
Also selling out the master to the Germans isn’t dark, it’s poetic justice since the Master has done worse things and is going to be punished by the race he holds disdain for, humans
Another dark one for 11 is Colonel Runaway. Sure, it’s more funny than dark in the show, but the idea of making this dude, who actually is pretty good at his job and who might be convinced if just talked to, give an order that will forever have him branded as a coward is pretty messed up
I would argue that 12's could have been abandoning Clara in Kill The Moon or Killing the Android in Deep Breathe (if he did) Both have much darker implications than him shooting a timelord. They're also presented as much darker in their respective episodes. I think there's arguments to be made to back all 3 as the darkest mind you but I think I'm biased because killing the timelord felt like it was written for shock value so it never actually felt that deep to me.
The Android no, though killing the general is also no. The 12th has no idea what he is doing in either instance, he may not even be sure who he is for the Android. Abandoning Clara isn't dark, it's a big picture moment. Humans must make the decision. My money, save regenerating into the insufferable 1st Noctor. Would be Time Heist. Not "being" the architect and causing all that happens. The fact that he likely figured out he was the architect inside a minute and didn't pull the plug, that's dark.
Thing is, the nursery that the Doctor was concerned about went up anyway when he later went back and tried to end them anyway, and a Dalek trod on the leads that could set off the bomb. HOWEVER, all of that is irrelevent because unless they destroyed the existing Daleks - and they did not - all of this could easily be rebuilt, which it was. The REAL problem was not destroying DAVROS, who spent the rest of his life - and he may not actually be dead, we're not sure - helping the Daleks grow in power. The Master was responsible for causing much of the universe to be destroyed thanks to his messing around on Logopolis, by that point, not to mention all the other things he's done to people throughout the years. With him regenerating and having a new perfected molecular compression gun, the galaxy was even more at stake. The Doctor probably believed - correctly - that the Master somehow escaped, though not unscathed. He obviously nearly died there, as the Sixth Doctor encountered a very vindictive Master when he discovered the Rani. Eccleston's grand performance cannot be underlined enough. I wish he'd come back for a multi-doctor episode, even though I know he has no intention to. His response to Cassandra and the first Dalek is very on point. Cassandra caused her own death because of the heat she inflicted on the station. The Dalek was one of his oldest enemies, essentially brought low by the history of violence playing out until this one Dalek was kept as a pet by a human. You couldn't really expect him NOT to appreciate the irony, especially in his state. And to be clear, *the Doctor was very definitely trying to destroy the Dalek.* He wasn't prolonging it. It's just the only method he had on hand. I wouldn't fault Doctor Thirteen for doing what was done. By this point, it's minor in comparison to what the Master does when he's Rasputin, among other things. I mean, literally BEING the wizard hobo man from Russia and doing what he did is...yikes. It's even worse than the Cyber-Rain Cybermen. Yes, even that. The salt is not black magic. There is no real magic in Doctor Who. Much like with the goblins and carrionites, all perceived magic is a near-inscrutible craft of science. What the Doctor invoked in Wild Blue Yonder was believe and imagination, playing mind games at the edge of reailty. That is why the Toymaker would appear. That is why Music followed.
How can you possibly say that NOT Destroying the Daleks was the fourth Doctor's darkest moment. Nothing could be further from the truth. Having watched that particular story countless times, m ost recently a couple of weeks ago, I can honestly say he wasn't moralizing about the World being a better place. He was moralizing about whether or not he had the right to commit genocide like the Daleks were guilty of several times over. He was basically saying that if he destroyed the Daleks he would basically be nobetter than they were. And that is a noble point of view when you think about it. Whether you want to think about it or not.
Younger viewers maybe? They might change their minds they age to see this as an act of moral ambiguity where the fourth was simply trying to resolve what was ethically right. People who question actions are often the most moral of them all.
Just started rewatching the first special again notice a lady behind the doctor, Donna and her daughter that has her phone aimed in the opposite direction from where the spaceship is crossing the sky could this be a plant that will come back in the future season and explained i think it will considering who's running the show again
For the most part, I agree with the Doctor's choices. The last Master in particular was just nasty business, just nothing of value there to care about. I found his evil to be deliciously fun, but he really went above and beyond, there is nothing about him that is worth saving. I felt similar towards the guy the 11th Doctor killed, just someone who would do anything for money, there was nothing good about them, nothing of value.
I do agree that 8 choosing to become The Warrior is fairly dark, but I’d say that him becoming Zagreus was definitely another massive contender for his darkest moment - and the entire season that follows with his exile outside the universe featured quite a few very dark choices of his. The entire Scherzo episode was very dark. 8 definitely has more than his fair share of dark moments; I love how much they really have detailed his fall from the bright happy doctor in the movie to the doctor that chose to become the warrior; he is definitely my favourite for a reason ;)
but later on didnt a dalek run over the wires destroying the daleks in incubation but the master killed the 4th doctor almost destroying the universe would you help him?
The basic flaw with Genesis of the Daleks is that the Doctor has been sent to destroy the series go-to monster to revive ratings and sell merchandise. None of us watching at the time actually fell for the idea that he'd succeed.
What makes it weirder is that we don’t see the Daleks again until season 17 (like 4 years later) so they really could have killed them then and found some way to bring them back with Destiny of the Daleks
What about casually being the cause of Rome burning and just watching, laughing gleefully, like don't get me wrong out of context fucking hilarious... bit almost an entire city burnt to the ground... and he laughed...
The thing I find kinda funny about Ncuti's first episode is that he was hinted to be a clean slate mentally with the whole out of order therapy thing in the specials, then he gets upset and murders 😂 must just be in the doctors blood
No the 13 master thing did have to do with the masters skin, that's what the perception filter was about she could have shown him to be a spy without removing the filter.
I like the idea of the list, but TBH you could do a full list each for 1 and 9-12 easily, The issue with most of the picks, aside from having 3 irrelevant entries at the end (the 3 Noctor's can't do dark things, it would be wrong) is the circumstances, which Ellie touches on. The 1st did much darker things, being cold/logical isn't inherantly dark. Laughing as a city burns, that's dark, Most of the rest of the old era Doctors are hard tbf. The 2nd, big picture, doesn't count. 3rd, doesn't count, live fire and it wasn't only himself he was protecting. 4th, big picture, doesn't count. 5th, Maybe. I'd argue though, that the Doctor fears no species as much as his own so, big picture? 6th doesn't count, he had no idea who he was or what he was doing. And he stopped. 7th, big picture, doesn't count. 8th, We didn't see enough tbh. That being said, there's some darker bits in big finish stuff. 9th, Dalek was bad, but he had an understandable motive. I'd argue his treatment of Adam, or Mickey is worse. 10th, He almost wasn't himself, he assumed he could deal with any consequence. Arrogant, sure, dark no. The family of Blood, peak dark, peak Doctor, Cruelty for cruelties sake/vengeance for John Smith. 11th, nah, mercenary sure, but dark? Starship UK, he gave into his dark side when he decided to lobotomise the beast. He had to be reminded there is always a better way. 12th, aside from allegedly regenerating into the 1st Noctor (We are sure that wasn't Missy/The Rani/Jenny/Clara in a pocket dimension?). Time Heist. Not "being" the architect and causing all that happens. The fact that he likely figured out he was the architect inside a minute and didn't pull the plug, that's dark.
@@DrWhoFanJ Really, what's your reasoning? Better yet, what's your objection? The term or the inference? Whether you like the noctor's/new shows isn't the question. If so, have fun. If you dislike the term, pick another. If the inference...... You see no difference? You see no divide? Leave quality and even opinion aside. The character, across 13(15) incarnations had certain traits and beliefs that are gone now. Now does things or accepts things they never would before. Coin another term, prove there is no difference or leave me my shortcut to highlight that difference.
I feel like 15th darkest so far was when he was dragging sutekh around in his tardis killing him in the most brutal way possible, imagine the pain sutekh felt
Thirteen also genocided the cybermen, daleks and most of the sontarans to the flux, along with killing the spiders in the slowest most painful way possible. All with a righteous smile. I swear, Jodie’s series may have been the worst by far in terms of writing (some of the supposedly “dark” stuff is downright evil and the attempt at justification makes her look so dumb) but on the whole they added a lot to the doctor’s moral ambiguity and detachment from human ideals. They are an unbelievably powerful alien and we need to be frequently reminded of that or we get too complacent. It is in fact one of the main reasons I love the character so much! So much darkness, yet so complex, nuanced, redeemable and easy to root for. Over the course of the entire show, all told, SUCH a well written character.
Also I prefer to give 15 yhe benefit of the doubt and say he may not have intended for the spire to impale the ship literally exactly where the king was sitting, since that would be hard to control and he can’t see inside the ship. Though I’m sure we’ll get a moment or two in the upcoming seasons that showcase his darker side - which I hope still remains in some form - which surpasses that.
Most, if not all of the Doctors have done the exact same thing to the Daleks, Cybermen and Sontarans. And even then what you claim is not true, the Sontarans destroyed the Daleks and Cybermen and the Doctor used what the Sontarans did against them so she was actually justified in doing that, she even warned them previously to not return. I've noticed people criticizing 13 for things her male predecessors did but were never criticised for, hmmm.
you obviously haven't listened to/read the 8th doctor adventures! I've only listened to scherzo and zagreus and those two are already darker than the night of the doctor
Okay, just going off of thr thumbnail: every doctor from the War Doctor onward is a mass murderer😂 War-14 killed all of the Time Lords and most of the Daleks. Yes ik they fixed it later, but it still happened at one point. The memories are still there, right? Or are the memories gone too since 10 and 11 stopped the War Doctor from destroying the Time Lords? I'm getting confused with Timey Wimey stuff
i mean. luring an entire fleet of martian ice warriors to fly into the sun was pretty dark for the 2nd doctor. with the ice lord even pointing it out to them.
Thjere was an animated Doctor Who series or film??🙂😲:-OPoor Noble.And Doctor Who.Why the Heck??😞Why would the Goblin King eat a baby??Ruby was not a plant.
Those are pretty bad, but betraying one of your very best friends to an empire of genocidal pepper pots is proper evil. It's a trait you don't see to often in Doctor Who. I only remember 2, 7 and 11 as being that manipulative to their friends.
Really? _Not_ destroying the Daleks was Four's darkest moment? How about gassing Mehendri Solon with cyanide in Karn, in a desperate attempt to kill Morbius? Which btw was only necessary because of his amazing stupidity to leave Solon alone with his monster, when he was perfectly capable of dismantling Morbius' body himself. The universe _might_ be better off without the Daleks, but we all know the Whoniverse wouldn't.
With the Goblin King thing I think there was nothing else to be done, baby Ruby on a conveyor belt that the Doctor wasn't going to be able to stop in time.
Brother: He never raised his voice. That was the worst thing. The fury of the Time Lord. And then we discovered why. Why this Doctor who had fought with gods and demons, why he’d run away from us and hidden. He was being kind... We wanted to live forever, so the Doctor made sure that we did. 😱
You might notice that the Third Doctor doesn't have an entry. Unfortunately, part of his entry received a Content ID claim, so we decided to trim out the entire entry rather than leave it with a jarring cut in the middle.
To make sure every Doctor is accounted for, here's the Third Doctor's entry, as originally scripted!
"It's well known that the Third Doctor was always a bit handy with his fists. Generally, however, Venusian aikido was only ever used in self-defence.
The same can't be said for his handiness with an Ogron blaster in Day of the Daleks. Escaping the siege of Auderley House, the Doctor comes across two slow-moving Ogrons advancing on him.
Watching the scene as broadcast, the Doctor has plenty of time to take another route, but he chooses not to. Instead, he turns the blaster on one of the Ogrons and vaporizes the poor thing. It's a shocking moment from a character who never tires of lecturing people on the merits of pacifism.
Perhaps inspired by Star Wars' infamous "Han shot first" debate, this scene was re-edited for the 2011 special edition release. Some blaster effects were added, coming from the Ogrons' direction, to suggest that the Third Doctor was indeed firing in self-defence.
But we know the truth, don't we Doctor?"
i would say that the tenth doctor's darkest moment was with The Family, when he tortured them by making their wish of immortality come true in a very monkey's paw way
@@LiaLia0407 true. however. i still think leaving people to die in a dying alternate universe is worse.
you should use Ellie/River's sonic for an outro, would be a nice touch
Had noticed that and was going to comment on it, but since it's already adress...
So TH-cam censors Doctor Who but not every video of Don the Con being shot at. Shame on TH-cam.
"You would make a good Dalek." Chilling and, at the time it was said, very nearly true. Said by the damaged Dalek to The Doctor's ninth incarnation.
*ninth.
I love nimth
One of the best lines in the entire 60 years of Doctor Who.
I remember that! Yeah, it was appropriate.
I always thought that Capaldi's Doctor being told he would be a "good Dalek" was a reflection of this, even if the meaning was subtly different (well I thought it was).
The First Doctor convincing Nero to burn down Rome to avoid an easily escapable situation and than laughing manically as the City of Rome visibly burns behind him is the single darkest and most hilarious moment on the show.
"The Romans is the best Doctor Who story!"
The Romans:
Yeah I loved that moment
Its equally hilarious and dark
I also like the earlier scene where the doctor is laughing and enjoying himself while fighting and killing and assassin.
@charlestownsend9280 he doesn't kill him you good 😂
I like it when you actually embrace classic doctor who too often you forget to dive into that aspect of the show
Great point and it then pleases everyone and makes us feel included.
I think one reason The Doctor felt such guilt over the Time War was that The Fourth Doctor had a chance to avert it, didn't, and he blames himself for what happened, especially since The Time Lords gave him permission to take action to make the Daleks less dangerous .
Oh it gets worse. That mission? The daleks found out about it, that was the first shot of the Time War.
@@medafan53 The problem is, by not acting, The Doctor ensured that the Daleks would always exist. Once the Daleks gained the ability to time travel they became an eternal threat because it is never certain if they have been eliminated.
@@Solitaire001I know, though they'd long had that ability, since their 3rd appearence, my point is it's not just, "I could have stopped it" it's "Me being there was what _started_ it"
Good old big finish answers this, and it doesn't work and instead starts the time war earlier.
Also 8 had a similar opportunity and could have wiped them from existence and didn't, cause it would cost his companions life.
The Darkest Third doctor moment has to be Inferno. When the earths core erupts lava and He refuses to save the Alt Dimension version of his friends and leaves them to die a horrible death.
It was so influential it caused the Third doctor to have a phobia of fire.
It’s telling how dark the Timelord Victorious was that it superseded what Tenth did to the Family of Blood.
They asked for it.
Surely the Doctor's darkest moment of all was when the War Doctor decided that the best thing for all concerned was to destroy Gallifrey and wipe out both the Time Lords and the Daleks with The Moment?
also don't forget the regular people who live in gallifrey
No, Thirteen’s darkest moment was the entirety of “Kerblam!”
Especially in light of the novelisation too; the world being more fleshed out makes the Doctor's decision all the more impulsive and heartless. For anyone who's read "The Good Doctor" though, karma does catch up to her.
@@mr.vanillamilkshake3 Imma guess “Doctor Who: The Good Doctor” is still better the “The Good Doctor” the medical drama.
Let's not forget locking up a bunch of sapient spiders to slowly suffocate to death. Dammit Chibnall.
You can't seriously be telling me Kerblam! was worse than the entire Pting episode.
Except the bit where she was upset about not being allowed to climb on the conveyer belts.
The fact that The Doctor's not always conventionally the good guy with no flaws, is what makes his character interesting and engaging.
U saying “but we know the truth don’t we doctor” sounded like an evil villain lecturing the doctor about his darkness.
A slight correction to Thirteen's darkest moment. She DOES actually use his skin colour against him. She's already revealed him as a spy to the Nazis, then she unnecessarily removes the perception filter saying, "Now they'll see the real you!". It's literally one of the most needlessly cruel things the Doctor has ever done.
Perception filters do more than that. It's pretty similar to the plan the doctor had regarding the master being prime minister. He's using technology to convince everyone he's cool, put our perception filters on him and they'll cancel out. "People will see who he really is"
As for the Tenth Doctor what about the ending of The Family of Blood. “The fury of a time lord”.
I thought the same thing.
Did you answer yourself?
@@J0yceJ0star wait, they did 😭 im so confused
And that was The Doctor being 'kind'.
It's not a bad case, but I still think the Doctor saying he should be allowed to play God, then doubling down when told it's wrong, is worse.
I keep thinking that the 14th darkest moment is in the giggle, with the Toymaker saying everything that happend to the companion between Donna and Donna, and the Doctor responding to each while there are no excuses for what happend to them.
Thirteen killed all the spiders. Ten was about to kill the Racnoss in a suicide attack but Donna stopped him. Eleven made Amy not trust him.
Except for that one giant spider. The rich guy shot the spider out of malice.
"About to kill the Racnoss"? He DID kill her brood of babies, even as she cried and screamed. He's not all sunshine and rainbows like people think (same with his 5th incarnation).
Which situation?
The time Eleven had to force Amy to loose faith in him? Or the time Eleven gave Old Amy hope only to crush it/“kill” her and loose respect and trust from Rory? Or maybe the whole Lake Silencio plot?
The third Doctor shooting Ogrons only stands out if you consider if you consider a handgun a particularly awful way for killing. In 'The Monster of Peladon' he kills way more Ice Warriors (who aren't a direct threat to him personally) using Eckersley's teleporting statue.
The fourth's decision in 'Genesis' is more of a big picture morality issue than a particularly dark moment. In the same episode he turn s off Davros' life support system briefly and threatens to do so permanently if Davros doesn't order the Dalek's destroyed. He also attempts to kill Davros in 'Destiny of the Daleks' with a bomb and only fails because the Daleks remove it before he hit's the detonator. In 'The Brain of Morbius' he straight up murders Solon with poison gas. In 'The Ribos Operation' he kills the Graff Vynda-Kwith a bomb, though there was a big element of self defense there.
The fifth's (apparently) killing the Master is pretty vicious, but he also directly kills Monarch in 'Four to Doomsday,' the cyber-leader in 'Earthshock,' and Omega in 'Arc of Infinity.'
Ten's bit in 'The Waters of Mars' is more like one of his dumbest moments. He could have taken the survivors to some safe non-human world or far enough into the future to save them without changing history. His decision to torture the Family of Blood for all eternity is a lot darker and requires some rather god-like off screen shennanigans to achieve.
As for Eleven, I can't help but say Solomon had it coming. He had, after all, murdered all the Silurians on the ship. A much darker moment comes at the end of 'The Girl Who Waited' when he slams the Tardis door shut to keep older Amy from getting in. That was cold even it necessary.
the things was that the writers said that ogron had to die to make sense later
2 killed more ice warriors in seeds of death. literally lured an entire fleet to fly into the sun
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As Jake Peralta (Brooklyn 99) said once: "Cool motive, still a murder"
Another really dark moment is when The Seventh Doctor tricks the Daleks into destroying Skaro in Remembrance of the Daleks. While destroying the Daleks is a good thing, the Daleks weren’t the only ones living on Skaro at the time, there was also the Thaals. The original Daleks story takes place in the far future, so they were definitely there. While it’s not clear if these Thaals were more like the militant group (Genesis) or the peaceful, hippie types (The Daleks), the point remains. This isn’t brought up anywhere, but it certainly happened.
Edit: Changed Genesis to Remembrance. Thanks for the catch, Elliot.
Edit: Upon rewatching Remembrance of the Daleks, I realize that they said that the energy beam returned to the Dalek’s native time zone, so this could mean that the Thaals had left the planet by then. I tend to go with this theory, because I don’t think that the Doctor would sacrifice them like this, even in a dark moment.
I think you meant Remembrance! Otherwise, really good point!
7 did pretty much the same to the cybermen too, just with a huge fleet of ships.
@@elliottwatt5297 Right you are. I changed it.
@@sophiachalloner8951 Yeah, he got some definitive blows against many foes.
@@TwoCentReview and everyone knows, if you step on his toes, down the toilet is where this goes.
The way I see 11s is that Solomon pushed him over the edge with nearly killing Brian who was technically part of his family
Yeah and the triceratops was adorable it was like shooting a pet dog not to mention the Silurian's
@@BobBruce-fs8fp that as well
I just gotta say this, Ellie. I absolutely love your hair. It's beautifully straight, glossy, and I think it's red-ish.
I think we all came here for the Timelord Victorious
The problem with making the Doctor the hero, occasionally weighted down by power and loneliness and his - darnit! - individuality, is that it ignores a basic chilling reality (one actually heightened by The Timeless Child idea): this is an alien cosplaying as a human. I start to think we know too much.
So glad someone mentioned that he impaled the goblin king.
Jabba the Goblin? ;-P
Yeah, I can't believe the Doctor would do something as evil as stopping a monster who literally eats babies. A true hero would have let the Goblin King escape and eat more children.
Eat Children And Find Out = FAFO
It was only forever, not long at all. He could have trapped him in a Labyrinth... ah, wrong goblin king
After the 15th doctor is finish I bet they will do “10 more darkest doctor moment”
Jodie's darkest moment was making an excuse to blank Graham about his cancer concerns
So being socially awkward is dark now?
more like bad acting
Yeah I'd say the stuff with the Fourth Doctor snapping necks like he's a black ops video game style character is darker than him deciding to take the "I wouldn't kill Baby Hitler" side of the moral "Is it right to kill baby Hitler?" hypothetical.
Honestly, that entire premise is very restrictive. If you are able to get to the position to make that choice, then you are in the position to take him down a different path.
Thank you for the link to Better Help - I literally paused the video to go and sign up. While I can't really afford the weekly fee, it IS still cheaper than one-on-one therapy, and I really needed the push to get help. Thank you.
I honestly think that the Fourth had rather justifiable fears the absence of the Daleks would 1) screw up his own history and 2) leave the Timelords unchecked. Frankly, his own people could be a pack of "Rickies" when they really get rolling.
The problem with 13th and 15th moments is that unlike the rest, these are not portrayed as "dark" in the show. The show presents it as something good.
With the 15th, The Goblin king literally just goes around eating babies..So whatever.
The 13th' moment tho...Ya Chibnell dropped the ball in that case.
I think 15 was entirely justified. I mean, the goblins ate babies, and so I can give him a pass on that.
With the Doctor gunning down the general, It always seemed to me like the General was at peace and didn't really mind sacrificing one regeneration, I mean they probably didn't want to die but, at least it was the Doctor and he would have made sure it wouldn't have killed the general out right. Still a dark moment though, I felt that using Bennet as a way to test the list his ghost hologram was spouting was a darker moment, because he knew he hadn't figured it out quite yet and that he wasn't going to be able to save Bennet but let the Fisher King kill her anyway. Or indeed the speech he gave Me after Clara's death, I dunno why but I loved 12 when he was at his angriest, most enraged or really hammering a point home, essentially any time he had a monologue, I could definitely sit through a Peter Capaldi threat and applaud at the end even if it were aimed at me.
I thought of Deep Breath, and the moment you see the clockwork guy impaled on a spire, and the next shot is the doctor peering down, then looking into the camera with a chilling stare... it's never stated, but we all know what happened then...
I do recall reading somewhere on the internet, so it must be true, that Terrance Dicks said that Pertwee's Doctor shooting the Ogron was a mistake.
Well as has been commented recently "That's alright then!"
The night is darkest just before the dawn.
2:34 “a man who never would.” You keep telling yourself that Doctor. 😂
That whole church spire bit bothers me, not because it was dark, loved that.
Just, how did that goblin ship crashing down on a church spire not get noticed, especially when a clergy is on the way to the door for the baby.
Dark doctor who stories i feel is when the show is at its best. We need another era like Tom Baker's early years
The third doctor while cut out for content ID, I personally think his darkest moment is in inferno.
he refuses to take back parallel earth liz shaw and brig, he outright had the ability to save lives and yet he chose to discard them to save himself.
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I mean killing the whole dr who name and franchise would be the 15ths darkest moment 😂
12:32 and have a delicious ruby sundae 😂😂😂
it would be goodbye Ruby Tuesday
Can the 12th dr killing the general be his darkest moment considering he would know before hand that the general would regenerate if he knew he would definitely die when he shot him that would be dark.
I think it was him pushing the clockwork guy out of the airship. That look to camera after we see him impaled on a spire says a lot.
Darkest moments you're not even close just ask the Silence ❤
The fifteenth doctor went in with a bang, sang the goblin King to letting him use his gravity gloves to kill him.
I have a theory about Solomon. Remember, the Eleventh Doctor knows for certain that the person he hates the most is himself. And whose retconned face does Solomon have...?
THANK YOU, you and I agree regarding the Fifth Doctor. When I saw that scene, I was horrified. For all the Doctor knew, the Master didn't have any more regenerations left yet he just stood there while the Master appears to be burning to death. I was quite disappointed, since the Fifth Doctor is thought to be one of the gentler incarnations.
To be honest, I disagree with the choice for the Fourth Doctor. The decision to not destroy the Daleks is in fact one of his most morally correct moments, not just for that Doctor, but the character as a whole, as he realises destroying one monster would only create another, and an eye for an eye is never the way. “If I do it, wipe out a whole intelligent species, I’d become like them, I’d be no better than the Daleks.”
I’d argue his darkest moment is in Image of the Fendahl, when side-character Max is possessed by the Fendahl and begs the Doctor to give him a gun, stating that he wishes to end his life rather than suffer at the hands of the monster. The Doctor obliges.
4 : letting the Daleks live
9 : torturing a Dalek
seems a bit contradictory
What would have happened if he had done it? Not that it was mentioned, at all, but what about Susan? If the Daleks never left Scaro, where would she be? Shunted off to an alternate timeline? Wiped away by history? Or would time change around her, leaving her alone in a world where David either was never born or didn't know her?
@@ChanceChandlerZombieTARDIS They explored it in a Big Finish, basically the Time War would have started early and the Doctor would have totally lost themselves, becoming a worse version of the War Doctor.
@ChanceChandlerZombieTARDIS I would say David would have been born still because I believe the invasion only started about a year or so before the TARDIS arrived so it's a matter of where David would be without the Daleks existing to invade earth. As for what would have happened to Susan she would have still found love but not necessarily with David or maybe she would a universe without the Daleks might mean that some others might have invaded earth, perhaps the Cybermen or Zygons instead.
It is something worth pondering certainly.
As the 7th Doctor said every great decision creates ripples.
I mean that doctor was fresh off of a time war while meanwhile 4 had no idea that it would happen.@@geoffroi-le-Hook
The War Doctor’s Darkest moment: The Time War
The Fugitive Doctor’s darkest moment: telling Thirteen to get off her ship. How rude
If I was a Actor who got the chance too be the Doctor I would insist on playing him as morally ambiguous, with plenty of sarcastic and caustic one liners, no simping, crying and prancing around in nightclubs, slightly calculating, not afraid of showing the dark side and killing a enemy, I would have hints of Avon from Blakes 7 in the character and have him feared and respected by the enemies
In Journeys End, Nine promised to take Lynda (with a Y) travelling with him and that he would keep her safe as they had a clear infatuation with each other. After she is killed by the Daleks he doesn't ever give her another thought.
Also, in The Fires of Pompeii, the Doctor just coldly walking past Caecilius and his family trembling in terror and deciding to leave everyone until Donna convinces him otherwise.
I mean sure, executing Solomon was dark, but I would argue that Eleven had an even darker moment. Rory the Roman, to the Cybermen: "I have a message from the Doctor, and a question from me." Cybermen: "What is the message?" *dozens of cyberships explode outside*
Eleven straight-up massacred thousands of Cybermen as an interrogation technique.
For the two Doctors who weren't mentioned:
The Fugitive Doctor probably did some shady stuff with Division, but instinctively de-horning a Judoon was pretty messed up.
For the War Doctor, we know he didn't use the Moment, but considering using it had to be his darkest moment.
Six strangling Peri is not only disturbing, it's just a stupid and uncharacteristic choice for the character to make...alien values addled from post-regenerative trauma or not. It could've been handled differently. I think it hurt the 6th Doctors character portrayal going forward.
and it did. Why did they stay with that terrible script and the way it was acted complete with vile music was way overkill. A pity it can never be remove from history.
@@triplejazzmusicisall1883There is no "vile music".
@@DrWhoFanJ True I accept that but personally I found it boring.
The entry for the 8th doctor really shows how much this channel needs to research no tv media, like big finish, cause 8 gets really dark (in one timeline his actuons and manipulation even make 7 appealed, to be fa8r that 8 gave advanced technology to space sharks in order to wipe out everyone on earth, not even 7 would go that far).
There's his actions in architects of history, siding with the daleks in blood of the daleks, preventing the erasure of the daleks from history to save his companion, Threatening to break the laws of time and kill the monk, leaving the monk to die out of pure revenge (he deserved it), lying to his c9mpanion about the fact that her aunt actually died before she was born and the person they knew as their aunt was actually a zygon, etc.
Daleks are the worst creatures in the galaxy. They kill without any type of emotion and no remorse. Can’t imagine that letting them die as a dark moment.
I had meant to say something about the Third Doctor being left out, but reading your post I see it was done because TH-cam censored it. Also I did type the post but it was the size of a novel so I am just going to say this right here...
Thank you for showing the clips of the 14th and 15th Doctor Who. Many would complain about spoilers. I am not. Because I and 70% of all established Doctor Who Fans will NEVER get to see the 14th and 15th Doctor Who with-out paying the Extortion fees of the stupid Disney+ Pay Wall. I had hoped to save the money to get a Region Free player (These are quite legal by the way) And the BBC DVD/Blu-Ray region free disc of these Doctor Who Episodes, Except people who have done this report the Region Free DVD/Blu-Ray does not work leading me to suspect that Disney+ Complained when they learned BBC was doing this and put a stop to it. I believe if the rumors are correct, that the BBC is souring on their deal with stupid Disney+ And its possible that the deal WILL NOT BE RENEWED!
The 8th Doctor choosing to Regenerate into a warrior is very dark
Also selling out the master to the Germans isn’t dark, it’s poetic justice since the Master has done worse things and is going to be punished by the race he holds disdain for, humans
Another dark one for 11 is Colonel Runaway. Sure, it’s more funny than dark in the show, but the idea of making this dude, who actually is pretty good at his job and who might be convinced if just talked to, give an order that will forever have him branded as a coward is pretty messed up
The Goblin King deserved his fate for making us sit through that awful, awful musical number.
Damn this is my favorite doctor who youtube channel, thank you for making this channel
I would argue that 12's could have been abandoning Clara in Kill The Moon or Killing the Android in Deep Breathe (if he did) Both have much darker implications than him shooting a timelord. They're also presented as much darker in their respective episodes. I think there's arguments to be made to back all 3 as the darkest mind you but I think I'm biased because killing the timelord felt like it was written for shock value so it never actually felt that deep to me.
The Android no, though killing the general is also no. The 12th has no idea what he is doing in either instance, he may not even be sure who he is for the Android.
Abandoning Clara isn't dark, it's a big picture moment. Humans must make the decision.
My money, save regenerating into the insufferable 1st Noctor. Would be Time Heist. Not "being" the architect and causing all that happens. The fact that he likely figured out he was the architect inside a minute and didn't pull the plug, that's dark.
Thing is, the nursery that the Doctor was concerned about went up anyway when he later went back and tried to end them anyway, and a Dalek trod on the leads that could set off the bomb. HOWEVER, all of that is irrelevent because unless they destroyed the existing Daleks - and they did not - all of this could easily be rebuilt, which it was. The REAL problem was not destroying DAVROS, who spent the rest of his life - and he may not actually be dead, we're not sure - helping the Daleks grow in power.
The Master was responsible for causing much of the universe to be destroyed thanks to his messing around on Logopolis, by that point, not to mention all the other things he's done to people throughout the years. With him regenerating and having a new perfected molecular compression gun, the galaxy was even more at stake. The Doctor probably believed - correctly - that the Master somehow escaped, though not unscathed. He obviously nearly died there, as the Sixth Doctor encountered a very vindictive Master when he discovered the Rani.
Eccleston's grand performance cannot be underlined enough. I wish he'd come back for a multi-doctor episode, even though I know he has no intention to. His response to Cassandra and the first Dalek is very on point. Cassandra caused her own death because of the heat she inflicted on the station. The Dalek was one of his oldest enemies, essentially brought low by the history of violence playing out until this one Dalek was kept as a pet by a human. You couldn't really expect him NOT to appreciate the irony, especially in his state. And to be clear, *the Doctor was very definitely trying to destroy the Dalek.* He wasn't prolonging it. It's just the only method he had on hand.
I wouldn't fault Doctor Thirteen for doing what was done. By this point, it's minor in comparison to what the Master does when he's Rasputin, among other things. I mean, literally BEING the wizard hobo man from Russia and doing what he did is...yikes. It's even worse than the Cyber-Rain Cybermen. Yes, even that.
The salt is not black magic. There is no real magic in Doctor Who. Much like with the goblins and carrionites, all perceived magic is a near-inscrutible craft of science. What the Doctor invoked in Wild Blue Yonder was believe and imagination, playing mind games at the edge of reailty. That is why the Toymaker would appear. That is why Music followed.
To be fair to the 15th doctor, I don't think he intended to kill the goblin king. Maybe he just wanted to stop the ship by damaging it.
What about the 7th tricking the daleks into blowing up a sun and destroying Skaro in "Remembrance of the Daleks"?
The darkest moment is when Peter Capaldi left DW.. the show was doomed from then on.
How can you possibly say that NOT Destroying the Daleks was the fourth Doctor's darkest moment. Nothing could be further from the truth. Having watched that particular story countless times, m ost recently a couple of weeks ago, I can honestly say he wasn't moralizing about the World being a better place. He was moralizing about whether or not he had the right to commit genocide like the Daleks were guilty of several times over. He was basically saying that if he destroyed the Daleks he would basically be nobetter than they were. And that is a noble point of view when you think about it. Whether you want to think about it or not.
Also didn't he go back and destroy them in the end with him stating all it's going to do is push them back.
@@logo-gj6nq yes that's what he did. He delayed there development a bit.
@@josephcooter5763 phone I think that they're basically makes the whole point moot
Younger viewers maybe? They might change their minds they age to see this as an act of moral ambiguity where the fourth was simply trying to resolve what was ethically right. People who question actions are often the most moral of them all.
Just started rewatching the first special again notice a lady behind the doctor, Donna and her daughter that has her phone aimed in the opposite direction from where the spaceship is crossing the sky could this be a plant that will come back in the future season and explained i think it will considering who's running the show again
Am I the only one who is missing the 3rd doctors segment and instead has an in video ad for better help?
I thought I was tripping
For the most part, I agree with the Doctor's choices. The last Master in particular was just nasty business, just nothing of value there to care about. I found his evil to be deliciously fun, but he really went above and beyond, there is nothing about him that is worth saving. I felt similar towards the guy the 11th Doctor killed, just someone who would do anything for money, there was nothing good about them, nothing of value.
Ten’s top 5 are darker than any one else’s darkest
BetterHelp has a REALLY sketchy history... Such a shame to see you take a sponsorship from them :/
Exactly. The company is a scam and it should have been easy to find out if any research was done.
exactly. every TH-cam sponsorship is a scam, we all know this, but you should NOT mess with ppls mental health
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I do agree that 8 choosing to become The Warrior is fairly dark, but I’d say that him becoming Zagreus was definitely another massive contender for his darkest moment - and the entire season that follows with his exile outside the universe featured quite a few very dark choices of his. The entire Scherzo episode was very dark.
8 definitely has more than his fair share of dark moments; I love how much they really have detailed his fall from the bright happy doctor in the movie to the doctor that chose to become the warrior; he is definitely my favourite for a reason ;)
Remembering that Night of The Doctor Canonised all the stories with Charlie, C’rizz, Lucy, Tamsin, and Molly 👍
but later on didnt a dalek run over the wires destroying the daleks in incubation but the master killed the 4th doctor almost destroying the universe would you help him?
The basic flaw with Genesis of the Daleks is that the Doctor has been sent to destroy the series go-to monster to revive ratings and sell merchandise. None of us watching at the time actually fell for the idea that he'd succeed.
What makes it weirder is that we don’t see the Daleks again until season 17 (like 4 years later) so they really could have killed them then and found some way to bring them back with Destiny of the Daleks
Seriously that everyone is forgetting about the first doctor murdering by cold blood a man in the French Revolution?
What about casually being the cause of Rome burning and just watching, laughing gleefully, like don't get me wrong out of context fucking hilarious... bit almost an entire city burnt to the ground... and he laughed...
Thank you.
Tenth doctor: genocide is wrong
Thirteenth doctor: oh baby a triple
5 never went near the controls!
I still miss K-9....=))
We are in a car. That moment when a tin dog points out the most obvious solution to get into a locked building to save people.
'School Reunion'...=))@@davidchism6081
'School Reunion'@@davidchism6081
The thing I find kinda funny about Ncuti's first episode is that he was hinted to be a clean slate mentally with the whole out of order therapy thing in the specials, then he gets upset and murders 😂 must just be in the doctors blood
The Force Doctor? What weird crossover is this.
No the 13 master thing did have to do with the masters skin, that's what the perception filter was about she could have shown him to be a spy without removing the filter.
I like the idea of the list, but TBH you could do a full list each for 1 and 9-12 easily,
The issue with most of the picks, aside from having 3 irrelevant entries at the end (the 3 Noctor's can't do dark things, it would be wrong) is the circumstances, which Ellie touches on.
The 1st did much darker things, being cold/logical isn't inherantly dark. Laughing as a city burns, that's dark,
Most of the rest of the old era Doctors are hard tbf.
The 2nd, big picture, doesn't count.
3rd, doesn't count, live fire and it wasn't only himself he was protecting.
4th, big picture, doesn't count.
5th, Maybe. I'd argue though, that the Doctor fears no species as much as his own so, big picture?
6th doesn't count, he had no idea who he was or what he was doing. And he stopped.
7th, big picture, doesn't count.
8th, We didn't see enough tbh. That being said, there's some darker bits in big finish stuff.
9th, Dalek was bad, but he had an understandable motive. I'd argue his treatment of Adam, or Mickey is worse.
10th, He almost wasn't himself, he assumed he could deal with any consequence. Arrogant, sure, dark no. The family of Blood, peak dark, peak Doctor, Cruelty for cruelties sake/vengeance for John Smith.
11th, nah, mercenary sure, but dark? Starship UK, he gave into his dark side when he decided to lobotomise the beast. He had to be reminded there is always a better way.
12th, aside from allegedly regenerating into the 1st Noctor (We are sure that wasn't Missy/The Rani/Jenny/Clara in a pocket dimension?). Time Heist. Not "being" the architect and causing all that happens. The fact that he likely figured out he was the architect inside a minute and didn't pull the plug, that's dark.
There are no "Noctors".
@@DrWhoFanJ Really, what's your reasoning? Better yet, what's your objection?
The term or the inference?
Whether you like the noctor's/new shows isn't the question. If so, have fun.
If you dislike the term, pick another.
If the inference......
You see no difference?
You see no divide?
Leave quality and even opinion aside.
The character, across 13(15) incarnations had certain traits and beliefs that are gone now.
Now does things or accepts things they never would before.
Coin another term, prove there is no difference or leave me my shortcut to highlight that difference.
I feel like 15th darkest so far was when he was dragging sutekh around in his tardis killing him in the most brutal way possible, imagine the pain sutekh felt
Very good!
The Doctor has always been a "Lonely God".
Hubris, and he learned in Waters of Mars, or should have...
Were is 'Cornell runway'?
Thirteen also genocided the cybermen, daleks and most of the sontarans to the flux, along with killing the spiders in the slowest most painful way possible. All with a righteous smile. I swear, Jodie’s series may have been the worst by far in terms of writing (some of the supposedly “dark” stuff is downright evil and the attempt at justification makes her look so dumb) but on the whole they added a lot to the doctor’s moral ambiguity and detachment from human ideals. They are an unbelievably powerful alien and we need to be frequently reminded of that or we get too complacent. It is in fact one of the main reasons I love the character so much! So much darkness, yet so complex, nuanced, redeemable and easy to root for. Over the course of the entire show, all told, SUCH a well written character.
Also I prefer to give 15 yhe benefit of the doubt and say he may not have intended for the spire to impale the ship literally exactly where the king was sitting, since that would be hard to control and he can’t see inside the ship. Though I’m sure we’ll get a moment or two in the upcoming seasons that showcase his darker side - which I hope still remains in some form - which surpasses that.
Most, if not all of the Doctors have done the exact same thing to the Daleks, Cybermen and Sontarans. And even then what you claim is not true, the Sontarans destroyed the Daleks and Cybermen and the Doctor used what the Sontarans did against them so she was actually justified in doing that, she even warned them previously to not return.
I've noticed people criticizing 13 for things her male predecessors did but were never criticised for, hmmm.
@@friendlyotaku9525 Aight I stand corrected, fair enough. But my general stance on the quality of the character as a whole stands
you obviously haven't listened to/read the 8th doctor adventures! I've only listened to scherzo and zagreus and those two are already darker than the night of the doctor
8 gets way darker.
Okay, just going off of thr thumbnail: every doctor from the War Doctor onward is a mass murderer😂 War-14 killed all of the Time Lords and most of the Daleks. Yes ik they fixed it later, but it still happened at one point. The memories are still there, right? Or are the memories gone too since 10 and 11 stopped the War Doctor from destroying the Time Lords? I'm getting confused with Timey Wimey stuff
i mean. luring an entire fleet of martian ice warriors to fly into the sun was pretty dark for the 2nd doctor. with the ice lord even pointing it out to them.
Thjere was an animated Doctor Who series or film??🙂😲:-OPoor Noble.And Doctor Who.Why the Heck??😞Why would the Goblin King eat a baby??Ruby was not a plant.
is doctor a good man? yes! is he a monster? no one told that he is not
i clean for a guy that is a therapist on better help, BE NICE.
Why the 3rd doctor dosnt have a spot ? His run dosnt have any dark moment ?
Where’s the third doctor?
For the second I dont know how about flying the ice warriors entire fleet into the sun or blowing up the dominators in their ship
Those are pretty bad, but betraying one of your very best friends to an empire of genocidal pepper pots is proper evil. It's a trait you don't see to often in Doctor Who. I only remember 2, 7 and 11 as being that manipulative to their friends.
he didint have a chose about that he chose to kill the ice warriors and dominators
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Really? _Not_ destroying the Daleks was Four's darkest moment?
How about gassing Mehendri Solon with cyanide in Karn, in a desperate attempt to kill Morbius? Which btw was only necessary because of his amazing stupidity to leave Solon alone with his monster, when he was perfectly capable of dismantling Morbius' body himself.
The universe _might_ be better off without the Daleks, but we all know the Whoniverse wouldn't.
With the Goblin King thing I think there was nothing else to be done, baby Ruby on a conveyor belt that the Doctor wasn't going to be able to stop in time.
Brother: He never raised his voice. That was the worst thing. The fury of the Time Lord. And then we discovered why. Why this Doctor who had fought with gods and demons, why he’d run away from us and hidden. He was being kind...
We wanted to live forever, so the Doctor made sure that we did. 😱
5:29 why you gotta go giving Hollywood ideas for their gritty remake?