The 7mm PRC is overrated!
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- In this video I talk all about the good, bad and ugly of the 7mm PRC. It's actually a pretty darn good cartridge. But since it has the Hornady hype machine to it. Fans of the cartridge have said some pretty wild stuff. Let's look at what they have said!
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Enjoyed the video! Very fair and well said. Love the comments being added to the video
Thanks for watching!
My man! Mr. Coffee and Cartridges himself!
@@ReloadingWeatherbygreat video
You sold me, a 7PRC looks better than the 7RM. Near equal performance with a modern efficient case design and proper twist rate. If I were to want a 7mm Magnum it would be the PRC. With a well thought out design that shoots heavy for caliber bullets with high BC/SD's at around 3000fps, man that is the sweet spot. No old belted mags for this old hunter and going way over bore on the bigger magnums just feels foolish. PS not a "fan boy" just can appreciate a well thought out design.
Bingo
How about the ol 7mm Weatherby?
@@gilbertgurule5395 Big overbore belted magnums have no appeal to me. A modern case design that pushes a high sectional density for caliber bullet at around 3000fps is in my view IDEAL. Extra boom, extra brass and requirement fr extra barrel length to get proper performance just holds no interest for me.
@@couespursuit7350 I hear ya, I'm am guilty of all those things, I stuff my 7mm RM with 69gr of powder to push a 160gr Nosler Partition at 3150 fps, and have another shooter 7mm RM I topped off with 180 gr Berger VLD, for long plinking, I get exactly what you mean, I'm just in love with the oldies, belted mags especially, lmk if you pick up a 7 PRC and how you like it
This is me to a T. I don't think I've even seen (or at least gave any attention to) the hype surrounding new cartridges outside of being brought to my attention. I love super efficient cartridges and was thinking of a .300 win Mag when I heard of 7RM, and, right about that time, 7PRC comes along which is essentially a non-magnum, more efficient 7mm Rem Mag. Perfection for what I'm looking for, personally.
Planning on getting a Bergara HMR in .300 Win Mag, then rebarreling it to 7PRC after giving the .300 a go
My understanding of the PRC cartridges, was to have a rifle that gives you extremely close to it it’s parent cartridge at 1000 yards and under. The difference comes in after you go past 1000 yards. This is were the high BC bullets come in. I have a 7mm rem mag and I will always have it. Even if I purchase a 7mm PRC, it will not replace my 7mm rem mag. In my option, Harnady designed these rounds to fit a area of where you can have a hunting rifle and a long range target rifle in one cartridge/platform. They were not designed to replace anything. Even Hornady has gone on the record saying, if you already have a 6.5 cm, a 7mm rem mag or a 300 mag, don’t sell or replace them. ( in a hunting situation ) if you don’t have any of these, they recommend one of the PRC’s for the all around abilities of them. Hunting ( 500 yards, maybe 600 ) and a long range target rifle.
It was primarily designed for precision long range shooting competition. It only stands to reason an accurate rifle is good to hunt with also. That is really the afterthought. But I like it and I only bought a rifle in that cartridge to hunt with. I am ending up reloading my own. Factory rounds shot OK but not that great out of my rifle just like Reloading Weatherby's did.
Good points! It's a lot of marketing hype. If you already have a 7mm rifle in any of the calibers you have mentioned, your better off keeping it. Especially if you can get ammo for it.
It’s not hype…. It’s a more shootable 28 Nosler bud. It’s a solid cartridge.
Please sir, don't call me bud. It's too much like Bud Light! Piss ! Yes it's a good cartridge if you can get any. If you have any of that ammo, how much did it cost?
I have no problem getting it out here in Montana already stocked up in 15 boxes
How much does it cost? 7prc ammo that is.
@@michaellane4003 about $55 a box
Great video,Austin. Don’t change the format. I think the fan club stuff didn’t become so public until the 6.5 CM came out which was about the time social media like you tube and other platforms came out for people to widely give their opinion. A lot of chamberings have their condescending and annoying fan club. Hornady has upended the rifle cartridge world like glock did for pistols and iPhones did for the cell phone industry. They’ve stirred the pot and now others have to update their twist rates which is a healthy thing.
Great content!! You mentioned an important concept: modernizing rifle twist rates to shoot heavier bullets. Put a 1 in 8 twist in a 7Wby Mag and see what happens.
Funny thing about the comments highlighted: they're strictly going off of data released by the company making the cartridge. You can tell by the structure of their comments. There is no way all these folks have real-word experience with 7mmPRC.
Thanks for watching!
So buy a 7wby mag and also a barrel when I can just go out when I can just go out and purchase a 7mm PRC off the shelf? lol
I favor modern cartridge designs. Nothing really wrong with the old guard other than the belted cases and freebore being short and taking up case capacity and improper twist rates. As you pointed out, one can rebarrel or have the throat punched out further.
The reloading books are very conservative and I'm sure the 7mm PRC can pump out the heavy bullets better than what's advertised.
I have a 6.5 PRC necked up to 7mm for flcass competition and am getting 2950 fps with a 180 grain bullet out of a smaller case with less capacity.
These discussions are no more than what's better, ford, Chevy, or Dodge.
Long and short of it is if you have a 7 RM, 7 RUM, 28 Nosler, whatever, the switch most likely isn't worth it.
If you are in the market for a new 7mm in a magnum, this cartridge is worth considering.
You make some great videos, keep up the good work!
Thanks for watching and commenting! Yes these discussions can be stupid and petty. But that doesn't mean it isn't fun.
OMG OMG MUH BELTS ARE BAD UMKAYYY!!!! T-THEY JUST ARE UMKAYY!!!! HORNADYS MARKETING TEAM SED SO OKKKKK!!!
THEY CAN POTENTIALLY CHANGE YOUR GROUPS A WHOPPING 0.000000001 OF AN INCH AT 10 THOUSAND YARDS!!! GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT IT DOES WHEN I SHOOT A DURR ONCE A YEAR AT 100 YARDS AFTER I WADDLE TO MY DOUBLE BULL TREE STAND DRURY SPECIAL!!! JUST THINK OF IT, JUST THINK OF THE BELTS!!!
Do you even hear yourself??
You couldn’t of said it better
I can't wait for this video. I will still be keeping my 7mm Rem mag it does everything I need it to do. I just don't think there's enough case capacity in the 7mm PRC. looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts
This video will be different. I'm mostly addressing stupid things fanboys have said about the 7mm PRC.
Why get rid of any gun you like? You can always just get another. It's always good to have a backup anyway. Case capacity on a 7mm PRC compared to a 7mm Rem Mag is deceiving. If you take one a heavier bullet on the high side and put it in the case it has to take capacity away from the 7mm Rem Mag where in the 7 mm PRC more of the bullet will be out of the case. having said that if you use a lighter bullet that seats further out of the case it's a different story. The 7mm PRC was made to shoot the longer larger than caliber bullets and it does it well. I was also designed to shoot them somewhere around 3,000fps. Often times people expect the bullet was designed for more than it was. I have 7mm rifles from 7mm-08 through 7mm STW. All I can say is 7mm is a great bullet. I like all the rifles I have. You never have too many rifles until you think you have. Then most likely you will buy another one anyway if you really like to shoot or reload or both like me. Enjoy what you have research your future purchases well before buying. I researched the 7mm PRC and the 6.5mm PRC very well before purchasing either. And yes, I would do it all over again they are both great cartridges for target and hunting.
Good stuff. Was considering a 7PRC but just love my 7Mag to much. I am also considering extending the jump in my 1:8 twist 7mm barrel blank a bit for the longer bullets for some fun. Cheers.
Thanks for watching!
I have a 7 mm Remington magnum that I love however I'm gonna have to say that the hype as well worth it it is a lot of new things at a 7 mm cartridge needed
What exactly are you smoking?
Compare Berger 180gr Rem Mag to Hornady 180gr 7 PRC, apples to apples, 500yrds 6.19" (There's your 6"), 1000yrds, 43.44", 1800yrds with the Rem Mag being subsonic at 1700, its over 25 feet.
162gr Rem Mag to the 180gr 7 PRC, at 500yrds 3.48" 1000yrds, 32.51", 1800yrds with the Rem Mag being subsonic its over 24 feet with the PRC not going subsonic till 2200yrds. The point of the PRC's is to be able to shoot long range with off the shelf ammo, to not HAVE to reload. You're absolutely right, people like skewing the numbers.
Why wouldn't I use the same bullet as the 7 PRC? You want me to use a much lower b.c. Berger bullet for the Rem mag so that the PRC has a bigger advantage with the ELD-M. I've gotten 2940 FPS with the 180 gr ELD-M in a 7mm Rem mag. Let's use those numbers vs the 7mm PRC. Now it's a 1 inch difference at 500 yards and 7 inch difference at 1000 yards.
Any serious long range shooter is going to reload his/her own ammo. Comical to use factory ammo. Especially with the extreme inconsistencies with Hornady ammo.
While that's fair, you're missing the entire point. Off the shelf ammo with match grade chambers. No reloading, no custom rifles needed.
With the PRC, you can grab a rifle off the rack, a box of ammo off the shelf, and ring steel at a mile. That's the point.
Being that's the point, you compare off the shelf options.
If you don't like the Bergers, pick another off the shelf option to compare. 162s are a very bad option to use. There's a reason you stopped the comparison at 500yrds.
The PRC's aren't the end all be all. They are application specific. The Rem Mag isn't even for the same application so it isn't even a fair comparison to begin with.
If I had a Rem Mag and was taking game at 500 and in, I wouldn't replace it with a PRC, you're not gaining anything. But if I was buying a new rifle to ring steel past 500 and these were the two options, I would be a fool to pick the Rem Mag, the PRC is clearly the better option.
Now you throw reloading into it and it's not even a question being that off the shelf ammo availability isn't even a consideration.
@dankcincy I wasn't avoiding the drop at 1000 yards for the 162 gr. There is a 24 inch difference or in other words... you dial 2 more MOA in elevation. Hardly the huge advantage you think it is.
I guess you don't realize how many people use the 7mm Rem mag for long distance hunting. Hornady is really good at one thing... it isn't at making good factory ammo. It's marketing. Sure Hornady ammo can be very accurate, but have you ever tested the velocity on their ammo? It's not good... for one it's usually 100 FPS slower if not more... and the SD is usually terrible. You will not hit targets consistently at long distance with bad SD numbers. And that is the number 1 reason legit target shooters reload.
You're really going to need to pick a lane here if we are to have an honest discussion on the subject.
Are we talking about factory ammo or reloading, long range hunting or ringing steel, selecting a new rifle from the available options or deciding on replacing an existing rifle?
If you're already tooled up and invested in the Rem Mag, rifle is dialed in, loads are dialed in, it's working for you for your application, then it doesn't make much sense to start all over again with another cartridge. That doesn't mean that your existing setup is better than a new setup, simply that it doesn't make sense to switch over. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
But if you're looking to buy/build a new rifle for the purpose of ringing steel at long range, why would you select 60yro technology that was never meant for that application over modern technology that was developed for that exact application?
You keep going back to Hornady ammo being inconsistent and comparing it to reloading. Nobody is saying that their factory ammo is better than custom reloads. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
The point I'm making is that off the shelf ammo and rifles exist. I just checked the stock at my local Vance Outdoors, you can check for yourself.
I have 4 different ammo options available, in stock, on the shelves, 1 from Federal, 3 from Hornady, and 8 different-ish rifle options. 2 Mossbergs, a Ruger, 3 Savages, a Rem 700, and a Browning. Two of the Savages even have Vortex scopes on them. All of these rifles, even the Mossberg at $469.99 (if to spec) have match grade chambers. I could quite literally go to the store, pick up one of the Savages with the Vortex on it, a few boxes of ammo, go up to Thunder Valley, break it in, zero it out, and then ring steel at a mile.
That's the entire point of the cartridge. Accessibility to the long range game for the average person that doesn't have the time, money and/or desire to go down the rabbit hole, they just want to go shoot. The PRCs allow that.
You make some good comparisons and I appreciate how you organize the information. I think the main advantages of the PRC cartridges will be for people who don't reload, and don't pay attention to twist rates or don't want to look around for a factory rifle with a fast twist barrel. They can buy a common SAAMI spec rifle and off the shelf ammo and get good performance. I'm not saying it's the fastest, or "best" performance, but it seems like it will be a good factory cartridge allowing for the use of the modern 7mm bullets at decent velocities.
To attack the 7 PRC is to attack me personally. My self-worth is based on the marketing hype I buy into. The 7 PRC is the bestest most cartridgeish cartridge ever and if you disagree with me, then your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberry’s. Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.
Lol
Well you know what's worse than a 7mm PRC fanboy.... A Utah Ute fan
@@ReloadingWeatherby whow, hey now, that’s 2 personal attacks in 1 video. 🤣🤣 so what if we lose all the big games? As long as we beat Oregon and BYU…
@Dutch Hmm... been 4 years since Utah has beat BYU
My factory browning 7mm rem Mag came with a 1-8 twist. Since I’m in Ca I have to use copper bullets. Well Badlands Bulldozer has 7mm 150gr with a BC of .605 and I’m getting 3200fps, more if I want to but I don’t need it. If you don’t reload and you don’t have a 7mm get a PRC but if you do a rem mag will do equally as well.
A fast twist 7 Rem mag makes a lot of sense. You can reload using the same bullets as the PRC, but you can also shoot factory ammo, which is also much more commonly available and with good game bullets.
@@CM-nq3so that and idk anyone in California who would buy a 7mm PRC without hand loading since I haven’t seen any factory OTC lead free options. As for 7mm rem Mag owners, the factory ammo selection kills the PRC right now.
Not a viable hunting option in my opinion if it does not have a quality bullet, if they don’t slap a GMX/CX or even a Interbond on then I’m gonna act like it doesn’t even exist lol. Yeah that takes away the whole purpose of shooting high ballistic coefficient projectiles but come on. Someone’s gonna take it hunting one way or another using a ELD-X and that’s a bullet I wouldn’t really consider using. But then again, high BC hardly plays a role when hunting and it’s usually how well a bullet is constructed for that application. Just my thoughts…
I have to agree. Not a fan of the ELD-X
The eldx is a glorified vmax
@@AlaskanBallistics although I personally dont like the ELD-X either, I will admit I've had seriously good luck with the 168gr ELD-M at 2750fps in my .308 for Gemsbok and Warthogs. Ive taken 2 Gemsbok within 120m on lung/heart shots that ran less than 30m, bullet stopping under the hide or in the ribcage. Cant speak for 200m-350m yet on Gemsbok, but on a warthog at 300m I've had a clean pass through and even though the shot was a bit too far back (still lungs, but not heart) it ran less than 80m.
Also, to correct you, the ELD-X is basically a long range SST and the ELD-M is essentially an even loger range ELD-X... the V-Max is much more fragile than even the ELD-M.
When I go after Eland soon, Ive thought of using the ELD-M, but I will most likely use Sako 180gr Super Hammerhead factory ammo, which is a bonded bullet that looks like the partition and accubond had a baby lol.
@@marcmoore4115 Never seen those Sako bullets before until you mentioned it. Should look into the Swift lineup. Those hammerheads are comparable to the Scirocco II
@@Hummingbyrd99 yeah, I like the Scirocco 2 and AccuBond. Swift makes the heaviest bonded hunting bullet for .224 (75gr Scirocco 2) which is pretty cool. For a fast twist .22-250AI or a .22 Creed it would make a super effective Warthog round with "laser like ballistics". Only reason I'm not using either of the 2 now is that I can't find them! I've tried AccuBond, would love to try Swift. They have a great rep.
The Sako SHH is a lead tip and the tip is flat, so it's not the highest BC - it's a bullet designed for European hunting, primarily for Red Deer within ~250yds. The factory load is a little anemic pushing 180gr at ~2500fps. In comparison I had Hornady Custom International with 180gr InterLock going ~2600, but those didn't shoot particularly well in my .308 and the bullet isn't as tough. That Sako ammo is pretty much designed for what I'll be doing haha.
Thanks for the video a lot of ppl don't understand barrel twist rate. I'm a big fan of 7REM👍👍
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Increasing the pressure and adding more twist, would be easy to do with the regular old 7mag. Loaded to the same pressure, the 7mm mag will beat a prc, because of more case capacity, as far as I know.
And as you say manufacturers are starting to use 1:8 twist in their 7rem rifles.
I see the many if not all the new remington rifles have 1:8 now also.
These people remind me of the 300wsm hype when it came out. Whoops, I guess we eventually found out the 300win has more power, and a lite compact rifle kicks like a mule.
Good video.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Yes. But you have to build it and load for it.
I have two 7 rem mags a sako and a ruger. Always been one of my favorite calibers.
What I like is the 1:8” twist of the prc. Feel like if (all things equal) I have a better potential for tight groups with 175gr projectiles and above. So though I like progression of technology the real but negligible difference for me is……13gr increase in bullet weight and virtually no appreciable difference in trajectory until 600yds. My longest shot on a deer is 325yds.
Well, now you can get a 7RM in 1-8 twist factory rifle, Rem. Browning and a few others. But for hunting the std. 9 twist ok up to 180 Grns. I don't think I would use anything heavier. Maybe a 190 Accubond
For years I've been wanting a 7mm beltless cartridge with more beans than my 7x57. The 280 isn't bad, but not easy to find. I see the 7mm PRC as equal to the 7mm Rem Mag but with a case that doesn't have a belt and I can seat the bullets out long enough to not worry about donuts in the neck. I am hoping to see more 7mm PRC offerings in the next year or two.
Rather have the 27 nosler
@@jebjr100if you’re good with higher recoil and burning through barrels twice as fast, I’d absolutely go with a 27 Nosler. It’s an incredible cartridge, but it does chew barrels like no other. This video doesn’t do the greatest job breaking down why the 7 PRC was created. All things considered the design and why, is what makes the differences between the rem mag and PRC so different. Inside 500, there isn’t much difference. But what was left out is that you cannot load the PRC projectile into the rem mag because it won’t fit. The purpose of shortening the case and shoulder was to add longer heavier and higher BC bullets without changing the action length. Getting .7 or higher BCs translates not at the muzzle as we all know, but the speed/wind drift/ and energy maintained down range. The tighter sammi specs and tolerances, with longer more aerodynamic/BC bullets, with faster twist rates to stabilize heavier bullets is why the PRC shines. The rem mag is one of my all time favorite rounds and is more than enough rifle for the majority of shooters/hunters, but the PRC was designed as an improved “long range” cartridge and it absolutely is. Us western hunters who are shooting big game (elk/bear) at often 300-700 yards with lots of wind absolutely want the highest energy possible with the least amount of wind drift possible. Most eastern hunters are not hunting how we hunt in the west therefore the prc stops making sense fast.
@@brandonwoloschek4917
One reason that I sold my 7mm stw.
@@brandonwoloschek4917great comment! I’m in the mountains of Texas (yes we have mountains lol) and it’s nothing to take a 500-800 yard shot on a huge muley or elk. This is exactly why I bought the 7prc
I'd be interested in what grain bullets were used in your recoil comparisons. Thank you, good video!
175 gr for the 7mm cartridges and a 180 gr in the 300 Win mag
I’ve got a pre 64 with a 28” Lilja barrel 1 in 8” twist 7mm Remington Magnum. With the longer barrel, longer throat I can get the Remington Magnum fairly easily up to 3000fps with the 190 grain VLD bullets.
The thing about the PRC is that you can go out and buy a $500 rifle and get nearly the same performance. You don’t have to get a custom barrel and build up custom reloads. That’s something that’s pretty dang impressive. Sure, the ultra magnum is going to be faster, but the PRC is all about balance. In my humble opinion, this cartridge will be king in 10 years. Remember, the biggest advantage of the PRC and Creedmoor designs are the chamber and twist specs, not the inherent velocity. The reality is that your basic off the shelf rifle is going to be more accurate with this Hornady family of cartridges because they are designed with tighter tolerances.
Marketing hype by Hornady, say it ain’t so! I have several 7MM rifles. I inherited a 7MM Rem Mag. Owned a 7mm Weatherby Mag and a 280 AI.
Les Bowman did a fantastic job designing the 7mm Rem Mag. That is why it is still one of Remington’s most popular cartridges. PO Ackley’s accomplishments, especially in pushing existing cartridges to their potential is legendary. 243AI, .25-06AI and 280AI live on to prove it. Roy Weatherby arguably is the main reason why high velocity rifles came to be. Releasing the 7mm Weatherby Mag in the 40’s, his cartridge remained top of the heap for velocity until the RUM came out.
Case capacity is the gold standard. The case capacity of the much touted 7MM PRC is lower than both Les Bowman’s and Roy Weatherby’s creations. If everything else is equal, barrel length, type of powder, primer the 7mm PRC loses.
Now with that said, neck the .300 PRC down to 7MM. Change the shoulder angle to 40 degrees and then you might have a contender, especially with the heavy for caliber projectiles.
I think the PRC cartridge cases will be the case of choice for wildcat cartridges for years to come. Look at the PRC Primal line of cases as an example.
If bullet speed were the only criteria of a bullet. There is a thing called accuracy as well as efficiency that seems to be missing in all that you said. The 220 Swift is a good example of why velocity isn't the only thing to look at. The 220 Swift is still a hot cartridge speed wise. The 22-250 though is more popular and with good reason. You need to reduce the speed of the 220 Swift to that of the 22-250 to get it to shoot groups as good as the 22-250. And because of the barrel life shooting the 220 Swift had much to do with its decline. BTW I do have both of these calibers in my gun collection. Faster isn't always better. It can be the difference of a bullet expanding too fast or blowing your game to bits. Faster and flatter has a place as well as less wind drift but not most of the time unless long range precision shooting.
If you don’t like hornady that’s one thing but please don’t bash something that is designed to improve our shooting capabilities! I personally love it!
I didn't bash the cartridge... I was making fun of the fanboys
🤷♂️ But, presenting the FACTS isn't "bashing anyone" Mr. Falls! FACTS, NOT FEELINGS! 😜
It is shame that 7mm RUM and 7mm SRUM (or even 7mm WSM) have not gained popularity. I think this cardrige just come to early. .270 WSM has some popularity but 6.8 Wester is IMHO flop. - I mean it is imho very goo cardrige but we dont need another new caardrige, new rifle itp itp. We just need .270 WSM with a litle havier bullet and factory faster twist. 6.8 Wester is to close .270 wsm to be a new cardrige imho.
Unless you shoot past 350 yards, the 7-08 will be perfectly adequate. No need for a more expensive magnum with greater recoil, muzzle blast, and harder to find ammo.
7mm-08 is a great little cartridge
Truth
Why is everyone stuck on how fast a bullet can be shot? Accuracy trumps speed.
The speed is literally what differentiates a cartridge from another. You can get any rifle/cartridge to shoot well.
Speed literally aids accuracy. The faster a bullet moves, the less it’s impacted by wind/gravity. There are other factors, but the less time wind/gravity have to effect the bullet, the more accurate that bullet can be in a variety of factors and environments.
If I ever get rid of my 7mm STW, it will be for the 7mm Rem Mag.
I don't know why. You are better just keeping the 7mm STW. I have had 7mm STW, 7mm Rem Mag and the 7mm PRC, even a 7mm-08 Rem. They are all great cartridges, but I am not fond of belted cases. The 7mm-08 is a great hunting round if using 140 grain bullets at not-so-great distances. I have gone to using the 7mm PRC its design is better than the 7mm Rem Mag. Even though people try to say case capacity is more in a 7mm Rem Mag it is not when shooting heavy bullets. The bullet takes up case capacity where the 7mm PRC more of the bullet is out of the case. Also, I do believe that the cartridge can take higher chamber pressures. There is a reason that long range precision shooters shoot this cartridge. Sure, the 7mm Rem Mag is a great hunting cartridge but it certainly is not better than what you have in a 7mm STW. The big plus I must admit is availability of factory loads if you purchase your hunting ammunition. Then it wins hands down no argument there. I guess that is the only reason to say why a 7mm Rem Mag.
Love your channel
I find "with out naming names"their's a lot of guys with channels that that do have lots of subscribers,and some of them are being paid to promote their products.this is one small problem with some of the info getting out there.
Thanks for watching!
Its ok, we know youre talking about Backfire and Bullet4Bucks
The problem is that Hornaday shortend the case frome the 300 prc. I have built a 7-300 prc and I believe that that is what thay should have done. My accuracy load is 180 gr at 3300 velocity.
Wow, you've got a rocket!
@Reloading Weatherby yes but more importantly is that it's very accurate it also is doing it with H1000 so it's very stable. It is a max load.
Nice
Remember 20 years ago when all the super short magnum cartridges were going to wipe all the standard cartridges off the face of the planet? PRC is the exact same premise. Yes, they are good if you are an ammo consumer, who lacks the skills to reload, it is probably your only option, to take what you are given.. But if you are a hand-loader none of those smaller efficient cases can win against larger case capacity. I remember friends that fell victim to the super short magnum craze only to discover when they attempted to hand-load that the cartridges were essentially topped out. Now with all the twist rate updates coming across the board what was once old is now new again. If you consume ammo and cannot bring yourself to reload, then whatever the factory feeds you is what you get. However, if you hand-load you have a world of options. If I wanted a particular brand of rifle, like a Weatherby High Country and the only 7mm option was PRC, then I'd probably do that but fortunately that rifle comes in two other 7mm options, both that I can maximize and not be stuck with factory loads.
That is not true at all. It is a myth to think any new cartridge was designed to take over another. The thought and concept of those cartridges were good. They were designed for people that like short action rifles and their benefits. The other cartridges like the PRC's are more efficient in design and eliminate a belt that was never necessary on cartridges that have a good shoulder. I have many rifles newer designs and older designs. The good ones will always be here new or old. Some will fall on the wayside. Why anyone believes a cartridge was designed to replace anything is ridiculous.
I was thinking... How does cartridge
A) ~76gr capacity shoot heavy for caliber bullets faster than Cartridge B) ~ 108gr capacity.
Argue efficiently design all you want, but 30+gr of capacity is an enormous difference. That's about the difference between 30-06 & 300 Weatherby. More powder equals more velocity when loaded to full potential
With a proper seated bullet, I haven't seen any more than 4 or 5 grain differences between a 7 rem Meg and A 7PRC. How did you come up with that?
Well the 7 mm Rum, 28 Nosler, 7mm Weatherby Mag, 7mm STW, 7-300 Win Mag, 7 MM Norma mag, 7 mm Raptor, 7 mm SAUM, 7 mm WSM, 7 mm Dakota, 7 MM Firebird and Warbird by Lazzeroni are a few 7 MM Cartridges that will outperform the 7 MM PRC.
😁 Yes, some of the Reloading Data is "Questionable" at best! For example, WHY can the 7mm Mag get 3,250 ft/s with a 150 grain bullet and the 7mm prc only get a velocity of 3,150 ft/s? Even the short action 270 WSM, with a higher B.C. 150 grain bullet (Nosler ABLR) and less grains of powder (68 grains of Magpro for the 270 wsm vs. 69.2 grains of Reloader 26 for the 7mm prc), shoots flatter than either the 7mm prc or 7mm Remington Magnum (and gets a faster velocity than the 7mm prc - of almost 3,200 ft/s)? Sorry, not but I'm "Not Impressed"! 😜
What's your thoughts on the 27 nosler?
🤔 I have owned multiple "Big Magnums", including several that had a "Barrel Life" of between 300 to 600 Rounds! 😱 The 28 Nosler reportedly has a "Barrel Life" of 800 rounds, so the 27 Nosler would have less than that (somewhere between 600 and 800 rounds)! 😬 Simply put - "No Thanks, I'll pass, as I have learned my lesson!" 🤷♂️
I think Hornady ballistic claims are incorrect. I've crono'd their factory ammo and have never been able to reach claimed performance out of my A Bolt 26" barrel.
I agree
7prc is amazing I shoot long distance 3 times a week.if u want speed get 28.nosler..if u want accuracy 7prc..I love it low recoil.shoots 4 in one hole ..lots of ammo in.texas
Glad it's been good for you!
Only advantage 7mm prc over 7 mm rem mag is faster twist rate. In other things 7 mm prc is a weker round. Manufacters should make faster twist barells in 7 mm rem and that is it.
PRC has a few other advantages over the 7mag. But if you love 7mag and reload, stick with the 7mag.
If you really want to have some fun and an experience you'll never forget, go out and shoot some guns and ammo that are twice to three times as old as you are. There is a reason so many of them are still with us after 100 years.
I do on a weekly basis. (30-06, 270 & 300 WBY)
@@ReloadingWeatherby Sorry, I'm a little partial to the old stuff if you haven't noticed. I do apologize for my comments. Thanks, Thomas, Mississippi!!
@Thomas Haley Haha you didn't offend me. Just telling you I like the old cartridges too
I like 'em all. Wish we could talk in private. That would be up to you. I'll look you up when I get off work tonight and subscribe. Thanks again.
I shoot a 195 Berger In 7 rem mag currently at 2910 but now that I have n570 that speed is going up. But let’s just use 2910, 500 yards energy is 2432lbs and drop is 40.2”, 1000 yards energy is 1551lbs and 235.95” of drop.
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*Interesting fact about 7PRC "heavy for caliber bullets." The Hornady ELX load in 7mm rem mag is
162gr. The 7mm PRC elx is 175gr. Only a 8% increase.
Compared to 270 WSM typically loaded with ~ 145 gr replaced by the new 6.8 western using heavy for caliber bullets at 165gr. Featuring a 14% increase in bullet weight. Point being 6.8 western was released with more bullet manufactures making custom long, heavy bullets. Currently the justification from moving to 7PRC to 7RemMeg for only a 8% heavier bullet isn't worth it.
6.8 Western is dead though... 7mm PRC will be very popular.
Heavy for caliber in 7mm is 185-195gr*. Berger makes a 195gr EOL Elite Hunter. The 7 PRC's 1:8 twist rate will handle 195s easily and still have good velocity.
I guess we'll see if it gets loaded in Factory Ammo, but I'm sure it'll be a popular bullet for many of the 'Long Range' hunters.
Handloaders are loading 175gr bullets 3150fps and 180gr 3100fps! Not much difference but at distance it sure is! It's very popular because you can buy any over the counter gun manufacturer in 7mmprc and factory ammo and shoot long distance incredibly well! Not that the other calibers you stated can't. They are not as flat shooting and if they are it comes with more recoil and burning up barrels! So it's understandable why it's so popular good day!
With 24 inch barrels? Where are you seeing that? I can see that with a 26 inch barrel. Also if handloaders are getting 3150 FPS with a 7mm PRC... that is going to come with a bit more recoil and shorter barrel life. 28 Nosler gets 3200 FPS with a 175 gr. Let's not pretend that the 7mm PRC has excellent barrel life. It's average for a magnum. You're not going to get 3000 rounds with a 7mm PRC.
@Reloading Weatherby yes 24inch barrels! I agree on barrel life but longer life than the 28nosler! So you think it's overrated that's fine that's your opinion!
I bought one because it's nifty. I like nifty. I did not have any 7mms in the stable, so why not? I took an amazing 7x7 bull elk a couple of weeks ago at 730 yards with it - DRT. That range is the effective 2000fps minimum limit for proper bullet performance. It's not about a few fps either way - it's about the rifle, the cartridge's ballistic limitations, and the practice to get the most out of both.
Nice! Congrats on the elk
If I were going to shoot something in 7mm it would be the 7mm Remington Mag, period
Me too.. fud cartridges rule!
I would have to say I’m not sold on it , I bought one in a beggara platform , I had to send it back doesn’t shoot sub moa , and had other problems feel kinda let down . I like my 6.5 300 weatherby better .
I found my ammo at walmart, cabelas, scheels, various gun stores, grandmas house, and a few in the woods.
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The PRC cartridges were made for the 98 percent of shooters who DONT handload. It makes perfect sense. Nobody is buying Weatherby calibers anymore. Plus their ammo is expensive as hell. You take a factory 7mm RM and 7mm PRC and shoot out to distance, the PRC wins everytime. If you were going to buy a new rifle, you would be a fool to buy a 7mm RM. Same goes with the 300 WM. You would buy the 300 PRC because it can do more and who wants the damn belted cartridges nowadays, except for weird Weatherby people. Thats why no rifle companies but Weatherby will use their old outdated cartridges.
Is that why the number one selling 30 caliber magnum is the 300 Win mag? Because everyone is a fool? Or is it that the vast majority of rile owners don't reload and so the belt means nothing! You can have your extremely underperforming 7mm PRC. Do you know most 7mm PRC owners are only getting 2880 FPS with the 175 gr ELD-X factory ammo? So much for being better than a 7mm Rem mag lol. By the way I have a friend with a factory rifle 1in8 twist 7 Rem mag that can get 3080 FPS with the 180 gr ELD-M. And it shoots the bullet extremely well.
It cannot be hyped enough! The king is dead, long live the new king!
haha thanks for watching!
Thats what i figured. Its only boon on the 7mm rem is the higher twist rate. They should have made it faster
If yall love the 7rm so much why hate on the 7prc? If someone doesn't own a 7mm anything the 7prc is probably going to be a great choice if in a few years ammo will be cheap and plentiful just like the creedmoor. I didn't like the creed but now I love my creeds. Simply because If the box says creedmoor it's going to shoot sub moa. No loading trying to find nodes just buy a cheap box of core lokts and compete with any of my custom builds. If 7prc goes the same route I will be buying one.
Who says I love the 7mm Rem mag? The 7mm PRC is a great cartridge. But it still is overrated by it's fans. Also... is my gun a lemon if (6.5 Creed) it didn't shoot a box of hornady ammo under MOA? I think it averaged around 2 MOA.
@Reloading Weatherby haha yeah I would throw that thing in the trash. Maybe I was just lucky with all mine. I still hunt with 308 or 300wm. I shoot hogs with my 6.5 and they couldn't possibly get any deader haha
You named 4 rounds that are better but expensive or just non existent. My point is weather it's the prc or some other round I would be happy for the shooting community to pick one so that it is cheap and available which in turn makes it a good choice 😉
Don't forget the 7mm-300 WinMag (7mm Practical). 162 bullet 3275 fps
that's what im looking to build out. you have one?
@@lessforloans Not yet but in the works
@@Accuracy1st what direction are you going to take it?
@@lessforloans McMillan or AGStock, TT diamond trigger at 1 pound, Brux or Benchmark cut rifled barrel 4 groove at 26" #5 contour, Hawkins Precision bottom metal, Defiance GA Hunter Deviant action or Lone Peak Arms Razor action
@@Accuracy1st oooooo weeeee. Sexy build. You’re gonna have to show that off once you got it together.
Yeah Hornady no longer impresses me. I am sticking with Weatherby and I plan on ordering a 7MM WBY to add to my Mark V collection.
What’s crazy is a 280ai with a 26” barrel will shoot a 175gr eldx at 2925fps with less recoil then any of what you mentioned. In my opinion it is the best all around 7mm if you are a reloader.
Love the 280AI
@@ReloadingWeatherby It is funny, in Europe we have almost 280 AI performance for decades. I mean very nice 7×64mm cardrige (unoffical know as 7×64mm Brenneke),. Ok, maybe it is a little slower that 280AI but it is very close, faster that standard .280.
They really missed the boat by not putting the 7mm in the 300 prc case. I’d love you make one and see how it performs.
Wouldn’t that essentially make that a 28 nosler? I thought the whole point was to get heavier bullets in 7mm without the recoil and torching your barrel so quickly as the 28 nosler does
@@samgoral4 it definitely would make it a much quicker barrel burner. But it would also give you much higher speeds with a higher BC bullet Than the 28 Nosler can achieve. There’s always a trade off.
@@Roninx1980 ahh, I think Hornady wasn’t going for a super magnum like that and why I think people are excited about it, heavier bullet than 7mag, less recoil than 28 nosler but still gives you more punch on critters. I think if you look more into the Sherman magnums you can find something closer to what you wanna see
Many will have you believe the 7mm PRC is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Firearms and ammunition manufacturers have to keep the shooting public interested in new products. It’s all a sales pitch for profit. I have a 300 PRC in a Howa Chassis rife. Like the 300 PRC, the 7mm PRC is redundant. I like the 300 PRC but, I’d trade it in a heartbeat for a Weatherby Mark V Elite in 300 Weatherby Magnum. The 300 Weatherby and 300 Winchester were setting records long before the PRC’s were even an idea. Hornady chopped off too much case for the 7mm PRC in the name of barrel life and efficiency, sacrificing velocity. This thing that they promote as “efficiency” is actually higher chamber pressure. The factories have historically loaded the 7mm Remington Magnum and 300 Winchester Magnum tame. I look to see faster “modern” twist rates offered in older magnum and standard cartridges in the coming future. That will help level the playing field.
7mm rem mag. Is one of my favorites alongside the 264 win. Mag
Thanks for watching Wayne
Just to add to my other comment
A deer or moose doesn’t care if it gets hit by a 3000 fps bullet or a 2900 fps or 2800 fps bullet. It’s still taking a Dirt Nap.
Just revisited this awesome video.
There is a thing with your numbers I don’t get but I confirmed on a ballistic calc. Maybe you can help me to understand it.
The 175 has a higher BC than the 162 (.689 vs. .630) and it is launched at 60 ft/s more. Still your chart and my calc results show a smaller ft-lb advantage at 500 yards than at the muzzle (388 vs. 340). To me that is super unintuitive.
Yeah.... not sure.
@@ReloadingWeatherby thx. At least my ego didn’t get bruised by you easily explaining it 😁.
In the meantime I was thinking about travel time, but the 7mm PRC even widens the lead from 60 ft/s to 111 ft/s at 500… a mystery 😂
I was hoping the 7 PRC would be a "new age" SAUM. I don't see a need to switch from 7 mag to 7 PRC.
Hornady is a powerful marketing machine that controls a big portion of the hunting/shooting/loading industry because they can produce the components and products. They have taken minor differences in cartridges and marketed them into hype which produces great results for them and other gun manufacturers. Give them credit, a lot of koolaide has been ingested. They produce great products but they are only minor differences in the current products. Something about results at 1000 yards triggers people when the vast majority will never shoot past 600-700 yards. Enjoyed video and I like Hornady for their contribution to our shooting sports and producing components when the competitors are sleeping.
Props to Hornady for how well they kept up during the pandemic.
@@ReloadingWeatherbyYou mean the same Hornady that threatened their employees jobs if they didn't take the jab? The same Hornady that lied the next day because they got caught, company letter confirming the position? The same Hornady that then started an investigation to find out which employee leaked the threatening letter?That Hornady? That is why I no longer buy their ammo. Was buying their ammo before most people had even heard of Hornady.
The PRC fans are just almost as bad as the 6.5 Greedmore fans. These new cartridges are not doing anything that hasn't been done for years. But they found a solution to a problem that never existed.
Agreed! PRC cartridges are junk IMO
@Gearsofchocolate lol not junk... just super hyped by a single company. They are modernized versions of cartridges that already existed.
PRC cases are easier to reload and less of a pain than their belted counterparts.
.243 win is great, or necked up to 6.5mm or 6.5CM ;)
6.5 PRC (I don’t get why but it’s a very fast niche)
7WSM vs 7RM vs 7prc,
7RM looses due to belt ;)
7WSM wins due to short action and variety of usable powders.
7prc wins on speed and tolerances.
300wsm vs 300wm vs 300prc.
300wm loses due to belted.
300wsm wins due to short action and more powders that are usable.
300prc wins due to speed and tolerances.
Sure, the super fans of specific cartridges are annoying as balls, but people that hate specific cartridges, it's equally annoying.
The answer is simple. It's modernisation. It's an improvement. Sure, marginal gains, but gains nonetheless. As far as I know, no other major factory offered 7mm so far has 180gr+ factory ammo, other than maybe an occasional oddball european cartridge using round nose bullets. The 7 PRC can run 190gr bullets without needing to buy a new barrel to increase twist.
At the moment though, for hunting - sure. No noticeable difference. I'll never argue against that, in terms of hunting the 7 PRC brings nothing new. What it does offer is to easily make a hunting and match crossover rifle. A medium weight platform capable of both hunting and matches with little to no modification of the system. For 7 rem mag, 7 wsm, 7 saum, etc. You'd have to go through a lot more to make it work both ways.
300prc for me is just a cheaper and better ballistics 338 lapua
Actually the 7 RUM can push the 195’s @ 3300 fps with 32” barrel easy. It’s definitely the king of 7’s
You can't find ammo because Hornady likes making new cartridges and not supplying ammo for anything they make. They're idiots
I would argue Hornady has been the best at keeping up with demand. Not saying they have been great at it. But compared to their competition they have been much better.
Truth
@@ReloadingWeatherby not for their "new and exciting cartridges!" I have seen like 4 boxes of 6arc on the shelf since it came out. I haven't suffered really because there are several options for making brass, but these PRC folks are going to be SOL
It will not kill 7RM because people's guns will last for generations..... but new sales, rifle sales, will all off a cliff.... he forgot belted cartridge (where I am up to in video). You have people who say no issue, others who do.... that is enough... same as 300WM..... who would buy a new rifle in that as opposed to 300PRC? 6.5PRC kills 6.5CM but ppl make 20" barrels and basically have a 6.5CM with a 24" barrel.
7PRC is not ideal at 24"... just like 7RM and 270, it is best at 27". Who hunts in thick trees where barrel sticking up anyway... if weight is reason get a fkn carbon barrel but keep the length! If you can't carry 10lb, lift some weights.
The major difference between the 7MM PRC and other 7MM MAGS. is the twist rate in the barrels, the rest is just snake oil.
Give it time...7PRC needs time to be in the market for cost to come down...
The cost of ammo is pretty reasonable. It's the lack of ammo choices
There are many options for purchase of 7mm PRC if you live where ammo can be shipped.
^^ This right here! I never understood the argument of “hur dur can’t find in store?!” Uh newsflash dude it’s called the internet and it’s a great way to find things you can’t get in store! What a revelation I know if you can’t find 7PRC in store just buy online and have it shipped and most times you can get it at or less than listed store price! What a shock I know!
The biggest advantage to the PRC is that you don't have to reload to shoot the higher BC bullets... reloaders are a minority.
This is just classic response to marketing. Lots of people are not well educated enough on the topic or are just plain dumb and they simply regurgitate everything a company claims and feed off each other to hype things up more. There never has been nor will there ever be much to be gained from caring about the opinions of the marks and dupes. They’re always the worst contingent of any hobby/interest. The PRC cartridges are nice. They’re not magic. They’re modern versions of tried and true cartridges or they hit a point in the trajectory/recoil/energy balance to give excellent performance for their intended application. Since getting into ballistics, I’ve seen 7mm bullets in the 280AI to 7RM powder capacity as a good balance of sufficient frontal diameter, bullet weight, sectional density, ballistics, and recoil to be about all you need for a do it all cartridge. I’m happy there is a modern version that will be supported with reloading components, but I’m under no illusions that there is any significant new level of performance reached for my application of hunting within 600 yards and realistically 300-350 with my current skill level. There’s no new technology here, just good design. PRC’s represent a nice improvement for the industry, but they’re not revolutionary.
Can find the ammo local but no brass
Like the 6.5 Creedmoor, the fans seem to be the issue. I have a 6.5 CM, but I’m not pretending it’s a death laser. If I was buying a 7mm magnum type gun, it would be a PRC. Just a better design, takes better advantage of modern projectiles than the 7 RM.
Thanks for watching
I'd grab one, but I already have .308, 7.62 x 54r, and soon 300 Win Mag. And I can find those anywhere for much cheaper than the PRC's (except 7.62 x 54r). So while they're pretty cool and all, I don't see a reason to grab em' when I can just buy a ton of .308 and 300 Win Mag for cheap.
Thanks for commenting
To be fair, ammo availability is much better six months after your video. You do is make some valid points. Thank you.
Thanks for watching
Bottom line the: the 7 PRC is much better than 7 Rem Mag with factory ammo and only slightly better with handloads. The 7 PRC guns are almost all designed for premium accuracy and optimal twist rate for 160-180 bullets, and some of the 7mm Rem Mag have optimal twist rates for heavy bullets, but many don't.
Don't be so sure on being much better with factory ammo. I've yet to see a 7mm PRC get 3000 FPS with the Hornady ammo. Most are getting a little below 2900 FPS. I'm getting a 7mm PRC in a month. We will see what the true performance is.
Fair enough - my chrono is in storage but I plan on getting another - I'd like to see what my old Win 70 - 7mm Rem Mag (24" chromo barrel with 1:10) is getting with Federal Terminal Ascent. It seems that most guns get below the box specs - the only guns I've had exceed the box specs are my 24" stainless Win 70 .30-06 and my 26" Win 70 .300 Win Mag (I have Bergara and many others - none of which are exceeding box specs). Interested you posted the 7mm PRC is overrated but you're still getting one - I'm debating about getting a 6.5 PRC or a 7 PRC. Thank you for your reply (by the way the 24" stainless Marlin 1895 XLR .45-70 I'm holding in the photo was about 150 FPS below box spec on the Hornady Leverevolution 325 grain loads). @@ReloadingWeatherby
7mm prc is a 7 rem mag without the drawbacks and setup for modern bullets. It's kinda like what a 308 did to the 30 06 it didn't kill it but kinda overshadowed it.
I agree
Comparing apples to oranges. The 7mm PRC was designed to eliminate the negatives of the 7mm Rem Mag like the belted case and putting a better shoulder on the case but mostly to shoot heavier larger than caliber bullets for long range shooting. There is zero gain for shooting lighter bullets that a 7mm Rem Mag can shoot well. That's it in a nutshell. Ammo is now a lot more available for the 7mm PRC, but it will never have the availability of the 7mm Rem Mag. It is not an overrated cartridge. It does what it was designed to do for long range shooting.
The PRC fanboys over rate it. Did you see the comments? About the 7mm Rem mag. Companies are now making 7 mag guns with 1in8 twist barrels. Ammo companies are now making high b.c. 175 gr bullets for 7 mag. The 7 mag isn't going to go down without a fight.
@@ReloadingWeatherbyYes, I saw that. A 7mm Rem mag that is made today isn't going to change one made yesterday. A 7mm PRC is new and is catching on so well with the improved case that those new 7mm Mags are not going to sell in numbers to shoot those larger than caliber high BC bullets. The 7mm PRC will sell like the 6.5 Creedmoor. The belted cartridge of the 7mm Rem Mag was never necessary and it a weak spot in the case for reloading purposes. Do you think a new 7mm Mag rifle is a better choice than a 7mm PRC? If so, you best think again. The shorter case in the PRC makes a positive difference as well.
@@garrytalley8009 I'm no 7mm Rem mag lover. I think it's a baby magnum. I also don't think the 7mm PRC is that great either. In fact you can get better performance with the 7mm Rem mag with handloads. I don't think the 7mm PRC will kill off the 7mm Rem mag. Ammo availability is 100% better than a 7mm PRC. And as I said gun companies aren't going to let the 7mm Rem mag die.
@@ReloadingWeatherbyIf anyone just wants a hunting rifle the 7mm Remington Mag has the ammo availability and will always be here. No doubt. The 7mm PRC is a fine cartridge and is what I said it was. It is more or less a redesigned 7mm Rem Mag. It shoots great with heavier than cliber bullets. I will say that I am not too fond of the cartridge design when it comes to feeding. I will still hunt with it because I only need the first shot anyhow. A control feed Mauser action would be best to have with this cartridge. Have fun with your Weatherby's. I wonder if you really know the story about Weatherby and how he started his company.
@@garrytalley8009 Yes I know the history of Weatherby
Remember, the PRC is a Magnum case head! Hornady brass is soft in the case head.
Also, Compare the CC water capacity between the 7 Rem Mag and the 7 PRC, they are practically identical, and no one ever mentions this fact!
If you want better performance than the 7 Rem mag/7 PRC, then the choice is simple, the 28 nosler, and better again with the 7mm Ulra mag.
I started reloading for the 7 Rem mag in 1979, never had an issue with a belt in a dozen rifles, Remington, Savage, Browning, and Customs.
I predict that the 7 PRC will be very popular, but do not delude yourself in thinking that you have a leg up on a 7 Rem mag, IF you reload. Hornady may have had a hand in getting SAAMI to up the pressure rating of the 7 PRC vs the 7 Rem Mag. The higher-pressure rating will give the PRC a leg up on the factory loads. If semi autos/pumps are made in the 7 PRC, they will drop back the pressure to which factory shells are loaded at.
It is great to see Hornady do such a great job in Marketing getting people excited to try different cartridges.
I appreciate your breaking-the-hype approach. It seems to be the same old story damn near every time a new cartridge is released. The new kid on the block gets all the attention. Good or bad.
I am always reminded of the old used car salesman. You know the guy. He will always play up the good and smooth over the so-so and perhaps outright lie about this or that. What he will never do is tell you the downsides. Just like with cars, there is no 'perfect' cartridge. There are great ones for sure but there is always solid competition and almost always a version better suited to your needs or wants. Sure you can daily drive a Lamborgini but a BMW or even a Honda Civic might be the wiser choice. In this light, a 7mm-08 might fit the bill better than a hotrod 7mm would.
.Just like cars you have to consider the life span or longevity of what you are using and how you are using it. There is a reason BMWs tend to lose value rather quickly and steeply. Reliability is an issue they suffer. That old Civic might last you forever on the highway and city streets but fall short on a race track. So I question things like barrel life. The punishment it will inflict on my shoulder in prolonged shooting events. And the weight of the rig I have to huff into and out of the field. For me, the availability of ammunition. Just like the 7mm Remington Magnum, Honda Civics and BMWs are everywhere but I see very few Lambos around here.
Like you, I have no issue with any of the 7mm or most of the newer rounds out there. However, the hype is another story.
Thank you for the video.
---Just my two cents.
The new design is very easy to understand. Slightly fatter, shorter case. Similar powder capacities, can be the same C OAL. Designed specifically to shoot modern, high BC, heavy for caliber bullets. It's virtually an "improved" 7 mag IF you want to shoot heavy bullets. Does it make a difference shooting you whitetail at 100 yards? No. Can it make a 500 yard shot easier? Possibly.
The way I look at it is like this: If you have a 7 mag there's no reason for you to buy a 7 PRC strictly for any on game performance reason inside 400 yards. If you just want one, have at it why not. However, if you currently have a 300 RUM and a .243 and want something in between that's sort of a "one and done" and you've narrowed it down to one of the two, there are undeniable advantages to the PRC ballisticaly
As far as the cartridges you named that destroy it, of course the 7 RUM stomps on it ballisticaly, duh. Just like a 26 Nosler "stomps" a 6.5 Creed on paper. Just like an f450 out tows an f250, but if you daily drive both in town and go through tight drive throughs and don't have a need for the 450, the 250 may be the better choice for you even with its "inferior" performance.
For an update to anyone watching this video, Federal now makes a 175 grain eldx round. If your rifle shoots a .8 with Hornady, my experience is you'll get under .5 with federal.
Ammo availability is likely dependent on where you live. I’ve bought 12 boxes of ELD-X and 12 of ELD-M. One of the local stores based out of Texas always seems to have it whenever I go in there. Two others have never had it but they’re based out of Western states so I assume they send all the stuff out west.
As for the cartridge being overhyped, this happens initially with every cartridge and naysayers constantly bad mouth everything new. My opinion is that no amount of marketing or overhyping will keep a cartridge on the shelves if it doesn’t perform… and the alternative is the demise of many great cartridges like the 284 Win, 280 Rem, most of the WSM’s, the SAUM’s initially, the RCM’s, etc.
So we have the choice to deal with competent marketing and messaging or watch great potential cartridges fade into obscurity. In all reality the PRC line is something that was needed to update great cartridges of the past to be able to utilized modern components while keeping lawyers happy and reducing corporate risk.
I agree
First intelligent comment I’ve read so far! I too can find 7prc about once a week in at least one of the 5 gun stores in my area. Ammo is quite often in stock online at sportsman’s with free shipping too!
Steve Hornady's favourite cartridge is the .300 RCM! Honestly, a very cool cartridge.
The 7prc has the least drop in the lineup. However, the intention for the prc was to be able to shoot heavy for caliber bullets ... longer bullets. Its not the fps, nor is it so much about the drop. But more about being more accurate at distances by resisting wind. This concept imo has been around a long time. The 6.5X55 swede ... I think has always had these characteristics. Point being, longer bullets simply perform better at longer range than their shorter counterpart
I agree with you about bucking the wind. But did you say the 7mm PRC has the least drop vs all the other 7mm cartridges? 28 Nosler is 200 FPS faster than a 7mm PRC and can shoot the same high b.c. bullets.
@@ReloadingWeatherby no no ... the 7 prc has the least drop vs the other prc cartridges
The 28 nosler is a barn burner for sure. One of hornadys goals with the prc lineup I think was to create a cartridge that wasnt overbore. They were trying to take a bullet platform(in this case 7mm) and basically do what custom builders were doing with all the equipment it takes to do it, and make a factory load out of it. Yeah, they all have their achilles heel so to speak, but in all the prc lineup are superbly accurate cartridges. LOL this is a conversation much like the "good ole" ford dodge or chevy. Everyone has their preferences for sure. Personally, I like what Hornady is doing.
I love the comment about how “only hornady makes ammo for 7PRC right now so that’s yucky bad no no” well if I remember correctly 6.5 creedmoor was only being loaded by hornady as well when it first arrived on the scene and thanks to its immense rise in popularity everyone and their mother makes 6.5 creedmoor ammo if the 7PRC is slated to be as successful or more successful than 6.5creedmoor than sooner rather than later hornady will not be the only people making ammo for 7PRC and then there goes another complaint against 7PRC I personally only shoot hornady and federal and Barnes and I’ve never once had any issues with either brand of ammunition
I specifically mentioned that eventually a lot more companies will make ammo for 7mm PRC. The problem right now is what if you don't like the ELD-X bullet, or worse your gun doesn't like the bullet. You only have one more hunting bullet right now.
Not a bad design, It performs exactly like the 7mm Rem mag, But you can seat out longer bullets in a standard lengh Long Action. If I would use the 7RM and use those same long bullets, would have to use an action with a OAL of 3.7". Which is the way I will do. Unless 7PRC gets as available as 7RM
Is it being a little overhyped? Probably, in fact almost certainly.
However it IS a great design. It's a 7mm mag optimized from the get-go for long high BC bullets and is a little more powder efficient (a little)
If you want a 7mm mag to do 7PRC things then you have to get at minimum a custom barrel with a little longer throat and faster twist rate for those heavy, high BC bullets.
In contrast if you have a 7prc and you want to do old 7mm mag things (mainly just blistering speed with middle weight bullets) all you have to do is load those lighter bullets and get the subsequent velocity jump from pushing less weight.
It's a factory replacement for the 7mag that does virtually everything the 7mag does but also does other things the 7mag wasn't originally designed for.
In a world where (now) the 7PRC exists there's no reason other than ammo cost (small difference with today's ammo prices) to get a 7mag instead of just getting the PRC.
I want to make it clear that I DON'T have any "issues" with the 7mag, I just think that PRC is the more modern and capable option, it's just a flat upgrade over the 7mag. I've been looking into a little larger "Magnum" cartridge for a while and had ALMOST decided to go with a 7mag with that custom barrel setup I mentioned, but the PRC eliminates that need for the custom barrel to do the things I wanted to do (mainly a "one gun for everything at longer ranges" type of gun) I can hunt basically any animal if ever want to at any range I'd ever realistically need to take a shot AND I can go shoot long range with my buddies and sharpen my skills, and maybe even try my hand in competition shooting (in divisions where the cartridge is allowed of course)
Agree! Very good cartridge
@@ReloadingWeatherby and I still think 7mag (and the other high-stepping 7's you mentioned) are great cartridges, by best friend has a 7mag he got from his uncle and he still hammers deer with it at impressive distances, however his uncle had it custom built with a pole-vault pole for a barrel (it's a 31" tube) and he DOES get bonkers velocity with it, but it's so long that he hates carrying it. Granted that's due to his rifle being a custom build and his uncle wanted "all the velocity" it didn't "need" to be that long.
Thanks for the information man!
The appeal of the PRC to me is I can get 7 mm performance with a 22'' barrel .. which is why I always grab my 7 mm WSM with 24 " ( Win M 70 CRF) before my 7 mm Rem mag. 26 " on paper and performance there Identical...
There are a couple of tests that show the velocity loss is minimal with PRC.. with 22" After watching one of your other videos i resurrected my 30-06 from the back of my gun safe... 1964 Win M 70 push feed, I forgot it was a 0.5MOA rifle with modern ammo and has enough energy to kill at 500 yds with the right ammo! 1500 ft/lbs of energy at 500 yds 22" barrel and nice wooden stock... Just needs modern glass.. After all isn't everybody dialing up for hold- over these days for any shot over 300 yds ?? I know I always take advantage of technology when I can ... Was good enough for Carlos Hathcock !!! I'm enjoying your channel !
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A modern case designed that no hunting rifle is accurate enough to take advantage of. 300 Weatherby magnum is superior hunting cartridge compared to the 7mm PRC.
Well thank you for the video. You are going to make the 7 PRC fan boys upset. 😢Lol
The only advantage over the 7mag is being able to shoot the heavy high BC bullets.
How does it handle the standard hunting bullets like the 175 round nose. Or the 160 and 175 Swift Aframe or Nosler bullets.
Until you can get a good selection target hunting ammunition at 90% of stores for the PRC
I’ll not be hanging up my 7mag.
But I’ll give it to them for doing a absolutely fantastic job marketing the PRCs
Cheers
Hornady is King of marketing
😂 I love it! A few guys at my local sand pit are falling over each other to pay through the nose for a new 7PRC and they are all saying the same stupid crap that you quoted. They think they are going to dethrone the king of 7mm; the 7RemMag! Hornady stepped into a market that is flooded with great rifles cartridges of that caliber. Just as they did with the 300 PRC and have they dethroned the 30-06? No, they didn't and they never will. Outstanding video! Austin👏👏👏
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I think if you are comparing the PRC rounds with like weighted bullets you are missing the point. Take the 300s, sure you can load a winmag close to the PRC, but you are working to do so and there is nothing saying your barrel will stabilize those heavy bullets unless it's a custom build of course. The PRCs tend to pick up where the old cartridges leave off in bullet weight and do so with off the shelf rifles. I'd suspect you will see pushing 200 grain bullets out of the 7 PRC in short time, in which there will then me no comparing the two. And that's the point, eventually you won't be able to seat a bullet deep enough as the weights go up. The PRC can go so much further in weight, and in doing so will begin to stretch those margins between the two.
The only advantage the 7mm PRC has is that you can shoot these heavy bullets out of factory ammo. But I'm coming from a reloaders background where I almost never buy factory ammo. So the 28 Nosler that I have... I can get 180 gr Berger bullets, and they shoot very well... and 200 FPS faster than the 7mm PRC. You mention the 300 PRC... what is the biggest "hunting bullet" that Hornady offers in factory ammo for the 300 PRC? 212 ELD-X. Every single 30 caliber magnum can shoot that bullet with a 1in10 twist. In fact at my elevation I can shoot up to a 230 gr bullet with my 1in10 twist 300 WBY. Sure I can can't shoot the 245 gr or 250 gr bullet. As a hunter I have zero use for the 250 gr bullet. And to be honest... the 300 PRC is shooting those 250 gr too slow. The cost of that 250 gr A-Tip and it going slow in a 300 PRC is probably why they don't offer it as factory ammo.
Personal opinion if you can get 2950-3050 FPS from a 195 grain Berger 7mm bullet you will be in the sweet spot of power and not be a barrel burner. Depending on your elevation you will still have 1600 FPS and 1,000 lbs of kinetic energy.
I own a 7mm PRC... max load of H1000 with a 180 gr ELD-M gets me 2800 FPS. I have a 24 inch barrel.
They should of built it on the full-length 300 PRC case.
" bad things about 7prc: bad you tube comments and faster cartridges exist"🤔
This video was all about teasing the fanboys
Y'all should start a trend, start buying the following, so we can get more variety and fun out of shooting.Demand the Savage 99, Marlin 336c in 35 Remington, Marlin 444 Sporter. Winchester M70 rifles, big bore dangerous bolt rifles in 338,375,416,458, 458 Lott, 460 Weatherby. Start buying 204 Ruger, 243, 6mm, 257 Roberts, 25-06,260,264,270,280, 30-06, the Weatherby magnums. Leave the church of Saint Hornady and short lived cartridges. Buy some Fudd calibers and Fudd guns. Fudds might know more than you think. I had my first gun in 1971, thevUS military gave me one.
All I have are Fudd cartridges.
I understand that some people are affected by recoil differently than others but as a person who has only shot 556 300 blackout and 6.5 Grendel then jumping up to the sevenPRC in the new Mossberg patriot I was thinking my shoulder was gonna get smashed and I barely noticed a difference from what I normally shoot I’m not sure how it can be that different but obviously I only have myself to compare to. If you already own other calibers around the seven PRC there is no real need to buy the PRC however wanting a bigger rifle this to me was exciting I wanted a 300 WSM but that ammo I could not find at all so knowing the seven PRC could deliver the same performance maybe even better had me sold the rifle is cheap the ammo is not cheap but at least I could get some. I order my ammo online even with the shipping price it’s still cheaper than buying it locally people charge $60 per box but I can buy it online for 45
Enjoy your 7mm PRC! It's a great cartridge!
It would be nice to see the 7 remmag, with the 175E LDX factory bullet against the 7PRC factory bullet. Does the seven remegg factory bullet shoot the same speed that it says on the box, 2840 fps ?
There is no way that Hornady offers the 175 ELD-X for the 7 mag.
Thanks for the video and the information. I do agree that there is a lot of hype with the 7mm PRC and people sharing things that just don’t make sense. I do also believe that the 7 mag can also be overhyped.
I did for the most part agree with the data, but I also see people posting getting over 3000 fps with a 175 on a 7 mag. They may very well be getting these numbers, but you can’t claim that the 7 mag has way lighter recoil than a 7 PRC. With the same rifle, more velocity, powder charge and bullet weight will always translate to more recoil.
I think they are both excellent cartridges and I am personally not opposed to either. As someone who doesn’t hand load, the 175 gr is not really attainable. For people like me, the comparison has to be with factory offerings and unfortunately, because of SAMI specs, the higher grain options on 7 mag are not available.
Though 7 PRC isn’t what it’s hyped up to be, I am seeing a lot of other sources preferring it to the 7 mag. Gunwerks was a huge proponent of the 7 mag and now favors the 7 PRC. I’ve also seen numerous other podcasts/videos of people preferring the 7 PRC. I do think it’s a well designed cartridge, and a lot of work went into the development.
I’m not at all trying to conflict with the video and results, just trying to be objective about the subject.
I'm personally not a 7mm Rem mag fan. It should be a lot better than it is. And yes Gunwerks can get the true potential out of the 7mag. Gunwerks is switching to 7mm PRC because the PRC is easier to load for. No belt, and most likely is more accurate.
My local Atwoods and Academy Sports have 7mm PRC stacked on their shelves in both Match and Precision Hunter.
7mm rem mag peters out at 450 yards. 7mm prc can hit the target at 1200+ yards if you have the skill. It has rendered .280 REM, 7mm rem mag, 7mm wby, 7mm stw, 7 RUM and others obsolete. Most TH-camrs do not understand why. That is sad for them but does not diminish the PRC line.
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So the 7 rem mag is shooting the same bullets around the same velocities(little slower) and it peters out at 450 yards? By your logic the 7mm PRC peters out at 475 yards lol.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Thanks for pointing out that you are retarded. Long distance shooting is about many variables not simply velocity. Let’s see you hit a target at 1200 yards with a 7mm wby factory rifle and factory Ammo. Not possible. It is obsolete. Now stop making bad videos and delete your channel.
If I had a 7mm Weatherby... I would do it. How about a outdated 300 Weatherby? I've hit a target at 1200 yards with it a couple of weeks ago. Daniel... have you ever shot a rifle past a 100 yards? I go about once a month with outdated cartridges that should "peter out at 450 yards" yet... they do extremely well out to 1000 yards. I've taken a 270 Win, 257 Weatherby, 243 Winchester, 6.5 PRC, 28 Nosler and 300 WBY long distance shooting. The only one that struggles past 800 yards is the 243 Win. I have a friend that has a fast twist 7mm Rem mag that shoots the 180 gr ELD-M quarter MOA at 2900 FPS. Do you think his rifle will peter out at 450 yards? Do you even reload your own ammo? I'm guessing you buy Hornady ammo and think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Don't over drink the Hornady cool-aid buddy.
7mm prc all the way! My favorite was always the 300 weatherby mag and 7mm rem mag, but with my 7s they’ve always had feeding issues when fed through a magazine. The belt would catch the belt from the round below it and cause a jam or in best case, gouge the bullet from the cartridge below the one that is being fed. Let’s not forget about reloading any belted mag! No more needing to use the Larry Willis die to resize the case after already full length sizing. Let’s not forget the barrel twist to handle the heavies. Yes a 7 rem mag can be rebarreled with a fast twist, but if you’re already doing that, might as well go with the prc.
Interesting... I've never had a belt issue in a magazine. But the 7mm PRC is a good one.
I've never had any of the problems you speak of.
The belt causing feeding issues is something I've never heard of, and you greatly exaggerate the need for a special die for resizing. From my experience I can say it must be rifles with loose chambers that would cause the need for that tool.
The shape of the case makes the big difference, which is part of the reason the 300 and 375 H&H cartridges are considered such wonderful cartridges. They feed reliability out of an action much easier than the short fat cases.
When the wsm cases came out, one of the big problems was that they were far more picky about feeding.
@@wheelchairhillbilly yes, thats true - look at the .375, .416, .458 and even .500 WSM. Apparently with the WSM case, the bigger the bullet, the better it performs. Feeding reliability is an issue for them though, as far as I remember, which is a crying shame because I'd absolutely love a .375 WSM. It's pretty close to identical to the .375H&H, but it is able to go down to 20" more effectively, which I like because it'd be easier to use a Silencer.
@@wheelchairhillbilly I can’t tell if you’re trolling. The ego one must have to believe if they haven’t heard of or experience must make another person’s experience false! Furthermore, it has also been my experience that after about three firings, the body above the belt expands to the point of resistance while chambering a cartridge. I was comparing the 7 prc to the 7 rem mag, but since you brought up the wsm’s, my 270, 7-300, and 300 wsm long action have always fed without issue. Before throating the bore to achieve coals of 3.3” and longer, but also after. Look up the Larry Willis die here on TH-cam and you’ll see others having the issue I had. I will note, as far as the belt issue, I’ve only experienced it with my rifles that have detachable magazines. Weather it be a factory detachable mag or a aics magazine. Both polymer and steel in 7 rem mag and 300 win mag. My weatherbys are hinged floorplate or internal box mag and those have never had the issue with the belts. Those are my experiences, not a certainty for all who use or want to run a belted magnum caliber.
@@leonardogarcia2506 No trolling, or egos. The only time I've seen the need for one of those dies, was with brass shot from a different rifle, and I've never had a problem with a lot more than 3 reloads.
It's been long established that longer more tapered cases feed better by design. The wsm was simply an example, and many people had feeding problems with rifles that weren't perfectly tuned.
I can't comment on detachable magazines, because I've never had one, and that's certainly not something you mentioned.
However, If you have problems with the cheap plastic magazine rifles, I've seen at least one well-known TH-camr mention that one of the great qualities of the Tikka, is that they have far less feeding issues than other plastic style magazines, using 6.5 Creedmoor as the cartridge to compare.
I own and really like a new 6.5 prc vanguard that shoots amazing, so I don't have a problem with the prc cartridges, but I think a 6.5-06 would be just as good.
I just get weary of the hype for the short fats, and how many people are so concerned about belts when that's about all I've used extensively and not seen any of the problems others love to bring up, and I've found most of those people haven't even had a belted cartridge.
Now I can imagine that die being useful if picking up range brass.
It's fine if we disagree, and no hard feelings needed. People have been having disagreement about guns and cartridges as long as they've existed, and it's part of the learning and fun. Your first comment sounded very much like many claims I've heard from people that had no clue, but apologies if you're experence is vastly different.
Just keep in mind, as long as guns and shooting exist, people will be coming up with new tools and cartridges to make more money and get people to spend more money on things they don't need, but buy the hype.
My opinion is, for most people that have many hobbies, and you have a belted 7mm, and want to shoot extreme distance, buy a new 7mag with a 1:8 twist and you will save hundreds of dollars on new brass, dies, and all the stuff you have to get to reload a new cartridge, and buy better glass or save the money.
Hornady is very smart though. Make a new cartridge with less powder capacity, jack up the pressure, and watch the ammo orders and collect the money.
And every teenager that wants the latest will buy one along with getting gun nuts like me to bite sometimes as well considering that I bought a 6.5prc myself to go with my 6.5x300wby. Now if I could find an affordable rifle with 1:8 in 6.5x55 I'd have to get one of those as well just because I like to be different. Happy shooting.
Would have liked a little more case capacity. With more you compete with the 300 win mag in the same grain weight. You don't need to be at 28 Nosler capacity to get great performance. A 180 grain at 3060 to 3100 with a great BC competes with 300 win. For me it has to be decidedly better than a 7mm rem mag and compete with the 300 win or forget it. I'll keep my 7mm rem mag, thanks 😊.
They could have just necked down the 300 PRC....
@Reloading Weatherby I've seen them side by side and even if you were in between where they are now and the 300, you could have done better. My understanding is Hornaday wanted better barrel life and a standard 24" barrel.
7mm 300 weatherby now your talking!