Sondors Metacycle VS Ryvid Anthem SHOWDOWN (Winner is NOT So Obvious!)
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Table of Contents: (0.55)
Ryvid Anthem VS Sondors Metacycle Drag Race Highlights: (1:17)
Anthem VS Metacycle Features: (2:53)
Preorder Perks: (6:25)
MetaRack One Void Saddle Bag metarack.io Accessory for Sondors Metacycle (7:38)
Riding Comfort: (7:58)
Ryvid Anthem VS Sondors Metacycle Riding Sound: (9:00)
Ryvid Anthem VS Sondors Metacycle 0-60 Comparison: (10:27)
MetaScore Comparison: (14:12)
Final Remarks: (18:25)
This is The Metacycle Anthem Showdown a lot of you have been waiting for.
Here’s what we’ll cover today:
Performance on both bikes, Ride comfort, unique features, their cost and preorder perks, promised accessories, and then I’ll give you my two cents on both bikes.
I initiated a drag race between both riders. Both of them are around the $ 160-pound mark and under.
Details on each bike’s 0-60 performance in this video.
Overall this was a great comparison video.
Although, In the sustained Highway performance comparison portion, I feel like the difference between these two motorcycles, seems to have been glazed over and not properly addressed. For potential buyers that actually are looking into purchasing one of these options as a daily commuter, this difference could be a dealbreaker. In the TH-cam channel "Now let's Review" Ethan gives an excellent and honest review of the Metacycle and it's limitations with sustained highway performance. He gives his review from an owners perspective and states that the Metacycle cannot maintain highway speeds (75-80MPH) for more than two minutes without cooling down and a mandatory reduction of speed (high to mid 60's MPH). This happens in both regular “drive mode” and “sport mode“. This could be especially problematic for highway commuters, and leave you vulnerable to being rear ended if you're being tailgated. From other TH-cam coverage and motorcycle media outlets; it is stated that the Ryvid Anthem can sustain highway speeds of 75 to 80 mph (with smaller sprocket option) without a mandatory cool down or slow down period. This, of course would be at the cost of quicker depletion of the battery. This was also confirmed by the reps at Ryvid and it would be foolish for them to make an exaggerated/borderline lie that we know all too well Sondors has been guilty of more than once. My personal correspondence with the Ryvid team through email and over the phone has given me no hint of dishonesty, and do not see why they wouldn't be as upfront with this aspect, as they have been with everything else. This aspect alone makes the difference between an actual commuter tool (which is also fun to ride) versus a toy-ish feeling product (that is mostly, only fun to ride) that you can use for commuting, if you're commute is only about 20 miles or so with little to no highway riding. Full disclosure; I am a launch edition Ryvid Anthem adopter and I am biased. There's nothing wrong with being biased, we all have them. Also, considering that this channel's foundation was based off of coverage for the Metacycle. This video did seem to favor the Metacycle based off of it being the cheaper option of the two. But as this video also stated, with the price hike of $1000 for the Metacycle, that price gap is becoming more negligible. In my opinion, the difference in price is worth the bump in quality that you get in the practicality of the Anthem. Not to mention the complete omission of regenerative braking in this video that the Anthem has over the Metacycle. It was disappointing to see, however, that this important distinction seemed to have been glazed over and dismissed. 12:10 (Hopefully not out of biased) Perhaps a round 2 is in order? A rematch when you receive your personal Metacycle and possibly get in contact with someone who takes delivery of an actual final production model of a Ryvid Anthem. I would most definitely tune in for that. 😊 Hopefully, my comment did not come off too negative and I will continue to enjoy all your great content. All the best!
Good point on that, I did touch on that point in more detail in my review of the Metacycle itself th-cam.com/video/yBV4HPOdKak/w-d-xo.html
Have you received delivery of the Anthem yet? I must say, their customer service is TOP NOTCH in comparison to Sondors (virtually nonexistent).
@@mcraven747 😂 that’s not a tough bar to beat. They’ve been pretty communicative through email. They are shipping out the first round of motorcycles in the following week. But it can’t be more than maybe a dozen or so. I’m not in the first wave so probably in about a month I should be expecting an email to finalize my colorway and other specifications. I’ll update on this thread if you want. But that’s kind of where we’re at. And their customer service has been excellent, I have a direct line with my advocate, and he is pretty quick about getting back to me either through a phone call text or email.
As cool as the sondors looks, they lost my trust - forever. I got a full refund. I'll never pay for a bike that doesn't exist again. I floated them a $5000 interest free loan for almost a year. Need real world, production made customer reviews first.
A bike or anything else. I never believe claims on products anymore until they are final and in the hands of real world users.
$5000 is nothing
@@slimdunkin117 $5000 times the thousands of others who also floated them a $5000 loan for over a year is millions of dollars. Pretty shady.
@@CRPerformance1 they’re known to be slow tho..they have always been slow and had delays. But they do deliver. I got an electric bike from them that took 5 months
@slimdunkin117 First of all $5000 is nothing to you is what you are saying, that doesn't mean that's reality for others. Second just because you got your bike doesn't discount or disqualify the reality that others have faced. I would love a metacycle I paid for one in Nov 2021... I still don't have a bike or a response to phone call requests for the past 5 months. I can't recommend theme based on that.
Great comparison. Ride comfort seems to be the biggest difference as several other reviewers have also spoken unfavorably about the metacycle in that regard
I'm a big heavy guy, so the seat will be the FIRST thing I upgrade on my White Metacycle (don't have it YET, but just received shipping address confirmation email this week of Thanksgiving) as soon as the aftermarket comes up with something that's more comfortable than a plank. LOL
I ordered a Metacycle in March, and have tried 4 times to find out when it was going to be delivered. They promised 3rd quarter 2023 but now I see it might not be until late 4th quarter 2023! I am anxous to take delivery, I am 79 years old and have 66 years experience on motorcycles, I have owned over 50 of every make and brand. I just want to try it before I go to be with my Savior!
Well, as of the last 15 days the sondors metacycle store has been shut down and their customer support has been terrible. People waiting for deliveries or service questions and company has went completely ghost. Take to reddit to see people trying to get a lawsuit together with an official letter
I have a metacycle with a little under 1k miles on it. With mixed driving (35-55mph) I get at most 40 miles, 50mi if I stay at 35-45mph. He's spot on with the battery, it isn't meant to be taken out to charge (takes 3-5min) and the bolts are threaded into the aluminum frame. Also the sport mode turns off after a few minutes and has a minute or two cool down time. I bought the metacycle when it was $5k and for that price I'm not upset with my purchase. Now that it's $6.3k (i paid $700 for delivery) I'd suggest the ryvid solely because the company seems more transparent about their product.
Would any of the two be a good choice for a first time motorcycle/scooter/ city commuter ?
Really looking forward to an E-Motorcycle, seems like a great product for people who just like me are not really looking for top speed and long distances.
Thank you for the open review and clear info about performance vs claims!!
Deciders for me are ride comfort (esp less jarring at speed-our roads can be poor) and delivering on claims (basic truth/integrety) are keys for me. In looks, I prefer the less futuristic appearance. B/c I live where temps are under freezing for months, being able to bring the battery in and leave the cycle in the garage is a Major plus.
Those aside: Availability at present (Oct 2023):
Sondors is in ‘make to deliver’ production, though delivery is 2-2.5 months out at the $6500 price in this vid (full payment up front!).
Ryvid is forecasting Spring 2024 availability at $8995 (~$1100 higher than pricing they stated in vid)/ $100 deposit. So delayed availability, higher price.
Tougher call to go Ryvid given changes in availability and price and likely has much to do with when you want the bike as well as your key priorities.
Great comparison! I'm going to be test riding the Anthem at the Electrify Expo in Long Beach, CA this weekend.
The Ryvid is a nice bike, but I absolutely love my modified MetaCycle. Now that I made quick release lockable battery mounts I can install and uninstall my battery in about 30 seconds and with the Meta Hack Bluetooth USB adapter, and iPhone Meta Hack software, I can adjust the maximum amps, acceleration, unlimited sport mode, regenerative braking level, and other parameters, making the MetaCycle just about perfect now!
Thanks for the honest review as one can only make an informed decision knowing the facts. Looking at the Sondors, I thought the seat would be pain-filled as it is so slim and short. What I don’t understand with these bike manufacturers is their inabilities to make a fast, longer lasting bike. I have seen other manufacturers create said bikes, but their prices are astronomical not economical. Pity.
I have a bad taste in my mouth after seeing that Sondors has again promised data which it could not substantiate. You may remember its rollout of the Sondors ebike in 2015 where there was a big discrepancy in range, weight, top speed and brakes. I find that Sondors basically lied about the availability of the non-painted brushed aluminum frame, the 0-60 acceleration times and the removable battery. The removable battery was a big deal for those who live in apartments and have no way to charge the Metacycle in the street. One of the big pluses of the Anthem was not even touched upon in the video. The Anthem would be able to charge while on the road at any public charger with the J-plug, whereas the Metacycle is charged only where the 120 volt plug is available like at home or work.
I would like to see the wiring diagrams for these 120 plugs/ and battery bank and how they're planning to integrate that to those aftermarket battery or Level2 plug...as I think we might be able to source them outside of Sondors as they're years out on delivery of either IMO.
@@WillyEarl098 I'm sure someone is going to reverse engineer the pin outs on the cable that connects to the Metacycle's battery to charge it. It may require a charge controller in-line between the charging station and the bike. Depending if the hardware on the Metacycle is capable of talking to a Electric Charging Station's equipment. Or not.
The METACYCLE is on sale from now until March 15 for $4,000. Just reserved mine today for (hopefully) Q4 delivery.
Where did you see this?
@@TheMannyPlays I only see it for $6000 on their website
@@pilly1000 it was a deal for the first 1000 orders. I also ordered it then for that price. sucks that the deal is over
I'm not a big motorcycle guy in fact I'm a beginner so these wannabe e-motorcycle or scooters makes sense for me. There are e-bikes out there that cost more than $7800 with less impressive specs than what these two bikes can offer. The mid-drive, comfortable seat and hopefully detachable battery is the choice for me.
Well said. And not a bad choice between the two.They're both a great deal for electric city commuters.
An important feature for me is actually a simple helmet lock
Both of these bikes are good choices. Price is the number one issue for me, don't forget taxes and any additional fees or delivery charges.. Delivery time is the second factor. Waiting a year for delivery is ridiculous. Sondors had a sale price recently of $4000. I missed the sale but that price point is a winner.
75 miles.... i couldn't even drive the Ryvid home if I were to take the train inland to pick it up. For that price we should at least be able to go from the Inland Empire to the coast without getting range anxiety. Also we need NACS charging capability rather than these slow granny plugs
the capability of DC fast charging or battery removal on the Ryvid.
So much info and easily understood. thank you
Don't be so afraid of the letter "T". It's completely harmless!
I agree my accent can hardly be categorized. I just may turn this channel into a french one - it is my first language after all.
Knowing they have a UK-based Certificate of Conformity would be helpful.
The Anthem is perfect (for me) in range and power. After my bad experience with Niu MQI GT Evo, I would like to try this. When does it come to the EU? You can sell many here, distances are smaller, big market! US can keep the ridiculous Sondors
largest issue for me is battery which = range...
some people don't want to spend 10k~ or so on a ebike to get 30-40 mile range, when due to there location even "babying the throttle" will not get them back home. its not so much about wanting to go 24/7 70mph its more so of wanting range to go to the city and back.. USA doesn't have emopeds yet that have good range, and most emoto companies are only really looking for people that are already in a city....
if you live in a small town with nothing there with a city around 30 miles away with hills etc having a small battery but huge power isn't really needed, an option to always have a larger battery that isn't going to affect the purchase as much as 30% just for 1 kwh is just not worth it.
I think you forgot to mention that the Sondors sports mode you can only ride it in sport 80 mph for only 2 minutes then it cuts off and forces you and the motor to only go 60mph so its totally not safe for highway thats pretty dangerous.
True. At this moment it is something you can tweak on your own once you own one. Fairly easily too.
I think the Metacycle should be more silent than the Anthem, because it got a Hub motor.
I was a round 1 Metacycle buyer 2 years ago and still never received the bike or proper communication. Ended up getting a refund, disappointing reviews and not a company I wanna spend my money with. Like the looks of the Ryvid a lot but will be waiting until it's actually in production.
Direct drive is for bikes. Mid-drive belt drive is emoto. Sondors is financial unviable.
Nice review. What is the windscreen on the Metacycle?
Thank you! That was a custom one belonging to the owner of that metacycle. Cannot recall where he got it from, sorry. But there are many you can emulate on this facebook page facebook.com/groups/770913380195452
Might pass on the sonders heard they just filed for bankruptcy and tons of customers who ordered back in August still have no bike today .
What about Sondors promise for a level 2 charger for the void a area?
They completely failed on that. But there are many owners using level 2 after market chargers today. See here by searching facebook.com/groups/770913380195452
How much did the seat height adjustment matter? I would think that would be a huge advantage for the Anthem.
Seat height is a great plus for the Anthem. I am on the taller spectrum, and I actually like it a lot.
Do we know which gearing option the Anthem had during this test? High torque or Highway speeds gearing?
It’s running the smaller sprocket which increases range. They’ll have an option for a larger sprocket which will have it launch faster, but will reduce range
Didn't talk about charging
True, they are too similar to touch one in an already long video. Decent 4 hour ish charging to fill them up from below 20% to full.
@@TrevorAgli more interested in the charging infrastructure or fast charging availability. What adapters come with it etc
My biggest concern about buying either of these has been and continues to be the “lie factor”. We all know that newly released products hardly, if ever, live up to the hype or expectations, but I feel like many of the promised features and specs, especially where the metacycle is concerned, have been forgotten. The removable battery being the biggest in my opinion. Though, the range, power, and etc are as equally concerning.
take their specs and divide them in half and you will closer to reality
Sorry, IMHO this review is a waste of time to watch. If it were meant to be the least bit honest it would be called Sondors Metacycle shipping now $6,500 (Includes delivery and Doc fees) VS Rivid Anthem Prototype (Taking orders now $7,800 PLUS SHIPPING w a $500 discount shipping could add another $500) ETA Sometime next summer as long as nothing happens like what happened to Sondors bringing a new motorcycle to market. If you wanted to be honest you would have gotten your hands on the Prototype Metacycle with pop out battery, 80 MPH Speed and 80 Mile range w 6.9 sec 0-60 (That was the spec on the prototype but they don't always match the bike that finally makes it into full Production) Right? They don't always deliver exactly what they show on the prototype right? Or at the time they promise Right? And you would have ran those 2 next to each other. There are so many hacks profiting clicks on Sondors back and always have been. The views on this one are kinda weak. P.S. Metacycle battery is easily removable in 2 min and if you couldn't do it over and over again as many times as you like without damaging anything, you should not be near tools at all.
I agree, ^ makes a good video He wants to sell his idea for a pack for the bike. If this video is still up I would love to come back and see how the ACTUAL production Rivid ends up costing and real specs, delivered, When it gets delivered if ever and how it really stacks up for the money. I'll have 100,000 miles on my Supermassive by then. what do you think of that Mad Mod Windshield?
How do you like your Supermassive?
Does Anthem sustain the top speed?
Yes it does, for a bit longer then the metacycle does.
The bike is nice except the battery looks really huge and out of place. I would change the look of the battery
I can see that. Thankfully the roundedness of the battery prob reduces the design's impact on drag coefficient.
The Anthem looks to be built MUCH MUCH Better than the Sondors
Yep that's my take on it as well and its convenient feature friendly for all riders wanting one !!!
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What's with the fake British accent?
These are slow.
The quick release battery on the Ryvid is a must have feature for me
In my opinion "Comfort" needs to be near top of the list. Maybe slightly behind power and range, but it will make the difference with my purchasing choice.
Power/acceleration is one of the most important factors for me and I appreciate that you cover it in a detailed manner. Too many reviewers gloss over it you don’t truly get an idea unless there are some actual figures (0-30, 0-60, top speed). After your reviews I know that neither of these bikes are for me.
I'm very concerned about a highway ride by a buyer I saw on YT, where the software cut the power after acceleration onto the interstate...then slowly built to the top speed needed on such a road, it was very noticeable how that glitch could get you run over...it was like shifting from 5th speed to 3rd unexpectedly and at the mercy of the software to get increase speeds back... throttle was maxed... scary stuff for something marketed as Highway use specs capability.
Glad it was helpful! I know these bikes will serve many well, but at the same time, will be a no go for heavy commuters on the busier US highways.
Nah man I would say Ryvid is the better buy and here's why:
Ryvid has
1. A true quick and easy detachable battery (possibly a deal breaker if you cant take your bike in an apartment or can't reach an outlet to charge)
2. Has a more comfortable seat
3. The seat can adjust its height
4. Can sustain its higher speed on the highway
Sonders
1. Looks better but who really cares about the looks
2. Cheaper
3. Can possibly have more accessories due to the open space in the frame
Final thoughts:
I have seen almost every youtube video about Sondors and Ryvid. Range and speed seem to be similar with both bikes. Almost everyone dislikes the seat on Sondors and that the battery takes some actual tinkering to remove. Having to unscrew the bolts which i have heard takes about 2 mins. Also even then I have heard that those bolts wear out quickly and so the battery is not meant to be removed often. In order for the Sonders to hit its max speed you have to switch to another driving mode which is temporary. After a few mins of driving with the top speed, the driving mode will switch back to normal and will slow you back down to 60 mph without a warning which can be dangerous on the highway. Then you have to wait for a cooldown period to engage the top speed mode again. Sondors is a completed bike while the Ryvid is still in prototype but showing good results. I don't like the short comings of Sondors bike, and for me a true detachable battery is too important. Also being able to sustain at least 70 mph on the highway with the Ryvid is obviously better than a temporary top speed mode.🙄 So in the end Ryvid is worth the higher price but my only concern is if they increase the price past $8,000.
Good review. I am sure both companies will increase their entry prices overtime for sure.
The ryvid anthem is priced 7800 plus 500 off shipping (shipping is probably 700 to 900 bucks) as of December 30 2022, Hopefully they won't increase the price this coming January, to 8000 or more, otherwise I suggest yall get it now while it's still fairly priced!(I believe there's a payment plan where you can pay for a minimum of a year).
What is that accent? It’s sounds like a weird mix of American and British… ???
I would love to have one of those Ryvid Anthems for the look, style and its features including the wider adjustable seat and that it's capable of doing highway speeds at a somewhat affordable price point but I wouldn't want to wait a year and half to get one with $$$ already plopped down on one in advance !!!
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Thank you for this video and your continued evaluation of electric motorcycles!
I am a first rounder on the Metacycle, and still waiting on delivery. I am unfortunately frustrated with Sondors for the lack of communication and fact that the specs are in no way living up to what they had initially promised, but people still seem to enjoy them. I'm going to hold the final verdict until I actually receive mine and am able to ride it for myself. It still sounds like it is a lot slower than what I was hoping for.
I was hoping for a smaller electric motorcycle that would go on the highways when I needed it to, but be more of an around the town cruiser, with the ability to just "lite it up" if I wanted to. There is no "lite'ing up" a 0-60 of 16 seconds. A Prius is faster...
I have started researching the Anthem, and it looks like a solid Motorcycle. I like the raising and lowering of the seat, it seems well made, and in one of the interviews, the creator talked about wanting to offer a flexible software design that opened the door to tuning. That sounds cool! However, after my experience with an "early purchase" of the Sondors bike, I am done being an early investor. Whatever small savings that are available are nowhere near worth the wait, the potential headache of a new company, and the frustration of not receiving what I bought. I bought an electric motorcycle that goes 0-60 in 6 seconds and has a removable battery. I'm over the battery - I don't need it - but the speed is really annoying.
All that said, and I just test rode the Zero DS 7.2 and I am really mad at myself for not buying a Zero 2 years ago. Zero is an established company who calls you back - novel concept. The bike is not "vaporware", it actually exists and you can ride it, buy it, and take it home on the same day! Yes, it is more expensive, but I wasn't looking hard enough to realize the true cost. In Illinois, where I am, the Zero is eligible for a $1,500 tax credit because Zero is licensed to do business in IL. Sondors and Rivid are NOT! Therefore, a motorcycle that I can buy today, ride today, and have in my garage (today), which retails for $13K ($12,995, but let's just call it 13), really costs $11,500 - some other $750 rebate = $10,750. Yes, I bought the Sondors for 1/2 that, but it's not what I wanted. I would pay double for the Zero, and just might.
In the end, after hearing what some of my friends paid for their electric bicycles, about the same, I am pretty sure I am going to keep the Sondors (Happy Birthday Wifey) and might look into something else (Zero) for myself.
Thanks for the review!
Ryvid cost less to fix and modified ,great design
I received my Delivery Address Confirmation Email from Sondors this week for my Artic White Metacycle. So I should be getting contacted by the shipping company pretty soon to arrange final delivery. Unfortunately it's winter time in Indiana, so I'll have to most likely wait until spring to really put it though it's paces. But I plan on taking it out a few times if there's no salt on the roads and the weather is above 40F. I'm planning on posting some short videos about it on my TH-cam channel with some quick things I notice when I finally get it. Longer videos will have to wait until the warmer weather arrives in the spring. ;-)
Keep me updated, I received that same email last week, been waiting for 2 years
@@hlagunes Can Do! 👍
I live in Los Angeles, just minutes from Sondors HQ and I received the confirm-my-address email in October for delivery of my Metacycle in Massive black. Two months later I still have not received any delivery date. I pre-ordered in December, 2021 and paid upfront the total cost in August, 2022.
My order number is 15272. As of today December 19th 2022 I if not received any new messages from them yet.
Great, great video. I hope your channel grows fast. - Best!
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I prefer to ride with comfort. The Ryvid looks better for me.
Did anyone notice that the the display on the Sondors is so dim you cannot read it in direct sunlight......so you could end up breaking the speed limit as you cannot see the screen. Meanwhile the Anthem's display is bold, bright and you can see EXACTLY what is going on. In my view the quality of the anthem is light years ahead of the Sondors.
Lets goooo! Good stuff my guy been waiting for something like this the Anthem is def a strong bike in the market!
I feel that the futuristic space could be better utilized for cargo, i'm sure most of us will add a cargo pod in the rear but if we can fit a small helmet in that space, why not. Empty space is a wasted space
Have you made a full Ryvid anthem review?
I will be making one in the next few weeks on the production version.
sondors you can only usr sport mode for 2 minutes😂.. i heard from 0 to 60 takes like 9 seconds
Neither company will be around in 5 years. Better to go with an established company for parts, service, warranty repair, resale, etc.
Let's see what Yamaha, Honda, BMW, KTM, others have to offer. For now - go with Livewire S2 Del Mar.
Livewire S2 Del Mar not a bad option at all. It's sturdy and fast.
Honestly, look is not that fancy at all. The scene is in need of a drastically futuristic look, something brutally new. for better or for worse, something like what the Cybertruck is to trucks right now.
Plus the Sondors, due to its specs is ILLEGAL to go on the roads in the UK