😂 honestly if i was a dark wizard and I knew that a baby was born that would one day defeat me I wouldn't try to kill him, I would raise him to be stronger and even more evil than I am and plant a fake prophecy saying that I must be resurrected before he could truly be king. That way I either get brought back or the boy goes crazy trying
I think you're misinterpreting the "can't touch Harry" thing. Voldemort couldn't have touched him, cursed him, killed him, cause the sacrificial protection lingered on with Harry way past Lily's death. If Voldemort used another's blood, then if he tried to kill Harry again, he'd be blasted back into the ghost-like state from the end of Philosopher's Stone. Because why should Lily's sacrifice only work once to save Harry from Voldemort in particular? What would've changed from Halloween '81, that could've allowed Voldemort's curse to hit and work? The whole point of taking Harry's blood into himself was supposed to allow him to finish his quest from 13 years prior, and being able to touch Harry was one of the symptoms of Voldemort sneaking past the sacrificial protection.
@@bignems314 Harry's mother's protection was separate from the spell Dumbledore cast to keep him safe at his aunt's It also involved blood, but it was the blood connection between him and Petunia. That protection is what ended when he turned 17. His mother's protection was much stronger, as it didn't need a spell to work; it was her sacrifice.
Did you guys ever notice, that a LOT of Rons predictions (aka divination homework, "mock" predictions in lessons) come true? Harry working for the ministry? Yep. Ron drowning and Harry getting betrayed by someone he trusts? All in fourth year. Ron joking about Tom Riddle getting his award for "taking care" of Myrtle? Yeah.. turns out he DID. The list goes on. Maybe Ron should have taken the class more seriously after all. [Edit: The Tom Riddle-Note]
@@Sitwayen do you happen to know the title? I went looking and can't find one where the title is obvious (e.g. ron's predictions come true type of title)
This is a really good way to think about writing villains in general. Most of us writers usually start by having a plan for the novel that features the hero's plan but doing a good solid outline of the villain's plan makes the story come to life.
I think this especially makes sense if you keep in mind that most villains are the heroes of their own stories. If, in this case, JK worked through Tom Riddle's heroes journey, it would explain why he doesn't feel two dimensional.
This theory has been discussed before, I’m sure of it. By Ben, I think? At the time, he said that it was Pettigrew who would come back as Harry. He has the best chance to potentially fool Ron and Hermione as he has been monitoring them for the entire time they know each other basically. Voldy would be outside Hogwarts executing his various plans and BCjr and PP would be his eyes and ears inside Hogwarts. Book 6 plan would then become a Book 5 one (He would no longer care about the prophecy since Harry is dead) and Book 6 would be his grand reveal and ministry takeover.
@@elilitzinger6571 Admittedly the only thing I can think of is the one listed in the original comment, that in the original they had Wormtail return to Hogwarts instead of Voldemort
I think the ability to touch Harry was not to boost his offensive capability, but to make sure Harry couldn't use the "bum rush Voldemort even without a wand and kill Voldy by burning his face off just by touching him with his bare hands" maneuver like he mortally wounded Quirrelmort with
If we're going with the (somewhat inconsistent) movie Polyjuice Potion rules then you have a Voldemort disguised as Harry coming back from the task that still sounds like Voldemort. Just imagine that conversation with Dumbledore.
He wouldnt really need to talk. He wouldve simply come back and surprise Dumbledore with an Avada Kedavra attack. Then he would expose himself and claim victory over the wizarding world.
I think the movies only did that to remind the audience that crabbe and goyle are harry and ron. I think in reality the polyjuce potion also changes your vocal cords so that you sound exactly like the person you transformed into.
@@Nico-wg5joExactly: a complete physical change, which is why I don't think that the magic would take into account actual scars or anything that the person had. Only just how they were meant to be physically. But it's all weird, anyway.
@@gorudashiro Then explain Barty loosing his leg and eye when turning into Moody? SCB actually does a video on how they think Polyjuice works exactly but the short (and not entirely accurate but again it's shorter) answer is that it does take into account scars and injuries - it's an exact physical copy
@ abraham and nico : yes and yes. Its both 1- voldemort wouldnt need to hide for long, at most a couple hours. All he needs is to get alone with dumbledore and a.k. him without witnesses - not for stealth reasons, just so he can control the pace of the chaos, also using the killing curse in front of hundreds of students, even if 90% of them panic, that still leaves about 100 wands instantly raised against you, throwing expelliarmuses, sectum sempras and petrificus totalus. Hes not dumb enough to risk that 2- the polyjuice potion does change your voice in the books, and performs any other physical changes to match what the person looks like currently (scars, missing body parts, pregnant belly, body fat, etc), so as long as he can keep drinking his disguise would be perfect, except for one thing : voldemort does not express or carry himself anything like harry potter, and i feel like dumbledore would quickly see through it, as he has intimate knowledge of both tom riddle and harry potter. However would it be quick enough that he would realize what is actually happening before its too late? I dont know. Thats up for debate. He would probably realize something is wrong with harry in the first minute, but that might make it worse. Dumbledore might react by immediately trying to isolate the 2 of them for some questioning. Which is exactly what voldemort would want.
3 Theories I wanna see 1:MORE CHOSEN ONE NEVILLE 2:What if Draco And Harry Where BESTIES 3:And I don't know what if the Dursleys where nice to Harry(Would that change the story. (Maybe they will spoil him like they did with Dudley, Maybe he is a bully.)
I've come up with a What If that I think would be very interesting. "What If Harry Potter Was A Squib" I really want to see how you flesh out the story. Would Dumbledore know when he was a baby? Would he tell the Dursleys? Would the Dursleys treat Harry better knowing he wasn't magical? Would Dumbledore still bring Harry to Hogwarts to learn about Magic and teach him to defend himself? Would Harry still have some of Voldemort's powers such as parseltongue? Would Harry still get a wand and would his original wand choose him?(Even though he wouldn't be able to use it). Would it be public knowledge that "The Boy Who Lived" was a squib? Would Harry still be put in Gryffindor? Would Filch be kinder to Harry cause they're both squibs? Would Harry have more Astronomy, Herbology, History of Magic, Care of Magical Creatures, Divination(Maybe?) or Study of Ancient Runes classes instead of classes that involve using magic. Would Harry be taught how to fight without magic like with a sword, using potions or having pet magical creatures? Would Harry still go into the chamber of secrets and save Ginny? Would Harry still runaway from home and call the knight bus or meet Sirius? Would Harry still need to save Sirius from the Dementors? Would Harry still be entered into the tri wizard tournament? Would Voldemort still take Harry's blood and return? Would Harry be able to save himself and Dudley from the dementors? Would Harry still be allowed at Hogwarts when Umbridge becomes Headmistress? Would Dumbledore get Slughorn's memory? Would anything in The Deathly Hallows be the same?
@@Martyn_Wolf No, it doesn't. Sure, Harry wouldn't be able to use magic -- but that doesn't mean the prophecy can't work, and if the prophecy still applies then Dumbledore will want Harry at Hogwarts. So Harry will still go to Hogwarts. The real problem with this What If is that there simply isn't enough stuff we know about the magical world to answer a lot of those questions.
I'm pretty sure that he took Harry's blood in order to kill him. Lily's protection would still work. If he tried to kill Harry magically the same would happen as the first time. Also if Voldemort did the whole thing earlier and didn't manage to kill Dumbledore ok the same night, it would only be a few days of taking polyjuice.
Hey guys theory idea. In book 5 Dumbledore says he can escape Azkaban but it eould be a waste of time. What's your guys theory on how he would do that?? Love the videos!
My first guess would just be Fawkes. The anti-apparition charms at hogwarts didn't do anything to stop him after all, and i don't see a reason to think that Azkaban is any more phoenix proof.
nah bro i need a whole @SCB series where voldy kills harry and pretends to be him from hp4 to hp7 then hp comes back in the end somehow, since dumby is avoiding harry to avoid voldy it would be convenient and funny
This is certainly how Voldemort seems to interpret the ritual. But he is also always narcissistic in his views of the world. Though much in magic seems to be vague, which either means there are multiple ways of achieving the same magical ends, or just an overwhelming number of ways to fail at any given magical endeavor. The latter seems more likely for something like a potion though. Afterall, stirring the wrong number of times, or in the wrong direction can ruin your whole potion. And I thought baking was finicky; potions are the worst.
I disagree, because of how specific that is. Is there an existing ritual in world to bring someone back from death using the blood of a prophesied enemy? Has this situation actually come up before? If not did Peter make the ritual? I don't think he'd have the magical prowess to manage that, Crouch was busy with other things and Voldemort wasn't physically able to spellcraft at the time. Personally I think it's much more likely that the ritual works with anyone considered an enemy.
Hasn't this theory been done before? I swear you guys have talked about the reason the portkey goes back to Hogwarts was because it was a part of the plan to have a fake Harry return after he killed him. Or do I have Deja Vu? Edit: It wasn't Deja Vu. Ben did the episode 5 years ago called "Harry Potter Theory: Voldemort’s FULL Tri-Wizard Cup Plan!"
I always interpreted "i can touch you now" as 'i can harm you now', as referencing the ancient sacrificial magic that Lilly used. I believe that until Harry became an adult, he was protected from any lethal harm due to this his mothers' sacrifice. Meaning there wasn't anyone who could possibly kill or even attempt to kill Harry without triggering the protective magic in form of help, burning to a crisp, or any random event, the spell is a certain plot armor to save the day. With Harry's blood, he believed the spell would refuse to act, which was Voldemort's plan all along. He didn't just want to be the one who killed Harry for his reputation, he could have easily challenged and kill anyone who did the deed for him, but he knew he'd be the only one who would be capable of doing so. As for the polyjuice to get back to Hogwarts, i doubt it. There is no way Dumbledore wouldn't realise it the second he saw Voldemort impersonating Harry, especially with the heads up he got from Snape. Then on top of that there is the issue of what wand to use. We know from the Deadly Hallows that the elder wand refused Voldemort but accepted Harry, so wands CAN distinguish between their users even if the same blood is present. Meaning Harry's (very loyal) wand would most likely refuse Voldemort (i doubt the twin core means they can use eachothers wands). And without Harry's wand, there would not be fooling anyone, especially when he returns from the maze with not only a different wand, but a wand from a registered death-eater. Given the significance of Voldemort's terror, i would imagine those wands in particular are infamous among the entire wizarding community and raising all alarm bells.
While the idea of Voldy wanting to pose as Harry is interesting, and probably true, you seem to forget that on that fateful night when he fell the first time, he probably did not try to touch Harry, the spell still bounced. So if he did not get Harry's blood, Lillys protection might well have protected him from Avada Kedavra again. We (and Voldemort) cannot be certain that he could kill Harry if he does not use Harry's blood to return. just my 2 cents
I read a fic (2:05 ) that explained that the ritual Voldyshorts was using required the blood of his enemy forcibly taken after 9 months of extreme stress/danger. So basically, Harry had to be in the tournament, or he wouldn't have been stressed enough for the ritual.
The fanfic also added that the ritual required everything to be steeped in the amniotic fluid of a pregnant lady. so you have mother, father, and then a few bonus things just for you. The ritual is meant to be a rebirth, so it mirroring the actual pregnancy process makes sense.
I thought it was more likely that Voldemort wanted it to look like Harry simply died in the maze. He and his followers would know that Voldemort did it, and aside from Dumbledore, the rest of the wizarding world would believe that Harry simply died in the maze.
I was thinking the same thing...Usually the most simple reasoning is the most accurate one, and you see this in how the Daily Prophet attributed Cedric's death to a terrible accident during the tournament. It would have been covered the same way, allowing Voldy to gain power in the shadows.
Yeah he could of even blamed it on Krum, Barty still had him under the Imprius curse and Barty could of made Krum say that he got caught up in the moment and wanted to win so badly that without thinking he used the killing curse on Harry just as Harry was grabbing the cup
If the whole thing was meant to be a one night thing, why not have “ Moody” call Harry to his office for tea, to share a book like with Neville or whatever way earlier in the year and make the teacup or something a Portkey? Voldemort comes back way sooner.
You ever get the feeling that sometimes SCB are looking deep into the lore and interpreting the text as intended, and sometimes they're just writing the story themselves to fill in plot holes? This is the 2nd one.
Yeah this was definitely not a good take. It's not that hard to understand that "being able to touch harry" was a way to explain that he now could kill him, and not just touch him. These guys are smart enough to know that so this was more just a fanfic
This would explain Barty Crouch Jrs. Conversation with him. Its possible when he asked “what was he like?” and “were there others in the graveyard?”, he actually thinks its another death eater in disguise. Only when Harry responds does he then realize that the real Harry Potter returned.
I thought that only happened in the movies? It's super weird in the movies, because in those he's already been meeting with Voldemort for a while already. In the books the time between his escape, recovery, replacement pf Mad-Eye all happen really quickly. Like it feels like only a week or less, where Arthur Weasley mentions having to help Mad-Eye (assuming that's when it happened) and then they start school right away.
I always thought Polyjuice potion would need a living host. Wasn't that the reason why Barty kept Moody alive (and also to keep fresh hair available for his next drink)
I was looking for this comment because Voldemort would only be able to pose as Harry for the time limit and then would be in a tough position of getting out of Hogwarts undetected 😂
This one is an open question, though I lean more towards it not being the case. I think the reason Moody was kept alive was because they needed Barty Jr. to pose as him for an extended period of time and they couldn't risk running out of hair (or any other body part).
I think the only reason it took all year was because the potion needed to brew. It seems like the more complicated the potion, the longer it takes to make (polyjuice potion takes a month and Felix Felices takes six), and this was one Voldemort invented himself and was designed to bring back someone from ghost form. I still believe that the plan in the book was overly complicated. With Barty Crouch Jr. as a teacher, all that he would need to do is ask Harry to come to his office, ask him to pass over a book on the desk, and poof. The same results as the trophy. Even if Voldemort didn't know how close Harry and Dumbledore were, he could have used Barty Jr. to bring volderharry to Dumbledore's office on some made up pretext. So the access would have been the same, you would arguably have more privacy in nearly every step to pull it off, and there are fewer things that could go wrong. So I would argue that the real reason the plan took so long is because the potion needed to brew, and having Harry in the games at best provided a nice distraction for Harry and Dumbledore to keep them from looking too closely at Barty Jr.'s different behavior from the real Mad Eye, or from potentially discovering Wormtail brewing the potion.
Also the resurrection thing Voldemort was using asked for “Blood of enemy forcibly taken” so easily they could’ve done that at any point of the year and since Voldemort didn’t want anyone know he’s back, Harry not knowing helps quite a lot
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Lets not forget that Lilly's protection already protected Harry from Voldemort's magic before (kinda how Voldy died in the first place) so if he tried to personally kill Harry without being able to bypass the protection and "touch" him, there's a good chance it would have failed again. Taking Harry's blood was probably necessary to magicaly kill him as well as physically touch him.
Voldemort really cares about harrys education, 2 of bros death eaters taught him his signature spell (snape)and was arguably the best DADA teacher during harrys time at hogwarts(barty jr/mad eye)
The first time I read Goblet of Fire I thought there must have been an easier way to get Harry. I knew from the start of the tournament that they wanted to capture Harry alive.
It still doesn't make a whole lot of sense though. As you said; "Moody" could have kidnapped Harry at any point. There was no need to for the Tournament at all. Set up an extra homework assignment as a portkey to take Harry from Moody's office to Voldemort in Crouch's house. There was no reason to have to set things up in the graveyard. Did the spell specifically say the bone had to be fresh plucked from the grave that minute? It could all still have been done at any point during the year. "Harry. Glad you could come talk to me in my office during, I dunno, dinner or something. CONSTANT VIGILANCE! Also hold this book for me for a second." Harry gets teleported, blood, bone, etc. Polyjuice the Nose-less wonder, back before dessert. "Oh, Professor Dumbledore. Can I just tell you something? AVADA KADAVRA!"
Have you done a video on if Lily and James hadn’t been betrayed by Peter and not been killed by Voldemort that night, would he still have been successful later on or would the Order and Dumbledore defeated him back then?
The better Harry seems the more credit people will give to old Moldywort for killing him. He's not a "kid" age 14, he's a Tri-Wizard Champion, powerful and smart! A force to be reckoned with!
I think one thing you didn't consider is how polyjuice potions work. They take a month to brew and last an hour (I looked at the wiki to double check, and the wiki says it lasts 10 minutes to 12 hours depending how well it's brewed, but I swear the book just said it lasts an hour) and the part added has to come from someone still alive. So even if he had the potion all ready and just needed to add something from Harry to finish it, it's going to last for a limited time if he killed Harry.
Also also, actually actually - there must have been a small contingent of Death Eaters still hoping Harry would fill the role of Dark Lord. So Voldemort becoming Harry could have doubled as a ploy to find these "traitors" or else to help unite the two sides of his followers.
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I just finished the second HP movie, and it has been a while since I read the books, but I began wondering whether a good video could be "How many times did Voldemort ruin his own plan". Because in the Chamber of secrets, he mentions how much grief a little book can cause which Harry then realizes, ah destroy the book. And it got me thinking if he hadn't written the message about Ginny's corpse will never be found, then Harry and Ron might not have looked for the Chamber at that exact moment. And as HP experts, I was wondering if you had found other times where if he just kept his mouth shut or stopped gloating whether his plan would have worked. Certainly the graveyard scene would also be very different.
I just realized that it probably would have been easy for Hermine to completely erase herself from her parents' memories because as you just pointed out she almost doesn't ever spend vacation time with her parents. However I'm positive that setting up a new life for them was harder part. She's obviously incredibly talented so it probably wouldn't challenge her. She leaves for school when she's 11 and she comes home a few times a year for weeks at a time. Cake walk. I'm sure the photos are much less exciting without her in them. Even more then they showed in the movie.
Another thing you forgot to add is that one of the reasons that Voldemort needed Harry's blood for the resurrection was that the charm didn't protect Harry just from Voldemort's touch, it also protected him from his magic. So if he'd have tried to use magic against Harry without using his blood in the resurrection, it would have ended the same way it began, with the spell backfiring and reducing Voldemort to a shadow, and possibly killing several of his death eaters in the process. Recall the way the Potter's house was destroyed.
Interesting theory. I like it. I always thought that the time for the ritual to take place was important and that Harry needed to be stressed and in mortal peril for the months leading up to the ritual for it to be its most potent.
I still prefer your original theory of Voldemort’s plan during the goblet of fire that has Peter come back as Harry instead of Voldemort himself but I could also see this being his plan too.
Expanding further, if crouch didn't or couldn't risk straight up kidnapping Harry earlier in the year... He could have just used a different portkey to get him to the graveyard at any point. "Here you go class, here's your homework." Or, "Hey Potter, hand me that pen."
If Voldemort would disguise himself as Harry upon coming back, then he wouldn't have needed the maze assingment at all and he could have done it at any moment. Also, the moment Harry's name came out of the Goblet of Fire Dumbledore knew that whatever was happening, Voldemort would be behind it. He would never take Harry's death in the maze at face value.
Voldemort was not strong enough at his revival yet. He wanted to hide and not be discovered. Why would he risk being Harry personally? He'd get someone else to do it.
Bros ive been watching your theories for years now and I swear this one is the most plausible one I’ve heard. I hope hbo’s approached you guys about the hp series ayyy. Xx
While this is a compelling theory, I do prefer your older theory where you explained why the fake Harry would actually be Wormtail. Not only is Wormtail well versed in the everything Gryffindor, he has also spent 3 whole years in the castle with Harry and friends and therefore has a very good understanding of their dynamics, as well as Harry's own idiosyncrasies, which Voldy wouldn't be as good at. Besides, Voldy would have had Barty keeping tabs on fake Harry without exposing himself to the risk of being in Dumbledore's immediate vicinity (given that DD has alwayd suspects him even when he was student). Most importantly, he already has Snape on the inside (according to him) and also with fake Moody, he is essentially risking a lot more by being in the castle.
No idea when y'all started, but it's impressive how you find the simplest of concepts of interest in the series and make a video out of it. I read the first books 20 years ago.
But couldn’t Voldemort have achieved all those things by transporting Harry discreetly early in the year? He was alone with ‘Moody’ in his office multiple times. If the video mentions why it HAD to be the triwizard tournament I missed it 🤷♂️ I guess though the dark lord does himself some pageantry
At 4:16 a great point is brought up, I would love to see a what if scenario where Voldemort somehow obtained and used Dumbledoore’s blood instead of Harry’s. Imagine how strong he’d have been
My interpretation of touch him is ‘lay a finger on him’ which implies harming him in any way. Also the reason I think they chose to wait the whole year is because portkeys are ministry regulated so they should be pretty traceable as u have to register them. Meaning that cup was a portkey to take the victor back to the start of yhe maze but crouch jr just added to it.
Best reasoning I've seen was that the tournament was part of the ritual. Completion of a hero's journey, a gauntlet, ending in summoning his greatest enemy back.
I had forgotten that Hermione had skipped out on nearly all of the Christmas breaks with her parents, and honestly a lot of the time during summer breaks. What is skipped over, is most of the Easter breaks. We know that Harry spend nearly all of his Easter breaks on campus (see Prisoner). But then, he never returned for his sixth or seventh year (which is a different topic), became the head aurora (lacking the credentials...but that is also a different story). I don't think Ms. Granger really liked her parents. Honestly, they were dentists and wouldn't get her teeth straightened. To be honest, I have spent a lot of time in the dentist's chair, and I don't really like them, but then I don't have a dentist for a parent.
I think the reason he specifically waited for the final task was that it was the one day that a portkey was authorised to operate within hogwarts (you ppl theorised before that the original function of the cup was to portkey the winner to the entrance). It was therefore the least suspicious and least trackable way of extracting Harry from Hogwarts
Very good interpretation. I had always wondered why the portkey to the graveyard worked both ways. Excellent work. Please keep up the good work as it’s highly entertaining.
It still seems weird to me that they put in all that effort with the Triwizard tournament. I think that it would've been easier for them if Barty jr made up some elaborate lie abt perhaps sirius or wormtail so that, predictably, harry would rush to say Hogsmeade and leave hermione and ron behind (the lie has to be very specific so that Harry acts without thinking and ron and hermione don't come with him, and also be told to harry shortly before a visit to hogsmeade). The lie also has to include an object in some way that Harry will touch once he's far enough out of everyone's sight and then transport him to the cemetary, where everything unfolds the way Voldemort usually plans. Then Harry-Voldemort takes the portkey back to hogsmeade and continues the lie to hermione and ron, saying that he found something crazy and has to talk to dumbkedore immediately. They find Madeye in the hallway and he takes them to Dumbledore and BAM they have the perfect chance to kill dumbledore and Harry is also dead and then they can take over the rest of the wizarding world. Also something interesting: if Voldemort was really planning to come back as Harry, why did Barty jr ask Harry abt Voldemorts return? You'd think he would believe it was his master who just returned with the cup so wouldn't he have tried to kill dumbledore then and there or at least talk to harry as he would talk to Voldemort?
I don't always read the comments so I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but I totally notice all the "wow, wowwowwowwow" "and other references to Pitch Meetings. Just waiting on a "Super easy, barely an inconvenience!"😁
Pretty sure the sacrificial protection also prevents Voldemort from magically harming him, like it did on the first night. The not being able to touch was just a secondary effect. He (thought he) needed Harry's blood to be able to finally use Avada Kedavra against him without it rebounding. The fact that it made the protection linger even further was an unexpected side effect
One of the possible explanations for Goblet Plot can be DADA Curse. Barty Crouch WAS DADA teacher so curse contrived events so their plan pan out exactly like that so Crouch is outed, Kissed and out of the DADA Professor seat.
I always read "blood of the enemy" as "blood of the person who killed you". Which btw if you consider this either Lily Potter or Voldemort himself then, those are kind of both still in the pot anyway so it works.
There's another reason why it would make sense for him to need Harry's blood. The same protection that keeps Voldemort from touching Harry is what also prevented the killing curse from working. So as far as he knew, if he tried the curse again it would rebound like it did before. So perhaps being able to touch Harry was to test and verify that what he did worked, so that the curse would work too. Little did he know, doing that is what tethered Harry to life. lol
Yessss give me the fanfic where Voldy Potter comes through the maze under the wing of Moody Crouch and watch as the plot thickens. Of course he constantly underestimates Ron and Hermione so it would be hilarious to watch how those two avenge Harry.
I always expected that the intent was to kill Harry and have his body dropped back at Hogwarts during the task... which could have killed him. After all, they blame Cedric's death on the task even with a witness to his murder. The task just gives a plausible reason he might have died without witnesses.
I think part of the reason he wanted Harry's blood even though his plan was to kill him with a projectile attack was just to have extra insurance. If you know your enemy can cause extreme burns just by touching you even if you are a ranged attacker, you still have to factor in that it is still a potential hazard during a duel. You want your enemy to not have any feasible ways of getting the upper hand.
One thing I thought was interesting is that Barty croutch jr only had enough poly juice potion for voldermort to return as Harry and kill Dumbledore. He knew he wouldn’t need any more if everything went to plan
Oh. I got really excited there for a minute. I thought you were finally going to mention why he would use blood instead of hair for the poly juice potion
Great video! As Harry was tied to life via Lily's protection living on in Voldemort's body, I'd love to see a video theorizing what Voldemort would have done with Harry instead, with the knowledge that he couldn't kill him, before disguising as Harry. I also think Voldemort wanted to be able to touch Harry because it would have been a significant murder (if it were possible), and physical contact might have been required to make Horcruxes out of a victim. And I think he didn't want to have any kind of weakness in not being able to even touch his enemy, dead or alive.
This seems really similar to a "what if" video you guys already did. I was hoping for a prebooks through all 7 books breakdown of how Voldemort intended to win the war
I like this theory better than your last one. Voldy also refers to Cedric as a "spare" could mean that if one of the other wizards won he could use them to get to dumbledore. It sounds like Harry was more of a tool to get to dumbledore as opposed to the target. Revenge would have just been icing on the cake.
Voldemort just really cares about Harry education he did want to be teacher after all
Such a great man, even without a nose
😂 honestly if i was a dark wizard and I knew that a baby was born that would one day defeat me I wouldn't try to kill him, I would raise him to be stronger and even more evil than I am and plant a fake prophecy saying that I must be resurrected before he could truly be king. That way I either get brought back or the boy goes crazy trying
@@Tyche-LoveMakes sense
Always thought the big man's sense of drama went seriously under the radar, let him cook
@@Tyche-Lovethis idea is BRILLIANT
I think you're misinterpreting the "can't touch Harry" thing. Voldemort couldn't have touched him, cursed him, killed him, cause the sacrificial protection lingered on with Harry way past Lily's death. If Voldemort used another's blood, then if he tried to kill Harry again, he'd be blasted back into the ghost-like state from the end of Philosopher's Stone. Because why should Lily's sacrifice only work once to save Harry from Voldemort in particular? What would've changed from Halloween '81, that could've allowed Voldemort's curse to hit and work? The whole point of taking Harry's blood into himself was supposed to allow him to finish his quest from 13 years prior, and being able to touch Harry was one of the symptoms of Voldemort sneaking past the sacrificial protection.
Exactly.
+1
i agree. voldemort touching him was a test to make sure the blood worked before he attempted to kill him again (which he does right after)
It turned out Voldy's only win condition was to take someone else's blood then wait for Harry to turn 18 so that his mom's protection wore off
@@bignems314 Harry's mother's protection was separate from the spell Dumbledore cast to keep him safe at his aunt's It also involved blood, but it was the blood connection between him and Petunia. That protection is what ended when he turned 17. His mother's protection was much stronger, as it didn't need a spell to work; it was her sacrifice.
Did you guys ever notice, that a LOT of Rons predictions (aka divination homework, "mock" predictions in lessons) come true? Harry working for the ministry? Yep. Ron drowning and Harry getting betrayed by someone he trusts? All in fourth year. Ron joking about Tom Riddle getting his award for "taking care" of Myrtle? Yeah.. turns out he DID. The list goes on.
Maybe Ron should have taken the class more seriously after all.
[Edit: The Tom Riddle-Note]
There is a video on this on this channel.
@@Sitwayen Yep, there is. A lot of the predictions from everyone came true in some form or another.
Alright then. Time to watch my way through all the old videos again :)
@@Sitwayen do you happen to know the title? I went looking and can't find one where the title is obvious (e.g. ron's predictions come true type of title)
@@MissJoyce88 Trelawney's Actually Always Right.
This is a really good way to think about writing villains in general. Most of us writers usually start by having a plan for the novel that features the hero's plan but doing a good solid outline of the villain's plan makes the story come to life.
Yeah you've got the know the villain's full plan in detail before the protagonist can spoil the fun otherwise it just wouldn't make sense.
I think this especially makes sense if you keep in mind that most villains are the heroes of their own stories. If, in this case, JK worked through Tom Riddle's heroes journey, it would explain why he doesn't feel two dimensional.
This theory has been discussed before, I’m sure of it. By Ben, I think? At the time, he said that it was Pettigrew who would come back as Harry. He has the best chance to potentially fool Ron and Hermione as he has been monitoring them for the entire time they know each other basically. Voldy would be outside Hogwarts executing his various plans and BCjr and PP would be his eyes and ears inside Hogwarts. Book 6 plan would then become a Book 5 one (He would no longer care about the prophecy since Harry is dead) and Book 6 would be his grand reveal and ministry takeover.
I'm pretty sure they had this same theory in a video talking about why the portkey in the maze went both ways
I like this version better though, I think Voldemort has a much much better chance of fooling them as he's pretty much the world's greatest ligilimens
@@samstromberg5593 I think it was all the same theory, just used to explain different things
Yeah I knew this a familiar conversation.
@@elilitzinger6571 Admittedly the only thing I can think of is the one listed in the original comment, that in the original they had Wormtail return to Hogwarts instead of Voldemort
I Am So Glad That Voldemort Gives Harry A Year To Prepare For His Inevitable Attack, How Kind And Considerate Of Him
why is a dark lord, concerned with world domination....... is instead focusing on a middle school.............
@@kool4209because the child of prophecy attends the school maybe
@@easybrom5243 prophecy doesn’t happen unless V picks one to be his equal………
Voldy is so kind.
You guys never seem to run out of Harry Potter material, and I’m here for all of it. Great video!
They’ve uploaded this before
That was a good theory^^
@@eomoran It wasn't QUITE the same though, there were some (at least one) minor change that I actually like way better in this one
@@eomoran😊
Yessss.
I think the ability to touch Harry was not to boost his offensive capability, but to make sure Harry couldn't use the "bum rush Voldemort even without a wand and kill Voldy by burning his face off just by touching him with his bare hands" maneuver like he mortally wounded Quirrelmort with
If we're going with the (somewhat inconsistent) movie Polyjuice Potion rules then you have a Voldemort disguised as Harry coming back from the task that still sounds like Voldemort. Just imagine that conversation with Dumbledore.
He wouldnt really need to talk. He wouldve simply come back and surprise Dumbledore with an Avada Kedavra attack. Then he would expose himself and claim victory over the wizarding world.
I think the movies only did that to remind the audience that crabbe and goyle are harry and ron. I think in reality the polyjuce potion also changes your vocal cords so that you sound exactly like the person you transformed into.
@@Nico-wg5joExactly: a complete physical change, which is why I don't think that the magic would take into account actual scars or anything that the person had. Only just how they were meant to be physically. But it's all weird, anyway.
@@gorudashiro Then explain Barty loosing his leg and eye when turning into Moody?
SCB actually does a video on how they think Polyjuice works exactly but the short (and not entirely accurate but again it's shorter) answer is that it does take into account scars and injuries - it's an exact physical copy
@ abraham and nico : yes and yes. Its both
1- voldemort wouldnt need to hide for long, at most a couple hours. All he needs is to get alone with dumbledore and a.k. him without witnesses - not for stealth reasons, just so he can control the pace of the chaos, also using the killing curse in front of hundreds of students, even if 90% of them panic, that still leaves about 100 wands instantly raised against you, throwing expelliarmuses, sectum sempras and petrificus totalus. Hes not dumb enough to risk that
2- the polyjuice potion does change your voice in the books, and performs any other physical changes to match what the person looks like currently (scars, missing body parts, pregnant belly, body fat, etc), so as long as he can keep drinking his disguise would be perfect, except for one thing : voldemort does not express or carry himself anything like harry potter, and i feel like dumbledore would quickly see through it, as he has intimate knowledge of both tom riddle and harry potter. However would it be quick enough that he would realize what is actually happening before its too late? I dont know. Thats up for debate. He would probably realize something is wrong with harry in the first minute, but that might make it worse. Dumbledore might react by immediately trying to isolate the 2 of them for some questioning. Which is exactly what voldemort would want.
3 Theories I wanna see
1:MORE CHOSEN ONE NEVILLE
2:What if Draco And Harry Where BESTIES
3:And I don't know what if the Dursleys where nice to Harry(Would that change the story. (Maybe they will spoil him like they did with Dudley, Maybe he is a bully.)
I've come up with a What If that I think would be very interesting. "What If Harry Potter Was A Squib" I really want to see how you flesh out the story.
Would Dumbledore know when he was a baby?
Would he tell the Dursleys?
Would the Dursleys treat Harry better knowing he wasn't magical?
Would Dumbledore still bring Harry to Hogwarts to learn about Magic and teach him to defend himself?
Would Harry still have some of Voldemort's powers such as parseltongue?
Would Harry still get a wand and would his original wand choose him?(Even though he wouldn't be able to use it).
Would it be public knowledge that "The Boy Who Lived" was a squib?
Would Harry still be put in Gryffindor?
Would Filch be kinder to Harry cause they're both squibs?
Would Harry have more Astronomy, Herbology, History of Magic, Care of Magical Creatures, Divination(Maybe?) or Study of Ancient Runes classes instead of classes that involve using magic.
Would Harry be taught how to fight without magic like with a sword, using potions or having pet magical creatures?
Would Harry still go into the chamber of secrets and save Ginny?
Would Harry still runaway from home and call the knight bus or meet Sirius?
Would Harry still need to save Sirius from the Dementors?
Would Harry still be entered into the tri wizard tournament?
Would Voldemort still take Harry's blood and return?
Would Harry be able to save himself and Dudley from the dementors?
Would Harry still be allowed at Hogwarts when Umbridge becomes Headmistress?
Would Dumbledore get Slughorn's memory?
Would anything in The Deathly Hallows be the same?
This is actually not a bad "what if"
I think he's just super extra. He does believe in the magic of certain acts at certain times like Dumbledore
If Harry is a squib, he doesn't go to Hogwarts.
One sentence to find all the answers to this What If...
Squibs can't use magic
@@Martyn_Wolf No, it doesn't. Sure, Harry wouldn't be able to use magic -- but that doesn't mean the prophecy can't work, and if the prophecy still applies then Dumbledore will want Harry at Hogwarts. So Harry will still go to Hogwarts. The real problem with this What If is that there simply isn't enough stuff we know about the magical world to answer a lot of those questions.
I'm pretty sure that he took Harry's blood in order to kill him. Lily's protection would still work. If he tried to kill Harry magically the same would happen as the first time.
Also if Voldemort did the whole thing earlier and didn't manage to kill Dumbledore ok the same night, it would only be a few days of taking polyjuice.
But for real though, Voldemort is like a parent planning vacations - always make sure the kids' exams are done
Hey guys theory idea. In book 5 Dumbledore says he can escape Azkaban but it eould be a waste of time. What's your guys theory on how he would do that?? Love the videos!
My first guess would just be Fawkes. The anti-apparition charms at hogwarts didn't do anything to stop him after all, and i don't see a reason to think that Azkaban is any more phoenix proof.
An easy example is that Dumbledore is an incredibly powerful user of wandless magic. So taking his wand would be pointless.
nah bro i need a whole @SCB series where voldy kills harry and pretends to be him from hp4 to hp7 then hp comes back in the end somehow, since dumby is avoiding harry to avoid voldy it would be convenient and funny
i just thought about snape , it doesn't work 😭
but sure i believes the could fool everyone else
I really think that “blood of the enemy” meant mortal enemy, prohecized enemy, main downfall enemy.
Yes i tought the same, its not who think of Voldy as their Enemy but who he sees as his Enemy and that is Harry in this Case.
This is certainly how Voldemort seems to interpret the ritual. But he is also always narcissistic in his views of the world. Though much in magic seems to be vague, which either means there are multiple ways of achieving the same magical ends, or just an overwhelming number of ways to fail at any given magical endeavor. The latter seems more likely for something like a potion though. Afterall, stirring the wrong number of times, or in the wrong direction can ruin your whole potion. And I thought baking was finicky; potions are the worst.
I disagree, because of how specific that is. Is there an existing ritual in world to bring someone back from death using the blood of a prophesied enemy? Has this situation actually come up before? If not did Peter make the ritual? I don't think he'd have the magical prowess to manage that, Crouch was busy with other things and Voldemort wasn't physically able to spellcraft at the time. Personally I think it's much more likely that the ritual works with anyone considered an enemy.
The fact that you can say "... the secret chamber under the school - no, not that one" is both hilarious and alarming (it should be at least)
Hasn't this theory been done before? I swear you guys have talked about the reason the portkey goes back to Hogwarts was because it was a part of the plan to have a fake Harry return after he killed him. Or do I have Deja Vu?
Edit: It wasn't Deja Vu. Ben did the episode 5 years ago called "Harry Potter Theory: Voldemort’s FULL Tri-Wizard Cup Plan!"
I was wondering this too. It seemed like a re-upload I had seen before.
Same here.... I thought I am having Deja Vu 😅
I always interpreted "i can touch you now" as 'i can harm you now', as referencing the ancient sacrificial magic that Lilly used. I believe that until Harry became an adult, he was protected from any lethal harm due to this his mothers' sacrifice. Meaning there wasn't anyone who could possibly kill or even attempt to kill Harry without triggering the protective magic in form of help, burning to a crisp, or any random event, the spell is a certain plot armor to save the day. With Harry's blood, he believed the spell would refuse to act, which was Voldemort's plan all along. He didn't just want to be the one who killed Harry for his reputation, he could have easily challenged and kill anyone who did the deed for him, but he knew he'd be the only one who would be capable of doing so.
As for the polyjuice to get back to Hogwarts, i doubt it. There is no way Dumbledore wouldn't realise it the second he saw Voldemort impersonating Harry, especially with the heads up he got from Snape. Then on top of that there is the issue of what wand to use. We know from the Deadly Hallows that the elder wand refused Voldemort but accepted Harry, so wands CAN distinguish between their users even if the same blood is present. Meaning Harry's (very loyal) wand would most likely refuse Voldemort (i doubt the twin core means they can use eachothers wands). And without Harry's wand, there would not be fooling anyone, especially when he returns from the maze with not only a different wand, but a wand from a registered death-eater. Given the significance of Voldemort's terror, i would imagine those wands in particular are infamous among the entire wizarding community and raising all alarm bells.
While the idea of Voldy wanting to pose as Harry is interesting, and probably true, you seem to forget that on that fateful night when he fell the first time, he probably did not try to touch Harry, the spell still bounced. So if he did not get Harry's blood, Lillys protection might well have protected him from Avada Kedavra again. We (and Voldemort) cannot be certain that he could kill Harry if he does not use Harry's blood to return. just my 2 cents
*Video idea:* What if Hagrid was sent to Azkaban after the FIRST time the Chamber of Secrets was opened?
Any SCB video about someone's "master plan" is always top tier
I read a fic (2:05 ) that explained that the ritual Voldyshorts was using required the blood of his enemy forcibly taken after 9 months of extreme stress/danger. So basically, Harry had to be in the tournament, or he wouldn't have been stressed enough for the ritual.
The fanfic also added that the ritual required everything to be steeped in the amniotic fluid of a pregnant lady.
so you have mother, father, and then a few bonus things just for you.
The ritual is meant to be a rebirth, so it mirroring the actual pregnancy process makes sense.
@@thevoidismyhome7242 do you remember the title? that fic sounds interesting, i'd read it
I thought it was more likely that Voldemort wanted it to look like Harry simply died in the maze. He and his followers would know that Voldemort did it, and aside from Dumbledore, the rest of the wizarding world would believe that Harry simply died in the maze.
I was thinking the same thing...Usually the most simple reasoning is the most accurate one, and you see this in how the Daily Prophet attributed Cedric's death to a terrible accident during the tournament. It would have been covered the same way, allowing Voldy to gain power in the shadows.
Yeah he could of even blamed it on Krum, Barty still had him under the Imprius curse and Barty could of made Krum say that he got caught up in the moment and wanted to win so badly that without thinking he used the killing curse on Harry just as Harry was grabbing the cup
If the whole thing was meant to be a one night thing, why not have “ Moody” call Harry to his office for tea, to share a book like with Neville or whatever way earlier in the year and make the teacup or something a Portkey? Voldemort comes back way sooner.
You ever get the feeling that sometimes SCB are looking deep into the lore and interpreting the text as intended, and sometimes they're just writing the story themselves to fill in plot holes? This is the 2nd one.
Yeah this was definitely not a good take. It's not that hard to understand that "being able to touch harry" was a way to explain that he now could kill him, and not just touch him. These guys are smart enough to know that so this was more just a fanfic
As a huge fan of the dumbledore's big plan I'm very excited to watch this one
This would explain Barty Crouch Jrs. Conversation with him. Its possible when he asked “what was he like?” and “were there others in the graveyard?”, he actually thinks its another death eater in disguise. Only when Harry responds does he then realize that the real Harry Potter returned.
I thought that only happened in the movies? It's super weird in the movies, because in those he's already been meeting with Voldemort for a while already. In the books the time between his escape, recovery, replacement pf Mad-Eye all happen really quickly. Like it feels like only a week or less, where Arthur Weasley mentions having to help Mad-Eye (assuming that's when it happened) and then they start school right away.
I always thought Polyjuice potion would need a living host. Wasn't that the reason why Barty kept Moody alive (and also to keep fresh hair available for his next drink)
I was looking for this comment because Voldemort would only be able to pose as Harry for the time limit and then would be in a tough position of getting out of Hogwarts undetected 😂
This one is an open question, though I lean more towards it not being the case. I think the reason Moody was kept alive was because they needed Barty Jr. to pose as him for an extended period of time and they couldn't risk running out of hair (or any other body part).
I think the only reason it took all year was because the potion needed to brew. It seems like the more complicated the potion, the longer it takes to make (polyjuice potion takes a month and Felix Felices takes six), and this was one Voldemort invented himself and was designed to bring back someone from ghost form. I still believe that the plan in the book was overly complicated. With Barty Crouch Jr. as a teacher, all that he would need to do is ask Harry to come to his office, ask him to pass over a book on the desk, and poof. The same results as the trophy. Even if Voldemort didn't know how close Harry and Dumbledore were, he could have used Barty Jr. to bring volderharry to Dumbledore's office on some made up pretext. So the access would have been the same, you would arguably have more privacy in nearly every step to pull it off, and there are fewer things that could go wrong. So I would argue that the real reason the plan took so long is because the potion needed to brew, and having Harry in the games at best provided a nice distraction for Harry and Dumbledore to keep them from looking too closely at Barty Jr.'s different behavior from the real Mad Eye, or from potentially discovering Wormtail brewing the potion.
Also the resurrection thing Voldemort was using asked for “Blood of enemy forcibly taken” so easily they could’ve done that at any point of the year and since Voldemort didn’t want anyone know he’s back, Harry not knowing helps quite a lot
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This is such a good one! I have ALWAYS wondered why his plan was so insane
Lets not forget that Lilly's protection already protected Harry from Voldemort's magic before (kinda how Voldy died in the first place) so if he tried to personally kill Harry without being able to bypass the protection and "touch" him, there's a good chance it would have failed again.
Taking Harry's blood was probably necessary to magicaly kill him as well as physically touch him.
Voldemort really cares about harrys education, 2 of bros death eaters taught him his signature spell (snape)and was arguably the best DADA teacher during harrys time at hogwarts(barty jr/mad eye)
I paused watching a J vs Ben video now to watch this new video. Your HP videos are my place of comfort 😊
The first time I read Goblet of Fire I thought there must have been an easier way to get Harry. I knew from the start of the tournament that they wanted to capture Harry alive.
Hold up!!! Your theory doesn’t hold up because if he kills Harry he cannot use the potion. Thats the only reason Mad eye was kept alive
It still doesn't make a whole lot of sense though. As you said; "Moody" could have kidnapped Harry at any point. There was no need to for the Tournament at all. Set up an extra homework assignment as a portkey to take Harry from Moody's office to Voldemort in Crouch's house. There was no reason to have to set things up in the graveyard. Did the spell specifically say the bone had to be fresh plucked from the grave that minute? It could all still have been done at any point during the year.
"Harry. Glad you could come talk to me in my office during, I dunno, dinner or something. CONSTANT VIGILANCE! Also hold this book for me for a second."
Harry gets teleported, blood, bone, etc. Polyjuice the Nose-less wonder, back before dessert.
"Oh, Professor Dumbledore. Can I just tell you something? AVADA KADAVRA!"
Have you done a video on if Lily and James hadn’t been betrayed by Peter and not been killed by Voldemort that night, would he still have been successful later on or would the Order and Dumbledore defeated him back then?
The better Harry seems the more credit people will give to old Moldywort for killing him. He's not a "kid" age 14, he's a Tri-Wizard Champion, powerful and smart! A force to be reckoned with!
I think one thing you didn't consider is how polyjuice potions work. They take a month to brew and last an hour (I looked at the wiki to double check, and the wiki says it lasts 10 minutes to 12 hours depending how well it's brewed, but I swear the book just said it lasts an hour) and the part added has to come from someone still alive. So even if he had the potion all ready and just needed to add something from Harry to finish it, it's going to last for a limited time if he killed Harry.
Also also, actually actually - there must have been a small contingent of Death Eaters still hoping Harry would fill the role of Dark Lord. So Voldemort becoming Harry could have doubled as a ploy to find these "traitors" or else to help unite the two sides of his followers.
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I just finished the second HP movie, and it has been a while since I read the books, but I began wondering whether a good video could be "How many times did Voldemort ruin his own plan".
Because in the Chamber of secrets, he mentions how much grief a little book can cause which Harry then realizes, ah destroy the book. And it got me thinking if he hadn't written the message about Ginny's corpse will never be found, then Harry and Ron might not have looked for the Chamber at that exact moment.
And as HP experts, I was wondering if you had found other times where if he just kept his mouth shut or stopped gloating whether his plan would have worked. Certainly the graveyard scene would also be very different.
I've been this exact point for years. Moody/Crouch just had to grab Harry's arm in Hogsmeade and disapparate to the graveyard. Mission accomplished.
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I just realized that it probably would have been easy for Hermine to completely erase herself from her parents' memories because as you just pointed out she almost doesn't ever spend vacation time with her parents. However I'm positive that setting up a new life for them was harder part. She's obviously incredibly talented so it probably wouldn't challenge her. She leaves for school when she's 11 and she comes home a few times a year for weeks at a time. Cake walk. I'm sure the photos are much less exciting without her in them. Even more then they showed in the movie.
Another thing you forgot to add is that one of the reasons that Voldemort needed Harry's blood for the resurrection was that the charm didn't protect Harry just from Voldemort's touch, it also protected him from his magic. So if he'd have tried to use magic against Harry without using his blood in the resurrection, it would have ended the same way it began, with the spell backfiring and reducing Voldemort to a shadow, and possibly killing several of his death eaters in the process. Recall the way the Potter's house was destroyed.
Interesting theory. I like it. I always thought that the time for the ritual to take place was important and that Harry needed to be stressed and in mortal peril for the months leading up to the ritual for it to be its most potent.
I still prefer your original theory of Voldemort’s plan during the goblet of fire that has Peter come back as Harry instead of Voldemort himself but I could also see this being his plan too.
Expanding further, if crouch didn't or couldn't risk straight up kidnapping Harry earlier in the year... He could have just used a different portkey to get him to the graveyard at any point. "Here you go class, here's your homework." Or, "Hey Potter, hand me that pen."
you should do a what if voldemort/quirell got the stone before hagrid in the first book. that would change a lot.
Wouldnt it take a while to make the polyjuice potion ?
Live Kahoot quiz when?
If Voldemort could transform into the dead Harry with the polyjuice potion, Crouch Jr wouldn't have needed to keep Moody alive the whole year.
If Voldemort would disguise himself as Harry upon coming back, then he wouldn't have needed the maze assingment at all and he could have done it at any moment. Also, the moment Harry's name came out of the Goblet of Fire Dumbledore knew that whatever was happening, Voldemort would be behind it. He would never take Harry's death in the maze at face value.
If you Keep inserting the voldi laugh into every video I WILL need therapy 😂
Voldemort was not strong enough at his revival yet. He wanted to hide and not be discovered. Why would he risk being Harry personally? He'd get someone else to do it.
Bros ive been watching your theories for years now and I swear this one is the most plausible one I’ve heard. I hope hbo’s approached you guys about the hp series ayyy. Xx
While this is a compelling theory, I do prefer your older theory where you explained why the fake Harry would actually be Wormtail. Not only is Wormtail well versed in the everything Gryffindor, he has also spent 3 whole years in the castle with Harry and friends and therefore has a very good understanding of their dynamics, as well as Harry's own idiosyncrasies, which Voldy wouldn't be as good at. Besides, Voldy would have had Barty keeping tabs on fake Harry without exposing himself to the risk of being in Dumbledore's immediate vicinity (given that DD has alwayd suspects him even when he was student). Most importantly, he already has Snape on the inside (according to him) and also with fake Moody, he is essentially risking a lot more by being in the castle.
had no idea i needed this in my life today. ty!!!
Day 1 of asking what if cedric actually defeated peter in the graveyard
No idea when y'all started, but it's impressive how you find the simplest of concepts of interest in the series and make a video out of it.
I read the first books 20 years ago.
That would be a fun what if, what if Harry was quick enough to think of just offering his blood in this part like what would Voldie do?
Your continued videos on Harry Potter theories feeds the hole in my soul thank you and don’t ever change.
But couldn’t Voldemort have achieved all those things by transporting Harry discreetly early in the year? He was alone with ‘Moody’ in his office multiple times. If the video mentions why it HAD to be the triwizard tournament I missed it 🤷♂️ I guess though the dark lord does himself some pageantry
At 4:16 a great point is brought up, I would love to see a what if scenario where Voldemort somehow obtained and used Dumbledoore’s blood instead of Harry’s. Imagine how strong he’d have been
I love watching your videos.
How you go into SO MUCH DETAIL. I absolutely an amazed.
Hope you all have a magical day.😁
My interpretation of touch him is ‘lay a finger on him’ which implies harming him in any way. Also the reason I think they chose to wait the whole year is because portkeys are ministry regulated so they should be pretty traceable as u have to register them. Meaning that cup was a portkey to take the victor back to the start of yhe maze but crouch jr just added to it.
Best reasoning I've seen was that the tournament was part of the ritual. Completion of a hero's journey, a gauntlet, ending in summoning his greatest enemy back.
I would love to read an AU story of Voldemort masquerading as Harry
I had forgotten that Hermione had skipped out on nearly all of the Christmas breaks with her parents, and honestly a lot of the time during summer breaks. What is skipped over, is most of the Easter breaks. We know that Harry spend nearly all of his Easter breaks on campus (see Prisoner). But then, he never returned for his sixth or seventh year (which is a different topic), became the head aurora (lacking the credentials...but that is also a different story). I don't think Ms. Granger really liked her parents. Honestly, they were dentists and wouldn't get her teeth straightened. To be honest, I have spent a lot of time in the dentist's chair, and I don't really like them, but then I don't have a dentist for a parent.
"are my allergies acting up? No its just Voldemort" i want that and other seasonal jokes about Voldy attacking 😂
I think the reason he specifically waited for the final task was that it was the one day that a portkey was authorised to operate within hogwarts (you ppl theorised before that the original function of the cup was to portkey the winner to the entrance). It was therefore the least suspicious and least trackable way of extracting Harry from Hogwarts
Voldemort would be so much more appropriate if he was an evil student.
That way it makes sense why he couldn’t take over the school.
Very good interpretation. I had always wondered why the portkey to the graveyard worked both ways. Excellent work. Please keep up the good work as it’s highly entertaining.
It still seems weird to me that they put in all that effort with the Triwizard tournament. I think that it would've been easier for them if Barty jr made up some elaborate lie abt perhaps sirius or wormtail so that, predictably, harry would rush to say Hogsmeade and leave hermione and ron behind (the lie has to be very specific so that Harry acts without thinking and ron and hermione don't come with him, and also be told to harry shortly before a visit to hogsmeade). The lie also has to include an object in some way that Harry will touch once he's far enough out of everyone's sight and then transport him to the cemetary, where everything unfolds the way Voldemort usually plans. Then Harry-Voldemort takes the portkey back to hogsmeade and continues the lie to hermione and ron, saying that he found something crazy and has to talk to dumbkedore immediately. They find Madeye in the hallway and he takes them to Dumbledore and BAM they have the perfect chance to kill dumbledore and Harry is also dead and then they can take over the rest of the wizarding world.
Also something interesting: if Voldemort was really planning to come back as Harry, why did Barty jr ask Harry abt Voldemorts return? You'd think he would believe it was his master who just returned with the cup so wouldn't he have tried to kill dumbledore then and there or at least talk to harry as he would talk to Voldemort?
I don't always read the comments so I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but I totally notice all the "wow, wowwowwowwow" "and other references to Pitch Meetings. Just waiting on a "Super easy, barely an inconvenience!"😁
"Why was the plan so convoluted?" "Plot device, Mr. Frodo, plot device!"
Pretty sure the sacrificial protection also prevents Voldemort from magically harming him, like it did on the first night. The not being able to touch was just a secondary effect. He (thought he) needed Harry's blood to be able to finally use Avada Kedavra against him without it rebounding. The fact that it made the protection linger even further was an unexpected side effect
One of the possible explanations for Goblet Plot can be DADA Curse.
Barty Crouch WAS DADA teacher so curse contrived events so their plan pan out exactly like that so Crouch is outed, Kissed and out of the DADA Professor seat.
Would love to see yall do the inheritance cycle theory or stuff around it
Lupin was preoccupied for sure
3:52 is a lot reminds me of that one you did where Cedric wants to give his blood.
Can I get that "whoopsie" @4:25 into a year end 2023 Carlin brothers compilation.
I always read "blood of the enemy" as "blood of the person who killed you". Which btw if you consider this either Lily Potter or Voldemort himself then, those are kind of both still in the pot anyway so it works.
There's another reason why it would make sense for him to need Harry's blood. The same protection that keeps Voldemort from touching Harry is what also prevented the killing curse from working. So as far as he knew, if he tried the curse again it would rebound like it did before. So perhaps being able to touch Harry was to test and verify that what he did worked, so that the curse would work too.
Little did he know, doing that is what tethered Harry to life. lol
Yessss give me the fanfic where Voldy Potter comes through the maze under the wing of Moody Crouch and watch as the plot thickens. Of course he constantly underestimates Ron and Hermione so it would be hilarious to watch how those two avenge Harry.
I always expected that the intent was to kill Harry and have his body dropped back at Hogwarts during the task... which could have killed him. After all, they blame Cedric's death on the task even with a witness to his murder. The task just gives a plausible reason he might have died without witnesses.
I think it makes more sense that the maze is a cover for Harry's death and the portkey sends Harry's dead body back to the maze to be found 12:50
I think part of the reason he wanted Harry's blood even though his plan was to kill him with a projectile attack was just to have extra insurance. If you know your enemy can cause extreme burns just by touching you even if you are a ranged attacker, you still have to factor in that it is still a potential hazard during a duel. You want your enemy to not have any feasible ways of getting the upper hand.
One thing I thought was interesting is that Barty croutch jr only had enough poly juice potion for voldermort to return as Harry and kill Dumbledore. He knew he wouldn’t need any more if everything went to plan
Oh. I got really excited there for a minute. I thought you were finally going to mention why he would use blood instead of hair for the poly juice potion
Great video! As Harry was tied to life via Lily's protection living on in Voldemort's body, I'd love to see a video theorizing what Voldemort would have done with Harry instead, with the knowledge that he couldn't kill him, before disguising as Harry. I also think Voldemort wanted to be able to touch Harry because it would have been a significant murder (if it were possible), and physical contact might have been required to make Horcruxes out of a victim. And I think he didn't want to have any kind of weakness in not being able to even touch his enemy, dead or alive.
It's crazy how quickly I click the bros videos 😂 thanks for a perfect way to end the day
This intro and all its punchlines had me laughing like a fool in my car on my commute. Thank you J. Made my hour go by happily
"Are your allergies acting up? NOPE, it's just Voldemort" I laughed too hard at that!
This seems really similar to a "what if" video you guys already did. I was hoping for a prebooks through all 7 books breakdown of how Voldemort intended to win the war
I like this theory better than your last one. Voldy also refers to Cedric as a "spare" could mean that if one of the other wizards won he could use them to get to dumbledore. It sounds like Harry was more of a tool to get to dumbledore as opposed to the target. Revenge would have just been icing on the cake.