Homemade Horse Drawn Wagon Needs Wagon Wheel Fitment | Engels Coach
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- An original wagon is not the same as a traditional wagon. Sometimes knowing the signs of a traditional wagon, versus a homemade wagon, can save some frustrations of owning a wagon that doesn't function correctly, or maybe isn't even safe.
I taught aircraft maintenance for years. That philosophy of "Know the original to recognize when it's not right" was one of the things I tried to emphasize.
You were paid in washers for this job... ;) A world of difference between your approach and whomever installed all of those washers.
Just by removing the shims you made that wagon at least 65 pounds lighter sir.
Thank you once again for allowing us into you shop to watch.
It looks a lot like what you find digging into an old house. Lots of master craftsmen and quite a few more wood butchers have had their hands on those structures. Likewise the level of repair has to be gauged to the client's budget and the demands of safety. Sometimes that's a razor's edge to balance on. Thanks once again, Dave, for letting us watch.
I met an organ repairmen once in his shop, in Hot Springs, Arkansas... and he was showing me something much the same. He showed how that "leather" was the fix for the organs valves, that it wore better; and thus gave a more lasting and consistent sound, as well as years of ware. Much like the leather washers on your axles... simple yet perfect solution! Thanks for sharing!
A treat. Stumbling in a missed video!
It's the traditional craftsmanship that you put into your work that makes your site so interesting. It's nice to see that you are able to describe and show the difference. That's what keeps me checking for the next video each Friday.
I saw once someone who claimed to be a Medieval machine "specialist" who was attempting to recreate a ancient wooden crane. He used rope and grease as a horizontal bearing. It failed gloriously and for some reason he wasn't on the rest of the series. I would have thought the same with leather, but then again it compresses less then hemp and you're using it as a vertical bearing, which means not that much pressure will be involved. In this application its both a spacer and a seal. Not to mention it absorbs grease on one side and digs into the nut on the other.
I'm always impressed by the tools you have in your shop, never mind knowing how to use them.
Omg what the farmer didn't think that if it kept that way it won't break? How can people please with there life's?
God bless you Dave. May your year be longer and you keep getting stronger to keep helping this farmers. I just how the day you are not able to work you have showed someone to fix these wagon's just like you do with lots of love.
You sir are a man with integrity , honesty and pride along with many talents , your willing need to share is a great influence to those who wish to learn and just basically do things as proper and correct as possible , you don't learn if you don't try , and as you said the wagons are your teacher , that goes along with anything , if you pay attention to the details , you then learn to what needs to be done to try your best to make it right and safe as possible . After all your name is only as good as your last customers word of praise for looking after thier needs , but you sir are a master of many trades and a teacher of just that to those in need of great advice and attention to the details that show Tru craftsmanship .
Thanks for your willingness to share !
I like your comment of how the wagons are your teacher - the original pieces. I find it so simple - study the past to fit the present. Something some forget about. You sir keep reminding us that. Continue to do so with your work. Thank you for keeping it real and bringing us along that path.
Mr. Engel, You sir are a master and a genius. The washers were probably worth just about as much as the wagon lol. Thanks again for sharing.
Remarkable- Knowing (now) that you're "self-taught" is amazing as well. These videos are a wonderful watch. Thank you again for taking the time to create these and your narrations and monologues are both informative and entertaining. I've chuckled a few times at the comments; "someone needs to learn how to weld".
Just no replacement for experience. 👍🏼
Thank you for sharing some of your philosophy on these "cans of worms" type projects. I sometimes run into surprises like these in my player piano restoration work. It's never boring, at least!
yeah I run into these kinds of projects occasionally and I always end up biting off more than I can chew. it's good to see how a pro deals with it.
I caught an episode on Gunsmoke where when they had no axle grease, and a passenger said "Use cheese", LOL - I guess that meant because of the oil.
Its amazing how many times they lost a wheel, and at times fit a drag stick. Amazing to see what were probable realities.
@@EngelsCoachShop LOL. Double-stick gurney-type fabrucations also show up behind horses (I hoped they got the digestion timing in mind).
Hope you had a great 4th Dave. Blessings to you and your family.
Thank you for another great video! I was with my family today at Mackinac Island they have a carriage museum I was able to appreciate what I was seeing because of your channel Thanks again.
Had to smile! After watching you work on the borax wagons for so long, when you got on the creeper to get under such a small wagon it looked like a jinky toy.
Yesiree….have washers we'll travel. Likely that wagon has a few hard miles on it and even harder miles with the many hands that have maintained and/or fixed it. Those axles sure are shortcut repairs. Must have done all of that fabrication while on the trail !! Got it home and never minded it ever since. Thanks for sharing this one Mr. E.
Dave, I always enjoy checking in to see what you're working on. Say hello to Dianne.
Hi Gil!
i love this channel, you learn stuff that can be used anywhere...
I'll say... I had a wheel fall off of my 2007 Honda Civic. I'll be reinstalling that bad boy with leather washers for sure!
I sure enjoy your videos, id like to see a video on terminology, construction and why axles are tapered why they point down etc., keep up the great work.
That would be great. A chalkboard presentation of shorter, targeted videos highlighting different parts of wagons, how and why they differ, etc.
Once saw an episode of Wheeler Dealers (with Mike Brewster (?) and Ed China) where they had a wooden spoke wheel fabricated for an old automobile. It was very interesting to see the abbreviated process and the excellent finished wheel.
Great example of how "bodgey" jobs always end up with the expert to set right. Used to come across similar issues when I was working as a master mechanic many moons ago. Thanks for sharing.
Watching your videos directly from Sao Paulo - Brazil. I have a great deal of admiration for the work he does, and in some ways perpetuates the mode of transportation that drove this nation. I am 77 years old and receive my compliments. Fraternal hug.
Highlight of my Friday...watching and learning from the master! God bless always, Dave.
My hometown had a major wagon company called Owensboro Wagon Company. The wagon factory and forging mill where the brackets were made was demolished which left the residents pretty upset since they were historical.
We had a wagon with a lot of wear that they had put several steel washers on the hubs with hickory wood washer on top behind the square nuts. My grandad replaced the wood washers with heavy leather and greased everything well. We used the wagon to haul dry corn ears in from the fields wagon was 4 ft. Wide and close to 12 ft long with a shortened toung we pulled it with a tractor.
Interesting look at a modern make do wagon. I kept thinking, what would i have done (making the wagon). And I've found out that i could possibly know a counterfeit wagon from a traditional wagon, but i think 'my wagon' had better be for display only. Really interesting topic Mr. Engles!
Oh my goodness :). If I had not been watching you for awhile I would not of had a clue this wagon was "home made" but I have and I so love your quality.... The world has all kinds :).
Really enjoyed watching your video 'it was very informative 'in an age when we drive the modern car; its nice to see repairs on a form of transportation from a bygone era 👍🏼
I learned lots thanks to this video, thanks
Greetings from Johannesburg, South Africa. Find your videos fascinating!
Thankyou Dave, lovely end to my winters afternoon.
Well, it looks like your washer inventory is fully restocked.
Now that I watched it, I got the meaning. When I first saw the leather washers, I was thinking they were what you meant. Its good to wait to the end of a story.
Once Again, THANKS, Mr. Dave!!! It's all good and it's all enjoyable!
1 1/2 threads short of a full nut... says it all!
The leather washers! :-) Thanks once more Dave for the lesson.
You are right, Dave....I have followed along long enough to be able to spot a fake. It looks good from far, but it's far from good. Sometimes one just has to do the best they can with what they got to work with....even if it isn't how you would really like to see it done. I deal with that on the ranch all the time. Good job on putting it back together as close to right as you could.
I hate fixing somebody else's crappy welding. I am sure they were trying to save a dollar by doing it themselves but it usually costs them a lot more for me to fix their mistakes than it would have if they would have just brought me the part in the first place.
What a contrast to last week's grand finale!
Dear Mr Engels thanks again for the look over your shoulders as i sayed ones you give me a hole new arication or my gandfathers job. Happy independenc day and great weekend sincerly yours Dipl. Ing. Axel Brinkmann
Repaired before the Internet. Can't really blame whoever fixed it, they did the best they could with the knowledge, tools, and materials they had. Wasn't like you could look up a wheelwright in the yellow pages in the 1970's or 1980's.
It is amazing, your job is top of the line and you can find the right word so you can not disrespect anybody even they well deserved, HELLO from chihuahua mexico 👍😁👍 GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
Always a pleasure to watch you're craftsmanship. Thanks for sharing.
I enjoy your videos very much. Thank you for sharing.
They make thread files that might make it a touch easier snap-on has a thread restore kit I enjoy seeing all you do thanks
I learn a lot watching your videos.
Thanks for keeping it real, another great lesson today.
Farmers the same all over the world. Duct tape, steelwire and god faith can repair almost anything and tomorrow i do it better. Nice work man.
Bail'n wire
I'll fix it right when I have time
I definitely want to see that Turkey pulled vehicle.
Found this in the comments higher up: www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM9941
...great info. i imagine back in the day..wagons were home built out of necessity by a variety of smiths...good vid.
Zen like relaxing voice over and as always, very interesting.
THANKS FOR SHARING
thanks for the show. good as always.
YOU JUST ANSWERED ALL OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD ,SO ....
AWESOME VIDEO .I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT YOU GET YOURSELF INTO NEXT WEEK!
GOD BLESS YOU YOUR FAMILY AND HOME
Nicely done Dave! All the shims surely didn't improve much of anything, but I reckon it's about all the former owner(s) had or knew to work with. Do you as a matter of course check the alignment of the axles, so that the wagon goes true down the road, or is that far less of a problem when powered by horses? I keep several thread files in my tool box, just to allow me to straighten and improve maimed threads, finishing them off with a nice little German set of triangle files that I've had for eons. Perhaps the axle threads are of an uncommon shape or configuration? I'm sure the left/right situation brings its own headaches as well.
Good life advice. Thanks... Art
It would be interesting to know how many man hours you put into the Twenty Mule Team wagons; their break down as in the borax wagons' hours of construction and then the water wagon hours. A monumental task, especially for one person. You are to be commended on two accounts. Firstly, for having the skills required and, secondly, for recording the processes and posting them on line. Thank you.
Looks like you used heavy harness leather for the new washers. They should stand up better than "veg tan" or "saddle skirting" due to the wax and oil impregnated harness leather. Great video! I had thought about building a farm or grain wagon. Perhaps some time build a chuck box for it, and switch it with the grain gate if I ever wanted to play cowboy. 😉 I have looked around at various plans, do you know of any hat you would recommend?
thank you very much...From Brazil :)
Always can’t help but wonder someone else’s reasoning for the repair they did and why, was it lack of knowledge and parts, or just plain laziness. I have found a little of both over the last 22 years, and sometimes you just have to make the best lemonade you can. As long as the customer is happy with the results, and you get paid a fair amount for your skill, and labor. I call that a good exchange. Have a good day sir and thanks for sharing!
Though he himself is a clean chap, Mr. Engels doesn't go for washering.
I really enjoy your video's! I have oxen and love to see how these processes are done with the old wagons.
God, I love this channel.
Great video think you for sharing .
Have you thought about becoming a Zen master? Your work and narration has a natural Zen quality.
I am self tought on the things i know how to do.
Thank you ECS, i hope your 4th of July was a joyous one.
Orignal? Reminds me of the old joke of a man who had his Great-Grandfather's original axe, it only had the head replaced twice and the handle five times!
My dad told me the same thing
Hey I loved watching this IL be watching more
Thanks for watching? THANKS FOR POSTING!
I'd guess a set of taper bored press fit bronze or cast iron bushings could have been made so the wheels internal taper properly fits those axle tapers. But like you said it's up to the customer if they'd be willing to pay for that amount of work. Imnsho teaching how to do high quality work and craftsmanship needs to be re-introduced into the school systems and start doing so at an early age. The world would be a much better place.
Interesting using leather as "washers " but was great idea thou. Keep up the good work sir. Looking foward too seeing the next process as always 👍👌👌
Most interesting I may use your technique on modern equipment
Sell all those washers and I bet it would pay for the leather washers, that looked like a pound or more. I am not a welder in any way shape or form but even I know a bad weld and that Sir was a bad weld. Looking forward to the next video.
Hello nice vlog on the old wagon as you say time spent on the wagon might not be worth the overall cost of materials and labour cost very nice job look forward to seeing your repairs or builds as very informative thank you 👍👍
I liked how the wheels are all over the place and dont run true at all. That has to put a lot of stress on the nut as well. The wheel wants to rotated in one path but with the axle preventing it something has to give. I would say that some home jobber, farmer or not, just found an old wagon and did his best to "restore" it to what he thought it should be. People do the same thing with cars. No idea how it goes together properly so they start putting "crimp" connectors everywhere, which are a TEMPORARY fix. Then wonder why the car starts on fire.
@@EngelsCoachShop OH yes!
Seu trabalho sua dedicação pelo que faz é fascinante parabéns pela energia dedicada à suas obras!
meu bisa avo,meu nono,pois era ele um italiano fazia esse trabalho mas eu nunca tinha visto esse trabalho muito bonito.
Its just neat to watch
Interesting. I guess I'd be inclined to classify wagons (or anything) into three categories: traditional/original, not traditional but perfectly good (welding instead of forging, for instance) and "farmer repairs".
I get the impression the two biggest problems with this wagon were that the builder didn't understand how wagons were really supposed to work mechanically, combined with some really bad farmer repairs.
I can kinda forgive the first part, I don't think you can go to the library and find a book on wagon design that includes both design theory and common practice, so you are left to picking it up by guess and try if you don't work on them every day. There probably were such books, once. But some of the things, like those mismatched tapers and obviously bad welds, really bothered me. Even a bad mechanic should have figured out something was wrong.
Turkey ? You built a wagon pulled by a turkey ? COOL ! Any pictures ?
those that can: Weld................Those that can't : Grind
Poor maintenance is pretty traditional... I mean, farmers are known for making do with what they've got.
That is foreshur I know my salf I grow up on a farm and ranch in TEXAS
I wonder how many hours the owner got out of these fixes. I'm guessing he added them one at a time so it must have been a lot of small repairs building up over time 'til he had no more room for extra washers and had to call in the expert.
Hi Dave, I was curious have you ever restored any rail based, horse drawn equipment. I'm currently restoring a coal cart that was mule drawn in Arkansas, another goal of mine is to build a horsecar.
That looks like some of the junk that got cobbled together for the Bicentennial wagon train. Some of that stuff, you couldn't believe it made it so far.
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can not get over how many washers. wow
Nice save, and salvaged washers too. It's not practical to drill a hole through that nut and the spindle for a cotter pin or something heavier?
hay hay hay hay you cant just say turkey puled wagon and move on we need to know more !!!
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Make do and mend as they say in England. Could you tell me please what a wagon like this would cost a farmer to buy back in the day when they were in everyday use? I suppose I’m thinking of the late 1800s, but I don’t know the value of a dollar back then! Thanks. I’m really amazed at the thickness of that leather you used. Did you get it from a ‘used’ elephant or rhino!!!?
The right side of this wagon has some stories to tell.
Nice vid.
I really want to see what the coach for the draught turkeys looks like!
Was the original manufacturer "Cobble and Kluge"? With those tiny brake shoes, there should be an E-brake consisting of a log and line drag anchor.
Nice fix. I think I would have put some blue thread locker on the spindle threads. That way you still don't have to over tighten and they will easily come off in the future if need be.
Wagon pulak uncle baiki.. Jom lihat hingga selesai baiki. Byee
What year do you think this homemade wagon was built? I see that the nuts are square but more modern welding. I'm thinking early 1900's, or perhaps up to WW1.
Your work is perfect, I am honored to learn from your talent and care. Question: Will the restoration be partial or complete? (I love wagon)
The eternal struggle between perfectionism and what the customer is willing to pay for,I know it well.You're probably like me and find it very hard not to fix every little thing you find wrong.There is no telling how much time and money I have lost to that little voice that naggs me into fixing stuff not in the bid.
I've had customers bring stuff in for rebuild and had to tell them that anything I did to it would be LOP (Lipstick On a Pig).Some get offended at first,but honesty is still the best policy and they eventually see it from my perspective.Some will abandon a project ,but others will open their wallet a bit wider and do what needs doing.