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- This is a guide to show you 3 paths to become an engineer in F1.
I will tell you about the unique character of the F1 and university business in the UK.
You will get some insider experiences by a former F1 engineer.
And I will show you alternative ways to fulfill your dream.
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Great video. I'm sure there is hundreds maybe thousands of university students like me watching your videos, learning thing or two and really get into this industry. Your videos are very helpful, and it's even better when you give us a clue how can we make our dreams become real. Thanks for your enourmous effort.
Glad to help!
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@@BSport320 Hey how can I become an F1 wheel gun operator? I don't think it is as complex as engineering but where should I start?
Thanks in advance!
Damn... Not only a very limited field to get into it's extremely expensive. And I thought trying to become a rock star was difficult... 😮
Can you do a video about the best programs that an engineering student needs to learn to enter F1? Great video as always
Good idea, will put in on my list!
@@BSport320 thanks man
omg this is exactly what i was looking for!! thank you so so much!🙏🏻
One extremely important thing to consider that wasn't mentioned in the video. In F1 you WILL be used and abused when it comes to working hours. 100% guaranteed! If you think you will be working 37 or 40 hours a week which is what your contract will state you will be totally shocked when you start. Typical working hours are around 55-60 hours a week and you get nothing in return for the extra hours. I have personal experience of a young naive engineer refusing to work more than the contracted hours and he was literally ejected after a month. Be aware....
Very true, the working hours are long, bank holidays are not automatically free days etc.
But when you think about joining F1, or any other top motorsport category you should expect 50-60h per week.
Huh, I watched this out of curiosity and you nailed it! Went to Brookes for my MSc and got an F1 design job straight out. The one thing I'd have mentioned is that the Formula Student programs at these universities are basically a MUST now, speaking with my department heads at my team its basically a tickbox that they look for on CV's. Plus it gives priceless experience that the university courses can't!
Thanks!
And yes, Formula Student is definitely important, but I did all my Formula Student experience before my master, because there was no time during such a specialized master programme.
hey :) i’m from germany and just graduated from school so now i’m trying to figure out where to start my studies in order to work in f1 one day..
you only went to oxford for your master right? but may i ask you where you did your bachelor?
and did you study general engineering or something more specific?
@alisameyer3804 hi, I went to Oxford Brookes for my MSc in motorsport engineering and did my undergraduate in the states in general mechanical engineering
@@andreifratian3977 thanks for the answer!
Do you know if there is anything else apart from FS and good grades that your department heads in f1 focuse on? Maybe something else that you can recommend doing besides the studies?
@alisameyer3804 absolutely. So obviously this advice is subjective so don't take it as gospel, but after I asked around I know for us they look for 3 tick marks - excellent grades and relevant degree is 1, Formula student is 2, and 3 is anything extracurricular or previous experience that grabs their attention. For me, it was my prior experience restoring cars, because it meant I had plenty of hands on mechanical experience. Hope that helps!
this video just point out the way for me to accomplish my dream
thank you so much
Just for everyone's information, if you want to get a shot at a position nowadays you´ll need to compete in formula student or formula sae. If you choose a uni or college, I´d make a formula student or formula sae team a key requirement. This is especially important if you don´t happen to study motorsport engineering.
hey :) i’m currently trying to figure out where i want to start my studies and having a formula student team is definitely a criteria that i focus on..
the only problem i have is that there are only two universities in germany who actually offer “motorsport engineering”..
apart from that, they all have “mechanical engineering” where you can then specialize yourself later on by focusing on “vehicle technology”..
do you think it’s much more of an advantage to study motorsport engineering although these two universities aren’t that well know (not even among germans)
@@alisameyer3804 both of those Unis are rather well known amongst germans, especially stralsund. But studying vehicular engineering at a uas like Zwickau, Wolfsburg or Ingolstadt (all with very good and well funded formula student teams and facilities) always seemed like a better idea to me. So you don't need to study Motorsports engineering to gain an adavantage.
@@Lena_765_ what do you think about dual studies at Audi, Mercedes or Porsche tho?
I'm not trying to get into F1 as an engineer but love these videos as its so interesting even if alot of ity goes over my head.
Another thing to recommend is doing a placement at an f1 team. Most of them advertise them around august september and they are competitive but you’ll essentially have one foot in the door if you do get one
Since I was little I always wanted to be part of F1 but since I didn't really like physics in shcool so I didn't enter any major engineering related, I entered medicine so I am looking into becoming a team's/FIA medical personal, thats my goal.
Great video! I recently got accepted to Cranfield for 2024/25 and can't wait!
Excellent resource!!
Great video, and really helpful to the young people who wants to pursue this type of career. I wish I knew some of this when I started my engineeringstudies nearly 20 years ago.
I would have been happy to know all this stuff before I applied, so I hope this helps people who wanna get into the sport.
Yes you drew the right picture! Well-done .. !
Thank you very much for this video. Kind regards, Mark
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video. And a reality check.
Currently applying for Advanced Lightweight and Composites Structure MSc in Cranfield. Hopefully it will be my pathway to F1
Apply to a better uni, so many ppl want to get in
@@user-hs2hd7wp9g any suggestions
Thanks for this video. This was really helpful
Glad it was helpful!
Thankyou!!
You're welcome!
Brilliant !!! I have often wondered about how Engineers get into F1
Too bad for me thou, after 40 years as a Mechanical Engineer I am about to retire
The salaries are a bit crap, though
i want to study Mechanical Engineering at NTNU Trondheim and work on their Revolve Formula Student, i heard with some students at Oslo Motorshow that some students went on to work with F1 teams
Eyyy, cool!
Great videos!
Thanks!
I’ve never been so excited to see a new video. Can you provide any further information on your experience at Cranfield? I’m having difficulty picking between oxford brookes and cranfield for motorsport engineering msc. I’m wondering if you’ve worked with any oxford brookes grads and discussed/compared the two programs. Thank you!
Hey, yes in fact many of my F1 colleagues came from Oxford, Cranfield or Southampton. Southampton is for aerodynamics the best one. For other motorsport topics Cranfield and Oxford Brookes are both very good. Oxford is usually a bit cheaper and easier to get in and their motorsport programme improved during the last years. But you have closer contact to F1 teams at Cranfield and a powerful Alumni network.
@@BSport320 Do you think formula student at Oxford Brookes should be a large factor in my decision?
Oxford Brookes is 15,200 (with “early decision” international scholarship) vs 26,700 for Cranfield. I know its hard to answer without attending both, but do you think Cranfield provides an advantage worth that premium?
Do you have any negative things to say about Cranfield? Did your colleagues have anything negative to say about Oxford Brookes?
Thank you for your time
Great video, just one question, I didn’t get the best A Level results so I’m going down the apprenticeship route in the automotive industry. If I get a Level 3 advanced engineering apprenticeship, do you think this is a viable route into F1 combined with volunteering at Silverstone and Formula Student, anyone else feel free to leave a comment, any advice would be appreciated. I’m determined to make it into F1.
Hi! I don't undestand if I have to do an exam/test to enter into these type of universities in UK. Or the university choose the people based on the received applications.
Awesome video! This is great to see as a current university student looking to make it. If you can say, what are the numbers on salary after a few years in the business?
Thanks! Usually you can expect a 10% increase within the first 3 years, but again, that's entirely up to your own performance.
witch Master cource you persue after bachelor. any software recomdation used in F1 design feild??
Hello,i'm only in the beginning of high school and i want to be a formula 1 aerodynamicist since age 11.Im learning some cad programs too. can you give me a advice to what to do? i would be a very happy if you answer it
Hi Buchan! This video is terrific and very good explained. I have one question about the Master in Motorsport Engineering. I did the master in the MSi technology centre (i do not know if you know it) and I think that not having a student visa is a crucial point to be refused in F1 job processes, do you agree?
Nevertheless, i will be working in toulouse as aerodynamic engineer in aerospace sector doing aero external. Do you think is a good career path to enter in the F1 as a Junior?
The visa problem is another factor.
And yes, Toulouse is a good starting point!
What about executive and management roles?
What would an F1 team think if I’m graduating here from Texas A&M University in Texas, USA? I’m on the formula sae team as chassis lead
For a mechanical engineering student nearing graduation who loves motorsports, this is a god-send. Thank you for sharing your invaluable experience.
Quick question though. What kind of specific work experience do they consider? I'm applying for Research and Development engineer position in AP Honda and Toyota (with high chance of acceptance).
Glad you liked it!
Anything that shows you worked on technology and solved problems is valuable.
I don´t know what experience you already have, but Formula Student is really good work experience.
@@Lena_765_ I actually have participated in Formula Student Competition as aerodynamics designer for 2 years. I'm very familiar with CFD like Ansys and how to make body parts from carbon fiber.
Nice!
Thanks!
It is worth to add you do not have to be employed by F1 team to actually work on F1 stuff. You can work for F1 supplier/technology partner - you will be in a daily contact with F1 engineers, you may attend test sessions, visit F1 factory, experience the stress of F1 development, etc. You may even get the chance to attend after-seson events for key suppliers ;-) I never worked directly for any F1 team, yet there are "my" bits in every car on a grid.
Very true!
Hi Buchan! What's your take on student placements. How common is it to get an offer for a full time job after the placement year? Does it just increase my chances later or is it a real game changer?
That entirely depends on you. You can build a great reputation during your placement, stay in contact with the team and you might have very good chances to get a job there later on. Like I said, being inside is a big advantage.
But you can also destroy your reputation if you perform poorly and they will remember that as well.
Hello, if I want to learn mechanical engineering but not so good at math.. will this be a problem for me or do you learn and understand over time? Thank you
Me a nursing student: hmmm, interesting.
does it help if i study at silverstone UTC
Are the uni costs per year or for the whole study?
hey man... great video... just to clarify when you mentioned to get a degree in motorsports from Uk... other than those universities you mentioned are there any other universities? cuz i have gotten an admit from Brunel University London. should i take it or not? whats your review?
I‘m not too familiar with the Brunel University and didn’t meet anyone from there in F1. But I know them from Formula Student. It‘s possible they habe a good programme too, I just named the big 3 here.
are there any scholarship opportunities to study motorsport in the UK?
I not long joined formula student in the aero team, I honestly have no idea what I'm doing but I'm going to give it a crack
That's normal I would say^^
As someone who was in the same shoes as you, that's way more common than you think. Just make sure to be proactive and get your hands dirty with manufacturing as much as you can. We had several teamates eventually make it into F1 and they stressed the importance of learning through doing. Its very easy to just struggle, toss your hands up and say im better at the theory side. As no matter how smart you are, you are going to mess up a lot and it's fustrating and sucks.
As somone who didnt want to go into F1 due to the life/work balance, the ammount of things I learned during FSAE has still been invaluable. You get what you put in.
This video is great! If anyone is seriously interested in becoming an engineer in formula 1, I highly recommend the book “How to Build a Car” by Adrian Newey. Very insightful and walks you through his life starting from childhood to his career at Red Bull.
True,but his path is irrelevant to f1 nowadays.He basically just walked into a team and became their aerodynamicist.But still,great read though,would definitely recommend it to any aspiring engineering regardless of motorsport or not.
Hey man nice video ! I am an undergraduate student studying computer science. Just wanted to ask are there any roles for people with computer science bachground in motorsports. I am also planning to do masters after my bachelors, are these master courses in motorsports engineering are for mech. engineering and aerospace engineering grads only or they are also open for other majors as well.
There are some ppl that i know who have computer science backgrounds and roles for strategy and software techs. Its less the degree you have and more the skills you can display imo but a relevant degree helps obvs 😅
Hey, thank you for this great video.
What do you think about studying motorsport engineering in germany?
Is it a good start i mean not just for entering F1 but in general?
You are welcome!
My experience after studying engineering in Germany and UK is that the German engineering study is academically on a much higher level. To do the same as we did in Germany in the 3rd Semester, I had to go to the Master courses (year 4 and 5) in the UK.
The undergraduate in the UK is what we did in school in Germany.
So a German engineering course is a good basis. But there are not many German universities, which offer this close contact and experiences from motorsport.
But I am currently working on changing that ;)
so if you could start all over again.. would you choose to do a bachelor in mechanical engineering here in germany and then the master in the UK, again?
If not, what would you have done differently?
(Komme aus Deutschland und habe gerade mein Abi mit nem ziemlich guten Schnitt abgeschlossen aber bin mir jetzt unsicher was ich als nächstes tun sollte)
Thanks for the detailed breakdown, really informative. Have you ever worked in motorsport outside of F1? I'm more interested in the sportscar racing side of things. I'd just like to know if you can share anything specific to that. Thanks in advance
I've been working in endurance racing and have friends in sportscar racing. It's very similar to what I describe in this video. Just the technical level is lower with lower budget and less people.
@@BSport320 are entry wages about the same then?
B sport thanks you for this video few days ago I wrote mesage for every f1 team and nobody comeback
It also depends on where you send your messages and what you write in them.
If you send your CV to info@... you won't get a response.
But if you send it directly to the technical director (I even messaged Adrian Newey directly) and offer to help them with a problem they currently have or you present a new technology/design you came up with, you might get a response.
Hi Buchan! I'm a big fan of your videos. So I am currently a Korean high school senior student getting ready for university admission. I am currently leaning toward becoming an electrical engineer rather than a mechanical or aerodynamic engineer. Does this video apply similarly to electrical engineers in motorsport as well? Will it be more beneficial for me to take motorsport engineering or just take the normal electrical engineering route?
Thank you for the great videos anyway!
Well, it's been a year now,what did you choose?
@@deepakinstinct Didn't expect this comment to get a reply! So I was admitted into KAIST, and KAIST actually doesn't let freshmen to choose their major. So I don't have a major right now, but I feel like I'm gonnna be majoring Electrical Engineering and maybe get mechanical engineering as minor
@@user-ze5uq4te5r That is an interesting path, Good luck! btw are you still interested in motorsports?
@@deepakinstinct yep! More than ever lol
Nice video.
I'm starting university at the end of this year and I did think about applying an engineering course specializing in motorsport, but becoming so specialized straight away was a slight turn off for me. Instead, I've applied to do a masters mechanical engineering at various unis that do formula student and have automotive modules in hopes of gaining relevant experience, while maintaining a wider scope for job opportunities.
Maybe it was a slight mistake to not apply for unis in the "motorsport valley". I did think about applying to oxford brookes but it being a newer university with high living costs I ended up not. The unis I have offers for aren't that far away so I guess I'll just see what opportunities I can get. I could change my masters to a bachelors and apply to a do a motorsport masters after but I'm unsure.
There are many ways to end up in motorsports and it all depends on yourself.
The motorsport master is just a highly likely way to get into such a position and get lots of contacts at the same time.
At least ur already in europe, for me is way harder, im studying mechanical engeneering in Brazil and here we ll have some more steps to do, ive just entered the formula SAE team here, im very excited and lets see what ll happen, good luck for u
I’m currently at the same point as you were.. I need to decide weather i already want to specialize myself so early or start with a bachelor in mechanical engineering.. still not sure what’s better for me :/
looking back, do you regret not going all in right away?
@@alisameyer3804 I have nothing to look back on yet, I still haven't started uni lol. I start this september
What is a bachelor?
Did you study mechanical engineering? Great video, i really enjoyed it!
Automotive Engineering in my Bachelor, but it's very similar to mechanical engineering, just some subjects are specific for cars.
And later Cranfield...
ive got a question. why didnt u apply as german graduate for a german team in germany. also why didnt u complete your masters in germany? is RWTH Aachen good in mechanical engineering ?and is it respected among the F1 communities?
I'm an engineering student with no experience in motorsport.
Motorsport isn't popular in my country.
It's also very hard for me to get close to the teams in europe because I live in asia.
I'm going to apply for master's degree in aerospace next year.
What's your advice for me if I want to get into motorsport?
Is master's degree in aerospace a good pathway to motorsport?
A cheap and good way to learn more about car design are RC cars. That's also something you can do yourself, if there is not much motorsport around your area. I learned a lot about suspension setups, packaging and even built my own aero packages for RC cars.
A master's degree in aerospace is a great staring point!
@@BSport320 Thank you
What is your opinion on Msc aerospace engineering as a entry point in f1
That's a great starting point!
@@BSport320 thank you, I have applied for the same course in UK, and might get admission. So hoping for the best.
Why did you leave F1 in the end? I'd imagine wage would be a big point when comparing to similar positions in the German Automobile industry?
Hi Buchan! The video is absolute bonkers ❤🔥Unfortunately I'm not having that much money to study in UK. So I decided to do MS in Racing Car Design in MUNER, Italy. The course fees is lot lesser than in UK. I'm a 3rd year Mechanical Engineering student. Is there any possibility to enter into F1 by doing the course that is equivalent to the courses that are offered by these 3 universities outside from UK? Do you came across any professional or colleagues in F1 who came from MUNER?
Thanks a lot!
I didn't come across anyone from Muner in F1, but it sounds like a good starting point.
You don't need to study one of these 3 courses to end up in F1, but they get you a lot closer to it.
I'm on the same boat as you bro
3rd year mechanical engineering, F1 dream
@@BSport320 Thanks Bro👍
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I’m currently working as an engineer in automotive in Germany for 60k€. Thinking about working as an engineer in the UK.
Would you recommend working in the UK? How is the job and living quality, are there benefits compared to Germany?
I mean in my experience you will earn less, work longer, have less holidays and also less bank holidays in the UK.
Cost of living is significantly more expensive.
Especially for young families it’s a lot more expensive with e.g. nurseries being 10x more expensive than in Germany.
And you have to like the British weather.
But on the plus side it’s more international.
I have a one question how can i be a f1 drive? And is f1 for women is going to success? + THX FOR THE VEDIO HOPE U ANSWER MY QUESTION'S ❤❤
Wie realistisch ist es in die F1 zu kommen wenn man in Deutschland Motorsport engineering studiert, ist es dann viel schwerer als wie wenn man dass in England macht?
Die deutschen Programme gibt es noch nicht so lange und sie sind nicht so stark im Motorsport verwurzelt wie die in England. Aber wie gesagt: Es kommt auf einen selber an. So ein Studium, egal ob in England oder Deutschland garantiert keinen Einstieg in die Formel 1, es vernetzt einen nur besser ind schafft gewisse Grundlagen.
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I'm 21 and i'm from vietnamese, my dream is become f1 engineer but i dont know how i start, i wish i meet someone can teach me in my journey become a f1 engineer😢
I‘m pretty sure, you are from germany
My man really forgot to mention formula student
Formula Student is great to learn a lot of what you need and I also did it myself. But this video is based on my experiences within F1 teams and you can also get in without Formula Student if you follow the advices in this video.
@@BSport320 I see, but from where i am i cant really study automotive enggeniring the only thing we have is mechanical. So i think it would be fair to at least mention FSAE as another option.