Can’t force people to stop liking music they’ve enjoyed long before this happened . Let people enjoy shit, you’re not saving any children by policing what people listen to.
Been listening to Possessed since before Seven Churches even came out and will continue to do so. Not tossing my albums out because of some accusation either.
Its not really an accusation, it's been proven real. But regardless i understand that. I will still listen to possessed either way. Seperate the art and the artist \m/
@@veki5535 What was proven? Just some words, and talk is cheap. The guy can't even get a hard on. The REAL bs is him firing Emilio for something similar. If nothing physical happened then no crime was committed. It's not like he was busted with underage p0rn. These people with their fakeass virtue signaling need to find a better hobby.
@@veki5535 What's been proven? Was just some words, and talk is cheap. The REAL bs is him firing Emilio for something similar. All these virtue signaling hypocrites with their fakeass concern need to find a better hobby.
These comments are horrible. Why are you all blaming social media and not Jeff for being a freak? I know none of you will believe me, but I quite literally know someone who was a relatively well known teen on metal tiktok in 2021. He’s sent me pictures of Jeff drunk dming him. Albeit, he never was sexual with him, but this kid was 16 years old! What a weird man. I’m honestly not surprised considering that.
I would not have much to listen too if I cared about what the musicians are doing in their personal lives!!! " Seven Churches " will always remain one of heaviest albums. 𖤐⸸💀⸸𖤐
But it’s different if they’re creeping around on children. Would you want this to happen to your kids or family members? The music is still good though.
@@nailedbomb no one is creeping around children you pious Christian. He sent harmless texts. Get off your high horse and mind yo business. Leave the man alone!!
@@aggyd9207 Sounds like you outta listen to "the WHOLE story" , sir..... Someone posted the actual link (on this thread) for the recent podcast that HAS ALL info/interviewed 16 yo female "victim", a really "now, past" good friend of Beccera and a couple other podcast METAL dudes....It sadly IS? ....ALL THERE.....IDK IF "suggesting /wanted illicit pics" FROM THE ACTUAL GIRL, NOR JUST remarks about "making BEAUTIFUL Mexican BABIES" with the gal REALLY IS.. POSSIBLY, ."LEGALLY DAMAGING" but......Nahhh dude..... From where I come from? 50 some year old dudes (almost 60 y.o.at that), having ANY KINDA "relationships" with THAT age of a girl???....🤨...IS NOT friggin "good" behavior...At ALL! 😕... It's about an hour and half to 2 hour podcast (outta your life) but.... HIGHLY recommended.....IF afterwards, you STILL think that ALL of Beccera's grooming/ behavior "is normal/acceptable chyt"???..... Well...... IDK WHAT, to tell ya.... As far as "leaving Jeff ALONE!".... THEN I suggest, that the mfer get some 18 PLUS, AND OLDER "POSSESSION FEMALE FANS" to TCB WITH!..... HIGHLY, suggested......🤌😎 ROCK the funk ON 🤘🔥🤘
@jamescon55 i don't know what criptic gibberish you write in but bottom line, I dont care what the dude did or didn't do. What's your suggestion here?? That we never let this dude play music again? I don't care about the discomfort of some teenage twat who is probably getting dicked down more than an entire platoon of hookers. Why should I suffer not being able to see one of the greatest DM bands play live all because some little twat wants her 15 min of shame?? Everyone can get fucked. Bunch of snowflakes ❄️ with delicate sensibilities. Meanwhile if same 16 yr old went and offed someone, we would try them as an adult and give them either the death penalty or life without parole because it seems America picks and chooses when a 16 yr old is a child and when they are an adult. the hypocrisy is astonishing.
Jeff isn't my friend, nor is Dagon, Varg, etc. I don't have a personal relationship with them, so their personal behavior doesn't concern me much. I'm not going to deprive myself of classic albums because someone on the recording is a bad person. Total agreement with you, Matt!
This reminds me of the Dr Disrespect situation. The girl and her family have not pressed charges (yet), but it can happen. This is why you never put yourself into this situation. Block, ignore, deny group invitations, etc where underage people are concern.
Black and white thinking and social pressure dominates the debate here. If an artist should be 100 percent uncompromised , inherently all good, there would be no music left. People who say they are Mother Theresa of kindness and goodness are not to be trusted. (Mother Theresa herself was a fraud). Phil Spector , R Kelly and many metallo’s have a massive criminal record but in a way I think the music they made is still great and reminds me that a person is not only entirely despicable, whatever the grim crimes. ( R Kelly and Spector must accord to and have been judged by the law, rightly so ). Ah, and how many musicians, artists, politicians, humans that have not been effectively cast out by (media) trials, are of sound and correct behaviour? There are so many that are very shady yet they are lauded because of integrity and likeability. It is a massively hypocritical world in every way.
This is one of those topics where most people are scared of applying any level of nuance because they're scared of being called "pedo defenders," which (whether the accusation is accurate or not) is probably the worst thing you can be called.
Folks here blaming social media and not jeff for literal grooming are all defending pdfilia, great job everyone. It's one thing to enjoy music made by scumbags but y'all really seem to want to find a reason to downplay predatory behavior. That's not in defense of the music, it's pro-grooming, plain and simple.
I love your explanation, Matt. I agree 100% with every single word and all the takes you shared. The perfect example for me would be Neurosis. What S.K. did was horrendous and despicable. That can’t take away the countless hours of listening and the positive impact those Neurosis albums have on me. Of course, I understand people that can’t or don’t want to separate art from artist. You may listen to them but not buy albums/merch or you can never listen to them again at all… For each its own. It’s absolutely understandable and respectable. Where to “draw the line” in what you want to listen or support is absolutely personal imho For many people: we are here just for the music. Period. Looking forward to a longer version video with your additional takes in this topic. Keep it up, mate!
Totally agree with your takes on it. It's separate to morals. We love the music because we develop a relationship with how it makes us feel. That relationship is subjective, unique to us, and is actually in some ways unrelated to the artist. It might be BY them but once it's out there - it's open to take a life of it's own. I know it's different because it's "fresh" so this might be a false comparison - but you can look at how awful and anti-Semitic Wagner was and notice that a lot of people have separated the art from the artist there - including Stephen Fry who did a documentary about his relationship with the music and how he - being a Jew - could reconcile the fact the creator of the music he loves most would despise him. Then you've got the case of Carlo Gesualdo who is praised nowadays as one of the greatest Renaissance era composers. Dude was insane - he caught his wife cheating on him and in the heat of the moment brutally murdered them both. Hasn't impacted his popularity one bit! Well he's not exactly a household name but yeah... what I mean is that it hasn't really harmed the appreciation of his music for fans for that genre.
I totally agree with you! Luckily i can separate the art from the artist too..Hoping its not true the allegations but if true I'll still be listening to Possessed.I suppose there's probably a lot of skeletons in band members closets that we don't know about 🤷♀️
@@wendyashworth5571 I mean, I’ve heard the voice note and it isn’t great, I have to say. However yeah, as you say, I’m here for the music. Everything else is noise, albeit diabolical noise. Also, when are you going to start your channel up properly? 😉
If proven, then he deserves whatever punishment is fitting. As for listening to the music he helped create, why not? I've read a lot of people saying how they really enjoy an album, but won't listen to it because so and so did from the band did this, that or the other, especially the black metal fans. Separating art from the artist is a very simple task for me but I understand, mostly, that some people can't.
@@seanbeast939 100% agreed mate. I get that it depends from person to person, but before I get dumb comments, I thought I’d clear this up a bit. Jeff’s dumb decisions don’t affect me, but yeah if all of this is true, he definitely deserves comeuppance.
From the metalsucks article: "...During another one of their conversations, Sophia claimed that she told Becerra she was bored and was going to "goon," ..." So basically, she was messaging him sexually, and he eventually started replying inappropriately too? That's the scandal here? It's still illegal, sure, but reading into this for 5 seconds changes a lot.
@@raddams3782Like, it's literally an adult engaging in sexual conversation with a minor. It doesn't matter if the minor “started it”. She probably didn't even coerce him into such conversation and didn't know any better, because they're a goddamn kid.
Omg, a child cannot "provoke" you. Even if they start texting like that just drop it. The man is 56 yo ffs. Imagine if a child on a street comes to you ask starts asking adult questions, you will just drop the convo and ignore it. Why its not the same for the internet?
Same here. All you need to do now to ruin someones career and reputation that you have beef with is just accuse them of illegal sex acts, porn, etc. The hysterical and foaming at the mouth masses fall for it everytime, no proof is even needed anymore. Any politician or celebrity are easy targets.
Separating the art from the artist is the best thing you can do. Coping and saying that it's all made up is not the answer. So when it comes to bands, I just couldn't care less for anything other than the art itself. But I still really appreciate when the members are actually at least tolerable human beings.
I won’t judge anyone who chooses to still listen to or support the band. I just know that I won’t support or listen to them much anytime soon. Everyone has their own moral compass when it comes to separating the art from the artist and everyone has a choice on what they listen to and spend their money on.
I Grew up with Jeff ! He is a awesome guy and has always been super cool to me. This was probably a girl looking for to get publicity. Jeff has always been Super Loyal to me
To compare this to Ian Watkins is wholly incorrect. What Ian did was beyond horrific & sickening. Jeff at best is lonely, desperate and weird, but not a criminal. Or even close to it. (This is my reply to someone in the commemts btw).
This is appalling news to hear. I had a conversation with Jeff over text two years ago about a comment I responded to calling someone out on some hateful and bigoted BS, and we chewed the fat about peoples' backgrounds and the fucked up shit that people say or do and that a lot of them don't know any better. Everyone is troubled in some way or another, some more than others. It fuckin' kills me to no end to hear such crazy shit about someone I looked up to and respected.
As a father of an 8 year old and a fan of his music. I’m very torn. It’s fuck that dude, who wrote one of the greatest death metal records of all time. It’s worse that she started it, and he easily could have said no we’re not doing this kinda convo.
No, I'll never stop listening to Possessed albums. I agree, separate the art from artist. Who the artist is as a person has nothing to do with the listener.
The age old question, how to separate the art from the artist? I do think there are layers to situations like this. I would never listen to Lost Prophets, honestly I had to stop listening to Iced Earth because of what Jon Schaffer did (and that was a long time coming), the Sadus thing... that's pretty much messed me up from listening to them ever again (fuck Jon Allen!). With Possessed, it's bad yes, but knowing Jeff Beccara from his wacky off the wall posts on social media, maybe he didn't know she was under age while texting, maybe the girl involved or her friends had some agenda for releasing this stuff... but then again maybe not? I don't think he would have acted on anything they texted. The man is practically an invalid, with so many health problems that I wouldn't even know where to start... we all pick our poison. Would I stop listening to Mayhem or Dissection? Do we watch Woody Allen or Roman Polanski movies? Does anyone listen to Charles Manson's band? Does anyone look at Hitler's paintings? ... I can't really not listen to Castlevania music just because the composer was a Qanon conspiracy theorist... I love those games. Same with Skyrim, Jeremy Soule wrote this brilliant soundtrack, but do we even know the truth in his instance?
Out of curiosity why do people hate Varg? If you say "hes a raythist" and not because"hes a murderer" then im going to say your priorities are messed up.
I think most people hate him because he's a murderer first but I can definitely see some folks prioritising the fact that he's racist. Makes me wonder tho, do you think Burzum would be less controversial if Varg wasn't racist but did all the other things?
This "grooming scandal" turned out to be nothing. If you guys were expecting a To Catch a Predator type thing, youre gonna be disappointed. I know calling people out and public shaming is very cool now, but this "scandal" is all about nothing.
@@katshades I agree it might be for sure. That wasn’t really the point of the vid though. It was more a generalisation and a good reason to put out my views on such things
@Altars_of_Mattness i agree with the overall.point of the video. I was going to make a similar video on this subject. I have no idea why so many people care so much about an artists political opinions, or are willing to hate them forever for something "inappropriate"
@ I get it, like it’s a rough subject because it’s inherently wrong. As a person, fuck him if he has done the things that have been alleged, however musically, I don’t look for this stuff, because that’s his problem, and they’re his consequences. The music is separate entirely for me. His personal life is not even remotely my concern
I mean I love metal but glorify darkness long enough don’t be shocked when the one singing evils praises themselves are evil.That being said I did respect Jeff and I hope these turn out to be just unfounded allegations like it was with Dave Ellison (yes I know Dave still jerked his stick but he wasn’t a ped )
The people that do research about shit that people do in their personal life before they listen to a band have to much free time on their hands. Didn’t know about what jeff did and like you if true it sucks but it doesn’t affect me so whatever.
I hope he beats the allegations but the evidence doesn’t look good for Jeff if I’m being honest. I will probably still listen to possessed but I can’t lie I will find it hard to not think about while listening to their records.
Definitely can't be worse than what Ian Watkins did🤢🤮. I'm not trying to trivialize any victims of the others mentioned but that guy has to take the cake is the absolute worst. Fucking guy had fantasies about raping babies🤢🤮
@@wardochurchfan9166 The dude who killed his bandmate (in "self defense"), is a total Nazi and white supremacist, has apparently funded extreme far-right terrorist groups, and has said that "metal culture is n*gger culture" and "I don't understand what the point with this metal subculture is".
Honestly, I think that guy is insanely cooked. So far, he hasn’t gave a proper apology and blocked all comments from his TikTok and latest Instagram post. This makes him look more guilty than he already is imho. Old (80s) Jeff is not the same as new Jeff anyways. The music is still very good, but as long as you can acknowledge that he’s a weirdo, then that’s fine.
@@marcosperez5828 True that. I know in a TikTok comment section somebody had asked him “When are you making an apology video”, and he replied with “Not gonna happen”. I’m sure he knows what he did was wrong but does not want to hold accountability for it. Childish behavior is a disease.
If you were to reserve your listening to bands whose members haven't done some pretty stupid things or comments, you'd be left with a tiny collection. I learnt to separate musician from their art a long time ago. I guess it probably started with Benton & Vikernes but there were/still are people in metal bands saying or doing some pretty stupid/condemnable stuff but their music stands independent to me. I will always enjoy "Seven Churches" and their other albums regardless if the allegations are true or not. Take it easy
It's already owning the album or buying second hand (eBay, Discogs, etc.) *vs.* buying their music on their website, paying to see them perform live, etc.
@@megatedassaultituary6783 It wasn’t an attempt, it literally was sarcasm. To prove nothing, ‘Twas some harmless, throwaway sarcasm to keep you on your toes.
We'll find out for sure if he ever appears in a Gordon Flowers, Colorado Ped Patrol, Skeeter Jean, etc video as those mentioned travel across the country.
Manowar, Sabaton, WASP, Judas Priest, Lost Profits, Motley Crue, Cynic, and now Possessed? Whats going on with heavy metal, whys it filled with sleazeballs?
Yeah, concerning CYNIC, other than the obvious homosexual preference of original drummer Reinhert (RIP) and whatever other member that was in the band....WHAT ARE you referring to with CYNIC?.....🤔.....
Were you born after the 90s or something? The whole appeal of being in a band for most young men was groupies. David Bowie, all the members of Led Zeppelin, etc. slept with girls this age. Doesn't make it right, but it's not some shocker either.
I'll never stop listening to Possessed
Really? Your okay with listening to a pedophile? I bet your the kinda guy to call gay people groomers while supporting a literal fucking pervert
Can’t force people to stop liking music they’ve enjoyed long before this happened . Let people enjoy shit, you’re not saving any children by policing what people listen to.
@@Wufffles jeff is a pedo but extreme metal has murderers, communists and natsos in it so its not suprising
Been listening to Possessed since before Seven Churches even came out and will continue to do so. Not tossing my albums out because of some accusation either.
Agreed mate 👍👊
@infernalcovenant666 👊
Its not really an accusation, it's been proven real. But regardless i understand that. I will still listen to possessed either way. Seperate the art and the artist \m/
@@veki5535 What was proven? Just some words, and talk is cheap. The guy can't even get a hard on. The REAL bs is him firing Emilio for something similar. If nothing physical happened then no crime was committed. It's not like he was busted with underage p0rn. These people with their fakeass virtue signaling need to find a better hobby.
@@veki5535 What's been proven? Was just some words, and talk is cheap. The REAL bs is him firing Emilio for something similar. All these virtue signaling hypocrites with their fakeass concern need to find a better hobby.
Unless he’s criminally charged and convicted of an offence, I don’t see any crime committed here
These comments are horrible. Why are you all blaming social media and not Jeff for being a freak?
I know none of you will believe me, but I quite literally know someone who was a relatively well known teen on metal tiktok in 2021. He’s sent me pictures of Jeff drunk dming him. Albeit, he never was sexual with him, but this kid was 16 years old! What a weird man. I’m honestly not surprised considering that.
Metal Sucks Isn't very reliable.
@@necro.daemoness666 Agreed, they’re just headhunters for the most part
I agree! Metal Sucks needs to be canceled.
I would not have much to listen too if I cared about what the musicians are doing in their personal lives!!! " Seven Churches " will always remain one of heaviest albums. 𖤐⸸💀⸸𖤐
But it’s different if they’re creeping around on children. Would you want this to happen to your kids or family members? The music is still good though.
@@nailedbomb no one is creeping around children you pious Christian. He sent harmless texts. Get off your high horse and mind yo business. Leave the man alone!!
@@aggyd9207 Sounds like you outta listen to "the WHOLE story" , sir..... Someone posted the actual link (on this thread) for the recent podcast that HAS ALL info/interviewed 16 yo female "victim", a really "now, past" good friend of Beccera and a couple other podcast METAL dudes....It sadly IS? ....ALL THERE.....IDK IF "suggesting /wanted illicit pics" FROM THE ACTUAL GIRL, NOR JUST remarks about "making BEAUTIFUL Mexican BABIES" with the gal REALLY IS.. POSSIBLY, ."LEGALLY DAMAGING" but......Nahhh dude..... From where I come from? 50 some year old dudes (almost 60 y.o.at that), having ANY KINDA "relationships" with THAT age of a girl???....🤨...IS NOT friggin "good" behavior...At ALL! 😕... It's about an hour and half to 2 hour podcast (outta your life) but.... HIGHLY recommended.....IF afterwards, you STILL think that ALL of Beccera's grooming/ behavior "is normal/acceptable chyt"???..... Well...... IDK WHAT, to tell ya.... As far as "leaving Jeff ALONE!".... THEN I suggest, that the mfer get some 18 PLUS, AND OLDER "POSSESSION FEMALE FANS" to TCB WITH!..... HIGHLY, suggested......🤌😎 ROCK the funk ON 🤘🔥🤘
@jamescon55 i don't know what criptic gibberish you write in but bottom line, I dont care what the dude did or didn't do. What's your suggestion here?? That we never let this dude play music again? I don't care about the discomfort of some teenage twat who is probably getting dicked down more than an entire platoon of hookers. Why should I suffer not being able to see one of the greatest DM bands play live all because some little twat wants her 15 min of shame?? Everyone can get fucked. Bunch of snowflakes ❄️ with delicate sensibilities. Meanwhile if same 16 yr old went and offed someone, we would try them as an adult and give them either the death penalty or life without parole because it seems America picks and chooses when a 16 yr old is a child and when they are an adult. the hypocrisy is astonishing.
To paraphrase J-Dawg, I don’t need to do a background check and know what cereal someone likes before I listen to them
@@DeanH92 Wise words
But in reality that doesn’t really apply when your actively continuing to listen to someone who’s a child groomer
@@ironfist4457 You’re not listening to them with that in mind surely? If you’re looking for it and focus on that, then aye you’re probably right…
LOL. You gonna dye on that hill with Justine, bb girl?
@@200_WimpWounds Fits the bill brah brah. Of course the goddamn DAWG owns a copy of that hill. Check out those sigs
Jeff isn't my friend, nor is Dagon, Varg, etc. I don't have a personal relationship with them, so their personal behavior doesn't concern me much. I'm not going to deprive myself of classic albums because someone on the recording is a bad person. Total agreement with you, Matt!
Wait till theyfigure out that possessed isnt just a one man band... the idiots these days maan
@@milenschneewei6754 Wait, they weren’t?????????? 😁
I don't give a shit, I liked metal more before social media.
@@johnran6015 Preach!
This reminds me of the Dr Disrespect situation. The girl and her family have not pressed charges (yet), but it can happen. This is why you never put yourself into this situation. Block, ignore, deny group invitations, etc where underage people are concern.
Black and white thinking and social pressure dominates the debate here. If an artist should be 100 percent uncompromised , inherently all good, there would be no music left. People who say they are Mother Theresa of kindness and goodness are not to be trusted. (Mother Theresa herself was a fraud). Phil Spector , R Kelly and many metallo’s have a massive criminal record but in a way I think the music they made is still great and reminds me that a person is not only entirely despicable, whatever the grim crimes. ( R Kelly and Spector must accord to and have been judged by the law, rightly so ). Ah, and how many musicians, artists, politicians, humans that have not been effectively cast out by (media) trials, are of sound and correct behaviour? There are so many that are very shady yet they are lauded because of integrity and likeability. It is a massively hypocritical world in every way.
This is one of those topics where most people are scared of applying any level of nuance because they're scared of being called "pedo defenders," which (whether the accusation is accurate or not) is probably the worst thing you can be called.
Folks here blaming social media and not jeff for literal grooming are all defending pdfilia, great job everyone.
It's one thing to enjoy music made by scumbags but y'all really seem to want to find a reason to downplay predatory behavior. That's not in defense of the music, it's pro-grooming, plain and simple.
I listen to Possessed and have their patch but I dont agree with Jeff's actions what does that make me?
THANK YOU.
I love your explanation, Matt. I agree 100% with every single word and all the takes you shared.
The perfect example for me would be Neurosis. What S.K. did was horrendous and despicable. That can’t take away the countless hours of listening and the positive impact those Neurosis albums have on me.
Of course, I understand people that can’t or don’t want to separate art from artist. You may listen to them but not buy albums/merch or you can never listen to them again at all… For each its own. It’s absolutely understandable and respectable.
Where to “draw the line” in what you want to listen or support is absolutely personal imho For many people: we are here just for the music. Period.
Looking forward to a longer version video with your additional takes in this topic. Keep it up, mate!
Mr. Garrison:" oh you can't screw anything Halfy you don't have any legs"!😂
Haha I laughed out loud at that
@@granthelas4468 Outstanding
The worst part is that Jeff seemed like a cool dude. I'm still gonna jam Seven Churches because it's a fucking banger but still very sad to see.
People can't wait for others to fall from grace. It almost seem the catching out is more vital than the "crime" itself.
Totally agree with your takes on it. It's separate to morals. We love the music because we develop a relationship with how it makes us feel. That relationship is subjective, unique to us, and is actually in some ways unrelated to the artist. It might be BY them but once it's out there - it's open to take a life of it's own.
I know it's different because it's "fresh" so this might be a false comparison - but you can look at how awful and anti-Semitic Wagner was and notice that a lot of people have separated the art from the artist there - including Stephen Fry who did a documentary about his relationship with the music and how he - being a Jew - could reconcile the fact the creator of the music he loves most would despise him.
Then you've got the case of Carlo Gesualdo who is praised nowadays as one of the greatest Renaissance era composers. Dude was insane - he caught his wife cheating on him and in the heat of the moment brutally murdered them both.
Hasn't impacted his popularity one bit! Well he's not exactly a household name but yeah... what I mean is that it hasn't really harmed the appreciation of his music for fans for that genre.
seven charges
I totally agree with you! Luckily i can separate the art from the artist too..Hoping its not true the allegations but if true I'll still be listening to Possessed.I suppose there's probably a lot of skeletons in band members closets that we don't know about 🤷♀️
@@wendyashworth5571 I mean, I’ve heard the voice note and it isn’t great, I have to say. However yeah, as you say, I’m here for the music. Everything else is noise, albeit diabolical noise.
Also, when are you going to start your channel up properly? 😉
@@Altars_of_Mattness🤣😂🙈
If proven, then he deserves whatever punishment is fitting. As for listening to the music he helped create, why not? I've read a lot of people saying how they really enjoy an album, but won't listen to it because so and so did from the band did this, that or the other, especially the black metal fans. Separating art from the artist is a very simple task for me but I understand, mostly, that some people can't.
@@seanbeast939 100% agreed mate. I get that it depends from person to person, but before I get dumb comments, I thought I’d clear this up a bit. Jeff’s dumb decisions don’t affect me, but yeah if all of this is true, he definitely deserves comeuppance.
From the metalsucks article: "...During another one of their conversations, Sophia claimed that she told Becerra she was bored and was going to "goon," ..."
So basically, she was messaging him sexually, and he eventually started replying inappropriately too? That's the scandal here?
It's still illegal, sure, but reading into this for 5 seconds changes a lot.
Doesn't really change anything at all but uh, nice grooming apologia you got there
@@raddams3782Like, it's literally an adult engaging in sexual conversation with a minor. It doesn't matter if the minor “started it”. She probably didn't even coerce him into such conversation and didn't know any better, because they're a goddamn kid.
Omg, a child cannot "provoke" you. Even if they start texting like that just drop it. The man is 56 yo ffs. Imagine if a child on a street comes to you ask starts asking adult questions, you will just drop the convo and ignore it. Why its not the same for the internet?
@@raddams3782 Doesn't change anything, becayse women can never be accountable
I really don't care. People are just too worked up about everything nowadays....!
Same here. All you need to do now to ruin someones career and reputation that you have beef with is just accuse them of illegal sex acts, porn, etc.
The hysterical and foaming at the mouth masses fall for it everytime, no proof is even needed anymore. Any politician or celebrity are easy targets.
Bands called evil stuff like " Possessed" and "Inquisition": Do something evil
Fans: omg they did bad stuff :O
Varg is a legend
@@somethingelse04 Musically, yes. As a person, no. As a karate practitioner… yes
In his own mind perhaps.
@@DaPikaGTM 🤡
@@somethingelse04 You don't need to tell me what you are, when that's blatantly obvious.
@DaPikaGTM keep talking BS buddy
Separating the art from the artist is the best thing you can do. Coping and saying that it's all made up is not the answer. So when it comes to bands, I just couldn't care less for anything other than the art itself. But I still really appreciate when the members are actually at least tolerable human beings.
THEYRE ALL SINNERS!
I won’t judge anyone who chooses to still listen to or support the band. I just know that I won’t support or listen to them much anytime soon. Everyone has their own moral compass when it comes to separating the art from the artist and everyone has a choice on what they listen to and spend their money on.
I Grew up with Jeff ! He is a awesome guy and has always been super cool to me. This was probably a girl looking for to get publicity. Jeff has always been Super Loyal to me
I've been a fan of Possessed since 1985 so whatever is going on, it doesn't take away from Seven Churches being the birth of Death Metal 🤘🍻😎
A lot of People are actually getting rid of their Seven Churches, at least the Posers / Fake Fans are Publicly Outing themselves.
@@necro.daemoness666or maybe people don’t like creeps? How would you feel if this happened to your kid?
To compare this to Ian Watkins is wholly incorrect. What Ian did was beyond horrific & sickening. Jeff at best is lonely, desperate and weird, but not a criminal. Or even close to it. (This is my reply to someone in the commemts btw).
Yes, Ian Watkins deserves his own category entirely.
utterly depraved
"Guys he wasn't Ian Watkins so it's cool" get real.
Why are you comparing sex crimes? Both are bad, let’s not platform or give credit to pedophiles
@@Dinjur "Sending dirty messages to teenage girls is equally as bad as ray. ping. babies". - Dinjur.
Buddy that does not make sense and you know it.
For me it is a different thing to listen to old Possessed records and attend future concerts of Becerras "Possessed".
This is appalling news to hear. I had a conversation with Jeff over text two years ago about a comment I responded to calling someone out on some hateful and bigoted BS, and we chewed the fat about peoples' backgrounds and the fucked up shit that people say or do and that a lot of them don't know any better. Everyone is troubled in some way or another, some more than others. It fuckin' kills me to no end to hear such crazy shit about someone I looked up to and respected.
As a father of an 8 year old and a fan of his music. I’m very torn. It’s fuck that dude, who wrote one of the greatest death metal records of all time. It’s worse that she started it, and he easily could have said no we’re not doing this kinda convo.
No, I'll never stop listening to Possessed albums. I agree, separate the art from artist. Who the artist is as a person has nothing to do with the listener.
So he was texting a fan. That's not illegal.
Asking a 16 year old fan for sexy pics is though
The age old question, how to separate the art from the artist? I do think there are layers to situations like this. I would never listen to Lost Prophets, honestly I had to stop listening to Iced Earth because of what Jon Schaffer did (and that was a long time coming), the Sadus thing... that's pretty much messed me up from listening to them ever again (fuck Jon Allen!). With Possessed, it's bad yes, but knowing Jeff Beccara from his wacky off the wall posts on social media, maybe he didn't know she was under age while texting, maybe the girl involved or her friends had some agenda for releasing this stuff... but then again maybe not? I don't think he would have acted on anything they texted. The man is practically an invalid, with so many health problems that I wouldn't even know where to start... we all pick our poison. Would I stop listening to Mayhem or Dissection? Do we watch Woody Allen or Roman Polanski movies? Does anyone listen to Charles Manson's band? Does anyone look at Hitler's paintings? ... I can't really not listen to Castlevania music just because the composer was a Qanon conspiracy theorist... I love those games. Same with Skyrim, Jeremy Soule wrote this brilliant soundtrack, but do we even know the truth in his instance?
Out of curiosity why do people hate Varg? If you say "hes a raythist" and not because"hes a murderer" then im going to say your priorities are messed up.
I think most people hate him because he's a murderer first but I can definitely see some folks prioritising the fact that he's racist. Makes me wonder tho, do you think Burzum would be less controversial if Varg wasn't racist but did all the other things?
@@eeeeee-u6q considering how uncontroversial other criminal but not racist are, nobody would care if varg wasn't racist
He is a murderer, but also a nazi. People don’t like both believe it or not.
Jeff being a nonce wasn't on my 2024 bingo card that's for sure.
This "grooming scandal" turned out to be nothing. If you guys were expecting a To Catch a Predator type thing, youre gonna be disappointed. I know calling people out and public shaming is very cool now, but this "scandal" is all about nothing.
@@katshades I agree it might be for sure. That wasn’t really the point of the vid though. It was more a generalisation and a good reason to put out my views on such things
@Altars_of_Mattness i agree with the overall.point of the video. I was going to make a similar video on this subject. I have no idea why so many people care so much about an artists political opinions, or are willing to hate them forever for something "inappropriate"
@ I get it, like it’s a rough subject because it’s inherently wrong. As a person, fuck him if he has done the things that have been alleged, however musically, I don’t look for this stuff, because that’s his problem, and they’re his consequences. The music is separate entirely for me. His personal life is not even remotely my concern
@Altars_of_Mattness back to Jeff. take a look at the chats and the voice messages. I was like "that's it?????"
@ If that’s a minor and he knew it, that’s weird, regardless of which way you look at it (again, assuming that’s all real)
I mean I love metal but glorify darkness long enough don’t be shocked when the one singing evils praises themselves are evil.That being said I did respect Jeff and I hope these turn out to be just unfounded allegations like it was with Dave Ellison (yes I know Dave still jerked his stick but he wasn’t a ped )
The people that do research about shit that people do in their personal life before they listen to a band have to much free time on their hands. Didn’t know about what jeff did and like you if true it sucks but it doesn’t affect me so whatever.
I hope he beats the allegations but the evidence doesn’t look good for Jeff if I’m being honest.
I will probably still listen to possessed but I can’t lie I will find it hard to not think about while listening to their records.
So what did Jeff do? Just say it man. Cant be worse than the guy from Sabaton, WASP, Manowar, and Lost Profits.
Definitely can't be worse than what Ian Watkins did🤢🤮. I'm not trying to trivialize any victims of the others mentioned but that guy has to take the cake is the absolute worst. Fucking guy had fantasies about raping babies🤢🤮
Varg is cool
@@wardochurchfan9166 Hahaha, erm, I’m not sure I agree, but his music certainly is
When I think of someone who's NOT cool, I think of Varg.
why’s that?
@@wardochurchfan9166 The dude who killed his bandmate (in "self defense"), is a total Nazi and white supremacist, has apparently funded extreme far-right terrorist groups, and has said that "metal culture is n*gger culture" and "I don't understand what the point with this metal subculture is".
Called my people (Spaniards) non European
Honestly, I think that guy is insanely cooked. So far, he hasn’t gave a proper apology and blocked all comments from his TikTok and latest Instagram post. This makes him look more guilty than he already is imho. Old (80s) Jeff is not the same as new Jeff anyways. The music is still very good, but as long as you can acknowledge that he’s a weirdo, then that’s fine.
I think he hasnt apologized because legally if he apologizes he admits to be guilty, so he probably hasnt in case he has to go to court i guess
@@marcosperez5828 True that. I know in a TikTok comment section somebody had asked him “When are you making an apology video”, and he replied with “Not gonna happen”. I’m sure he knows what he did was wrong but does not want to hold accountability for it. Childish behavior is a disease.
If you were to reserve your listening to bands whose members haven't done some pretty stupid things or comments, you'd be left with a tiny collection. I learnt to separate musician from their art a long time ago. I guess it probably started with Benton & Vikernes but there were/still are people in metal bands saying or doing some pretty stupid/condemnable stuff but their music stands independent to me. I will always enjoy "Seven Churches" and their other albums regardless if the allegations are true or not. Take it easy
What did Benton do other than being an asshole?
@@Trifixion22 - He called me and my fellow audience members "ding dongs".
@@fdsfsdfsd1552 He called me "pretty fucking ugly" and another person "you're damn sure ugly." Shame on him, lol.
I totally agree with you
Is there a difference between still being able to enjoy/listen to an album vs. actively supporting a musician?
It's already owning the album or buying second hand (eBay, Discogs, etc.) *vs.* buying their music on their website, paying to see them perform live, etc.
Has nothing to do with his music. You think Lemmy never did some questionable shit?
@@BarBarian-sy5xz Never! Not once!
@@Altars_of_Mattness lmao Motorhead literally has a song called Jailbait. At least now we know you trendy influencers know nothing about metal 😂😂
@@megatedassaultituary6783 I’ve never even heard of Motorhead
@@Altars_of_Mattness ahh so it was supposed to be an attempt at sakrassm? to prove what exactly?
@@megatedassaultituary6783 It wasn’t an attempt, it literally was sarcasm. To prove nothing, ‘Twas some harmless, throwaway sarcasm to keep you on your toes.
I still listen to boy george
@@ivanooze8500 I’m sorry to hear that!
@Altars_of_Mattness do you realy want to hurt me 😥
@ Hahaha I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist
@@ivanooze8500lol
@@ivanooze8500 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I like that Disecttion albums although I know the story,the music is great
We'll find out for sure if he ever appears in a Gordon Flowers, Colorado Ped Patrol, Skeeter Jean, etc video as those mentioned travel across the country.
satanists have the worst karma..and they never figure that out..
@@brianmoudry5066 Ugggghhhhh
Thats scummy, i still dig their sound but holy shit
Manowar, Sabaton, WASP, Judas Priest, Lost Profits, Motley Crue, Cynic, and now Possessed? Whats going on with heavy metal, whys it filled with sleazeballs?
What's up with Cynic? I'm a bit out of the loop brah
Yeah, concerning CYNIC, other than the obvious homosexual preference of original drummer Reinhert (RIP) and whatever other member that was in the band....WHAT ARE you referring to with CYNIC?.....🤔.....
Were you born after the 90s or something? The whole appeal of being in a band for most young men was groupies. David Bowie, all the members of Led Zeppelin, etc. slept with girls this age. Doesn't make it right, but it's not some shocker either.
I'm confused by the inclusion of Sabaton. Given that Sunden wasn't in the band and was instead in Civil War.
@@jamescon55What does the Cynic drummer being gay have to do with anything?
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Yeah, she's eligible for driving license, but spicy texting is too much? Women and schrodinger's accountability
lostprophets: just listened bc i’m curious. boring
Varg isn't a piece of shit... say that to his face
@@teamenemy. I’ve seen his karate, I wouldn’t dare
Typical Burzum “tough boy” stans be like:
@@cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245🤡
Stinky
whos this guy?
You haven't worked that out from the video??
@GordonHeaney and who are you?
Some random guy with a TH-cam channel.
Im sorry, what's the problem here?? He sent texts to HS girls? 😂😂😂 i use to wish I could chat with him when I was a teenage girl in the 90s.
@@aggyd9207 Are you okay?