Sir Georg Solti - Elgar: Enigma Variation IX 'Nimrod'

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  • @iliagueorguieviliev5047
    @iliagueorguieviliev5047 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ники,здравей!! Чудесна партитура........Елгар!!Енигма!!!Да живее музиката!!!

  • @kyung-wonlim273
    @kyung-wonlim273 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you so much for sharing.

  • @NicholasWingComposer
    @NicholasWingComposer 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Happy Birthday, Sir Edward Elgar. May God forever bless your memory and musical legacy...

  • @viviviccello
    @viviviccello 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    My heart is broken every time when I listen this music...

  • @shalicgraw5280
    @shalicgraw5280 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    2:45 -end is a brilliant interpretation. And the brief pause/cut-off just before the final statement is breathtaking.

  • @JPWorld100
    @JPWorld100 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nobody gets anywhere near this class of conducting of Nimrod - it is totally and utterly wonderful, so very uplifting . Brings up goosebumps every time and Sir George is superlative - unquestionably without equal.

    • @scabbycatcat4202
      @scabbycatcat4202 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The real master of this piece is Sir Adrian Boult with the london PHILHARMONIC ( not to be confused with his other recording with the LSO )
      No one, repeat No one brings such a powerful climax to the piece as Sir Adrian. I have studied literaly dozens.

  • @redpoemsformywife9945
    @redpoemsformywife9945 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is the best tempo I have heard on TH-cam. The others lose the idea of A Melody in very very largo passages.

  • @PamBurnard1
    @PamBurnard1 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Simply sublime

  • @DAVEBLISS2007
    @DAVEBLISS2007 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Solti is my favorite conductor does a great job here with Elgar's emotionally Nimrod. Beautifully crafted and captures all the splendor of this great orchestra.

    • @texleeger8973
      @texleeger8973 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's mine too. Ever since I saw him live with the CSO in 1971. Two different concerts on two successive nights in Spaulding Auditorium, Dartmouth College. One of a long life's endearing and forever memories.

  • @jaegertiger384
    @jaegertiger384 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    BRASS is what makes this piece... from 2:54 to 3:15... it is like a Wagnerian phrase that portrays the POWER Elgar brought to the fore.

  • @rk41gator
    @rk41gator 8 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Tempo. One of the reasons it is called an interpretation, art is not static. This is wonderful and dramatic, as is Chicago Symphony's performance with Daniel Barenboim. There is no 'correct' way to play any composition. It is in the eye of the artist.

    • @SamHodkin23
      @SamHodkin23 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'll second this in terms of a "correct" way. Some would call Bernstein's rendition painfully slow, others would class any done by Sir John Barbrilli (personal favourite) as neck-breakingly fast, but both have their merits.

    • @edwardnah6739
      @edwardnah6739 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like this interpretation as this show very good phrasing.

  • @angelosilva4051
    @angelosilva4051 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Edward Elgar GENIO SUBLIME E MERAVIGLIOSO
    Grande Sir Georg Solti

  • @WagnerMahler
    @WagnerMahler 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think it is a noble rendition, and as usual: beautiful phrasing by Solti...

  • @loeve1
    @loeve1 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful

  • @ekaterinapupynina8543
    @ekaterinapupynina8543 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tres bien!!!

  • @bornagain841
    @bornagain841 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I heard the BU youth orchestra play the Enigma Variations last summer at the Tanglewood Institute in Lenox last summer. They sound professional.

  • @dorothysurry1368
    @dorothysurry1368 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    😢😢😢every time I hear Nimrod.

  • @AngloSaxonVanguard
    @AngloSaxonVanguard 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the best rendition i have heard is Barenboim in 1997 in Chicago utter perfection .

    • @thunderc45
      @thunderc45 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed. I think this lot were looking to catch the Indian before it shut.

  • @soccerhawkins
    @soccerhawkins 12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    before 1939 war and just after, we had a 78rpm of Elgar conducting this..it was almost worn off the bakelite...I often wonder is there such a recording on some museum somewhere? Elgar' dynamics, and speed ...have not heard anything liketht...

    • @TwoHelmetsDC
      @TwoHelmetsDC 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/kaPtKoL-FsM/w-d-xo.html
      at 12'

  • @TheStockwell
    @TheStockwell 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes. Elgar loved recording. EMI put out a box set of his recordings. Nine CDs worth. Amazon sells them. Do a search for "The Elgar Edition: The Complete Electrical Recordings of Sir Edward Elgar" and there you are. 30 to 50 dollars, depending on your preference. Incredible performances.

  • @joseluisfernandezfreije1092
    @joseluisfernandezfreije1092 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    maravilloso

  • @adamdriver1016
    @adamdriver1016 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    England. A peoples whose history is the world's. England. England England.
    Our nation.

  • @ericnk58
    @ericnk58 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is the most perfect, sublime rendering of the "Nimrod" variation. Solti was the heir to Toscanini.

    • @ericnk58
      @ericnk58 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Western Shipway Well, I guess we'll just agree to disagree. Ta-ta.

  • @ivanhorvath
    @ivanhorvath 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    yes! you're 100% right!

  • @vincentlauria7857
    @vincentlauria7857 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I also agree this is just too fast, much prefer Barenboim and Chicago philharmonic version. This goes too fast to appreciate the way the notes flow into each other. It's the equivalent of choking down a beautiful chocolate brownie with a dollop of vanilla ice cream on top as if the restaurant is about to close - each mouthful should be savoured!

    • @smudger671
      @smudger671 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interestingly, this is fairly close to Elgar's own version, which is even faster!

  • @return2earthvideochannel
    @return2earthvideochannel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Listen at around 2.35, it suddenly speeds up and each phrase follows the previous one too quickly rather than allowing the music to breath and flow correctly. Surprised that so many comments don't mention this.

    • @Starglance
      @Starglance 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's why I don't like this version

  • @pukunu1
    @pukunu1 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I find it plainly stated at this tempo, not sucked in to long drawn out theatrics, and all the more for it.

  • @billstamford1043
    @billstamford1043 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have your own views and perhaps stand with others of a like view but this performance is the Real Thing -
    Par Excelance

  • @leoncioviolin
    @leoncioviolin 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PRECIOSO

  • @robertpalmer1435
    @robertpalmer1435 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Solti is closest to Elgar's tempo available here on TH-cam. Even a little slower, I think.

    • @smudger671
      @smudger671 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely! It doesn't need to be played like a dirge.

  • @bobchambers6191
    @bobchambers6191 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I believe there is an error in the description: I'm fairly confident that the recording date is wrong, as my late father was Principal Viola in 1975 (the stated recording date) yet does not appear in the video clip. On checking the DVD info on ICA's website (icaclassics.com/releases/sir-georg-solti) I noticed that there it is given as 1979, by which time my Dad had moved to the Philharmonia.

  • @teamcori
    @teamcori 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im playing this in a orchestra the performing at the barbican

  • @OoOWachimaOoO
    @OoOWachimaOoO 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    30 + grammy awards!

  • @Euphman
    @Euphman 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'll preface this by saying I'm a huge fan of Solti's recordings. The tempo was a little bright overall for my taste, but excellent performance nonetheless.

  • @laurajuliethope
    @laurajuliethope 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can never think of this piece as beautiful because NIMROD makes me think DIP-WAD.

  • @sadisticweasel123
    @sadisticweasel123 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    His conducting towards the end makes me laugh every time.

  • @billstrzempek7045
    @billstrzempek7045 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    speedy. He must have had a train to catch.

  • @return2earthvideochannel
    @return2earthvideochannel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For the 'ultimate' performance listen to this majestic recording by Leopold Stokowski. th-cam.com/video/6lQLyaiMieU/w-d-xo.html 'Stoko' really understood Elgar.

  • @grandisdavid
    @grandisdavid 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a huge respect for Solti but where the heck is the beat at 3:06? There are so many gestures!

    • @NicholasWarnertheFirst
      @NicholasWarnertheFirst 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tsk!

    • @wwdunc
      @wwdunc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Though Sir Georg’s conducting style could be rather unconventional, his beat is clear. I can follow it, and, obviously, so could the orchestra. And that’s what matters-not how smooth and polished you appear to observers, but that the ensemble you conduct understands and can follow your directions.

    • @grandisdavid
      @grandisdavid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wwdunc I love Solti but I've heard from many players who worked under him that it was indeed not clear at all.

    • @wwdunc
      @wwdunc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really? That’s interesting. Were these members of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra?
      At any rate, I’ve made my living for years as an accompanist (pianist and organist, in both church and academic settings), and I’ve had to follow all sorts of conductors-experienced, inexperienced, clear and precise, unclear and confusing, etc.-and I’ve done some conducting myself (I’m a music educator). Though he had a lot of extraneous, idiosyncratic gestures, I think Solti’s beat was quite clear. It’s in the tip of his baton.

    • @grandisdavid
      @grandisdavid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wwdunc well, I'm a professional conductor and I really don't think "clear" is an adjective that can describe his conducting. The friends I mentioned were in the Orchestre de Paris, Chicago and one was with London Philharmonic. All seemed to agree that it was difficult to follow and yet it worked. The same can be said of Munch in a very different style.

  • @violinhunter2
    @violinhunter2 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With all due respect for the LPO musicians and Solti - the climax is in the wrong place. Most conductors (99 out of 100?) place the climax in the wrong place. One usually does not notice because that's what we have become accustomed to. Compare this (or any other TH-cam performance) to the one by the Warsaw Philharmonic and you will (I hope) notice the difference.

    • @violinhunter2
      @violinhunter2 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The climax begins to build from about 2:57

    • @violinhunter2
      @violinhunter2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Alex Mack In this video, at 3:03 and 3:04 the timpany virtually disappears..... and does not crescendo again until 3:07. It leaves the brass to sustain the momentum and it loses a lot by that - it just leaves a gaping "hole." In the Warsaw version, the timpany keeps the crescendo going while the brass actually drops the volume down and then picks up again. It is a triumph of imagination - a very clever use of the timpani roll. I actually don't know what the score calls for but if it is contrary to what the Warsaw conductor does, then the score is wrong.

    • @violinhunter2
      @violinhunter2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      By the way, Warsaw has one of the best concertmasters in the world - second to none - in Maria Machowska.

  • @scabycat
    @scabycat 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @garryph I found ur comments about Elgars 2nd symphony conducted by solti very interesting. I have a recording of him with the LPO and its an absolute car crash of a performance!!! The whole symphony is played at absolute break neck speed - almost as if " lets just get this over with as quickly as possible. I'm afraid EVERYTHING I have ever listened to by solti has been a huge disapointment- Nimrod included

  • @TheFortissimo1
    @TheFortissimo1 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gorgeous conducting, but a bit rushed for my taste

  • @thipwadeeingkasampan7915
    @thipwadeeingkasampan7915 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    S

  • @mark-shane
    @mark-shane ปีที่แล้ว

    still played too slow .. listen to elgar's own recording

  • @peterfeltham5612
    @peterfeltham5612 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some say too fast....some say too slow...just shut up and enjoy.

  • @return2earthvideochannel
    @return2earthvideochannel 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Listen from about 1 minute 18. Every other chord is rushed - the second phrase being played too quickly after the previous one. The timing is horrible, very 'wooden', no feeling from the orchestra. For the 'ultimate' interpretation, go and listen to Leopold Stokowski, he measures the tempo and phrasing perfectly.

    • @xtrahandz
      @xtrahandz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Too rushed for my taste. Prefer Colin Davis and the London Philharmonic Orchestra.

  • @effemess
    @effemess 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Much to fast!

    • @return2earthvideochannel
      @return2earthvideochannel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes you are correct - a very wooden performance, I cannot listen to it.

  • @ivanhorvath
    @ivanhorvath 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Berenboim with Chicago is better. Much.

  • @longordr
    @longordr 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    yes, rushed......

    • @andreyborisov
      @andreyborisov 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ah, for the love of God, why? We just got used to that cheesy VERYSLOWANDMEANINGFUL tradition that comes from nowhere.

    • @Nai61a
      @Nai61a 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      andreyborisov Agreed. And anyway, Solti understands brilliantly the need for ebb and flow in this movement, bringing out the climaxes magnificently. We Brits (in particular) have got used to milking the piece for sentiment and that's not always in the best taste in my view.

    • @gordonford9912
      @gordonford9912 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Legend has it Solti studied the composer's original notations with his usual obsessional passion and famed absolute confidence. I'm sure his conducting of the pieces precisely favored Elgar's notes concerning timing and were colored further by his own penchant for dynamics stemming from his operatic conducting? :smile: As for myself, at least with Variation IX, I tend to agree with the resulting performance. Stunning!

  • @Starglance
    @Starglance 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is played far too quick for my taste, it kills the true majesty of this masterpiece

    • @smudger671
      @smudger671 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is close to Elgar's own version and in fact may be a little slower!

  • @return2earthvideochannel
    @return2earthvideochannel 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    The changes of Tempo are distracting and self-indulgent - the conductor is not more important than Elgar... seems he forgot that on this occasion. Sadly, it is like a karaoke version!

  • @dieseldog00
    @dieseldog00 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Too fast. WAY too fast! Watch Barenboim and Rattle they set the correct tempo.

  • @MrDaiseymay
    @MrDaiseymay 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Personally---not my favourite performance, by a long way; and losing much emotional drama, by being too hurried.

  • @simonanicolettaofficial
    @simonanicolettaofficial 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very rushed indeed, loosing the sense of majesty, in my opinion