The 15 kv label threw me off for quite a while, and when I asked the vendors about input current information to verify the label they flunked the test. If 7.5 kv is adequate for some of my small work, then wide eyed I make the purchase. Thanks to you.
How about introducing ferrite (as a magnetic conductor), that can come within a thousandths of an inch from the workpiece? I’ve seen some handheld probes where this is used and it seems the very best option, unless it’s patented. If one wants an AC magnetically conductive material at 100Khz, this would fill the bill. Old school TV sets had ferrite transformers within their flyback units. It doesn’t have to be at 100Khz, it can be higher. This would introduce what is called the “skin effect” where only the outer layer of the metal gets heated. At lower frequencies, the effect is not as pronounced. Try going with EFD Induction company, they have a system using the ferrite cores.
How much distance do you allow between the coil and the object being heated? I am currently trying to make a coil around a graphite crucible. I made one that had about 3/16 of space between the coil and the crucible, but my machine (same one that you have) would stop heating after a few seconds. I switched to a larger diameter coil and it works again, but I feel it is too far away from the coil and it is not getting hot enough. Thanks for your help.
I really enjoyed your video . I am working on a project where I will have some 1/2" thick steel plate filled with 1 1/2" holes and I want to solder some 1/4" wall brass tubing into the holes , keeping the holes as close together as possible . The problem is to localize the heat , I envision a induction coil with just a single loop or at most two loops that are flattened , or maybe heating it from the inside . I really don't know the best way to try to do this.
A one or two loop coil on the outside should work. You can use tubing as small as 3/16", which would minimize the required space. Heating from the inside is problematic.
Awesome video! For very specialized coils I think 3d printing them in copper would work although more expensive then bending. But you could make some very rigth bend radii and are not constrained by bending at all.
Cool but not yet practical. But in a similar vein, Evan Blackstone (who has a great overview video: th-cam.com/video/GU6n488i2mI/w-d-xo.html) has 3d printed bending forms. At the extreme, you could even melt the plastic out much like I burn wood forms out of mine.
Thanks, great tips, interesting that the flow sensor is not in the coil line, never would have guessed that. Are you still liking the flex lead and finding it useful?
I do find the flex lead useful. It is awkward attaching it to the induction machine and then attaching a coil. But, it's less annoying than dragging out my oxy-acetylene so I don't regret having it.
Thanks for the videos. I had assumed (because I have an induction hotplate) that induction forges would only heat ferrous metals/metals that can be magnetic. But it looks like you heated copper tubing as well. Can you heat non-ferrous metals? Thank you!
That's a safety feature of the hotplate, not a limit of the technology. I can heat anything that conducts. I have soldered copper (as you saw). I've also used the induction heater to forge brass, copper and aluminum.
Eric, I am about to purchase a 15 kv machine and very much interested in coil making. I am, however, more interested in making a "coil extender" so that I can operate the heating elements remotely, say, 4 or 5 feet from the machine. I have a lot of special press that will require this. Have you had any experience with making an extender that will reach that long? Is it just a matter of just using very long tubing, perhaps flexible metal hose or something more. Will there be excessive dissipation of power over an extended length. Thanks.
Plate is trickier. Anything too large to fit in a loop of some shape will heat less efficiently. And with only about 2" of coil length, you can hit that size quickly. You're pretty much stuck with a flat coil. I do need to talk about how a flat coil works (the ones shaped like a stove top burner). That's definitely on my todo list.
Instead of guessing, perhaps measure the inductance. They sell low cost meters to measure the inductance of a choke / coil. I use one all the time for radio work. The number of turms, diameter and how far apart they are. You can also change an existing coil by merely pushing the coils closer together or further apart. These machines are often made to switch at no load. It uses that coil to achieve this.
I have one, but it doesn't seem to give very useful results. A better meter might help, but the tricky part is that the inductance changes enormously when metal is inserted into the coil for heating (and it changes further as the metal heats, esp after the austenite phase transition). I'd at least need to measure it with various types of stock inserted and that's complicated by the fact that forging will be changing the metal each heat...
hi is it possible to melt stainless steel with LH-15a induction heater ?? i was thinking to maybe put inside small crucible and 10-20 grams of ss wire and to use melted ss with hammer mould
Some things that I have found - if you fill the tubing with water and put it in the freezer you can form the tubing without worrying about collapsing at corners. Another option for converting from metric to standard is to braze the metric nut onto a standard fitting, instead of using tubing to connect the two (basically making the same type of converter you have). Thanks for the video.
Good ideas! I have also considered salt or sugar as internal support for bending tubing, but never tried. Sand would work as well, but could be a pain to remove unlike salt or sugar which would dissolve in water.
I have greatly enjoyed your videos. Your comments on matching the coil to the work is right on the money. The problem is that while using flare nut connections for coils is fine for semi-permanent coil connection, it is a very poor choice for coils that must be frequently changed. Having worked with induction coils in the past, the first thing I did was to make very simple quick connections for my coils. Coils can then be changed without any tools in less than one minute, removing the tendency to live with a poorly matched coil. The quick connect removes all the issues that you frequently mention about metric flare nuts and tubing sizes as well as wear on the fittings. I would send you some photos, but this forum provides no method. On a separate topic, coil shorting from work contact can be eliminated by coating a regular fiberglass cloth sleeve with kiln wash made of finely divided Zirconium Silicate (Zircopax Plus) plus colloidal silica solution mixed to a creamy consistency. Unlike bare fiberglass sleeving, the coated sleeve is totally impervious to contact with work heated above forge weld Temperatures. At the end of the day when the hand gets shaky the liner is very beneficial. The sleeve is only about 0.01" thick allowing full use of the coil interior. Because of the extremely high infrared reflectivity of zirconium silicate, heat loss from the work piece is significantly reduced. An extended sleeve past the coils allows for work to be heated over a significantly longer length without thermal radiation cooling Keep on videoing
@@jimmyjohnson7241 You can find my contact info at www.saltforkcraftsmen.org/Contactus.shtm . I'd love to see pictures of your quick-connect setup. Perhaps I can feature them in a follow-up video?
Estimado .Tengo una maquina similar y quería fabricar una extensión flexible para las bobinas de tubos de cobre .Tiene idea de como fabricarlas? máxima extensión, materiales, etc. Gracias
See my reply on "Induction Blacksmithing: replace your torch with a flexible induction wand". As for maximum length, maybe 4 feet, but shorter is better for performance. Mine are 32 inches.
@@ejoftheanvil I apologize for the confusion, I should have been more specific. I was specifically asking if the load from the outlet ever exceeded 20A
@@H-D52 That's the 70 amps, which is why a 110V configuration is generally impractical. You can get 70A, but only by wiring directly to the supply with absurdly thick wires.
@@ejoftheanvil I went back and watched your 110v vs 220v video and it makes more sense now. Is there anyway you could do a comparison video of the 110v hookup with standard 20A circuit heating metal vs 220v?
@@H-D52 I may do that at some point. I'd need to wire up another cable to do that with mine. For now, I'll just describe the issues. Basically, full power is 7.5kW (the 15kW figure is a lie that I note in my video). 20A 110V gives you 2.2kW. So, 220V is 3.5x more power. The first issue is that the induction heater doesn't limit itself to 20A. You'd have to fiddle with the power output setting to find the point where you don't trip your 20A circuit breaker. It'd be somewhere about 30%. The second issue (and essence of your question) is heating time. It will take 3.5x longer to heat things. Consider 3/4" rod. That takes up to 60s from cold with my optimal coil for that size. So, 3 1/2 minutes. But, it'd be worse than that because the metal is losing heat. I'd guess it'd take over 5 minutes. (And would give you a bit over 30s of hammering time.) Worse, 3/4" is big enough that it might *never* get up to a good heat because heat loss is faster as it gets hotter and at some temperate you lose heat as fast as you add it. My guess: 1/2" could get to a welding heat, 3/4" to a good forging heat, and 1" only a low forging heat.
Is there any reason I can't just make my coils directly from 5/16, vs dropping down to 1/4 or 6mm? I am assuming they will still heat just fine, just can't bend as tight?
Definitely a good option. 5/16" will flare enough to use with 8mm flare nuts. My personal preference for 1/4" is that I can get it "anywhere". 5/16" is not something I can pick up at my local hardware store. (Tho it's much easier to get than 8mm.)
Hi, again! I have been banging my head against the wall trying to make an oblong coil to do wider stuff. Any tips, or better yet, do you make and sell coils, lol?
@@ejoftheanvil, Hi, again! I have been banging my head against the wall trying to make an oblong coil to do wider stuff. Any tips, or better yet, do you make and sell coils, lol?
@@MinionsSmithy Let me know a bit more about the issues you're experiencing. It's probably easier if you contact me directly as the comments here are not great for details. Look for my contact info on the Saltfork Craftsmen web site.
Is your machine wired for 220 volts. If this is the case, what is the size of your panel breaker? I have noticed that some rated 15kv heaters are really only 7.5 kv based on the input draw of the current. At 220 volts, 15 kv means about 63 amps i.e., volts x amps equals watts.
Yes. I have a 40A breaker. I used to have a 30A breaker, but the unit can draw enough to trip in in rare circumstances. It's 7.5 kW. Some 220 v units actually say 15 kW, but they're not. They are 15 kVA (maybe), but that's just a technicality that makes for a more impressive spec and doesn't really mean anything.
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Thank you, I am just starting to watch all your videos! I am considering an induction forge as I think about smithing kitchen knives.
very good video!!One question,would you mind telling me where you bought this induction heating mashine? thank you very much
The 15 kv label threw me off for quite a while, and when I asked the vendors about input current information to verify the label they flunked the test. If 7.5 kv is adequate for some of my small work, then wide eyed I make the purchase. Thanks to you.
Go for it. You'll find it adequate for all types of small work.
How about introducing ferrite (as a magnetic conductor), that can come within a thousandths of an inch from the workpiece?
I’ve seen some handheld probes where this is used and it seems the very best option, unless it’s patented. If one wants an AC magnetically conductive material at 100Khz, this would fill the bill. Old school TV sets had ferrite transformers within their flyback units.
It doesn’t have to be at 100Khz, it can be higher. This would introduce what is called the “skin effect” where only the outer layer of the metal gets heated. At lower frequencies, the effect is not as pronounced.
Try going with EFD Induction company, they have a system using the ferrite cores.
How much distance do you allow between the coil and the object being heated? I am currently trying to make a coil around a graphite crucible. I made one that had about 3/16 of space between the coil and the crucible, but my machine (same one that you have) would stop heating after a few seconds. I switched to a larger diameter coil and it works again, but I feel it is too far away from the coil and it is not getting hot enough. Thanks for your help.
I really enjoyed your video . I am working on a project where I will have some 1/2" thick steel plate filled with 1 1/2" holes and I want to solder some 1/4" wall brass tubing into the holes , keeping the holes as close together as possible . The problem is to localize the heat , I envision a induction coil with just a single loop or at most two loops that are flattened , or maybe heating it from the inside . I really don't know the best way to try to do this.
A one or two loop coil on the outside should work. You can use tubing as small as 3/16", which would minimize the required space. Heating from the inside is problematic.
@@ejoftheanvil Thank you , that saved me from trying inside heating.
Awesome video! For very specialized coils I think 3d printing them in copper would work although more expensive then bending. But you could make some very rigth bend radii and are not constrained by bending at all.
Cool but not yet practical. But in a similar vein, Evan Blackstone (who has a great overview video: th-cam.com/video/GU6n488i2mI/w-d-xo.html) has 3d printed bending forms. At the extreme, you could even melt the plastic out much like I burn wood forms out of mine.
Thanks, great tips, interesting that the flow sensor is not in the coil line, never would have guessed that. Are you still liking the flex lead and finding it useful?
I do find the flex lead useful. It is awkward attaching it to the induction machine and then attaching a coil. But, it's less annoying than dragging out my oxy-acetylene so I don't regret having it.
Thanks for the videos. I had assumed (because I have an induction hotplate) that induction forges would only heat ferrous metals/metals that can be magnetic. But it looks like you heated copper tubing as well. Can you heat non-ferrous metals? Thank you!
That's a safety feature of the hotplate, not a limit of the technology. I can heat anything that conducts. I have soldered copper (as you saw). I've also used the induction heater to forge brass, copper and aluminum.
@@ejoftheanvil Thank you for the clarification!
Eric, I am about to purchase a 15 kv machine and very much interested in coil making. I am, however, more interested in making a "coil extender" so that I can operate the heating elements remotely, say, 4 or 5 feet from the machine. I have a lot of special press that will require this. Have you had any experience with making an extender that will reach that long? Is it just a matter of just using very long tubing, perhaps flexible metal hose or something more. Will there be excessive dissipation of power over an extended length. Thanks.
Yes, see this video: th-cam.com/video/KDkcZ3UpDvI/w-d-xo.html . It's not quite that long, but it could be and still be viable.
I would love to see any thoughts re working plate and the usefullness of induction forges therin.
Plate is trickier. Anything too large to fit in a loop of some shape will heat less efficiently. And with only about 2" of coil length, you can hit that size quickly. You're pretty much stuck with a flat coil. I do need to talk about how a flat coil works (the ones shaped like a stove top burner). That's definitely on my todo list.
@@ejoftheanvil I know quite a few armourers who would be very interested in watching such a video :)
One more question- have you done a video with the flat coil?
he has! th-cam.com/video/xEdp4ULeK_4/w-d-xo.html
Instead of guessing, perhaps measure the inductance. They sell low cost meters to measure the inductance of a choke / coil. I use one all the time for radio work.
The number of turms, diameter and how far apart they are. You can also change an existing coil by merely pushing the coils closer together or further apart. These machines are often made to switch at no load. It uses that coil to achieve this.
I have one, but it doesn't seem to give very useful results. A better meter might help, but the tricky part is that the inductance changes enormously when metal is inserted into the coil for heating (and it changes further as the metal heats, esp after the austenite phase transition). I'd at least need to measure it with various types of stock inserted and that's complicated by the fact that forging will be changing the metal each heat...
hi is it possible to melt stainless steel with LH-15a induction heater ?? i was thinking to maybe put inside small crucible and 10-20 grams of ss wire and to use melted ss with hammer mould
The documentation says "no". I suspect it's possible. Steel melts at a high temperature which would require special consideration.
Great information, thank you!
Some things that I have found - if you fill the tubing with water and put it in the freezer you can form the tubing without worrying about collapsing at corners.
Another option for converting from metric to standard is to braze the metric nut onto a standard fitting, instead of using tubing to connect the two (basically making the same type of converter you have).
Thanks for the video.
Good ideas! I have also considered salt or sugar as internal support for bending tubing, but never tried. Sand would work as well, but could be a pain to remove unlike salt or sugar which would dissolve in water.
@@ejoftheanvil I'll have to try the salt, that is a good idea. If that works it will be great to not have to plan ahead. Thanks again.
I have greatly enjoyed your videos.
Your comments on matching the coil to the work is right on the money. The problem is that while using flare nut connections for coils is fine for semi-permanent coil connection, it is a very poor choice for coils that must be frequently changed.
Having worked with induction coils in the past, the first thing I did was to make very simple quick connections for my coils. Coils can then be changed without any tools in less than one minute, removing the tendency to live with a poorly matched coil. The quick connect removes all the issues that you frequently mention about metric flare nuts and tubing sizes as well as wear on the fittings. I would send you some photos, but this forum provides no method.
On a separate topic, coil shorting from work contact can be eliminated by coating a regular fiberglass cloth sleeve with kiln wash made of finely divided Zirconium Silicate (Zircopax Plus) plus colloidal silica solution mixed to a creamy consistency. Unlike bare fiberglass sleeving, the coated sleeve is totally impervious to contact with work heated above forge weld Temperatures. At the end of the day when the hand gets shaky the liner is very beneficial. The sleeve is only about 0.01" thick allowing full use of the coil interior.
Because of the extremely high infrared reflectivity of zirconium silicate, heat loss from the work piece is significantly reduced. An extended sleeve past the coils allows for work to be heated over a significantly longer length without thermal radiation cooling
Keep on videoing
@@jimmyjohnson7241 You can find my contact info at www.saltforkcraftsmen.org/Contactus.shtm . I'd love to see pictures of your quick-connect setup. Perhaps I can feature them in a follow-up video?
Estimado .Tengo una maquina similar y quería fabricar una extensión flexible para las bobinas de tubos de cobre .Tiene idea de como fabricarlas? máxima extensión, materiales, etc. Gracias
See my reply on "Induction Blacksmithing: replace your torch with a flexible induction wand". As for maximum length, maybe 4 feet, but shorter is better for performance. Mine are 32 inches.
Hi! How much current does the LH-15a draw while in the 110V configuration? Thanks in advance!
Up to 70 amps
@@ejoftheanvil I apologize for the confusion, I should have been more specific. I was specifically asking if the load from the outlet ever exceeded 20A
@@H-D52 That's the 70 amps, which is why a 110V configuration is generally impractical. You can get 70A, but only by wiring directly to the supply with absurdly thick wires.
@@ejoftheanvil I went back and watched your 110v vs 220v video and it makes more sense now. Is there anyway you could do a comparison video of the 110v hookup with standard 20A circuit heating metal vs 220v?
@@H-D52 I may do that at some point. I'd need to wire up another cable to do that with mine. For now, I'll just describe the issues.
Basically, full power is 7.5kW (the 15kW figure is a lie that I note in my video). 20A 110V gives you 2.2kW. So, 220V is 3.5x more power.
The first issue is that the induction heater doesn't limit itself to 20A. You'd have to fiddle with the power output setting to find the point where you don't trip your 20A circuit breaker. It'd be somewhere about 30%.
The second issue (and essence of your question) is heating time. It will take 3.5x longer to heat things. Consider 3/4" rod. That takes up to 60s from cold with my optimal coil for that size. So, 3 1/2 minutes. But, it'd be worse than that because the metal is losing heat. I'd guess it'd take over 5 minutes. (And would give you a bit over 30s of hammering time.) Worse, 3/4" is big enough that it might *never* get up to a good heat because heat loss is faster as it gets hotter and at some temperate you lose heat as fast as you add it. My guess: 1/2" could get to a welding heat, 3/4" to a good forging heat, and 1" only a low forging heat.
Have you tried a circular ring with a diameter of 70 cm and please give me information or explain the topic through a video? Thank you.
You could do a 2 loop coil that big. Depending on what you heat, you *might* be able to do 3 loops.
@@ejoftheanvil thank you
Is there any reason I can't just make my coils directly from 5/16, vs dropping down to 1/4 or 6mm? I am assuming they will still heat just fine, just can't bend as tight?
Definitely a good option. 5/16" will flare enough to use with 8mm flare nuts. My personal preference for 1/4" is that I can get it "anywhere". 5/16" is not something I can pick up at my local hardware store. (Tho it's much easier to get than 8mm.)
@@ejoftheanvil, thanks for the quick feedback! I have multiple 8mm flare fittings, and my local hardware store actually had 5/16 copper pipe!
Hi, again! I have been banging my head against the wall trying to make an oblong coil to do wider stuff. Any tips, or better yet, do you make and sell coils, lol?
@@ejoftheanvil, Hi, again! I have been banging my head against the wall trying to make an oblong coil to do wider stuff. Any tips, or better yet, do you make and sell coils, lol?
@@MinionsSmithy Let me know a bit more about the issues you're experiencing. It's probably easier if you contact me directly as the comments here are not great for details. Look for my contact info on the Saltfork Craftsmen web site.
Is your machine wired for 220 volts. If this is the case, what is the size of your panel breaker? I have noticed that some rated 15kv heaters are really only 7.5 kv based on the input draw of the current. At 220 volts, 15 kv means about 63 amps i.e., volts x amps equals watts.
Yes. I have a 40A breaker. I used to have a 30A breaker, but the unit can draw enough to trip in in rare circumstances.
It's 7.5 kW. Some 220 v units actually say 15 kW, but they're not. They are 15 kVA (maybe), but that's just a technicality that makes for a more impressive spec and doesn't really mean anything.
one question will a one loop work
Yes. The coil I forgot to show is a single long and narrow loop that I made for heat treating the cutting edge of a draw knife.
Can I make induction out of a induction hot plate easy anough
I think that would be hard. Further, a hot plate is usually 1800W instead of 7500W. So, even if it worked it wouldn't be very effective.
Mc Master Carr will probably have your adapters.
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Can you make coils and sell them to me?
I'm not really set up to do that.
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